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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Boom Episode eleven Dad Pod. Uh, for the first time
on Dad Pod, we got a mom. We got Winnie
Brumsickle mom extraordinary artist, business woman, CrossFit or I was
gonna say professional, but CrossFit enthusiast.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all around great person.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I had to get on the pod.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, damn yeah. So yeah we're here.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Uh, Winnie and keV have a the Artist Studio tour
coming up first weekend of June.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
This Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, this Saturday.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
It's always the first full weekend in June.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, this was it Friday, Saturday Sunday or just Saturday Sunday.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
Well last week last weekend, there was one day in June.
So this weekend there's two days on the weekend, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So Saturday Sunday, like.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Last weekend, Sunday the first, but that wasn't a full
weekend injin got you. That's a plug for that day forever.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
More for studio too.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I got an echo on my on my earphones in there.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah. Is that what I called reverb?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, So we just wanted to Mainly I wanted to
get you on the pod because I think you're such
a wonderful person. I enjoyed talking to you. You have
been such a blessing in my life and my family's life,
not even just with the whole art thing and the
studio tour, but just withies, Yeah, with my babies and
(01:40):
with my wife. It's just like it's been a really
great pleasure to meet you and get to know you
and your family. And the studio tour is one of
those things that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I had no idea about.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Really until until it all kind of like happened, and
then I just I'm curious and wanting to know, like
with both of your guys' experience living on the.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Island and be an artist on the island for some time,
Like what is it?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah? Like what? And like yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
For you guys know how it started or like who
started it or how the tour started.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Yeah, I don't know how the tour started. I sort
of hopped on when.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I think the first time I was on the tour
was in twenty seventeen. I was at Laura Bauer's studio.
She's an awesome painter, but she moved. Yeah, Cloud Oaks
in the Infinite Cloud Oaks. Yeah, and Laura and I
we slayed.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, cloud Cloud is cool. She moved away a few
years ago.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Right, she started the Art Hive in Prescott. It spelled Prescott,
but it's Prescott, Prescott, Prescott and it's a like a
gajillion square foot space and it has something like twenty
plus studios in it and a wait list.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Nice. Yeah, and you're in there, right.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Well, I took a studio for a week and I
painted some stuff. Yeah, and then they had a show.
I don't remember if it's the fourth Friday or the
first Friday, but they have one thousand people that come
to their first or fourth Friday. Wow. Thousand. Yeah. I
mean it's almost like they have to decide if they
want to keep doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I don't know if it was just an opening or
a show that you know, there's the demographics to support it.
It's tricky.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, we're growing our first Friday steadily slow burn.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah. I'm not sure how the studio tour started either.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I do remember when I first started clocking that, it
was like, oh, there's signs all over the island. There's
you know, there's people coming and driving to it, and
you know, they start putting out maps and the social
media is a lot more busy now about it.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
And there's so many artists.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
There's twenty two is that right, Yeah, twenty two studios
and like sixty one artists or something.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, yeah, which is awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I've long said that we should be an art destination
just as much as we are eco tourism.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Cool. And Kev's on the on the tour this year
at your studio.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, getting that, uh, that first taste of the art
the art world, which is yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Lot going on to it.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Well the art island, yeahah, the art island, not the
entire world, not the whole world.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But yeah, it's been fun to Yeah, it's kind of
sorted out and figure out like the hell's it's all about,
you know, and then having like a carrot to go
after to like force me to create art, you know,
because if you show up as like one thing, you're
kind of shipp in the bed on it where you know,
(04:57):
it's like you got you gotta kind of have have
like a few different things, and to do that you
have to like prioritize, you know, your time to actually
produce it. But it's been it's been fun, man, Like
I'm I'm excited about it for the for the reason
that I get to spend basically two entire days in
(05:18):
the sun. Yeah, thank god, creating art, doing art, talking
to people about art, like with my friends and family,
and watching.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Them respond to your work.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That part, I'm not Uh, that's the part where I
don't know it'll be interesting because I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I mean, why why trepidation in that regard.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I mean, I think with anything that you that you produce,
once you put it out there for the world, like
it's you get that feedback?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Did you put it out there for the world.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I will be you know, I will be starting this weekend,
you know, the people the world in a sense.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Of the people that want to come and to come
and see it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And support you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, it's like, I don't know, I think that that's
part of the deal. Like we've been talking about that book,
the War of Art Stephen Pressfield and the resistance of creating,
not even just artists, like anything in general, anything worth creating,
Like you're going to have that natural force to like
tell you.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No, you shouldn't do that, or you can just wait
to do that.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
The tyranny of the urgent.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, and then like, I don't know, it's been fun
to to kind of play with that, but then also
like actively work against it because it's like, yo, you
you have a thing now, like you have a deadline
that you have to produce this for it has to
be a certain way, which like I think I told
both of you guys, like separately, but just the the
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act of finishing a canvas to be like gallery ready
with the varnish and then like ties on the.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Little rope on the back and yeah, all that stuff,
like it's it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's fun to learn that and then realize I was like, yeah,
there really are like kind of levels to to.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
This, you know, but yeah, level one. Yeah, and I
shan't soon forget you texting me a picture of the receipt,
your receipt to the art tour and then f you.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah it was because it wasn't. I mean, originally it
was going to be like me and one of my sons, Ronan, Yeah,
who shout out Ronan. He got awarded. He's graduated in
high school in two weeks. He got awarded from his
art department, the Art department awards, so he gets a special.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Little cord for his cap.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
He got a little scholarship internship and a sweet little
video and yeah, it was going to be me and him,
but him not being a full time resident on the island.
I was like, well, I can't do that, and yeah,
then you asked me, You're like, well, do you want
to do it? You can and it's like, uh, sure,
you know, and then that was that.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But yeah, it'll be I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I'm looking forward to just the experience of it, you know,
never have been involved in something like this, but then
and then realizing that, like.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's a whole deal.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It's a thing.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's like a whole it's a whole thing that like
being a part of is fun, you know, like, and
I'm not, as some of you will know, I'm not
too keen on showing like work some progress and all
the internet and all the social media stuff. So if
you want to see it, come through Studio two. There's
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our shameless plug. And yeah, I just think that it'll
be it'll be fun to see who shows up.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
It's pretty funny lining you out for a to be
a guest artist because you were at first, thing, well
I'm just gonna put my stuff in the bushes, like okay, actually,
And at first I thought, well, people are actually coming
to see it, you maybe don't want to hide it.
And then I thought, oh no, that's a good idea.
(09:09):
That's kind of your jam, you know, just discover it
if you want.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, because that's like again coming from you know, a
graffiti background. Like that's the thing that I missed the
most about living in the city.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Was like all the art that like isn't supposed to
be where it is. Then all the art that's done by.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Graffiti writers that only graffiti writers see, Like you only
see it if you are walking on the street in
the alley, Like you have your your freeway shots, and
you have the things like that that.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You can see from a bus or a car.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But to actually be the one beaten feet through a city,
only graffiti writers are looking in like these certain little,
tiny little cut spots in little areas. And I thought
that idea of doing that on San Juan Island and
having people looking around the property kind of like you know,
(10:08):
geeking out like oh what does that you know, and
then walk over to it and check it out.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And then like oh shit, what does that over there?
You know? I think it would be fun. And then also, well.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
It's hidden, like you know, like your stuff is going
to be at my house. Yeah, it's a little bit hidden. Yeah,
I mean in Paris, sculptors hide their stuff on the
bottom side of benches, you know, they hide and glue
that out of stuff onto well to public spaces.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, you know, which is okay, which is I would
much rather see something that a human created.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It is a human. They're humans. They take their little
sculptures and they make them into tiles.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, and I would love to see that more than
I would like then I like seeing like a poster
for like PEPSI, you know what.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I mean, like where it's like I think it's a much.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Better use of negative space to have like something that
likes someone is producing. Like I'm putting this here because
I want to. I'm putting this here because I want
you to see it instead of like I paid one
thousand dollars to have this billboard right here for thirty days.
It's like fucking cool, But having an individual do it
(11:18):
is I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's what I've always been drawn to.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Yeah, that's what you guys do.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
With with art, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And then yeah, I don't know, it's kind of kind
of evolved over time, but it's always still just like
that I don't want to say fuck you mentality, but
just like we're just going to kind of do.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
This, you know, like this on your private property.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, like this is what we want to do. And
a lot of time it's not private property. You know,
in the there.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Are rules a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
There are rules every time, not every time, but there's
you know, for the most part, like that was I
don't know, I can only speak for like my sons
now that are still doing graffiti in the city, and
then me and my friends and we were doing it
in the city. Was like private property was like a
no go, you know, like somebody's fence or somebody's car
or somebody's house, like, no go.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
It was always like, oh, it's the city's property.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Whatever, man, Yeah, whatever, Well, what if tax dollars bucket
don't matter, Like there's no they have they have a
limitless bank account anyway, if they can, if they can
pay fifteen people one hundred plus thousand dollars a year
to figure out the homeless problem, and then the homeless
problem get worse, Like what's what is one hundred dollars
(12:31):
for a bucket of paint? You know when like yeah, yeah,
and then set like immaturely thinking like, oh, we're creating jobs,
you know, like that was as a kid, we're creating
jobs for these people.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I just watched a little clip about a dude
who goes around with a piece of chalk and draws
like beautiful mandala like geometric circle stuff, and he's like,
he's like, you know what, I choose to do it
at like dingy bus stops because the city won't put
any money into coming and cleaning up these busts. But
if I draw a mural or something on the ground,
then they send people over to spray it away and
(13:05):
clean it up, you know, and like so it really
just makes the bus stations cleaner. And he's like, I
don't know why they don't just clean him instead of
making sure they get rid of my art. But like,
you know, and that's that kind of culture jamming aspect
of street art is like we're in a system that's
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built around us that we didn't explicitly agree to and
we don't necessarily agree with.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So like if you.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Can add a little something in there to you know,
make people second glance or switch a little perspective, like
either on the scale of like Banksy where you're doing
these big political messages that people were like oh shit,
or you know, tiny little hidden sculptures or a little
geocash and USB sticks and like you know, all that
(13:53):
stuff is like creeps in the sidelines of like this
structure that we're supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Like, I would love to find a little sculpture, man.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I found one of the she's a glass artist here
on the island and she makes mushrooms out of glass.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Nixon is that's her name.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I don't know if you're talking about it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think that is that is her name I found.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I was up Finlessen and I was along one of
the little trails out there, and there was this little
glass mushroom, like perfectly placed where like at the base
of a tree where mushrooms would where mushrooms would grow.
And I remember looking at it. I was a little
stoned and I was like, man, is that fucking were real?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And I literally like went up and had to like
kind of flick it right because like, because like mushrooms
are like you know what I mean, like there. I
don't know about mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I just know that they come in every shape and
every color, Like some of the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And then I was like, oh, no dummies glass man.
But now it's like I remember searching out.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I was like, man, that is so cool, Like somebody
went there with a plan and had like a little
game that they were gonna play with somebody, and I
was the recipient of it, like I found this little
piece and now it's like, you know, I still have it,
and we have it in our little alloted plant like collection.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Well, my daughter and her friend we're forest fairy fairal
children and they would make little fairy lands Libby and
will see up in the woods.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know, all day and what a cool thing to
stumble upon if you're just walking her hiking.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, with little doors and little flower arrangements and yeah,
I don't know, they were busy cool.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, And that's that blending of those worlds of like.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Mundane.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
The way, even if we live in a gorgeous place
where you know, you step outside and you're in a
idyllic location, you're in a forest or on a beach,
like even in that setting, seeing something that's like that
slight touch of magic or whimsy is like this is
this is different? You know, it's like a little little
endorphed little double meane. Yeah, yeah, I kept back. I
(16:12):
don't know, probably I graduated high school two thousand and four,
so probably like two thousand and two, there was this
movement of hiding USB sticks around the city of like,
you know, you plug it in and you can get
like some videos or some art collection or some whatever.
And it was, you know, it was before social media,
(16:33):
so it was word of mouth. It was like you
kind of had to know to look for it, or
you would just stumble upon it, like somebody would remove
the facade of a brick and like put the USB
sticks sticking out of the wall and like put it
back on, you know. And just I've always loved little
things like that that don't have any purpose other than
(16:54):
that little adventure.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Ping, you know, entertainment value.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, and just that sense of like, oh I'm part
of something that under the radarch.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a special thing.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Wyn't you tell us, Winnie if you would, about like
what art has meant to you and your life and trajectory.
Have you always been artistically inclined? I know you've done
a lot of different mediums. You Yeah, what's your what
was art.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Mean to you?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
What does art mean? Oh? That's a big one. It's
my life. It's my entire life from childhood to today.
Like where should I start?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Childhood is great if there's like a maybe not necessarily
a moment, but the qualities that you remember that pieces
of art or literature or whatever enhanced your life to
the point where you're like, this is something that I
need to take part in and have around me. And
or if it was less conscious than that, and it
was just kind of the.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Definitely less conscious than that. You know, how you expose
a kid to something and it takes root and they
don't know that it took root, but it took root
and off we go. Yeah, So are you familiar with
the Northwest School of Art?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Yeah, So Kenneth Callahan, Hariichi Graves Anderson, all those guys
they formed the Northwest School of Art. And it was
a lot of mysticism and you know, landscapes with cliffs,
I don't know whatever and beaches and oh, my heart
just started to race because it's like there it is anyway.
(18:39):
So my parents, my mom mostly was friends with Kenneth
Callahan and so we would go down there all the time.
So we would go down to his studio and his
studio was just a fantasy he had. He had painted
all the walls with his birds and horses and you know,
all kinds of callahany things. And you know, my mom
(19:02):
would buy art and she would get DIBs on stuff,
and my sister has some and I have anyway, so
we just played like I don't know, you just you're
playing in some dude's studio and you don't know who
he is, but your mom likes him, and I'm hungry,
and you know, you're just running around and playing on
(19:23):
the beach. And he used to do paintings or drawings
on the beach below the wave line, and so he
would kind of like do that with my mom and
us kids and my dad somewhere I don't know, but
she's right next to him, right. And that was just
when that school was growing. Nobody really knew all about
(19:45):
the Northwest School, but it was really taking rude at
that time. And so, you know, I think I was
like six, seven, eight nine, you know, all the time
going down there, and then we didn't I remember one
time my dad wanted to get her a painting for
her birthday, but she was like the all knowing mommy
person and so he couldn't like get away, and so
(20:07):
my sister distracted him and he jumped in the car
and drove three hours down to Ocean Shores or Long
Beach or wherever I think Long Beach and three hours
back like somehow without my mom knowing, which was quite
a coupe really, and got her this painting. And I
(20:27):
remember like just hanging out outside of galleries all the time,
like I just didn't know what she was doing. And
one time, this guy we were at this antique store,
and a lot of antique stores in Seattle had paintings
too rite and I was, you know, I was probably
six or seven, and I'm running around and causing havoc
(20:50):
and they just want to talk about art or whatever
they're doing. And he gave me this box and he's like, here,
dig through this box. You can keep one thing. And
I'm like, oh, there it is. And so I spent
all this time digging around in this box and I
found this gold medalliony thing with a pearl in the middle.
It was a way to identify if you're Jewish. I guess,
(21:11):
I don't know, And I said, I found it. You know,
I got my thing, and my mom is looking at
me like there it is. And the guy goes, oh,
not that, not anything but that. You know, he didn't
know it was in there. And I don't know. I've
always had a kinship with my mom in that regard.
You know, I was the youngest. And so I was
(21:34):
telling Kevin about the Seattle Art Museum. You know, back then,
I'm a booser. I'm like an ex boomer or something.
But we just were really fairal like, we just ran around,
you know, if Mom had something to do at the museum,
we were like on our own, you know, like, don't
(21:54):
come in unless you're bleeding. And and so we would
just run around in Volunteer Park and they're you know,
climb on the sculptures, and climb on the camel, the
those two camel camels. You know, our butts shine those camels.
And now you can't even touch them. And I think
they put fake ones out there at Volunteer Park. It's
(22:16):
now the Asian Wow. Yeah, And so I think, okay,
I think Richard Fuller is who wrote my Asian Art textbook,
and that was my Auntie Lee's dad, and he was
a curator. If I'm not mistaken, it's rich it's Dick Fuller.
(22:39):
He was the curator for the Seattle Art Museum. So
the Seattle Art Museum was this little museum in Seattle,
and Seattle was like po donkey for a while and
until it wasn't. And he's in this museum, this fabulous
building at Volunteer Park, and he's like collecting Asian art.
So he'd find it, buy it with the budget the
board knew, and he'd stuff it in the basement. And
(23:01):
that's why we have the Seattle Asian Art Museums, because
the whole basement was stuffed with stuff that everybody wanted
come the seventies, you.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Know, And so he was just as a curator, you
just buy things you like, or you think that I
think they.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Were very inexpensive. I think these pieces were extremely inexpensive.
I think they were at the time there were op
ard I just went to the dentist opportunists who were,
you know, peddling, pedaling stuff to him. And then Asian
art became very popular. I mean, if you can imagine,
you know, like, don't you have some grandma or someone
(23:37):
in your life and their whole house was.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like, yes, Asian miner from the Midwest. So no, but
I can get it, like the vibe.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I don't like Asian art, so that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
But it's a broad I know, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Like it.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Let's see where was I.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I grew up Dick Fuller was, Yeah, that was a
relative of you. You grew up watching this.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I never met him. I mean I probably met him
and don't remember. And then at one point Andy Warhol
had a show that scooted through Seattle. He wasn't a
huge big deal yet, but his show was cool and
my mom loved it. She was a docent at the
Seattle Art Museum for fifteen years, so there was a
lot of time glemming on the camels.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And a dosin is someone who tours you around. Yeah,
they a museum or a gallery.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, they know all about the show, They know the
subtleties of the show, and they know about the artist.
I have no idea what she talked about, you know,
I'm sure. I'm sure there was an Asian room and
there was some contemporary stuff that she preferred, and I'm
sure the Northwest dudes went through there. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I was teeny, so was there a lot of like
did your mom do any kind of exposition or explaining
to you or did you just kind of this was
just the ocean that you swam through and like it
didn't require Like was she like art is this and
this is what it means to me and this is
what we're doing here? Or did you just kind of
(25:15):
tag along and see that it was her both lifeblood
and you know, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
When you're little, you just do what you're doing. You know,
you just do what you're told, and you do what
you're doing, and you know, like you don't put two
and two it together. But I think getting older, I
remember asking her, you know, and we traveled and stuff.
When I was like sixteen, we went to Paris and
picked up my sister. She was in Asia for a
long time. But I remember asking her, mom, why, why
(25:42):
what is up with this? Like who paints that? Why
is that like that? And I can't remember if it
was like a still life or it was some big
modern piece and I kind of was like blowing cover that.
I didn't get it, And I said, Mom, why is
that like that? Why who gives it? Child? About that?
(26:03):
I don't get it? And she said Whenny not everything
can be said with words, that has to be said
with paint. And it had to be said, it had
to be said by that guy. Wow. And she was
a little dismissive. You know, my mom was a tough nut.
But yeah, I think that was a turning point. Cool
(26:26):
and the first time, you know, the first time I
realized that I was an artist. So she didn't she
didn't shovel art supplies into our realm at all, Like
it's craons and if they're broken, we don't want to,
you know, like not at all. She didn't shovel paint
or art supply, you know, Like, I don't know. They
were busy doing their thing, my parents. And what did
(26:47):
I start doing? What was the first thing? I think
sewing was the first thing, and then and then I
just I have this mind that just drills down on
stuff really hard and obsesses about it. There's definitely an
obsession aspect to it. And so I started making leather handbags,
and then I became a perfumer, and then it started
(27:11):
to paint and now I'm making acrylic stuff. So like,
I don't know, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Did you always do art all through?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Because your children are older now they're out of the
house and they're older did you do art and create things?
I guess yeah, you created businesses and you created spaces.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I was really into making spaces, like designing interiors and
exteriors frankly.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
And we've done great fashion sense too. Is that something
that you've.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Always like aesthetically, have always been conscious of?
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I think yeah. I think as a young person, you know,
you get to be middle school, you're very self conscious, right,
you want what everybody else has. And I went to
school with some rich kids and they like had some stuff.
And I remember one time going, where did you get
that shirt? I really like that shirt? I thought, I'll
go get me that shirt and it was I shanned
(28:05):
to forgot. It was Cynthia Sandal and her dad owned
a whole bunch of restaurants. And she said, she looked
at me and she goes norths Trump and I'm like,
du oh, I've heard of it.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I'm gonna check it out. So I went down.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I went down there and I went to North Strum.
I was gonna get shirt.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I thought, you know what school did you go to?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Belby High?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Shout out?
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Yeah it wasn't as fans. Well anyway, whatever, I did
go to get that shirt and it was like twenty
nine dollars and I just like.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Oh, oh my god, my shirt.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I looked at her differently after that.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I was like, oh my god, there's that moment. I
remember in middle school, I went to Seattle Academy.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I went to SASS Yeah, which was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know, rich private school kid school, and that it
was Abercrombie and Fitch. Back then, you know, that was
that was what the cool kids were wearing.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Back to school.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Shopping came up and we went and my mom was like,
where do you want to go?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And I was like, Abercrombie and Fitch, I guess.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And we went over there and you know, ran through
the racks and she was like, there's simply no way
where no.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I was like, this is a no wardrobe from here.
One one pair of shorts and some Pokah shells.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Some for sure, the double polo with the pop collar.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And you know, I personally like, I'm going to insert
my opinion here and you didn't even ask. I think
that the way that someone appears is important because you know,
in Europe everybody knows this, right, but it's public domain.
What your what you wear in public is public domain.
(29:45):
Like that's what you're bringing to the table. And my
style is classic but popped up a little bit, you know.
So I'm a class I'm a classics girl. I like
jeans with their little like I don't know, yeah, they
might be torn up.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Something, just a little little flavor.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It's interesting to say that one of my sons is
like he thinks of fashion in that way, like he
looks at everything he wears as like a piece, as
like what he's going out into the world as not.
But public domain is art, and I remember, I'm I'm
not that I wear a T shirts and jim clothes
(30:28):
and maybe a pair of jeans like every single day.
And talking to him about that with art, it's fun
because I have no concept of that, like never in
my life has been come.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
To That's interesting too, because you do have that sense
of of art, you know. Like whereas my wife I
have these conversations with her like she's like, I think
fashion is stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I think it's a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I don't understand it at all, and she forgot that.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
She's going, well, she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
She doesn't know. I'm like, cool, you can put on
anything great, good for you. But then like she'll feel
the same way about art. She's like, I just don't
get it, you know, And I'm like, all right, you know,
like I'll give you a pass on if it's both.
You know, if you if you don't care about clothes,
that's what's one thing. But she does. She will have like, oh,
(31:22):
I know that I like this color. I know that
I like the feel of this fabric. And I'm like,
all right, So if you take the things that you
know that you like, whether it's something drapy or flowy,
or like the way something fits you or the fabric,
and like just pull together a couple things of that
give you those feelings, then like that's that's your wardrobe.
(31:45):
You know, that's your style. It's like you don't have
to think of it as like there's these rules of
fashion that I have to follow that.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
This and this.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I think maybe that overwhelms her, but I'm always like, man,
just find something that feels good for you to put on.
And yeah, yeah, I mean I rock crocks. I tried
hard for a long time and then I put some
on and I was like, damn it, they're so comfy.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, you know, it sounds like your wife is math science.
Steve's math science. You know, he would wear the exact
same thing every single solitary day if it was Okay,
I take that back, honey, I know, you.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Know, yeah, it's just different.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It is different brains and like different ways of calculating
what's and I and I try to tell.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Her the same thing. I'm like, like, man, I.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Think of fashion as a form of art and like
a way to present yourself. And like the way that
I present myself makes me feel a certain way and
like that helps me get through the day or or
whatever it might be, you know, or like I feel
more confident in this or that or whatever. And it's
you know, I'm there's no small bit of vantage. He
(33:00):
tied up in there too, you know, but like I like, yeah,
I like to make sure that I look put together
most of the time.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
And you know, you have a cool look. You have
a really cool look.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Whenever I see him out in the street, man, it's
like you got the whole thing going.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Well, you see me at the house, it's.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So you've always done art, You've always created even with
the littles. Are your kids in the art?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, so all three of them are good at it,
But will See's an artist. Well, Isaac is really good
at it. And I accidentally heard Tate saying one time
and it was really good, you know once. And he
also can draw. Isaac can draw. Isaac is a crafts person.
(33:52):
He works for window Craft. Tate is a very specific
kind of guy. And but will See has got the
street like she's the force is strong within her and
she so I did funnel art supplies to them. She's
the one who picked it up. But she taught herself
how to play guitar and sing. She taught herself that
(34:15):
we didn't we didn't even play music. She liked, you know.
And I remember her playing her guitar and it was
a source of comfort for her because she's dyslexic and
she'd play. Tate would go, why does she play the
same thing over and over? And it was like, Tate,
(34:36):
you take two hundred extra shots after lacrosse practice and
it's kind of similar.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But yeah, yeah, Willsie's she as far as singer songwriters go,
we have a real strong cohort on this Island, and
Wilsie is easily top three favorite for me. Her the
uniqueness of her voice, her I'm a lyrics.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
You know, I'm I'm a wordsmith, and uh yeah, just
the lyrics that she writes, the stories that she fits
into her original pieces.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Uh yeah, I'm a I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Does she do open mic?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
She did for a minute.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, she was a regular for a minute and then yea,
she takes She just started coming back after a good
maybe year off of open mics. She showed up a
few times recently, which has been great. She did one
of the first Waterworks concert series at the Old Spot.
(35:39):
I think she was the second one, Trinity was the first,
and it was just a beautiful night of you guys
were there. It was a it was a fantastic little concert,
little show, and uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Then she kind of like I was like, are you
gonna cut a record? Let's get you on the road, dude.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Like, let's like, you got enough work you could you
could you could record this and tour it if you wanted.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
She wrote songs in high school when she actually literally
would get love sick and you know, it's such a
tumultuous time and she would write these songs that just
with SOB and then later on I'd say, hey, well
can you sing that one song? She's like, oh, I
don't know. I don't I don't even know where it is.
(36:22):
I don't remember. And she's written songs for me that
she just she just like rips them off and kicks
them my way. Hy mom, I'm gonna send you a song, okay,
and I'm sobbing. I was in LA for a perfume
school gig and she had sent me this song I'm
(36:44):
Gonna Cry Now. And I listened to it every day
from the air to the studio where we were doing
perfume stuff, and it just kind of got me through
because I was down there by myself, and I think
it was one of the first trips I had made
by my elf after having kids, you know, I was
home for.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Like ten years, yeah, creating a home.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah. And she and she's like, oh you liked it.
I'm like, oh my god, it was the air I
breathe heard.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah. She pulls stuff out of her armpit like nobody's business,
clay music. She designed her own salon. Like when she
decided to open her salon, it was just game on
and I thought, I'll bring some snacks and some rags,
you know, when we were all setting it up and
(37:36):
she already had snacks and rags. What do you what
do you mean she already had her figure it out.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, she's also got a great aesthetic sense.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Absolutely. Yeah, she's stunning and fabulous. All all my kids
are stunning and fabulous.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
And they are all really good with small children. They
are like them.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
When we came over for the bonfire the other day, man,
it was like it was so cool to meet all
of the brumsickles and then their satellite, you know, significant others.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
And then I left there.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Talking with Sarah like, man, well they they notched up
you know in my book, because yeah, your kids are
just they're just great, Like they're so great and so
patient with you know, my little guys, and and like,
you know, man, they can they can be a little
rambunctious at times, you know. I mean they're little dudes, man,
(38:31):
they're six and four. And it was just so great
to see him. It's like the only thing I know
of Wilseie is like, yeah, she's just like awesome with
my kids. And then she comes to the gym, you know,
she comes to the gym and trains, which is always
I was a perk for anybody a couple, Yeah, I
mean it's you know, like Nate and I were talking
(38:52):
about that before we before you showed up with Maria
Michaelson's been coming.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Oh she's game on man, and she.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
She's funny because like she's just having a good time.
Like you can tell she don't know shit, she don't.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Mind, she doesn't mind not knowing, and she's.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Not at all, you know, And it's like we're talking
today about just like in the class that Nate and
her worrying was like, yeah, you get you've you trained,
so you can do art longer, you know, like you
can physically produce this this thing that you enjoy for longer.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I don't know how she does what she does. Man,
they're big. I don't even know those places are giant.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I don't even know all that she does.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
And and I think it's important to note for our
listening audience that Maria Michaelson's pieces, if you were to
put those in the yard, they're covered by insurance. Really yes,
because I asked my insure like what do you have
to do? Like, because I can one hundred percent see
a frisbee going into the face of this thing, right,
(39:55):
and you know, I mean we play and he said, no,
you just give us an invoice, you know how much
you paid for it or whatever, and it's insured. I'm like, so,
if a frisbee goes into its face, then you give
me the value of that piece.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yep, shut out insurance. People don't listen to this next part.
She'll fix it for free and you can get another one. Okay,
then you'll have to Maria Michaelson, that's the plug boom.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, well shit, it's I think people like Maria and
most of that cohort and Alchemy are just such true
artists and creators and magic seekers and like that's what
they've prioritized.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
In their life.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That's why Alchemy is what it is is because they're like,
let's figure out how to live on a piece of
property and make art every day and make it our
life and like spread it into the community and just
keep you know, and to do that for you know,
Alchemy is what like ten years old, and Maria has
been doing art long before that. So like, I think
(41:02):
she's at the point and she's all right, you know,
she's like at the point where she's like, yeah, like
I must optimize my health and wellness and physical body
to be able to keep doing this life that I love, you.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Know, especially because she Yeah, she stays busy.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I mean that's a huge that's a huge property and
they got a lot of stuff going on that.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I mean, you you can't really be.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I don't know, you have to be physical to just
maintain that life, you know, of just like you just
like the organizing of it, you know, even if she wasn't,
you know, an active participant in creating the stuff, Like
even if she was just like logistically in charge of it, like,
you'd have to stay sharp.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I mean it's huge, yeah, and mentally, emotionally, like, energetically
all the.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
And we all know exercise helps with all that.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Did she open she was one of the original founders
of Alchemy.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, her and Glenn and her husband Eben.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, that's Eban and Maria's piece of property and the
nonprofit is based there and yeah, yeah they've been I
think it's ten years old.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Cool shut Yeah. Yeah, So what else? What else do
you tell me?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
More? Art man?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Okay, what do we doing?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Art?
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Fitness?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Have you been business a fitness person for your whole life?
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Too?
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Yeah? Yeah, since I was seventeen, we did aerobics we
had like thong things and leg warmers.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, Jane Fonda.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
That hell, yeah, that's never happening.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Are there picture pictures of that exist?
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Well, there's always the Crystal Light Dancers. You can go
online and watch the Crystal Light Dancers, And that's who
we wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I have seen those those highlight They're just so.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Painful to watch. I watch them and my whole body goes, oh, that.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Was me, that was me at a nasty two step.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, man, I'm like the I feel like I'm like
the tail end of the last generation whose life is
not documented every step of the way.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
You know, And thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Sarah about that. How she's thirty two.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
And she's the last generation of kids that didn't grow
up with a cell phone.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Take got his first cell phone when he was sixteen,
I think, and then he bought no, I think he
was probably fourteen. He got a flip phone because I
wanted to know where he was because he was doing
sports and stuff. And then I think when he was
like sixteen or seventeen, he's like, Mom, I'm getting a smartphone.
Can I put it on your plan? And yeah, things
(44:01):
have changed a lot, so your kids, your kids generation,
not to say your kids. The influence of screens is
just astounding to me. This was a huge battle in
our household the whole time the kids were little. The
bottom line was if it was sunny, or even if
it wasn't sunny, if it wasn't raining, you're outside, you're inside,
(44:24):
but you're no screens. And nowadays, you know, it's not
enough for a kid to go watch handball, you know,
like watch their dad play handball. It's not enough. It's
got a flicker and it just drives me crazy. And
I don't tell my kids what to do. I try
not to tell my kids what to do because they're
gam gaw, grown ass men, grown ass women, you know.
(44:50):
But I do tell them if you give my grandchildren
screens before they're eight years old, it's hell to pay
with mom, because it just, you know, it's almost like
a form of child abuse as far as I'm concerned.
Both my boys, you know, they place they play video
games now, but they know how to engage their environment
(45:10):
because I fought that battle. And then both of them
when they went off to school. They don't think I
know this, but you know, they went to the end
of themselves with video games and probably some other stuff.
And they both were completely grossed out. Like they both
thank me. They both said, Mom, we get why you
(45:31):
wouldn't let us do that. And you know, so I
feel pretty good about that. There's stuff I don't feel
good about with the kids, but that's something I feel
good about. That was a battle like worth waging.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, probably a much more clear battle lines back then.
You know, these days so pervasive and so and and
just the the literal ease of the amount that you
have to commit to doing things way harder than you
(46:05):
have to regularly is so much higher. Like we're kind
of a similar Like we probably have the similar like
keep it as least as possible, and if TV babysitter
needs to pop out, or if the kids need to
look at something on a plane or at a restaurant,
like you know, sometimes it's it's gonna go down, or like.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
We have a rule that if you want to watch
an episode on Netflix, you have to run two laps.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
So you've got to run.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
There's this little pond out in front of my house,
and if you want to watch an episode, you got
to run around that twice.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
So if you want to watch another one, get outside.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
And then maybe they get distracted well.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Now exactly, and then they're out there like, yeah, there's
a turtle in the pond.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
There's two turtles, and it's like and then they meet
a neighborhood kid, you know, and like it's yeah, it's
just so hard, man.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
It's so hard. And you know, if I told the kids,
I told the boys, mostly we got a wi you know,
they're jumping around doing their thing, dance, dance Nation whatever.
I told the boys, I'm never buying you an xbox,
xbox or a PlayStation, so don't ever ask me. You're
never getting one. Even if you got one, it's not
(47:18):
coming in the house. And they just were like, oh
my god, you're just so weird. Like and so they
did spend a lot of time at their friends' houses,
but they couldn't spend their entire time over there. And
it's not like I was just you know now, but
you know, you put in a full day and you
then play some video games. I don't care, I don't mind.
(47:38):
But also like the messaging that happens in the video games,
it was like, you know what, you're gonna be eighteen
someday and you're gonna live in an apartment and you're
gonna smoke a bunch of weed, and you're gonna drink
a bunch of stuff with your friends, and you're gonna
play video games and it's not right now this is
my house.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Well, not to mention, like the people who have access
to your kids through some of that stuff is God,
it's way different now, you know, it's like to have
unfettered access to YouTube or video games or chats or whatever.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
You know, it's it's it's just rough, man. It's hard
to well, it was hard to know.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I was listening to us a podcast about like chat
GBT and kids using chat GBT in isolation, and.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
Like ship's going down.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
There's no there's no moral compass for chat GBT.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
No is going to give you what you want.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
And if you're a kid and you're asking, you know,
really adult things like this, the chat GBT is gonna kind.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Of give you that.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And I never thought about that. I'd never thought about
kids using chat GBT.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Oh yeah, they use it all and and you know
they have to. That's how it is. The The big
thing for me with and for both Steve and I
with the iPhone is the porn And you know, we
talked about that out in the open. They hated it
so much.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
Like, oh my god, stop talking.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
And I'm like, well, you know, if you engage in
that a bunch of honey, your dick doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
So that's the thing changes.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
And you should have seen their face. They were just like,
I don't say, but you know, we were frank about it,
like counselors and pastors offices are full of people that
can't have sex because it doesn't work anymore, because it
doesn't look like that.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, your neural pathway has changed. Your expectations are warped.
It's the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Back in my day, you had to steal your dad's magazines. Yeah,
and now like I think what like I think one
in or like some high percentage of kids under eight
have seen porn on the internet or on their friend's.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Phone driving the medical you know, yeah, Steve, Yeah, I'm
not going to go there anyway.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Next Yeah, next time I'll go next.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Yeah, I know, I shot off without even talking about education.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah that's a for me.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
What you got say it?
Speaker 5 (50:10):
We have three minutes, say it.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We have three minutes and ten seconds.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh my gosh, education.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
What next time?
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, give us a hot take on something. Ummm, hot take.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
I'm a proponent of the classical model.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Nice yeah, and home models education model.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Talking the classical, the trivium, grammar, logic, and rhetoric stages
of development. And we had a school for twenty years
that taught that.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Wow, next time, next time, Next time.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
I saw mom pod, I saw a fun thing about.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
This woman called it not homeschooling, but she called it
home education. And I can't unhear it now, and I'm
going to use it and recite it to everybody.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Of Well, that's what it is, right, it's on education.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
And this woman said it. I'm going to butcher it.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
She sounded beautiful, and she said it was a man
and a woman get married, they have a child, they
start a family, they start a business, they.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Start their faith, They create the.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Business, they build a family, they serve their community, all
while their children are at their feet, Yes, constructing them.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
So it's like, yes, that that's what it is. It's
not the.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Crazy weird kid who's not socialized because he doesn't go
to school. It's like, man, I don't know what you
guys remember about school, but there's not too much socialization
at school, right, Like it's sit here, you know, and it's.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
Like, well, there's not a lot of proper socialization. It's
competitive and you know, a pool of ethical differences. I guess.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, Steve Steve is so he taught at the district
for seven years, I think, and then and then Paidea
for ten years. But before we opened Paidea, he concluded
because he's math science. He concluded after six years, these
(52:20):
these kids are hard to educate. They are disrespectful, and
they want me to entertain them. He concluded that based
on the data, like Steve data, and he had just
described our three year old, and it was really troubling
for us. Yeah, and so that's when we started to
pursue different avenues. We didn't have anybody in school anyway,
(52:42):
but god, so you.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Guys just I totally forgot that you guys started.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
That with four other families.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I want to, Yeah we should. We got thirty seconds.
Oh hell yes, the next time for sure, because I
would love to hear more on why you were compared
and how you were compelled to. But you know, you
know what, We're going to start our own school here because.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
We were insane we didn't get the memo that you
don't do that.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
That's not insane, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I mean, my group of friends right now is going
through that feelings of like there's not like we're all
homeschoolers and like, and it's because we don't think that
the Rockefeller education model fits for all kids and not
our kids, you know specifically, and like you know, for
(53:28):
us who have you know, we're we're you know, I
wasn't raised with any sort of religious My parents went
to Catholic school growing up, and we're scared away from
organized religion. And you know, one of our friends is
you know, ex Mormon, and like it's very conscious and
sensitive of like the any sort of underpinnings of like
(53:53):
you know, theology or something where it's not appropriat or
where it doesn't belong in education, and like she's like, look,
there's no there's there is no homeschool here that doesn't
have Christian underpinnings or have these things that like, you know,
if if that's what people believe in and what they do, great,
but like is there an option that doesn't include some
(54:16):
of that? You know, like can my kids have some
sort of option that like is not related to that,
and the answer is not really right now, you know,
Like yeah, and that's and that's where the question is,
is like if four of us are on the same page,
like do we have the time in the bandwidth to
(54:38):
like build that and like either what's the choice, you know,
you either have.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
To or it's about decisions, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, And for me, it's also about like talking with people,
like communicating to my kids, Like we do wrestling, and
the wrestling coaches are like real Christian and like the
wrestling shirts say faith and whatever and whatever and like
have a cross or something on it, and like, you know,
I'm like cool, we just tell the kids, like the
Christians do the wrestling, you know, like yeah, you know,
(55:06):
like yeah, that's just that's just what they're doing, you know,
Like yeah, you know, but like just just explaining to
them that people have different faiths and different things and like,
you know, this is just something that has that and
like you can grow up to believe whatever makes sense
for you and.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
Like and that's the hardest part though, It's like is.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
The challenge of that of understanding that like you can
have people that believe a completely different way than you,
but like still cool, you know, we can still hang
out and like reality, it's all about our children, you know,
and it's our responsibility, I think, as parents to put
our children in environments and situations where people don't think
(55:55):
the way that they do right.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
Like how, I don't know, I don't agree. I mean,
the bottom line for us was that the public school
for us, okay, I'm gonna go to that dark side.
You know, you can't teach neutral. It can't be neutral.
(56:17):
They're either going to teach that there is a God
or there isn't. And for us, we didn't want our
kids in a setting that taught that there was no God.
And you know, that was the bottom line for us.
So they can't go there. And they did go there.
They did go to public school, I think eighth or
ninth grade, but by then we felt like our shift
(56:38):
was somewhat over. That they were solid in who they
were and who their friends were. I mean, to this day,
their friends have even if they don't claim Christ, they
their friends have the same moral structure, ethical structure that
they grew up with, you know, like, oh, they're going
to listen to this and.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Go no, it did.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
We don't know, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
It is it is you're right moral underpinnings, like whether
whether you're you're Buddhist or Catholic or Jewish or whatever,
if you have a structure of morality that the underpinnings,
I mean, of all the religions, they are written out
to be the same.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
It's it's compassion, it's love, it's you know, and like
a lot of it gets twisted, and a lot of
it gets focused on and and perverted for the power
of the people who are in charge of that religion,
you know.
Speaker 5 (57:33):
But I don't know. Such to me is like a
bottomless pit. Who knows, who the hellmos? I do know
that when my kids were little, we had to teach
them what we believed. Yeah, there was you know. I
was on a plane with this guy and he goes,
do you teach your kids that stuff? Oh my god,
you need to teach your kids that stuff. And I was
looking at him like I knew he didn't have any kids.
(57:53):
He was like twelve, No, he was, you know, he
was in his twenties. Yeah, And I think I had
asked him, do you have any kids now? And he's like,
you teach your kids that stuff? With all kinds of condemnation,
like he knew what I was teaching my kids and
he didn't. And he goes, how can you do that?
And I said, dude, how can I not what I'm
(58:14):
going to, like, cook something up that I believe so
that it's like better than what I believe. I don't
understand what your point is. And you know, we we
felt that it was imperative to teach him what we know.
And yeah, that's a different podcast, but anyway, thank.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
You, tune in next time.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Thank you Theology pod Man, thanks for coming, Winnie, thanks
for having me. Yeah, everybody go to the artist's studio tour,
golf course road studio.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, what time is it? At ten to five?
Speaker 5 (58:56):
You're going to be.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Bring a cooler, Yeah, bring it cool.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
Come hang out, listen to music, and yeah, that's it.
Until next time. Be the Light
Boom Episode eleven Dad Pod. Uh, for the first time
on Dad Pod, we got a mom. We got Winnie
Brumsickle mom extraordinary artist, business woman, CrossFit or I was
gonna say professional, but CrossFit enthusiast.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all around great person.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I had to get on the pod.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, damn yeah. So yeah we're here.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Uh, Winnie and keV have a the Artist Studio tour
coming up first weekend of June.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
This Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, this Saturday.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
It's always the first full weekend in June.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, this was it Friday, Saturday Sunday or just Saturday Sunday.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
Well last week last weekend, there was one day in June.
So this weekend there's two days on the weekend, if
that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
So Saturday Sunday, like.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
Last weekend, Sunday the first, but that wasn't a full
weekend injin got you. That's a plug for that day forever.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
More for studio too.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I got an echo on my on my earphones in there.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah. Is that what I called reverb?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, So we just wanted to Mainly I wanted to
get you on the pod because I think you're such
a wonderful person. I enjoyed talking to you. You have
been such a blessing in my life and my family's life,
not even just with the whole art thing and the
studio tour, but just withies, Yeah, with my babies and
(01:40):
with my wife. It's just like it's been a really
great pleasure to meet you and get to know you
and your family. And the studio tour is one of
those things that.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I had no idea about.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Really until until it all kind of like happened, and
then I just I'm curious and wanting to know, like
with both of your guys' experience living on the.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Island and be an artist on the island for some time,
Like what is it?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah? Like what? And like yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
For you guys know how it started or like who
started it or how the tour started.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Yeah, I don't know how the tour started. I sort
of hopped on when.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
I think the first time I was on the tour
was in twenty seventeen. I was at Laura Bauer's studio.
She's an awesome painter, but she moved. Yeah, Cloud Oaks
in the Infinite Cloud Oaks. Yeah, and Laura and I
we slayed.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, cloud Cloud is cool. She moved away a few
years ago.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Right, she started the Art Hive in Prescott. It spelled Prescott,
but it's Prescott, Prescott, Prescott and it's a like a
gajillion square foot space and it has something like twenty
plus studios in it and a wait list.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Nice. Yeah, and you're in there, right.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Well, I took a studio for a week and I
painted some stuff. Yeah, and then they had a show.
I don't remember if it's the fourth Friday or the
first Friday, but they have one thousand people that come
to their first or fourth Friday. Wow. Thousand. Yeah. I
mean it's almost like they have to decide if they
want to keep doing it.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I don't know if it was just an opening or
a show that you know, there's the demographics to support it.
It's tricky.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, we're growing our first Friday steadily slow burn.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Yeah. I'm not sure how the studio tour started either.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I do remember when I first started clocking that, it
was like, oh, there's signs all over the island. There's
you know, there's people coming and driving to it, and
you know, they start putting out maps and the social
media is a lot more busy now about it.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
And there's so many artists.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
There's twenty two is that right, Yeah, twenty two studios
and like sixty one artists or something.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, yeah, which is awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I've long said that we should be an art destination
just as much as we are eco tourism.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Cool. And Kev's on the on the tour this year
at your studio.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, getting that, uh, that first taste of the art
the art world, which is yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Lot going on to it.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Well the art island, yeahah, the art island, not the
entire world, not the whole world.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
But yeah, it's been fun to Yeah, it's kind of
sorted out and figure out like the hell's it's all about,
you know, and then having like a carrot to go
after to like force me to create art, you know,
because if you show up as like one thing, you're
kind of shipp in the bed on it where you know,
(04:57):
it's like you got you gotta kind of have have
like a few different things, and to do that you
have to like prioritize, you know, your time to actually
produce it. But it's been it's been fun, man, Like
I'm I'm excited about it for the for the reason
that I get to spend basically two entire days in
(05:18):
the sun. Yeah, thank god, creating art, doing art, talking
to people about art, like with my friends and family,
and watching.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Them respond to your work.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That part, I'm not Uh, that's the part where I
don't know it'll be interesting because I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I mean, why why trepidation in that regard.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I mean, I think with anything that you that you produce,
once you put it out there for the world, like
it's you get that feedback?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Did you put it out there for the world.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I will be you know, I will be starting this weekend,
you know, the people the world in a sense.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Of the people that want to come and to come
and see it.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
And support you.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, it's like, I don't know, I think that that's
part of the deal. Like we've been talking about that book,
the War of Art Stephen Pressfield and the resistance of creating,
not even just artists, like anything in general, anything worth creating,
Like you're going to have that natural force to like
tell you.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No, you shouldn't do that, or you can just wait
to do that.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
The tyranny of the urgent.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, and then like, I don't know, it's been fun
to to kind of play with that, but then also
like actively work against it because it's like, yo, you
you have a thing now, like you have a deadline
that you have to produce this for it has to
be a certain way, which like I think I told
both of you guys, like separately, but just the the
(06:44):
act of finishing a canvas to be like gallery ready
with the varnish and then like ties on the.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Little rope on the back and yeah, all that stuff,
like it's it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It's fun to learn that and then realize I was like, yeah,
there really are like kind of levels to to.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
This, you know, but yeah, level one. Yeah, and I
shan't soon forget you texting me a picture of the receipt,
your receipt to the art tour and then f you.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah it was because it wasn't. I mean, originally it
was going to be like me and one of my sons, Ronan, Yeah,
who shout out Ronan. He got awarded. He's graduated in
high school in two weeks. He got awarded from his
art department, the Art department awards, so he gets a special.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Little cord for his cap.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
He got a little scholarship internship and a sweet little
video and yeah, it was going to be me and him,
but him not being a full time resident on the island.
I was like, well, I can't do that, and yeah,
then you asked me, You're like, well, do you want
to do it? You can and it's like, uh, sure,
you know, and then that was that.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
But yeah, it'll be I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I'm looking forward to just the experience of it, you know,
never have been involved in something like this, but then
and then realizing that, like.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's a whole deal.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
It's a thing.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's like a whole it's a whole thing that like
being a part of is fun, you know, like, and
I'm not, as some of you will know, I'm not
too keen on showing like work some progress and all
the internet and all the social media stuff. So if
you want to see it, come through Studio two. There's
(08:37):
our shameless plug. And yeah, I just think that it'll
be it'll be fun to see who shows up.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
It's pretty funny lining you out for a to be
a guest artist because you were at first, thing, well
I'm just gonna put my stuff in the bushes, like okay, actually,
And at first I thought, well, people are actually coming
to see it, you maybe don't want to hide it.
And then I thought, oh no, that's a good idea.
(09:09):
That's kind of your jam, you know, just discover it
if you want.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, because that's like again coming from you know, a
graffiti background. Like that's the thing that I missed the
most about living in the city.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Was like all the art that like isn't supposed to
be where it is. Then all the art that's done by.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Graffiti writers that only graffiti writers see, Like you only
see it if you are walking on the street in
the alley, Like you have your your freeway shots, and
you have the things like that that.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You can see from a bus or a car.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
But to actually be the one beaten feet through a city,
only graffiti writers are looking in like these certain little,
tiny little cut spots in little areas. And I thought
that idea of doing that on San Juan Island and
having people looking around the property kind of like you know,
(10:08):
geeking out like oh what does that you know, and
then walk over to it and check it out.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
And then like oh shit, what does that over there?
You know? I think it would be fun. And then also, well.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
It's hidden, like you know, like your stuff is going
to be at my house. Yeah, it's a little bit hidden. Yeah,
I mean in Paris, sculptors hide their stuff on the
bottom side of benches, you know, they hide and glue
that out of stuff onto well to public spaces.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, you know, which is okay, which is I would
much rather see something that a human created.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It is a human. They're humans. They take their little
sculptures and they make them into tiles.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, and I would love to see that more than
I would like then I like seeing like a poster
for like PEPSI, you know what.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I mean, like where it's like I think it's a much.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Better use of negative space to have like something that
likes someone is producing. Like I'm putting this here because
I want to. I'm putting this here because I want
you to see it instead of like I paid one
thousand dollars to have this billboard right here for thirty days.
It's like fucking cool, But having an individual do it
(11:18):
is I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
That's what I've always been drawn to.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Yeah, that's what you guys do.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
With with art, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
And then yeah, I don't know, it's kind of kind
of evolved over time, but it's always still just like
that I don't want to say fuck you mentality, but
just like we're just going to kind of do.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
This, you know, like this on your private property.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, like this is what we want to do. And
a lot of time it's not private property. You know,
in the there.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Are rules a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
There are rules every time, not every time, but there's
you know, for the most part, like that was I
don't know, I can only speak for like my sons
now that are still doing graffiti in the city, and
then me and my friends and we were doing it
in the city. Was like private property was like a
no go, you know, like somebody's fence or somebody's car
or somebody's house, like, no go.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
It was always like, oh, it's the city's property.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Whatever, man, Yeah, whatever, Well, what if tax dollars bucket
don't matter, Like there's no they have they have a
limitless bank account anyway, if they can, if they can
pay fifteen people one hundred plus thousand dollars a year
to figure out the homeless problem, and then the homeless
problem get worse, Like what's what is one hundred dollars
(12:31):
for a bucket of paint? You know when like yeah, yeah,
and then set like immaturely thinking like, oh, we're creating jobs,
you know, like that was as a kid, we're creating
jobs for these people.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I just watched a little clip about a dude
who goes around with a piece of chalk and draws
like beautiful mandala like geometric circle stuff, and he's like,
he's like, you know what, I choose to do it
at like dingy bus stops because the city won't put
any money into coming and cleaning up these busts. But
if I draw a mural or something on the ground,
then they send people over to spray it away and
(13:05):
clean it up, you know, and like so it really
just makes the bus stations cleaner. And he's like, I
don't know why they don't just clean him instead of
making sure they get rid of my art. But like,
you know, and that's that kind of culture jamming aspect
of street art is like we're in a system that's
(13:25):
built around us that we didn't explicitly agree to and
we don't necessarily agree with.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
So like if you.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Can add a little something in there to you know,
make people second glance or switch a little perspective, like
either on the scale of like Banksy where you're doing
these big political messages that people were like oh shit,
or you know, tiny little hidden sculptures or a little
geocash and USB sticks and like you know, all that
(13:53):
stuff is like creeps in the sidelines of like this
structure that we're supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Like, I would love to find a little sculpture, man.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I found one of the she's a glass artist here
on the island and she makes mushrooms out of glass.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Nixon is that's her name.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I don't know if you're talking about it.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think that is that is her name I found.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I was up Finlessen and I was along one of
the little trails out there, and there was this little
glass mushroom, like perfectly placed where like at the base
of a tree where mushrooms would where mushrooms would grow.
And I remember looking at it. I was a little
stoned and I was like, man, is that fucking were real?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And I literally like went up and had to like
kind of flick it right because like, because like mushrooms
are like you know what I mean, like there. I
don't know about mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I just know that they come in every shape and
every color, Like some of the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And then I was like, oh, no dummies glass man.
But now it's like I remember searching out.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I was like, man, that is so cool, Like somebody
went there with a plan and had like a little
game that they were gonna play with somebody, and I
was the recipient of it, like I found this little
piece and now it's like, you know, I still have it,
and we have it in our little alloted plant like collection.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Well, my daughter and her friend we're forest fairy fairal
children and they would make little fairy lands Libby and
will see up in the woods.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know, all day and what a cool thing to
stumble upon if you're just walking her hiking.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, with little doors and little flower arrangements and yeah,
I don't know, they were busy cool.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, And that's that blending of those worlds of like.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Mundane.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
The way, even if we live in a gorgeous place
where you know, you step outside and you're in a
idyllic location, you're in a forest or on a beach,
like even in that setting, seeing something that's like that
slight touch of magic or whimsy is like this is
this is different? You know, it's like a little little
endorphed little double meane. Yeah, yeah, I kept back. I
(16:12):
don't know, probably I graduated high school two thousand and four,
so probably like two thousand and two, there was this
movement of hiding USB sticks around the city of like,
you know, you plug it in and you can get
like some videos or some art collection or some whatever.
And it was, you know, it was before social media,
(16:33):
so it was word of mouth. It was like you
kind of had to know to look for it, or
you would just stumble upon it, like somebody would remove
the facade of a brick and like put the USB
sticks sticking out of the wall and like put it
back on, you know. And just I've always loved little
things like that that don't have any purpose other than
(16:54):
that little adventure.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Ping, you know, entertainment value.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, and just that sense of like, oh I'm part
of something that under the radarch.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a special thing.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Wyn't you tell us, Winnie if you would, about like
what art has meant to you and your life and trajectory.
Have you always been artistically inclined? I know you've done
a lot of different mediums. You Yeah, what's your what
was art.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Mean to you?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
What does art mean? Oh? That's a big one. It's
my life. It's my entire life from childhood to today.
Like where should I start?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Childhood is great if there's like a maybe not necessarily
a moment, but the qualities that you remember that pieces
of art or literature or whatever enhanced your life to
the point where you're like, this is something that I
need to take part in and have around me. And
or if it was less conscious than that, and it
was just kind of the.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Definitely less conscious than that. You know, how you expose
a kid to something and it takes root and they
don't know that it took root, but it took root
and off we go. Yeah, So are you familiar with
the Northwest School of Art?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Yeah, So Kenneth Callahan, Hariichi Graves Anderson, all those guys
they formed the Northwest School of Art. And it was
a lot of mysticism and you know, landscapes with cliffs,
I don't know whatever and beaches and oh, my heart
just started to race because it's like there it is anyway.
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So my parents, my mom mostly was friends with Kenneth
Callahan and so we would go down there all the time.
So we would go down to his studio and his
studio was just a fantasy he had. He had painted
all the walls with his birds and horses and you know,
all kinds of callahany things. And you know, my mom
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would buy art and she would get DIBs on stuff,
and my sister has some and I have anyway, so
we just played like I don't know, you just you're
playing in some dude's studio and you don't know who
he is, but your mom likes him, and I'm hungry,
and you know, you're just running around and playing on
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the beach. And he used to do paintings or drawings
on the beach below the wave line, and so he
would kind of like do that with my mom and
us kids and my dad somewhere I don't know, but
she's right next to him, right. And that was just
when that school was growing. Nobody really knew all about
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the Northwest School, but it was really taking rude at
that time. And so, you know, I think I was
like six, seven, eight nine, you know, all the time
going down there, and then we didn't I remember one
time my dad wanted to get her a painting for
her birthday, but she was like the all knowing mommy
person and so he couldn't like get away, and so
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my sister distracted him and he jumped in the car
and drove three hours down to Ocean Shores or Long
Beach or wherever I think Long Beach and three hours
back like somehow without my mom knowing, which was quite
a coupe really, and got her this painting. And I
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remember like just hanging out outside of galleries all the time,
like I just didn't know what she was doing. And
one time, this guy we were at this antique store,
and a lot of antique stores in Seattle had paintings
too rite and I was, you know, I was probably
six or seven, and I'm running around and causing havoc
(20:50):
and they just want to talk about art or whatever
they're doing. And he gave me this box and he's like, here,
dig through this box. You can keep one thing. And
I'm like, oh, there it is. And so I spent
all this time digging around in this box and I
found this gold medalliony thing with a pearl in the middle.
It was a way to identify if you're Jewish. I guess,
(21:11):
I don't know, And I said, I found it. You know,
I got my thing, and my mom is looking at
me like there it is. And the guy goes, oh,
not that, not anything but that. You know, he didn't
know it was in there. And I don't know. I've
always had a kinship with my mom in that regard.
You know, I was the youngest. And so I was
(21:34):
telling Kevin about the Seattle Art Museum. You know, back then,
I'm a booser. I'm like an ex boomer or something.
But we just were really fairal like, we just ran around,
you know, if Mom had something to do at the museum,
we were like on our own, you know, like, don't
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come in unless you're bleeding. And and so we would
just run around in Volunteer Park and they're you know,
climb on the sculptures, and climb on the camel, the
those two camel camels. You know, our butts shine those camels.
And now you can't even touch them. And I think
they put fake ones out there at Volunteer Park. It's
(22:16):
now the Asian Wow. Yeah, And so I think, okay,
I think Richard Fuller is who wrote my Asian Art textbook,
and that was my Auntie Lee's dad, and he was
a curator. If I'm not mistaken, it's rich it's Dick Fuller.
(22:39):
He was the curator for the Seattle Art Museum. So
the Seattle Art Museum was this little museum in Seattle,
and Seattle was like po donkey for a while and
until it wasn't. And he's in this museum, this fabulous
building at Volunteer Park, and he's like collecting Asian art.
So he'd find it, buy it with the budget the
board knew, and he'd stuff it in the basement. And
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that's why we have the Seattle Asian Art Museums, because
the whole basement was stuffed with stuff that everybody wanted
come the seventies, you.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Know, And so he was just as a curator, you
just buy things you like, or you think that I
think they.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Were very inexpensive. I think these pieces were extremely inexpensive.
I think they were at the time there were op
ard I just went to the dentist opportunists who were,
you know, peddling, pedaling stuff to him. And then Asian
art became very popular. I mean, if you can imagine,
you know, like, don't you have some grandma or someone
(23:37):
in your life and their whole house was.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like, yes, Asian miner from the Midwest. So no, but
I can get it, like the vibe.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I don't like Asian art, so that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
But it's a broad I know, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Like it.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Let's see where was I.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I grew up Dick Fuller was, Yeah, that was a
relative of you. You grew up watching this.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
I never met him. I mean I probably met him
and don't remember. And then at one point Andy Warhol
had a show that scooted through Seattle. He wasn't a
huge big deal yet, but his show was cool and
my mom loved it. She was a docent at the
Seattle Art Museum for fifteen years, so there was a
lot of time glemming on the camels.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And a dosin is someone who tours you around. Yeah,
they a museum or a gallery.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yeah, they know all about the show, They know the
subtleties of the show, and they know about the artist.
I have no idea what she talked about, you know,
I'm sure. I'm sure there was an Asian room and
there was some contemporary stuff that she preferred, and I'm
sure the Northwest dudes went through there. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I was teeny, so was there a lot of like
did your mom do any kind of exposition or explaining
to you or did you just kind of this was
just the ocean that you swam through and like it
didn't require Like was she like art is this and
this is what it means to me and this is
what we're doing here? Or did you just kind of
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tag along and see that it was her both lifeblood
and you know, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
When you're little, you just do what you're doing. You know,
you just do what you're told, and you do what
you're doing, and you know, like you don't put two
and two it together. But I think getting older, I
remember asking her, you know, and we traveled and stuff.
When I was like sixteen, we went to Paris and
picked up my sister. She was in Asia for a
long time. But I remember asking her, mom, why, why
(25:42):
what is up with this? Like who paints that? Why
is that like that? And I can't remember if it
was like a still life or it was some big
modern piece and I kind of was like blowing cover that.
I didn't get it, And I said, Mom, why is
that like that? Why who gives it? Child? About that?
(26:03):
I don't get it? And she said Whenny not everything
can be said with words, that has to be said
with paint. And it had to be said, it had
to be said by that guy. Wow. And she was
a little dismissive. You know, my mom was a tough nut.
But yeah, I think that was a turning point. Cool
(26:26):
and the first time, you know, the first time I
realized that I was an artist. So she didn't she
didn't shovel art supplies into our realm at all, Like
it's craons and if they're broken, we don't want to,
you know, like not at all. She didn't shovel paint
or art supply, you know, Like, I don't know. They
were busy doing their thing, my parents. And what did
(26:47):
I start doing? What was the first thing? I think
sewing was the first thing, and then and then I
just I have this mind that just drills down on
stuff really hard and obsesses about it. There's definitely an
obsession aspect to it. And so I started making leather handbags,
and then I became a perfumer, and then it started
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to paint and now I'm making acrylic stuff. So like,
I don't know, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Did you always do art all through?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Because your children are older now they're out of the
house and they're older did you do art and create things?
I guess yeah, you created businesses and you created spaces.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I was really into making spaces, like designing interiors and
exteriors frankly.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
And we've done great fashion sense too. Is that something
that you've.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Always like aesthetically, have always been conscious of?
Speaker 5 (27:44):
I think yeah. I think as a young person, you know,
you get to be middle school, you're very self conscious, right,
you want what everybody else has. And I went to
school with some rich kids and they like had some stuff.
And I remember one time going, where did you get
that shirt? I really like that shirt? I thought, I'll
go get me that shirt and it was I shanned
(28:05):
to forgot. It was Cynthia Sandal and her dad owned
a whole bunch of restaurants. And she said, she looked
at me and she goes norths Trump and I'm like,
du oh, I've heard of it.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I'm gonna check it out. So I went down.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I went down there and I went to North Strum.
I was gonna get shirt.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I thought, you know what school did you go to?
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Belby High?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Shout out?
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Yeah it wasn't as fans. Well anyway, whatever, I did
go to get that shirt and it was like twenty
nine dollars and I just like.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Oh, oh my god, my shirt.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I looked at her differently after that.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I was like, oh my god, there's that moment. I
remember in middle school, I went to Seattle Academy.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
I went to SASS Yeah, which was like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know, rich private school kid school, and that it
was Abercrombie and Fitch. Back then, you know, that was
that was what the cool kids were wearing.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Back to school.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Shopping came up and we went and my mom was like,
where do you want to go?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And I was like, Abercrombie and Fitch, I guess.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And we went over there and you know, ran through
the racks and she was like, there's simply no way
where no.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I was like, this is a no wardrobe from here.
One one pair of shorts and some Pokah shells.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Some for sure, the double polo with the pop collar.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
And you know, I personally like, I'm going to insert
my opinion here and you didn't even ask. I think
that the way that someone appears is important because you know,
in Europe everybody knows this, right, but it's public domain.
What your what you wear in public is public domain.
(29:45):
Like that's what you're bringing to the table. And my
style is classic but popped up a little bit, you know.
So I'm a class I'm a classics girl. I like
jeans with their little like I don't know, yeah, they
might be torn up.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Something, just a little little flavor.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It's interesting to say that one of my sons is
like he thinks of fashion in that way, like he
looks at everything he wears as like a piece, as
like what he's going out into the world as not.
But public domain is art, and I remember, I'm I'm
not that I wear a T shirts and jim clothes
(30:28):
and maybe a pair of jeans like every single day.
And talking to him about that with art, it's fun
because I have no concept of that, like never in
my life has been come.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
To That's interesting too, because you do have that sense
of of art, you know. Like whereas my wife I
have these conversations with her like she's like, I think
fashion is stupid.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I think it's a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I don't understand it at all, and she forgot that.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
She's going, well, she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
She doesn't know. I'm like, cool, you can put on
anything great, good for you. But then like she'll feel
the same way about art. She's like, I just don't
get it, you know, And I'm like, all right, you know,
like I'll give you a pass on if it's both.
You know, if you if you don't care about clothes,
that's what's one thing. But she does. She will have like, oh,
(31:22):
I know that I like this color. I know that
I like the feel of this fabric. And I'm like,
all right, So if you take the things that you
know that you like, whether it's something drapy or flowy,
or like the way something fits you or the fabric,
and like just pull together a couple things of that
give you those feelings, then like that's that's your wardrobe.
(31:45):
You know, that's your style. It's like you don't have
to think of it as like there's these rules of
fashion that I have to follow that.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
This and this.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I think maybe that overwhelms her, but I'm always like, man,
just find something that feels good for you to put on.
And yeah, yeah, I mean I rock crocks. I tried
hard for a long time and then I put some
on and I was like, damn it, they're so comfy.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yeah, you know, it sounds like your wife is math science.
Steve's math science. You know, he would wear the exact
same thing every single solitary day if it was Okay,
I take that back, honey, I know, you.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Know, yeah, it's just different.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It is different brains and like different ways of calculating
what's and I and I try to tell.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Her the same thing. I'm like, like, man, I.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Think of fashion as a form of art and like
a way to present yourself. And like the way that
I present myself makes me feel a certain way and
like that helps me get through the day or or
whatever it might be, you know, or like I feel
more confident in this or that or whatever. And it's
you know, I'm there's no small bit of vantage. He
(33:00):
tied up in there too, you know, but like I like, yeah,
I like to make sure that I look put together
most of the time.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
And you know, you have a cool look. You have
a really cool look.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Whenever I see him out in the street, man, it's
like you got the whole thing going.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Well, you see me at the house, it's.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So you've always done art, You've always created even with
the littles. Are your kids in the art?
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Yeah, so all three of them are good at it,
But will See's an artist. Well, Isaac is really good
at it. And I accidentally heard Tate saying one time
and it was really good, you know once. And he
also can draw. Isaac can draw. Isaac is a crafts person.
(33:52):
He works for window Craft. Tate is a very specific
kind of guy. And but will See has got the
street like she's the force is strong within her and
she so I did funnel art supplies to them. She's
the one who picked it up. But she taught herself
how to play guitar and sing. She taught herself that
(34:15):
we didn't we didn't even play music. She liked, you know.
And I remember her playing her guitar and it was
a source of comfort for her because she's dyslexic and
she'd play. Tate would go, why does she play the
same thing over and over? And it was like, Tate,
(34:36):
you take two hundred extra shots after lacrosse practice and
it's kind of similar.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But yeah, yeah, Willsie's she as far as singer songwriters go,
we have a real strong cohort on this Island, and
Wilsie is easily top three favorite for me. Her the
uniqueness of her voice, her I'm a lyrics.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
You know, I'm I'm a wordsmith, and uh yeah, just
the lyrics that she writes, the stories that she fits
into her original pieces.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Uh yeah, I'm a I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Does she do open mic?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
She did for a minute.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, she was a regular for a minute and then yea,
she takes She just started coming back after a good
maybe year off of open mics. She showed up a
few times recently, which has been great. She did one
of the first Waterworks concert series at the Old Spot.
(35:39):
I think she was the second one, Trinity was the first,
and it was just a beautiful night of you guys
were there. It was a it was a fantastic little concert,
little show, and uh yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Then she kind of like I was like, are you
gonna cut a record? Let's get you on the road, dude.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Like, let's like, you got enough work you could you
could you could record this and tour it if you wanted.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
She wrote songs in high school when she actually literally
would get love sick and you know, it's such a
tumultuous time and she would write these songs that just
with SOB and then later on I'd say, hey, well
can you sing that one song? She's like, oh, I
don't know. I don't I don't even know where it is.
(36:22):
I don't remember. And she's written songs for me that
she just she just like rips them off and kicks
them my way. Hy mom, I'm gonna send you a song, okay,
and I'm sobbing. I was in LA for a perfume
school gig and she had sent me this song I'm
(36:44):
Gonna Cry Now. And I listened to it every day
from the air to the studio where we were doing
perfume stuff, and it just kind of got me through
because I was down there by myself, and I think
it was one of the first trips I had made
by my elf after having kids, you know, I was
home for.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Like ten years, yeah, creating a home.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Yeah. And she and she's like, oh you liked it.
I'm like, oh my god, it was the air I
breathe heard.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah. She pulls stuff out of her armpit like nobody's business,
clay music. She designed her own salon. Like when she
decided to open her salon, it was just game on
and I thought, I'll bring some snacks and some rags,
you know, when we were all setting it up and
(37:36):
she already had snacks and rags. What do you what
do you mean she already had her figure it out.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, she's also got a great aesthetic sense.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Absolutely. Yeah, she's stunning and fabulous. All all my kids
are stunning and fabulous.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
And they are all really good with small children. They
are like them.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
When we came over for the bonfire the other day, man,
it was like it was so cool to meet all
of the brumsickles and then their satellite, you know, significant others.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
And then I left there.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Talking with Sarah like, man, well they they notched up
you know in my book, because yeah, your kids are
just they're just great, Like they're so great and so
patient with you know, my little guys, and and like,
you know, man, they can they can be a little
rambunctious at times, you know. I mean they're little dudes, man,
(38:31):
they're six and four. And it was just so great
to see him. It's like the only thing I know
of Wilseie is like, yeah, she's just like awesome with
my kids. And then she comes to the gym, you know,
she comes to the gym and trains, which is always
I was a perk for anybody a couple, Yeah, I
mean it's you know, like Nate and I were talking
(38:52):
about that before we before you showed up with Maria
Michaelson's been coming.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Oh she's game on man, and she.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
She's funny because like she's just having a good time.
Like you can tell she don't know shit, she don't.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Mind, she doesn't mind not knowing, and she's.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Not at all, you know, And it's like we're talking
today about just like in the class that Nate and
her worrying was like, yeah, you get you've you trained,
so you can do art longer, you know, like you
can physically produce this this thing that you enjoy for longer.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I don't know how she does what she does. Man,
they're big. I don't even know those places are giant.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I don't even know all that she does.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
And and I think it's important to note for our
listening audience that Maria Michaelson's pieces, if you were to
put those in the yard, they're covered by insurance. Really yes,
because I asked my insure like what do you have
to do? Like, because I can one hundred percent see
a frisbee going into the face of this thing, right,
(39:55):
and you know, I mean we play and he said, no,
you just give us an invoice, you know how much
you paid for it or whatever, and it's insured. I'm like, so,
if a frisbee goes into its face, then you give
me the value of that piece.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yep, shut out insurance. People don't listen to this next part.
She'll fix it for free and you can get another one. Okay,
then you'll have to Maria Michaelson, that's the plug boom.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, well shit, it's I think people like Maria and
most of that cohort and Alchemy are just such true
artists and creators and magic seekers and like that's what
they've prioritized.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
In their life.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That's why Alchemy is what it is is because they're like,
let's figure out how to live on a piece of
property and make art every day and make it our
life and like spread it into the community and just
keep you know, and to do that for you know,
Alchemy is what like ten years old, and Maria has
been doing art long before that. So like, I think
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she's at the point and she's all right, you know,
she's like at the point where she's like, yeah, like
I must optimize my health and wellness and physical body
to be able to keep doing this life that I love, you.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Know, especially because she Yeah, she stays busy.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I mean that's a huge that's a huge property and
they got a lot of stuff going on that.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I mean, you you can't really be.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I don't know, you have to be physical to just
maintain that life, you know, of just like you just
like the organizing of it, you know, even if she wasn't,
you know, an active participant in creating the stuff, Like
even if she was just like logistically in charge of it, like,
you'd have to stay sharp.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I mean it's huge, yeah, and mentally, emotionally, like, energetically
all the.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
And we all know exercise helps with all that.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Did she open she was one of the original founders
of Alchemy.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Yeah, her and Glenn and her husband Eben.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, that's Eban and Maria's piece of property and the
nonprofit is based there and yeah, yeah they've been I
think it's ten years old.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Cool shut Yeah. Yeah, So what else? What else do
you tell me?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
More? Art man?
Speaker 5 (42:24):
Okay, what do we doing?
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Art?
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Fitness?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Have you been business a fitness person for your whole life?
Speaker 4 (42:33):
Too?
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Yeah? Yeah, since I was seventeen, we did aerobics we
had like thong things and leg warmers.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, Jane Fonda.
Speaker 5 (42:48):
That hell, yeah, that's never happening.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Are there picture pictures of that exist?
Speaker 5 (42:54):
Well, there's always the Crystal Light Dancers. You can go
online and watch the Crystal Light Dancers, And that's who
we wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
I have seen those those highlight They're just so.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Painful to watch. I watch them and my whole body goes, oh, that.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Was me, that was me at a nasty two step.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, man, I'm like the I feel like I'm like
the tail end of the last generation whose life is
not documented every step of the way.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
You know, And thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Sarah about that. How she's thirty two.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
And she's the last generation of kids that didn't grow
up with a cell phone.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (43:39):
Take got his first cell phone when he was sixteen,
I think, and then he bought no, I think he
was probably fourteen. He got a flip phone because I
wanted to know where he was because he was doing
sports and stuff. And then I think when he was
like sixteen or seventeen, he's like, Mom, I'm getting a smartphone.
Can I put it on your plan? And yeah, things
(44:01):
have changed a lot, so your kids, your kids generation,
not to say your kids. The influence of screens is
just astounding to me. This was a huge battle in
our household the whole time the kids were little. The
bottom line was if it was sunny, or even if
it wasn't sunny, if it wasn't raining, you're outside, you're inside,
(44:24):
but you're no screens. And nowadays, you know, it's not
enough for a kid to go watch handball, you know,
like watch their dad play handball. It's not enough. It's
got a flicker and it just drives me crazy. And
I don't tell my kids what to do. I try
not to tell my kids what to do because they're
gam gaw, grown ass men, grown ass women, you know.
(44:50):
But I do tell them if you give my grandchildren
screens before they're eight years old, it's hell to pay
with mom, because it just, you know, it's almost like
a form of child abuse as far as I'm concerned.
Both my boys, you know, they place they play video
games now, but they know how to engage their environment
(45:10):
because I fought that battle. And then both of them
when they went off to school. They don't think I
know this, but you know, they went to the end
of themselves with video games and probably some other stuff.
And they both were completely grossed out. Like they both
thank me. They both said, Mom, we get why you
(45:31):
wouldn't let us do that. And you know, so I
feel pretty good about that. There's stuff I don't feel
good about with the kids, but that's something I feel
good about. That was a battle like worth waging.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah, probably a much more clear battle lines back then.
You know, these days so pervasive and so and and
just the the literal ease of the amount that you
have to commit to doing things way harder than you
(46:05):
have to regularly is so much higher. Like we're kind
of a similar Like we probably have the similar like
keep it as least as possible, and if TV babysitter
needs to pop out, or if the kids need to
look at something on a plane or at a restaurant,
like you know, sometimes it's it's gonna go down, or like.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
We have a rule that if you want to watch
an episode on Netflix, you have to run two laps.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
So you've got to run.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
There's this little pond out in front of my house,
and if you want to watch an episode, you got
to run around that twice.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
So if you want to watch another one, get outside.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
And then maybe they get distracted well.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Now exactly, and then they're out there like, yeah, there's
a turtle in the pond.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
There's two turtles, and it's like and then they meet
a neighborhood kid, you know, and like it's yeah, it's
just so hard, man.
Speaker 5 (46:57):
It's so hard. And you know, if I told the kids,
I told the boys, mostly we got a wi you know,
they're jumping around doing their thing, dance, dance Nation whatever.
I told the boys, I'm never buying you an xbox,
xbox or a PlayStation, so don't ever ask me. You're
never getting one. Even if you got one, it's not
(47:18):
coming in the house. And they just were like, oh
my god, you're just so weird. Like and so they
did spend a lot of time at their friends' houses,
but they couldn't spend their entire time over there. And
it's not like I was just you know now, but
you know, you put in a full day and you
then play some video games. I don't care, I don't mind.
(47:38):
But also like the messaging that happens in the video games,
it was like, you know what, you're gonna be eighteen
someday and you're gonna live in an apartment and you're
gonna smoke a bunch of weed, and you're gonna drink
a bunch of stuff with your friends, and you're gonna
play video games and it's not right now this is
my house.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Well, not to mention, like the people who have access
to your kids through some of that stuff is God,
it's way different now, you know, it's like to have
unfettered access to YouTube or video games or chats or whatever.
Speaker 4 (48:09):
You know, it's it's it's just rough, man. It's hard
to well, it was hard to know.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
I was listening to us a podcast about like chat
GBT and kids using chat GBT in isolation, and.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
Like ship's going down.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
There's no there's no moral compass for chat GBT.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
No is going to give you what you want.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
And if you're a kid and you're asking, you know,
really adult things like this, the chat GBT is gonna kind.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
Of give you that.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And I never thought about that. I'd never thought about
kids using chat GBT.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Oh yeah, they use it all and and you know
they have to. That's how it is. The The big
thing for me with and for both Steve and I
with the iPhone is the porn And you know, we
talked about that out in the open. They hated it
so much.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
Like, oh my god, stop talking.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
And I'm like, well, you know, if you engage in
that a bunch of honey, your dick doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
So that's the thing changes.
Speaker 5 (49:18):
And you should have seen their face. They were just like,
I don't say, but you know, we were frank about it,
like counselors and pastors offices are full of people that
can't have sex because it doesn't work anymore, because it
doesn't look like that.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, your neural pathway has changed. Your expectations are warped.
It's the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Back in my day, you had to steal your dad's magazines. Yeah,
and now like I think what like I think one
in or like some high percentage of kids under eight
have seen porn on the internet or on their friend's.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
Phone driving the medical you know, yeah, Steve, Yeah, I'm
not going to go there anyway.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Next Yeah, next time I'll go next.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Yeah, I know, I shot off without even talking about education.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah that's a for me.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
What you got say it?
Speaker 5 (50:10):
We have three minutes, say it.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
We have three minutes and ten seconds.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
Oh my gosh, education.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
What next time?
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, give us a hot take on something. Ummm, hot take.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
I'm a proponent of the classical model.
Speaker 3 (50:25):
Nice yeah, and home models education model.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Talking the classical, the trivium, grammar, logic, and rhetoric stages
of development. And we had a school for twenty years
that taught that.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Wow, next time, next time, Next time.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
I saw mom pod, I saw a fun thing about.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
This woman called it not homeschooling, but she called it
home education. And I can't unhear it now, and I'm
going to use it and recite it to everybody.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Of Well, that's what it is, right, it's on education.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
And this woman said it. I'm going to butcher it.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
She sounded beautiful, and she said it was a man
and a woman get married, they have a child, they
start a family, they start a business, they.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Start their faith, They create the.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Business, they build a family, they serve their community, all
while their children are at their feet, Yes, constructing them.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
So it's like, yes, that that's what it is. It's
not the.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Crazy weird kid who's not socialized because he doesn't go
to school. It's like, man, I don't know what you
guys remember about school, but there's not too much socialization
at school, right, Like it's sit here, you know, and it's.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
Like, well, there's not a lot of proper socialization. It's
competitive and you know, a pool of ethical differences. I guess.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (52:00):
Yeah, Steve Steve is so he taught at the district
for seven years, I think, and then and then Paidea
for ten years. But before we opened Paidea, he concluded
because he's math science. He concluded after six years, these
(52:20):
these kids are hard to educate. They are disrespectful, and
they want me to entertain them. He concluded that based
on the data, like Steve data, and he had just
described our three year old, and it was really troubling
for us. Yeah, and so that's when we started to
pursue different avenues. We didn't have anybody in school anyway,
(52:42):
but god, so you.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Guys just I totally forgot that you guys started.
Speaker 5 (52:46):
That with four other families.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
I want to, Yeah we should. We got thirty seconds.
Oh hell yes, the next time for sure, because I
would love to hear more on why you were compared
and how you were compelled to. But you know, you
know what, We're going to start our own school here because.
Speaker 5 (53:04):
We were insane we didn't get the memo that you
don't do that.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
That's not insane, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I mean, my group of friends right now is going
through that feelings of like there's not like we're all
homeschoolers and like, and it's because we don't think that
the Rockefeller education model fits for all kids and not
our kids, you know specifically, and like you know, for
(53:28):
us who have you know, we're we're you know, I
wasn't raised with any sort of religious My parents went
to Catholic school growing up, and we're scared away from
organized religion. And you know, one of our friends is
you know, ex Mormon, and like it's very conscious and
sensitive of like the any sort of underpinnings of like
(53:53):
you know, theology or something where it's not appropriat or
where it doesn't belong in education, and like she's like, look,
there's no there's there is no homeschool here that doesn't
have Christian underpinnings or have these things that like, you know,
if if that's what people believe in and what they do, great,
but like is there an option that doesn't include some
(54:16):
of that? You know, like can my kids have some
sort of option that like is not related to that,
and the answer is not really right now, you know,
Like yeah, and that's and that's where the question is,
is like if four of us are on the same page,
like do we have the time in the bandwidth to
(54:38):
like build that and like either what's the choice, you know,
you either have.
Speaker 5 (54:41):
To or it's about decisions, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, And for me, it's also about like talking with people,
like communicating to my kids, Like we do wrestling, and
the wrestling coaches are like real Christian and like the
wrestling shirts say faith and whatever and whatever and like
have a cross or something on it, and like, you know,
I'm like cool, we just tell the kids, like the
Christians do the wrestling, you know, like yeah, you know,
(55:06):
like yeah, that's just that's just what they're doing, you know,
Like yeah, you know, but like just just explaining to
them that people have different faiths and different things and like,
you know, this is just something that has that and
like you can grow up to believe whatever makes sense
for you and.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
Like and that's the hardest part though, It's like is.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
The challenge of that of understanding that like you can
have people that believe a completely different way than you,
but like still cool, you know, we can still hang
out and like reality, it's all about our children, you know,
and it's our responsibility, I think, as parents to put
our children in environments and situations where people don't think
(55:55):
the way that they do right.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
Like how, I don't know, I don't agree. I mean,
the bottom line for us was that the public school
for us, okay, I'm gonna go to that dark side.
You know, you can't teach neutral. It can't be neutral.
(56:17):
They're either going to teach that there is a God
or there isn't. And for us, we didn't want our
kids in a setting that taught that there was no God.
And you know, that was the bottom line for us.
So they can't go there. And they did go there.
They did go to public school, I think eighth or
ninth grade, but by then we felt like our shift
(56:38):
was somewhat over. That they were solid in who they
were and who their friends were. I mean, to this day,
their friends have even if they don't claim Christ, they
their friends have the same moral structure, ethical structure that
they grew up with, you know, like, oh, they're going
to listen to this and.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Go no, it did.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
We don't know, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
It is it is you're right moral underpinnings, like whether
whether you're you're Buddhist or Catholic or Jewish or whatever,
if you have a structure of morality that the underpinnings,
I mean, of all the religions, they are written out
to be the same.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
It's it's compassion, it's love, it's you know, and like
a lot of it gets twisted, and a lot of
it gets focused on and and perverted for the power
of the people who are in charge of that religion,
you know.
Speaker 5 (57:33):
But I don't know. Such to me is like a
bottomless pit. Who knows, who the hellmos? I do know
that when my kids were little, we had to teach
them what we believed. Yeah, there was you know. I
was on a plane with this guy and he goes,
do you teach your kids that stuff? Oh my god,
you need to teach your kids that stuff. And I was
looking at him like I knew he didn't have any kids.
(57:53):
He was like twelve, No, he was, you know, he
was in his twenties. Yeah, And I think I had
asked him, do you have any kids now? And he's like,
you teach your kids that stuff? With all kinds of condemnation,
like he knew what I was teaching my kids and
he didn't. And he goes, how can you do that?
And I said, dude, how can I not what I'm
(58:14):
going to, like, cook something up that I believe so
that it's like better than what I believe. I don't
understand what your point is. And you know, we we
felt that it was imperative to teach him what we know.
And yeah, that's a different podcast, but anyway, thank.
Speaker 4 (58:35):
You, tune in next time.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
Thank you Theology pod Man, thanks for coming, Winnie, thanks
for having me. Yeah, everybody go to the artist's studio tour,
golf course road studio.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, what time is it? At ten to five?
Speaker 5 (58:56):
You're going to be.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Bring a cooler, Yeah, bring it cool.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
Come hang out, listen to music, and yeah, that's it.
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