The Darriel Roy Show - Mark Cuban Interview

Our host Darriel Roy interviews Billionaire entrepreneur, Mark Cuban

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Thank you so much for watching this shows all about
giving you insights and showcasing brands that help you to
live your best life and give you confidence. As always,
I want to kick out your morning. What's a motivational
advice to help you to feel inspired and energize to.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Start your day today.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
I want to talk about the importance of understanding that
your life is only.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
As good as your mindset.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
The reality is the way we think determines how we
experience life. For example, someone whose inner dialogue is filled
with empowering thoughts is more likely to see life with
a more positive lens than someone who simply lets their
mind roam. On autopilots, think of your mind as a
car and you being the driver. You can have the
most beautiful car in the lot, like a Porsche or Lamborghini,

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but if it's not driven and directed, it sits their idle. Similarly,
when we begin to be the driver of our lives,
we're able to steer our minds to work for us
rather than against us. Make your missions dates, commit to
becoming more self aware of your inner dialogue, and begin
to prioritize filling your mind with thoughts and affirmations that
make you feel powerful rather than feeling like a victim.

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Remember you are in the driver's seat at all times
and can steer your mind in a positive direction. As
Oprah Winfrey quotes, you want to be in the driver's
seed of your own life, because if you are not,
life will drive you. Next up on the show, we
have billionaire entrepreneur Mark Cuban, who you might recognize from
the hit TV series Shark Tank. Mark, thank you so
much for being on the show today.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
How are you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm cooking with you man, loving life? How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I am doing amazing. You know I've wanted to have
you on my show for so many years. I feel
like I manifested this experience. So thank you for being here.
It's exciting for me.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
It's exciting for me too. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
So Mark, you know you've always been an entrepreneur at heart.
I know at twelve years old you were going door
to door selling garbage bags. So tell us about that
entrepreneurial spirit.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
You know, my dad did a polstery on cars, like
if you had a rip in your car seat and
worp disass off all for his entire life.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
My mom did add job.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know. The way they raised me was if you're gonna,
if you're gonna, if you want something, you have to
figure out a way to get it yourself. And so
one day my dad was playing poker with his buddies
and I went in there to get some donuts I'll
never forget, and let's just say they had a bunch
of adult beverages. And so I was saying to my dad, like, Dad,
I want some new basketball shoes. And he looked down

(02:21):
at my feet he says, those shoes look like they
work really really well.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
When you have a job, you can buy whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
And one of his.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Drunk buddies pipes up. He said, I got something for you,
and I'm like what. He goes, I've got all these
boxes of garbage bags, and if you want to sell
them to your neighborhood, your neighborhood and your neighbors, I'll
let you sell them. I was like, cool, let's go.
And so they were boxes of one hundred garbage bags. Sorry,

(02:49):
I don't know what's going on with this tripile boxes
of one hundred garbage bags that I would buy for
three dollars and sell for six dollars.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
And literally, I would go door to door to be like, Hi.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
My name is Mark. Do you use garbage bags? I
would just kill it, right, No one's gonna say no.
Imagine this is a twelve year old thing. No one's
saying no to me. And it was a great experience.
But that's what gave me the entrepreneurial bug.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I feel like those are the kind of moments that
build character. I used to do the paper routs and
I thought because of that, I have so much discipline
and grits now because of that, those kind of experiences.
Right and Mark, right out of college, you founded the
company micro Solutions, and you sold it to each and
R Block, tell us about that milestone at such a
young age.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
After college, I had a little journey of my own
and then ended up in Dallas, Texas, and I was
living six guys in a three bedroom apartment, sleeping on
the floor. And my first job when I got to
Dallas was working as a bartender at a club called
a Lawns.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
And it was an okay job, but it wasn't my future.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
That's not what I wanted to be when I grew up,
and so I started going around looking for jobs and
found one at the software store. And I didn't really
have a tech background at the time, and so I
got interviewed by the owners and they were asked me,
and they were more concerned about my sales ability than
my technical ability, and it was like, Okay, come on in,

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we think you'll work. And I just took to it right,
and so it was going great. My sales were great,
and then one day I had a chance to close
this big deal of fifteen thousand dollars sale. I was
going to get a fifteen hundred dollars commission, which meant
I can move out of the shithole that I lived
in with five other guys. And so I went and

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at this job, a big part of my responsibility was
to sweep the floors, wipe down the windows, and open
the store when it opened. And I got somebody to
cover for me, and I called my boss and said, look,
I'm going to go pick up this check. It's going
to be fifteen thousand dollars. He goes, no, I need
you to be here, and I made the executive decision
to not listen to him and go get the check

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because I needed that commission.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Showed up with the check, you fired me.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
And I was like, okay, now I'm unemployed living in
a shithole, and I'm like, look, I'm just not a
good employee. It was very obvious. So I was going
to start my own company. So while I'm sleeping on
the floor, I found a company called Architectural Lighting. I
just threw referrals and I went up to him. I said, look,
I got nothing. I just got fired. But I know

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you want this software. It costs two hundred and fifty
dollars for me to buy. I don't have two hundred
and fifty. If you FROMPT ME two if you fromt
ME the five hundred dollars I promised you. If it
doesn't work, I'll sweep your floor, I'll wash your car,
I'll walk your dog.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Well, the goodness is that was the start of micro Solutions.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
And it worked, and I was twenty four years old.
And from there it just grew and grew and grew
and grew till we had eighty employees, thirty some million
dollar sales run rate, were profitable, and H and R.
Block came along and said, come on, we'll buy you,
and I said yes, please, wow, And that was.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
My first company. Micro solutions.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Wow, what an accomplishment. I mean from being broken, staying
on the floor and then doing having something like that,
That's that's incredible.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
You know, you know on Shark Tank, my buddy Damon
John always talks about the power of broke and to me,
you know, I didn't know it then, but it's so true.
I had nothing to lose. I literally had nothing to lose.
I had two suits that were polyester suits that I
bought for ninety nine dollars. I had no The rest
of my clothes I bought used, my ties, my shirts,

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you know, any type of dress pants I had, I
bought used.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
I bought knockoff polos that would tear.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
I mean, I had nothing, and so starting a company
with nothing was easy, right, I just had to find
that first customer.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, as Tony Robin says, in life, you need inspiration
or desperation, right, you need one of the two, and
sometimes desperation is the place to start, because, as you said,
you have the hunger to do so. So I want
to talk about the Dallas Mavericks. You show the Dallas
Mavericks for a three point five billion, and I know
that the Dallas Mavericks had the best record in the
NBA during that time. So tell us about that accomplishment

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as well as your passion for sports. I know you're
a sports guy.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
So when we sold broadcast dot Com to Yahoo, and
Broadcast dot Com, for those who don't know, was the
very first commercial streaming company. So there was a time,
believe it or not, where you couldn't do an interview
like this. There was no streaming, and so we started
that company.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Build it.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
So it was the yacht yacht the YouTube of the
late nineties early two thousand. Sold it, and when I
sold it, we.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Sold for stock.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
I was able to convert it to cash after a year,
and so I was like, Okay, now it's time to
live my dreams. You know, this has been a dream
so far. But I'm forty one years old. What do
I love to do? I love to play basketball. I'm
playing pickup almost every day at the gym. What would
be better than buying the Dallas Mavericks. So I'm sitting
at a game with my then girlfriend now wife. It's

(08:03):
the opening night of the ninety nine two thousand season,
and I'm looking around and it's not even sold out.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I mean, we're undefeated. You know, it's the first game
of the season. This is when you know the hype
should be the highest, and there was no energy.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I'm like, I can do better than this, and I'm
a huge basketball junkie. So found the right people, got
connected to the owner at the time, and bought the
Mavericks in January of two thousand for two hundred and
eighty five million dollars.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Wow, I mean, Mark, you're one of the most famous
American billionaires. I want to ask you. You know, as
an entrepreneur, it's not easy. People see want to become entrepreneurs,
but they have no idea how much grit, determination, and
failure it takes right.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
To be an entrepreneur. So one, are three traits.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
You would say that have made you successful as an entrepreneur,
because as you know, as we all know, it's not easy, right.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Great question Number one is I'm really curious.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
It's particularly in technology, things are always changing.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
So I always have had this burning DISI desire to learn.
My kids now are like, why you're reading, why you're reading?
Why are you online learning?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know, And it's because you know, if you're going
to be successful in business, that's what you have to
do because business is ever changing, and because it's ever changing,
you also have to be agile. You've got to be
able to adapt because there's always competition, there's always things changing.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
You know, now there's Ai. How is AI going to
impact my business?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
How is it going to what's the competition going to be?
So you've got to be agile as things change. And
to start a business, you got to know how to sell.
And I think that sometimes is the biggest inhibitor. You know,
and you're in this business that you have to sell.
You have to sell people to guests, you have to
sell sponsors. You always have to be selling. And you
know that there's never been a business in the history

(09:45):
of businesses that's ever succeeded without sales. So curiosity, agility,
and you know, the desire and the ability to learn
how to sell if you don't know already know that
is so true.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
And I think when you're passionate you learn how to sell,
as you know, as you said, like.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Inspiration or desperation.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think if you if you really want something and
you're passionate about it, you will figure out how to sell.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
You'll figure out right, you know, because every entrepreneur everybody
goes to that moment, and I have and I know
you have too. It was like, what the hell is
going on? You know, this is not what I thought
it would be. You know, it's harder, it's more frustrating.
I'm not making any money. I'm starving, and people are
laughing at me because I you know, I thought starting

(10:27):
a business would make me more money, and you know,
back then I would.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
I mean literally, when I was twenty seven years.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Old, I looked at my bank account, I went to
the ATM and I wanted to check what I had
and it was zero zero. Couldn't take a nickel out.
And so you reached that frustration point, and you just
always have to remind yourself why you started. You know
that you're I wasn't a good employee that I wanted
to be an entrepreneur. I knew it wouldn't be easy,
but you know, I had to remind myself that's the

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way it goes.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
If it was easy, everybody would do it.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, Mica, I'm want to ask you, you know, what's one
thing that drives you? Now that you have the money
that obviously doesn't drive you. What drives you to keep
succeeding and you know, to keep going after these big dreams.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I'm competitive, you know. To me, business is a sport.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
The difference is like when when the rapt play the MAVs,
it's forty eight minutes and then the game's over.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
You go on to the next game.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
And business sports, you know, you compete twenty four hours
a day, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty
five days a year forever. And to me, that's exciting,
the ability to know that there's you know, I used
to be the young kid when I started micro Solutions.
I was always the youngest one in the room, and
I had to prove myself. Now the oldest one in
the room, and I have to prove myself. And so

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that excitement and that juice that comes from competing, that's
what gets me going.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I love that you said that that you still have
to prove yourself, that you have the mentality that you
know you still have to evolve and grow. I think
that's where people, you know, stop growing, is when they think,
you know, they they've accomplished everything.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
They don't need to prove themselves. I love that you
said that.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
When you're doing something you love to do, it just
makes it easy. Yeah, and I love to compete. I
love to learn, but not with costplus Drugs dot Com.
I get to help people, you know, I get to
reduce the cost of their medication. So when you find
something that's also motivating to you internally, that makes it
even better.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
And of course you were shark on sharks haying for
many years.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
You still are.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
You know, how's it been seeing these entrepreneurs grow and
using your expertise to help them?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, it's fun. I mean it's been amazing, you know.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
You know, you guys have dragons dand in Canada and
just everybody's got this fire inside of them that to
start a business. The hard part is figuring out, you know,
when to start and how to start. And when someone
has gone through the process enough to get on that
carpet in front of us and pitch us on television
in front of tens of millions of people, that says

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a lot.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
And I really respect that.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
I don't know if I would have been able to
do it at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
And so to be there, excuse me, not.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Only to help these companies, but to watch them set
an example to everybody who's watched I can't tell you, Darik,
how many times people have come up to me and said.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Okay, I started watching you as a kid.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Because the show is going into a sixteen season, I
started watching you as a kid, and you, guys, I've
learned so much and you inspired me to start a business.
That's what it's all about. That's, to me, is the
most exciting part.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
And one thing that I love about you is that
you're humble. I feel like, even though you've accomplished so much,
you're still really humble. I remember I met you so
many years ago at the NBA All Star Weekend in Toronto.
I was waiting for Snoop Dogg to come out, and
you came out, and I was so starstruck because for me,
entrepreneurs are people I really respect. And I took a
picture with you and you thanked me after, and I

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was thinking, Wow, what a nice guy. How have you
remained humble all these years after despite all your success.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
A lot of my friends would tell you, I'm not humble.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's okay to be confident, yeah, you know, But.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
To me, I try to never take it for granted.
I mean, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. It's
just It's insane to me that some kid from Pittsburgh
who you know, just grew up in a normal, middle
class family could get to this point, you know, just
a situation that's beyond.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
My wildest dreams. So I never want to take it
for granted.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
And honestly, you know, I say this to people a lot,
but you are who you are when you are who
you are when you're poor, That's who you are, right
And if you get money, why would you change?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
You know? The people that you know?

Speaker 4 (14:26):
When I was struggling, I think I still had the
same personality. And if you talk to my friends, they
would tell you I'm the same idiot now as I
was then, you know. And I you know, I have
the same friends. My friends from high school, my friends
from college, my friends from playing rugby, my friends from
when I first came to Dallas. Those guys are my
buddies still. And so it's really easy just to be myself.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I love that the power of authenticity, right, yeah, for sure?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
And Mark, what.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Does success mean to you? After achieving so much success?
What does it mean to you now?

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Just being able to wake up with a smile, you know,
having a healthy family, and you know, I have three
teenagers basically, and so that's a battle just trying to
you know, deal with that and you know, stay connected
to my kids. That's what success is for me. I mean,
I don't have to ever worry about money. They don't
have to worry about money. Their kids don't have to
worry about money. So it creates its own other challenges.

(15:19):
You know, how do you keep them humble? How do
you keep them grounded? And so to me, success is
just knowing, you know that my kids care my kids,
you know that my kids respect my wife and I.
You know, it's just more family related things and you know,
just knowing that we have love in our family.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
That's just like the best thing ever.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
And what's something that got you through failure in your life?
Because I feel like so many people, entrepreneurs, everybody, just
anybody in life, you know, once they experience failure, especially
if it keeps happening, which it does, that's.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Part of life, right, we give up.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
What's something that's been a mindset that you have that's
kind of helped you to persevere when you fail.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, it's a great question. You know.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
What I used to tell myself is, you know, number
one in sales, every note gets you closer to a yes.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
And two, it doesn't matter how many times you fail.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
You only have to be right one time, and everybody
tell calls you an overnight success. Right. How many years
did you work on building your show to this point?
And now you know you are where you are? But
people don't care about that journey. But we all fail,
like you said, we all can fail a lot, but
nobody remembers your failures. You don't know about that powdered
milk company I started. You don't know about any of

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the things I did that failed. You know, you, when
you see people that have been successful, you see their successes.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
You don't see their multitude of failures.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
And so I would just remind myself all you got
to do is get it one time, Just get it
right one time, and then anything is possible.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
And that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
You know, no means next opportunity, right, it means the
next opportunity.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
You gotta keep going.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And Mark, let's talk about your latest company. I know
you're in the health industry now, so tell us about
that company.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Sure, glad you asked, So you know in the United States,
in particular, the healthcare system is mess. You know, you
don't know what things cost. You don't know what your
prescription medication costs. So we created a company called costplus
Drugs dot Com. And what we wanted to do that's
been different is we're transparent. When you go to costplus
Drugs dot Com and you put in the name of
the medication, we carry.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
About twenty five hundred of them. So if we carry.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Your medication, the first thing you see is our cost
We show you exactly what we pay for it. The
second thing you see is our markup. We mark up
our medications fifteen percent. Then you see if it's mail order,
the shipping costs, and then the cost we pay the
pharmacy to check everything to make sure it's right.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
And being transparent like that.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
That was the first time in the healthcare industry that
anybody was completely transparent and published a price list. And
what that did that's so different and has allowed us
to make it become so successful, is that it allowed
people to trust us because typically here in the United
States and even to a certain extent in Canada, when
you walk in and you get a prescription for a

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med if it's a certain type of medication, you don't
know what it's going to cost, you know, even today
and in the US, no matter what the medication is,
if you're paying yourself, it's.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Terrifying not to know.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
I mean, we've all heard stories of people in pharmacies
here in the States or waiting in line and then
getting there and realizing they can't afford their medication. You know,
that's just heartbreaking. And so by having only a fifteen
percent markup, more people can afford us. And that's been
life changing.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Literally. There's been drugs that I had.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
A friend of Landing and he unfortunately had been in
a horrific car accident and he has to take this
drug called droxadopa.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
I don't even know what it does, but he had.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Lost his insurance and emailed me and said, Mark, here's
the situation. Because I lost my insurance, I'm gonna have
to pay ten thousand dollars every three months for this drug.
Could do you guys carry it? And that time we
were just getting started, did not carry it. I'm like, Landing,
let me check.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I check.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Our guys find it. I'm like, you know, what's our
cost market of fifteen percent? What are we going to
charge Land and he goes, Okay, it'll be sixty four
times three, one hundred and ninety two dollars every three months.
Sixty four dollars a month. Yeah, that's just life changing.
I literally have had people walk up to me crying
and hug me because the cost of their medications went
from two thousand plus dollars for their chemotherapy medication down

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under thirty dollars.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah. I mean Canada is a little bit better, but
the US.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm so glad you have a solution for that because
people are dying too because they can't afford healthcare.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
So I love that you have a solution for that.
We're going to link that information for our viewers as well.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Please do thank you sake it.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, get involved, And I want to ask you. You know,
I created my platform to inspire, to uplift, and I
want to ask you for anyone that's watching this that
is maybe on the cusp of giving up their you know,
they they're putting in the work, they're not seeing results,
or they're just feeling unmotivated, what would you say to
inspire them?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
It happens to everybody.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
It happens to everybody, and you've got to find that
one thing that allows you to refresh.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
For me was playing basketball.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
If things weren't going well at work, still I'll go
play basketball. And you know, if I have to give
somebody an elbow or shoulder, kind of like reduce my stress.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
But for me, it's always.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
That sound of the ball going through the net that
just put me at peace.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
You got to find what that one thing is.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
You know, people meditate, that's always great, take yoga, work out, read, whatever.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
It may be.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
But once you can just rejuvenate your mind right and
rejuvenate your internal energy, then okay, you can start again.
Because if you quit, man, there's nothing worse than the
pain of regret.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Almost I just would have stayed with it, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
And sometimes look, sometimes the economics force you to quit.
You know, the bills are ten and you only got nine.
That's just the way it goes. That's happened to me,
it happens to a lot of entrepreneurs and CEOs. If
you can't afford to keep going, you can't afford to
keep going. But where there's sweat equity involved and it's
all you and you can afford to keep going, the

(20:58):
pain of regret looking back in five years, ten years,
twenty years and thinking, oh my goodness, why did I stop.
That's far worse because that's complete uncertainty, and that's just agonizing.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
That is very true.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
You know, you never know when you're on the cusp
of just trying one more time and succeeding.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Right for sure, no time.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
That one threat, you know, that one leverage point is right,
that one customer that walks in.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
And I can't tell you how many times.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
At micro Solutions, right it was like, oh my god,
we're struggling. We just need that one more, that one more,
that one more, and thinking this is the one and
it wasn't. This is the one, and it wasn't, and
that bam, there it was and it catapulted us.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, and Mark, you know, I have a lot of
young viewers that watch my show, young entrepreneurs all over
the world. So I want to ask you right now,
who who are you kind of leaning toward politically because
it might help someone watching And why.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah. I like Kamala Harris. I just trust her. You know.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Donald Trump is who he is, we know who he is.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I know what he's like in business.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
I'm just not a fan of the way he does business,
And to me, if I can't trust you in business,
I can't trust you in.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
The White House.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Well, Kamala Harris is not a business person, per se.
I just trust her. She's more open, she's more uplifting,
she's more candid, she's not as mean or negative.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
You know, it comes down to this, who would you.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
You know, if you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old and
you said to your parents, who would you like me
to be like Kamala Harris or Donald Trump? Or you're
older and you have kids, who would you like your
children to be like Kamala Harris or Donald Trump?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
To me, the choice is easy.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I like that analysis. If I can't trust you in business,
then how yeah, how are you supposed to trust the one?
That's an interesting way of putting it. And Mark, what
are your current projects?

Speaker 1 (22:53):
What are you currently working on?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Costplus drugs A lot?

Speaker 4 (22:56):
I'm working on my jump shot a lot and working
out but really costless drugs, and really trying to get
up to speed on artificial intelligence because you know, I've
invested in so many companies right now that trying to
find ways to help them and help them understand how
to use AI because you know, as we go forward,
there's only gonna be two types of companies in this world,

(23:18):
those who are great at AI and everybody else, and
everybody else are going to struggle. Now, there's a lot
of challenges in figuring out how to use AI, and
I strongly recommend, even if you're just doing it for
your homework, go to Chat, GPT, Perplexity, Gemini by Google
and play with it as much as you can and
learn to see what it's good at and what it's

(23:39):
not good at. And actually, if you have a business idea,
plug it in there with as much detail as you
can write and say, write a business plan for it. Chat, GPT,
all of them will give you a good foundation to
work from. It won't be a perfect business plan. You
still have to ask You still have to ask it.
You still have to give it enough information to make

(23:59):
it work while and check for the mistakes.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
But it's a great way to learn it and a
great place to start.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Absolutely, Mark, thank you so much for being on the
show today. I really appreciate it. It's really an honor
for me, So thank you and congratulations and all your success.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Thanks, it's an honor for me too. Thanks for having
me on and thanks for your persistence. It's been what
three years we've been talking about this.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Maybe wronger it has it has been.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
That's that's the you know what, If anyone can take
away from this interviews, Persistence wins pay, Persistence pays