Coming Home

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Janey solidifies her base of power.Darryl has a job to do before you
can return to America. You're withthe Darryl Dixon Podcast. Hey, guys,

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what's up? What's up? Done? Oh, you know, it's
the ague of the season. We'vewanted that we've got here. I know,
I like, I have so manyfeelings about it. I'm I'm quite
happy because not that I haven't enjoyedcovering this season, but this, both

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this and our cruel summer season areending at the same time, which means
that I'm I'm gonna get a littlebit of a break. So yeah,
you can breathe again. Yeah,I'm very excited. Nice will be your
summer. Yeah, that is.But it's sad. Yeah, I mean

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not entirely sad, because I'm I'mreally excited about you know, just start
getting more season two dudes. Yeah, definitely, And you know we'll get
to all that later. But yeah, you know, we've got some We've
got lots of fun season two stuffto talk about that we're really excited about.

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Definitely. Yeah, we have togang this chapter before we beginning the
new chapter. Yes, And canI just say that whatever happens in season
two I really really hope that wesee more of Janey and Sylvie and flu

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because yes, I think they're Ireally think they're my favorites. Yeah,
my two mine too. I want. I expected there to be more Sylvie
than there was, and I reallyloved twice solve her so far, and
I want I want more for herthan just kissing a boy. I know,
I know, I really just youknow what I want when you know,

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I want. I want Darryl to, I want Daryl to just You're
like, hey, Sylvie, haveyou ever wanted to go to America?
Come back? Sylvie and Lydia Iwould be best friends. Let's let's have
them together. Could you imagine?That would be awesome? That would be

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so cool, That would be amazing. And I think Condron as well after
this episode, definitely is multi layered. He's not just the terminator style,
I'm coming after you until you diekind of guy. He's got some other
stuff going on and that's really interesting. So I hope we you know,

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we like a multi layered bad guywho's maybe a little bit good, you
know, it's always a good Yeah. I mean, he might be a
fugitive next season, you know,he might. Yeah, I don't know
what here his future lies in termsof what his what side he's going to
be on, and and if he'sgoing to be on anybody said other than

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his own. Who knows. Hemay just be a lone figure. But
I'm excited for for Qundron's story.I really like him. I think the
actors really holds your you know,he's magnetic on screen. He's got that
look that's just scanny, but youcan tell there's something more to you know,
like him, like, oh gosh, his name is father up my

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head, merl, Michael, Michaelwhatever, he's Michael Records, thank ye,
I apologize. Michael Records just completelyforgot Michael Rooker. You know,
he has that ability to be reallycold and really stealing, but there's there's
some kind of something else going onunderneath it, and that's really interesting hopefully

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to see more of that. Yeah, you know, and he's you know,
he said not today, Dixon,and it may yeah, he may
sound like, you know, I'llbe coming for you later, but I
don't think he will be. No, no, well not no, it's
not the way we left him is. He's certainly not going to be in
no fit state. He got hislast cigarette. But I'm assuming he'll will

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he escape to me? Will heescape or will Jeanney decide to work with
him in some way or I don'tknow, you know, no idea how
he's going to get out of that. So that's an interesting cliffhanger for him
because in some ways you could justassume, oh, well, he's been
dragged off to be killed, butwe know he's in season two, so

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he's not. So that that definitelyleads you with an interesting question. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure, He's onethat I would love to that I
would love to get on the show. Yeah, an interview, ye like
him engineer that they they'd be interestingonce to tattoo definitely, Yeah, all
great, Well why don't we jumpinto it? Okay, so here we

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are, episode six, the finale, coming Home, and we were just,
you know, why is it notin French? We don't know,
but we open on the beach inFrance in World War two. Talk about
a flashback. This is this isthis is the back East flash we've ever
had. Do you remember when thecast and call Yes, I was just

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going to say that, Yeah,we all assumed it was going to be
a flashback to Daryl in his twenties, and it's not it was somebody to
look a bit like Daryl, becauseit's Daryl's grandfather. I mean, people
were like, people thought it wasa joke because like the way it sounded

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sounded really kind of strange and ridiculous, and yeah, like what what the
hell is this much cooler? Yeah? And I mean I think as well,
it was kind of like funny becauseof you know, there are some
fans who for some reason our ageblind. And I've always said, oh,

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no, like Daryl's like in hislate twenties. Really are you sure
about that? Nofense? But hehas a gray beard. Yeah, So
you know, them saying we werelooking for somebody to look like Daryl in
his twenties was ripen, But yes, they wanted him to look like Norman.
Read this. Because it's Daryl's grandfatherwe see on the beach World War

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two. I assume it's Omaha beatand he is dead, and we hear
the panting of Dixon Dixon. Thenthis is the I suppose we could say,
this is the core thread that's gonethrough is this story of Daryl's grandfather
that he came to France and didn'tmake it off the beach and that is
the proof of it. And there'sa lot of talk of his grandfather through

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the episode. So the chanting ofDaryl's name of Dixon, Dixon takes us
back to the fighting pit where Darrylis facing off with that crazy Hannibal Lecter
Walker who with the the you know, they take the mask off. They've
shot him up with the dark withthe serum of whatever it does that makes
them super aggressive, and Daryl swingsat it and we see it's like a

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boss fight on a game. Youknow. It starts off Darryl and he
kills the boss and you think thisis the end. No, it's not.
And then they bring out four ofthem, but they also bring out
Quinn, and I really love that. I have to say, the scene
of Quinn and the Darryl fighting togetherin the it just made me think.

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I wish Quinn had been the personhe'd been paired up with instead of Isabelle.
Not because of Clemens posy or notbecause of romance reasons, but just
he had such great chemistry with Quinnand that would have been so interesting,
that kind of argumentative banter. Butthey have to work together, you know,
a bit like Dead City, abit like that dynamic you know of

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Meagan and Maggie. I would haveloved to see Quinn and Daryl working together
because they just had brilliant chemistry inthat scene. And I did love that
Daryl stabbed the first walker in thehead with a with a flag. How

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symbolic is that. It's so funny. Oh my god, which is so
good. He was planting his flaghe should have been, you know,
he's Americans, you know, oneAmerican flag for him to go. Yeah,

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they and I really love that.Judy is like, you know,
to the professor guy the scientists,like is that all you've got? And
he's like, as well, no, no, we're still working on it.
Bannie, Quinn and Daryl work together, the chain together, and they

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huffted work together to survive. Theydo some great acrobat It's a really good
action scene. It looked like itwas from The Hunger Games or some other
movie. And I love the waythat eventually they just popped that walker's head
off, just tie the chain aroundand squeeze, and eventually they succeed and

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the booze that were from the audienceturned to chairs Daryl's you know succeeding.
They start chanting digs Diggs in andJenny is not happy because the whole point
of it was to show their powerand show that they have power over these
foreign internovers and you know, andthen give power to their group rather than

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to the Union of Hope. ButDarryl, I thought it was very over
the top, but I kind ofcheesy, but kind of in a good
way. When Daryl takes the Walker'shead and throws e Jenny, I knew
you would love that. That wastotally up your street. It was hilarious.

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It totally was like mad Max,you know, he's the champion,
you know, very funnier. Andyou know, they said they wanted this
to be different from The Walking Deadand that whole bit, that whole bit
from episode five, episode six withthe stuff on the boat and then the
stuff on the fiving. But Ithought, yeah, this doesn't feel like

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the Walking Dead. This feels likesomething different, and in a good way,
you know what I mean, notin a negative way. It felt
it felt more not expensive in termsof visuals, because obviously it wasn't,
but I mean in terms of ideas, that a bigger picture, a bigger
world where all these more outlandish thingscould happen. So poor Jenny it hasn't

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gone her way. So she callsout the firing squad to kill Dixon.
But before they can hello, ourfavorite man of the r Bleu and his
men are in the crowd, andthey shoot first and chaos ensues. Everybody
starts running. Isabelle and Laurent aretaken by Jenny and put in a cell,

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well, you know, for theirown protection, but no, she
doesn't want them running away, andLaurn attacks a guard but you know,
he's overpowered quickly and Isabelle I waslike, oh, why did you do
that? And he said, oh, it's what Daryl would do, you
know, to show us how muchhe's been influenced by Daryl already. And

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in the scuffle, Isabelle managed tograb the keys, so she was using
her our skills that she developed inthe past and got the keys so they
can let themselves out. Well,yeah, I would like to see more
of that. I think that's youknow, we both said about the writing
about Isabelle is that it was veryinconsistent and that she was skilled sometimes and

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then other times seemingly not. AndI liked that. They went, yeah,
Let's remember she was a really skilledfief. So let's show show that,
you know, definitely like she andCarroll would get along great. Like
yeah, in those terms, wemay see how that, whether they do

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or not live, se pull offthe heights together really well, oh yes,
oh totally yes. Forget about DaraldDixon's we're the ones with the brains.
So Lauren is losing faith as well. He says, oh, you
know, maybe God has abandoned us. But meanwhile, Quinn and Darryl have

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run out into the caves. They'veescaped from the in the all the mess
of people, and Darryl puts hishand on Quinn's shoulder and sees he's has
a wound. And I thought itwas a bite. Is it a bite?
But Quinn says, no, no, it's just a burn. I

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couldn't I couldn't tell. I thoughtit was a I thought it was a
burn. But okay, maybe it'sa burn. Action still travels pretty quickly.
Yeah, I'm guessing that. Yeah, they must dire must have been
very lucky in how his didn't becauseas she said, you know, we
would have had to we sealed thewounds, the bird, the wind,

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so that otherwise it would have spread, so he was lucky that the Nun's
got to Yeah, so Quinn's timeis numbered basically, and there they want
to get out, but of coursethere's guards everywhere, and Quinn has basically
given up, and he says,you know that, I was like,
come on, we're going I'm notdying here. And Quinn's like, well,

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you've got to die someplace. Whatdoes it matter, you know?
And Dar's like it matters to me, which I really liked that. I
hadn't caught that the first time Iwatched it, and I thought that was
really good. You know, He'sdetermined not to die in France, and
as Laurent said that when they werewalking through the cemetery, don't worry,
mister Dixon, you won't die inFrance. And as we say, the

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start we had this, his grandfatherdied there. So this is something that's
so important to Darrel. He doesn'twant to be this this to be his
end. So Quinn talks about hisregrets about Isabelle, that he wishes he
had done better. He really thoughthe could win her back this time,
and Daryl's like, you used yourown kid, But Quinn is like oh,

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you know, he wanted to dobetter and he wanted to be a
better man for her, and Darylsays, you know you still can do
something good. You can give mea head start if you are willing to
basically sacrifice yourself. So they doa metal and cut off Quinn's hands so
that Dark can be freed from thechains, and Quinn says, you'll make

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sure promise to tell Isabelle you knowwhat I thought of her and Daryl.
So Daryl escapes Isabelle and Lorona inthe tunnels and Daryl goes outside and he's
found a car where his I'm assumingit's his stuff that's in the car because
that was his knife, wasn't it, So I'm assuming that's his bag of

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stuff he found. And he meetsup with Flu and Meal and Sylvie and
he lou promises to get a carstarted ready for him. Darl goes back
for Isabelle and Lauren and he findsthem, but unfortunately they're separated by a
gate, just like in the dreamhe had with Lauren. But it is

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Isabelle who's at Resk because Walker Quinnsadly shows up. Quinn has died and
turned and he shows up and triesto kill Isabelle, and Laurn is stopped
and freezes and doesn't know what todo. And I really liked Norman Readers
is acting in this scene. Ihave to say he is. Yeah,
I thought it would really stood outto me, the way he's imploring Lauren,

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you can do this, you canfor you can do it, and
you know, and he says Godwill forgive you. He knows this kid
and knows what he is holding himback. And I thought it was a
really good scene for Darryl and forNorman. So let's have more like that.

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And Lauren does manage to come throughand he kills his father, Quinn,
but who's already a walker and saysIsabelle and so they can all escape
together. Uh, And so theydo at that point, and the next
thing we say there they've stopped someplacein the in the woods and Emil and

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Sylvie are saying they're goodbyes and pleaseSylvie, I don't trust anybody else.
Yeah, but it's a scene thatis very reminiscent of Daryl and Carol's goodbye

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in the sense of that's the samething. He says he's got to leave
to go on a mission he's got, you know, compared to do this,
and he wishes she was coming withhim, but you know, they'll
see each other again, and thenthey kiss. That's the that's the only
difference between Daryl and Carol. Theydidn't they said I love you. Sylvie
wasn't ready to say I love youto a meal, but you know,

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she didn't want to kiss up.So then and Lauren is poor, you
know, sitting contemplating. He's lookingat Aslan's watch and he's looking a bit
sad and mournful about obviously what he'sgot just gone through. So they get
into the deep and you know,Sylvie says to Darryl a question that I

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don't think many people would ask himon in their his fifties. But let's
team the world. Let's pretend probablysay have you ever been in love?
And I did love the face hemade, which is kind of like,
yeah, that's the story, buthe doesn't say anything. You just changed

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his gear and Toddie's own. Whatdid you think about his reaction to that?
Yeah? I yeah, no,I I just I thought it was
interesting that that she asked him thatright after that scene. Yeah, yeah,
you know, yeah, oh,goodbyes. Yeah, especially considering that

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that Darryl's Darryl's had one girlfriend thathe never said that to. Yes,
yeah, and I love you toone woman. Yes. I don't know.

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Let's say what season two brings,shall he? But I thought I
was interesting. I do wish theywould have Darryl say something occasionally. You
know, there's so many times whenhe's been asked a question and he never
answers it, you know, likehe did kind of an answer Abraham when
he said, you know, didyou ever think about settling down? And

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but Darrel just brushes off with anotherquestion. Or you know, when Carol
says to Daryl about Connie, whynot and he's like nothing, you know,
and all these times he doesn't answer, and I'm like, well,
you put words in his mouth,please, so he does so hopefully in

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season two he will start to explainthese things. But meanwhile, in the
back of the deep is a bellesaying to larn you know, God will
forgive you for what you done.You had to do it, and he
says, oh, it's okay.He wasn't my father. And you know,
sometimes you have to do awful thingsjust because that's the only choice.

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You have basically, and then theirjeep breaks down, their car breaks down,
mechanic Daryl gets out to try andfix it, and he's it makes
Isabelle start chatting and she talks abouthis grandfather. He tells her about his

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grandfather. He died for France andyes, but he didn't make it off
the beach, and Daryl is sayingthat he in doing so, he abandoned
his family. He left his pregnantwife enlisted. It wasn't a force,
he wasn't conscripted, and so heleft his his pregnant wife, Daryl's grandmother,

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and it led to the destruction ofhis family because an absent father led
to his father being abusive and andthat's the cycle of abuse. And so
Daryl doesn't believe in in this,this idea that fighting for somebody else's is
war is not his thing. Andbut meanwhile, sort of Isabelle kind of

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was trying to put the other hat, the other side to him, and
she's saying, you know you,but you've changed Lauren so much since she
met and he's saying, no,no, it's just kids grow up,
nothing to do with me. Andthen Isabelle says, I've got something to
tell you, and Isabelle confesses thatshe lied about the drawing that she showed

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Darryl and in the Abby in episodeone, telling him, look, Laurent
drew this of you, you know, before you came and stuff, and
she admits it was all lies.She'd got him to draw it after Daryl
was there, that this is atopic we're going to return to later in

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the episode. But yeah, yeah, but why is this being presented as
just fine behavior. I don't understandthe writing of this. That is not
an okay thing to do. That'snot a brushing off the kind of thing.
And Darreld just goes, well,you know, I'm here, I'm
an eye and it wasn't because ofthat drawing. But like, I don't

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understand why they're making Isabelle do thisstuff, and yet they want us to
be on her side. I'm assumingthey want us to be on her side.
I'm sorry, I don't Yeah,yeah, I know, I don't
know. I don't know. It'seither the worst writing or they don't want

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us to be on her side,yeah, or there I mean, or
maybe they're just trying to make surethat we don't get too attached to her
because maybe you know, she's notgoing to be around much like, yeah,
I don't know. I'm confused.I don't understand it. I don't

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understand that. I mean, maybeonce we see the post episode from interviews
from from David C. Bell,because obviously Norman is still restricted by the
strike, you can't talk about it, but maybe it will be clearer then.
But nothing that's come out today,let me let me put it that
way, has made it any clearerand said, you know, yeah,

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Isabelle, it's not behaving the bestor Isabella is you know, manipulating them
when she shouldn't. And even ifthey explained it as this is because of
her religious belief, that she's sofervent, you know, the way some
people have faked seeing a Madonna statuecrying, you know, because they wanted
that to be true, and sothey think, well, it's okay to

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do it for these purposes, youknow, if they if she's doing out
of believing that this is what ismeant meant to be for the word Lauren
or whatever, but it's not clearthat that's what it is. And I
just hate it, like that's somebodylying like that, even somebody you loved,
you it would be hard to take. But somebody you barely knew,

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I'd be like, oh, whatthat you lied to me to get me
to stay in this country? TheI mean, the only thing that I
can think about is the only thingthat I can think of as to I
mean, we can, you know, we can speculate on a million different

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reasons as to why they would likehave her do that and why they want
and what they want us to thinkabout her. But as far as Darryl's
response to it, I mean,I'm not I'm not entirely I guess I'm

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actually not entirely that surprised because Darrel'sa pretty practical person. Yeah, And
I don't know that this is necessarilya situation where it where it helps anything
for him to get pissed off aboutit, because no, that's very true.

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Yeah, he I mean, heagreed, he agreed to take Laurent
to the nest to help get Laurentto the nest so he could get a
boat. The picture didn't really necessarilyhave all that much to do with it.
Yeah, And I guess that's whatyou're saying. I'm here and that
wasn't the reason. So it doesn'tmatter because it was pointless in the end.

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It didn't make my mind up yet, I get you, and it
didn't, like it's not a situationthat that would have like made a difference
in a catastrophic way or something likeno, no, you know, like
Eugene lying about yeah, you know, yes, of course, yeah,

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people died trying to get him there, you know. Yeah. Yeah,
and I still love Eugene, soI forgive Eugene for that. So but
you know, and he's also becomereally attached to Laurent, so yeah,
like he kind of in a wayfelt like he got something out of it
there too. So yes, I'mnot entirely surprised on that part. I'm

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more surprised that they just I don'tknow, yeah, you should have given
him more of a reaction, justyeah, to be like, yeah,
just to be the voice of theaudience almost, you know, yeah,
yeah, totally, or at leastto take a moment and go right,
okay. But yeah, but itdidn't make much difference in the end,

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So let's just forget you know,just to take a moment. But but
he didn't, So we'll get tothat. We're almost at the halfway point
of the episode. Darryl says towhen he says to it is a belle,
you know, But that's fine becauseI'm here, and can you pass
me a wrench because he's under thecar at this point, and she doesn't
answer, and she doesn't answer,and he gets out and all alone behold.

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Coudron and his men have been sentby Jeannie to track down Darryl and
all of them, and of courseshe's given Cordron the job to kill Daryl
so that the others are captured.Isabelle tries to fight office soldier and he
stabs her in the shoulder, andDarryl is on the ground begging for you

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know, please, no, justtake me, leave them, And the
whole time Sylvie is praying out loudin French, and Coudron takes the gun
and he's holding it and he's aboutto shoot Lauren, and Lauren says God
loves you in French and Caudron can'tdo it, and immediately he was bam

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bam, bam bam bang. Buthe shoots all his own mind in a
surprise move, and he's letting themgo, but he says, you know,
not today, Dixon, but Iwill be coming for you. Basically,
and then he looks at the watch, Lauren's well as Lan's watch,
and he says, oh, thenest, Oh it's it's you know,

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it's just less than a day's walkand tells them to burn their jeep so
they don't get tracked, and whichis a very very still a callback to
still when the four of them arestanding watching it burn, just like Daryln
Beth stood and watched the cabin burnand still, so I'm sure the best

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fans will be very happy about aboutthat scene and that. Yeah, and
then so we see them poor Isabel'sgot our arm tied up and that's the
that that night, and they're they'regoing to walk towards the nest. Yeah,
the and I just have to pointout as as they're walking toward the

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nest, uh, Sophie Hunger's uhlevant new por Terra is playing. I
love this songs. Oh really,I love this song. I'm just I'm
a big I'm a big fan ofof like I I'm a big fan of
of a lot of French music andand just like this is I love this

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kind of I love this kind ofmusic particular. But but yeah, so
it's you know that song is playingas they're kind of continuing on on their
way to the nest, and Ilove how when they get there, everybody
just happens to be hanging like outthere, you know, just waiting.

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I mean, they can't necessarily seethem coming, but I'm assuming one of
the pigeons called Hedge, told themthey were coming, because they know they
calls the listeners. Strain called them, you know, mister Dixon, so
he knows they're coming. But it'sthe fat They literally were all waiting there

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with the lads of flowers for them. Yes, yeah, so they you
know, they they they greet themall with flower lays and Daryl's Darryl.
Daryl's got a big smile on hisface by checking it out. It's kind
of cool. Uh. Lassan comesout and seems very very friendly. Turns

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out he's from Hobook in New Jersey, and uh seems very very friendly,
very charismatic. Totally do not trustthe guy. I think I've had it
out for this guy ever since hisname was mentioned. And you know,

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if if season two comes along andI'm wrong, I will be happy to
admit it. But I there's there'sand I don't know if it's just because
he pissed me off in this episode, but I just I don't trust him.
But so yeah, they take Isabelle, you know, over to get

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get patched up, and Lussan introduceshimself to Darryl, and we later see
Isabelle waking up with her arm ina sling. She goes out to the
balcony and she sees Daryll showing somepeople how to shoot, and he looks

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over. There's this kind of startsa montage of what they are very very
deliberately making look like there's something romanticgoing on with with Darryl and Isabelle.
She walks out in the balcony andDarryl's Darryl is teaching some people how to

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shoot, and he looks up ather just as Laurent is running up.
Just as Laurent is running up toher, and he gives her a hug
and and like he just kind ofhe kind of watches the two of them
for a while. And uh,later on, everyone's sitting at dinner,

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and uh, you know he amDaryl's kind of watching kind of stares over
and smiles at Isabelle and Laurent.Later on he's he's uh sitting outside kind
of goofing around with Laurent and Sylvieand and Isabelle walk by and just kind

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of observe them, and they're they'resmiling. We then see Darryl peeling some
peeling some potatoes, and uh,well, Isabelle and Laurent are in a
lesson and he you know, theyboth kind of smile across the room at
each other, and uh so,so here's my my my thoughts on this.

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Okay, I I really when Ithe first time I saw this,
I was like, oh god,no, why why, why are they?
Why are they going here? Whyare they going here? Okay?
I I say this for a numberof different reasons. First of all,
I'm a non shipper traditionally. II hate when every time there's a man

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and a woman in a show,they have to put them together. It
just drives me up a wall.I hate it. I hate it.
Oh my God, Like I justI can't stand it. It's just not
I'm sorry. I'm not into romancefor various reasons. But I I do
ship Daryl and Carroll for a lotof other reasons, but that has nothing

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to do with us. I amnot a fan of Isabelle primarily because of
this episode. But I but thething is, the this whole montage I

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think was set up very They werevery smart about how they They wanted people
to think like, Okay, theremight be something happening between the two of
them, but Larn, every timethey were looking over to each other and
smiling. Laurent was in every shot, every single shot. And and I'm

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going to get I'm going to kindof expand on that more when we get
to Lisang, who, Yeah,pissed me off quite a bit for the
same reason Isabelle pissed me off inthis episode, And yeah, I just
wanted to say, yeah, Ihad the same thoughts. I thought,
why are we seeing this montage?What was the point of this other than
showing passage of a few days orforever fall Isabelle's healing and they're getting Donald's

(36:45):
because when they arrived, you know, Donald is strong said, you know,
we were going to sort of aboat for you. You kept your
promise whatever, you know, assoon as he arrives, they're talking about
that. So it is still Iknow that that. You know, there's
some question in some of the reviewsand things that said, oh, you

(37:05):
know, Darrel at this point isthat is conflicted about going and we'll again,
we'll talk about this later as well, but at that point he is
still yes, I'm getting a boat. Yes, yes, thank you give
me a boat. And so whenI saw the this this bit with with
you know, the passage of timewhile he's waiting for his boat, and

(37:28):
I thought, why are they doingthis? Don't don't do this? But
I think I have established in myselfthat you're exactly right. Two things they
want us to think. Is theregoing to be a romance, because they
want to put that question in yourmind, is that are going to choose
to stay? And as you say, I think that it's also that they're

(37:49):
cleverly put Lauren in it. Andit reminds me of when Carol accepted is
Eq's proposal. You know, sheshe had been very negt tim about it
and put that way whatever, andthen she sits and she's looking at Henry
and she says, Okay, yeah, you know, because Henry was part
of that deal and it was partof her decision. I'm not saying it's

(38:13):
in her entirely her that was whyit was all because of Henry. It's
not but he was part of it, and I think that's what is happening
here as well. You know,Darryl is looking at Lauren as well as
Isabelle. But we're meant to go, oh, hang on, are they
liking each other? But we'll see, we'll see what I will discuss more

(38:34):
later. Yeah, Darryl and Isabelleis not happening people, Okay, yeah,
okay. So you know, thenext scene, and this is kind
of telling the next scene, Darylwalks in on Isabelle trying to try and
clean up, you know, becausethey're they're staying in the same room.

(38:57):
I mean, it's like, youknow, he's he's walking into into the
area where he's staying in, whichis where Yeah, and it's to be
clear to anybody who hadn't seen it, it is a large room with Moby.
It's a dormitory, yeah, exactly, and Darryl Daryl walks in there
and Isabelle is in the middle oftrying to clean up, but he tries

(39:22):
to you know, he apologizes andtries to excuse himself, but she can't
reach her back because of her wound, so she asks Darryl for help,
and he, uh, you know, he he but you know, he
gladly goes over there and offers tohelp her. There is zero sexual chemistry
here. Okay, Daryl is anawkward, awkward man. He's right like,

(39:45):
oh, doesn't know what to dowith his hands. If yeah,
if if there was any sexual tensionwith Darryl Dixon and a woman, he
he would be bright red and swarming, like when there was massage and seed

(40:12):
on the top of the bus,you know, and he's like, oh,
awkward, I don't know what I'mdoing. Is she oking? You
do that joking? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's he was just kind
of like, you know, okayfor whatever. Yeah, yeah, this,
yeah, helping this this woman cleanher top cloth because she can't reach
her wound. You know it itseems like he's you know, I mean

(40:37):
it seems like he's he's he's fondof her as a person, of course,
yeah, absolutely, it's fun foryeah, but there's there's zero sexual
attention. I thought it's interesting thatshe starts talking about this police feels like
home for her, and he kindof looks and sort of slightly perturbed by
that, not going oh yeah,you know, he's start goes because I

(41:00):
think he's at that point, he'sstarting to realize, oh, hang on,
she's saying she's staying there, andis she you know, wanting him
to as well? And he,you know, I think that he's feeling
that might be a bit of anawkward conversation. That's just what I got
from it. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So so then we see

(41:28):
well saying with with Daryl and heuh, he tells him that, you
know, he he mentions that,you know, he's he's grateful that that
he was able to get the rotherthere and and Darryl pretty much plays it
down and you know, does itwas it was mostly Isabelle. And I

(41:52):
think that's important because a lot ofthis, like there's a lot of things,
you know, with the with theDaryl and Isabelle staring at each other
across the room and Laurent being inevery frame, and you know, Daryl
playing this down and saying it's mostlyIsabelle. I think Daryl is just trying
to deal with this this inner conflictthat he has right now of of like

(42:15):
of basically being attached to this kidthat he's preparing to give back to Isabelle.
Yeah, and I think that's kindof what's going on with all of
this right now, and he said, uh so, Lusaigne says that he'll
have to you know, he'll he'llhave to walk to the north coast,

(42:37):
but a boat will come get himand provide him safe passage to England and
they you know, they can gethim as far as Newfoundland. And uh
he said, you know, hetells him, but there there are quite
a few people there who who wouldlike him to stay, and they need
him there. I'm like, hejust scot there are you for kidding me?

(43:02):
When he said but we need you, I was like, why why
I know this man? Yeah?Why do you need him? Continue?
How to use the gun to theright for you? What? Okay,
listen? Not only do I okay, well, let's take a break.

(43:30):
It's so funny because like I don'tknow what it is, but every time,
like I want to blame Little Timefor everything go up until episode six,
but it's all his hope and it'sjust like it's just because he's so

(43:58):
pushy and he jumped, like hejust met this guy, and the fact
that he's an American has me reallysuspicious. Yeah, like never trust the
Annequins seriously, though, I Like, I really I don't know. I'm

(44:22):
like, just because of the whole, like because Gerald got captured in America,
you know, yeah, and ona boat. Yeah, it just
it makes me a little It makesme really suspicious. And I was saying

(44:42):
I just hated that he was basicallyspeaking like he knew the inner workings of
Donald's minds, like you know,you you're are you maybe you're you're conflicted,
you don't want to go, andblah blah blah. You know,
it's like, as you say,you know, he badly knows this guy.
And Daryl has been somebody who justkept himself, is in tearorself to

(45:06):
himself a lot. And it's Idon't again, it's the writing. I'm
like, why are you having allthese people tell Daryl this? It's like
the old you know, shown tellthey're telling and they're not telling the audience.
They're just telling the ounce. They'retelling Darryl, you want to stay,
don't you? You want to stay? We should have been seeing that

(45:29):
from Daryl's point of view. Weshould have been seeing Daryl be conflicted and
be like, if that's the storyyou want to tell, if they want
us to believe that Daryl is conflicted, then show him going, oh,
I want to go home, butwhat's the chances, you know, how
the chances I got here are ridiculous, the chances I've got back again are
even slimmer. You know, Icould die on the way and then nobody

(45:51):
will know what happened to me.And you know, there are things he
could have said that would have shownhe was conflicted, and not in a
way like I'm giving up on hopewho can, but just in a way
that said, you know, I'mworried what's going to happen t lrom when
I leave. I do care abouthim instead of having other characters constantly tell
him what he thinks. It's justso bizarre, and it comes off particularly

(46:15):
badly for the song because he's doesn'tknow him and then he's saying this stuff
and you know and saying, oh, maybe the fight isn't why you're conflicted.
Of course, the fight isn't whyhe's conflicted. Nobody thinks they want
to hang around and fight a war. No, No one thinks that.

(46:36):
You know, he yes, he'sconflicted because he cares about these people.
Issue would And I don't even thinkit needs to be any kind of romantic
thing. Or even like you chooseone or the other, he is going
to have to choose one or theother or that's the position he's in at
that point. But you can holdpeople close to your heart and other people

(46:57):
close to your heart at the sametime. It does doesn't change how much
he loves his family at home,but he can he can care and love
about these people and want to protectthem and want them to be safe.
And it goes back to Carol's thing, and even Leah said it, you
don't always have to be the herohere. He is the choice of his
He can choose to do what hewants to do for himself, which is

(47:22):
go home or be the hero forthese people and everybody. Carol and Leah
have both said to him, youknow, you don't have to be the
hero. And so it's like they'rethe opposite of these people who really do
know him. So we'll see wherethat goes. You know. The other

(47:44):
thing that just makes me, okay, the other thing that makes me so
suspicious of him aside, you know, on top of being an American,
he's from New Jersey. Journey sureseason one guest he hangs out with the

(48:05):
situation. Okay, now, actuallyActually I've I've I've heard that the situation
is really sweet. Now, no, I that's nothing against people from New
Jersey. I I just it's it'ssuspicious to me because of the geography and
the Walking Dad in the Walking Deaduniverse, you know. Yeah, yeah,

(48:30):
it's so he's from New Jersey.And the other thing is he so
Janet controls the port, Yeah,that he's getting the boat from. So
why is he able to like shewants to snuff out the union? Yeah,

(48:57):
a fisherman? Yes, why isshe? Why is she? Why
is he friendly with Shane? Yeah? Because Quinn. You know, Quinn
had a deal with Jenny. Excuseme, but and and he was a
dealer, you know what I mean. He was somebody dodgy. So it's

(49:17):
it's interesting to see how somebody fromthe Union of Hope pots his connection.
How he's got this. I mean, obviously, if they have a union
this big that's posted across the wholecountry, then they will have to have
connections. But it's a question ofhow and why. You know, if

(49:38):
you you will be able to callit though, if he does turn out
that, you'll be able to say, I told you, I'm telling you
he's going to He's very charismatic.He seems like, yes, yeah,
a nice a nice charismatic guy.But you know, like if if I

(49:58):
met if if he's some guy thatI just like that I met on my
first day at work or something,I'd be like, Oh, this guy
seems so nice. I'm excited towork with him, and you know,
and then somebody comes up to meand tells me, oh, yeah,
he's in puzzling thousands of dollars companyand giving it to Trump's campaign. No,

(50:30):
I just I don't know. Idon't I just there's just so so
much weirdness going on here, youknow, Yeah, it's just weird.
So we temporarily we temporarily leave thenest, and we see Cadrone with Janet

(50:52):
and he's basically trying to explain whyDarryl and Laurent got away and and and
the other and why the other menwere killed. And he basically said that,
you know, they got out numbered, and and she questions why he

(51:14):
was unharmed and he said, theboy escaped and he went after him.
A pretty good lie. I thoughtthat was quite good, Yeah, for
sure. And Today tells him thatbefore the fall, she worked in a
museum, and night after night itwas just her in the art with thousands
of eyes following her from room toroom, and she learned which eyes tell

(51:37):
the truth and which lie. Andshe asks him you shot my men,
didn't you? And he tells herthey asked me to kill the boy I
couldn't. And she says, thenyou're not the man I thought you were.
And she tells him every person thatjoins the union makes them weaker,
so they need to be snuffed out. And she asks him where the nest

(52:01):
is but he won't answer, andshe tells him it's only going to get
more painful, and they drag himout. So I'm really interested to see
where his story goes. I'm guessingshe's going to do some torturing, But
the question is what after that?Where does he go? Does she torture
him enough to keep him back onher side, or does she play him

(52:24):
American music card torture him like Donaldin the sale What American? Does she
play Achy breaking Heart to him overand over until he ain't America? Yeah?
I mean, I feel like Idon't think she's going to try to
kill him because she wants to.She wants to know where the nest is

(52:45):
Yeah, so I think he'll probablyI think he'll probably cooperate and lead her
to the nest. Yeah, andthen you know, I'm guessing he'll he'll
probably try to like either either liketake off on his own after that,

(53:09):
or you know, he'll try toplay refuge at the union and help them,
you know, yeah, or hecould play both sides, you know,
like what was her name, Gamma? Did possible he could do that,
but I don't know, or maybejust he's after Dixon, but he

(53:29):
doesn't want to hurt anybody in theUnion of Hope, so he just goes
after Daryl Dixon, darl Dixon.I don't know why I said, only
you know who. He just goesafter Daryl and and you know, and
so Daryl has to separate from thefrom them to protect Lauren. That would
be interesting anyway. Yeah, that'sall to come. Yeah. So back

(53:58):
at the nest, Dyryl is packingup stuff and Isabelle approaches him and and
she's surprisingly not very happy about it. He uh you know, he she's
like, you you weren't even gonnasay goodbye, and uh, you know,

(54:22):
he he tells her like basically this, you know, this has always
been the story ever since I washedup on the beach, and oh my
god, she's so insufferable, completelyinsufferable. I mean, it's the way.

(54:54):
Do you know what it reminds meof is when there's a bad TV
show that has a nagging wife character, you know, where it's really badly
written that the woman is horrible andit's always good. Where are you going?
And why are you doing that?Why are you? Why are you
going out with your friends? Don'tyou want to stay here with me?
That's what it reminds me of,a really bad caricature of a woman who

(55:17):
thinks she owns you, you know, has a right to you to know
everything you're doing? And how areyou doing? And how dare you not?
I want you to? I justI mean, I was just so
like, it was just so offensive. Yeah, I actually a coppy.
Sarah had had posted the actual transcriptin here, so I'm just gonna,

(55:43):
yeah, I'm just gonna. I'mjust gonna actually read what it says in
here, because it's just can Ijust could I just say something? First,
transcript is up. I just wantedto see because you mentioned Sarah's name,
the transcript that is up the TVtranscript was not written by Sarah Rowan.
We had found them a Exode fouror something we were talking about privately.

(56:06):
They were not written by her.She's not the one doing them.
We saw them weeks ago, butwe didn't mention it because we didn't mention
it. I didn't want to getsomebody into trouble, you know. Yeah,
anyway, yeah, sorry, Iwill delete that from this recording.
Actually, just yeah, because Idon't I don't want to bring her.
You can to see you have thetranscript, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(56:29):
yeah, okay, yeah, SoI've actually got the transcript here and I'm
just gonna read it because it's worthme thing. It's it's so offensive,
it's so you know. She walksup to him and she says, I
just heard you weren't going to sayanything. And he says, I made

(56:50):
a promise to them, just likeI made to you. And she says,
which you kept and I appreciate it. But you also told me that
you left Commonwealth to see what wasout in the world. I think you
found something, maybe not what youwere looking for. But and he says,
this has always been the story eversince I washed ashore here and she
says, what about Laurent, Areyou going to leave without saying goodbye?

(57:10):
Are you going to abandon him likeyour father did to you? Oh?
My god, that line. Ijust I wanted him to just dump a
bucket of dirty sea water on herright then and there? I am you

(57:36):
fucking kidding me? Lady? Yeah, he's non this kid, I don't
know two months. I'm not pushingit. And you're saying you're you're abandoning
him like your father did to you. Guilt to manipulation, emotional black,
your black meil for a child he'sknown to not even a child, a

(57:58):
twelve year old, he's own acouple of months, and you're saying that
to him like you're his father now, by the way, And then she
goes on and says, I thinkyou care about him, and I think
it scares you. You think you'reescaping history by doing this, but you're
not. You're repeating it. Andhe says, you know you believe what

(58:21):
you believe, and I respect youfor that. And this place feels like
home to you, and I trulyhope it is for both of you.
But I have my own home toget back to you. Well done,
my god, I just is Ohgod, there is one. I'm just

(58:45):
gonna say, there's one tiny bitof blame I do you know, put
on Darryl in that Daryl has nottold her he has family. As far
as we can see on screen,he hasn't told her he has kids that
you consider his own that he left. You know, he lived with them,
he was their uncle, he wastheir parent, parent figure for a

(59:06):
year or two years, however longit was. And so in that sense,
she doesn't know what he has waitingfor him and what he's But even
supposing that, the assumption that heshould take on this that yeah, you

(59:27):
promised to take him here, butyou're now his father. You know,
you have a responsibility for this charterfor the rest of his life. What
ye like? He got fortune inthis situation, and now you're going to
compare him to his abusive father.Yeah, talk about you know, finding

(59:51):
his sore bits and poking numb.I am so sorry. Yes, I'm
really enjoying the show, but man, did she get the shaft? She
really did. She deserves better thanthis. She you know, she's a

(01:00:16):
really good actress. I've had absolutelyno problem with her acting. It's fantastic.
But she has been made to spoutlines that just and I just get
this feeling that they do and thewriters do not know what they're conveying with

(01:00:37):
this. They would say, well, today has given some quotes about the
whole Daryl and Isabelle and the surrogatefamily thing, and he's saying, you
know, this is about Darryl findinganother family and what happens when you've got
an Okay, if that's what theywanted to convey, they are not succeeding

(01:00:58):
in that part because they have showndarl saying I'm going home, I'm going
home, I'm going home, andthen all we have is these other characters
telling him, but don't you wantto stay? And that's I can understand
the character saying. And you know, as I'm kind of laughed when he
was like, oh, you know, your your journey home is going to
be even harder. That makes senseto say, are you kidding? You're

(01:01:20):
not going to get home again?But this attitude that Isabelle presents here not
that don't you want to but youshould? How dare you leave? You?
You are becoming this very person youdon't want. You're becoming an abusive
parent and abandoning parent by leaving thischild. But if you're we're meant to
be on her side, I don'tthink anybody, anybody watching that is going

(01:01:45):
to be on her side. Theywill be on Darryl's side. And it
is an argument. They are shoutingat each other almost and Darryl is right
to be horrified and be what youknow, Look, you can believe what
you believe, but I have ahome to go to, I have my
own family. I never promised this. Yeah, and you know, there's

(01:02:09):
been a lot of talk of promisein this season. He never promised her
anything other than taking them to thenest, and he's done that, and
so to put some guilt hipon himis just unfair. I'm not right,
Yeah, yeah, and so soyeah. So, I mean that's kind

(01:02:32):
of you know, like all othershipping issues aside. That's why Darryl and
Isabelle is not a thing. Okay, it's going to be. Yeah.
I mean when when they showed Leah, when Daryln Leah were together, and
they showed Leah that the what splitthem up was her saying the exact same

(01:02:52):
thing, choose your family or me, and he was like, choose family.
Bye, Obviously that didn't quite workout. But anybody who was watching
that would say, hang on,that's being manipulative. Anybody who puts you
in a situation where you have tochoose them or your family, unless there
is abuse, obviously they are notgot your best interests as herd. Somebody

(01:03:19):
who truly loves you will make youlittle, you know, support whatever you
want to do. And I justalthough it's not, you know, I
don't want to get into the shippingside of it. I do want to
compare her to Carol in this scene, and that Carol when Daryl left Commonwealth.
Carol happily let her happily, butshe let him go. Yep,

(01:03:39):
I'm sad about it, but thisis what you want to do go.
That's selfless love. Isabelle is saying, I want you to stay, and
I'm going to guilt you, Andto say that is selfish love. She
wants him, not necessarily for herself. I'm not saying she's saying it out
of romantic love, but she thinksthis is what is best for Darryl,

(01:04:00):
and this is what's best for allthe wrong. She's making assumptions about him,
she's making decisions for him. Andshe's doing what she wants and guilting
him and Andrew that he's not doingit, where as Carol just said,
well, I'm really sad about this, but you go and do what you
need to do and that is thedifference. And I hope that's deliberate writing.

(01:04:23):
Yeah, yeah, I just I'mjust so like this Isabelle just brings
out my feminine rage, my feministrage, because she's the thing is she
she could have been an interesting character, but she was written in the placeholder

(01:04:46):
yes, correct, and that justupsets me on so many levels because even
with Carol coming back, she stillcould have been like a placeholder, no
exactly, like she still could havebeen her own character, but they just
made her a placeholder and it justis really upsetting. It's like, for

(01:05:12):
those who watched Doctor Who Meets,there'll be some doctor who references when Billy
Piper was was Rose and she left, and then they bought in Martha Jones
and unfortunately the writing wasn't didn't differentiateher enough, and she suffered for that,
the character suffered. And then theybrought in Donna played by Catherine Tate,

(01:05:36):
who was very, very different,and it completely worked because she was
as such a different character, peopleweren't comparing them, and she as a
character then fitted with the Rose andthey co existed, you know, for
a couple of episodes, they existedin the same time in space, and

(01:06:00):
that worked. And but the waythey've written Isabelle and in this season,
it's hard to imagine her and Carolthough we were saying, you know,
they would get along, because Isabellehas been so poorly written, because she
was just a placeholder for Carol's herein front of my face. It's it's

(01:06:26):
just it's such a shame that itcouldn't have been a much better written character
without the you know, making alesbian. So she's not interested in Darryl,
you know, so and she thatshe she had her own in her
life, an interesting life, andit wasn't just about Darryl, which is

(01:06:46):
what unfortunately, although we you know, she's got she had the storyline with
Quinn, so much of it feelslike it was about Darryl rather than about
La wrong because she had that argumentwith Daryl and three and yeah, it
just could have been done so muchbetter. Yeah, oh absolutely so.

(01:07:10):
So yeah, anyway, you know, they they had their little tiff I
mean Darryl's just I yeah, it'sthey don't have they don't have a pleasant
goodbye. Darryl just kind of likewalks out with barely looking at her,
and uh, like I said earlier, I said earlier that that he uh

(01:07:38):
that he he practically shoved her outof the way, and and and I
swear I thought he was gonna crawlin bed with Laurent and start sobbing.
It was no, it was sadbecause he, you know, he he
clearly was like he you know,he kind of stole all bile around's bed,

(01:08:00):
and he clearly was, you know, struggling with leaving, and he
just he put the Rubik's Cube onhis bed and left, and you know,
we see him kind of taking hisjourney toward the coast, and eventually

(01:08:21):
he sees an American flag and realizesthat it's an American military cemetery, and
he goes to check it out,and he just kind of begins frantically searching
all the graves until he finally findsone belonging to William T. Dixon,

(01:08:43):
his grandfather. And I just thoughtthis was such a cool scene, Like
the music stops. All you hearis the wind, and it's just you
just see Daryl's face and it's justyou know, he's he gets really emotional,
and I just I thought it wasjust such a beautifully shot scene.
What that whole the whole bit ofDarryl traveling knows two days and then ending

(01:09:05):
up there and the the you know, the long grass and as you say,
the wind and all the graves,and it was it was beautifully done
cinematography, everything, directing, andand Norman Reds played it exactly right,
that frantic looking and then that stillnessand sadness that was is over them.

(01:09:26):
Because in two levels, it worksbecause of the character and the realization he's
coming to. But just as asas a human being that you're in a
war cemetery. You know that allthese men, young American men and died
of other countries as well, diedon that beach and didn't basically barely set

(01:09:47):
foot on land and died for thisthis war. So it works just on
a human level as well. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, and I
mean it's you know, and thisis what he's been, this is what
he's kind of like, like yousaid earlier, it's been like kind of

(01:10:09):
the theme running through his head allseason. It's he doesn't want this to
be his story. And suddenly hesees suddenly he sees the boat as he's
standing there, and like he kindof takes a moment to, you know,

(01:10:30):
to look back at his grandfather's grave, and he just like he starts
running toward toward the towards the waterand starts waving the boat down, and
you see the boat like they startflashing its light, and he like,

(01:10:54):
you know, there there are somethere are some zombies hanging out, so
of course he's got to take careof them. And he's kind of flagging
down the boat and all of asudden, you hear Daryl and it's it's
it's Laurron standing there waving his arms. And the look on Darryl's face,

(01:11:26):
it's just like I can't even describethe look on his face. It just
it just he looks like I don'teven yeah, I don't even know how
to describe it. It's like justlike he's baffled, like, yeah,

(01:11:47):
yeah, is this happening? Likewhat And he sort of looks towards the
boat, back towards Laurent a coupleof times like really, and of course
all the zombies. All the walkersare up around Lauran, so he's going
to have to go back and savethis Kent who barely knows how to protect

(01:12:10):
himself at all from all these walkers. And then it was two days he
was walking, So that begs thequestion doesn't it kill you? It does?
Yes, it very much does.So did la just sneak out and

(01:12:32):
take off by himself or was hesent out there? Because why does it
take him two days to catch upwith Daryl? Why does he you know?
I guess I could say, youknow, you wouldn't want to show
Daryl he's there too quickly because Darylwould just send him back, So you
know, he's just waited until Daryl. But still, yeah, did you

(01:12:59):
know did he go by his ownvolition? Or is this the drawing all
over again? That's what we're saying, Oh my god, I I I
really worry that. I really worrythat, Isabelle and was saying, and

(01:13:23):
of course I'm going to include littlesign in air because of course, because
yeah, everything goes back to alittle sign for me because he's an American
who can get a boat. Okay, not to be trusted, but uh,
I just I can't help. Butbut I feel like I don't know,

(01:13:47):
like they must have. I mean, okay, if because think about
it, like if Laurent had takenoff by himself, they would have gone
looking for right, yeah, youwould think so, yeah, and they
would have figured out that he probablywould have gone after Daryl. Yeah.

(01:14:10):
So I don't know. Maybe whenseason two comes back on, we will
see that that Isabelle will be rightbehind him, right behind them, yeah,
yeah, running after him, chasinghim. But I don't know.
I think I think it was planned. What do you think? I'm not
sure. I don't know. I'mlike fifty to fifty because I can see

(01:14:31):
Lauren. Obviously they set it upthat Laurn says, you know, can
I can I go with you?You know, earlier on in episode five,
so I can see him doing that. But I also I have this
idea that perhaps one of the reasonsthe writing Isabelle to be so manipulative and

(01:14:54):
determined in her what she thinks isthe outcome, that she will start to
get more extreme in that and dowhatever it takes to keep Daryl there because
she believes that's his destiny. Andwhat you know, again not motivated.
I don't believe she'll be motivated byromance like you must stay with me,

(01:15:15):
But this this religious belief that thatLaurn is the Messiah and Daryl is his
protector and that must happen, andthat she will do anything to make that
happen, and so she would sendLauren to bring him back. So I
think it could go either way.I definitely think is a strong possibility that

(01:15:36):
it wasn't Laurn's decision, but alsohow they've written Laurn, it could be
stay in the house, Laurent,stay in the nest Lauren. I also
have I also have a theory thatperhaps because I really think that there's going

(01:15:56):
to be a war next season betweenyeah, you know, the Union and
Jeannee and yeah, that that wholegroup, because obviously Janney said said point.
You know, she said point,she wants to stuff out the nest.
Yeah, So I also think thatthere's a possibility then maybe that maybe

(01:16:23):
once they realized that they couldn't keepDaryl there, maybe Isabelle got the idea
in her head that she didn't wantthe next best thing was to get Laurent
out of there. Yeah that,yeah, that could be as well.

(01:16:43):
Yeah, because maybe she not like, you know, she was with Quinn.
She might know something that's true,Yeah that others don't. Yeah,
she might be worried about the nextto being attacked. Yeah, and wants
to protact to Laurent and wants withDarryl. With Darryl, Yeah, that's

(01:17:12):
true. That could be it.Yeah. If you can't keep Dal there,
then that's the next best option.Can I pause a second. My
phone's about to run out battery andI want to get my charger before we
talk about that in a moment tothe other rooms. No, I don't

(01:17:42):
want to run out in the middleof speaking about Carol. But yeah,
so I I yeah, there,I have a few theories. But you
know, the boat, so obviouslyDarryl doesn't really have to he has to,
No, he has to, likehe's not gonna leave La rap Air.

(01:18:04):
But the boat was flashing its light. Yeah, so I mean it's
not just going to leave, like, no, that's true. Yeah,
they saw him, Yeah, likethey just think, oh there's Walker.
Let's but I mean I wonder,so I wonder what's going to happen there,

(01:18:30):
you know, like what's going togo wrong because we know he's still
in France. So yeah, I'mkinda I'm kind of curious about that.
I wonder if maybe he's going tofind out that he shouldn't get on the

(01:18:54):
boat. Somebody's that's a good question, and that some something Well, yes,
I have wanted to talk about buthaven't been able to on the podcast.
Is that. Yeah, well we'lldo the final scene and then i'll
talk about that. There's not that'sit. That's the end of the episode.

(01:19:16):
Oh yeah, you're right, No, that was talking about Yeah,
that's it. I have no ideawhat you're doing. Yeah, So so
the best part of the episode,the episode, the whole season. You
know, we we we see this. We see this biker guy riding riding

(01:19:40):
Darryl's motorcycle, and we see aMustang tasted him down and and yeah,
you know, very hot at histail, speeding up literally trying to clearly
trying to run him off the road. And he stops the bike and gets

(01:20:03):
off and shoots at it, andthe Mustang comes to a stop and the
door opens and it's our girl,Carol Carl. It's so good to see
her. Oh it was great hearingher voice, but it was so good

(01:20:27):
to see her. Oh god,yeah, she she you know, gets
out with her hands up and he'sgot the gun on her. And it's
so funny because the first thing thatthe first thought that ran through my mind
was Nancy for months, not fromhis back. But yeah, she tells

(01:20:55):
him that she's looking for a friendof hers named Daryl Dixon. And he's
like, look, lady, Idon't I don't know no Daryl Dixon or
whatever he says. She's like,that's that's his bike you're riding, and
like, I've been looking for himfor a while. And he's like,
well, you know, he he'snot hearing it. He just wants to

(01:21:18):
He just wants to search your carand see what she's got in the trunk.
Bad idea, dude, bad idea. Not a good idea. You
clearly don't know who this woman is. You don't know Nancy. You don't
know Nancy for Mount Claire. Okay. Yeah, So she opens the trunk

(01:21:46):
for him, and you know,she she stepped back and he starts going
through the trunk and she pulls outa pipe or something and just wax him
in the head. Next thing wesee, he's he's tied up good and
tight in the trunk and I willjust say, just because of Candle,

(01:22:09):
I won't ignore things like that andgo, ah, Candle was able to
lift the three two hundred and fiftypound guy com in the trunk. Did
you ramp and roll him up?I know Candle is strong, but that
is stretching believability a little bit.But into the he was leading into the

(01:22:30):
truck. That's true, That's true, he was, so she just pushed
him. Ok. You she didn'thave to like pick him up, Ellie,
she just had no moment. Buthe wakes up and and you know,
she's she's got the gun pointed athim, and she, you know,
she asks him, she asks himwhere where he is? And and

(01:22:55):
he's like, like where she gotthe bike or where he got the bike?
And he tells her that he tradedfor it. And he tells her
that that he got it at thegas station down the road, tells her
how to get there, and shesays, if you're lying, I won't
be back and slams the door,slams the truck door, and hops on

(01:23:18):
his bike and rides away. It'swhat we've been waiting to see, not
just all year, but for years. Carol riding Donald's bike without him just
meet him. She's on Donald's bike. Yeah, you know Melissa McBride got
her motorcycle license years ago. Yes, yep, it's like, come on,

(01:23:43):
man, put it to use.And then they were sorry. I
was just going to say, forthose who are following casting, when they
were looking for it's not a stuntdouble but standing and it was the only
stand in record. I said,what a cycle license would be helpful and
everybody was like, ha ha ohis that caddle? Yeah? Yeah,

(01:24:15):
I there's there's only there's two thingsthat I've been screaming for forever for for
Carol. That and the other thingis that she gets a goddamn different last
name. Yeah, and I haven'tgiven us that yet. No, but

(01:24:39):
you know, baby, you knowwe got the first one, so maybe
we'll get I just I don't wanther to be Carol Pelatier anymore. And
don't I hate that she has thatname? Like I just like, you
know, I'm fine with her havingEzekiel's last name, Like I just like

(01:25:00):
he, you know, he wasmuch better husband than Ed. Yeah,
like I'm fine, or just like, can you take grime? She can
be a grin because you know shesaid, I'm right sister. She could
be a Dixon, yeah, drivingdown a street and be like in like

(01:25:24):
the street name, and be like, I like that name. I'm gonna
be Carol thirty fifth Place exactly.Yeah, as long as she doesn't become
Carol La sang, yeah, no, no, let's not go there.

(01:25:46):
No. I mean, part ofme wishes I wasn't spoiled. I didn't
know that this was coming, becauseyeah, you know, I can imagine
if you if I had been watchingthis in the days when it used to
be airing in the UK, andI didn't know what was happening before it
aired, the impact that scene wouldhave had on me would have been massive.

(01:26:12):
I would have been cheering and clapping. I mean I was still cheering.
I did literally go yeah. Butyou know what the feeling it would
have given me, And and Ihope that a lot of the audience is
still getting that. The people whowere at the New York Comic Con hopefully
got it as well when the episodewas screened for them, because it is

(01:26:33):
and a lot of the reviewers havesaid this, and this isn't just shippy
Carol bewers, but reviewers who justlike Carol as a character, as most
most people do, and they havesaid there's something missing from this show,
from Dald Dixon show. Yeah,it's okay, but there is something missing,

(01:26:54):
and that's what it is, andit's Carol. She just takes everything
up a level. There's just nodenying that. Her screen presence is incredible.
Her chemistry with everyone is amazing,but especially Carol and Daryl together,
there is magic there. And likeyou say, you're not a shipper,

(01:27:15):
but you ship it because of whothey are, because of what they have.
When they get on screen together,something miraculous happens, and we've been
missing that so much. Without it, there is just a lack of something
and it's Carol. And as soonas she was on screen again, it
picked up and it was just thenotion that you know, and even last

(01:27:41):
week when she was on the radio, it just changed things and it just
made everything feel so much more alive, and it made Darrel seem more alive.
You know. Norman's acting is alwaysbetter around Melissa. He's always his
motions are better. I can't sayenough how much I love that Melissa is

(01:28:02):
back. I'm so happy, andwe said this the very first episode.
We would not have been watching theshow, had we not known Melissa was
coming back, because I didn't wantto see that version of Daryl Darrel without
Carol, a Darrell who's going tolead a completely different life. I just
wasn't interested in him. And that'sand people can judge you for that.

(01:28:25):
That's fine. I believe you watchTV to take from it whatever you want
to say from it. And soI am here because Melissa is here,
you know, Yeah, Carol isback and that makes everything better. Like,
I mean, I'm excited about theones who live. But if Michewane

(01:28:47):
wasn't in it, I don't knowthat you watch it? No, no,
exactly. Yeah, yeah, Imean if if if Rick wasn't in
it, I probably would it wasjust was shown. Yeah, yeah,
I agree, But if it wasjust Rich, I think I wat it.

(01:29:14):
But but yeah, it's I meanthere, I've never seen chemistry like
the two of them have, likebetween any characters ever. Yeah, and
it's just I can't And Norman ritishas been so great on this show.
It's it's he's done a really goodjob, I think this whole season,

(01:29:40):
and it's you know, on theWalking Dead and the main series, it's
he he kind of he kind ofgot the shaft a lot. I mean,
like, you know, he hedidn't really like. I enjoyed him

(01:30:04):
the first few seasons, but youknow, he didn't like I mean,
I wouldn't say that his acting wasthat he was one of the best actors
on the show. No, butsomething happened in season four and he they
made Darrel forget how to talk.Yeah, Donald love her. Yeah,

(01:30:30):
they basically, you know, apparentlythere's something about Darryl Dixon where he can
only talk if he has sleeves.Yeah, if his arms are bare,
he forgets how to talk. So, you know, he he then continued

(01:31:01):
to just mostly grunt until like theyeah, yeah, although you know,
he had some moments, and hehad some moments in like season set,
like season seven or I want toyeah, season seven when when he was
actually I don't think that was no, I think it was what season eight

(01:31:26):
where he was really kind of insufferable, when he was like basically just being
irre, really irresponsible and like almostgetting everybody killed. But yeah, season
seven he had some really good moments, I thought. But but yeah,
like season nine and ten came alongand I was like, whoa, hey,

(01:31:46):
what was going on here? Fuck? Yeah, like it was the
best acting I had ever seen fromhim. Yeah, and his scenes with
like his scenes with Melissa McBride werejust like in particular, I mean I'd
never seen I mean, she's alwaysfantastic, but like his his beans with

(01:32:11):
Melissa McBride were unreal, Like Icouldn't believe what I was watching, Like
it's like, what happened to thisguy? So I you know, and
then season eleven comes around and it'slike they spent five minutes together. Yeah,

(01:32:33):
it was awful. So I'm I'mso excited for season two, Like
I don't know how how much timethey're going to spend together. But season
two is going to be called,uh, the Book of Peril. That's

(01:32:56):
very exciting, which makes it soundlike she's going to be the main character.
It really does, and maybe sheis, you know, maybe this
is going to be because it hasto be said that Norman Readis has not
spend a whole lot of time inFrance in the past few months before the
strike. Melissa seems to have beenthere more than he has, so and

(01:33:18):
people are like, how can hebe you know, how can he be
filming? Then obviously he wasn't whenhe so if it is going to be
Carol heavy rah. Good for us, that's that's that's great news. And
I assume we're going to see Carol'sjourney through France. And this is where

(01:33:41):
the theory comes into play. Isit is it? You know, I
didn't come up with this. Someoneelse did. And at first I was
like, the more I thought about, oh, maybe it's possible that Carol
was on the same boat he wasand he just didn't know it. Because
there is no time frame given betweenDarryl and you know, fighting and then

(01:34:09):
being on the boat. We haveno idea how long that was. If
it was the same day, ifit was three days later, if it
was two weeks later, we don'tknow because the boat presumably leaves like once
a month or something, because it'snot going back and forward all the time,
So it may have sat there forseveral weeks, giving Peril time to

(01:34:30):
catch up to Daryl and she wouldn'tfind him, but she would certainly find
evidence of him. And it's entirelypossible so that she was also on that
boat and that explosion that happens thatwe don't know what caused it, when
he jumps off that that was missfirelighter herself, and that he is in

(01:34:50):
France. She is in France atthe same time he is, because she
would have stayed on the boat andgot straight to port, whereas he of
jumped off and sailed to Marseilles.And so that brings into this something that
I've had I thought about is that, you know, this whole series has

(01:35:13):
been about religion, and a lotof it. At the start was talking
about, you know, asking Daryldo you have faith? No, he
doesn't, and the Mother Superior whenshe was dying, was saying to darl
you don't believe because you don't seeevidence of it, and you know you
need a reason to believe. Andit perhaps it is whether it is through

(01:35:34):
is it Belle or her forcing theissue, or or you know, Lauren
himself is as a vessel of Godthat stops Daryl leaving France because Carol is
already in France, and if heleaves that country, he won't meet her.
And Carol is Daryl's destiny. They'rethere, destined to be together.

(01:36:00):
And so God or whatever being orsuperpower or mother nature or destiny, whatever
we want to call it, isdrawing them together and making sure they meet
and so to make sure they meet. Daryl can't leave France because Carol won't
catch him. And I love thatas an idea. Love it this idea

(01:36:21):
that you know they are destined tobe together, their soulmates, there's a
higher purpose, you know. Ilove that stuff. Even if Carol wasn't
on the boat, that's just anidea. We do know she's going to
France, so she it's likely thatshe is in France this sorry, at

(01:36:42):
the same time he is. Butit's just we will see all of that
journey we assume at the start ofseason two. Now, I thought,
like I went back to the thepremiere episode yep, and looked at the

(01:37:04):
the transcript. Oh yes, okay, and like, I don't know,
maybe I'm reading too much into it, but so the you know, the
the very like towards the very end, it's when you know, when we

(01:37:27):
see Jeanne for the first time andthey're they're talking about, you know,
the mutiny and everything, and ohyeah, and uh, you know,
she says, three years to getthis ship seaworthy. And now because of
what one American and someone says,I we did manage to stop the mutiny,

(01:37:51):
and she says, did you congratulationsand the man and someone says,
oh, presumed are the American andthe man the same person? Ah?
Very good, good, good questionbecause there was more than one American they

(01:38:14):
brought on Juno and the other guy. Yeah, so you know there were
Americans on board, So he's justthe man that jumped overward. Where is
the American could be the person thatcaused the mutiny? Yeah, yeah,
because I wouldn't have called what Darylddid a mutiny because you know, that's
your own people turning against you.And he didn't. He was just like
a prisoner tried to escape. Sothat is very interesting. If they do

(01:38:41):
that, that's genius. Yeah.Then yeah, I think it's a good
I think it's a good possibility thatit could have been Carol, because I
don't it seems weird to me thatwe would just see them see an explosion
on a boat. Yeah, andand it's like it's not explained, no,

(01:39:06):
like you know, we didn't youknow, we didn't see anybody shooting,
or I don't think we did.You know, there's just walkers are
free and the people are free,and that's all and there's like trying to
escape walkers. But how does thatcause this explosion we don't know. Yeah,

(01:39:28):
yeah, and it just seems likesuch a such a Carol thing.
You know. It's like when Meagansays to Darnald, you know, your
girlfriend set me free, and yousee D's the look on Darl's face,
and to me, it's like,yeah, she would totally do that.
That sounds like Carol. Yeah,you know, an explosion and and you

(01:39:54):
know turns back around like Carol.And obviously they just they did that basically
to a degree at the end oftaking half of season four, when Carol
sees the smoke from Darryl's the cabinthat Daryl and Beth have burnt down,

(01:40:15):
and she sees it and comments onit. So you know, they were
in roughly the same area, sowe knew that they were, you know,
interacting with each other without knowing it. But if they did it on
a more on a bigger scale,and so that in season two we see
Carol arriving at all these places justmoments or hours or a day after Daryl,

(01:40:43):
that would be I mean, itwould be heartbreaking and just brilliant to
watch to see Carol meet all thoseyou know, the kids at the school
or you know, and come acrossthe guy with the pigeons. You know
what, if she had a conversationwith them in between the two conversations that
Daryl had, that would be incredible. If they've done that, Oh my

(01:41:08):
god, I hope she I hopeshe somehow runs into into Yeah, totally,
that would be awesome. Yes,if they help her track Daryl down,
that would be so good. Iwould love to see that because we
love for like just something about onscreen. He's just so charismatic and you're

(01:41:34):
just drawn to him as a youknow, and I can totally see him
as a leader, so full forleader. He should fall in love with
Carol and be like, Oh,she's fighty and capable. I like her.
Yeah, sorry, can't find Daryl. I don't understand. Daryl goes

(01:41:57):
to check on Lou's group and Watsonon him, on him making out Carol,
oh on what to kick and teeth. That would be Yeah. To
be clear, I do not believethat is what's happening. Just just in

(01:42:17):
case anybody was taking that facked.But uh, but yeah, So there
was a lot of news that cameout of Comic Con. Yes, there
was lots of exciting news. So, yeah, season two is uh.

(01:42:39):
I mean, the title's a littlecrazy. Could do with some more in
the Book of the Book of Carol. So yeah, got two subtitles,
which I'm just going to call itthe Book of Cattle. You know,
Donald's Handy's Time in the Sun,so we'll just call it. Yeah,
yeah, exactly. But it's very, very, very What made me personally

(01:43:01):
most excited is that Melissa is anexecutive producer. Yes, that is big
news. That says she has aninput, she has power, she's invested,
and that says a lot to mebecause not to be sexist, but
I don't trust many of the meninvolved in this show now, you know

(01:43:26):
it just it was very uncomfortable whenI was watching the panel back this morning
and just watching like just poor whitedudes sitting up there. Ye come on,
guys, really, yeah, yes, this is not what I want
to see. So at least nexttime we'll seem less out there, you

(01:43:49):
know, Yeah, exactly. AndI think it's the same way I felt
when I heard that Deny was reallyinvolved in writing the Ones who Live in
and crafting the story with Scott Gimble, Because I don't trust Scott to pull
it at all. It's write agood story, but a one hundred percent

(01:44:10):
trust and I absolutely trust her,and so I know that it's going to
be well written, in a goodstory and faithful to the characters. And
I don't mean faithful as having thembeaten character. I mean give them what
they deserve. And so with thesame goes with Melissa and Carol. If
Melissa is involved in that level ofthings as a producer, I have faith

(01:44:32):
that they are giving Carol something worthyof her, you know, yeah for
sure? Yeah, yeah, Imean because she man, she really got
the shaft in season eleven. Yeah, oh boy. Now I think Angela

(01:44:54):
can at the time said we onlyhave the characters who are available, you
know, they're how many they're contractedto do. It is possible that Melissa
had something else going on and neededa lot more time off, so I'll
give them some leads that. Butwhat she had on screen was not even

(01:45:15):
when she was on screen, ifyou know what I mean, it wasn't
the best. Yeah, no,it really wasn't. And it's what they
did with Darryl and Carroll was justinfuriating. I mean it's they destroy their
relationship and then basically just had Darryltreating her, just being a dick to

(01:45:39):
her, and then like they neverreally you know, I had to talk
about it about everything. It wasjust like, you know, the season
started and it seemed like they weregood, but then sometimes things were weird
between them, but then they weregood again, and it was yes,

(01:46:00):
like okay, well this is it. They're just gonna you know, relationship
is just your you know, itwas just irreparably damaged for no reason whatsoever.
I mean, my my assumption again, I'm always like, you know,
trying to cut them a brake whenI can, because that's the kind
of person I have. But myassumption is that it would have been resolved

(01:46:24):
in a very satisfying way when Daryland Carroll were meant to leave together,
but because they ended up not leavingtogether, they didn't resolve it, and
so it just left this. Imean, they could have resolved it without
it being to a level that theywould leave together. They could just have
had them get past that. Idon't it's like everything to do with Daryl

(01:46:45):
and Carroll they have been My feelingis and I believe this one hundred percent,
And you know that they were alwaysat some point Panni to get Daryln
Carroll together down the line, butthey put it off, and put it
off for good reasons to begin with, but it has led to the stagnation

(01:47:10):
of their relationship because they were afraidto put them together and let them have
a real emotional conversation without revealing thatthey are, you know, going to
be romantically in love with each other. And I'm like, it's for stating
me, because I'm like, Ican totally see how you can do that.
Let them have these conversations. Youdon't have to reveal that at this

(01:47:32):
point. But and that I thinkthat's what happened on a huge scale in
season eleven. But what it didwas it basically cut away Carol's potency as
an emotional character and they had tohave her, you know, interacting with
with the Whizzik and kind of churningover the same thing she'd had already with

(01:47:55):
him that you know, he wantedher back and she didn't want to get
back together with him, and soit felt like trending old ground. And
the same with Darryl. They hadthat, like they had the conversation in
ten sixteen that you know, everythingwas okay and Daryl was still here.
And seemed like, like you said, like they fixed it and then they
had the fight afterwards, which didn'tquite makes sense. Yeah, it's still

(01:48:20):
yeah, I don't know why theyhad to put the fight in. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, therewas there was a lot of weirdness,
you know, there was just god, I don't know. It's I
mean, we could, we could, Yeah, we will, we will

(01:48:41):
in the height, in the hiatus, we will do one episode. I
think that we were just talking aboutthe whole Daryl and Carol thing. You
think we should do whole episode becausewe could totally. I will say thank
god that they did not put themtogether when they were originally to. Yes,
yeah, I agree. Would havebeen horrible because we wouldn't have Carol.

(01:49:08):
We wouldn't have Carols, who wouldhave been killed off. Yeah.
So I love it that Glenn Mizzarrewanted to put them together and planned it,
but I'm glad it didn't happen thatearly. I would have been happy
with them putting them together sort ofseason five and the season five that would
have been my ideal time. Buthey, ho, here we are now,

(01:49:30):
and let's see where season two itgoes. Do you think that the
Book of Carol is purely a metaphoricalbook, or do you think there's actually
going to be a book. Arewe going to have Carol diarizing that's not
the word, journaling her journey oryou know, possibly like we had Darryl

(01:49:54):
and his dictaphone. I don't know, I don't know. It's interesting to
think about because I mean, youknow, with with bringing her on as
an executive producer, I mean,there are probably gonna be a lot of

(01:50:19):
changes for the better. I mean, it's like everybody always talks about how
you know, she tends to shetends to make a lot of suggestions during
filming, and her suggestions are usuallytaken, and you know, she just

(01:50:46):
has a lot of really smart input. And it's so I mean, her
having a lot more power, it'sit could go a very different creative direction.
So like, yeah, I don'tknow, what do you think.
I don't know. I'm wondering ifthey could use that as a similar vehicle

(01:51:11):
to show her what's going on withher, but use a different thing that
the dictaphone would be too cliche toyou know, to be ridiculous to do
it twice, And if they wantto show us what's going on with her.
They could have her, you know, like they had in the coda
with Rick and ma Shone. Andthat is my only negative. I guess

(01:51:33):
that is it sounds like that's whatthey're doing and the ones who live because
in the new tailer that dropped itcomic con, it does sound like it's
Rick writing to the Shone, Sothat kind of puts me off it.
But you never know, it mayjust be the Book of Carl. The
other thing about the title of theBook of Carol is, of course it's

(01:51:54):
very biblical. It has, youknow, allusions to the New Testament,
and I was thinking about that thatthat would make the the first season the
Old Testament, and the Old Testament'sall about prophecies and rules and you know,
all these things, and then theNew Testament is the coming of Christ.
But it's it's it's it's the same. It's using the same idea of

(01:52:17):
this is foretelling what's going to happenand the plan of God's plan, and
the season two is the enactment ofGod's plan, you know, the New
Testament is the enactment. I'm notsaying Carol. I'm not comparing Carol to
Jesus Christ. Let me be asmuch as I love her, I'm not

(01:52:40):
comparing her to Jesus Christ. ButI think it's a it's a nice way
of sort of framing these this thisit's the past, and it's the it's
the act, like the Let's behonest, this whole season has been built
up to Carol, you know,to the plot they want to tell,
which is Daryl and Carrel and thenfinding each other. We haven't seen the

(01:53:05):
little teaser they put out at theend of the Comic Con panel because obviously
it was only available to the peoplein the room, so we don't know
what it contains. But by thetime the episode has aired, I'm assuming
they're going to put it on.They're going to air it on AMC when

(01:53:25):
the episode airs, so we shouldget a little bit more information because you
will see, hopefully see Carol,and so we might have a little bit
more of an idea of how it'sgoing to be presented and how they're going
to do kick ass Carol coming acrossfans. Is she going to be on

(01:53:49):
that boat, did she get adifferent boat, did she find some other
way across the Atlantic? She's Carol? If they told me she flew a
plane. I'd be like, yeahshe did. Is she bringing dog with
her? Yes? Yeah, wecould dream, you know dream yeah,

(01:54:10):
maybe maybe dog did de Laurent andhe's followed Coddle all the way. To
me, Oh my god, thatwould be amazing. I was like,
how did you take you? Okay? I just have to laugh that,
like you didn't they say that shethat she basically is like a week behind

(01:54:34):
him? Oh did they? Ithought they did, which means that which
means that she waited. You know, he told her that happy back in
a week and he wasn't back inexactly a week's She's like the five passman
night. Okay, guys, bye? I lost. Also, I think

(01:55:00):
something worse into speaking about is thecomments that's Able made about the radio call
from last week that he said thatthe name Carol Says has come back.
It relates to who what is goingon in Carol's world at that time and
her story, and a lot ofpeople are saying, you know, that

(01:55:20):
means it's not Rick and Mashone,and there's lots of speculation about Dwight and
Morgan somebody else Jadis perhaps, Butto me, I was thinking it would
make sense if it was Ricken Machoneor one of them. But I know
that's sacrile intice to say. Butif they came back, I don't understand

(01:55:43):
why she would sound so unhappy andthings like that. But in terms of
Carol's story, Carol's story is leavingto find Daryld, so to have something
relate to that, to me,it would be like something that would give
her an impetus that she has togo and get Daryl now, and that
in a way, I think,you know, rick and Macheone finding each

(01:56:04):
other would do that because she's theywould be like Michean would be like I
wasted time thinking I know he's alive, but I wasn't with him, you
know. And if you love someoneand you want to be with them,
go and get them right now,you know, find them right now and

(01:56:24):
tell them right now. And soI think that would be interesting. It
would be interesting if we see Caroland the ones who live at the end
of the ones who live, youknow, especially with that, that would
be really interesting, especially with justbecause I think we've seen a lot of

(01:56:45):
that in this season of Daryld Dixon, you know, yeah, a lot
of I think we've seen a lotof Darryl like just getting a lot of
those reminders along the way of youknow, just mortality and people losing people,
and you know, like I heseemed, he seemed, he seemed

(01:57:14):
to really kind of take it toheart when you know, when they were
at at uh Influ's community and andlike Laurent was talking to Sonia, you
know, yeah, and trying tocomfort her. But yeah, so it's
yeah, that would be really that'sa really good theory. I like that

(01:57:36):
a lot. You know. Mytheory was that she said that that it
was it was dog and he hadjust you know, he had come back
really messed up because you know,he went on a mission and he had
just he had seen some ship andDoggy PTSD and and wouldn't go Like she

(01:58:00):
tried to give him a toy andhe wouldn't go near it because it freaked
him out. Poor dog dog isthe central character everything. Someone said,
I can't remember who it was,and also what made it that it was
the rat. That's a good one. The rat came back. I mean,

(01:58:32):
I have no idea. I cannotthink of why she would sound so
sad and so perturbed and I notimmediately say it was if it was,
you know, why she would It'salmost like she didn't want to say who
it was. That it was likenot an afterthought, but like she was
building up to it, like Okay, I'll tell them. So I don't

(01:58:55):
know, it's possible that it's somethingto do with the CRM and you know
they're going to have to go towar. But I don't understand why that
would send her off to find Daryl. You know, I can't. I
can't think, you know, ifit was Morgan or Dwight, I can't
think why that would be a reasonfor her to go, well, I

(01:59:16):
have to find Daryl now, soyou know it Also, it also kind
of would explain her comment about youknow, it just just takes them getting
used to yeah, you know,yeah, like obviously, like that didn't
really that didn't really stick out tome all that much because I figured,

(01:59:39):
you know, she's like, yeah, she you know, she's obviously she's
not happy that he's not there.Yeah, but but uh but yeah,
that would that would kind of,you know, put some more weight on
that. I think. Yeah,I like, don't worry. I think
that's a good theory, thank yousee, I mean, we may we

(02:00:02):
may see as I say, inThe Ones Who Live, the timelines of
everything, I have no idea.I don't know what the timeline of The
Ones Who Live is going to beon. But I am assuming at the
end of The Ones who Live,because they've said it's a limited series,
it's one off that they will oneor both will be reunited with Judith and

(02:00:27):
RJ. And so if they are, you would think Carol would still be
there, but perhaps she isn't.Perhaps you'd are gone and it wasn't them.
Yeah, I mean, like,I don't know that. Well,
I mean, there are there arequite a few people that I think Carol
would feel comfortable leaving Judith and RJwith, even yeah, Michelle warn back.

(02:00:50):
So I don't know that that's reallyin the tew But that's That's the
other thing is that I would think, looking at from the other point of
view from Daryl, the point ofview Darryl's story, to me, the
only thing that would stop him havingsuch a desire to go home is if
he knew that Judith and Argie weresafe and Carol's there, you know what

(02:01:14):
I mean, Carol is there andthe only other thing is is them being
safe, And if he knows they'vegot their parents back, then that is
a huge weight off his shoulders andhe can concentrate on Lrong. Whereas if
it was somebody else and Judith andArgie were still in danger, then he
would still want to go home assoon as possible. So that might,

(02:01:40):
you know, that might be thedifference whether he whether when Carol finds him
they immediately want to leave and goback to America, or if they're happy
to just travel go around. Idon't know. Yeah, yeah, Now
did we hear a rumor that theywere filming an Isle of that they were
going to be filming an Isle ofMan. We can't see that. I

(02:02:03):
love to cut that. Sarah Ryantold me that so we can see Ireland.
Ireland was published, so we cansee Ireland, okay, because that
was in an article. All right, all right, yeah, we'll cut
the Isle of Man out. Butuh yeah, well yeah, obviously they

(02:02:25):
haven't filed their films there yet,right no, yeah, yeah, well
yeah, because they're still in France. Now, what what else did we
What were the other announcements from comicine? It was about the season two casts,
wasn't it who was returning? Yeah? Obviously, you know, we're

(02:02:55):
we're losing Adam. Yes, I'msorry, but he's really good. I
saw somebody tweeting that last night andthink, oh, Adam wasn't in the
list. Does that mean he's notreturning? What a shame? And I
was like, there's a reason forthat. Yeah, I like, yeah,

(02:03:16):
he was. He was enjoyable.Yeah he was. Yeah, not
the greatest guy, but his characterwas the greatest guy. But he was.
He was good, he was enjoyable. But yeah, So, I
mean, I don't think we're like, I mean, I don't know if
we'll see Anna again, but otherthan yeah, I don't know, Like

(02:03:38):
I assume everybody else will be back, right, I assume. So yeah,
I think so. As you said, you know, when we're watching
this season, I hope we seethe kids that settlement again. I'd love
to go back to that. AndI wonder if Carol is going to collect
her own little group, you knowshe takes with her and then gathers her

(02:04:02):
own little posse that's the word.I was looking for her possey of people
that that she that help her alongthe way, or if she's just on
her own. There's not been alot of visuals of Carol filming. The
only one that you know on locationthat we're cited by people was was she

(02:04:24):
was filming with with Norman on abridge and it was just the two of
them. So I don't think Carolin action so to speak, has been
seen filming. So we have noidea what she's bringing with her in terms
of how she gets there, ifshe's buy the plane, if she you

(02:04:45):
know whatever, or if she's withBlue and his people are completely different groups.
We have no idea. So that'sgoing to be interesting to see how
she yes. Because Carol doesn't trusteasily. You know, they always talk
about that, but Darryl he doesn'tjust trust easily, but Carol certainly does

(02:05:05):
not. She was the one thatwent into Alexandria with a plan. So
if she's in this whole of theother country and she knows that Jeanette's people
there, I mean, is shegoing to go undercover, She's going to
be in Janney's Madam Jeanie's group.That would be interesting. I'd love to
see. I love when Carol's undercovers, so exciting. There's so many possibilities

(02:05:35):
over season two. I'm feeling wecould we could end up seeing her with
them or you know what, Iwonder if we'll I wonder if we'll see
her m hmm. I wonder ifwe'll if the drone will escape, and

(02:06:01):
I wonder if he'll run into eachother. Oh yes, Oh, imagine
if Caudron betreinds he's a good guyand it's like, yeah, I'll take
you to Daryl Dixon so that hecould kill him. Also, I've just
remembered Greg Nicterro previously, I thinka month ago or something like that said

(02:06:29):
Daryl finds himself in a bit ofa pickle where he needs rescue. Yeah,
so when we leave Darryl, he'snot you know, he's with Lauren,
and then then he's not. Iwouldn't say he's in a pickle.
So does he get into a situationwhere he needs rescuing by Carol? That's

(02:06:49):
Is it going to be all ofthe people in the nest or just Darryl
separately? Hm hm, Who knows? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know,
but I do. I do hopethat they It looks like, okay,

(02:07:15):
so it's said that there were Isaw that there they're each down for
seven episodes next season. Oh really, Oh I didn't see that. Oh,
that's interesting. Yeah, there was. I mean, I don't know
how accurate that was. I thinkit was maybe IMDb, oh yeah,
which is always a bit. Yeah. Yeah, it would make sense though,
because David Zabell said when they goback to filming on the twentieth October

(02:07:41):
that they still had a lot tofilm, and as far as I was
aware, they filmed two blocks whichwould have been episode one and two and
seene four, so that if theyonly had two episodes left to film,
but if they have three episodes leftfilm, that's basically half a season.
So yeah, thats there. Imean, if they still have a lot

(02:08:01):
to film, that's not that's notgoing to be accurate. No, that's
definitely not going to be accurate ifthey still have a lot of film.
But it's yeah, I think thatseven and seven was probably just just a
guess, especially if if they're goingto be because we don't know how much
they're going to be filming together.No exactly, we don't. Yeah,
I mean they could only be filmingtogether for two episodes, you know,

(02:08:24):
probably, Yeah, we have noidea, and they could drag it out
so painfully long and they have alreadyYeah, yeah, I know, I
just wonder what that I just wonderwhat that reunion is going to be like,
because you I mean, it's becausethey have to, like you imagine,

(02:08:48):
like with all of the excitement ofCarol being back. Yeah, they
have to top Terminus. Yes theydo. And I've seen a lot of
people seeing that exact same sentiment.It has to talk terminus and how do
you talk terminus. Yeah, it'sa good question. I don't know what

(02:09:11):
the answer is to that. Butdo you have any ideas of what you
think you would like to see oryou know, imagine you would like to
see as a reunion. I don'tlike to think about it because I would
like one of the versions, becausethere's a lot of things I like,

(02:09:35):
but I would like, you know, in the in the first episode,
when Daryl is passing out and Isabellecomes to save him, and it's all
blurred and we kind of were like, oh, there were playing that like
it might have been Carol. Iwould like that to happen again, but
it is Carol, and this timehe's like and then he just you know,

(02:09:56):
he says Carol and then he goesunconscious and we're left with say,
Laurent's by side and Carol and Lawrencelike, oh you're Carol. You know
that would be really interesting. IfDaryl was unconscious, we couldn't react.
So in a sense, since shereunites with him before he does with her,

(02:10:18):
that would be one way would Ithink it would be interesting and it
would take away that pressure of themhaving a big moment because it could be
you know, dragged out a bit. But what I can't imagine is what
do you say to someone in thatsituation? What does Daryl say to Carol
when he thinks possibly he's never goingto see her again and she turns up

(02:10:41):
in France in the Apocalypse and thisand finds him? What? What?
What? What do you say tothat? Like? How? Yeah,
I just, I just I can'timagine drugs, But why I know the

(02:11:15):
line I want Carol to say isyou were late for lunch. You're like,
yeah, he's across the world.He's gonna walk up to Carol and
he's gonna be like, look,let's say, this isn't cool. I

(02:11:41):
put up with a lot of shipfrom you. You drugging me like this
is not so true? That wouldbe so funny, because yeah, I
must be hallucinating. I can't pause. This can't possibly be real. It
must be a hall Yeah, hejust thinks Carol is love saying like he's

(02:12:07):
just hallucinating that. No, itwouldn't be good to know if it's is
that he just literally doesn't believe hiseyes, you know, if he is,
and then Carol, and then Caroljust decides Carol, and then Carol
just decides to kiss him. Yeah, I don't like you like that.

(02:12:41):
I remember if he thinks he's hallucinatingCarol, like he's tied up someplace,
you know, if there's more nickaTerroll's right, he's tied up some place
and captive, and Carol comes inand he doesn't believe it's her, and
then she starts killing all the guardsand everything, and he's like, oh
it's really you, Carol. Yousetting ship on fire? Yeah, that

(02:13:13):
punch. Yeah, for like suddenlyLa Rod to start setting ship on fire.
Yeah, he's like, what's upwith that? He's like, it's
like, oh, I just likesome lady just tell me that. Yeah.
That would be interesting too, tobe serious, as if he hears

(02:13:39):
about her, if somebody else mentionsher and he you know, like season
seven with the whole Richard going tokill her and he's like, say her
name, say her name. Whatif somebody else is like, oh,
there's another American in town. Yes, her name is Carol, and he'd
be like what and then he's tryingto fight. That would be interesting.

(02:14:01):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, butyeah, I think it. Yeah,
I do like the possibility of herrunning into Cadern though. I think that
I think that would be interesting becauseI think there's a lot of I don't
know, I mean, or maybeno, she wouldn't. I don't know,

(02:14:31):
Like I have a feeling, okay, if it's not Caderne, I
have a feeling that she might thatCarol might run into somebody who is Carol
might find out where than where Idon't know, Carol might end up she's

(02:14:58):
looking for Darryl, finds out wherethe nest is, it ends up bleeding
someone to him, ends up leadingsomeone to the nest. That yeah,
that they don't want there because likeyou know, they trick her into it.

(02:15:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,into thinking there. I was thinking
I could see her if if MadamGinny you know, takes people on,
like that's what Caudron said, youknow, he got the tattoo whatever.
It would be interesting to see Carolgo undercovers that, you know, not
just like on the boat forever,but join up because Ginny Jinny is after

(02:15:41):
Daryls, so she knows they willeventually, Yeah to Carol to get to
you, Daryl. Oh my god, that would be for oh lord,

(02:16:05):
but that would be a very Carolthing to do that definitely, not to
get a tattooed, I mean toyou know, to figure out they're going
to find Daryl. So I'm justgoing to ride along with them and then
I'll kill them when I get there. Yeah, yeah, for sure?
Did we Was there anything else thatwe learned? They So we did find

(02:16:28):
out that that The Ones Who Livestarts in February, but they didn't really
talk much about the Ones Who Lives. No, they didn't, so,
but that one starts in February.They didn't say when season two starts.
No, I don't know if itsays on that you know, the trades
are video thing. Maybe it sayscoming spring twenty twenty four or something.

(02:16:52):
I don't know, So we mightfind out more about that on Sunday.
My hope is that they ate itstraight after The Ones Who Live? But
I can see them holding it backtill this time of year again because this
is their primetime viewing. I don'tknow what they're going to do. If
they want to get it out quicklyand keep the momentum going after wrecking the

(02:17:15):
shown, I would put it outbecause I don't think they've got any other
shows filmed yet. You know,they don't have second season of Dead City
films. That's fear has ended,this will be be ended by that point.
Tales of the Walking Dead has beencanned, so it's the only Walking

(02:17:37):
Dead show they have. So thequestion is do they want to put it
out and keep the momentum and keepthe audience and give them time to film
the second series a season of DeadCity, or are they going to hold
it back and then put repeats andstuff on I don't know, and keep
it for autumn and build up,because then if they kept it for autom

(02:18:00):
they'll have San Diego Comic Con tolaunch season two. And but maybe they're
happy with what they did at NewYork Comic Con that was the big launch
for it. I don't know.I can see both both possibilities, but
as a selfish person, I wantto answer it as possible yeah, yeah,
same, same, But I meanI'm excited. I'm just excited to

(02:18:20):
like to be able to look forwardto, you know, the little bits
and pieces of come out along theway, you know. Yeah, a
promo, you know, if weget some season art are you know,
a poster for all that stuff.I love all that stuff and can't wait

(02:18:41):
to see what it's all going tobe. And we can analyze every last
thing to death when it comes.Why come out, That's that's my favorite
thing to do. Oh yeah,for sure. Yeah, we're going to
be doing a lot of that.Yeah, and you know, we'll for
sure do a well for sure,do you know an episode or two during

(02:19:03):
the hiatus, and we are somenews on the after show. We are
because I'm saying this now because I'mnot sure when. I'm not sure when
this episode yeah, well no,this episode will be posted yeah, for

(02:19:24):
the after show. So yeah,I we uh so by the time you're
you're watching this, if you're watchingthis on Monday early during the day,
we did not do the after showlast night on Sunday like we usually do.
We are doing it this evening Mondaynight, So please join us if

(02:19:46):
you can't. If you can we'redoing a pajama party because Don is joining
us and it's going to be worththirty in the morning where she is.
So it's you know, put inyour pajamas and uh, you know,
like you don't have to turn onyour camera, but if you want to
come on the screen and take aphoto with us and in your pjs and

(02:20:11):
you know, that would be Ikind of think that would be really fun
to get a picture of a bunchof people in their inner pjs. But
I'm going to be popping champagne forsure. Yeah, super excited. But
the it's an hour and a halfepisode, so you know we'll be starting
at ten forty ish, yes timeget actually half of three so then yeah,

(02:20:39):
yeah lelone thought I was thinking ofyour time, not not eastern,
So yeah, only be half athree in the morning for me. I
mean that's nothing. And I justwant to say it is all my fault
that we can't do the after partyimmediately after the Fortunately, I have a
funeral to go to on Monday morning, so I'm going to have to sleep,

(02:21:01):
So I apologize and then no sympthings. It's fine, it's not somebody
very close to me, but Ihave to do a lot of driving,
so I'm going to have to haveto sleep for it, so I apologize,
but hopefully we'll make up for iton Monday. Olive had planning sleep
by then. It'll be fun andwe won't have to worry about you falling

(02:21:22):
asleep at the wheel exactly. Wedon't want to be the cause of that,
yes for sure. So yeah,yeah, we're your few days.
Also, our RUL summer Camp coverageis coming to an end. We've got
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which we've been putting a hold onuntil we did put out one episode.
But we're putting a hold on ituntil you know, Derald Dixon and Currel

(02:22:09):
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know we'll be putting out kind ofsemi regular content. We want to do

(02:22:31):
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