La gentillesse des étrangers

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, Hello, Hello again. Guess what, don what You now
have the distinction and it didn't occur to me. Well, actually, yeah,
it didn't occur to me until today. You have the
distinction of being the only co host of mine who

(00:39):
has made it into a second season.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Who that is an accomplishment. I'm deeply flattered that I've
made the cup. I'm glad to be here. Well, I
am glad.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I am glad to be here because I'm glad to
do it with you, Killy.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I enjoy I enjoy our enjoy our time together. So
I'm glad I'm getting to do season two.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Same And you know, and not to some of you
know that my former that my my co host Pamela
is now my former co host Pamela. She's still cool,
she's still awesome, So she's not an ex co host fan.
Just wanted to make that clear.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, yeah, but welcome everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yes, you're joining us for the first time. Welcome, we
are I'm I'm Kelly, Muffin, Keane and uh I'm down.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I've never been to me Glenn. Great, we are on
we are on opposite sides of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yes, yes, I'm in the US.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yes, and I'm in Scotland and it's a six hour
time difference, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, it's it's fun trying to you know, to plan.
It was for a while I recorded a few episodes
with with A when I was searching for a co
host for The Antler Queens. I recorded some episodes in

(02:17):
the interim with Justin from Out of the Woods podcast
and he's in Australia.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
If you tried to do one with the three of us,
that would be hilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, yeah, yes, it absolutely, Oh my god, tri.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
The Triangle or something like that.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
If you're not familiar with Cyborg Queen we are. We
put our podcasts on all the podcast apps so you
can listen to this in your car or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Work.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
This is the Dearyald Dickson podcast obviously, but we also
have other shows both on our channel and as individu
dual podcasts across the podcast apps. We uh we cover
We cover the show from with the From Series podcast.
We have The Antler Queens, which is Yellow Jackets podcast.
And I've got the ones that are coming up, but

(03:17):
which one of my for which one am I forgetting?
We've got We've got teacup coming up. That's Teacup is
a brand new show starting soon starting in October. So
we've got the Teacup TV podcast coming up. We have
death Crunch, which is a a hysteria podcast. Hysteria is
a new show debuting in October. And uh, death Crunch

(03:40):
is actually the name of the band in the song
in the in the show. And we also have the
Severed Floor, which we're going to be starting up soon.
That's our severn our severance podcast. And then so Good,
So Good. Uh, and then in early twenty five we
were going to have Dairy Queen's which is a Welcome

(04:02):
to Dairy podcast. So lots of lots of shows were covering.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
If you're a father of horror, you've got it covered.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yes. In the meantime, I'm catching up on Tell Me
Lies because I didn't even realize the second season i'd
come out.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Do you watch that show at all? No, I've never don't.
I don't even know what that one is.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's so not a Kelly show at all. It's it's
like it's all relationship drama, which is just not my thing.
But I love this show for some reason, just because
it's like it's just such you know, it's just such
scandalous like young people screwing each other over drama, Like
I don't know, it's just fun if everybody on the

(04:43):
show is a complete asshole.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh well that's always yeah, you mean sometimes you need
to actual like that just to kind of get out
your head a bit, and you.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Know, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, we are very excited because
our favorite character has come back to the screen, of course,
that's Carol, and uh, we are going to we're going
to try we're doing something. We're doing something a little bit.

(05:11):
I wouldn't say we're doing anything different per se this season,
but we're going to really focus this season on trying
to give you as detailed of recaps as possible because
there are a lot of people that are not going
to be watching this season. Yes, and we will talk
more about that in our our teaser slash pitch session

(05:35):
at the end. Yeah, if you if you want to
be completely unspoiled and not teased about anything that's coming,
or you know, if you don't want to know what
to expect, then we'll give you a chance to to
uh to turn us off before you you know, before
you get spoiled on anything. But that will be at
the end, and then you know, we'll explain why we're

(05:57):
why we're being so detailed, and why it's so few
people are going to be watching this season, even though
everyone's so excited about Carol coming back. Yes, but yeah,
so basically we're watching it for you. We're hoping that
season three we'll be watching it with you, hopefully. But

(06:21):
oh man, anyway, I already forgot the French version of
the title of this episode.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Le gentille de strangels.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I'm so sorry. If you're Fridge, I think Frange for
one year. I'm sorry. My accent is not the best.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, it translates to the kindness of strangers. What's funny
is that I'm recapping, you know, both Book of Carol
and From right Now, and From actually has a title
with that same episode, which we just recapped not too
long ago, So that's that's kind of interesting. But anyway,
we're not talking about Room today. We are talking about

(07:10):
I will see.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think all the titles appear spoken in every episode.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
And just to be clear, we have seen the whole season.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Because we are in the fortunate position we've got screeners,
we won't try not to spoil you what's coming up,
and only talk about each episode, but be aware that
we have that knowledge in our breed and we can't
forget we know it, so we'll be our base.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yes, absolutely, So the episode opens up with Laurent fighting
a bunch of walkers. He falls and gets scared, and
it's backing up and then they're yanked away and we
see that Darryl has them kind of tethered and he's
basically training Lauren to on how to fight the walker.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's a total misdirect and they make it look like
it's opened up when Laurent is still on the beach
where we left him the end of season one, but
he's not. He's in the beach outside the next training
with Don and I thought, oh, yeah, let's just start
having need to go on, you know, start with a
total miss direct, get the audience on the wrong foot.

(08:22):
And yeah, they're very they love they love the little trick.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
It's so indicative of this season, let me tell you. So, Yeah,
it opens up with with you know it. They basically
tell you what to expect right away. But yeah, so
he's Darryl's training Laurent and Lauren says he'll never be

(08:47):
as good as Darryl, and Daryl mentions it's only been
two weeks, so he's been training him for two weeks.
Do we know how when he started training him, like
what the time was for from when Darryl was trying
to leave to when he started training.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
I'm assuming that that is there their way of telling us,
it's been two weeks since you nearly got on the boat.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's my son.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
So Laurent brings up and it's been with it zabel
or no. Nick Tailor said it's been two to three
months that dial has been in France altogether.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, gotcha. So Laurent brings up Pearjeon and how he
how Pejean believed that the Walkers have souls, and Darryl comments,
you miss him, don't you, and Laurance says he likes
it there and home is where the people you love are.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Please put a neon flashing light over that phreeze.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
That that is a very important message that it's supposed
to be the theme of the season. Apparently it's very confusing,
but you know, we'll, we'll, we'll get there. So uh
A man comes out to retrieve Laurent and Darryl and
Laurent's late for one of his classes, and and the

(10:10):
guy says, Daryl wants uh it, Losang wants to talk
to Daryl. You know, Losang my my my favorite.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Just wait, wait for Cally's moment this season.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
It's coming.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, my moment of my moment of glory. Yes uh
sol Sang is addressing the folks at the Nest and
he says that they received a troubling report from Paris.
They're one of their camps, which is he's obviously referring
to Fullu's location, which was being rebuilt, was rated and

(10:51):
three people were captured, Martin Fournier, Flux and Emile. Very
very worrisome because we love them blew in the meal. Yes,
Sylvie speaks up and says that they're their friends and
helps them get out of Paris. A woman says that

(11:14):
Janet will Will likely what is this woman's name again,
it's just good as.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
It's in the episode descriptions, and I've completely forgotten what
her name is.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I can't think here's Janet, but no, Jenny Francine's terrible
and I'm using my phone to records. I can't tell you.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Oh my gosh, yeah, it's uh feel here, Yeah, she's
fool just referred to her as as as the French lady,
even like dirt. You know, it's all French ladies there, Yes,
but nameless French lady.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
To be fair, we don't know her name at this point.
We just leave name.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
But yes, yes, it's funny that we both forgot her name.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I do apologize people.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
That's unprofessionally, but yes, the one character her name, we're
just like, uh no, don't.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
But yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
So Sylvie speaks up and you know, says that they
got them out of Paris, and a woman, nameless French
woman says Jane will likely use them to get to
the nest, and Isabelle says she doesn't think they know
the exact location of the nest, and Sylvie insists they
have to save them, and Li Sang says they just
need to be patient. Darryl then pops up in the

(12:49):
doorway and mentions if if Janey can't get anything from them,
she'll just kill them. The meeting adjourns right after that
because apparently Darryl brought down the mood of the room.
Okay and uh and Lisang asks everyone exits and Lisang

(13:10):
asks Daryl to stay behind was Sang says that that
uh calls Daryl on the fact that he thinks it's
a mistake not sending a team in right away, and look,
Lisang says that he needs to act prudently. And I'm

(13:33):
just gonna I'm just gonna put this up right now.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
That is so funny because I'm just going to turn
the page on my I don't know if you'll be
able to read this, but.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I literally wrote ren Flang, did.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
That's hilarious?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Mind think alike? Yeahs so funny.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Dear, his manner is very different from the last time
we saw him. He's not as as charming and and no,
doesn't come off as as as pleasant, but uh, yes, Darryl.
Daryl makes a comment that said, you know, sometimes you

(14:27):
got to be willing to throw the first punch, and listening,
says he prefers to throw the last one. He asks
Daryl how long he's staying and he says only until
he can find him another ride, and saying then tells
Daryl that he wants him to stop training Laurent because
he's meant for much more.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
In the next the next phrase is where I start,
you know that guy on Instagram who has the giant
raid flags and he.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Runs the bike with him. Yeah, we need one of
these for the next flight.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
He says that empathy is more important and exposing him
to repeated violence could damage that. Okay, little saying sure, whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Is when Daryl said it's more important than him staying
alive and Lussan says yes, I'm like, no, no, that's that.
If he's saying there's something more important than the kids
staying alive, run.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yes, I totally skipped over that somehow. Yeah, that's very important.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
But what you said about the you know, the repeated violence,
I thought that was quite interesting in terms.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Of Carol and Darryl.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
You know, they are two people who have been exposed
to violence repeatedly through their life and in the Apocalypse,
they're very used to it. They're not blase about it,
neither of them are, but they're both can handle it
very well.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
And I thought that was.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
An in comparison that these two people were about to
watch this season.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Can just you know, do violence like that?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
And he's talking about what that does to you emotionally
and how that destroys you, and obviously that is something
we are going to explore a bit this season.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so. Yeah. He he tells Daryld that
everybody has everyone there has a place if they seek
it out, a place there if they seek it out,
and he's hoping that Daryl will find his place there
as well. I don't know why, I mean, Darryl just

(16:38):
kind of you know, lo saying has been around Darryl
enough at this point that he should he should be
in he should be pushing Daryl out the door.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yes, it's very it is very confusing. But there is a.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Scene and I can't remember if it comes to this
episode or not, where he explains Lucai explains why he's
so desperate to keep Darryll around, and I still went,
oh right, okay, yeah that makes sense because until then
it was like, why does he want Donald?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Alard? You want rid of Donald?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
But his fear is that if Darnel goes, Laurent will follow,
as he did at the end of episode six of
the first.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So Daryld heads outside and runs into
Isabelle and tells her that la Sang WANs Darryl to
stop training Roan. Isabelle says that she thinks that maybe
now that Daryl's there, Laurent needs something else from him,
and ChRI Yeah, and then.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
We saw since you're saying that fatherhood onto the mouth,
if he doesn't want to be the boy's father, don't
force him.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. We you know, we we see how
how how fabulously that's worked out for for Carol. You know,
she doesn't have any trauma from that at all. No, yeah,
so we didn't see what we saw on a teaser earlier.

(18:08):
Isabel says, you don't think you could be happy here,
and daryl' says to you, and Isabelle says she could,
and Daryl says he keeps thinking about all the people
he left behind and if they're still thinking about him,
and then it immediately cuts to Carol on his bike.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Now, there was a leak showing filming of that particular,
just a little tiny chunk of that scene, and the
line that Daryl was originally.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Going to say was different.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
It was that he the longer he was away, the
more people would think he was dead, which is you know,
this version is much more emotive, but it also speaks
to more to who Darryl is because it's talking about
Darryl's fear of abandonment, which goes back all the way
to season one of The Walking Dead show where he's

(19:01):
talking to Andrea about how when he went missing in
the woods, no one came looking for it. So this
is Daryl with abandonment issues, and also with the fact
that when he left Carol, he wanted her to come
with him and she said no for whatever reasons, because
we know that because he said, I wish you were
coming with me, and Carol says, no, it's better for

(19:22):
us a stay. And when he leaves, the moment he leaves,
he leaves her with Judith and Ardie and Ezekiel, and
you I can't help thinking that Daryl.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Obviously this is projection, but that.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Daryl is thinking Carol's back there in comfy, comfy landing
in Commonwealth with Judith and Ardie and Ezekiel, her ex husband,
who he knows wants her back. So I wonder if
he's thinking she's probably gotten back together with a Deekiel.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
She's probably living a.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Life, happy life, and she's got a bakery and she's
got a job, and she's can't.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Got the sinner man.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
You know, all these things that the Commonwealth offers, why
would she still be thinking about him because he has
such bad self esteem, he doesn't think that she would
be thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, but yeah, good point. And you know, and to
be honest with with Daryl not around, you know, Ezekiel
is the person closest to her. Yeah, and like they're
very comfortable with each other. There's zero bad blood there.

(20:33):
She's already hooked up with him once since they broke up. Yes,
I mean, it's it's pretty If I were Daryl, I'd
be thinking, yeah, they're they're they're probably banging already.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
You would. She wouldn't just assume it because he knows
how much.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I'm sure that you know, we don't see a lot
of their conversations that, but we can assume off screen
that they've talked about the fact that is Pekiel keeps
trying to get Carol back, and although she resists because
she doesn't want that relationship with him, she does love
him and wants him as a friend and cares about him.
So I'm sure that Daryl thinks now that everything's quiet

(21:14):
and they're not fighting and they're not whatever. In the Commonwealth,
why wouldn't it happen? Why wouldn't you fall back into
that pattern because the last time she got together with
Ezekiel and lived this life was when there was nothing
to fight, when Rick died.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
You know, that period when Darrol.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Went to live in the woods and Carol went off
with Ezekiel because everything was quiet, so she could go
and live this life. And I wouldn't lame him at
all for assuming that's what's happening again.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I just lost my place in
my notes.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Carol's on the bike cal.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
So, she's a she's buying on the auto shop, and
then she she drives down there and introduces herself as
a friendly I I was going to bring this up,
and I totally forgot the song I Feel all Right
by Steve Girl Yes playing in the background. Did you I.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Wrote that down? But yeah, I didn't take a note of.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
The the lyrics, but it sounds I seem to recall it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
It sounded very much like Darryl. It was a song
that Daryl would be singing yeah about yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
So I I would highly suggest looking up the lyrics
because they're just they're really interesting. It's it's it's I
I always like, I always have to whenever I hear
songs playing in the background or something, I always have
to listen really closely for the lyrics so I can
google and find out, like what song.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I do that too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
But uh, so she puts on her cute little smile
and introduces herself as a friendly and she says that
she tells him that a buddy of hers got got
that bike from you guys, and he thought that they
might be able to fix it. And he asks if
if she's mixed lady, and she just the way she

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nods and smiles is just so adorable. I just I
love it.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
This is just the start of Caddle being awesomely cattle.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
If this is the kind of cattle you love her
being like, yeah, sure whatever, I'm just playing along things.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
You're going to love cattle this season.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, yeah, there is quite a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah. So the guy Carol asks if the guy who
had it before Mick is there, and the the guys
are talking and the guy who has and one of
the guys has Daryld's crossbow, and he steps up and says, uh, yeah,
Dixon won an asshole, and she she keeps grilling them
and uh and Jones the main guy tells her she

(24:13):
should you know, they've all moved on and she should too,
and uh, the dude says that that Daryl was a
piece of shit anyway, And this somehow suggers like, you
don't call Darryl a piece of ship in frend of Carrol.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
It's Caddle's home moment.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yes, you can call him an asshole, because she probably
calls an asshole, but you don't call him a piece
of ship.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
That's going too far. That's a differently together.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
She gets the jump on them, and she picks up
the crossbow and and the guy says, you could have
shoot bitch, So of course she asked to, so she
gets him right the foot.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's never ended well for anyone who called Carole a bitch.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, people would Larry exactly, and yeah, it's She turns
the crossbow on Jones and demands to know where Darryl is.
They try to get the jump on her, but Carol
of course kicks their asses, but in the process a
bolt ends up in the bike's front tire, and she

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demands to know where he is. They tell her that
he got put on a boat to France. Carol thinks
they're completely shitting her. She doesn't believe it at all
at first, but they're very convincing, and she asks if
they're coming back, and Jones says it's the only boat
that they've seen in years. He tells her where to

(25:49):
find the boat yard so she can check it out
for herself. And I love, I loved it. As Carol
looks at the guy who who was like being the
biggest asshole, She's like, this yours at the car, Like,
so that's the car that she takes took his car? Yeah,

(26:13):
And so she gets in the car and tells them
not to follow her, and she also tells them where
to find Mick, and she says he's gotten about an
hour of air left. Give her take.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I love the expression on her face when she's like, yeah,
find way, Yeah, I trusted.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Not sure if this, not sure if this, if this
will interest you guys at all, But you know, just y,
I exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah. She's so funny.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
And takes off and goes to check out the boat yard,
where she just finds a bunch of boats and ruins.
And that is the end of the cold open. You know,
I have to say one thing that The Walking Dead
has always done so so incredibly well is the opening

(27:20):
credits with the music and the imagery, and it's it's
always I still remember the very first time I heard
The Walking Dead the music, I was like, oh my god,
this music is incredible. Yeah, and this music is incredible.
I'm a little disappointed that, you know, this is supposed
to be a dual effort with Melissa McBride Norman Ritas,

(27:44):
and they're not put on you know, they're not They're
not put equally on the front card. But but the
imagery is, the imagery in the music is just beautiful.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, and they've changed some of the titles.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
A lot of it's the same, but they show a
little bit more different shots of France. They show the
Louvera and we see Carol walking alone at one point,
and then where in the first season the sort of
last shot was Darryl and Laurent looking towards the nest,
in this season it's Carol and Daryl walking through a chunnel.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah. So when we get back, Carol's driving and I
love that she has sunglasses on, because we never see
characters with sunglasses on never.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I was like, I love that. Why have we never
seen that before? Maybe they think like if the character's
wearing sunglasses, you can't see their eyes and stuff like that,
but it's just so realistic. It's like these little touches.
That's one of the things I will say about this spin.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Off is they do little touches like that that make
it much more real feeling. Unless this is a television
show and these are television characters, you know, it's much more. Yeah,
there are conversations that feel much more believable, and a moment.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Like this when Carol is wearing sunglasses and it helps.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
She just looks so cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
And we did see Darryl with sunglasses on once. Yeah,
and I want to say it was like season six.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, might be remember, and he.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Was wearing them once and we never saw them again.
It was so weird. But yes, I appreciated that she
had sunglasses on. But she's driving and there's a tape
in the car and it's it's playing I've never been
to me.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
But I have to say is one of my favorite
songs all all time.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Because the lyrics are so bad. I just find this
entertaining that it is so it's just so repulsive, like
the talk.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Of women, women who go out and meet men, where
are doing subtle holding passibly? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, but it is relevant to Carol's story and that's
what I liked to buy this scene as well, that
everything she hears relevant to her. And I've never been
to me is a song about a woman who has
been single all her life and gone to Europe and
slept with kings, princes and rich men. And she's speaking

(30:17):
to a woman who has stayed at home with a
child and said, you've got it good. You you know,
you think your life's boring, but yours is the perfect
life because you've got a husband and a child and
that's everything a woman should ever want. And obviously Carol
had that life and it was terrible. So it's really
clever use of a song, you know, to make a

(30:38):
point about Carol's state of mind at that point that
she's like, I don't want to hear that. I don't
want to hear that my life was perfect and you know,
being single was terrible.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
No, I was married, I had a child and it
was hell. So I can't remember what. The second song
she hears is the city later sooner or later?

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Okay, yeah, sooner, lady, that's kinda get you. Yeah, And
that that apparently, well i've never been to me made
her angry enough to toss it out of the window
sooner or later. Yeah, that wasn't doing her for her either,
and she so she pops it out and then this

(31:23):
is the best one is she puts it in another
tape and it ends up being a meditation tape, and
she frantically starts trying to eject it, but it keeps playing,
and the tape tells her to take a deep breath.
She screamed, and frustration. Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I love it, the little bit she listens to your
unwillingly listens to you.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
And she's say, it's saying, you know, breathing, breathing, compostious, compassion, unforgiveness, bath.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Out fear and stuff, right right, that's that's going to
help her with her multiple.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Dead children, you know. And and and it says you'll
breathe in, and that's take a deep breath in and
center yourself. And that comes back Leach on an episode
as well.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
So I like the way they're doing that. I love
the way they're trying little things together.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah, same. So she she then hears a noise
above her and sees a small plane flying overhead, and
she following in Laurie's footsteps.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
This is a terrible show. What it says about woman drivers?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, she like, Carol, come on, you're like, you're one
of the smartest characters. What the hell are you doing?
She cleans out the window while she's driving to get
a better look, and of course, you know, she as
soon as she puts her eyes back on the road,

(33:00):
there's a walker right there, and so she swerves to
uh to try to to try to get around. No, yeah,
I don't know, but uh yeah, so she uh, she
ends up crashing her car and she gets out and oh,

(33:21):
there was something that I wanted. There's something that that
I that I wanted to point out about the scene
that I put a note on. So a couple of
walkers come at her, and I swear to god, the
female walker that came at her was wearing the same
shirt that Carol was wearing in season two. See yeah,

(33:47):
I swear like, it totally looks like the same shirt.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Have to take that. Could Dody Whale be Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Very interesting And she was wearing she also was wearing
brown pants. Yeah, but I couldn't tell, Like I couldn't
tell if they were like cropped, because Carol had those
cropped pants on. Yes, they didn't show enough of her legs,
but she she had brown hants on. She also had
a jacket on that that loo's nothing like Carol ever wore.

(34:19):
But she quickly puts them down and she starts walking
off through an old drive in movie theater in the
direction of the plane, which I thought that was super cool.
It was yeah, drive in theater, it's it just it
made me think, like so, so I guess there was

(34:41):
just I was trying to wrap my head around it,
like okay, so the outright break happened, and everyone just
got out of their cars and ran because they couldn't
get out.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Possibly if there was like a walker, you know, somebody
turned in the in the actual parks, or it could
be that people w there because it was an open
car park.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
After you know, like the camp but the quarry.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Maybe they thought this was a good place to stay
up and and then didn't survive very well.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
But yeah, it's not it's either way.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
But I love when they bring up situations like that,
would say pieces where you can you know, assimilate to
your imagination to wonder wonder what happens here.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. So then it's nighttime. She tracks down
the location of the plane and she she starts kind
of kind of snooping around. She finds Ash. We late
we later find out his name is Ash my Style,

(35:51):
very very great actor. I really loved his chemistry with
Melissa McBride.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah so much. Apparently he's in The Resident before he
was in this. I've I've never seen him in anything,
but yeah, eye to be shallow for a moment, very
handsome much.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
But he's also conductor and you know, he has really
good screen presence for the character.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
He brings a lot of warmth to you.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, very much. So and and yeah and and he's
very pretty. Yeah but uh yeah, So she's she's snooping
around and she sees him walking out of a greenhouse.
She steps on a branch, which you know, Alertsash, and

(36:37):
he kind of shines a splash, laid around for a
quick second and then just moves on. So she's she's
kind of like down in this pit and a rabbit
runs past, which triggers a like this giant homemade trap,
which is you know, probably I'm assuming to trap walkers.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, and It made me think of Bill and Frank
in the Last of Us. It made me think of
his yea, his compound.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, good call. But Carol, Carol, Carol sneaks
behind it and it starts yelling for help.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
She does a falsi pit stop impression, and.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Ash comes out, and you know, obviously he's obviously he's
standoffish at first, like any stranger would be in in
the in the Apocalypse, But Carol tells him that she
crashed her car and she just wants to know if
he has a first aid kit, and he tells her
that he'll get her fixed up, but then she has
to go, so we see her, We see her cleaning

(37:56):
up the cut on her head and takes to names
and like I said, his name's Ash. The lights start
flickering and the power goes out, and Ash mentions that
he's been having trouble with his generator. It keeps going
out from time to time, which, you know, which is
like you would think that he would get on fixing that,

(38:19):
considering that it's keeping the walkers.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Out, Yeah, and you know, providing him with everything he needs.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's I was a little taken aback by
by how casually he mentioned that, I mean I would
look at that. It's kind of a crisis.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, that top of my checklister to do. Oh, by
the way, when she goes.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Behind the trap and when he comes over, that's when
she says the line that's the title of the episode.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
She says. He's like, why should I help you?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
And she says, I think that even in these times,
we can still rely on the kindness of strangers.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yes, yes, thank you for adding that.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
The woman's name. I didn't get that right, but normal.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, I did get some good looks. But but yeah,
he he mentions the generator keeps going out. He he
gets it going again, and h and then goes back
to Carol and and she mentions that the that she
thinks that the radiator is she smashed. She thinks she

(39:28):
smashed the radiator, and he tells her, you know, there's
no sense in hoping it now. You can stay in
the barn, and she follows, like, I mean, stay the
night in the barn. She's not inviting her to stay
with him, really, but so she follows him out to

(39:48):
the barn and he opens the doors, and it triggers
a memory of Sophia walking out of the barn, which
was really sad.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
And yeah, they did it like they'd obviously reshot it
in that location with another actress playing Sophia. So it
like flashes from because this is nighttime, and it flashes
from night to day and sort of mixes the two
togethers in a really cool way.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
This is Greg Ncutero is directing, and he does that beautifully.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
How he mixes the past, the real flashback, her new
version of it on reality is in that.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah. Now, one thing I think is important to note
is that in in interviews and like, you know, during
San Diego Comic Con when they were doing panels and stuff,
Carol mentioned Melissa McBride mentioned that Carol has, uh, she's like,
let's just let's just say Carol has a desk job

(40:47):
in the Commonwealth and she's bored and it brings up
a lot of stuff. And you know, she she even
said when when things get silent, things get stirred and
she never really properly dealt with so is death. Yeah,
and so she's in a she's in a place where
she's clearly safe and kind of bored, and it's just

(41:15):
it's bringing all this stuff up and she doesn't have
the comfort of Daryl there exactly, and so it's it's
just it's triggering it all over.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yes, And I was thinking about it, you know. It's
the way that I, as a viewer woul feel about
the show.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
When you thought, Okay, now Carol and Daryl are going
to have an emotional conversation about whatever just happened, if
it's Lizzie and Mike, or if it's Leah or whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I would keep.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Thinking, this is when they're going to have the conversation,
and then something else happened and they're back fighting for
their lives. So that was the reason, you know, they didn't,
as well as it being a TV thing. That's what
was happening to Daryl and Carol, and that the anytime
she could have time to sit down and process it,
some other trauma happened on top of it, some other

(42:06):
urgent thing needed to dealt with, and they were on
the run, and they were you know, and so she
never got that time to just sit with it.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yeah, she sees, she gets the flashback,
and then we see she's basically imagining that Sophia is. Yeah,
it was really interesting how they did that because it's
nighttime there. Yeah, but you see her in the present
day in the same location, but it's daytime and Sophia

(42:35):
is coming towards her. So yeah, I thought that was
really interesting how they did that. They like blended the two.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
But what was so funny And this is why I
used to say, Muffin, So, okay, we.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Get screeners and I'm AMC doesn't have close captions on
the screener's unfortunately, so I just turned them on via
my computer, which it's not great.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
There were there were, there were close captions all this
version this year. We did tell them. Oh really, yeah,
I'll tell you. I'll tell you how to get them.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Lear Okay, because I was after like watching two episodes,
I noticed it and went, ohio, all right, there's close captions.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
So yeah, it's uh there. I did hear when I
went back, I did hear a very very fate whisper.
But it's the closed captioning, said Muffin. As Sophia was
walking toward Carol in this traumatic scene. She was definitely okay.

(43:51):
When Sophia was coming out of the barn in season two,
Carol was definitely not whispering the word muffin. Okay, she
was hysterical. My daughter was coming out of barn as
a as a walker.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, I don't know if we're I mean I heard
the muffin as well.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
That's what it sounds like to me, so maybe she
would just sort of that was Carol Low going, oh,
my muffin.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
So weird. I really don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
That that's what what's that's that's what I call my dogs,
which is which is funny, And.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
That's what Norman calls Melissa muffin. Yes, but.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
She she starts panicking, but but Ash kind of ash
puts his hand on her arm and kind of snaps
her out of it and asks if she's okay. He
leads her inside the barn and she then sees the
plane and she asked him if he actually flies it,
and he says that's worth the trouble just to get
up above everything for a little while every day, and

(44:58):
that he shows her to her room for the night,
which which was much nicer than I was expecting. It
was like an actual kind of nice office setup.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I think it's like his workshop. And I thought
the way she reacted to it, I know, I know
I'm a chippers, So I'm always thinking that. But I
wondered if it reminded her of Daryl's room, you know,
and diverge when she goes into and said, oh, smells
like Darryl, but it's like filled of him making fishing
flies and carving things, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
And I thought it felt very like that because.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
She started does this, you know, and it maybe just
because hurry, she's found a plane, but there I felt
like there was a sense of relief.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that. But yeah, it's when
he said you can sleep in the barn for the night.
I thought she was going to be like sleeping on it.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yeah, definitely she was.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
She was sleeping in a very nice room.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
But in the morning he wakes her up and brings
her breakfast, which was which was very sweet of him,
and she asks if he could help her with her
car and that he tells her that he's taking his
plane up at about three o'clock and at that time
he'll he'll search the area for vehicles and try to
find some missing car parts. And he tells her she

(46:18):
she hopes he's not she's not keeping him, and he's like,
what are you talking about. She's like well, I'm sure
you have somewhere better to be than flying around looking
for car parts, and he tells her he has everything
he needs right there.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
And.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Which is kind of true but kind of not true.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, it makes me think if it bitch referring, you know,
in a broader sense, referring to what's going on with Dail,
I don't know, it could just be you know about
him at that point, but it's an interesting same.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yeah, it's it's foreshadowing for ashes storyline, Yes, which sounds
so great to say that this supporting character actually has
their own storyline, right.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
But so he's his watch makes noise and he rushes
out saying chit, chit and starts running off toward the greenhouse.
Then later that day he's flying out and Carol of
course uses that time to check out the greenhouse, but

(47:34):
it's locked, so she goes back in the barn. She
starts looking through some stuff and she finds a map
which she starts checking out, and she's, you know, she's
looking at France on the map, and the generator then
goes out, and walkers start kind of trickling in a
little bit. But since the generator is out, you know

(47:57):
she can now get into the greenhouse, so she uh,
she goes in there, and she finds in the back
this gorgeous tree memorial for who was clearly his son,
and there's like there's a bunch of toy planes hanging

(48:22):
around it, and there's a photo of him on a
swing smiling. There's a Boston Red Sox hat and some
candles and other things, and there's a music box which
she picks up and it starts playing you or My Sunshine,
and she starts singing along with it and starts crying,

(48:44):
and she hears She then hears the sound of the
plane coming back and tries to rush out, but just
then all the walkers start flooding in from everywhere, and
she quickly gets rid of them all, but she encloses
herself when she was really smart, closes herself in the
middle of several shelves. She just brings them all like

(49:06):
surrounding her on all sides, so they can't.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
So she doesn't have a weapon. She uses a pair
of shears and introduwsing a little handspeed. Yeah, so she's
no weapon, so actually needs.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Help, yes, So she she climbs up them and breaks
the greenhouse ceiling to climb out, and she sees Ash.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Can I just say in the rest of the season,
not a spoiler to see that.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Carol has a lot of activities, this kind of action stuff,
and sometimes it is very obvious when it's a stunt woman.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
But I was like, that's Melissa climbing that. You can
see her face, you can see it. I was like,
well done her, She's really climbing this stuff. I really
like that.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, definitely. Well, hey, I mean you know she did
the she did that whole like hanging in the gym.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah she did yeah ghosts.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, yeah, when she was hanging upside down and killing
a bunch of walkers. That was that was pretty bass moment. Yeah,
she she did that herself.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
But just as she's climbing out, she sees Ashes back
and he's yelling at her. He's like, what the hell
did you do? And I'm just thinking, okay, Ash, your
generator is faulty. Why is this Carol's fault?

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Yes, the glass roof, you know, when he's like, yeah,
this is this is your issue. Your your place is
flooded with walkers and your issue is cold. Yeah, your
place is flooded with walkers. Because your generator sucks.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
And if he was obsessed, she was in the greenhouse,
I mean her, the place was flooded with walkers. It's
an easy excuse to say, like, get away from.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Him, exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what I would have done.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I found his anger really a little a little confusing
and mistered. But they start clearing out the walkers together,
and she asked him to just let her finish up
by herself, and he's like, fine, and then finish up
and then get out and I'll let you. I'll let

(51:30):
you take over from here.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
So she comes back and we see her sort of
walking through his grounds and she comes up to tell
him that, you know, all the walker's bodies are outside,
and she's trying to apologize to him. He's still sitting
in the greenhouse morning at the shrine, and she just says,
you know, I just I was curious, but I wanted

(51:53):
to know more about you because I hope maybe we
could be friends. Something that I really that I'm missing.
And I thought that was an interesting bit, is that,
you know, that felt real that even though Carol did
have so many friends at Commonwealth, she still didn't feel
connected to them, and here. She is trying to make

(52:13):
a connection with this guy, and he says, Ash says,
your friends aren't what I'm missing, and he tells her
about his son Avi. He was seven when he died,
and he died at eight twenty three in the morning.
Carol realizes, that's when you come here, and he says, yeah,
I come to be with him. Is it just sort
of apologize for the fact that I let him wander off?

(52:36):
That phrase, you know, it's exactly what happened with Carol
and Sofia. So that really stabs you in the heart,
that one. And you know, I didn't protect her like
a parent, It didn't protect him like parent should. And
so he made a play for him here and Carol says,
where you can keep.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
It safe, you know, And so they have that, and
in that moment, Carol is obviously seeing something more than
just this is the guy I could use to get
to get a plane ride with. And he explained about
his plane.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
He says that Avi's mom left a month after he
was born, so it was just the two of them,
and Avi loved plane. And so after Avi had died,
he hadn't left the building for you know, some time,
and eventually when he did, he found this plane or
bits of this plane, and he took it back home

(53:34):
bit by bit, and he found manuals and he got
all the missing parts he needed and slowly built it.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
And it was it.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
You know, it saved him. He felt like it was
a sign, like Avid sent this, and that again is
a phrase.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
That is going to come up again in the season,
that something is a sign and and you know it's
something that The Walking Dead does anyway, and that we
saw a lot of it in season one when the
mother Superior that Abby dies and she says to Daryl,
look around.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
You look at the signs. There's reasons to believe.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
So he learned to fly, and Carol realizes that the
reason he doesn't fly anywhere is he wants to be
near Avi.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
He just wants to leave Ave.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
And ashe says, you know, when I go up there,
I'm tricking myself into thinking that the world was how
it was, And obviously Carol really connects with that. So
Carol's fixing up the greenhouse. She's taping up and Ash comes.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Over to her and says, I'm going to have dinner
and do you want to join you?

Speaker 3 (54:38):
So he's obviously, even though at that point Carol hasn't
told him anything about herself, just him opening up has
made this connection.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And so he goes into his he's preparing dinner.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
And Carol comes into his kitchen and it is a
stop in your tracks moment and it beautifully shot. Again
well done, Greg Nikoto on the table in a beer
bottle is a Cherokee road and I was.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Just like, yeah, yeah, I thought that was great.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
It really was.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
And Melissa, of course Moza plays everything exemplary, but that
was really a beautiful moment where she stopped and Ash
obviously sees her reaction. He's like, oh, are you learning,
and she's like no, no, she sits down, and he says, oh,
they're They're a symbol of hope, you know. And she's like, yes,
I know, and we get the cheroke he roes flashback.

(55:34):
We hear Daryl's voice come through and him him speaking
to Carol about what the what the rose represented that
he thought.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I believe this one bloomed for your little girl. So
it's it's a really nice thing for people who maybe
aren't too familiar.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
With that part of the of Carol and Darryl's history.
But for the rest of us, it's a nice reminder
of how their relationship was formed. That it came about
because Daryl refused.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
To give up home and he kept on looking for Spear.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
When everybody else had given up, and even Carol had
he was the one that kept hoping and kept looking.
And it's a really nice callback, not just about Sophia,
which is obviously a really what Carol's story is about here,
but it's also a nice reminder of what Daryl did
for Carol, and so's why she's going to these lengths

(56:29):
to do this for him, that he did all of
this for her daughter, and so she will always go
looking for him.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Yeah, yes, I mean, you know, talk about like talk
about a sign, you know, for like, what are the
chances that not only is there a Cherokee rose, but
in like in a beer battle.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yes, yeah, exactly, it is exactly the same. It's totally
a sign. And if we are to believe, you know,
there is a greater power.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Whatever the show wants to see as whether it's God
or the universe or the fates, they clearly want Carole Darryl.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
They want Carol to get to France and find Daryl because.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Obviously we go, well, it's just TV, you know, the
for plot reasons things happen.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But the fact that they show these little signs for
Carol to show that.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Something is these things are happening to you for a reason,
and you are destined to do this, which is really special,
and it's it's.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
A really lovely moment, and Melissa.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Plays it that where she's like she's sad, but she's
also kind of happy because it's a memory of warmth
that Daryl brought her and you know, a fond memory
of Darryl in.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
A dark time. And then she starts Ash asked her
about her family. Do you not have anybody here? And
he's like, oh, sorry, you know, I shouldn't have asked that.
Is there anybody waiting for you?

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Actually is the free us I've ever got, which is
of course exactly what our friend, our pigeon man in
France said, you know what he said.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
About Darryl, that maybe he hit someone waiting for him,
And she says no, and she started talking about her
marriage to Ed.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
She pretends that that is her most recent history, that
she was married to Ed and it was a difficult marriage.
And then Sophia came along and she says a line
that I want everybody listening here to remember and hold
on to you.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
For the next five she says, it's.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Amazing that something so bad can lead to something so good. Yes,
and she's talking about Sophia, obviously coming from her abusive Marge.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
And so Ash asked sur where Sophia is now, and
Carol Is does her amazing thinking on her feet comes
up with a ruse and she says, oh, Ed took
Sophia just before the world turned, and Ed took to
Sofia to.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Visit his France and France in France. I thought it
was funny that she didn't mention, you know, my surname
is Pelotier. It's a French name, because that would.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Totally makes sense that she's saying her family husband is
from France or his family is from France.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
And she says, you know, I'd never been any place.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I didn't even have a passport to explain why she
doesn't go, but she says, you know, this twelve year
old flipping about Europe with her with her dad, and
she said she tried to reach a bunch of times,
never heard anything from her, and of course, as being
an intelligent man, says, hang on a minute, you don't
want me to fix your car, You want me to
fly you to France and you know, and he says,

(59:58):
so you.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Lied to me, and I'm thinking, oh, dear, well, yeah,
I guess what. She's going to lie a lot more here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
But she says that if you knew Abby was out there,
wouldn't we do whatever it took to get him back?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
And he just says angrily, but he's not, and and
you know that's them. But so then we go back
to France.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
We're at the nest and Lausanne, our favorite Buddhist monk,
is practicing fighting with with another acolyte, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
He just said that empathy is more important.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yes, yeah, just waiting for the hole in this scene.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
And Darryl comes in and reports that Mathis scouts have
got word back that Jan Jenny is moving the prisoners
to another facility and that Mathi's team are going to
intercept it with bombs on the road. They're just going
to turn over the cars, and Daryl says he's going
to go and join them. Lussang is not impressed with that.

(01:01:12):
He says, we're a pacifist movement we resist violence.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I love that, Dal said, so do I when I can. So,
you know, he sees that he has to do what
he has to do.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
And Lussang gives this speech about how it's not a
weapon that he has. He has a an Aikido Joel.
He says, it's just preparing for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
It to be a weapon.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
And that's when Dara says lying and all the teasers,
and he says, sometimes you know, you have to prepare
to punch first. And but then Lasang sort of gives
in and he says, Okay, that's fine. You go with
them and bring them back to the desk, says Darli,
and do you want to have you fight with me?

(01:02:03):
And dfted not with that toothpicko. It would have been
an ideal moment moment to make a little Morgan reference,
like I know a guy who fought with one of those,
you know, I would have loved a Morgan reference.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Here, but no callback. Yeah, next we got so we
go back to America and Carol is leading. We see
her walking out of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
The place where the Ash is keeping the plane and
she's walking away, but here pulls up a cat and
it's Ash and he pulls up and it's you know,
the scene that which I think is probably one of
the first scenes that was released of this this season
where he says to her, of course I would do
anything for av The question is would you, because.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
That's the point. It's not that she's saying, hey, you know,
you would do anything for your son.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
He's saying, you're asking a stranger to do something for
your daughter, and would you do that? And so he says,
you know, would you give up everything for somebody else's
chance to find And she says, if there was hope.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Of finding them alive, I would, And we know Carol
is not lying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
That is Carol, that is to her core, she will
do anything to help somebody else at the sacrifice of
her own mental health, her own happiness, everything, because if
she thinks it's what needs to be done, she will
do it, which of course started back in the prison
with Carol, David and Karen and David and the Lizzay

(01:03:31):
and Micah and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Happened was that, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
You know, Ashes wants to make sure she knows what
she's talking about. We're going to be flying across the ocean.
We don't have anybody on the other side to make
connection with. So with no communication, we don't have any
weather forecast. We're flying blind, basically, and Carol just says,
it's my only option.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
And he says, and this is the very interesting part.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
This part was released today on by I can't remember
which outlet, but they released this little clip. And he
says to her, by now hot change because obviously, in
his thoughts, Sophia has been missing for twelve years.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Fine, now would do it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
But Carol answers, and we know that she is telling
the truth. At this point, when you are lying, hide.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
As much of it in the truth as you possibly can.
And that's what she says. I couldn't keep waiting feeling stuck.
I had to move forward. I had to try.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
And we know that although that is true, that if
the feel is live, that's exactly what she would be doing.
We know that in this moment she's talking about Darryl.
This is she's feeling stuck, she's feeling waiting for him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
She wants to move forward and do something. So she says, couping,
We've got work to do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
And spoiler alert, Carol, who you know, has become an
expert and everything she does it's going to become an
expert at the plane maintenance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I love that She's like she'll just take on anything.
Carol could do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
And she asked, how on earth they're going to have
enough ethanol to get across the water.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
He says, well, come and look at this, and he
has a huge shed. Fool, you had nothing else to do.
He's made all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
And we see them preparing their picking food to take
with them, and he says, you know, where are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
We going to start? I have an address for Aide's aunt.
Which does that bit confused me because I thought, where
does she start with Darro? She doesn't know. All she
knows is he got.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
In a boat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, so she's just going to completely start any place.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Much Yeah, because they don't even tell her where the
boat came from, just say they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
They didn't say what port it was from. So she's
just like, wow, we'll just go to frant.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And you know, there's a really awkward moment where she's
ash is like starting to get really excited at the
prospect that Carol might find her daughter, and he's saying,
you know what, wouldn't be amazing if you find her
and you think you'll recognize her. And it's making Carol
really uncomfortable because she's lied to him and it's starting

(01:06:20):
to mean something to him. And she says to them,
you know, Ash is fixing the plane and to so
that they can get enough fuel to across the ocean.
We'll just pretend that works, and in terms of logistics,
we'll just pretend a small plane can fly across the
Atlantic Ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
And she says, so, you know, I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Make sure are you sure you're doing this, that you're
going to leave this place and you're going to leave
Abby And Ash says he didn't leave the place for
months when when Avy died, until he found the plane
and it saved me. If you're not moving forward your
day again, this is a big important phrase that he's

(01:07:04):
setting up for his story and Carol's. As they go
through the season, we go back to France, and I
think this whole ext this whole bit was again one
of the first bits they leaked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I think it was like just after season one they put.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
This out with with Daryl and the group trying to
blow up the convoy that Janey's in and it doesn't
it doesn't, so but we see them preparing for it
and say in matha, Sainted Darryl, you know, we're just
going to go in and get out, get them, get

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the people, get out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Leave.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
And meanwhile we go back to the nest and Lusang
and mistery named Frenchman.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Are having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
And this really reminded me of a scene in the
original X Files film where the all the bad guys
are discuss saying, why don't they just kill Darryl? Why
do they have to keep trying to kill Carol Darryl Mulder?
Why don't they just kill Mulder, you know? And they say, no,
if we if we, if we kill Mulder, we will

(01:08:13):
turn his one man search into your crustade. We must
take away that which he owns most dear to him.
That same vibe of them saying what are we going
to do? And she's talking about moving the ceremony forward
and says, no, we still have work to do. And

(01:08:35):
she said, she said no, but you're never going to
win them over, especially not the American, and Lician says, no,
the boy's not ready and she's you know him or
you and you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
And this is the big Lausan and this Lady and
the nest do not have good intentions for for Laura Laurent.
They have something in mind for him, and they know that. Darryl, especially.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
John's laughing because I'm putting up three red flags.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, it's gone all red flags. It's just there's not
enough lid talk. It's just such a you know, it's
we saw it coming, and a lot of people didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
I heard somebody who said they were in a group
with with people saying that some of whom had seen
the episode at the Tribeca or at one of the
Feelings over the summer, and they were.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Like, people who had seen it were still saying the
sang's a good guy and they were going after that scene.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I told it before we even met.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
His name, you just knew.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I mean, I'm sorry, but like if she controlling all
the ports, but he could still get a boat.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Yeah, you know, yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Dirty he's doing some dirty shit on the side.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Yes, you saw it, and you know, and everybody else
should bow to you. I'm sorry, Well that's just the weird.
So we go back to America's Now Night and there's
a thunderstorm brewing. A lot of the visuals in this
scene were really really fantastic, and they used them a
lot in the trailers and you can understand why. So

(01:10:31):
the thunderstorm is happening and they're saying, oh, well, we
need to get the scene to git.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Away safely, and that's when sorry, and that's when Ashes is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
You know, it's really getting excited and asking to Carol
if she's going to recognize a few, which I think
is lex is like twelve years later and they are
still acting like they're going to work for a child.
She's a twenty four year old woman. If yeah, you're
not going to rescue a child, it's a grown woman
who you know, Carol could have been a grandmother for abably. No,

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the lightning strikes and kelt the breeze fries the generator
switches that off and it catches fire and sets fire
to their the shed where all the ethanol is and
that explodes. Fire rains down and Ashes saying we need
to a fine oue or the plane is going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
To catch light and we could never leave.

Speaker 5 (01:11:34):
We go back to France.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
This is is quite funny because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
It's like nighttime in America and daytime in France, and
I'm like, they like six hours so the convoy comes
the trip wire or the mind that the set doesn't
go off, and rather than just go, oh, well, that's
this opportunity, that just goes in with the gun and
starts shooting at the jeep, which causes a crash, and

(01:12:01):
Janie's in one of the vehicles and she crashes. They
go and pull the people out of the back of
the transport truck. So we see a meal this other
trap Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
And Falu Verry Fellu.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
How do you love him? He's your favorite, definitely, And
I love that the way he's sort of he's obviously
been hurt in the you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Know, being taken and he sort of hit.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Daryl helps him down and says, come on, let's get
you home, buddy, which I just thought was okay, that's buddy.
So back in in America, it's all going off, and
I absolutely adored this. Carol is pushing the plane into
position and she's saying out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Loud to herself, Carol, you're going to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Loved it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
After the meditation takes here's Carol giving herself some affirmations.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Yes, Carol, you yeah, and she says, you know, I've
never been in one of these, so they he tells
her to grab the toll bar back France. Jenny.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Darryl hears some laughing and can hear's Jenny. She's she's
been injured in the crash, but she's okay, and she's like,
of course it's you. And he is about to shoot
her with his rifle, and there's an explosion behind him,
and when he turns dinner, she's escaped.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
She's got worse. Of course. Oh. One of the things.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Actually, what Jenny says is I should have known it
was you. Angels always send their most vicious demons to
do their dirty work.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
I'm like, that's Carol. Carol is the most vicious demon
coming across the water.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yes, Daryl's the angel because he's the angel wing, and
Carol is his most vicious demon that will come and
kill anyone who messes with Daryl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I thought I liked that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
But we go back to America for one last time. There,
Carol fights off a lot of walkers that nearly get out. Again,
this was all Melissa really pushing people off. She pushes
them into the propellers so they get chopped pieces and
she finally gets in and as we all all remember
from season ten and season one, Carol is claustrophobic. So

(01:14:24):
the fact she is getting into this tiny little plane,
which my husband told me the kind of plane is,
and I completely But she gets into this plane and
she puts the headsets up, and she's obviously really really
feeling it, very very anxious, and so she's got her
eyes closed and the Ash takes them along through the

(01:14:45):
walker We always cleared the path through the walkers antil
they take off, and I really thought this was so
well done that then she just hears Ash's voice through
her earphones telling her to just close your eyes and
say to yourself, just like that, Yeah, like that tape
had done earlier, but it's it's Ash, and he says,

(01:15:07):
there's nothing to be afraid of up here, you know,
open your eyes. And she looks out and you can
see the sun beginning to rise and it is so
beautiful and she's she's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Got hope, you know. And it ends on such a
constant note that Carol is heading to France to find that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yeah. Yes, so before we go, you know, I'm just
like I said a few minutes ago, I'm just so
happy that we actually have a character, a supporting character,
who has their own storyline. It's just that it never

(01:15:48):
happens ever, No.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
No, and if it does in episodes like here, You're
not here, you know with Morgan and the Fantastic I've
forgotten the actors saying the fantastic actor who played the
sporting role that one But by the end of that
one episode he's dead. And that's what happened in the
ones Who Live as well. We you know, we loved

(01:16:10):
not in episode two, but by the end of episode
two he was dead. So with everybody else that Michean
had met. So it is lovely to just go through
an episode not have him die at the end of
the episode and and have his own story and his
own agency and just be a really interesting and great

(01:16:31):
additions to the dynamic of with Carol.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
You know, it's a great addition with Carol.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So who was your Yeah, we really
needed This is the one show that we don't have
a fun name for the MVP and LED because I
can never think of one. No, but we've really should
come up with something, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Listening is can think of a good name?

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Yes, yes, let us know. So who who is your
MVP and your l VP for this week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
We should just call it the Ash of the week
because we have because or you know what, we could
call it the Nats who is our gnats of this episode,
because we loved that and the ones who live in
it was such a way he was killed office quick
lady was it is Ash. It has to be Ash.
He's He's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Somebody who has obviously been on his own and this
woman comes into his life. And even though things, as
they all would do when when a walking character comes
into your life, hell breaks lose very quickly. After that,
the fact that he instantly can you know, can see
something in her that connects with him, that they have

(01:17:49):
both both lost something. Of course, he thinks her daughter's missing.
He doesn't think she's necessarily lost her the same week
he is. But the fact he's so open to her,
and and you know, even when she's upset him, he
forgives her and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Is willing to do take a chance on her. And
I just think that's also, you know, the kindness of strangers.
It's not so much about that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
It's about the fact that he is willing to take
a chance with his own life that he can do
something useful with it. And and that's an important lesson
that even if you might not help yourself, you may
not be in a position to help yourself. If you
can help others, then you'll feel better. And that's what
he realizes he can do. He can do this for

(01:18:34):
her and make himself feel better about some things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you on on ASH.
It's we do have a you know, it's funny because
on our from podcast we have a there's our our
MVP is the pancakes board. In our LVP is the box.

(01:19:01):
Who's going in the box, And we there's one character
in particular who's just permanently in the box. We have
to we have to like pick somebody else because because
he's just he's just always in the box. But but yeah,
so it's like ASH with ASH, it's kind of such

(01:19:23):
an obvious choice that like I almost feel like I
need to pick somebody else. But yeah, but this is
our first year time meaning ASH, so you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Know, yeah, yes, and yeah, there's not a huge amount
of characters in this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
There was not a huge characters in this scenes. Yeah,
but yeah, you know, they're they're very little.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Carol doesn't interact with anybody else that will only really
interacts with Isabelle on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
The song in this episode, So it's there's not a
lot of choice feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Yeah, and what about LVP.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Of course, for revealing his true nature, he may as
well have a cloak, to be fair, I just want
to see the actor is not like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
It's not bad acting. He's a very good actor because
he does manage to cover that sort of menacing but
remaining serene, which I think is a really good mix
for a baddie. But it was when he said when
Daryl said, well, that's more important than than Lawrence being alive,
and he said yeah, and I was just like, Nope,

(01:20:34):
that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
He thinks there's something more important than keeping the kid
alive than his motives are questionable.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Yes, it's yeah. The saying might, the saying might might
get a permanent spot on the LVP list for me,
So I may have started picking somebody else. But since
this is the first episode.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
And because we can't remember that woman's name, we can't
make yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Yeah, just is it just it just not just suddenly
came to me, I can't remember. I mean I will say,
you know, for for backups, I would say my backup
MVP would would I'm actually gonna go with Darryl on this,
even though I'm like so excited for Carol, because you know,

(01:21:29):
Darryl like flu and a meal would be dead by
now if if.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Ahead exactly Yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
On him for that. My backup l v P would
would probably be uh be the the the guy who
said you could have shoot bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Oh yeah, I forgot I have Yeah? Was he the
same one that called pie?

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Yes, I was very slip.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
I just called done and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Oh my gosh. Before we get out of here, we
are gonna have a little not not like real spoilers,
but just you know, kind of like teasing the season
a little bit slash bitch sessions. So if you don't
want to know anything, if you're the kind of person
who you know, skips previews and does it, you know,

(01:22:27):
you don't want to be teased about anything, then tune
out now and we will see you next week. Just
in FYI, we are not doing an after show this
season for multiple reasons. We're actually I, like I said,
I'm covering From and that show is also on on
Sunday nights, but so we're we're doing a From after show,

(01:22:50):
and we just we're really all that excited about doing
one for the Book of Carol. So yeah, so we're
not too that. But you know, we'll be back every
week with our recaps, which will be up on Monday,
the monday following the episode. I may actually even I
may actually schedule them to just go up Sunday night.

(01:23:11):
That might be better.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
We'll see how that. We'll see how that goes. But
uh yeah, yeah, just uh, they'll be up either Sunday
night or Monday. But so step out now if you
don't want to be spoiled, and we will see you
next week. So okay, we begin. So AMC in promoting

(01:23:38):
the show has given us three main taglines. To find
home is to to find each other is to find
home or to find home is to find each other.
Yeah yeah, even heroes need saving and some some fonds

(01:23:59):
are borderless.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Also to fight to reunite.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that too. That one of those
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
There appears to be a very real disconnect between the
promotions and the events that happened on speed or at
the very least, how those events up here should be,
you know, how an audience will lead them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Yes, and there are several reasons why a lot of
people are choosing not to watch the season and why
they're upset. My reasons are a little bit different. I'm
not going to go into those reasons because they're spoilers
that have leaked out, but my reasons are a little
bit different. And the main source of my anger at

(01:24:56):
this season is that is the marketing of this show.
I just feel completely lied to and manipulated. They basically,
you know, they gave us the storyline of the season
and it's not it's not what's happening. Yeah, I've never

(01:25:23):
seen it. I've never seen a network do that before,
and it's just really insulting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Yeah, it feels as though, and we should say this
about screeners. We were given screeners because we believe, because
we asked for disability accommodations, and we're really grateful that
AMC took that on board and gave us screeners. Screens
did not go out when they normally would, which at

(01:25:48):
the start of the season is normally sort of four
to six weeks before years to allow readers to watch
the whole season and create their impressions so they can
write previews, which the embargo is lifted on the twenty
third of September. I do believe that screeners did go
out to a wider audience, but only a week before

(01:26:11):
this premiere, so last Monday, which feels as though AMC
knows that it was going to be a controversial season
and they didn't want a lot of people knowing that
and talking about it, which.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Is a very odd thing because if you know it's.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Going to upset the audience a lot by doing in
the first place, well, it's like they bought the season
in and going, oh no, this is going to irritate
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
We don't want them to know too far.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Bands because they might not watch, so we'll just you know,
put it up front, give them to give them less time.
But it's like there wasn't their decision, but they've made
the show. They ultimately are the ones who make the
calls on what happens and leave at this to help
truly allowed this to hum.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Yeah yeah, and and you know, it's it's really upsetting
that they kind of sold this whole season. They used
Carol's Carolyn Darryl's history together, yes, to kind of sell
the season, and there's no satisfying you know, there's no

(01:27:25):
satisfying conclusion to that. There's it's just I mean, you know,
obviously we're not gonna spoil anything, but yes, it's incredibly frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Yeah, there there is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
You know, there are some people think that a lot
of the unhappiness about this season is just coming from shippers.
But I know personally isn't as filt to some people
who are unhappy, who.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Are just dotal fonds. They don't ship Donald Cattle at all.
This isn't a shipper.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
If it's happening, it's about Donald largely, it's about Donald's
characterization and how he's represented compared to the Daryl we
thought we all knew from the eleven seasons of The
Walking Dead. David Sable, in an interview with s Effects,

(01:28:17):
talked about that he.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Wanted Darren Carroll's relationships to be challenged in a way
and that it was the only way to move it forward.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Because we haven't been through that already.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
No, of course for twelve years.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
Thirteen well it's absolutely sort of fifteen, but anyway, thirteen seasons,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
A very odd choice if this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
I've spoken about this on social media and so has Kelly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
That we believe that we can see the overall picture
of what they are trying to do with Daryl's character
and where this is going to go. However, that doesn't
make the watching of it any easier. As I said that,
like you know, something something good from something bad.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
I think that they're building to something good and an
exploration of Darryl and Carol's relationship just generally speaking, not
in it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
I don't mean in a shippy way, but just their relationship.
But the road to there is very hard in season two,
with very little reward.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Yeah, yeah, I agreed, it's I don't know what they're doing.
I will also say that, you know, Norman ritis has
said over and over and over again that the finale
is the best hour of anything related to The Walking
Dead ever, And I actually I was watching it by

(01:29:59):
myself and I actually cracked up during the finale this show.
And it wasn't because the acting was bad or anything.
It was just no, there were so weird choices.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
And you know, I again, I think I can see
what Norman was saying. I think he's probably apologies for
speaking for Norman. I hate to speak for somebody else
who I don't know, but I feel as if what
he's talking about is because there's a lot of really
good acting from Melissa's especially, but also from other characters.

(01:30:41):
I won't spoil which ones because that might spoil who
lives and dies with the season. But there are other
characters in this who get their sort of moment in
the Spotlight and episodes six, and they have a big speech,
and I suspect that's what Norman is trying to do.
He's trying to be altruistic and say there's some amazing
acting in that, but indeed, so is HYPERBALI has led

(01:31:06):
to expectations that are not met. I was asked on
Twitter what my favorite episode order is. I probably will
change it because I need to rewatch all the episodes again.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I watched them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
You know, when you binge, something if you say, becomes
a bit sort of mixed in your mind. But I
will say that episode four is my favorite by a
long stretch. Episode one, six ' five, they're all kind
of in the middle, Episode two and three at the bottom,
which we will be getting two next week, so we'll

(01:31:41):
be you. We'll talk to you through that when it happens.
But I think that, yeah, the episode six, hight sadly
does not live up to the expectation, and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
It makes me sad.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
We don't want to sit here and complain. We want
to be here saying how much we love this and
how you know, amazing it was. We desperately want this
to do well. We love Melissa so much where so
you know, engaged with her. We desperately want it to
be a success for her, if nothing, if nothing else
but just to be a Walking Dead fan. We want

(01:32:14):
the show to be a success for that reason as well.
And so when it does stuff that does not make sense,
and that's the bit My biggest issue with it is
when we come out of all of this, and I'll
talk about this at the end of the season, is
I do not understand the choices they need and I
don't I don't see the benefit of it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah, yeah, and it's it's frustrating to me that So
there was a I think this was was this from
one of the panels that the snippet just came out
recently about where Norman Ritas and David Sabele were arguing about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Yeah, No, it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
From the part of it was, Yeah, Entertainment Weekly's Dot Ross.
I believe he actually went to Spain on the set
of season three to talk to normally.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Okay, gotcha, Yeah, it was. It was so so frustrating
because Okay, first of all, last last year San Diego
Comic Con. Last year, the panel was a hot mess there.

(01:33:33):
It's like no one was on the same page, and
David's Abel seemed like he wasn't even involved with the show.
So after after seeing David's Abel like carry himself last year,
like he didn't even like know what was going on
in the show, it's really frustrating to see him arguing

(01:33:57):
with Norman ritis about who his character is. It's you know,
like to where it's documented. I mean they were basically
talking about whether or not Darryl loves Ron and Daryl's
and Norman Rita said no, and David Zabel was was

(01:34:19):
pushing him to say yes.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
The fact that that is such a core element of
who Daryl is, and it is also the entire driving
plot of this show for the two seasons, is Darryl's
feeling you know about Laurent has protectivenesss feelings, and that
after having not just written, but filmed and completed both seasons,

(01:34:46):
they still can't agree on it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Yeah, does a lot is an alarm. It's red flags.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
Yes, Kelly's leaving all the red flags, and it's it's
a red flag when your showrunner, on your star who
knows the character better than anyone else, do not agree
on the core motivation of the main character.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
After the show it's over, that's bob.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's very bad. And it's just
I mean, I don't see what I like. Okay, Darryl
is not the same Daryl.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
And when I say that, I don't say that he's
not the same in a way that he's like evolved
or grown. No, he's just someone I don't recognize.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Yeah, And it's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
It's just really frustrating, you know, after some.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Of the things Donald says and does are just just
seems so wildly not done.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And you know, and this is a
character where I'm gonna be honest, I always kind of
low key shipped Carolyn Darrel, like if they got together,
I would I'm speaking of like from the you know,
from like season two until like a few years ago.

(01:36:21):
My attitude was that, like they were always my favorite duo,
always regardless of whether or not I shipped them, And
I just wanted them on my screen together as much
as possible. But I my first choice actually was for
Daryl to be a sexual and that didn't happen. But

(01:36:42):
I always kind of low key shipped Carolyn Darrel in
the back of my mind, like if they got together,
you know, I'd be kind of cool. But I I
forgot where I was going with Oh my god, what
is wrong with me?

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
What? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Yeah, Okay, no, I know where I was going with this.
But I think that because it didn't necessarily like ship
them hardcore together, I wasn't. Uh, there was no part
of me that was trying to hang on to him
for Carol's sake. Yeah, and I spent most of the

(01:37:26):
series just wanting him to die. I hated Darryl, hated
him like least fair character. I loved him in season two.
Seasons one and two, I loved him. I thought he

(01:37:46):
was such a great character. Season three was kind of
like whatever. The season four, I just I completely start
hating him in season four and hated him all the
way through season eight and just wanted him to you know,
I was hoping he would be lucial victim honestly, But

(01:38:07):
but then when Angela hang took over. Yeah, she evolved
his character so much. And whatever good or bad you
have to say about Angela Hag, that is something like,
she made me like Daryl. Yeah, she made me love Darryl.

(01:38:29):
And I think that's when I kind of started hardcourshiping
Carol and Darryl because I suddenly liked Daryl. He was talking,
speaking in complete sentences. What's going on here? But yeah,
I don't. But I feel like all that has been
undone almost.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Yeah, and in a different way.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
It's not that he's gone back to the scotti of
grunting Darryl. He doesn't you do anything and just as
cool stunt.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
It's not that kind of regression.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
And the way I'm looking at because of this discord
between what David Zabel seems to think and what Norman thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
I was trying to think of an analogy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
Of how this season feels, and I was thinking, like,
you know, if you have a box of cereal and
you have just a bit less than it, and you
get a new box. It's not exactly the same, but
it's close enough, so you think, I just put them
both in the same bag, and so when you pour
it up, bore of cereal.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
You know, you get a few lucky charms, but then
you've got some corn flakes or whatever. And that's what
it feels like. It feels like there was a remnant
of something from season one and they've kept it there
and they've just mashed on this season two story and
you know, mixed the two together and thought, no, that'll work.

(01:39:47):
But it's it feels like Daryl.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Has two different stories going on and not in a
oh you know, a character can have two different stories
going on, but two opposing stories, and that makes it
a lot of lines that are said makes no sense
in relation to what we've seen, and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
It's a very odd experience.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
People who are not massively invested in Daryl, I think
we'll probably not notice this.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
They'll go, Hey, it's Darryl. He's being cool, he's being affectionate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
You know, he's got this new surrogate family and he's
fighting with the bad guys here and that will be
sufficient for them. And then Carol's there and she's having
her badass stuff, and I think that'll be sufficient for them.
But if you really love Daryl and love who he
has been built up to be and his most special attribute,

(01:40:45):
then I think you will be like us and be saying,
what is this all about?

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just it's very confusing. It doesn't
make sense. There was a very important scene with Lauren, Yes,
that was very meaningful for his character, for Lawren's character
that totally got ruined. It's just this whole season is

(01:41:15):
so frustrating and I just want to throw it in
the trash.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
But we'd.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Yes, because there is Yes, it's not you know, there
is awesome stuff from Carol, amazing stuff from.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Carol, and there are it's no spoiler to say Daryl
and Carol will reunite when this is not a spoiler.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Everybody knows that the trailer shows them together, and once
they have reunited, there are still massive issues.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
But there are great scenes as well.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
It's just that there is an overriding failure in one aspect.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
That's the way I would I would say it. But yeah,
you can't. Don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Don't think there's not to be anything to enjoy in
terms of Daryln Carroll interactions. There is a lot to
gain from it and there I think and I wrote
a preview of the season, and you know, there was
a lot of outlets wrote preis and a lot of
them who do not chip one way or the other,
saw something in this season.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
That we haven't seen before. I agree with that. I
think Kelly agrees with it as well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
There are moments of things that we that we will
talk about when we get to them that I think
are very very interesting and not something we have seen
shown in the main.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Yeah, that's vague enough.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Yeah, yeah, agreed. Yeah, and we're you know, we're here.
We could have said, you know, as threw it, like,
let's just not even do the show. Yeah, but John
and I are both kind of positive by nature, and
it's you know, we're we're a little apt in a
stick always, you know, even if it requires us to

(01:43:05):
to just be completely delusional, we.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Are not above dings in our hate.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Yes, yeah, exactly, but uh so, I mean that's basically
why we're here. And also, I think even if we
were like screw this, I don't want to I don't
want to recap it. I think we would probably still
be doing it for Carol.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Yes, yes, but you know, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
We want our goal is not to turn anybody off
of no, no, because we we kind of want you
to hang in there. Because we're hoping that Season three
is going to be so much better, and you know,

(01:43:54):
if it does, we want to we want to be
able to talk about that and celebrate it. And so
we're staying optimistic because I mean, it just doesn't really
if I just stopped paying attention to the show altogether,
it's not going to do anything positive for me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
No, exactly, I'm very much of this, you know. I
always believe if something isn't given you pleasure, walk away from.
Absolutely you should never feel you know, it's the same
with music or artists or whatever. You know, if you
if you're not happy, leave it, don't. You don't have
any obligation to anyone. But I do feel like I

(01:44:33):
am someone who, once I'm onto something, and you know
it's specifically as well as ship.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
I will not let that go until they have buried
that body. I will always believe.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
That they you know, even Moulder and Scully for instance,
you when they came back and I am like, they're
never going to come back in maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
And maybe they'll fix the things that they did wrong
in the last time. I'm always I'm always here for
that that there's always a chance, there's always a chance,
and i will.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Ring every bit of enjoyment out something I've put in
so many years for this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
I'm not walking away until I get what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
It's over, exactly, And and you know, like I said,
I mean, I'm just I'm not a romantic person by nature,
So it didn't really. I mean, it took a lot
for me to start shipping Carolyn Darrell. But regardless, they
have always, always, always, always been my favorite part of

(01:45:41):
The Walking Dead together. Yes, I mean, Carol's my favorite character.
But if you ask me my favorite thing about The
Walking Dead, it's Carol and Darrell. It's relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Yeah, and that's something else that all the reviews said
exactly the same thing, that whatever you feel about the
romantically or individually, when they are together on screen, it's
just magic. We have not something that we count to
our friend girls.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I mean we can't, like neither
one of us is ready to just throw in the
towel over a sucky season.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
I mean we're just would have done that before. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Oh yeah, six season seven, Yes, absolutely, three sucky seasons
in a rule.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
So I mean we're you know, we don't want you
to to. We don't want to encourage you to jump
on the delusional train with.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Us, but we want to.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Yeah, basically we want you. We want you to keep
your expectations low. Yes, but hang in there because I
just I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
I can't imagine that season three is gonna suck. No,
re rerely is bad this season.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
I feel like everybody may be more on the same page. Ye, yeah,
and Dland Carol in.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
Terms of their stories are going to be starting off
from a similar position.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
Yeah. Yeah. And you know, Melissa, Melissa and Norman will
have they have input into this season, but they'll have
more input together into season three. Yeah, and that that
gives me hope because nobody knows these characters better than
those two.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
So it's you know, it's this season basically just has
the feel of of someone giving us completely different versions
of these characters, well, mostly Caryl. I mean, Carol is
you know, Carol's still Carol. But I'm just I'm really
hoping that that changes for season three, and I really

(01:47:57):
think it will. I'm optimistic that it will. Yeah, but yeah,
I don die. Do you have anything else that you
wanted to add?

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
I'm all good. I will be writing a preview for
each episode.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
Which will be a spoiler free preview but just to
sort of give you an idea of what you're going
into that week. And I will also be writing a
review after each episode. I won't promise Monday because, as
I will remind everybody, yes, I have a chronic illness,
and so sometimes that doesn't work out. But you know,

(01:48:32):
in the week after the episode airs, where I will
go over in detail things that we may have touched
on here, but just go go into in greater detail,
and those will be on our Patreon.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Yes, so you can go to patreon dot com slash
cyber Queen Media if you want to join, and if
you want to read those. Don is an excellent writer
of sung her praises on here many times before. But
you know, that's that's how I first came to know
if Don was was through her great articles and I
always looked forward to them, and now I'm happy to

(01:49:07):
have her as my co host. I'm so glad you Yeah,
it's you know, it's it's funny story. It's I actually.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
I was floating in my pool a few weeks ago
and Pool Pool seasons over now, unfortunately, but I was
floating around in my pool a few weeks ago, and
I remembered that when I had talked to you on
Twitter about coming out of the show, I was also
floating in my pool at the time when I was

(01:49:39):
chatting with you, and I I put on like, I
put up, I didn't have a co host yet, and
I put up that, you know, I was just looking for,
like anyone who wanted to jump in on an episode
with me or whatever. And so Don responded and I
was like, Hey, you want to just be my co hosts.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
I forgot that. I said yeah to an episode and
name you were like, do you want to do the
whole thing?

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
That's kind of funny, but yeah, you know, that's kind
of how I work. I just throw shows at people.
I'm like, hey, you want a podcast? But yeah, So anyway,
we will see you guys next week, and we hope

(01:50:32):
you enjoyed the first episode. It's you know, it's very
enjoyable for the most part, you know, before the crap
start the ship. Yeah, but uh, we'll see you next
week and until then, take care of everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Bye bye.

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