The Ones Who Live Episode 1: Years

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Episode Transcript

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In another world built on a waragainst the Dead, Rick, Grimes and
Machone attempt to find each other andwho they were. Welcome to Cyborn Queen
Media's coverage of The Walking Dead TheOnes Who Lives. I'm Kelly, Hello,
I'm gone. So great to beback with you, guys. You

(00:24):
might have joined us for our GeraldDixon coverage, and uh, we had
a lot of fun covering that show, and we're really excited to cover the
Ones Who Live, super excited.I'm I'm not, I'm not. I
need to fix the background because ifyou're if you're watching this versus listening to

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this, our mahone's beautiful faces iskind of being covered up right now while
we're just kind of staring at Rick. So I need I need to fix
that. No plan were I know, no offense to Rick, but I'd
rather look at me shown. Okaynow events, But yeah, we're really

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excited about about this, uh aboutthis series. The directors for the pilot
their their director, sorry for thefor the pilot is Bertie Elwood. Are
you familiar with Bertie Elwoods? Youknow my name at all? I'm not
familiar either. Writers listed as ScottGimble and Nigeria she worked on. She

(01:33):
worked on pretty much the whole season, right, Yeah, I think she
from what I've seen of the interviews, she pretty much craft I imagine because
I don't know this obviously, butGimble sort of crafted the plot plot and
she crafted the Rick and Mashon plotfrom what from what I've seen, she
said, you know, she's theone that pushed for that focus. So
I'm assuming that's why she's her contributionfor each episode. Well, I mean,

(02:00):
we've seen four episodes, and Imean she's done a great job.
She really has. As I justsaid to Kelly before we started recording,
why couldn't she We've been writing forthe show for the past ten years.
Seriously, I know, I know, Yeah, I like, you know

(02:23):
I Before we kind of get intothe recap and everything that happened, let's
just talk about our thoughts a littlebit, Like I this was not my
favorite episode of the four that we'veseen so far. Yes, I completely
agree. Four. Yeah for me, it's like, yeah, I think

(02:45):
I probably would too. I'd say, like so far, i'd rank them
four to three one. Yes,I agree completely Yeah, Yeah, it's
but but that said, I thoughtthat Rick at the same time, I

(03:07):
thought that Rick was And I don'tknow if I don't know if I'm just
saying this because I just haven't youknow, it's been so long since we've
seen him, but Rick was moreinteresting to me than he had been in
years on the show. Yeah,I totally get that. Yeah, I
agree, I think because he wascompletely in a completely different context and he's

(03:30):
had a very different life. Itis a different Rick and that works because
you know, let's be honest,it did become a pretty and most people
say this, it became a sortof cyclical thing with Rick goes a bit
crazy Rick in terms of like Rickgoes killing mad. You know, he's

(03:51):
like, everybody must die, andthen no, everybody must live. No,
everybody must die, and it wassort of cyclical, and it just
became repetitive. So to have himhere, it's a completely different thought process
and struggle, mental struggle gives thema whole different world. Basically. Yeah,
you see him, you know,having a little more agency and control

(04:14):
than than he did when he wasyou know, under the thumb of Megan
for instance. Yea. Yeah,so he's kind of making some choices here,
and you know, you see himlike strategizing and and and planning and
everything, but he's still making somereally awful, like like really heartbreaking decisions
and you know that it's that he'sreally wrestling with and and so it's it's

(04:39):
just it's very interesting to see,like we haven't but no, I was
just gonna say, like we've seen. I always say that it's funny because
I always say that, like Carolis the female Rick, because those two
are always the ones that have likemade all of the controversial decisions and like
you know, done all the theheavy lifting. And it's it's funny because

(05:03):
he's just he's making much different decisionsright now that are a lot that are
a lot you know that he's wrestlingwith a lot more and he's sacrificing a
lot more. And so it's justit's it's interesting to say. Yeah,
I think what it is is isput him in a different place where from

(05:26):
the first season, Rick is allabout making decisions for everyone. You know,
he's the de facto leader whatever,and that's his entire mindset is about
what's what's for the greater good?What how can I save every one forever?
But in this situation, it's entirelyabout him, What does he want?
What's best for him? How canhe live? How can you know?

(05:49):
And then other characters bring in thatback, that question of greater good
again. So for the I thinkfor the first time, we're seeing Rick
who's motivated solely by his own thoughtsand desires and what he wants. And
then and immediately we join him.Obviously he's there for a long time,

(06:13):
but when we joined him, he'sstarting to go back into that greater good
question, which is always Rick's mentality. So it places him in a completely
different moral, situational quandary of whathe wants, and it's you know,
it makes for something very interesting,and I think that's probably going to be

(06:36):
you know, the theme of thewhole season is this idea of the greater
good or your own happiness? Yeah? Yeah, definitely. The timeline is
the timeline kind of had me alittle confused, let's just say sketchy.
Yeah, if we take into thetimeline of like Daryl Dixon and when we

(07:05):
saw that Laurent was born, andI'm pretty sure they said twelve years ago,
was it about that? Yeah?I think so. So at the
age of which you know, wouldmake Judith almost you know eleven maybe and
here we go back. Now westart, we were five years after Rick

(07:30):
was saved by the helicopter, andthen it just says, now, yeah,
yeah, yeah, like what's now, what's that exactly? Well,
yeah, let's let's jump in toit now we we we saw? Okay,
So full disclaimer, neither one ofus have watched well okay, you

(07:54):
haven't watched any of the World Beyondright, No, No, I really
was planning to, but I hadno internet for two for basically ten days,
so can Yeah. Yeah, Iwatched the first season and that's it.
I couldn't get into it. Ifanybody watching this feels like it's absolutely
a must that we need to watchthe whole series, let us know and

(08:20):
I'll give it another shot. Butlike, I don't know if I don't
know if any of these, ifthese characters like Major General Beale, I
don't know if he was in No, he was, he was, Okay,
so it's yeah, I think it'sonly the only reference I think obviously

(08:43):
is Jesus. We know Judias wasin it, and there's some references to
Omaha in this episode and that wassignificant in World Beyond. But yes,
as far as I know that's allthat really gotcha. Well, yeah,

(09:05):
we've got so we've got some uhsome new you know cast members for the
series. Uh. In this episodewe saw Terry O'Quinn playing Major General Beel
and uh we saw Leslie and Brandtplaying Thorn and Craig Tate playing Oka four.

(09:28):
He's cutie, he is, rightR I p yes, but so
the okay, I have a beefand and and my beef is with the
titles. I don't like the titleseither. To do this at some point

(09:48):
in the main in the main seriestwo where they like broke up titles like
in in Half, they broke upFreezing in half to make titles. Yeah,
yeah, I thought, I thought, so, I can't think of
an example off the top of myhead, but I thought, no,
yeah, I seem to remember themdoing that. But yeah, So the

(10:09):
pilot of The Walking Dead was calledDays go By and or Days gone By
sorry b y e. And sothe pilot of this show is called years,
with episode two being called gone By. Yeah, not crazy about it.

(10:31):
I like the reference to the youknow, I like the callback,
but just it's it's a little weird. Yeah, years gone by, as
the title would have been fine foryou know, first aloud and then something
else for the second but yeah,okay, yeah, But so we get
the cold open, and I meanpretty much the whole episode. Sorry,

(10:52):
I'm adjusting my Yellow Jackets jacket becauseit's falling on her. So I mean
pretty much the whole episode is kindof narrow by Rick. We've got this
voice over from Rick going throughout mostof the episode. And so the cold
open, he's standing in an apartmentlooking out, looking out of the window,

(11:16):
and he's you know, holding thephone in his hand with a picture
shown in Judith and we hear youknow, his his his voice over,
and basically the whole thing is himis him talking to Michone. Yeah,
and you know, explaining like howhe tried to get back to them and

(11:39):
everything. And he then cuts hisneck. It's really sad. He like
starts cutting into his neck with thepiece of glass and he's totally ready to
kill himself and and then he stopshimself. He can't go through with it,
which is which is interesting because it'skind of another callback to the pilot

(12:03):
where he almost killed himself, Like, yeah, that's true. I forgot
about that, you know, rightbefore he got in the tank. He
held he held the gun to hishead and he said, Lorie, Carl,
I'm sorry, and then he sawthe opening in the tank and he
got in and uh so, thenright after that scene, we got a

(12:24):
screen that says five years after thebridge, so the bridge being you know,
blowing up the bridge and where everybodyassumed he died. Yeah, which
you know, he should have died. But it's the Walking Dead, you
know, Yes, I mean theshow is called The Ones Who Live right,

(12:52):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Sowe see Rick as a consignee on
U on a particular mission. It'sa volunteer mission that he had signed up
for and it's it's supposed to helpspeed up their path to citizenship. He

(13:16):
is tethered by his wrist. Now, I thought that they were all tethered,
but apparently it was just him.Yeah I thought that as well.
But yeah, I saw the sameinterview where he said, you know,
because they didn't trust him because he'strying to run away, so he that's
why he's handcuffed. But yeah,I assume they all work. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, that's what Ithought too, because they didn't really focus

(13:37):
on that. They just focused onhim being tethered in the show, but
not anybody else, so but yeah, it was just him. They just
they just tethered him. And uhhe's so he's tethered by his wrist to
an accompanying soldier and the basically they'retaking out their taking out burning walkers,

(14:01):
so they don't I guess, sothey don't destroy the crops, yes,
and uh so you know, Rick, once he gets far away, kind
of ducks out of you and andyou know, yells out that he he
dropped his axe and then he cutsoff his goddamn hand. Did he learn

(14:26):
nothing from when with tyressee how Tyreedying? Come on, Rick, Well,
you know it was made me thinkof that, you know, when
when Tyree that episode, which forme is the saddest episode in the whole
thing. I can't, oh god, heartbreaking, it's just so sad.
And I mean they were like really, you know, there were several of

(14:46):
them, and they were helping himalong. Here he just cuts his handle
with no plan for then what todo other than running around with a gushing,
bloody stump, you know, like, well you think you can run
with that? Well, I thinkhe was, well, see that's the
thing, like you know, Ithought that he I thought that he got

(15:09):
the idea when he saw the burningwalkers. Yeah yeah, that's yeah.
But then he was like running.But when I watched it back, I
mean, he was like staggering aroundso much that I don't know if I
don't know if that actually wasn't hisidea isn't if that idea wasn't head right
away, I think he might,you know, the burning walker on the

(15:33):
ground and he looks at it.It was like an aha moment, you
know that he goes, oh,here's an idea. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah, So he was just gonnalike, yeah, he was just
gonna let himself bleed out, Iguess, you know. I mean he
did, like you know, hedid wrap his belt around the around his

(15:54):
arm first release. But but yeah, fortunately, you know, there were
some burning walker horses there, sohe just charuterized himself on that because you
know, that won't give it himan infection, a horrible infection or anything.
No, because it's it's it's inthe center of the walker's body.
It's like right to his guts,lovely there, hazardous, No, not

(16:18):
at all, not at all.So I mean, the poor guy,
I felt so bad for him becausehe's like he does all that, like
gets about three steps away before he'scaught. I guess the point of it
is to show that he is sodesperate he is doing you know, not

(16:42):
thinking it through put it that way. His desperation is such that he's just
going, you know what, let'stry this and see what happens. And
it and again it makes it seemlike, you know, this is a
very different Rick who's going to takereally ridiculous risks just because he wants to
go home so badly, so hedoesn't think through things, doesn't carefully plan.

(17:07):
But let's remember most of a lotof Rick's plans when Ara anyway,
and in the mean series, soyeah, yeah, yeah sure, and
you know this series does nothing toThis series is very good and upholding the
Rick grand death curse, you know, yes, like it's uh, you

(17:33):
know, it's like in the inthe main show, every time, you
know, we'd see these communities flourishingand doing fine and then Rick Grimes shows
up and take its later everyone stayedexactly this show does it does a good
job of upholding that. Yeah,very good job of the pilot. And
he passed on to Donald because Donaldshowed up at an abby and everyone was

(17:56):
dead within a day, so youknow, it's very pretty much. So
we we then see a quick,just a really super quick, like semi
flashback glimpse of the bridge blowing up, and then it goes into a dream

(18:18):
where Rick runs into Michone. Sohe's dreaming here and he runs into Micheone
and she's she's on a park bench, and it's kind of like, you
know, it's kind of like anormal, like civilized life setting. I
was thinking, it's like a fanfic, you know, it's like an
au fan fic. Is it totallyis? Imagine if Rick works in an

(18:41):
office in downtown Atlanta and Micheon workssome place you know what was she was?
She a lawyer of something, youknow, and she's sitting on a
park bench enjoying her lunch or herbreak because I can't remember the first one,
and the bump in to each otherand what would happen. So it

(19:02):
totally is fanfic territory. It is. It is, it's and it's actually
the dreams are actually really cute.They are, yeah, because you know,
they're just like meeting and flirting witheach other. And I love that
he asks if she's a cartographer.Yeah, but but yeah, no,

(19:26):
it's it's really I like that.I like the dialogue in the dreams because
it's not like it's it's not likegimble level, so it's a real weird,
but it's definitely like heavy handed andlike this is what like this is
Rick's dream, and like the stuffthat they're saying to each other in the
dream is like, you know,very much like yeah it's double hit.

(19:53):
Yeah, yeah, she's you know, she's saying things like she's saying things
like it's you know, are youwho you want to be? Yeah,
and things like you know and you'llget there, and I believe in you.
You know, it's all the stuff. I think. When that dream
first the dream sequence happened, Iwas like, oh, really good because

(20:15):
up until then with all the Rickvoiceover and it was so much expositions,
and you know, it starts thatearly telling us about the CRM, and
I was a bit because when whenit's CRM stuff, I'm just not that
interesting. But as soon as wesaw Rick and machaon on screen together,
I was like, oh, youwere going to yeah, okay, I've

(20:36):
got it. You know, youknow, it lifted as soon as they
were interacting. And I think theyknew that and that's why they put these
dream sequences in when they couldn't havethe real characters interacting at that point.
So it's smart. Yeah, itwas, it was and and yeah,
and you know, and like Isaid, if it was like you know,

(20:56):
if it was, the dialogue wasmuch better than it would have been
if it were in the main show. Yes, you know, in the
main show, it would it wouldbe like, okay, I'm getting you
know, I'm getting flashbacks of ofof Sasha Sasha's dialogue to Abraham and yes,

(21:17):
yeah, and I forgot the titleof that episode, but season six
I think it was season six.Yeah, yeah, yeah, when she
dies, when she had this weirdass monologue to Abraham that was just like
what what I don't understand? Okay, it would be much more obtuse and
much more like what are you talkingabout? You? It's quite clear and

(21:42):
it is well done. It isnot a conversation that two people would have,
you know, I need to gethere. I don't have to get
there? Can you show me?But it has this other label underneath it.
Yes, yeah, definitely, Andit was nice because you know it
was nice because, like Snigerrera getto like get to wear some nice clothes

(22:03):
on the show. I thought thattoo. She's like, oh this is
great. I actually get to dressnormal bright colors. Everything is like just
beige gray, you know, andin the Walking Day nobody wears bright colors.
It's all just sort of earth tones. And here she is. I

(22:26):
think the first one is it's purple. I think she's wearing she's wearing a
purple suit and she's eating a calletout of a pupper wear container. He's
just deny and her, you know, how she is off screen exactly.
So he wakes up and and youknow, the voice that we're still going

(22:51):
and he we then see him pullseveral cell phones out of cushion with uh
you know, with the with drawingson them of Mashowne and Judith. So
he's got several of them, Yeah, tiding away. I don't understand why

(23:12):
they're on cell phone. I don't, I don't. I guess it's just
something there was a lot of aroundthat they had no use for. But
like I'm pretty sure paper still exists. I don't understand why they don't.
Just but anyway, Okay, well, I mean we saw I think we

(23:33):
we I think we actually saw Aaronstill using a cell phone and that's right,
yeah, because he was seeing themain Yeah yeah, yeah, like
I mean as you know, asa camera because that part still worked.
So I don't know if maybe theywere doing that, Like I don't know,
I don't know. He doesn't needa bunch of cameras. Yeah,

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so yeah, I don't know,it is it is really interesting yea,
but so we uh he explains that, you know, he woke up in
a military hospital, and he's talkingabout how the Army's code is is security
and secrecy above out, above allelse, so that nobody can relieve and

(24:26):
the people that they rescue are putto work as consignees. And Rick,
you know, Rick never wanted tolike go full into the CRM. He
all he wanted was to get backto his family. And he's kind of
explaining this in the voiceover. Sohe's out working and and then we see

(24:48):
okafor approaching him, and he sayshe came down there after after speaking with
Major General Bale, and you know, he tells him, like, staying
out there as consigny isn't going togive you another chance to get away it'll
just get you killed. And Rickthat explains in the voice over that you

(25:14):
know, the army didn't know whatto do with him because basically there's like
there's a's and b's. Yeah,this is like everybody's been waiting for this.
I saw online people that were youknow, were asking questions of screeners
and reviewers and saying, you know, do we find out about a's and
b's, So everybody's been waiting.All right, what does this mean?

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So we finally get the explanation ofit. You can you can give the
explanation. Yeah, well it's Imean basically, so the a's are people
like Rick who and Massone who arethey're they're strong and their leaders and they're

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they're not you know, just lookingto blend in and just ignore ignore the
bad for the good. You know. There's like the b's are basically just
the average citizens who just want acalm life and are trying to blend in
and don't want to rock the boat, and they can become citizens. The

(26:22):
a's are all killed. Okay,I need somebody to explain this to me.
Didn't when micheone, I'm not surewhen Jadis rescued Rick from the bridge
right in the helicopter, and shesays he's an A and she's using Rick
as collateral so that she gets away, she gets rescued, she gets stayed

(26:44):
away. So that would make itseem like they want a's. Oh great,
you know you've got an A.Great, they'll give you a helicopter
or whatever. But no, theywant to kill a's because a's are a
threat to them, because they youknow, are leaders. People will follow
them. They won't to the line. So I don't understand how he could
have been collateral as an A ifthey were just gonna kill why did they

(27:07):
put him in a hospital if he'san A. I mean, I know
they explained, you know, openfor fights for him, and he he's
the one who stopped them killing Rick. But I don't understand the whole system.
Yeah, I know, it is. It is very strange, for
sure. Yeah, he basically,like you know, he explains that they

(27:30):
didn't know what to do with himbecause he kept trying to get away and
nobody ever wants to get away,and like your Rick keeps trying to leave.
But but yeah, but yeah,okafor protected him because he he saw
he saw something in him that thathe connected with and and you know,

(27:52):
thought, Okay, this is aguy that that can can help me like
change things from the inside. Andhe tells Rick that he left a uniform
in his apartment and it's time forhim to just accept things as they are,
and you know, there's there's justthere's no escape for the living.

(28:21):
There was a really nice bit inthat where we see Rick on the outskirts
of the of the city killing walkersand he's like killing walkers and it's you
know, sort of montage and I'mjust killing walkers. And I thought that
was really good because it was like, you know, that is your life
outside the walls is just killing walkers. That's all you You live to do
is to kill walkers and kill walkersand kill walkers, and and that is

(28:45):
that open for seeing to him.You know, that's that's your life.
You're just going to be doing that. So why don't you choose this life
inside the walls where you don't haveto do that all the time and you
can have a nice life, youknow. So I thought that was a
nice little bit. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then we see we

(29:06):
see Thorn for the first time andit's funny. It seems like there's some
some hostility there between between her andher and Rick because she's like she's drinking
whiskey and she's like, I Igot to be thanking you instead of throwing.
Instead of throwing, He's like,like, you showed me I can't

(29:30):
get away. So apparently she's beenthrowing bottles at Wrick. You know,
pintal The next part cracked me up. So we you know, we've got
Rick sitting on a bench and thisguy Asketeban uh played by Frankie keinonas I

(29:52):
hope I'm pronouncing that right. Astebanapproaches him and he's like asking about his
hand. He's like, can Itouch it? Fricks bab he recoiled.
It was It was pretty funny,but uh, you know a Steban tells

(30:18):
Rick, you know you didn't youdidn't talk to anybody for two years,
and we get we get uh.That comes up again in one of the
later episodes, so like Rick basicallywas. It sounds like Rick was practically
mute for like, you know,didn't talk to anybody like at all.

(30:40):
But he tells Rick it's his lastday as a consigne and he's about to
become he's about to become a citizeninside the walls, bitch, yes,
where they have air conditioning. Yes, he's pretty excited. No more swamp
ass for p Enrique and uh andRix like I should have gotten you a

(31:07):
gift in Esteban's like what are yougonna get me a scowl? Yeah,
I thought that was a great line. It was so nice to have a
bit of humor in a Rick scene. You know, Rick, there wasn't
so you know, in the mainshow there was humor quite often, you
know, with Eugene and Carolyn darlAnd, but I was like, Rick

(31:27):
never gets to have the you know, the funny bit. So I really
liked to he was the street manto Aesteban's joke, which was really nice.
Yeah, yeah, I liked thata lot. And uh so you
know, we we don't say Rickgetting fitted for a kind of badass looking

(31:49):
pross out a cand It made methink so much of Darth Vader in the
film where I wish I could rememberwhich Star Wars film is, but we're
he becomes Darth Reader because he hasall these horrific injuries and you see them
zo sliding on the gloves and stuff, and I was like, oh,
he's Drake's becoming Darth Vader, DarthCrimes, Darth Crimes. Here's your daddy.

(32:16):
Yes, we see him doing somemilitary training training montage. Yeah,
training montage and uh, sadly you'rethe best around is not playing over this,
which which would have been hilarious.But we see okafor you know,

(32:40):
telling him, hey, welcome tothe CRM. We he starts dreaming about
about micheone again, so we seeanother machone dream here, but that is
his dreams interrupted by a knock onthe door, which is you know,

(33:00):
either Oka for or Thorn likely becausethe next scene is them in a tunnel
and Oka four is based it.Oka four basically, they they they sit
down for a minute and Oka fourbasically explains to them, to them both

(33:20):
that he wants their help to changethem, to change the CRM from the
inside. And he's, uh,you know, he explains the whole as
and B's thing. But you know, Oka four saved Rick and Thorn because
the CRM needs strong leaders to changethe CRM And he's like, once you

(33:46):
guys get into the upper ranks,into the upper echelon, you'll know more
than ninety percent of everybody else andyou can start to make changes. And
now I like, I didn't wesee we see Rick and Thorn walking away

(34:09):
together, and I like, she'slike, you better stat with this wee
ship. And I wish they likehad explained what what the deal is,
like why she's kind of like shustletoward Brick, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, because it becauseI didn't totally understand that. But

(34:30):
we're looking at I think maybe theyreally wanted to make sure there was no
shipping of you know, no implicationat all that anybody could take that Rick
was attracted her or not even attractedto her, but you know, grew
close to somebody else in the timehe was away from a show. So
they had this Insteade. They hadthis you know, combative relationship. But

(34:57):
they do have great chemistry, notsexual chemistry, but just you know,
sparking off each other chemistry, andtheir scenes together are really good. I
love Leslie and brand I mean,she is amazing in Lucifer. If you
haven't watched Lucifer, I have not, Oh wow, oh you need to
watch Lucifer. She is maza Quine, a demon and her you know,

(35:19):
she starts she's totally bad ass killingmachine basically, but then you get to
know the inside and Leslie is justamazing as an actress in bringing that vulnerability.
So here, it's it's in away it's similar. You know,
Thorn is very closed off, veryangry, very you know, she says
she was in the navy, SouthAfrican Navy, and you know, she's

(35:44):
got that same military thought process.But I'm hoping we'll see a bit more
of her softening up in this,but I don't know, and I can't
say because that would be spilence.Yeah, she's interesting, yeah, but
but yeah, I like it.She's like, you know, she basically

(36:07):
she explains him. You know,she's resigned him. They're looking at things
different. She's resigned to the CRM. And she keeps telling him like,
you're you're gone. As far asyour loved ones are concerned, You're gone.
And and then she's like, let'sgo get a drink before we kill
each other. And uh so thisis very important and this is where I

(36:37):
feel like I need to watch theworld beyond. We get the voiceover from
Rick explaining that early on the armyfound Portland and Omaha, and then all
three cities became an alliance, sowhich you know, I which I'm assuming

(36:57):
is what the three circles to present. So right after he says this,
we see Beal approaching Rick and hejust you know, he immediately stands up
and salutes him. Rick does andBill is, uh, you know,
he's explaining the alliance, and heexplains that you know they're they're well hidden

(37:20):
without a lot of effort, likethey know where Portland and Omaha is obviously,
but Portland and Omaha I don't knowwhere they are. Yeah, And
Rick mentions, you know what hesaw the FEDS do to Atlanta and Bill
tells him that they stop because ofOkafor And he explains that Okavor was with

(37:47):
the Air Force and was supposed tobomb the city, but instead he bombed
four thousand Marines that were staging atLincoln Financial Field. So, you know,
Bill tells tells him that Rick andThorne would have never been let into
the CRM, but he made abut oak of Ford made a compelling argument

(38:08):
for them, and Bill asks him, He questions him, you know why
you're still here after you tried toescape four times? And you know,
he wants to know if he's justtrying to escape again, and then they
just he says, I'm just gonnasit down here and enjoy the view with
you, Rick, and then youcan you can take it the rest of

(38:34):
the way. But I really likethis actor a lot. Yeah, I
love him. Yeah, he's reallygood. I expected him to be in
this first episode a lot more thanhe is. But I thought this that
one scene was a good introduction tohim. You know that he's totally the
company man and the Saints, sohe he believes in the CRM totally and
whatever else they are doing. Whichthat is why I feel I should have

(38:59):
watched Work Beyond for is to understandwhat the CRM is all about, what
their intent is, and why thisyou know, Philly is a secret.
Why it has to be a secret. I don't quite. Yeah, I
know, because they's not like theydon't want anybody else coming, because they

(39:20):
go out and bring people in.So yeah, yeah, it's it's very
strange. And you know what's sofaint is it took me like when I
was watching the show, I'm like, where do I know this guy from?
Why do I know him? Andlike it took me the longest time
to realize that he was John Locke, Yes, unlocked, So he's used

(39:46):
to shows where nothing makes sense,just like you read the script. Yeah,
yeah, I think it very farand lost. I'll admit, but
I but I liked but I likedhim a lot. He was he was
really he was a really interesting characterand I like the actor a lot.
Yeah. But but yeah, sowhere we get another montage of of Rick.

(40:13):
Now he's a soldier. We seehim like playing poker with Thorn,
and you know, he's heasy,hanging out, but he's obviously still has
this intent that he's leaving. Sohe's We see him in the city,
visiting Esteban. He meets Esteban inthe park and Esteban is now in charge
of water or something. I can'tremember his exact title. He was very

(40:36):
precise about his title around Yeah,yes, sewer management or something, and
he Rick basically wants him to tellhim where this certain tunnel goes. Rick
presents some a blueprint of of ofsome eskimactics of of of this area,

(40:58):
and ess course like yeah, freakingout, you know you this is a
great life. What are you doing? But so he says, you know,
I wouldn't tell you that that tunnelheads easton. If you go this
farther's out the gate, and Iwouldn't tell you that the code for that
gate is four three nine nine,you know. So he gives Rick this
information and Rick is planning to escape. He you know, his intent,

(41:22):
even though he's taken on this therole in the TRM, it was always
with the intent that okay, gettingcloser to the higher levels meant he had
greater access to other things that couldhelp him escape. So they are going
out on a resource run to Ithink it's a research facility, and he's

(41:43):
going to fake his own death.He's going to find a walker, put
his clothes on it, put hisdog tags on it, burn it,
or you know, make it disfigureenough that they can't tell they'll sum it's
him. So he goes to setoff a bomb and he goes to go
into the hatch that leads to thissewer tunnel, and unfortunately, just he's
doing it, he's attacked by walkersand he's like, oh great, just

(42:08):
what I need. And he hearsa scream, a human scream, and
he's like, oh no, Andof course Rick has to help someone.
He can't not do it. Sohe gets out throws his hand Gonnade down
the tunnel, gets it and goesand there's a young girl and Thorne saves
Rick and saves the young girl,and she basically says to Rick, I

(42:31):
know what you were about to do. Don't do it. We'll go back.
And the little girl is like,you know, scared, and she's
saying to him, don't worry.He's a good man and we're going to
a good place you And basically she'sgoing to cover up for it because she'd
said to Rick, if you needhelp, ask and he says, look,

(42:52):
I'm asking, and she's like,well, look I'm covering for you.
But don't escape because you'll just die. You can't. You can't be
doing that. So they go backto back to the crem But the one
piece of information Thorn has said isthey know a lot more about you than
you think. They know where you'vecome from. There, you know,

(43:14):
they know everything about you. SoRick confronts Okaf and says, how much
you know about me? And theybasically say, you know, Mashon is
quite an unusual name, and westarted by looking where we found you,
and so they know everything. Andnot to give spoilers, but that is

(43:35):
hugely significant as the season goes on. That is a big thing that they
you know, they are the CRM, are all seeing and all knowing and
their reach. You know, weknew that because they'd been working with Janis
when she was Queen of the Trash. So it shows that they knew about

(43:57):
these communities. So they but theytouch them at that point, and we
don't know why. We don't know, as I say, I don't know
what their intent is. But theygather information clearly, and they've got all
this information on Rick. So Rickand Oka get into a fight about it.
AND's best Rick because got a twohands and b he has been training

(44:22):
for years, whereas Rick has beenpoor. Rick has been going no,
I don't want to be a soldier. Yes, and Oka basically tells him
the full story of how he didn'tbomb a city. He made a choice
because Rick, you know you've seenin the trailers that Rick says, my

(44:44):
wife is my choice, my daughteris my choice. You know that my
life is my choice, and sayingyeah, I made a choice to my
wife, and I made a choice, and they knew that they didn't want
to be him to bow any morecities and kill hundreds and hundreds of th
thousands of people. He wanted tojoin the CRM, but the only way
he could do it was to killall these soldiers and that included his wife.

(45:07):
So he killed his wife for thegreater good. And that's, as
we're saying at the start, that'sthe big thing through this whole show is
Rick wants to get back to hiswife, but is it at the cost
of what is what he could dofor the greater good? What he could

(45:28):
achieve with the CRM if he stickswith Okaforce plan and program and go up
and change the CRM from within,which is like, you know, it's
putting a lot on somebody to say, yeah, you can change the world,
by the way, but you haveto give up. You know,
you're the one thing you love,your family and okafor did it, so

(45:51):
he can't really say, you know, you're not asking somebody to do something
you haven't done. He's done it, He's totally lived it, and he's
presenting Rick with horrible choice, andnow he tries to get Okraford to kill
him. But so this again we'reseeing how much Rick, if he can't

(46:15):
escape, he just wants to die. He doesn't want to live. He
doesn't want to to have any ofthis responsibility on him. He's you know,
kill me or I go back toMichawe and my family. And I
will say this, I wish there'dbeen more talk of Judith. I was
like, you know, she onlycomes up really that one time, and

(46:37):
obviously we see her on the phone, but I wish there'd been more in
the you know, when he's doingthe voiceovers to Micheau, he'd been talking
about Judith and the world that hewanted her to have, and you know,
I just I just would have likedmore Judith basically, Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I don't know. That'sthe thing. You know, the

(46:58):
actors that play are j Judith,they'll have grown up a few years.
So I don't know. I don'tthink we can quite believe that Keiley is
still eleven. Yeah, I know. It's the timelines are the timelines are
so confusing, Yeah, because Imean, like remember that the main series

(47:21):
had a time jump at the endtoo, Yeah exactly. Yeah, So
so it's was a year, itwas a year trying to jump in the
last episode, I think was itwas that was two years, maybe it
was one years, or maybe itwas like but it was a year into
range, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, so Michaud has been gone

(47:45):
for let's just say two years,so that oh yeah, no, it's
too It's like trying to work outa time travel TV show. You know
it's time me why be confusing?So yeah we can. I don't think
too hard about how old Rgie isbecause if if you know, we know

(48:07):
for a fact Michaud was pregnant whenRick died. So is he like eight
though? Who knows? Like,Okay, as far as I can figure
out what we're seeing on the screen, now, we never saw this timeline

(48:28):
on the main show. No,we skipped right past it. Yes,
so this is all like, yeah, because there was a major time jump
in between the bridge and and come, is that what's called or what we

(48:49):
Yeah? I think we are andyeah, yeah, what we've become?
And there uh there was a majortime jump at that time jump? Was
it was it eight years? Yousee? This is the confusing part.
I can ever remember whether it's sixor eight. I know I need to

(49:10):
go back and watch now. Yeah, but yeah, so we skipped we
missed all of this, yes,which means that m I'm sensing a continuity
error here. Wait no, maybenot no, never mind, it's just

(49:32):
confusing. It's just really the timelineis really confusing, guys. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I'll talk about it.We just forget we got figure.
We'll just just except that it's itis what it is. And at this
point, this is where the keywell with the I'm assuming happened in the

(49:53):
World Beyond where Obaha falls. Thorncomes to Rick's rub and says, the
TV because they have TV and they'rereporting about the fact that a huge section
of Omaha's exterior had fallen and lotsof walkers got in and ninety thousand people
are dead. But if we hadwatched the World Beyond, I'm assuming we

(50:17):
know that that was actually the CRMdid it? YEA bombed it? I
think, yeah, that much.That's what we do now. Yeah,
So, and Thorn talks to Reckabout, you know, we need to
do this. She talks about thelittle girl that they saved and how she'd
lost her whole family and her wholegroup had died because of walkers, and

(50:40):
you know, like that the wallhad fallen, the breached to whatever it
was they were in, like amuseum, and they'd breached and her parents
should to watch her parents die,and you know, making the same point
that the oapen form made. Earlearned that if you go out there,
it's just walker, it's water WallWalker. She doesn't call them workers, Does
she call them daults or something?That's don't catch with her accent? What

(51:05):
the word is she used? Oh, you know, I'm not sure that
that. Can I just say againsomething that I think I probably said when
we were watching DARYLD Dixon. Screenersdon't have subtitles close captions? Yeah,
And it is so frustrating. Itis so difficult because I mean, I

(51:27):
don't have hearing problems myself, butI'm very used to watch because my husband
does. I'm used to watching withsubtitles and it really helps understand what they're
saying, you know, with lotsof different accents and things. So can
I just say, please please includeclose captions on your screeners. Anyways,

(51:47):
back to the plot. This iswhere we get back to the scene the
called opening seeing and we see Rickattempt to cut his throat and then change
his mind. He's lost all hope. But in the voiceover, he says
to Michau and he's made a decision. He thought that he had to die,
but he realizes he can live andstill die. He's just basically going

(52:12):
to go back to how he wasand shut off everything. He's going to
stop caring. Whether he's just goingto be a machine to get to the
higher you know, echelons of theCRM and do good. That's all he
can do. He can't get backto Micheon. He can't, you know,
he doesn't want to die. Hecan do good, and maybe this

(52:35):
is what it takes, is tojust kill himself inside. And so he
destroys all his his He says,you know, this is the last time
I'm going to write to you.I was. I was writing to you
because it sort of made me feelconnected to you, like you were reading
it, even though I knew youweren't. And he destroys the phones with
the drawings on it. Didn't weever understand how his books and his phone

(53:00):
got onto that boat. I'm guessingit was one of his attempts to leave.
Maybe probably that's yeah, that's whatI'm assuming. Yeah, but yeah,
that was so sad, like Ican't. Yeah, I got I
got emotional, like I get emotionalduring the scene. This, this whole

(53:20):
episode is really grim. That wasthe word that I was thinking, because
it feels so hopeless. Not youknow, you're not pathetic, but like
completely Rick has lost all hope andhe's in this oppressive place and there's there's
these we keep seeing these shots ofhim looking at the three wind turbines,

(53:43):
and I'm not sure if there's ifthat's going to be significant or not,
but it's it's like, you know, it feels that it fuels that hopelessness,
that it's just churning and churning,you know, life going round and
round, and and he has noway of escaping from it. He tells

(54:05):
you know, Rash that he lovesher, and he says, I don't
see the dead anymore. He's justgiven up. I tried by failed.
And then we see another dream sequence, and in this one he is in
which I have got my title frombut I can see I've done a typo.
You should say, what if Icame with five pizzas? And away?

(54:29):
He proposes in his dream and theykiss, but his dream then turns
into something else, and there's fireand there's flashes. Now I watched this
pause on pause and pause to tryand see what all the flashes are that
a lot of them is walkers.I think there's a shot of their Alexandria

(54:51):
house. There's a house anyway.I'm not sure if it's the Alexandria house
or maybe it's Rick's house from Atlanta. I can't remember, you know.
And it's obviously like everything is comingtogether in this dream, like all the
things he's heard and and and he'sbeen told, destroying setting fire to this

(55:14):
happy imagined place he has with shownwhere he's married and Michone and they're happy,
and we we go forward. Ithink they say a year that at
that point. I'm not sure becausebecause because they're in a here and Oka

(55:37):
for are in a helicopter and hesays, OK, says something to him
like, now you've been doing thisfor a long time. I can't remember,
you know. How are you feeling? And he says you never talk
anymore? And Eric says, well, I'm thinking about my father, and
he tells the story. And Iloved Andrew Lincoln in this this scene as

(55:58):
well. He tells story about hiswhen he was seven, he got up
during the night and he was inthe kitchen to get a glass of water,
and he could see that the cropswere on fire, and his father
came in and he said he lookedlike a monster. He was half burning.
But he picked up Rick and hesaid it's going to be okay,
and he took him outside. Andhe later found out years later, he

(56:23):
found out that his father had setfire to the farm in order to destroy
it to get insurance money and alsoto completely clear the fields and so that
the earth would be fertilized and growbetter. And it did. It saved
their farm. But Rick was horrifiedbecause he thought his dad was the most

(56:45):
honest man, but he'd done thisfor the greater good. And you know,
when that scene happened, it madeyou realize how all these scenes of
the walkers on fire near the cropsand he was having to save the crops
at the start, you know,it all links together, and that is

(57:07):
I thought, that's a brook pieceof writing that they he's trying to stop
the walkers burning the crops. Butmaybe the Walkers need to burn the crops
to burn it down and start somethingnew. And that's what Okaforn's wanted,
you know, he wants to burnthe crm from the inside to make it
into something else. So Rick's totallyin and just at that moment, the

(57:31):
Rick curse hits and something hits thehelicopter there in and it goes on fire
and poor poor is hit and thehelicopter crashes. Rick and the other soldiers

(57:51):
that Rid gets blown off and thenmiraculously reattaches in one piece. Yes,
that's what I mean. That's onlywhat it looked like. I mean,
it looks like there was an explosion, Like it looked like his head was
in the middle of an explosion.Yeah, it's like, yes, it's
there. Yeah, but no,it's fine. He's got his helmet,
it's yeah. I was so sadthat he died. It was like every

(58:16):
every handsome guy they have to killhim. I know. It was such
an interesting character man, Like,yeah, we'll call that the Sik curse.
Every young fu gets killed off andthey so they crash, but the

(58:39):
rest of them escape before his dead. But the rest of the escaping and
they've got their guns and they're beingfired at, and we see Rick,
you know, he's on the groundand he's crawling and there's somebody in the
background killing the rest of the soldierswith a big sharp thing. Is it

(59:02):
is? And that that is themoment of the everybody who's has watched the
shoel far is the Rick and reunion, And of course they give us the
tiniest taste of it and then nope, that's an end of view it.
Yeah, so yeah, can Iget to tell you I think that their

(59:24):
facial expressions were perfect. I thinkthat their reactions were perfect. Yes,
because here's like, yeah, theseare two people. I mean, they're
married, they're deeply in love,they haven't seen each other in years,
they were taken from each other.But it's a really weird situation. And

(59:47):
Rick is just on the ground andhe's like he's seeing, you know,
the love of his life who hehasn't seen in years, and he's like
he's just he's not Ricks anymore.Yeah, he's not the same Rick grinds
anymore. And he's just like lookingat this woman that he loves and he's
like, you can almost see thisthis feeling of like I don't want to

(01:00:13):
say, like it's almost like shame, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah yeah yeah. And he's
like he you know, immediately wantsto see this. This is me.
It's okay, Yeah, it's stillbe you know, Yeah, and just
like disbelief is just trying, liketrying to process a million different things in

(01:00:37):
her head. Yes, and she'sseeing him, and it's just I really
like both of the reactions. It'sit's come at that point where it's just
like life, when you stop lookingfor something, you find it. You
know, Rick has completely given upany who of ever escaping, of ever
getting whole, you know, evenjust that first state of escaping. They

(01:01:00):
to manage to get home. Idon't know how many miles is from Philly
to Virginia, but you know,he hadn't even thought that he could get
to this point. And he's thisclose to her, so he's not had
any preparation to think, Okay,I'm getting there, I'm going to get
there. It's just like what shejust there? How, you know?

(01:01:22):
And as you say that, thefact that he's part of the CRM and
he Rick, even though he's completelydiscombobulated and no idea what's going on,
in that sense, he is awareenough to know that Micheone will know,
you know, if she's there killingsoldier, she knows the CRM is bad

(01:01:42):
news. Because he knows Micheone isgoing to she's going to know her stuff.
She knows a good guy from abad guy, so she knows that
the CRM is not a good thingto be part of. And there's Rick,
yes, seemingly part of it.Yeah. Yeah, definitely kind of

(01:02:07):
a you know, kind of agut punch of a place to leave off.
Yeah. Now, now, aswe you know, as we explained,
this was kind of like, inour opinion, one of the weaker
episodes. But episode two is Mashon'sepisode, which is great. Yes,

(01:02:30):
yeah, if it was up tome, I would have I would have
put episode two first, and Iwould have there are reasons that when when
you see it, they can't,but I would have started off with mi
shone where we left off with Michon, rather than where you know, filling
in Rick's timeline. I feel likewe could have done the further down the

(01:02:53):
road. Once we know they're together, you know, once we know they've
reconnected in that moment at the firstfirst episode, then you you can relax
a bit because you go, well, okay, they're together. Now,
I'm ready to sit back and hearabout Rick's story. Creatas if you're sitting
through that first episode, you're justgoing fa to the Good Unite, Gretter,

(01:03:15):
the Good Unite, and it distractsyou from the yeah, you know,
enjoying the plot for what it is. It's kind of like, you
know, it's I had the samefeeling watching this episode as I had for
those of you who watch Yellow Jackets. I had the same feeling watching this
episode as I had watching season twoof Yellow Jackets and the adult timeline,

(01:03:38):
Like, because in Yellowjackets season two, the adult timeline was completely taken over
by this ridiculous investigation that nobody caredabout, and it just ruined that whole
timeline and it was so uninteresting.And it's like, not that the CRM

(01:03:58):
is uninteresting, no, but Idon't think it's It's not why people are
watching, you know what I mean, No, very few people are watching
it for the Yeah, and Iknow it's like Rick's story with the CRM.
But it was necessary. It wasdefinitely necessary, I think. But
at the same time, it's like, Okay, yeah, let's hurry up

(01:04:21):
and get to it the good stuff. Yeah, you know, yes,
exactly, And it's it's so muchof it is info dump is exposition,
is Rick explaining what the CRM is, why he's there, why you know
what he's and I think it's alot to take in. You know,

(01:04:44):
when I watched it the second time, I felt a better grasp of it.
The first time I watched it,I thought, I don't think I
understood half of the CRM aspect ofit. You know what Rick's journey was
through the CRM. I understood allthe Rick and the shore O stuff,
and it is the emotional beat.But I was like, oh, I
don't understand what what's meant to behappening here with the TRM. But I

(01:05:06):
did the second time. And doblame that partly on that. You're thinking,
you know, is our reckon Mahongoing to reunite in this first episode?
Is he going to find ma shown, is he going to escape?
But also just because the CRM,by its nature is murky and we were
not meant to know a lot aboutit, so you're only getting a little

(01:05:29):
teaser of what's going on. Butyou know, so it's a lot of
info, but at the same time, nothing is fully explained. As I
say, you know, we don'tknow why the city has to be a
secret. We don't know what okaforceplan is exactly, other than to change
and there was he mentioned that therewas something happening in a year with it

(01:05:55):
was like that all the highest officersof the CRM are having some kind of
conf friends, and I thought,oh, that's let's stick around flag in
that they're all going to be togetherand you know, is that what Reckon
is going to do? And thenand blow them all up at once or
something? You know. So therewas something like that that I thought,

(01:06:16):
okay, that that got me alittle more interested into the CRM aspect of
it. There must be fans ofWorld Beyond and who really liked that aspect
who are watching it for this,but I think ninety percent in the audience
don't care. Yeah, yeah,yeah, I just I couldn't get into

(01:06:40):
it. I just I just couldn'tget into it. And I yeah,
I let us know in the commentsif you did watch World Beyond and what
you think of it, if youthink it's a if you think it's I
must watch, if it would reallyhelp us understand things better. I just

(01:07:00):
didn't find it all that compelling.But I mean, originally that was supposed
to lead into the Rick movies,and then you know that fell apart because
of the pandemic and there was thisbig long break. So it's like,
I don't know, maybe if thepandemic never happened and this all this storyline

(01:07:21):
happened sooner, maybe I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying to
say. I don't know what I'mtrying to say, but I think I
think I saw an interview with Ican't remember if it was Scott Gimble or
Andrew Lincoln who said that, youknow, the two of them were working
on the film ideas and it wasoddly after the sort of film fail through

(01:07:45):
because of the pandemic wherever, thatthey got Denial on board. So you
know, it was originally going tobe three Rick movies, so I'm assuming
it would have been like the firstmovie would have just been Rick and the
CRM. And I'm like, oh, that that didn't happen. That I'm

(01:08:05):
not I'm not here for that kindof plot. That's not why I watched
The Walking Dead. I'm here forthe people and the relationships. And when
we saw Rick with people, withThorn, whose relationship with Thorn, with
estherband, with four and obviously withMischaun, then it became much more interesting

(01:08:25):
to me. Do you think thatBeale is going to be without spoiling obviously
because we've seen four episodes. Doyou think that Beale is going to be
a big bad or do you thinkhe's going to be just a guy who's
just doing his thing, you know? Yeah, Yeah, I I I

(01:08:58):
think I don't. You know,I don't see him as ultimately being being
the big bad No. No,just because of how just because of like
you know, how how close hewas with Okafour and and how he was

(01:09:23):
like taking time to get to knowRick, because of Oka four, Like,
I just yeah, I don't Idon't see you know, I kind
of see him like being maybe aalmost kind of like a Commander Lawrence from
The Handmaid's Tale kind of character.Yeah, but like leading, you know,

(01:09:45):
like you you don't really know wherewhere, like what he's doing as
strategy to like, yeah, youknow, turn things inside out from the
inside. Like one minute you're thinking, Okay, he's this is he's he's
working on a way to like toflip the script, and then the next

(01:10:08):
minute you're like, Okay, whyis this dude acting like an asshole again?
So I can't even being like,you know, being a similar kind
of character. Yeah, I think, Yeah, I think, like you'll
be the CRM kind of you know, he believes in the cr accompany man.
He believes in the cr and whohe believes in what they're trying to

(01:10:30):
do. But he's not he's notlike a preacher from this preacher from from
the the Reapers and the main show. Yeah, yeah, you know,
he's not that guy was completely MagleMediac whoever, He's not that kind of
a character. He seems to justbe an army guy. I guess you
would, you would you would callhim like that, you know, yeah,

(01:10:53):
yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm you know, it's
one I will. One thing Ihave to say is they really did a
great job I think so far withthe spinoffs, with the casting. Yes,
all around, with the spinoffs,I like I I you know,

(01:11:15):
I liked the casting and Dead Cityloved it for Darald Dixon, absolutely love
the Darald Dixon cast, and andso far I'm really liking this cast a
lot too. Yes, but uh, you know, Brick Grime, Steth
Curst so By By, ok,and who knows who else is? Yes,

(01:11:35):
exactly, I have many more byby the end of success. Yeah,
so guys, we're gonna be goingLive. Well, don won't be
unless unless you're having troubles sleeping onenight and feel like joining us Down's in

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a m my time, you know, so, yeah, it's well.
I definitely will be there for thefor the premiere because I have just moved
house and this is where I havesuch a strangely beer background because the rest

(01:12:18):
of the house and boxes. SoI won't be able to be there on
Monday, but I will try tobe there another week and I will definitely
definitely be there for the finale.I was there for the finale for Donald
Dickson and I will definitely be therefor this finale too. We'll make it
another pajama party. Yes, yeah, we will be. So I will

(01:12:42):
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show and come join us on Sundaynight. It is super laid back,
it's super chill. We'll be hereevery Sunday. I'm you know, I'm
taking such a whatever approach to this. I'm taking such a laid back approach

(01:13:05):
to this. If you want tojoin me as as if you want to
join me in Trisia as a guestco host. Let me know, you
know, it's just it's gonna bea fun gab session right after the episode.
You can call in, you canuse the live chat. It's it's
all good. But Don and Iwill be doing recaps every week, and

(01:13:27):
I will be getting them out everyMonday. So you've got our after show
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(01:13:49):
and then we will go right intothe episode and then you can look forward
to mine and Done's recaps every Monday. I I'm I'm very excited to see
what uh what people think of theshow's episode because I really loved it.

(01:14:12):
Yeah, I'm excited to see thereviews for it. In comparison with with
the pilot, no offense to therhymes, it's just too much CRM.
Yes, yeah, exactly, Iknow it's necessary, but still it's like,
yeah, it's it's a combination ofCRM and hopelessness and exposition and you

(01:14:35):
know, no, we just wantstory and that's what you get. In
Micheon's episode. So who would yousay as who would you pick as the
h I didn't plan this in advance, but who would you pick as the
MVP for this episode? To know? It's odd to say by I think,

(01:14:58):
ok for probably because he's the guywho saved Rick from you know,
not being killed for being an aand gave him hope. And also he
saw something in Rick that the Rickof old, you know, the Rick
that is a leader who thinks ofother people and even though you know they

(01:15:18):
fight, and he's basically putting somethingpretty pretty heavy on Rick's shoulders and telling
him, don't try and go backto your wife. He I think he
wanted the best for it. Hesaw that Rick could do amazing things,
which we know is you know fromwatching the main show, that Rick can
be a leader and get his peopleto do great things. And I think

(01:15:42):
he I like that he saw thatin Rick and that he wanted what he
thought was the best for Rick.Whether it was or not he thought it
was. I think I would haveto agree with you. What about the
what about the elder? He oh, oh that's hard, that's hard in

(01:16:05):
this episode, Yeah, because there'snot many Yeah, I guess I guess
Bill for that, just because he'she's not transparent. We don't know what
his motivations are. We don't know, you know, would he have just

(01:16:25):
killed Rick as an a he wouldhave just said, you know, off
what they said or whatever they doto them. I don't know. So
I think he's he's too he's tooopaque and too we don't know anything that's
going on with him, because everybodyasked. You know, Thorne is a
good person. She desperately, youknow, she even though she has has

(01:16:46):
this facade of not wanting to care, she obviously cares about Rick. And
I think, you know, she'sgot good stuff going on. And of
course Esteban, well maybe he wasthe MVB Esteban who gives him the code
and it's just a good guy andand stuck with Rick, gave him,

(01:17:08):
you know, gave him the space. He did not talked to him for
two weeks and two week years,I should say, and was like,
I just kept talking to you.Yeah that's not sweet, that's kind of
sweet. Talk back, but hejust kept talking out. That's kind of
sweet. You know. I'm givingthe LVP did little girl? Yeah,

(01:17:32):
she everything. Yes, I'm spurry. I know she's piled, but it's
not her fault that she gave myLVP for the week very limited choice.

(01:17:54):
But yes, we're gonna get sayingthat that that the house on the show
hate children. But what are youlooking for? Okay, just you know
you haven't let's just say we haven'tseen spoiler, we haven't screeners at all.

(01:18:16):
Yeah, what are you hoping for? Slash looking forward to the most?
What to see Rick and ma Shonneworking as a team again, because
that in the main show. Iyeah, I shipped Rashwan before they got
together, and you know, Iwas very happy they got together, but

(01:18:36):
I felt they were let down inhow much we didn't see enough of them
together after they got together. Whendo you think, you know, season
six they got together and Rick wasstill there till season nine, and that
there was three seasons. I justdon't think we saw enough of them as
a couple and talking through things.And so that's that's what I want to

(01:19:00):
see, is them being a couple, acting like a couple and doing things
together as as a cohesive team.I know all the pre you know,
pre promo that we saw a lotof it was about who are they now
are they enemies? Are they lovers? You know, I don't think anybody
wants to see Rick and Mashaw andhis enemies. Why would we? Nobody

(01:19:26):
wants, Like that's not a wayto sell the show people. But I
would like to see them talk througheverything. I don't think they have a
huge amount to talk through through,not as much as other characters. I
won't, but get started there.Yeah, but I think, you know,
that's what for me as a viewer, I really like to see the

(01:19:49):
meat of relationships is them doing stufftogether and working towards goal and copper by
and coming together to you know,back and forth, push and pool you
know you you're you're more right?Will you're more right? We'll just And
I think that Rick and was showncould be that good a team. We

(01:20:13):
know they can when they were evenbefore they were together, you know,
like in Clear that was like whenthe shipping of them started because they worked
so well together and clear, andI feel like we didn't get a clear
type episode after they were together,even though we've got c Yes, which
was Slits and the CGI. Dear, we will say that the CGI is

(01:20:34):
better this show than it was inthe main show. Oh my God,
that dear man. That deer.Oh god, Oh they will never live
down that deer ever ever. Thatthat deer upstage the episode. It is

(01:20:56):
infamous, infamous deer. It washalf the size of the It was like
half the size of the of theferris wheel. Yeah, and it was
like it sort of seemed to floatslightly and didn't doesn't seem to connect to
the ground. Oh it was terrible. Oh god. It wasn't even that

(01:21:16):
the CGI itself was bad. Itwas like the proportions were so often like,
oh my god in their perspective,and oh, oh yeah, I
did I did expect. I haveto say I did expect the CGI to
be a little better in this andthe ones who live it is good.

(01:21:40):
But I think they spent all theirbudget on helicopters, because the helicopters clearly
real, or at least parts werereal. But when we see Philly,
I was like, oh, that'snot brilliant Philly from Ah you know that
wasn't brilliant c G. I,But yeah, it's not. But yeah,
what you see record, we're showedworking together, get back to your

(01:22:01):
quation. That's that's what I wantto see. And I knows more of
these. Like I said, Iwant to see more about Thorn, about
her you know, her her softeningor whatever, and hopefully what builds deal
is whether he's fully into the crmEthoughts or whether he can be swede by

(01:22:26):
Rick and maure. Yeah. Youknow I felt when when Rick was talking
to ok wor about his uh youknow, telling us the story about his
dad and everything. It it actuallyit reminded me a lot of It reminded
me a lot of of Darryl talkingabout you know, about his about the

(01:22:49):
whole thing with his grandfather and thewar and everything. Yeah, yeah,
that's true. I didn't think ofthat. Yeah, yeah, And it's
so it's it's it's interesting. It'swhich kind of which I thought, which
part of me thought was cool,and the other part of me thought was
like, okay, that's a littletoo similar guys kind of but but I

(01:23:17):
mean I liked it. It wasit was cool, But yeah, it
was just interesting that I you know, like, I just thought that was
really similar. So it's like thesetwo guys that are you know, in
fights that they're in somebody else's fights. Yeah, yes, that's that's a

(01:23:39):
really good point. Yeah, theyare both in the same situation, and
in a way, I'm nagan Isas well. Obviously there's a lot more
about you know, Reagan is Meaganis a wanted man. But he initially
gets involved because it's it's it's Maggiewants him to help her find her son.

(01:23:59):
But yeah, with Rick and Daryl, it's a very big thing that
they're both fighting somebody else's battle andthey're both stuck in the same situation of
do I do what I think needsto be done for the greater good?
You know, Daryl, you know, looking after Lauren and staying in France,
but he wants to go home,And that's exactly what's happening with Rick

(01:24:23):
that Rick wants to go home,but he feels this responsibility that he can
change things in the CRM and dogood and help a lot more people.
So on Daryl, it's a muchsmaller world he can help, you know,
it's Lauren and whoever he comes across. With Rick, it's like I
think they say, they starts hundredsof thousands of people in this city,

(01:24:45):
and you know, I don't knowwhat we're meant to be saving them from.
I don't know what. You know. Obviously, the CRM destroyed o
Maha. But I don't know whythey destroyed Omaha, and I don't know
what would make Philly be danger beingdestroyed. So yeah, I think I'm
gonna have to maybe watch some ofthe World World Beyond. Yeah, I
think I might do that this weekendactually, But yeah, I just really

(01:25:11):
want, you know, I wantRick to to learn about his son.
Yeah, and I you know,I mean that would be really cool.
I mean I do want to seeit. I do want to see him
see his kids again, or seeyou again and c r J for the
first time. Yes, you know, I want to see like people,

(01:25:36):
I just I want to see reunions. I want to see them get back
home. Yeah, I mean that'sthat's what I want. I think that's
what most people want, you know, most fears said, you know,
they want to see Rick with hiskids or Rick and Daddle. A lot
of people are desperate for that realYeah, yeah for sure, Yeah,

(01:25:58):
I I I yeah, I wouldlove to know. Like it'll be curious
to see how this all ends,if it's gonna go into like a big
into like Walking Dead season twelve whatever, which I think is like Scott Gimble's
dream. Unfortunately, yes, there'sa lot of reasons. I don't like

(01:26:24):
that. I would love to seeeverybody back together, but I just yeah,
I think it needs to die.Yeah, yes, it needs to
have things. Things need to havean ending, because if you keep them
on a you know, keep themon a simmer constantly because you want maybe
something could come back in a fewyears, maybe in a few years,

(01:26:45):
But then the characters never get thatresolution, they never get their happy ending
if there's always the chance that somethingelse can go on. And we want
happy ending for all of them,you know, even Megan, not that
know, not necessarily he deserves it, but a character should have resolved.

(01:27:06):
H So yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, some kind of resolution,
whatever it is, you know,even if it's even if it's not an
ideal one, like you know,I don't know, do you watch Dexter,
No, but I know how thatended, Okay, fantastic resolution.

(01:27:30):
It's it's like it ended the waythat the series should have ended, you
know, not not not not exactlya happy ending, no, no,
but it it ended the way itneeded to end, in the way that
it that the series should have ended. Yeah, And so it's it's it's

(01:27:50):
like on the main ceries. Youknow that Christian Sarahos, I don't know
when I started starting Who Please Rosita? She requested that Rosita die because she
wanted an absolute ending for Resita.And I totally get that. You know
that she wanted, you know,to see a complete story for Rosita starting

(01:28:14):
her end. So I totally getthat why she would want that. And
you know that's even if it isa death, at least then you have
seen the characters entire arc, unlessit's some other shows where they come back
as a ghost. But in theWalking Dead world, we will have seen
their their entire arc. And Iwould like there to be resolutions for all

(01:28:40):
the characters, but this is theworld of story, so we shall see
what I will say. Rick hasa great line coming up in one of
the in one of the upcoming episodesthat I think people are gonna love that
he says to Jadis, yeah,yeah, yeah, it was very funny.

(01:29:03):
It was it was it was hewas saying it for the he was
saying it for the viewers. Yes, I have to say, and again
I think this is Deny's input thatthis is very much a series for the
viewers. It is for the fans, it's one hundred percent for the Rick

(01:29:25):
and Machone chippers and the Showers andRick fans and Shone fans. I think
this first episode, obviously we're notseeing Rick at his best, but as
it goes on, we will.But we you know, we see Shone
being the awesome person she is.And I think that this whole series is
done like as a as a thankyou. You know, yes, you

(01:29:48):
deserve to see these characters being theirmost awesome self and giving fans what they
want. And there comes a pointin a show. Yes, you have
to have your creative visional park,but I do think fonds deserve to get
the things they want generally speaking,and this this show gives it in bucket

(01:30:09):
loots. Yeah yeah, yeah,absolutely, yeah. I'm excited. I'm
excited to be covering it for thenext six weeks. If you are also
following our antler Queens prewatch that isbeing moved to Tuesdays until the Ones Who

(01:30:30):
Live are is over, then we'llmove it back to Sundays really quick.
One thing I wanted to bring up, so for those who don't know the
Ones who Live that phrase obviously that'slike what Rick and Machaone said to each
other in the show at the time, we're the ones live. Yeah,
so that's that's it. Like that'sa spin on we don't Die, which

(01:30:57):
is what Rick and Andrea always saidto each other in comics because Rick and
Andrea were a couple. But thereason I think they changed that for the
show is that they had Morgans sayI don't die a few too many times
yeah, you know yeah, andlike it probably seemed a little too repetitive,

(01:31:18):
and that's what so I think ifthat's my theory on why they changed
it from yeah, we don't dieto you know everything else. And also
character Bob says the we are thewalking day you know, which which yeah,
say is at one point you know, no, we are the ones
to live. So yeah, yeah, yeah definitely. But uh also just

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I'm not I'm not quite sure.I haven't sided yet. But be careful
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we've screeners have only gone out forthe first four episodes, and there are
people leaking stuff from episodes five intes. So I've already been spoiled, which
I'm really kind of bummed about.But of course, of course, you

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know, as soon as I foundout it was there, I'm like,
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it puts a lot of it hurtsa lot of people's work. And just

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