08/28/2025 The Dave Allen Show on 580 Live - Tom Bragg, Tara Roberts, Tom Susman

Tom Bragg on high school football, author Tara Roberts, Tom Susman.

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I want to start with talking a little football though.
High school football gets underway tonight across the great state
of West Virginia. Now tonight on ninety six to one KWS,
we're gonna have cover Joe the Huskies of Herbert Hoover

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as they travel to Independence here to talk about it
as Tom Bragg, how you doing man?

Speaker 5 (03:06):
Doing good?

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Dave?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
How are you this sing? I am doing doing fine.
Now That's not the only game we're covering tonight. Of course,
We've got Spring Valley at GW that'll be on five
ADWCCHS Chris Launch near Parker We have the call on
that game. And also we have the Metro News kickoff
game tonight, which will be a Metro News TV Morgantown
of Parkersburg and you can catch that one on the
app tonight. But you guys are back of the land

(03:28):
of the Huskies again. This is you and Mac guitar Murphy.
That's correct. But yeah, doing the Hoover games for ninety
six to one again this season. Real excited for it.
We had had a good run last year. Ultimately Hoover
came up a little bit short, lost in the state
championship game, but we didn't do that game. Dave, so
Matt Ny are undefeated as the Hoover broadcast team. We're
going to try to keep that going Tonight. Husky's got

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a tough one to open up this season. Got to
go on the road down to Cole City and take
on Independence Patriots. Always always just a tough program in
the double A days. If you've been paying attention for
a couple of years. That's who Hoover lost to in
the Double.

Speaker 7 (04:03):
A State championship game a few years back, State semi
finalist in Double A last year. Now you got to
go on the road play against that team, and a
lot of those guys are back from that team for
Independence last year. They had a freshman quarterback last year,
Brock Green double A first team All State as a freshman.
He's back obviously as a sophomore. And they've got a
kind of do it all guy, Silas Nelson, kind of

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in the mold of some of those just tough dudes
that have come through.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
There the last ten years.

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Reminds me a lot of Atticus Goods and Kennedy Award
winner from Independence four five years ago. Runs the ball,
plays tough, tough as nails defense all over the field.
He's a guy you got to keep your eye on.
If your Joey Field's and the Hoover staff. Hoover, on
the other hand, it's going to be it's going to
be interesting to see how Hoover reacts to life after
Dane Hatfield, the four year starting quarterback all everything, broke

(04:49):
all the records down there.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
He's off to college. Dane Hatfield wasn't he playing in
the seventies. It just seems like there.

Speaker 7 (04:56):
It seems like it. And with the lineage of the
Hatfield brother you know, he has older brothers that played
at Hoover. He's got a younger brother who's still playing
at Hoover. It does seem like Hatfield's been at Hoover
since the seventies. But no, Dan's off to college now,
and Hoover's got a new quarterback in They got to
transfer in from Capitol High School here in Charleston. He's
a sophomore. Peyton Grigsby very good for the Cougars last year,

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but it was more of a run first offense for them.
Probably going to be tasked with throwing the ball around
a little bit more as a sophomore at Hoover, and
they've got some weapons to go to. Blake Fisher's a
senior running back that can split out, likes to catch
the ball. He just is a guy that makes plays.
He's one of those dudes Joey Field's doesn't really matter
where he lines him up. He's a guy that he's
going to try to get the ball in his hands.
Sam Key returning senior receiver. Probably was Hatfield's leading target

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as a receiver last year, but they didn't throw it
around a ton. They throw it around some. But he's
going to be more involved this year, and they've got
some impact transfers in at those skill positions. Aidan Hernandez
came in from Winfield. He's going to be a senior.
He's going to play receiver, He's going to play a
little safety. I think he goes about six to two
hundred pounds. He's just big athletic dude. It was really
good soccer player as a kid. That guy's just been
one of those athletes. Whatever ball or sport you put

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him into, he's good. And then they also got no
Sean Hampton, a junior receiver slash defensive back who came
in from Hurrican this offseason. The pieces are there for
them to be very very good.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Again this year.

Speaker 7 (06:17):
It's just a matter of seeing them all put it together.
And it seems like over the years this will be
Joey Fields six season and Hoover he's been very good
at that kind of piecing things together, filling in spots
where guys have graduated or moved on. But you know,
every season's new and we'll see if they can do
it again this year. It starts out with a tough
one tonight, so iry.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
To Tom Bragg again about our coverage of Herbert Hoover football,
and then what times coverage tonight game kicks off at seven,
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the podcast menu. And you know, we talk about college football,
and everybody's excited about the coach, coach Rod returning to Morgantown.
We got a new coach at Marshall and coach Tony Gibson,
and the landscape of college football has changed so much
over the last couple of years because you got to
have a program to use the old saying to know
who the players are, especially true at Marshall, but it's

(07:18):
getting It's that way in high school football too, because
I mean a lot of these standout players. I was
reading an article in the paper the other day about
one particular young man and he was playing in something
like his this is like his third school in four years.
And I'm not I'll let me just say I'm old school.

Speaker 6 (07:34):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I understand why parents or grandparents want to move their
kids to give them an opportunity, but I don't know.
I just I'm just going to go on the record
and I'm going to make a lot of parents angry
when I say this. I don't like it, and a
lot of coaches are gonna get I don't like it
at all, But I'm old Nobody cares what I think.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
Yeah, I think with the coaches that the split probably
falls along well, who's benefiting and who's getting hurt this,
Which coaches are having programs that are just getting decimated
by this, and which coaches are kind of reaping the
benefits of those kids leaving those other programs and coming
to theirs. It's just a different world, Dave. I've said
it about college football with the advent of the transfer
portal and then NIL coming in.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
I'm not putting a value or a judgment on it,
but it's different and it's a different world for high
school football, especially in West Virginia the last few years
with the changes to the transfer rules in state, and
like you said, you've seen it blow up. I think personally,
there's something to be said for playing with the guys
you grew up with and doesn't matter if it's football
or soccer, or basketball or volleyball, baseball, whatever you got.

(08:41):
I think there's something to that and playing for your community,
and I think you lose a little bit of that
with kind of the wild West aspect of the way
some of these kids are moving around. But I mean,
they've changed the rules and it seems like people are
playing within those. We don't like it, but it seems
like maybe it seems like maybe it's the rule that's
the issue.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
And let's face it, I'm from Logan. We invented this.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
I mean it.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I'm just going to say. I'm just going to say
we kind of invented this in the nineteen sixties and seventies.
But and I did get another perspective on this, and
listeners have heard me talk about this on the show before.
I did get another perspective on this from a coach,
and I have not revealed who this coach is, and
I'm not going to reveal who the coach is, but
I had a coach one time. Tell me, Look, if
I have got a young man or young a student athlete,

(09:27):
I'll put it that way. A student athlete that is
playing at some small school in fill in name here
to be any rural county, and their only way to
be able to play college football and more importantly, to
get a college education, whatever the sport is, a college education,
is to transfer out of one of these smaller schools

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to a larger school, maybe in the Charleston area or
the Morgantown or how Neatson area or whatever. Who am
I to stand in their way? Because this is the
only opportunity that this student is going to have to
get a college education. I understand. I don't know how
many of those kids that impacts and then how many
of those kids that goes for. But I did get

(10:12):
the argument, Yeah, I'm with you on that.

Speaker 7 (10:14):
I that that seems kind of like a very specific situation,
but not one that doesn't exist, you know.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I mean, let's face it, a lot, tom a lot
of these kids are transferring just so the schools could
win a championship, and and and and thus schools win championships,
they get more stuff, they get more attention on them.
So it's it's, you know, you can't put the milk
back in the cart.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I mean, And sometimes it's a style thing.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
Maybe there's a receiver that is a very good receiver,
but he plays at a school that's running the triple
option and they're not they're not throwing the ball, and
he's got an opportunity to go somewhere where they throw
the ball.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 7 (10:50):
As long as you're not breaking the rules, I guess
I don't have a problem with it. But it just
it doesn't feel like it used to.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
And what.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It used to be is what it was I fell
in love with. So it's a little different.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
It's a little transition, but man, it's it's high school
football season in West Virginia.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Today.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
It feels a little bit like Christmas. We've been you know,
I was thinking about it this morning. We've been doing
the hashtag on Twitter for high school football in West Virginia.
This will be our fourteenth season to do it. I
remember when he's at Marshall now working for the athletic department.
But Grant Trailer when he was a reporter at the
Herald Dispatch and I was a reporter in Fairmont, we
needed a way to trade scores back and forth without like, hey,
did you see my text? We just started using that

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hashtag WV prep FB It will be fourteen seasons.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Where did the time go?

Speaker 7 (11:33):
So there are going to be kids in high school
now that were born the year we started using that
hashtag on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, it was funny. I was texting the other day
with the head coach. We have a new head coach
in my alma mater, Logan High School, and Nick Booth
is the new coach. Very very good friend of mine.
It has been for years. He and I actually worked together.
He did games for us on the radio station down there.
And I was just texting back and forth with him
the other day and I said, well, how do you

(11:58):
feel about the season, coach? You know, just friendly conversation.
And I ask him who the starting quarterback was? And
I said, I don't know why I asked that, because
I don't know. I said, maybe I should have said
in my text, who are the parents or the grandparents
of the starting quarterback because they I will have no
idea who this young man is and he gave me
the name and say, yeah, I don't know who's who

(12:19):
are his parents and grandparents? That's all I know. You
mentioned NIL NIL is a thing now, But talking to
Fred Persinger on Metro News Midday, I don't think it's
going to be the big thing for high school athletes
and people think it is. The way the rules are
in West Virginia, you can't you can't pose in front
of the school. You can't say if I'm the kid
from GW using that as an example that I'm the

(12:41):
starting quarterback for GW, you can't do that. I don't
think it's going to be as big a deal as
people think it is in West Virginia.

Speaker 7 (12:46):
No, I think there just aren't players of that I
don't want to say caliber, but of that stature socially
around statewide to be able to really cash in on that.
I think you get some hyper local kids', small schools,
not a whole like one school in a county. You've
kind of got a bigger pond to pull from as
far as potential NIL donors or sponsors there.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
But yeah, I'm with you, guys.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
And I think in high school football, high school sports
in West Virginia, the coaches are the personalities. That's who
you could really get to promote a team or promote
a service associated with the team. Because the players, I mean,
they're in there out Usually they're kids that are going
if they're going to college, they're going to smaller schools,
going to schools in the NEC. So there's I just
don't think there's opportunity there. But it's not like the

(13:32):
riches that people maybe are imagining when they see what
some of these college guys are getting.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I don't think it's going to be that. This is
not Texas or Ohio State.

Speaker 7 (13:39):
No, no, no, no, even I mean, you know, look
with the schools not supposed to be involved, and you're
not supposed to have a school logo or another team's
logo on anything. It's just like, what's the point, you know,
what is the company that's paying this money getting in
return for not being able to associate with the school
or the program. It's just the player And I don't
think I mean, I love the players, but I don't

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think that's selling stuff for whoever is going to be
the sponsor.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
All Right, we got Herbert Hoover tonight traveling to Independence.
You and Murphy will have all the coverage, and then
we're gonna talk to Daniel Woods about this a little
bit later on. We are bringing West Virginia State football
to one o seven three The Beat and they are
on the road, and we'll talk to Daniel a little
bit more about that tomorrow. But Daniel's gonna be the
play by play. Gather there and you're gonna be doing
color for West Virginia State. So we're looking forward to

(14:24):
a great season of West Virginia State football on our
sister station, one oh seven three The Beat. Now again,
the Hoover game tonight will be on ninety six to
one KWS, and then we will have coverage of Spring
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tomorrow night it's Poka and Buffalo on w CHS. We'll
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Aaron Parker will have the call on that game from

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it's at Buffalo, I think right, I believe so. Yeah,
it's in the land of the Bison, not by sons,
no Bison. Tom Bragg is always a pleasure man, absolutely
what's coming in Man, We'll do this on Fridays, going
say yeah, I'm glad you do, because you're gonna be
in here next Tria as well. All right, Tom, it's
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we'll talk to Brian about that. Coming up a little
bit later on. I want to welcome in to the
show author Tara Roberts, Good morning, Welcome to the show.
Thank you for being here. Now, you have an event
tonight at the Kitty Dowley Center for Community in Richmond,

(18:50):
four twelve Elizabeth Street in Charleston six point thirty and
this event is sold out, so apparently here apparently you know.
My intro to my the show says he's kind of
a big deal, which is kind of a joke. You
are a big deal, Tara, I don't know about that. Well,
apparently people wanted to come see.

Speaker 13 (19:08):
You tonight, so I'm honored.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Welcome to Charleston. Welcome to Charleston.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 13 (19:12):
Yes, this is my first time.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I was going to say, where is home for you?
Where are you from?

Speaker 13 (19:16):
I'm from Atlanta, Atlanta, GA.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
And this's your first time in Charleston.

Speaker 13 (19:19):
It's the first time in West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Really, yes, Okay, Well, here's what you need to know
about West Virginia. We're an actual state. Okay. We're nowhere
near Richmond or Rowanoak, which we get because you be surprised.
And your folks you're working with will tell you the
number of times people say, oh, you're from West Virginia.
I have a cousin in rowan Oak. Well that's nice,
but we're nowhere near rowan Oak or Richmond or any
of those other cities. That's what's your impression of West

(19:42):
Virginia so far?

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (19:43):
So far, I've met friendly people. I mean I just
got here last night, really late, so I haven't had
a chance to see anything. But the people I've encountered
have been so friendly and nice.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, let me tell you one thing that goes I
think unnoticed by a lot of people. We have a
really good food scene here in Charleston, and I know
something about food. I'm a fan, you know. So so
let me just say, make sure while you're in town,
how long you're going to be in town, make sure
somebody takes you out for some fine cuisine here in Charleston,
because we've got some good stuff here. All right, So

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you're from from Atlanta's were from Atlanta? Give us your bio?
What do people need to know about you?

Speaker 14 (20:18):
I mean, I'm a journalist by trade, okay, storyteller and
for the last seven years I've become an actual explorer.
So my title is explorer and what I've been doing
over the last seven years is following diving with telling
stories about a group of black scuba divers who dive

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for slave ship wrecks around the world.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
I read a little bit, and by the way, on
your bio, author, storyteller, and adventurer. I like that. Yes,
that's pretty that that's pretty cool. What was it that
made you? I mean, you were journalists by what kind
of journalism did you do. I mean, what did you
Where did you work?

Speaker 13 (20:57):
Nothing like what I'm doing now?

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (20:59):
I did food and travel, girl and home, right right.
I really didn't do anything around history, around adventure. This
was all accidental. I happened to be living in Washington,
DC and I saw a picture in the National Museum

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of African American History and Culture. And this picture was
a It was a picture of a group of black
women scuba divers. And I had never seen a group
of black women's scuba divers before. So the picture just
touched me and made me interested, and I ended up
calling them up and they invited me to join them.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Now, had you ever done scuba diving in the past?

Speaker 13 (21:43):
No, of course not, of course not no.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
And what was your Because I am I've never gone
scuba diving, so I don't have anything for a point
of reference, But what was your first scuba diving experience?

Speaker 12 (21:57):
Like?

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Were you a little apprehensive at first? I mean, I
think a problem you are. I would think I took
to it like a fish, had no pun intended.

Speaker 14 (22:05):
I mean, I grew up swimming. I didn't know the ocean,
but I loved the water. And there's just something that
is so beautiful about scuba diving, about being under the water.
It's so meditative and beautiful, and these divers are doing

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such incredible work under the water as they search for history.
It just felt like an amazing story to tell and
an amazing adventure to have.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
And so what was their backstory? I mean, I know
that you have written about it. I mean how did
they get into this? I mean how did that? I
mean is this is this a common thing? Something goes
on a lot. I mean, what was their story?

Speaker 13 (22:51):
Well, they are a part of a group called Diving
with a Purpose.

Speaker 14 (22:54):
Yeah, and the group has been around for over twenty
years and it started because they're founder, who's from Tennessee,
was invited by an archaeologist down to a park in Florida,
and the archaeologist thought that she had found a slave
ship wreck. But she was the lone archaeologist in the

(23:16):
park and the main rule about scuba diving is that
you can't dive alone. So she approached this group called
the National Association of Black Scuba Divers and invited their
Southeastern representative to come down and to check out this wreck.

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And when he came down, she said that she'd teach
him how to actually do the documentation work of it's
archaeological mapping, and she invited him to dive with her,
and when he did it, he was like, I love
to scuba dive. I'm with all of these people who

(23:58):
loved to scuba dive, but we're not die with a Purpose.

Speaker 13 (24:01):
So hence the creation of the group and that name.

Speaker 14 (24:06):
So now the group has about five hundred divers really
that are trained in this methodology that's called archaeology. It's mapping.
So they're down there documenting the wrecks that are on
the ocean and.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Where give us a couple of the areas that they
would go in your experience.

Speaker 14 (24:25):
So Diving with a Purpose has done missions all around
the world. Florida, Alabama, so that's the United States. They've
done missions in Costa Rica, Saint Croix, Mozambique, South Africa, Senegal.
It's really like the Transatlantic slave trade. They were close

(24:45):
to seventy nations that were involved in the trade in Europe, Africa,
North America, South America. So there are ships everywhere. So
the missions are happening all over the world.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
And how proximately, I know, you don't know the exact
number because you're still discovering them. But how many are
we talking about that maybe out there? Approximately?

Speaker 14 (25:06):
Well, they know that there were twelve thousand ships that
participated in the slave trade, twelve thousand ships, and they've
estimated that approximately a thousand of those ships wrecked. But
to date they have found less than twenty of those wrecks.
So there is a whole lot of history out there.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
To all oceans.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Oceans, Okay, And I'm not trying to make a lie
of the situation, so I'll get to smile off my
face when I said that really bad joke there. But
let's talk about the casualties that went involved in that,
because when these ships went down that they were filled
with people with people. Talk about the casualties.

Speaker 14 (25:47):
So the estimates are that there were twelve point five
million Africans that were brought from Africa to the Americas,
so that's how many people were trafficked, and they estimate
that approximately one point.

Speaker 13 (26:02):
Eight million actually died in the ocean.

Speaker 14 (26:07):
So in that crossing from Africa to the Americas, one
point eight million people lost their lives in the ocean,
and most of us don't know those numbers. So what
these divers are doing in partnership with historians and archaeologists.
They're finding this history and hoping to bring these stories

(26:28):
back into memory. I think it's really incredible work.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, I mean it's it's fascinating to me when I
first was doing a little deep dive. Again, no pun intended.

Speaker 13 (26:37):
You can't help yourself.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I can't help myself. It's thirty seven years of this,
I've been doing this, but it's fascinating story. Meaning again,
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In addition to all this, you got an upcoming memoir
coming out to understand talk about that.

Speaker 14 (27:14):
Yeah, Well, I'm a storyteller and so I've been finding
creative and interesting ways to tell the story. And my
work has all been supported by National Geographic So I'm
an explorer with nat GEO and they give me grants
to tell these stories.

Speaker 13 (27:32):
So we started out.

Speaker 14 (27:33):
Originally I was writing blog in trees about my journey
as I traveled with these divers around the world, and
that grew because there's so many stories to tell into
a podcast. So I have a podcast out It's Gone
into the Depths, tells the story of six of the
ships that were found.

Speaker 13 (27:54):
And then I found that that still wasn't enough.

Speaker 14 (27:56):
There's still so many stories to tell that I felt
like I needed to write book about this journey. So yes,
the book came out in January.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Written in the stars close, Okay, just think about what
I'm doing. Okay, I'm diving.

Speaker 13 (28:10):
Okay, So written in the Why did I.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Say written in the stars, But probably because when I
was typing some notes here, my mind probably went there.
That's probably what it was written. Okay, written in the water.
Written in the water. It makes a lot more sense. Yeah,
it does. And where where's the book available?

Speaker 13 (28:27):
It's available everywhere.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Everywhere you get everywhere you get book you can get books.
What do you hope people take away?

Speaker 10 (28:33):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
To our from from your from your talk that you're
going to be given to night or with the Duly Center.
What do you want people to take away from it?
And when you do these type presentations.

Speaker 14 (28:42):
Well, I want people to know more about this history.
So you'll hear some stories of the divers tonight, You'll
hear some stories of the ships that were found. You'll
hear some about something about my journey because this this
trip has also been a transformative journey for me. I

(29:06):
wasn't a person who was that interested in history quite honestly,
before I started this journey. But this work has helped
me find a sense of connection to the past that
I didn't have before. So I'll talk a little bit
about that. But I hope that people come away knowing
a little bit more about the past. I hope people

(29:28):
are inspired to know that it's never too late to
step into your your passion, to step onto your path.
I never thought that I would be a scuba diver,
you know, like I'm a grown person.

Speaker 13 (29:43):
Also, I'm not in my twenties.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Most peples start that when they're a little bit younger
year old, but people start it when they're younger. You know,
passion from like your childhood or something, or at least
thirteen years possibly.

Speaker 14 (29:53):
Yeah, i completely left my job to start this adventure,
so it's a complete do over of my life and
I'm at the middle of my career. So i want
people to take away that it's never too late to
step into something you love.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Well.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
The event again is going to be at four to
twelve Elizabeth Street tonight the Kitty Duley Center for Community
in Richmond. Unfortunately, though, if you're listening and you want
to go, get sold out. So do you have a
way people could reach out to you, like a website
or where they could read your stuff, or social media
that you want to people want to connect with you.

Speaker 14 (30:24):
Yeah, I'm on Instagram it's Tara Roberts Explorer, so people
can follow me there. National Geographic does lots of stories
on this, so check nat Geo out and that's a
way to find more about the work that's happening. Or
also check out Diving with a Purpose. They are doing
incredible work around the world, so you can google them

(30:46):
and follow them.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Tara, is a pleasure to meet you and have this
conversation and also a big shout out to the West
Virginia Women's Alliance and the YWCA of Charleston for making
this possible torrow. We appreciate you being here. Great to
meet you. Thanks and enjoying your time in West Virginia. Okay,
are you on a plane out of here like late
tonight or tomorrow? Time A long time. Take care of
her here in Chucktown, all right, take her around, take

(31:08):
her to Capital Market, take her to some of the
things that are in Charleston we have to offer here.
Appreciate you being here. Thanks a lot. We'll take a break.
We're talking to Peia with Tom Susman, plus media rologist
Brian Hughes, who's out on the water somewhere right now,
not doing what Tara is doing, but we will let
you explain. It does this every year. We'll talk to
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nine three five, fine, zero zero eight. We'll talk about
everybody's favorite subject, the always exciting world of p E
I A. Tom Sussman knows just a little bit about
it as the as the man man in charge at
one point of p e I A. And he joins
us right now, good morning, sir, welcome to the show.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
Welcome, good sir, welcome, Thank you for having me And
sorry I forgot that I was in white softfur today
instead they couldn't be with you in the studio. It's
so much fun to be in the studio.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
It was interesting because you and I were talking and
we set this up about a week or so ago
for you to come on the show today. And I
started thinking to myself this morning, I says self, I
bet Tom Sussman is at the business summit at the
Green Brier, and lo and behold, I get a text
from you, but says, hey, I forgot I'm at the
Green Brier. Uh so we'll have to do a bove phone.
But I do appreciate. How are things going there at

(34:59):
the in the summer? You down there yesterday or what?

Speaker 8 (35:02):
Yeah? I was down there. Yes, they're a good meeting
a lot of folks. It's really upbeat conversation today is political.
Senator Capitol talked this morning and UH to take your call.
I left a Senator Justice's speech, so you know where
you're right for me?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Well, you just tell you, just tell you, just tell Jim.
And baby dog is baby dog?

Speaker 8 (35:22):
There? I didn't see baby dogs.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Oh oh, I wondering, wonder what's up with that?

Speaker 8 (35:28):
I don't know. He was giving a good speech.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
You just tell Jim, just say I'm sorry. But much
bigger people need me, meaning Dave Allen. So there you go. Absolutely,
And by the way, I do want to program me.
Note Senator's Capital is going to be the first guest
on talk line as Wilson and Meadows are broadcasting line
from the Green Brier today. All right, So I want
to talk about p I I A. Tom, and you
and I have talked about it in the past. It's
a mess, and it has been for some time. Some

(35:52):
info linked out linked out one way or the other
that the governor UH may propose some changes to p
E I A, perhaps in a special session, that include
changing the percentages that would be out of pocket and
doing something that's been done quite frankly, Tom in the
private sector for years. If someone is on PEIA and
their spouse's employer offers insurance, they would have to be

(36:12):
on that instead of PEIA. Just some of the things
that are being thrown out there. Brad Michailhenny has been
covering the story for about a week now. You're taking
what you've what you've heard so far.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
So in terms of the having a different copay for
a premium split for new employees versus current employees, so
their current employees, or an eighty twenty split for new employees,
we're hearing that he wants to go to seventy five
twenty five. There's real concern by legislators and others that

(36:46):
we're having a hard enough time in the state recruiting
and retaining education employees and high need positions and state
government that when you do a seventy five twenty five
for new hires, that is just going to that job
even tougher. Also, the savings up front is not really
great because it'll be a while before that matriculates into

(37:09):
the system. So there's some concern there. There's some concern
on the spouse issue, and they also believe a lot
of this can be done, not the seventy five twenty
five could be done by the planet itself. They have
the ability to set premiums and do things that they
could do, and so you know numbers. I haven't been

(37:29):
talking to legislators. I'm not sure they've bought in they'd
like the fraud piece. He wants to talk about that.
I think there's you know that seems to have some legs.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
But is there Let me let me jump in here
one second time. Is there substantial fraud in pie in
your opinion?

Speaker 8 (37:44):
No, I think what you have is you have to
go in and do audits. You have to review. Sure, yeah,
sometimes don't understand what the coverage guidelines are sometimes pa
and when I was there, so I'm not throwing stones
with them. It's a very complicated situation. So if you
don't explain to people and you have to audit and
you have to talk about it, and you have to
review it and talk about it, if you pass in

(38:06):
a fraud bill today, you're not going to save any money,
but you're gonna have to go do audits. Why not
go ahead and start the audits now? Why wait for
the passage of a fraud bill. There are things that
you can do to try and bring that down on
the employee spouse thing probably makes some sense. But you know,
some of those folks they may be looking to go
to the exchange, and now the exchange itself, maybe the

(38:28):
health Exchange could shut down, and if Congress doesn't renew
the enhanced tax credits. So there's just there are a
lot of moving parts here, and you know, the legislative
session starts in January, and so a number of them
are just let's just wait till we get into a
regular session.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
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Speaker 2 (38:55):
This is for you.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
It says PIA members are seeing changes now for clinical facilities.
This now generally doubles the copaid. This is increasing our cost.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
It wouldn't surprise me. They have the power to manage
the plan. And depending on where you go, I'm sure
they're negotiating different benefits. So I mean, I think PA
can manage the plan from my time, unless it's been
significantly reduced. And then talking with Center President Craig Blair,

(39:27):
I think they expanded the ability of PA to manage
its plan to do the things that they needed to do.
One of the things they're talking about is I think
something on specialty drugs, which are those real high end drugs,
they want to ask for permission to do negotiation. And
unless the code has significantly changed, they had the power

(39:47):
to negotiate that for years, and so I'm not sure
that a special sessions warranted on some of these things.
I think the plane itself can do it.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Some of the legislators, both Republican and Democrat, that I
have talked to on the air and in private conversations
and you kind of alluded to this TOIME, have expressed
real concern here that they can sell this to their constituents.
And again this is both Republicans and Democrats. And let's
face the time. Next year, twenty twenty six is an
election year for the House members. Some Senate seats will

(40:21):
be available next year as well. It could be a
hard seal and could be a full stop, you know,
on some of the some of these legislators. Would you
gree with that?

Speaker 8 (40:34):
Yeah? Absolutely, And I'm working on a story that we're
going to run probably Friday on WMV the station I
work with, a radio station, and Craig Blair provided me
this long list of things that have happened to manage
PI since like twenty fourteen, and I think there's a
feeling by some that, look, we've done it. We've given
PA the tools they need to manage the plan, and

(40:58):
really it's not up to the legislature to PEI and
the administration.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Tex says Dave. I've always heard the more people in
insurance pool, the less the cost. Ask your guests, why
can't everyone in the state get pe I A it
would be cheaper for everyone.

Speaker 8 (41:12):
Well, PA is an employee benefit plan, and as such,
it's designed to ensure the people who work for the
State of West Virginia and their family teachers and their
family higher education. It's not really a private plan that
you would open up now. When Governor Wives was there,
we did work with Blue Cross Blue Shield for a
period of time before they had the exchange, and we

(41:36):
were able to put together a small business plan, but
that wasn't using PI risk pools. But PI is a
It's an employee benefit, and people lose sight of that.
It is not a welfare plan. It's not an intimate plan.
It's a plan. It's part of people's stalary who work
for the state, or work for higher education or school
teachers and or service personnel to encourage them as part

(42:01):
of their salary packete. All right, Tom, and employee benefit.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Tom, I got to jump in here and go to
the break, but I do want to give you about
thirty seconds or so, if you can do it in
that amount of time. Talk about Tim Armstead, who we
lost a couple of days ago at the age of sixty.
We've had tributes coming in right and left. You knew
Tim Armstead. Well, I'll let you let you close us
out with your thoughts on the late Tim Armstead.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
There was not a bigger gentleman than Tim Armstead. He
and I may not have agreed politically, he was always
a gentleman. He always said hi, He always had a
smile on his face. I think the politicians today could
learn from Tim Armstead on how this country should.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Behave all right, good way to leave it. Get back
in there and listen to what Senator Justice had to
say and figure out where baby dog is and tell
the Senator. I said, hello, I will do that all right, sir.
Thank you Tom Sussman. I appreciate it as always ten
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see here, tex says OMG Shelley Capito on talk line.
I can't wait to hear her say a bunch of
words that mean absolutely nothing. She's going to tell us
how great everything is and how hard she's working, and
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be able to get Brian Hughes to They will try
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will say this to close the show, and I hate
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(49:46):
not that Brian Hughes is not serious. He's a serious
weather man, he is, but he does have a lot
of fun. That's why he and I are such good friends.
This this you know, tragic shooting that happened yesterday in Minnesota.
I don't know what the answer is because people say,
you know, thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 8 (50:07):
And so on.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Well, whatever we're doing is not working. I'll tell you
what's not helpful though. What's not helpful is when we
have these stories of these school shootings, and of course
this was an incident in a Catholic facility where students
were literally praying, and this person barricaded the doors and

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killed these people, injured others as well. What's not helping
the situation is when we rush in and try to
politicize it. And that's what we do in our society
right now, because we emerge ourselves in politics nearly twenty
four to seven. I mean, I do this show which

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is not always political, there's politics involved, but also talk
about community events, and then I'm on Metro News Midday,
which is really more of a news show, but we
do delve into politics and interview all the newsmakers and
politicos and so on and so forth. But there's people
I do this four hours a day. I knew people
that do nothing. The Brad mcailhanneys and Steven Allen adams
is of the world that pretty much cover politics all

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the time. They don't emerge themselves in a twenty four
to seven. And that's where we are right now. As
soon as there is a tragedy like this, everybody goes
to their trusted news source, whatever that is. And I
saw it last night. I was reading some information online.
There's a very good friend of mine and he and

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I differ greatly politically, but he's a great, great guy,
a very good friend of mine, and I saw something.
I'm not blaming him, but I saw something that was
put on his page by somebody about the shooter. Well,
it turns out that this shooter was a trans person.
But apparently, and I'm going to use the psychological term here,

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was completely batcrap crazy. That's the official psychological term. This
was a person who apparently had it in for Donald Trump,
who apparently had it in for Jewish people. Obviously, had
it in for Catholics and may Or may not have been.
This one's up for debate right now. They're trying to

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get to details may Or may not have been dying
with cancer. So I would just say this, just be
careful when we have these events like this, that we
don't rush to go aha. You know a Trump supporter aha,
a liberal aha, trans aha, very religious whatever. It's a
tragedy and the best advice I can have is I

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don't really have any advice other than to stop trying
to get a win when we have situations like this.
All Right, gotta go. I'll be back with Metro News
midday with thirteen News in that live anchor Amanda Baron
and me later today. Back on this show tomorrow, Ryan Nicholson,
our producer, thank you so much. I'll see you later.
So then, have fun and love somebody h why b

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