12/09/2025 The Dave Allen Show on 580 Live - Sierra Marling, Dr. Casey Sacks, Dr. Paula Potter

Sierra Marling from the Clay Center, Dr. Casey Sacks of BridgeValley, and Dr. Paula Potter Kanawha County Schools Superintendent on school decisions due to weather.

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Speaker 4 (01:41):
Welcome to the Show.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Tuesday edition of the show, and we're still battling the
snow and ice, although it's going to get better, they
tell us later today.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
I will tell you Interstates. When I drove in.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
This morning, we're in pretty good shape. I drive in
secondary roads, Yeah, not so much. I will say this.
The hardest part of my commute this when he's actually
getting out of my subdivision. That was the hardest part.
Other than that though, it was pretty good. But again,
we started, you know the day or when I got
to work about twenty five degrees or so. It's going

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to warm up to the low forties, so some of
it is going to melt. But regardless, and of course
that leads me to my next point and has to
do with school. No matter you know this, No matter
what school officials do in regards to having school and
inclement weather days, whether they're closed, remote learning, all out
snow days, one two three delays one two three hour delays, whatever,

(02:33):
early DISMISSI was not, everybody's going to be happy about
what actually goes into making those decisions. Cannaw County School
Superintendent Dontre Paul Potter is going to join us to
talk about that, coming up a little bit later on. Plus,
doctor Casey Sachs of Bridge Valley is here and your
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Speaker 4 (02:55):
I want to walk you in now to get a
started though. Sierra Marlin McLay Center. How you doing?

Speaker 7 (03:00):
Good morning, I'm doing okay after sliding into.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Work, Okay, I's gonna say, how was your commute in
this morning.

Speaker 7 (03:05):
You know, it wasn't too bad. I expected much worse.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
But I grew up on a mountain in the middle
of nowhere, so this is this is easy piece here And.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Where did you grow up?

Speaker 6 (03:12):
You don't Clake County, Clay County, all right, so you
know all about this. This is probably nothing to you, right.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
Yeah, I'm super sorry.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
Guys.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
If you're having trouble, you're just gonna have to follow me.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Maybe you could just start a service. The Clay Center
thing didn't work out.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
We just picked people up. How is that?

Speaker 7 (03:26):
I'm really into hustle culture. Don't temp me?

Speaker 4 (03:28):
All right?

Speaker 6 (03:28):
All right, all right, guys are getting ready for Carnival,
is that right?

Speaker 7 (03:32):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So this is our fifteenth anniversary celebration of Carnival. This
year's theme is Reflection, so it's kind of a play
on wards. We're gonna be reflecting see what I did
there and all the great work that we've accomplished over
the years. Like, for example, this events raised around two
point one million dollars since it started, so cumulatively that's

(03:52):
done a lot for our operations. And that's no small
feat because we've been able to bring awesome exhibits to
our Discovery Museum. We've been able to launch Clay to Go,
which has brought steam to communities all over West Virginia,
those rural places that might not be able to easily
go on a field trip to the Clay Center. And
it's also brought amazing art to the Juliet Art Museum.

(04:15):
If you haven't been recently, we have Warhol I'm talking
beautiful big block prints.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
You should go see them.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
But anyway, back to Carnival, so reflection also means we're
going to be dressing in sequins, crystals, we are shining
it up. We're calling it black tie with a twist.
So we expect people to come kind of in gallaware.
But we also know that this is a very creative
event for a lot of people, So we expect to
see some really beautiful, shiny work come out of our

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patrons this year.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
And where and when is the event?

Speaker 7 (04:47):
January thirty first?

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Okay, all right, so we are going.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
To be having a couple of bands as usual.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Have you been before, David, I have not.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
So close.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
This could be the ye though, Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well, we have entertainment all through the museum. It's an
entire building, experience, and it's surely one not to miss.
I'm booking the entertainment right now and we have some
great selections. It's going to be full of dancing. We're
going to have a silent auction, and for the first year,
that auction is featuring Appalachian art, which is really important,
right that we got to feature our locals and that art.

(05:25):
That art auction is going to go straight to helping
our art museum keep bringing in like the Picassos, the Warhols,
and the things that most people around here probably wouldn't
get to see otherwise. I mean, when was the last
time you saw a Warhol piece in person?

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, it's it's been a while.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
It's especially important because you know, like I said, I
grew up in Clay County, and you know, I loved school,
but there were a lot of kids that just don't
love school.

Speaker 7 (05:52):
And but you know what they do love Dave, They
love the Clay Center. They come in those or.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
They love getting out of class.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well the Clay Center is like fun class, but it
is it is you have all these awesome exhibits.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
I mean, just if you had to put a guesstimate
on it, I don't need an exact figure. How many
school kids do you see every year to Clay Center.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Oh my goodness, it's thousands. And that's no exaggeration because
basically any Kadon County school can come on a field
trip there. We have an agreement with local government that
empowers every elementary school to have field trips there.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
So it's literally thousands of children.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
And it's not just Kenaw County. I mean there's other
school systems that take part in this as well.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yes, we have children from all over the state come
to the Clay Center. So it's really no exaggeration that
your date night here at Carnival is making an impact.
I mean, I think about all the mail we get.
We get mail from children and families and classrooms and
they're talking about how they love healthy me exhibit. We

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recently had a child talk about how they climbed up
to the top of Ashton's climbing sculpture in the middle
and he was like, only fell twice, but you know,
they don't fall out.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
But for these kids, that's like an adrenaline.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Rush better than I could do.

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Right, I can't.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Even look at the thing without my joints hurt. And
you know, we had this new space lab open earlier
this year. Kids can create their own rocket, they get
to drive a Perseverance on Mars, and there's a bunch
of video games too where you can kind of create
your own universe. And I'm not going to lie to you.
As a grown woman, I really love that exhibit. So

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we need to keep things like Carnival going so that
we can keep on track for kids in our local area.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
It's going to be paid for somehow.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yes, And you know Carnival, it's it's just more than
just a party.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Well, and it's kind of like become one of those,
if not the social event of the year in Charleston.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Oh yeah, you're going to bump into someone, you know.
We've sold hundreds of tickets already in this event. It
sells out every year. So when I say people need
to be getting their tickets now, I'm not exaggerating.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I know as a normal person making normal people, it
might seem expensive, but you got to keep in mind
by the time that you take your significant other to
a nice restaurant, you go do an activity like it
adds up so by the end of that night, you're
probably spending about what you pay for the carnival ticket
and then some because that carnival ticket is all inclusive.

(08:18):
You get there, we're gonna have catering from ten to ten.
Your friends are going to be there. We've got good drinks,
We've got great entertainment. I mean, we've got a DJ
in two bands.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
Are you at liberty at this point to discuss who
the entertainment is? If if not, it's fine. I just
wanted to see kind of where we were. If not,
I completely understand.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I'm not at liberty to discuss yet. But if you
follow our socials, then you'll be able to be the
first to know.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
All right, We're talking with Sierre Marlin of the Clay
Center about Carnival, which is coming up to January thirty.
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see online or whatever for those that haven't attended in

(09:05):
the past, and you see the how people go all
out for this thing, and really not just Charleston, but
all the West Virginia comes out for this thing.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
Man.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
It's really it's it's really something special.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
It's spectacular, and with this year being our fifteenth anniversary,
we're hoping it's going to be the grandest celebration yet.
And only you guys can make it that way by
showing up. So don't leave me, hang in, go get
your tickets.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
Indeed, indeed we're talking to Sierra Marlin from the Clay
Center here on the Dave Allan Show on five to
eighty line.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
The Voice Charleston wcchs.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
If people, what's the biggest I don't want to say misconception,
that's not the word, But what's the biggest surprise from
people when they co We know the kids are in
wonder of everything, but I mean, what's the big what's
when adults.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Come to the Clay Center.

Speaker 6 (09:50):
What does the biggest their biggest surprise or something maybe
that they weren't expecting.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
Well, actually, that's a really great question.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I had a friend that moved here recently from South
Carolina and she came to the Clay Center recently and
she was just shocked at the volume of what was
happening at the Clay Center. So the Clay Center is
one of a few places here or really anywhere in
the country that features steam everything. So we have an
art museum, we have the Discovery Museum full of science exhibits,

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and we feature performances. A lot of people don't expect Broadway,
for example, but we have an entire Broadway series. So
we're bringing things like we had the Book of Mormon
this year, Kinky Boots music Man's coming up, and we
even have cool rentals. So for example, I don't know
if you're a fan of the Princess Bride Dave, but
we've got the Princess Bride coming up and carry Elways,

(10:40):
Wesley the dashing Hero. He'll be there to answer questions
for people, and that's something people just don't seem to
expect in little old Charleston. We actually get some really
great entertainment all under the same roof as a museum and.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
An art museum.

Speaker 6 (10:56):
People aren't Here's what I have learned that when people
have that I've talked to you that have moved to
the area. They have said, on numerous occasions to me
and others they've said, I wasn't expecting something like that
in Charleston, you know. I mean, you're expecting this is
something that generally a facility like this is something you're
gonna see in Columbus, you're gonna see in Pittsburgh, in Charlotte,
you're not necessarily going to see it, as you said,

(11:16):
in little old Charleston, West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, yeah, in the quality of our exhibits it matches
that of these larger areas, and that's because we have
such a great team who works really hard to find
these things. Like we have an entire exhibition exhibit right
now in the Discovery Museum on water, and you could
learn about the importance of environmental protection clean water. But

(11:39):
you're going through this maze like a water droplet. And
this exhibit's gone through other larger museums, So there could
be someone who maybe was in Columbus who would see
something extremely similar or the same, because we're all working
with the same people. Because the people on my team
are just that talented, we don't skimp. We work really

(12:00):
hard and hustle for these kids and for our patrons
who come to events like Carnival. I was in a
decor meeting yesterday, and we have such big stuff coming.
I'm not liberty to tell you, but I can tell
you it's shiny, it's festive, and it's going to be Dare.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
I say lit lit lit my favorite term.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Well yeah, and you know, I'm a mom and I
have two kids. They're a little old for Blippy now,
but even recently we had Blippy kind of bring down
the house. I mean, these kids were just so excited.
And that's the level of impact we want to bring
because from these small children up to Broadway, there's really
something for everyone. If you look on our schedule, and

(12:46):
if you don't understand the schedule, you can come to
our ticketing booth and someone can walk you through what
you might be into.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
I mean, one of the things I have noticed when
I have attended events at Clay Center concerts and things
of that nature too, is is your staff there, you know,
the the folks who help you find your seat, your
USh volunteers, you know, and so on and so forth.
I mean, that's it's first class how you do that.
And I love going to concerts there because I mean,
you know, it's cliche and the music business say, or
the entertainment business to say not a bad seat in

(13:14):
the house, but there's really not. It's a great place
to see a show.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
What's your favorite show you've attended their days?

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Actually, I will tell you probably, Oh, definitely Willie Nelson.
I'm a you know, I'm a rednick. No, not really
a redneck, but I like redneck music.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
How's that?

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Honestly, I totally get it. I know we've had zz Top,
William Shatner stopped by five minute. I mean, we have
had such great acts it's kind of hard for me
to choose one. Recently, we had an a cappella group
come through and I was so enamored by that, and
they had this beautiful setup. I think people expect the

(13:50):
stage to look one way, but for each performance it
looks totally different. I mean, our stage crew works so
hard to go from a ballet one weekend to a
musical one another. It's kind of like movie magic, except
it's stage magic.

Speaker 9 (14:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, But I know it sounds boring when I say
things like, oh, the funds from Carnival go to our
operating budget.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
But you got to operate, yeah, yeah, yeah, and you
got to have a budget to do so all right,
we got to wrap it up. Give us the details
in Carnival again, where people can get tickets to date,
give us all the stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
So Carnival is going to be the night of January
thirty first, twenty twenty six, at the Clay Center for
the Arts and Sciences of West Virginia, sponsored by the
Ruth and Jostone Foundation and presented by Friends of Clay
who support arts, education and community programs at the Clay Center.
You can find tickets on our website Claycenter dot org.
So and you can also see V one hundred on

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a little banner there. So either way you're going to
get to come to the party. So join me there.

Speaker 6 (14:46):
All right, that's going to be on January thirty first,
get your tickets, but get your tickets like soon, like
over the next couple days, week or so soon.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Right, Well, yeah, this event really does sell out. I
recommend jumping on it.

Speaker 6 (14:56):
Get on it all right, to see here. I appreciate
you being here, Thanks a lot, appreciate it is a
nine to twenty two. We'll take a break. Doctor Paula
Potter from Kanawa County School Superintendent's coming up a little
bit later on, and doctor Casey Sachs of Bridge Valley
on the way next to the Voice of Charleston WCCHS.

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Want to welcome and now a good friend, Doctor Casey
Sachs a Bridge Valley. How's it going, doctor Sachs.

Speaker 8 (17:43):
Dave Allen, so great to be with you today.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
It you know when when you just throw my name
out there and go, Dave Allen, I feel like I'm
in trouble even.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Though you're not here.

Speaker 8 (17:52):
Is that how your mom yells at you?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (17:54):
And my wife yeah yeah, and my coworkers and my
cat yeah. They all yell at me that one. So
that's it's all good. So how are things up at
Bridge Valley on this cold, not yet officially winter type day.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
What's going on up there? Weatherwise?

Speaker 8 (18:07):
It's finals week, so okay, everything's been plowed. But I
was talking to a young lady yesterday in the elevator
about her math final, and I feel like that's where
everybody's head is not so much with the snow.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
M hmm. Yeah, those always fun math finals. You gotta
love it, you gotta love it.

Speaker 13 (18:23):
That's right, all right.

Speaker 6 (18:24):
So you and I have spent some time doctor Sacks
in the past talking about this cohort with Goldman Sachs,
and understand you're about to graduate a class.

Speaker 8 (18:33):
Now we are. We have thirty seven people in a
North Carolina cohort. So something that's been fun about this
ten thousand small businesses program is that they've asked us
to run cohorts all over the Appalachian region. So we've
done West Virginia and southern Indiana and now North Carolina.
The cohorts really incredible. They're in everything from aviation to hospitality,

(18:56):
and they're making money and small businesses right here in
the region.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
And when you say cohort.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
That's been kind of a buzz term in the world
of business and educational last ten years.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Explain what exactly a cohort is.

Speaker 8 (19:09):
It's just a small group of people who go through
class together and then who help each other so they
start doing business together and really working together. They get
to know each other. It's having a community. It's exactly
what you would have at your church or at your
Lions club.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
That's kind of a high end networking for lack of
a better term, right, everybody kind of working together on
projects and whatnot.

Speaker 8 (19:29):
That's right. And in education we think about cohorts because
you have a similar interest. So these people have a
similar interest in growing small businesses.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
And you can learn a lot from each other especially
and then when you say small businesses, you're speaking my
language there, So I really enjoy talking about that. I
want to talk about your Win Academy. You're having an
open house right today.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
At five point thirty. It's here in Building two thousand
at the Tech Park, and it's actually been really fun
because our current high school students are bringing in other
high schoolers to talk about the opportunities and to really
showcase what they've been doing so it's very very student
led and we're excited about that.

Speaker 6 (20:04):
And for those that don't understand, you're on with me
a couple of times a month, but maybe somebody's listening
for the first time.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Explaining what the WIN Academy is.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
So, the WIN Academy is an early college high school.
It's a public school, but students enroll in high school
with us here at the WIN Academy and they take
classes that are all sequenced to be able to complete
an associates degree. So students who are in the WIN
Academy are either working on classes to become a nurse
or to go into advanced manufacturing technology.

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Speaker 13 (20:50):
Oh, so your.

Speaker 8 (20:51):
Last data register so classes start January twelfth. Your last
data register is January eighth, and we're having an open
registration that day, so folks can just walk in and
talk to somebody. But all next week we have open advising.
So if you want to come in and pop by,
or if you've sort of thought about signing up for classes,
now is a great time to do it.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Now would be the time to do it. What's uh?

Speaker 14 (21:12):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (21:12):
What?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
What are student?

Speaker 6 (21:14):
You got a wide array of programs up there that
are always popular with the students. But what's on the
student's mind when it comes to registering? What's some of
the todd I don't want you to rank them as
to like what's better words, because they're all great, But
what are some of the ones that that that you
really like to talk about today?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Some of the different classes.

Speaker 8 (21:30):
Our healthcare programs are very popular. You can do a
flabotomy certification in just eight weeks, so that's a really
short term. One CDL is similar. You can do that
really quickly. Things that take longer like nursing or engineering,
but those are also very popular. I would say a
kind of top three big areas are in it manufacturing
and healthcare.

Speaker 6 (21:51):
Talk about doctor Casey Sachs a Bridge Valley and you
know with this snow that we've had on the ground,
which I'm personally not a fan of. Sorry Joe Stevens
from the Ski Association, who gets me every time I
say that.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
But it's just it's a personal thing.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
I know that it's I know that it's needed, but
it does kind of get people in the Christmas spirit.
And you're going to be doing a holiday movie night
in Montgomery.

Speaker 13 (22:13):
Right, we are.

Speaker 8 (22:14):
We have a great theater there in Davis Hall, and
we love to be able to showcase things. So the
nineteenth at five point thirty, bring little kids. We're going
to show the Santa Claus and we expect that Santa
is going to be making a guest appearance.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
All right, have you gotten your list of Sanna?

Speaker 8 (22:31):
You know, I think the reason Santa spends so much
time in West Virginia is that he has to get
his coal somewhere.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Well there you go.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
And you know, somebody said the other day something about
having coal in the stocking, and I said, look, I'm
from southern West Virginia.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
We value that.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
We wanted colon the stocking because col in the stockument
that dad was still working. That's that's that adds another
story for another time. I was doctor I was reading
an article and it had to do with the term
professional degree and maybe maybe some talk of some changes

(23:04):
coming in with that definition of professional degrees kind of
break that down for us.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Oh, you bet, it's a great question. There's been a
lot in the news lately about professional programs, and there's
a student loan category that we use that's called professional programs.
It's for graduate school only, so it's not about students
who are an undergraduate, which is everybody at Bridge Valley,
so it doesn't affect my Bridge Valley students. But the

(23:30):
professional program definition is tied to how much the federal
government will will give somebody in student loans. So you
may have heard about the student loan crisis and how
much money has been out there and that people are
struggling to repay it. And one of the things that
the government has recognized is that they up to this
point have went a whole lot of money to people

(23:52):
who are going into programs where you could never reasonably
expect to repay it. We don't want eighty year old
people who are still repaying their student loans, and so
professional programs has been a category that they've dialed back
on and said only people who are going into dentistry
or being lawyers or doctors can take out more than

(24:12):
two hundred thousand dollars in federal student loans. That programs
like social work, where we expect that your starting wage,
even with the graduate school degree is going to be
like sixty or seventy thousand dollars, shouldn't borrow that much.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
And you know, this has been a debate, and I
don't want to turn this into a political discussion or
anything like that, but this actually I was listening to
at Snike on the on the Metro News morning show
with the Chris Lawrence in the Morning News last hour,
and he was talking about that paying back student loans,
and it's been a hot button topic doctor Saxuell the last.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Couple of last couple of years.

Speaker 8 (24:47):
It's true, and our student loan debt as a nation
is tremendous. Most of it is from graduate student loans.
So when you talk about people going to graduate school,
but it is a it's a national conversation. And I
do think the professional programs conversation is confused some people
because so for example, nursing isn't in the category where

(25:08):
you can take out those maximum loan limits of course,
nursing as a professional program. It just doesn't meet that
specific definition for loans.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
I got you, I'll catcha and you know it is
again I'm going down a rabbit hole here that I hope,
I hope that you're comfortable with and if not, then
you can just do you know, we'll talk about snow
or something. But this discussion, this national discussion on student
loans has been has been such an issue.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
And one of the things.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
That I really like about about Bridge Valley and other
institutions similar to yours is that you know, you're the
employers are waiting on you as soon as you graduate.
In many cases at Bridge Valley they're waiting on you
before you graduate, and so you can if you got
if you do have to pay something back, you can
get right to it.

Speaker 8 (25:53):
That's right. Well, so fewer than one out of four
of our students take loans at all. Most of our
students don't need to take loans, so that we're really
proud of that. But some of our students do need to.
They want to go to school full time. It doesn't
make sense to try and juggle, you know, their fast
food job along with school and loans are appropriate for
some people. But what I've told my own family, what

(26:13):
I have told my own god kids who are in college,
is that the total amount you borrow for school shouldn't
be more than you expect to make in your first
year out. So if you're looking at a profession where
you're probably going to make sixty thousand dollars, you shouldn't
borrow more than sixty thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (26:29):
It would have been nice had somebody been having this conversation,
you know, like ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Perhaps you were, but you weren't here at the time,
so but it would have And I don't mean that
aimed toward Bridge Valley.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
I mean because you said, like less than one percent
of your students are taking loans anyway, But I mean
in general, if somebody would have been part of that
little bit of wisdom on our youngsters, and I say
that meaning college aged kids, maybe we wouldn't be in
the situation that we're in now. But that's an editorial comment.
I don't expect you to weigh in on that.

Speaker 8 (26:56):
It's good for whole families to know, because college going
is a whole family conversation. And so if you're a
grandfather or you're a grandmother and you're thinking about how
to help your grandkids go to college, reminding the entire
family that, yes, college is wonderful and you experience higher
earnings almost always when you've gone to college, and we
want people to do that. You don't want to borrow

(27:18):
so much that it puts you underwater. And so the
way you sort of make that decision is what job
am I likely to get? And if the job that
you're looking at or you're not sure, you're studying an
area that's sort of not a clear career path, then
you really don't want to borrow that much money for
it because you want to have a clear sense if
you're going to be able to pay it back.

Speaker 6 (27:37):
Doctor Casey Sacks, Abridge Valley, It's always a pleasure to
talk to you on the show. Where can people learn more?

Speaker 8 (27:42):
Bridge Valley dot Edu.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
All right, be safe, we'll talk soon. Thanks a lot, Bye, Dave.

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Speaker 6 (30:33):
Twenty three minutes away from ten on a somewhat snowy
It's this I say it snowy Tuesday morning has a
snowed in about twelve hours or so, but I will
tell you that the side roads are still extremely slick.
So if you are going to be traveled in at
interstates in good shape. I came in around seven ish

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this morning, six forty five to seven interstates in good shape.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Some of the.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Exits are a little dicey.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
The one coming off the Interstate on Virginia Street into
Charleston was will slick. But that's gonna be that way
for a while. But temperatures are going to warm up
and hopefully we'll get a little bit of a break
in some of this stuff going onto the back roads
as well. As I mentioned earlier, our interstate commute was fine.
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may want to check that out. I want to welcome
to the show now Kenawa County School Superintendent, Doctor Paula
Potter and doctor Potter.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Good morning and welcome to the show.

Speaker 13 (32:00):
Good morning, thank you, thank you for being here.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
No school today for Kenawa County. An actual snow day.

Speaker 6 (32:05):
But I want to go back to yesterday, though quite
and quite frankly, with all due respect to our meteorological folks,
many of whom are good friends of mine, and one
of those on TV last night said, hey, we.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Kind of misjudged it.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
It happens at least as far as the amount of
snow that we got. We simply got more most people
would think than we thought we would. And it really
puts school systems in a very precarious position, because you know,
you're darned if you do, and you're darned if you
don't talk about what goes into making the decisions about school,

(32:36):
from delays to early dismissals to closing, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
What goes into those decisions.

Speaker 13 (32:41):
Well, first of all, you know a lot of people
commented yesterday. Of course, a lot of people would like
to question my ability to make a decision for school,
to have school or not school. We did miss it yesterday.
We did follow weather reports. The weather report did say
it was going to snow, They did say the temperature
would drop, but all of that was estimated to happen

(33:03):
at noon or later. Obviously it happened sooner, and our
Transportation Department director, myself, bus drivers. At the time school started,
it was clear to go. The weather report did still
say it was going to be in the afternoon, so
we discussed having school and if it did start snowing
around noon, talk about a two hour early dismissal. However,

(33:25):
it all started early. Not blaming anyone. Let's have a
magic ball. But what we do is we listen to
weather reports from the National Weather Service at eight o'clock
at night when they have it, and we try to
make the best decision. The last couple of times we've
made those decisions, the snow has been predicted to start
early in the morning, perhaps or after school starts. It

(33:47):
makes the decision a little more difficult. I do like
to remind everyone if you do live in an area
or has started snowing and you don't feel it safe
for you or your child to go out, you should
stay home. We're trying to do the best we can.
We try to make safety calls. But again I will
own yesterday and you know, as I told other, people

(34:11):
will just try to do better.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
When you say that for parents that they don't feel
it's safe that they live in an area that's not
been treated or you know of a hollow or back
road or whatever. Does how does if there is school
and parents opt to keep their kids home. And I'm
speaking as a non parent here, so you're going to
have to educate me, how does that work? As far
as attendance policies correct.

Speaker 13 (34:32):
So we do have strict attendance policies. West Virginia Code
requires that we take attendance once a student reaches fifteen
unexcused absences. In code, we're supposed to file paperwork at
madrist A court for our accountability measures. If a student
miss the school, it counts against us regardless of the situation. However,

(34:53):
we can code and absence that reflects transportation or web
the related issues. And so while we appreciate parents following
our guide, we know it's most important for students to
be in school to learn, but we don't expect that
at the safety of anyone. So if they could call

(35:14):
the school, we could code their absence, you know, for
weather related events. I don't ever think we're going to
get to fifteen of those that would require someone to
go to court, but you know, when those situations arise,
we have to work with the family's individual to find
out what's happening and how we can improve attendance if needed.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
I wonder and again we're talking with doctor Paula Potter,
Superdend Kenton County Schools. In this world of remote learning
that really kicked in, you know, unfortunately with COVID a
couple of years ago. If a maybe I'm just throwing
out scenarios here that are on realistic, but if a
if a person or parent has a child that is
in an area that it's simply they don't deem that
it's safe to go to school, is there a remote

(35:55):
learning option for that child that day or they just
could There.

Speaker 13 (35:57):
Could be it depends on if the teacher has uploaded
or not. But we do provide makeup work for students.
If something would happen and the teacher didn't have it updated,
or they're changing units, or whatever the issue may be.
They might be in the middle of a project. If
the parent calls the school, we can make sure that
we provide them makeup work so that they are caught

(36:18):
right back up to where they need to be.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
And I think sometimes and this is not exclusive to
Kanawa County, this is just our society today and we
can go on a you know, we can spend two
or three days talking about this social media. In many cases,
it's the best thing that happened to us, and it's
the worst thing that.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Happened to us.

Speaker 13 (36:33):
Yeah, I mean, you know it is. It is disheartening sometimes.
I think most people can attribute to that. If you
work in any type of field, that people can, I
don't know, complain about your decision making. Again, I am
not perfect. We aren't perfect. We try to, you know,

(36:53):
be the best that we can, but that isn't good
enough many times. But I am thankful that I know
what was hurt yesterday, We did have some buses that
went into some ditches on the roads. Thankfully, the bus
drivers nor the students were hurt, and so we are
thankful for that. We are thankful that the students did
get home in time, even though we made the decision

(37:16):
to have school yesterday. But again, we just go off
of the weather report. We understand that all isn't you know,
people did say, well, it did say that it was
going to snow. It did. We had a little bit
more information when it was supposed to start, and you know,
had heard a few weather people who I'm good friends
with do say, just kind of missed the mark. We

(37:37):
aren't Mother Nature. I had people call to complain that
their roads are never treated, and I hate that for people.
But we have a huge county. Our transportation department does
excellent work. They went out as early as three o'clock
in the morning on days that there's questionable weather and
drive all of our routes throughout the entire county, especially

(37:57):
the ones that don't have that we do know are
typically trouble areas, and that's how we base our decision.
We don't just base a decision off of being in Charleston.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
We talked about the bus treke level was going to
be one of the things I was going to ask
you because I saw some pictures floating around social media,
as I'm sure you did well, and some were reported
probably by the news organizations as well. So you're saying
that there were a few bus tricks approximately how many I.

Speaker 13 (38:24):
Believe there were three that I don't want to make
that efficient. That's right, Transportation Director. I do know a
three specifically, and they weren't considered really. I mean, it
was in a ditch, but again, you know, just kind
of slid to the side of the road and had
to be pulled out, which is something that we never
want to have happened. I'm sure that it was you know,
disheartening for students that were on the bus. Our transportation

(38:46):
department very quickly made phone calls to parents of the
students on the bus to let them know that they
were safe, but there would be some delay, you know,
in getting them home. But again, everybody was delivered home safely.
Even though we many people felt we should have canceled school,
and probably should have in hindsight, because it did come

(39:09):
quicker and much more than we expected. I did make
the decision yesterday after the two hour delay, not to
have school today because the temperatures weren't supposed to be
about freezing until noon. I think now that's switched to
maybe nine thirty or ten. So I'm sure there'll be
questions of why we canceled it today.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
Always always, I mean, look at how many times, how
many times have you been in education for a while,
and I've been in media for you know, for for
some time. How many times have school systems said, okay,
we're not going to have school, trying to be you know,
an abundance of caution and then it doesn't. It's not
as bad, you know, as what you thought. And then
you're all looking at each other going, you know, well,

(39:48):
you know we could have had school today. I mean,
you're simply not going to please everybody. But I also
understand too that you understand as a that you know,
when parents are trying to make decisions, and it's not
just about we don't live in an age anymore where
dad goes off to work and mom stays home and
he raises the kids. So I mean, everybody's got daycare issues.
They've got Okay, my kid gets out, what am I

(40:09):
going to do? One of our employees here yesterday their
their school dismissed early, and so you know, this person
was scrambling around yesterday trying to figure out what they
were going to do. This was actually a private school,
but they were trying to scramble around what they were
going to do.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
So, but you can.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Appreciate it does put everybody in a a very in
a very bad position.

Speaker 13 (40:29):
And for as many complaints that we have, I also
received calls, you know, from the from people that are
at work and do need us because they don't have
another means for their child. We also really look after
it's been on a long break or over a weekend.
You know, many of our students don't receive hot meals
at home or three meals a day, or the last

(40:51):
hot meal they had might have been on Friday at school,
so we weigh in a lot of issues for students. Again,
I don't want to take light of the fact that
people were upset feeling that I put their child's safety
at danger yesterday. That was never our intent. I think
it did happen, but we would never make a decision
just to have school and not take into consideration someone's safety.

(41:14):
That would never ever cross my mind. That did happen yesterday,
and I've apologized profusely for that. But again, we go
off of weather reports, and you know, that's just the
best that we can do. And I know that doesn't
meet everyone's needs, it doesn't check everyone's boxes. But I
do try to remind people even though we certainly appreciate

(41:35):
you making the taking the importance of getting your children
to school every day, if it isn't safe for you
to do that, we recognize your ability to make that
decision as a parent. We want to work together with
people not in direct conflict with anybody we had.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
A text here.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
This might make you feel good. So doctor Potter can
rest assured. No one is questioning why school was canceled today.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
So there you go there, Oh, well.

Speaker 13 (41:59):
Good, No one's questioning one in a row that I
might frame it.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I did.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
I'll take a picture of the of the text and
they'll send it to you. I didn't want to ask
a question because you and then we'll let you go.
Know you're busy, book, But but you brought up something
about the about the food aspect of it, and and
tragically you are You are right, many of these kids
that's the only hot meal that they are going to get. Now,
does that mean that you jeopardize their life and everyone

(42:27):
else to get them there? No, absolutely, But but it's
something I think that has to be has to weigh
into the equation.

Speaker 13 (42:32):
One well, factors exactly. We have weather reports, national weather reports,
the transportation departments out driving the routes the way you know,
and our students and their families, uh emails from families
saying they're working, they have nowhere else to send their kids.
There's many factors that play into it. But again I
hope people understand. I know not everyone knows me, but

(42:54):
I would never intentionally make a decision to harm anyone
or put their safety at risk. I know that seems
counterproductive to what happened yesterday, but my intent was not
to have school so that somebody's safety was in danger
when they left.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
And of course you have all these internet you know,
conspiracies and so and it's not just Kanawa County. I mean,
it goes all he goes all over the country, I'm sure.
But we had like somebody that said something about does
Knaw County Schools have an internal policy against calling for
snow days?

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Obviously you don't, because you just did.

Speaker 13 (43:27):
Correct, you know, we don't. You know, I've had some
former students that will make comments, you know, I'm never
going to call off school. Just I think they're joking
about it. Because I am typically very consistent and have
high expectations. I operated that way when I was a principal.
But that to say that I'm never going to have

(43:48):
a snow day is not the case. I have made
comments We're going to go to school when we can
go to school. That's been construed to me saying we're
never going to have a snow day, or if I
can drive to work. Other people can drive to work.
I've never said that. I've said I can park at
the bottom of my driveway so that I can get
to work if I need to get to work. But again,

(44:10):
I understand people's frustration. Like you said, if people were
working yesterday and they had to leave work to get
their child, if they were put in any harm's way,
I do understand everyone's frustration. No one likes to feel unsafe,
and again, all I can do is apologize for that.
We will try to do better in the future and

(44:31):
move forward.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Doctor Paula Potter, We're going to leave you with this.
Give me about thirty seconds. Give me some good news
from Kanawh County school I know we got a lot.
Give me some landed on a positive note.

Speaker 13 (44:41):
Yeah, we have some good news. Kanawh County Schools did
have a nitro football team within the state football championship
just recently. We also had a Hoover girls volleyball team
who won volleyball. And we have our fall sports that
are starting. And most importantly, our students are getting ready
to end their first semester of school. They're getting ready

(45:03):
for their mid semester assessments and all of the students
have been and teachers have been working so hard to
prepare for that so that we can show that students
are growing academically since the beginning of the school year.
So we're really proud of just everything everyone is doing,
and we'd like to see everybody in rolling in Kanawk
County Schools.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
Doctor PAULA Potter, Superintendent of Kanah County Schools, I appreciate
you being here.

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Thanks a lot. Ye have a great day you as well.

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Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 6 (48:03):
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you know. And it's it's not the one of the
great things. One of the things me and a weather

(48:45):
geek I will say this is it's still from time
to time mother nature gonna do what mother nature gonna do,
and nearly and this again is not a slam on
our folks with the weather Service or neither local you know,
TV meteorologist or the app on your phone or whatever.
They simply got it wrong yesterday. And it happens from
time to time. We live in an age where we

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have the top of the line technology to predict what
things are gonna happen, and then sometimes they don't. And
I feel for these school systems for trying to make
a decision that's going to keep kids and others safe,
but also try to make everybody happy. And when you
add in social media, it's even worse. And like in

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Putnam County yesterday, they made the decision to not dismiss early,
to keep the kids in school, and they were getting
blistered yesterday because and again they went off what the
weather report said. The weather report said that they were
better off in school at let's just say three o'clock
than what they would have been dismissing them. And it
turns out that was wrong, and there was some there

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was some reported bus accidents in Putnam County yesterday as well.
They also canceled school today. So you're not gonna get
it right. One of the things, though, I will say
yesterday is I was reading some of these comments online
and they were in Putnam County specifically, a county school
system that has always prided itself on discipline and so

(50:13):
on and so forth. And look, I've been in the
schools over there doing various things. They do a great
job with the schools there. The number of students that
were commenting, let us go home, Uh, aren't you supposed
to be in school. Aren't you supposed to be in
class with your phone up? And you know this wasn't
mom and Dad's because look at their names, you know,

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I mean they weren't named you know, the old people
named like Dave. You know, I mean they all had
young people were the students were commenting, we need to
go home.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Here's some idea. Put the phone up, and why do
you hear the phone out to begin with? In school?

Speaker 6 (50:49):
But you know, again, it's a very difficult decision for
these school systems, and they're not going to get it
right every time, and yesterday it was one of those times.
And I commend doctor Paula Potter for saying as such.
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four nine three five five zero zero eight. Tex says, Dave,

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I went shopping this weekend. Couldn't believe the prices on
everything from household goods to clothing. We already knew food
was off the rails, but this was a shock.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
As a texture. Tex says. Let me see here.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
Tex says, I've got some farmers are waking up or
leave to beginning welfare checks to keep their businesses afloat
too bad. Farmers will continue to support the person and
the policies that got them there in the first place. Texas,
it seems PIA is going to be raised this year,
and a couple of more raised this year in a
couple more years, then a couple more years after that,
ending with seven percent raised on prices. Hopefully there will

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be some pay raises in those years. Tex says weather reports.
Can people read radars? There are so many options out there,
text says Dave. Before people vote next year, please check
the facts on West Virginia's economy. It's gotten worse than
the last thirteen years before. Affordability for utilities and food

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and low wages.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
All right, we gotta go.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
Thank you so much for my guest today, doctor Casey Sachs,
Folks from the Clay Center, Sierra are a good friend,
and doctor Paula Potter from Knawa County Schools as well.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
DJ Meadows and Wilson coming up with talk.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Line on the way at ten o six. I'm gonna
make an appearance on talk Line today. They asked me
to come in, so I'll be in around I think
ten thirty or so. I'll be back later today with
Metro News, Midday with thirteen News and Tonight Live anchor
Amanda Baron, Howard Vice, Selango Law. And then I will
see you on this show tomorrow. My senior producer, Ryan Nicholson,
thank you so much taking easy, especially on those back
roads out there and the side roads and your driveways

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as well. We'll see you later till then, have fun
and love somebody.

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