Bye Bye Ronna! Former Congressman George Santos on The David Pollack Show

Former Congressman George Santos joins The David Pollack Show to discuss Ronna McDaniels finally stepping down as the GOP Chairwoman.

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Episode Transcript

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George, why don't we just burnit down? Why don't we do this
in a year? Like David,calm down, give it the system time
to work. You were always reasonable, You always articulated your point. We
need more people in Washington like you, and we need you back in Washington
as soon as possible. So yeah, so thank you for being here,
and thank you for always being accessibleto people. And I'm proud to call
you a friend and I'm thrilled tohave you back here. And so we're

(00:23):
going to go through a bunch ofthings, right because I've talked about so
much already today and there's a lotto cover. I'm only on once a
week, and I always promise myaudience to catch them up on everything they
missed, and every week it seemslike I don't know if the world is
burning down or what, because somuch has happened. But we'll go through
I think the biggest ones first,and I think I didn't wake up today

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thinking this was going to be thebiggest one, because I do want to
talk about that murdered Georgia student becauseof our open border. But first,
the thing that happened today and weknew it was coming, and the title
of the show, Bye Bye,Rona. And by the way, every
time I say that, that's whatI had him. You know what I'm
saying. So I had that inmy head and so you stop stop stop

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stop in your head, isn't it? I hate you? Bye bye?
Do something. Her picture was justup on the screen. If it could
come back up, it'd be greatbecause I want to draw. Really,
it wouldn't be great, but we'lldo it for you. Look at this.
This is Rona McDaniel when she walksinto the DNC said the RNC,
pardon me, oh whatever, samething, right, Tomato tomato. But

(01:34):
if you take a picture of whatshe looks like, now there is one
thing we can all agree on.She slightly improved her image throughout this process
at the expense of the RNC andthe GOP donors. But it is good
ridden Taramna Romney McDaniel, good riddans. We're done. Let's move forwards.
His pics. I'm not thrilled withone of them, but you know what,

(01:57):
let's just go forward. It's aboutwinning, and Rada is a proven
loser. Absolutely, she's a provenloser. I mean, what did she
win? Essentially Trump won and thenshe assumed the position and we haven't won
since she's never won. He lostKentucky. Yeah, and the red wave

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that wasn't that was supposed to beour year to pick up all these seats.
We had a trickle. It wasa red trickle and a red wave
in New York, David, inall fairness, but that's also thanks to
leez Eldon's great gubnatorial campaign and quitefrankly, yourssell well well, yeah,
but my campaign was derived from agreat campaign Les Elden had, And I
know, if people want to talkabout look, I did great in my

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district. I'm very proud of whatI did. I won by eight and
a half points of district that JoeBiden won by eight So that's a sixteen
and a half point swing in theopposite direction. It's sad to see it
swing right back into where it hasa poor candidate quality and because of the
absolute witch hunt against me. Buthere's a reality, McDaniel. Bard knew
no participation trophy in the New Yorkvictories. That was all done by us

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in New York. I'm not sayingNew York's the best, We're probably the
most colossal screw up in the entirecountry when it comes to policies and politics.
But you know what, the peoplehad had just about enough where forty
seven percent of New Yorkers voted forLeezelden to be governor. And if it
wasn't for that four hundred thousand peoplewho migrated from New York to Florida due

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to the pandemic and the lockdowns andthe draconian arbitrary laws that were passed forward
by Cuomo and then upheld by cocolwe would have probably had Leezelden. Because
remember ron De Santis grew his votershare by about five hundred thousand voters.
One can argue four hundred of thosefive hundred thousands were all New Yorkers who

(03:51):
left New York. Okay, sowe lost a very big chunk and voting
block of Republicans in New York.But look, the Red Way never happened
because we couldn't get Ronald McDaniel tobe serious about funding. We couldn't get
Ronald McDaniel serious about literally allowing someof the rhinos and the establishment creatures to
be primaried appropriately. So it resultedin loss after loss after loss. I'll

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give you an example I no,you probably don't think he's popular. But
here's a guy that was the onlyguy that can win his seat. And
then we allow the Democrats to interferewith the process of the election in Michigan,
and then we ended up losing PeterMeyer. Yes, he voted to
impeach Trump. That was a veryfoolish vote to take. He also was

(04:35):
filling in the shoes of Justin Amash, who was also a very interesting politician.
Let's just leave it at that,right, But the reality is is
very simple. Is Ronal McDaniel.Bear's absolute no credit to any loss or
we had. All she has isall the losses. So Rana carry all

(04:57):
these l's. They're gonna be heavy, But you're a loser thanks from our
radio audience appreciates not having a bleepor But I'll tell you this. And
it wasn't just the red wave.That wasn't that she lost you. I
think it was the Supreme Court inMichigan. I believe we lost because of
her. The mayorship right Wisconsin,That's right, it was Wisconsin, the

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mayor's race in Jacksonville. There wasa few other special elections, little notorial
race in Kentucky, in Kentucky.Yeah, absolutely lucky. Do you know
how many times you New York Ijoke around. I'm like, look,
I'm a Republican. I'm a NewYork Republican. I'm not a Kentucky Alabama
Republicans can't go that much over here. Well, Kentucky has a Democrat governor

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because Rona McDaniel was incompetent, absolutelyright. And you know, and if
it wasn't for Scott Presler running aroundthe country working his butt off, we
probably would have lost a few more. I mean Louisiana. It was probably
all Scott Presler, not RONI McDaniel. Now a lot Presler to be the
next year. And look, Ilove Scott Presler. I consider him a
good personal friend. I think Idon't know if Scott necessarily wants to be

(05:59):
GOP. I think why not considerhim for it? He is doing the
real work. It seems that Trumphas tapped Michael Wattley. I believe the
I think he's the chair of theNorth Carolina GOP, and he seems to
have some establishment ties and Bush ties. What's your thought about Michael replacing Rana?
Look, I love Donald Trump.I think he's great. I think

(06:21):
it's fantastic, best president of mylifetime, and I'll say that I think
for a very long time. Trumpstill fails on certain occasions because of the
people he surrounds himself with. Tothe likes of Brian Jack and so on,
Michael Wattley is Ronna McDaniel in anempty suit. I think it's a

(06:42):
bad move. I think the presidentshould branch out to more conservative populist folks
of the Bush Romney quilt strand ofthe Republican Party. I love the President.
I have an undying support for him, but I don't agree with him
one hundred percent of the time.And that's okay, right, that's just

(07:04):
part of how this is played.But I think Michael Lottley is a mistake.
I think we should have somebody therethat's relatable, charismatic, and that
can fundraise, and I don't thinkthat is what Michael Wottley is. I
think he'd be better off not justoffering Laura Trump up as a co chair,
but just straight up as chair ofthe RNC. I think that would

(07:25):
be a smarter move. I thinkbringing in somebody like Harmie Dillon is a
smarter move. Having Scott Presler inthe rn C is almost at this point
essential not his chair, but asthe grassroots national grass roots director. That
is what he needs to do.That is where his bread and butter is.
Because Scott's a personal friend, andI can say the one thing Scott's

(07:45):
not good at is asking people formoney. And if you're going to be
the r and C, this iswhere we are. We are losing this
race on fundraising because of failed leadership. I don't think Wottley is the guy,
but I will leave the powers thatbe to you know, make their
own decisions. And then essentially,if if Whattley makes his own bet Soley

(08:07):
makes his own bed, and thenwe'll see him make his own We'll see
him make his own bed, andhopefully the president will have a change of
heart and stop listening to people ofthe likes of Brian Jack. Yeah,
you know, I have the similarconcerns with Wallee. You know, I
don't like anybody's tied to the bushes. I don't like anybody that's part of
the establishment. We're working so hardto replace the establishment, and now we're

(08:28):
basically replacing establishment with establishment. Ido like that he put Laura Trump.
I always feel like in New York. I want I say Laura about the
Lara like Flora Lara, La La, But I feel like I have to
as a Floridian, not even fromNew York. I know, but you
have. But I think it makessense to make her vice chair because you

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know, anytime Waltley maybe steps outof line, he's like, eh,
maybe you should step down. Butonce, but it's not up to him,
and it's not up to Trump oncehe assumes that position. We saw
what happened with Rana. Once youget the gops all get together, they
kept re electing her to their decisionone hundred and what is it, one
hundred and eighty six people or howevermany one hundred and sixty eight member governing
body they have that have to decideon whether or not, and of course

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Trump gets to steer the pick.But you know, and I agree about
Scott Presler. I think he shouldhave a very senior role in the GOP.
He understands how to win elections,and his grassroots efforts have to be
in a implemented nationally. I dothink that Scott excels in what he's doing,
and putting him in that swampy,nasty position of fundraising I think would
actually limit his effectiveness. I thinkhe's much more effective teaching people how to

(09:35):
win. And I tell you,yeah, to your point, Scott was
a big part of my campaign.Yeah, a big part of the grassroots
or all my campaign to win toact on teers. So yes, Scott
is essential. Scott Pressler is anessential part of the GOP agreed and the
fact that Ron McDaniel failed to acknowledgeit is just atrocious. But then look,
let's let's let's bring it. Let'slet's talk about this in the open.

(09:58):
Because I think I'm probably the mostqualified person to say this. We
still stem from a little issue intheir party, and that's acceptance in homophobia.
I'm not saying it's widespread, butI think that there are reservations just
because Scott's gay. Now, letme say this very clear. I've seen
Scott go into rooms with the Evangelicals, the Christians, the Jews and everyone,

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all the religious dominations, and hethrives, He does very well.
Nobody gives a flying you know whatbleep of what his sexual orientation is.
You know what, Scott's a gentleman, Scott's a great man, and I
think we need to incorporate him intothe GOP moving forward, for sure,

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especially at that grassroots level. It'shard to see somebody that can activate grassroots
like Scott. He's the best thereis. I've learned a tremendous amount from
him from the day I met him, and now I've got to know him
pretty well. And nobody is betterat organizing grassroots than Scott Presler. But
you're right, it does speak toman. I could talk to you all
day. I'm trying to stay ontopic because there's so much to get through,
but you make me think of things. But I mean, there's this

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is an issue with the GOP ingeneral, like we're trying. We've talked
about this. We're trying to attractyoung people to our movement. We're trying
to attract new people to the movement, and we keep showcasing this old fuddy
duddy can't quite figure out how tobe cool or mainstream component. And that's
all people see. And what you'vearticulated about the homophobic element of the GOP,

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there's an anti Semitic element and aracist element of the GOP. A
little admit that too. I mean, you know, and I right,
but we have to call that outtoo as Republicans. One of the biggest
hate posts I've ever And when Isaid, by the way, there was
because there was a black Conservative thatgot attacked by a racist component that identifies

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with the Republican Party. I won'tsay they're part of the Republican Party,
but they're saying horrible things. AndI questioned why conservative Rob Smith? Yeah,
yeah, Rob's a friend. Soyou saw what happened in Arizona,
right, absolute right? And thenwe need to call we need to say
the cancer's name. You know why, David, Because the more we say

(12:05):
the cancer's name, the more weeradicated. And it's and it's unfortunate because
Nick flintis has a large following ofreally good conservative kids, but they think
that Nick is the end all beall. I have nothing against them.
They've come after me because I wentafter Nick before. But Nick is a
rabbit anti semi and he he's xenophobic, he's homophobic, he's racist. I

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mean, what are we doing.We can't turn a blind eye to that
kind of behavior and make it feelacceptable. So it's good. Look,
I'm not trying to alienate Nick Flintas his crew. I'm just trying to
tell them like, look, Nickmight be a guys might like him,
but some of the stuff he saysis just wrong. This isn't about being
conservative. Being conservative has nothing todo with being anti semitic. Being conservative
has nothing to do with being homophobic. Being conservative has nothing to do with

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being racist. Those things are justbad things to be period. You don't
have to be one or any ofthose things in order to be a conservative.
Do you know what being a conservativemeans? Somebody who believes in conserving
our country, somebody who believes infiscal responsibility and for leaving a better country
off for them. For the Nickpoint, as followers, who is the
next generation of leaderships of this country, we're fighting as conservatives to leave view

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a better country than we actually gotright because at the end of the day,
millennials got a short change by Genxers and boomers, and we're here
juggling the catastrophe that is that's beenplaced on our generations in order to leave
it forward to gen zers in abetter position as humanly possible. That's why
I fight, and I'm a conservative, But you guys don't help the movement

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following somebody who is taking down apath that is dark and unacceptable. We
do not do racism in America.We do not do homophobia America. We
do do not do anti Semitism.We do not do discrimination in this country.
This country was built on resolving allthese problems of the past. That

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is why our past is not pretty. It is dark, and that is
why I like to keep it aliveto serve as a reminder to never repeat
itself again. That's why every timesomebody protests a statue, no matter how
penus that person is, it isa great reminder to remind us where we
come from, where we are,and where we should never go back.

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And that is what we should betelling the people who follow folks like nit
find this. Yeah, you know, I agree with you. And when
I saw that, I was sickened. I actually posted it. I said,
this is disgusting. I said,it's not it's disgusting what they said.
I said. But the worst partabout this video is this was in
Arizona during a turning point conference.But it was during a turning point conference

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and the place is filled with conservatives, and how many conservatives kick those anti
Semitic racists out of the room andsaid this is this isn't acceptable. Zero.
And that was the point I madein my post, and I got
a lot of hate for it.Trust me, this said some horrible things
to me, and my block buttongot busy. But the thing is,
you know, if we're not wegive people crap about not standing up.

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You know, in New York,if an old lady's getting attacked by a
thug, they're like, why iseverybody just standing there filming it. I
have the same question for the socalled conservatives in Arizona. If you see
people treating somebody horribly in the conservativemovement, even if you disagree on political
issues, I don't care. Thepoint is, if you see somebody being
treated that way, stand up anddo something. We're all the alpha males

(15:22):
there to say hey, that's notokay and pull them up, buy their
underwear, and throw them out todawn front door. Will Smith's style from
a fresh prince of bel air,like there should have been one after the
other flying out of the door thebar. I wasn't there, That's why.
But I mean, that's what weneed to do. And if we're
gonna make this party young again andbring new people into our movement, we

(15:43):
can't allow that behavior because young peoplesee that and look, young people still
are programmed a little bit differently.They grew up in different times than the
old Guard GOP, and even ourparty is evolving. Trump was the first
Republican president to be pro gay marriage, even Obama was against a marriage.
So we have to the party hasto change with the times and we can't

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speak differently than the young people we'retrying to attract to the party, and
we also have to look and evenyoung conservatives, these are people that want
to do better. They want tosee companies doing better, parties doing better.
They there's certain elements of the leftthat they expect. They expect things
to be even when it comes tothings like the environment doesn't necessarily mean climate

(16:27):
change legislation and the communism that goesalong with it. But they like to
see companies having a good public purpose. There's things we can learn and unfortunately,
too many times you see this partyfalling back on bad habits. That
makes people feel like it's uncool tobe a Republican and we need to do
a better job. I know thatwas a long tangent, but I think
that that was such an important conversationbecause George we need to get we need

(16:51):
to get better with with I guessreprogramming the way people think with respect to
the Party of yesteryear. We're anew party. And you look now with
people like Mark Clark in Chicago,they're trying to flip Chicago red because they
said that Democrats have abandoned black people. Right, But you talk to people
like Isaiah Washington and Mark Carter,they said the Republican Party is the party

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of black people, and they're takingthe damn party back. They've said it.
I mean, this is the newRepublican Party, is the party that
the Democrats wish they can attract.And we're doing it without identity politics.
We're doing it on issues, onpolicies, on good governing. Well,
that's something I will say that Ioffer people all the time, David,
Very simple, Okay. Democrats liketo do things based on race, ethnicity,

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and sexual orientation. Republicans like todo things for Americans. And guess
what Americans come in all shaped sizes, racial groups, ethnic groups, and
sexual orientations. And I say thisfor myself, I as a Republican.
Republican will never put bills out therethat are exclusionary and that are earmarked for

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specific groups. My duty and oathis to legislate for all, right,
and that is the goal. Now, one or two people might want to
call me out and say, well, you did a pro woman's bill,
you did a pro gay bill whilein Congress. Yes, the bill in
nature was a fiscal conservative bill bringingback money from the unit from the United
States from giving two foreign nations inthe form of foreign aid, and reappropriating

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that money here domestics and women rightsissues that we do struggle with in certain
parts of this country. And alsoto advance and amplify gay rights issues that
are non non politically denominated, butjust having more access to healthcare and issues
that are underlying in the gay communitythat need to be given some limelight and

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some funding. Instead of giving moneyto Yunganda, who literally give women zero
rights, they mutilate women's genitalia,and then on top of that will throw
homosexuals off the side of buildings.We should not be giving money to countries
like that. That is what mybills were intended to do. It was
to bring justice to the American peopleby clawing back their hard earned taxpayer dollars

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to the United States and focusing ithere in America and that's what we should
be doing. And that is whyI think Democrats are losing this battle within
the African American community because the AfricanAmerican community is sick and tired of being
allied to. They're sick and tiredof being given free in a pass all
sorts of bills opportunities zones, andthen they put the opportunity zones into less

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opportunit zones. I'll give an exampleSouth Florida's opportunities zone. David is in
Aventura. Please tell me what opportunityis going to come for Black Americans in
Aventura when you and I know thoseare predominantly Jewish areas and that is going
to benefit obviously, and not thatI don't want it to benefit my brothers
and sisters who are Jewish, butI do want to make it clear there
is no opportunity zone in Aventura forblack and African Americans. That is how

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they dog whistle African Americans into believingthey're doing things for them, when in
reality, they're setting them up forfailure to keep them on the Democratic plantation
of public assistance, because that's wherethey get to fear longer exceptionally well by
saying, if Republicans take over,you're all out in the streets. Well,
the reality is that's not true.When Republicans take over, your public

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housing becomes better. We fix yourboilers, we fix your heaters, we
fix your hot water. We giveyou back, We give you back the
ability to feel dignified and not tolive in infestations, in subhuman conditions that
you are being subjected to by Democrats. So to even think that they're Democrats

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with all these years got away withthis is just an atrocity. But I
think it's a great point that youbring that our friend Isaiah Washington, which
can't even believe I string the wordstogether, our friend Isaiah Washington, after
being a grace Anatomis fan for solong, doctor birth doctor. So look,

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the reality is is that this isa great victory for us, and
we need to keep going. Themore we expose the rot and the lies
in the deceit of the Democrat Partyand establishment that they do not do good
for the African American community just aswell as they don't do any good for
anyone, that's when we're gonna excel. This isn't about black or white.
This isn't about gay and straight andChristians. This is about Americans, and

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all of those things are American issues, and that's why the Republican Party should
focus on continuing to be inclusive.Big Tent. Donald Trump set the Big
Tent up, he pitched it open. I will give credit to former Speaker
McCarthy. I know you're very criticalof the former speaker, but he doubled
down on that, bought record women, record African Americans, and he under

(21:48):
his leadership, he elected the firstopenly gay Republican into the party. So
you got to give kudos to himbecause there was a level of investment that
took to do that. Now,Donald Trump pitched that tent, McCarthy did
somewhat part. We need to keepfurthering that tent to make sure that everybody
feels welcome. That's what the Republicansmission should be. You know, that's
actually a good segue because I wantto talk about Seapack just a little bit

(22:10):
too, because you talk about KevinMcCarthy, you talk about how he and
look, I don't think Kevin McCarthywas all bad. Kevin McCarthy suffered the
same fate as a lot of Republicans. Who get to Washington or get a
position. Kind of a good wayto lead in the seapack, because what
happens is you go to Washington,you get into the swamp, you eat
a few steak dinners, you getpitched by a few lobbyists, and you

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get treated really well, and allof a sudden, it becomes more important
to get committee assignments, to getthose dinners and to get those meetings and
get that influence than it does torepresent your people. And Kevin McCarthy was
elected on a series of promises,and I don't want to rehash all those,
but everybody remembers the debt ceiling,that the single subject spending bills,
closing the border, all these opportunities. He had to shut down the government

(22:56):
to get any one of those things, like Trump did in twenty sixteen to
get funding for the wall, ortwenty I think twenty eighteen to get funding
for the wall. But the ideais Kevin McCarthy didn't fulfill his promises and
as a result, Matt Gates executedwhat was in there part of the negotiation,
and that's hey, one person tovape, motion to vacate, and
it didn't. It passed and theDemocrats that he did deals with, one

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hundred percent of them voted to removehim. So whatever water under the bridge,
right. But that being said,I am about SEAPAC. Look,
I think Seapack's a great organization.I love going to Seapack. I had
a lot of fun in Orlando Seapack. So I go to the one in
Washington and the only Seapack I've everbeen to was the one in Orlando,

(23:38):
and it was a totally different energy. It was more of a grassroots energy,
kind of like this is how wechange things, different type of people.
And then you go to d Cand this was my first one.
It was totally different. It wasmore I don't want to call it stuffy,
but it was definitely more Washington E. It was more establishment E.
The people that were there were moreof the Washington establishment people. It was

(24:00):
less of the grassroots type people otherthan the day when Trump was speaking.
So I definitely noticed the difference betweenthe two. And so for me,
I'm thinking here, I'm like,here, we have this organization that has
been you know, a leader inconservatism, for the for the Republican Party,
and I feel like we're missing itthere. I feel like there's an

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opportunity new people to the movement andreally explain what conservatism is rather than what
I noticed was just a bunch ofred meat. It was like, hey
guys, for two days, we'regoing to tell you exactly what you already
believe and agree with, and we'regonna cheer really loud every time somebody says
exactly what you already agree with.I don't think anybody learned anything, and
I think that's where we can dobetter. And so I wanted to get

(24:42):
your take on on on seapack becauseI know you didn't make it this year,
but you've been to every other seapackand I know you've said that you
think it could be better, andI wanted to get your thoughts on that.
So, David, that's a greatpoint. And thank you for bringing
sea Pack up, because here here'ssomething that I've been a part of for
many years. Have been going toseapac for many years since I was a
much younger man, and it's frustratingto me. And I'll tell you why.

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Yes, I experienced the Hyatt versionin Orlando. I experienced a Roseen
Shingle Creek version in Orlando. Iexperience the Hilton Version in Dallas. I've
experienced seapack out of DC, andI've experienced seapack in DC. What you
saw entrance to the Rule, whatyou saw in DC this past week was
seapack. That is what seapack is. Seapack does not offer opportunities of education,

(25:32):
knowledge or growth. It is onebig party. I like to call
it match laps, rendezvous of hisfrat days and just hosting it for three
days in a row so you canhave his frat parties and his suites full
of liquor and booze and all hisfriends. And that's just what it is.
The problem is, the ACLU hasn'treally done anything at the grassroots level
that I believe is worthwhile. Iwill say this though, because I should

(25:55):
be complimentary as much as I amcritical. I think that there is one
true person in that organization that isa star because she's useful, she's intelligent
and articulates, and that's Mercedes.I mean, Mercedes should be actually running
away from everything seapack, everything matchLap and just doing her own thing.
That's how talented I believe she is. That's how effective she is. She's
engaging. You see her on newsMax. It engages you. You feel

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drawn to her because she is pleasant, she's caring, and she does teach
us things from time to time.Unfortunately for Seapack, it's a big ego
stroke for match Lap and for allhis friends. And then you know,
do I have friends who go thereand speak Yah, Matt Gates speaks there,
Carrie Lake speaks there. There's abunch of people I really like.
The President speaks there. I've seenhim speak there multiple times throughout the years.

(26:40):
I love that. But here's aproblem. I already know what they're
gonna say. I already agree witheverything they're gonna say. Why aren't we
bringing people to challenge and educate?Why aren't we doing workshops? Why instead
of having all these main events speakersand main stage speakers, why aren't we
doing workshops with these bigger speakers inbroken sessions so that we can be educating.
Seapack was created to actually bring youthfrom colleges and high schools to DC

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to be in touch with the nation'scapital, to understand the political process,
so that they can understand what itmeans to be conservative. But that is
no longer what it is. There'stons of party and boozing, and I
don't know. Underrange drinking has alwaysbeen an issue. This isn't what we
should be standing and setting forward asan example. So that's why I'm hypercritic
I have not gone to the lasttwo seapacks. People say, oh,
you've been banned. That is nottrue. I'm pretty sure Matt Slapp is

(27:30):
going to want to say that that'sthe case. But whatever, Matt,
you can do whatever makes you happyand sleep at night. But you and
I both know that that's not thecase. I didn't go last year because
it was a security risk for me. I was under a death threat,
which, by the way, justthe resolution of that that threat just came
forward and the American public now gotto see the verdict on that death threat.
It was a credible death threat thatwas taken very serious by a very

(27:52):
sick person, and that is whyI did not go into big spaces.
Hence I didn't go last year.This year, I made the elective choice
to not go just because I didn'tthink it was worthwhile, and I was
proven right when the rooms were empty. The President addressed a room that was
at maximum sixty five to seventy percentof its capacity, which is quite frankly
embarrassing because it's election year. That'swhen you should be having that room at

(28:15):
one hundred percent capacity and flow outrooms with people will tron. The fact
that we couldn't address and attract thatmany people to DC this year just shows
that the failure of SEAPAC continues toshow its hindsight and we are now stuck
with it for another year, foranother year of failure. We need effective
leadership coming out of the ACLU.That's why I've hold I've held it my

(28:36):
strong stance for a long time,but I believe match Lap should resign from
the ACLU. This isn't a personalattack on him. It is time to
move on. He's been the presidentfor far too long, and just like
Romina Romney is leaving the RNC,I think match Lap to take the key
and the note and jump ship andlet someone younger, more creative take over
the boat. That's just my true, honest odd on what I think SEAPAC

(28:57):
needs to do in order to advantsomething and grow our party. That's what
I love about you, George.You don't hold back, you share your
opinions, you make it known.You're honest, and I appreciate that.
Look. I could talk to youfor probably about another three hours. We
can have a marathon show, butI know you have to run. Thank
you so much for being on comingback. I would love for you to

(29:18):
be like our guy. Like youknow how, like every every talk show
host has their guy that comes on. They're like, oh good, he's
coming back. What's that? Ican be funny. I'm just I'm just
pulling your chain. I know.I love having you on the show.
I can't wait to have you back. You know, keep fighting. We

(29:41):
are. We'll see you back inCongress real soon, and we'll see you
back on the David Pollock Show realsoon. And thanks again for joining you
bet David, thank you for havingme and I look forward to being back
with you soon. I can't wait. I can't wait. Bye Sarah,
Bye bye. All right, guys, we're gonna take a quick break,
and when we come, we haveanother good friend of mine who is also

(30:02):
at Seapack. We're gonna get hertake on Seapack and learn a little bit
more there and also find out whatgreat work she's doing with Moms for America
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now joined by my good friend.I think she's vice president of Veterans for

(32:37):
Trump, and I think she's thedirector of She does something important with Moms
for American. She's going to tellyou about it right here in a second.
Ali Leg aka Ali Lege, Welcometo the David Pollackue. What do
you do with monster? I keepmessing up your title. I didn't want
to mistitle you. Oh it's fine, Hi David, nice to see you.
It's I'm the National director for CivicEngagement with Mom's Firm America. That's

(33:00):
right, National director of Civic Engagement. See, you do so many things.
I can't keep these all straight.You're working too hard at saving America
and I can't keep your resume lockedinto my head with all the official titles,
the Great Ali Lege and we willgo from there. That's the only
title that matters. So we're justat Seapack now. I just spoke to

(33:21):
George Santos. He shared his thoughtson Seapack, and you know, we
saw each other. We had alot of fun. You did a ton
of media hits promoting both organizations,and you did a great job with that.
We saw some great speakers and itwas a lot of fun. We
had a lot of fun. Thecamarader rue was great, and I wanted
to get your take. How didyou like seapack? How was it for

(33:42):
you? What were your experiences like? Tell me about seapack. I think
seapack is always a fun time,right. I do, however, believe
that in DC it's a little stuffy. You don't get as much of the
younger crowd. I feel like Ithink the best seapack was when it was
in Florida, and I believe therewas one in Texas, I believe in
twenty two that was pretty okay,but the one definitely in Orlando was the

(34:07):
best one by far that I've beento. For sure, DC is just
the energy's off. You feel likeyou're walking around and missed to see a
lot of the people that you know, you know, people that were around,
people we talked to all the time. The independent media as well as
a lot of the good news stationsthat are out there that are actually pushing
news to the people that actually needit instead of you know, the garbage

(34:29):
that we see on the corporate mediaside. So it was fun. I
had a lot of fun. Igot to speak on War Room with Steve
Bannon. He recognized me from myrun in twenty two for school Board.
I was on his show then andI walked up and he's like, hey,
Ali, how you doing. SoI got to speak to him for
a few minutes there. I dida Newsmax hit for veterans for Trump after

(34:52):
Trump's speech, which was pretty incredible, and just it was a great time.
We had a really good time forsure. Yeah, it definitely was
a lot of fun. I agreewith you, and that's what I said
I when I spoke to George,I felt like my first seapack experience was
Orlando, and I was like,man, this place is amazing. The
energy was amazing. It was energizedthe whole new generation almost of conservatives too

(35:15):
confidence and go out. I feltlike DC was a little more DCE.
Yeah, but I you know,I think the Schlaps identified that because they
do have contractual obligations to keep itin DC. But from what we heard
last night in a Twitter X spacewas apparently I think after twenty twenty six,
it's going to come back to Florida. Yeah, right, Orlando was

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my first one as well, Soyeah, I think that's where we met,
is it, Yes, it was, as a matter of fact,
Yeah, absolutely, So I dothink it's going to come back here eventually.
Yeah. There is something about DCthat once you get there, it's
more of the crowds different, youknow, And that's what makes seapack so
much fun as the people and theenergy and the speakers are fine. One
of the things I've said I saidto George before you came on also was

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I feel like I want to seea diverse vocation of the message. We
talked about last night on the Twitterx space. We talked about wakakn Brandon
Stock's walk Away Organization convention, andwe had so much fun. But in
all things we heard or maybe evenagree with, but it was cool to
hear them speak. And so Ithink what Seapeck. The difference for me
with Seapack and some of these otherconferences was it wasn't just all red meat

(36:21):
at waka kN like it was challengingthings. It was different. It was
experiences and Seapack it was speaker afterspeaker of saying things that of course we
agree with so I would like tosee, I think, in the future
having a little bit more diverse opinion, not so much negative. We don't
need a liberal up there talking.I mean they did. Look, they
had Toulsi Gabbard, you know,they had her, you know, so
it's not like they don't have nonyou know, super conservative speakers. But

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for the most part, it's justlike a parade of people that you've seen,
you know, as pundits on FoxNews say you see them all the
time. And I think to yourpoint, that is so important to have,
especially to re energize the new andthe new upcomers, right the ones
that are just getting their feet wetin politics or are just you know,
running for office for the first time. It's important for the hear a diverse

(37:07):
message, for sure. And that'swhat I love the most about walk Away.
When we were all there, whenwe came home and we did our
little debrief, we all were like, you know, this is the future
of the party. It was fun. It was you know, we had
speakers that were hanging out with attendeesand it wasn't stuffy. It wasn't you
know, access bound only access orVIP access only, like we were able

(37:27):
to just hang out with each other. And I think that was that was
that was, you know, areally good thing, and I agree,
I would like to see more ofan education piece with CEPAC, you know,
figure out how we can energize andeducate those that are looking for solutions.
We can talk about the problems allday long, right, but if
we're not trying to have conversations tofigure out what those solutions are and provide

(37:49):
action steps, plausible action steps tomove the needle to get things done,
to push our America First agenda sothat we can save our nation from tyranny.
So how so we can recognize whattyranny even looks like. I think
it's so important as well. Yeah, yeah, it did kind of rub
me a little bit, like especiallywhen that what was that prime minister lady
that was there, Oh, Ican't remember. She was a prime minister

(38:12):
for a month in England or something. She had like seventeen guys around her
and they were literally like it waslike a giant mob scene, like pushing
people out of the way. Itwas like their security kept puppet Carlson was
there and they kept calling him aprop which was which was very against mannequin
Americans, and it was you know, it was very uh, it was

(38:37):
kind of frustrating. And then theother thing is, you're right, it's
like there's tears of VIP there andit is. It doesn't you don't feel
like you don't feel like you're partof it. You feel like you're participating
in it. And it's really expensivetoo, for like the American especially for
you know, in times like thiswhere we're seeing you know, record inflation
because of the tyrannical leaders that wecurrently have occupying our White House in Congress

(39:00):
that can't get freaking job done whatthey're supposed to be doing. So to
even kind of really enjoy the time, because you have to spend on airfare,
you spend on you know, thehotel, whether it's at the Gaylord,
which is upwards of five hundred dollarsa night, or in other hotels
in the surrounding area are still youknow, three four hundred dollars a nights,

(39:20):
unless you have some kind of likegroup membership or something like that.
It's it's pretty expensive. And thenyou got to spend it on food and
all these things. And then theone thing that I didn't like was that
there were no like water stations,and then the water was like six dollars,
so I every time it was therewas jugs of water inside. And
we're all doing media hits and it'slike everyone's dying of thirst and you can't

(39:42):
even find No, there was water. I saw there was, Yes,
you just missed it. There waswater. It was constantly empty, like
what was going on? Maybe thatwas the fact. Yes, but I
did find water because I remember Idid a seven AM media hit and I'm
like, I just bought like eightdollars water, Oh my god. And
I see the jug, I'm like, son of fun. But yes,
and I was like, I'm gonnafill my bottle there later I never did.

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I just kept calling me the momof seapack because I was walking around
with my big giant first yea,all the water and all the things inside
of it, like I gotta makesure my boys are good, you know.
Yeah, you were like Mary Poppins. You were pulling out. You
pulled out a whole water cooler.At one point, you pulled out,
you pulled out a whole vending machineof different snacks that came out of the
purse. You set it down andthen you had the money in your purse

(40:24):
for us to pay the vending machineto get the snacks out. It was
I don't know how you carried allthat and your purse looked heavy. Look
I'm a mom, Okay, wehave to be prepared for all things.
So yeah, So speaking of moms, you you have that title that I
can't remember for Moms for America Directorof Outreach Engagement m goific engagement and taking

(40:45):
over the world. Tell me howthe house that's going for you, what
that entails, what you guys aredoing, what you're working on. Well,
it's going really good. We havewhat I have a couple of programs
that I'm running. We have schooldistrict Ambassadors, where we want one person
or several people in every boards ofthirteen thousand in our nation to properly petition

(41:07):
our school boards. And you dothat by understanding and knowing the proper roles
and responsibilities of those that are hiredat the district level and those that are
elected in order for you to properlypush forward student focused, academic enriched policies.
Right because, as we've seen overthe last several years, our school
boards and those that work at thedistrict do not have our students' best district,

(41:27):
best interest at heart or at mindswhen they're creating these policies or voting
on policies. And so we wantto encourage our parents and our families and
community members to be more civically engagedin that aspect because education is the foundation
of our nation. If we arenot properly educated on roles and responsibilities on
why liberty is so important here inAmerica and why sovereignty is important, we'll
lose it. We are always onegeneration away from losing this American experiment,

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and so it is a republic ifwe can keep it, and that if
we can keep it, part ismaking sure that we are educating the future
generation of America and why America isimportant. We also have another program called
our Teacher Protection Project, where wehelp teachers that walk away from their unions.

(42:12):
We give them different options and wesupply them with community support when they
decide to do that, when theydecide to blow the whistle on hiring,
the firing practices, when they blowthe whistle on curriculum that doesn't fit student
academic achievements for excellence right. Andwe also are trying to push forward it's
called the FCC Standards Bill. It'sthe Federal Communication Commissions Bill. Where if

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it can't be read on TV,and it can't be if you can't see
it on TV, and it can'tbe read on airways, then it shouldn't
be in our schools. Right,we have teachers and parents and community members
getting arrested or kicked out of schoolboards because they're reading a lot of the
pornographic reading material that is available forstudents in our public school libraries, which,

(42:57):
by the way, is considered curriculum. Anyone that tells you that the
curriculum they're lying to you, ithas to be approved by the school board
and approved by the librarians in orderfor those books to be put into the
public school library. So it isconsidered curriculum. And until we are able
to hold these people accountable for whatthey're doing by saying, look, if

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I can't put this display on TVin like an actor form, why are
my children allowed to read literary porn? It doesn't make any sense, right.
It's a felony, first of all, and it violates obscenity laws.
Now, the only reason why wehave exemptions for schools or why we can't
get rid of these get rid ofthese pornographic books in our school systems right

(43:40):
now. Is because in every singlestate we have obscenities laws, but there
are are exemptions for school boards.It says unless used for educational purposes.
Why, I don't know about you, but children do not need to learn
pornography that's not educational. It doesn'thelp them pass the SAT, doesn't help
them passive drivers tests like, itdoesn't help them pass any of their core

(44:05):
curriculum and set them up for lifeafter school unless they're unless we're trying to
set them up to be esports.And that's exactly what what this pornography is
doing to our children. And we'veseen that public comment doesn't work, which
is why we want to have schooldistrict ambassadors in every county, in every
school district, because we have toproperly petition our government the right way,
apply the proper pressure at the properpressure points in order to be politically respected,

(44:30):
right, and so that's what Ido. Mom's from America. You
are so good. Now, justa clarification. You said, I don't
know about you. You're using theroyal you like, I don't know what
you guys that not right personally,No, not you personally, but I
mean, I think honestly every parent. And this is what is so important
too, is that education is nota partisan issue. It's it's a non

(44:51):
partisan issue. Everybody can stand behindhaving our children properly educated on their core
curriculum. When you're learning about yourneighbor or your your you know, school
mate, that is counterintuitive to whatyou're supposed to be doing. It's counterintuitive.
It's the antithesis of what America isbuilt on. We are a melting
pot of all people, of allcultures, of all different skin tones.

(45:12):
And to teach children to have anideology that is opposite of that is not
American. It is actually communists andit comes from Maoism. That's how Mao
was able to control the youth.It was called the Red Guard, and
it was called agents of change.He had teachers that were in the schools
that indoctrinated children into his ideology,and then when they went home and their

(45:32):
parents didn't align with the ideology,the students would rat out their parents and
Mao's Red Guard would come in andtake the parents away, and then the
children would be a part of thestate. That's exactly what's happening when you
see parents that don't want to transitiontheir children because they don't believe in the
gender cult or you know what I'msaying. So we have states that are

(45:53):
trying to strip away is absolutely asinineto think about because parental rights used to
only be able to be taken awaythrough the judicial system by due process.
And what we're seeing with these stateswhen they're trying to usurp that, they're
circumventing the judicial process and due process, and it's unconstitutional in so many different

(46:14):
ways. But because we don't havean educated voter populace or an educated populace,
people don't understand how to fight backwhen they want to fight back.
But because of twenty twenty and whatwe saw in j six, people are
afraid to fight back because parents don'twant to be put in jail. They
don't want to be raided by theFBI and have guns drawn on them while
they're sleeping and their children are inthe room. They don't want that.

(46:37):
And so I think what is whatpeople need to understand is right now,
we have communists occupying our White House, and they are weaponizing our government against
the people to keep us quiet fromfighting back because they know that we outnumber
them. It says we the people, for the reason, for a reason
at the very top of our constant. If we are too afraid to stand
on principle that we are a freenation, we are a sovereign people,

(47:00):
then they win and we have tofigure out what are we willing to sacrifice
for liberty. Liberty is not free. It requires a very significant level of
sacrifice. I mean, you canask any of you can go back and
watch any of the not watch,but listen or read to any of our
founding fathers, whether it's their lettersor that they sent back and forth to

(47:22):
their wives or back and forth toeach other. They were all very young,
and they were all very nervous aboutwhat they were doing. But they
signed their names on that Declaration ofIndependence anyway, knowing that they could die.
That is the level of sacrifice.And when we have our military and
our first responders who have taken thesame oath our elected representatives have, which

(47:43):
is to uphold and support the USConstitution and serve the people of the United
States who are not abiding by that, We're in tyrannical times, you know,
And I like s way. Eightyyears ago, we were in World
War two. Eighty years before that, we were in the Civil War.
Eighty years before that, we werein the war of our independence. Now
is our time to stand up andfind that intestinal fortitude to stand on principle,

(48:07):
walk in the dominion that we havehere on this earth, and make
sure that we are are sacrificing whateverit needs, whatever it is that we
need to sacrifice in order to maintainliberty and freedom in the United States,
or we will lose it forever.Now, you guys know why I keep
telling Ali Lege, which is goingto be your presidential name? Now,
you guys know I keep telling AliLege that she's going to be president of

(48:30):
the United States and I'm going toserve in her cabinet because I mean,
everything you're saying is truth. Youhave a ton of energy. I mean,
yeah, you are awesome as youThank you you guys. Might I
know she ran for school board intwenty twenty. It came very close to
two. Yeah, oh there's twentytwo. Yeah, that's right, and
you came very close to winning ina very difficult race. We've heard the

(48:52):
last of you, especially, anddefinitely not on this show. Because we're
going to have you back, becauseI could talk to you all day,
but I'm out of time. Unfortunately, I only have so much time on
the radio. But Ali is joiningus actually in a few minutes here on
DC after Dark. So if youguys want to hear more from Ali,
just go over to DC after Dark. We'll be on tonight continuing this conversation.

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You got to go to Dcpatriot dotcom just clickwatch now, or you
can go to x rumblepill dot netanywhere you consume DC Patriot media. But
go and check out Ali leg She'sover on Twitter. She's also the vice
president of Veterice for Trump. Sheworks from Moms for America and she's doing
a fantastic job. Ali, thankyou so much for being on the show.

(49:37):
We'll talk to you here in justa couple of minutes on the next
one. Thank you so much,David. I really appreciate you. Yeah,
thanks for coming on. You gottacome on again real soon, okay,
of course, ye Hi goollie.All right, guys, that is
all the time I have for tonight. Again, go over to Dcpatriot dot
com clickwatch neck us out now atDC after Dark. It's coming on right
now with co host Matt Couch andpuppet Carlson. But that is all the

(49:58):
time I have for you tonight onthis radio show. Thank you so much
for joining every single week, andwe'll see again, same time, same
place next week. Good Night,everybody,