August 8, 2025 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's again for Jacobs, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's been a pretty crazy week. I feeling that every week.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
This one in particular. So I think the main story
that's really on everyone's mind, obviously is Hamas and the PJA,
each respective releasing a hostage video of Evatara, David and Rumboslovsky. Obviously,
these I think it's it's not entitalizing to say that
these are like the worst conditions that we've seen Israeli
hostages up until this point, even more so than the
(00:34):
hostage where they were really emaciated and underweight. And I
think this really like really puts the table to that.
And I think obviously the thing that really stuck with
most people who saw this video. If you know someone
hasn't seen this video, I recommend you watch it unless
you really get easily triggered by these things, because it's
a really good reminder that you know we're still in
this and that you know, these terrible things are still
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happening to our hostages. But I think the part where
you know they made him dig his on grave is
really like, you know, I think that's something we haven't
seen before, and I think that's like, really what I
said a lot of people of it was shocking.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I remember when the first footage came out of elisha
Abi and the kind of trio that came out with him.
I was so shocked to see that that could actually
be a situation that we're living in twenty twenty five.
Like to me, that was so shocking, and then to
see it again after months and kind of be reminded,
this is still the situation. There's so many things going on,
(01:27):
but we're still They're still there, And I think it
was a huge wake up call for a lot of people.
Even though the hostage is always on people's minds, we
have to live our lives time it goes on. It's
very very crazy. And also I saw a lot of
people kind of comparing it to the pictures that we
have from World War Two of people digging their own graves,
and it's shocking to see that there's such a such
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a way that we can equate the two.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And it's just the difference between him and someone who's
liberated from Maatschowitz was his head wasn't shaved like there's
literally undiscernible right it was.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was really shocking, and I also think the response
of the world has been kind of shocking as well.
I think as more time has passed, we've seen that
people are maybe speaking about it a little bit more.
But the contrast of sort of what we saw when people,
you know, when the New York Times had the picture
of the Godsen child and everyone was talking about it
for some reason, there isn't that same sort of attention
(02:20):
being given to these hostages.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So the comparison for me like absolutely right, But the
comparison for me isn't actually like the videos of if
you're telling one versus like the Godsen children. I'm relating
this back to like the earlier hostage release with a
Sharabi because I remember when that release happened, Hamas would
like make ceremonies out of it, where they put them
on stage and whatever, and then when they brought them out,
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the reaction was like severely different. Everybody was displeased, including
the US and Katar, who told Hamas like, you need
to cut this right now, you have to stop doing this.
And clearly Hamas felt that pressure because they they reduced
the ceremonies. When they release, they didn't even have a ceremony.
It just appeared in Israel magically right, Like they didn't
make a spectacle out of it, and it clearly showed
(03:06):
that they weren't in a place where they could just
be actively starving hostages, like the world really cared. And
then actually I talked with her editor and she's took
a client about this last week about how is how
are people going to be receiving messages a about the
declarations of like you know, Palestinian statehood and also the
cabinets saying that they're going to explore the option of
like full occupation the Gaza strip. And I think this
clearly shows that Hamas feels a lot more emboldened now
(03:29):
because I think, you know, they could have just shown
the video of him really skinny saying you know, they
eat what we eat, and then cut it right there,
and then you know, this would have gone really well
with the campaign of like, oh, starvation is not in
a food in Gaza. So clearly, you know, this is
why it's happening. But the fact that they could sprinkle
in this like making him dig his own grave, and
it received like little to know backlash. I would say,
(03:51):
people are still sharing the video normally, like even on
like Arab media and like on like a telegram channels,
like they're still sharing it, even like the part about
him digging his grave saying like this is all still
somehow is Reel's fault. It's like that little tidbit of
unecessary cruelty like it. I think it really shows that,
like to me, Hamas doesn't feel the same pressure of
showing hostages and terrible conditions as they did back in
(04:12):
I think it was March.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think also when we saw hostage videos that came
out from after Alisa Abby's release, the way that they
were framing it was very different to what that First
of all, they wouldn't have had the hostages without their
shirt on to show like how much they are being starved.
I think they were kind of showing it in a
more like they're sitting on a mattress. They're talking, and
they're sitting down and can't really see what they're looking
like standing up and then yeah, I think you're really right.
(04:36):
Just all of a sudden, it's almost as if it's
they know that they can get away with it, right
and again just just shocking.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I mean I it's yeah, I think it's it's again,
it's easily the worst one that's come out so far.
I also can't imagine what, you know, the families are feeling.
If Vitager's brother Eli spoke to the United Nations last week,
sorry last night, like an emergency session, and yeah, it's
just it just sounds like absolute torture for the families,
Like you.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Can't imagine that kind of thing of someone that you love,
and there really isn't a lot you can do now.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So when we think about the reactions that came out
when these videos came out, that obviously segues into another
important development was that a lot of activists and friends
of Rumboslavsky subsequently after this videos came out of him
because his videos were less focused on his physical state,
even though his physical state is also not so great,
(05:28):
but it was more about his emotional state and him
talking and crying and saying that you know, he can't
take this anymore. And some of his personal friends like
family friends and also activists went down to the south
and like blocked a trucks that we want to go
into Gaza, which first of all obviously shows the you know,
the response and how people are feeling, which is absolutely
(05:49):
just angry. And I think it's also it really shows
like how critical of a junction we are right now.
I know it feels like every moment in the war
is like the next you know, big thing that's going
to happen, or make something change direction or make things happen.
But with everything that's going on right now, there's still
like the fact that Israel is also upping the amount
(06:09):
of aid going into the guys the strip. There's a
lot of talks with the US about like how the
mechanism is going to work. They're trying all these different things.
We're turning it back to local merchants, and like anyway, whatever,
anyway you cut it, whether it works or not, if
it's air drop, if it's by that, the fact is
that like aid is increasing while we're essentially not agreeing
to any terms or getting intials in and you know
(06:31):
clearly a lot of Israelis are upset by that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, I think it's kind of like a double edged
sword in a lot of ways, because on the one hand,
if you're looking at it from a totally outside perspective,
why would people want to blockade?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That is not that is like you have to look
at the situation in a very nuanced way, and I'm
not saying whether this is good or this is I
think since the beginning of the war, everybody who is involved,
whether it's Israeli's all Palestinians, have been put in a
completely impossible position where any decision or any move that
you make is kind of just that there's always going
to be these huge repercussions, and everybody feels like the
(07:07):
hands are tied. So I think everybody's trying to make decisions.
They're trying to they don't feel like the government is
kind of making decisions for them or they can rely
on them, so they're like, Okay, we're going to take
this into our own hands and we're going to do things.
I think it just highlights how much the people are
being put through, Like the people are really suffering, and
there doesn't seem to be like a clear answer about
(07:28):
what's actually going to happen, even in the next few months.
I mean, I think every single day or every single week,
we hear different declarations this is going to happen, this
is going to happen. There's not really a clear path.
Every every week it can be something different. I think
everybody's confused. People are tired, and people are suffering by
seeing their loved ones like in those conditions.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And we also talked about this last week where we
still haven't since October seven. It's like we've just been
in constant conflict. If it's not with Gaza, then it's
with the hot and just it's just just rotating. And
then you know, we partos in Syria for some insert
the reason there, and it's just this constant rotation of
activity and war and strikes, and we never had a
(08:07):
moment actually just pause and breathe and like process what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We did an interview with Talie Weisman Gantz, who is
the chairperson for White SO and they're basically doing a
program now what they're talking about how men and soldiers
are affected when they come home from warn like what
that's like for their families. And if you think about it,
if somebody had a child, you know, right before October seventh,
we're a little bit afterwards, and somebody's been in reserves
that whole time, they don't even know what their home
(08:34):
life is even like. And that's just one person's story.
Every single person has these things, and like, I think
that is the side of war that no, people are
talking about it, but everybody is affected in such a
strong way.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
There was a reservist who spoke at the Casset I
think last week, and it was on the topic of
like government funding and benefits for reservists because of the wars,
like the extended peraid of the war and whatnot, and
they're basically saying like, we're not you know, we're not scenaries.
We don't want to constantly be in mi thewed Like
we're not. Yeah, I mean, like this isn't our profession
that has go back to our to our lives. So
(09:08):
like yeah, like obviously there's like the mental aspect of
just having the constantly be bogged down by war, but
there's actually physically having your life uprooted and not being
able to do things you want to do because you
have to be in Gaza or you have to ben
in the Bard of Lebanon. And you know, it's we're
coming up on two years pretty soon, like it's it's
been going on for like a very long time. I think.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Also once October seventh happened, the immediate need that people
had to know we have to protect in this moment
is it's very different to today I think when people
initially came, you know, people came from all different places
in the world, Like it was one day and everybody
was there, they knew I need to be here. After
a certain amount of time, First of all, the threat
(09:48):
is different now, I would say, after.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I would I don't think really anyone think feels the
same existential threat.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Right we did, but that's still continuing in the same
manner of like I always need to be available, I
always need to be here, and it's very crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, no, totally, And I guess you know, we'll see
what happens this week. We'll see what the security Cabinet
decides about the direction of the war. We'll see how
you know, the international community responds and what will happen that.
But I do also want to talk about if we
go out of Gaza for a sec we take a
focus to the West Bank. There was another I would
say significant development that happened, unfortunately, which maybe didn't get
(10:26):
as much international attraction, but is you know significant. Nonetheless,
it's still something that happens. Then we do have to
talk about it. In the West Bank passing activist auDA
Hatholin unfortunately was killed by Israel. You know on Levy
not in you know, in any immediate threat or what's
the word, like projecting any immediate threat onto him and
(10:46):
ian Lon Levy was then put on house, arrested and
subsequently released. And then you know, to you know, make
this story deteriorate even further, is that during the memorial
service for how that they the military like evacuated it
and they're still holding the body only on the con
that the family will hold the process like outside of
the ceremony, like outside of his home village. And he
wasn't just you know, a regular passing activists. He was
(11:08):
also someone who contributed to the Oscar Winging documentary norther Lanta.
Obviously that was very big at the time. A lot
of people felt different ways about it. It's biased, but
it shows things that happens. It is very mixed by
the way. I think it's you know, you know, very
sad that it happened, very sad that it I think
it's very sad and unfortunate really that it's basically all
on video. I think everyone knows that it happened, and
you know, nothing really there wasn't really any consequence after.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think in general, does a responsibility that kind of
I feel, and I know a lot of other people
probably feel just as like a regular person who lives
in any kind of place, when somebody is unarmed and
they are killed for either whatever the reason may be,
that it is not violent and there's seemingly no reason
(11:52):
for self defense, and nothing seems to happen as a consequence,
like we have a problem. There is a problem, and
we need to talk about it. And I think think
that so much is going on that everything kind of
gets drowned out by you know, the next day's news, right,
But there are people here who genuinely, you know, they
lost a loved one, They lost somebody who also tried
(12:12):
to commit their life to specific like peace building work
and whatever your opinion is on that sort of things.
This person wanted change, and I think the fact that
he could not go and say I do not agree
with what you're doing in the place that I live,
and he got killed as a result of that, we
need to really like look inwards and say what is
going on here and kind of kick up a first,
(12:34):
I would.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Say, yeah, And I also like completely just if you
look at this as it's own incident and you take
any whatever political anything that you may believe if you
if you see the video, I don't think it's biased
to say that there was really like no immediate threat,
Like there was a lot of yelling and you know,
and Levy really shoved him continued to shove himself into
(12:57):
the situation and instigate, and then I think, you know,
the video just kind of ends with him shooting and
then it cuts and I just I think it's like
very clear that that was a shooting that did not
need to happen. And again, like the you know, he
was released from house arrest. Allegedly he said I'm glad
I did it, but you know, we're not entirely sure
(13:19):
that's what he said, but you know, he I guess
I guess we could say that he did just kind
of get away with it and it's just business as usual,
and like that in and of itself, for me, is
just kind of hard to wrap yourself or not, Like
if you're putting away like who this guy was and
he's an active is like all that aside, which is again,
it is very unfortunate and I'm not trying. I'm just
like looking at this completely off the side. It's just
it's hard for me to like comprehend that someone unnecessarily
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was instigating shot somebody and is just moving on to
the business as usual. Like that to me is like,
as someone who like lives here, that's like kind of
alarming that that just kind of happened.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Super alarming. And I think reportedly even he returned to
that to the village and there was some sort of
like argument that was happening between This is kind of
what reports say of like he was bulldozing and they
were gonna sort of damage the water pipes, and there's
a lot of different things that different people are saying.
But then after you come and you've killed somebody who's
(14:11):
a member of this community, you are allowed to then
come back in the same context that you were there
before and just kind of show your face. And I think, yeah,
business is usually just highlights.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It's really hard to it's really really hard.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And I think that's why it's so good that we're
talking about it, because we should be.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know how many people actually know that this happened,
right you would you would think, like because I remember
when I was when I was working there, was like
the day it happened, in the day after when it
really clarified who it was and there it happened. I
was just you know, like if you look at you know,
Israeli media, like almost nothing was like huh, like okay, interesting,
let's see if anything comes out of that, and like
nothing really did. And look at the other media, we're like, oh, okay,
(14:48):
that's crazy, Like this is this is insane, and like
it it definitely should be talked about more. And like
I you know, obviously, like this saga hasn't concluded, so
we'll see how it will. But like as things stand now,
I just I think it's like very alarming that this
could be a normal happening.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I know, like as we record this, which is on Wednesday,
August sixth, there is going to be a really big
protest that's happening I think in the area of the village.
And there's also I think a lot of women from
the village are hunger striking because they're like this is
so crazy and we need to actually make some sort
of we need to you know, kick up some sort
of I guess awareness however we can. So we're definitely
(15:27):
still in the middle of it, and I hope that
justice has a way of coming forwards, and have.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You like spoken to anybody who like knows people through
these peace efforts and like what they're saying about it,
like how they're receiving the news.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I would say I've spoken to a few people
that knew out of personally, and I think it's just
a devastating loss when it's someone that you know, especially
when you know them in the context of sort of
trying to build better futures for the people who live
here and trying to understand the other side in a
world where like, I don't think that encouraged enough. I
(16:02):
think to be in that context, know that there's something
that you're fighting for and then kind of seeing this
kind of thing happen, which is so tragic and so
terrible and also not a common occurrence, I would say,
but still it's still happened, right, And I think it's
just it's heartbreaking. I think people just feel, you know,
they've lost someone that they love for no reason.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, no, And it really really does feel that way.
Like again from my point of view, like if if
you just watched the video, you're like, wow, this really
was for no reason. A common theme here is that
there's a lot of disconcerting decisions being made from this
current government, and I think a lot of people, again,
regardless of your political beliefs, I think we're all just
(16:42):
very confused at like what's really going on there and
like how these decisions are being made. Why I think
this government there inability to actually like make decisions, inability
to act, is because they appear to be spending all
the time just replacing people who they deem inefficient. And
so we're going to talk about that now and see,
you know, dig deeper into this as to why this
government just rather replaces rather than repairs. Mm hmmmmmmmmmmm
What's again for Jacobs, Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's been a pretty crazy week. I feeling that every week.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
This one in particular. So I think the main story
that's really on everyone's mind, obviously is Hamas and the PJA,
each respective releasing a hostage video of Evatara, David and Rumboslovsky. Obviously,
these I think it's it's not entitalizing to say that
these are like the worst conditions that we've seen Israeli
hostages up until this point, even more so than the
(00:34):
hostage where they were really emaciated and underweight. And I
think this really like really puts the table to that.
And I think obviously the thing that really stuck with
most people who saw this video. If you know someone
hasn't seen this video, I recommend you watch it unless
you really get easily triggered by these things, because it's
a really good reminder that you know we're still in
this and that you know, these terrible things are still
(00:55):
happening to our hostages. But I think the part where
you know they made him dig his on grave is
really like, you know, I think that's something we haven't
seen before, and I think that's like, really what I
said a lot of people of it was shocking.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I remember when the first footage came out of elisha
Abi and the kind of trio that came out with him.
I was so shocked to see that that could actually
be a situation that we're living in twenty twenty five.
Like to me, that was so shocking, and then to
see it again after months and kind of be reminded,
this is still the situation. There's so many things going on,
(01:27):
but we're still They're still there, And I think it
was a huge wake up call for a lot of people.
Even though the hostage is always on people's minds, we
have to live our lives time it goes on. It's
very very crazy. And also I saw a lot of
people kind of comparing it to the pictures that we
have from World War Two of people digging their own graves,
and it's shocking to see that there's such a such
(01:49):
a way that we can equate the two.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And it's just the difference between him and someone who's
liberated from Maatschowitz was his head wasn't shaved like there's
literally undiscernible right it was.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was really shocking, and I also think the response
of the world has been kind of shocking as well.
I think as more time has passed, we've seen that
people are maybe speaking about it a little bit more.
But the contrast of sort of what we saw when people,
you know, when the New York Times had the picture
of the Godsen child and everyone was talking about it
for some reason, there isn't that same sort of attention
(02:20):
being given to these hostages.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So the comparison for me like absolutely right, But the
comparison for me isn't actually like the videos of if
you're telling one versus like the Godsen children. I'm relating
this back to like the earlier hostage release with a
Sharabi because I remember when that release happened, Hamas would
like make ceremonies out of it, where they put them
on stage and whatever, and then when they brought them out,
(02:46):
the reaction was like severely different. Everybody was displeased, including
the US and Katar, who told Hamas like, you need
to cut this right now, you have to stop doing this.
And clearly Hamas felt that pressure because they they reduced
the ceremonies. When they release, they didn't even have a ceremony.
It just appeared in Israel magically right, Like they didn't
make a spectacle out of it, and it clearly showed
(03:06):
that they weren't in a place where they could just
be actively starving hostages, like the world really cared. And
then actually I talked with her editor and she's took
a client about this last week about how is how
are people going to be receiving messages a about the
declarations of like you know, Palestinian statehood and also the
cabinets saying that they're going to explore the option of
like full occupation the Gaza strip. And I think this
clearly shows that Hamas feels a lot more emboldened now
(03:29):
because I think, you know, they could have just shown
the video of him really skinny saying you know, they
eat what we eat, and then cut it right there,
and then you know, this would have gone really well
with the campaign of like, oh, starvation is not in
a food in Gaza. So clearly, you know, this is
why it's happening. But the fact that they could sprinkle
in this like making him dig his own grave, and
it received like little to know backlash. I would say,
(03:51):
people are still sharing the video normally, like even on
like Arab media and like on like a telegram channels,
like they're still sharing it, even like the part about
him digging his grave saying like this is all still
somehow is Reel's fault. It's like that little tidbit of
unecessary cruelty like it. I think it really shows that,
like to me, Hamas doesn't feel the same pressure of
showing hostages and terrible conditions as they did back in
(04:12):
I think it was March.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think also when we saw hostage videos that came
out from after Alisa Abby's release, the way that they
were framing it was very different to what that First
of all, they wouldn't have had the hostages without their
shirt on to show like how much they are being starved.
I think they were kind of showing it in a
more like they're sitting on a mattress. They're talking, and
they're sitting down and can't really see what they're looking
like standing up and then yeah, I think you're really right.
(04:36):
Just all of a sudden, it's almost as if it's
they know that they can get away with it, right
and again just just shocking.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, I mean I it's yeah, I think it's it's again,
it's easily the worst one that's come out so far.
I also can't imagine what, you know, the families are feeling.
If Vitager's brother Eli spoke to the United Nations last week,
sorry last night, like an emergency session, and yeah, it's
just it just sounds like absolute torture for the families,
Like you.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Can't imagine that kind of thing of someone that you love,
and there really isn't a lot you can do now.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
So when we think about the reactions that came out
when these videos came out, that obviously segues into another
important development was that a lot of activists and friends
of Rumboslavsky subsequently after this videos came out of him
because his videos were less focused on his physical state,
even though his physical state is also not so great,
(05:28):
but it was more about his emotional state and him
talking and crying and saying that you know, he can't
take this anymore. And some of his personal friends like
family friends and also activists went down to the south
and like blocked a trucks that we want to go
into Gaza, which first of all obviously shows the you know,
the response and how people are feeling, which is absolutely
(05:49):
just angry. And I think it's also it really shows
like how critical of a junction we are right now.
I know it feels like every moment in the war
is like the next you know, big thing that's going
to happen, or make something change direction or make things happen.
But with everything that's going on right now, there's still
like the fact that Israel is also upping the amount
(06:09):
of aid going into the guys the strip. There's a
lot of talks with the US about like how the
mechanism is going to work. They're trying all these different things.
We're turning it back to local merchants, and like anyway, whatever,
anyway you cut it, whether it works or not, if
it's air drop, if it's by that, the fact is
that like aid is increasing while we're essentially not agreeing
to any terms or getting intials in and you know
(06:31):
clearly a lot of Israelis are upset by that.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, I think it's kind of like a double edged
sword in a lot of ways, because on the one hand,
if you're looking at it from a totally outside perspective,
why would people want to blockade?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That is not that is like you have to look
at the situation in a very nuanced way, and I'm
not saying whether this is good or this is I
think since the beginning of the war, everybody who is involved,
whether it's Israeli's all Palestinians, have been put in a
completely impossible position where any decision or any move that
you make is kind of just that there's always going
to be these huge repercussions, and everybody feels like the
(07:07):
hands are tied. So I think everybody's trying to make decisions.
They're trying to they don't feel like the government is
kind of making decisions for them or they can rely
on them, so they're like, Okay, we're going to take
this into our own hands and we're going to do things.
I think it just highlights how much the people are
being put through, Like the people are really suffering, and
there doesn't seem to be like a clear answer about
(07:28):
what's actually going to happen, even in the next few months.
I mean, I think every single day or every single week,
we hear different declarations this is going to happen, this
is going to happen. There's not really a clear path.
Every every week it can be something different. I think
everybody's confused. People are tired, and people are suffering by
seeing their loved ones like in those conditions.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And we also talked about this last week where we
still haven't since October seven. It's like we've just been
in constant conflict. If it's not with Gaza, then it's
with the hot and just it's just just rotating. And
then you know, we partos in Syria for some insert
the reason there, and it's just this constant rotation of
activity and war and strikes, and we never had a
(08:07):
moment actually just pause and breathe and like process what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We did an interview with Talie Weisman Gantz, who is
the chairperson for White SO and they're basically doing a
program now what they're talking about how men and soldiers
are affected when they come home from warn like what
that's like for their families. And if you think about it,
if somebody had a child, you know, right before October seventh,
we're a little bit afterwards, and somebody's been in reserves
that whole time, they don't even know what their home
(08:34):
life is even like. And that's just one person's story.
Every single person has these things, and like, I think
that is the side of war that no, people are
talking about it, but everybody is affected in such a
strong way.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
There was a reservist who spoke at the Casset I
think last week, and it was on the topic of
like government funding and benefits for reservists because of the wars,
like the extended peraid of the war and whatnot, and
they're basically saying like, we're not you know, we're not scenaries.
We don't want to constantly be in mi thewed Like
we're not. Yeah, I mean, like this isn't our profession
that has go back to our to our lives. So
(09:08):
like yeah, like obviously there's like the mental aspect of
just having the constantly be bogged down by war, but
there's actually physically having your life uprooted and not being
able to do things you want to do because you
have to be in Gaza or you have to ben
in the Bard of Lebanon. And you know, it's we're
coming up on two years pretty soon, like it's it's
been going on for like a very long time. I think.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Also once October seventh happened, the immediate need that people
had to know we have to protect in this moment
is it's very different to today I think when people
initially came, you know, people came from all different places
in the world, Like it was one day and everybody
was there, they knew I need to be here. After
a certain amount of time, First of all, the threat
(09:48):
is different now, I would say, after.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I would I don't think really anyone think feels the
same existential threat.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Right we did, but that's still continuing in the same
manner of like I always need to be available, I
always need to be here, and it's very crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, no, totally, And I guess you know, we'll see
what happens this week. We'll see what the security Cabinet
decides about the direction of the war. We'll see how
you know, the international community responds and what will happen that.
But I do also want to talk about if we
go out of Gaza for a sec we take a
focus to the West Bank. There was another I would
say significant development that happened, unfortunately, which maybe didn't get
(10:26):
as much international attraction, but is you know significant. Nonetheless,
it's still something that happens. Then we do have to
talk about it. In the West Bank passing activist auDA
Hatholin unfortunately was killed by Israel. You know on Levy
not in you know, in any immediate threat or what's
the word, like projecting any immediate threat onto him and
(10:46):
ian Lon Levy was then put on house, arrested and
subsequently released. And then you know, to you know, make
this story deteriorate even further, is that during the memorial
service for how that they the military like evacuated it
and they're still holding the body only on the con
that the family will hold the process like outside of
the ceremony, like outside of his home village. And he
wasn't just you know, a regular passing activists. He was
(11:08):
also someone who contributed to the Oscar Winging documentary norther Lanta.
Obviously that was very big at the time. A lot
of people felt different ways about it. It's biased, but
it shows things that happens. It is very mixed by
the way. I think it's you know, you know, very
sad that it happened, very sad that it I think
it's very sad and unfortunate really that it's basically all
on video. I think everyone knows that it happened, and
you know, nothing really there wasn't really any consequence after.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I think in general, does a responsibility that kind of
I feel, and I know a lot of other people
probably feel just as like a regular person who lives
in any kind of place, when somebody is unarmed and
they are killed for either whatever the reason may be,
that it is not violent and there's seemingly no reason
(11:52):
for self defense, and nothing seems to happen as a consequence,
like we have a problem. There is a problem, and
we need to talk about it. And I think think
that so much is going on that everything kind of
gets drowned out by you know, the next day's news, right,
But there are people here who genuinely, you know, they
lost a loved one, They lost somebody who also tried
(12:12):
to commit their life to specific like peace building work
and whatever your opinion is on that sort of things.
This person wanted change, and I think the fact that
he could not go and say I do not agree
with what you're doing in the place that I live,
and he got killed as a result of that, we
need to really like look inwards and say what is
going on here and kind of kick up a first,
(12:34):
I would.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Say, yeah, And I also like completely just if you
look at this as it's own incident and you take
any whatever political anything that you may believe if you
if you see the video, I don't think it's biased
to say that there was really like no immediate threat,
Like there was a lot of yelling and you know,
and Levy really shoved him continued to shove himself into
(12:57):
the situation and instigate, and then I think, you know,
the video just kind of ends with him shooting and
then it cuts and I just I think it's like
very clear that that was a shooting that did not
need to happen. And again, like the you know, he
was released from house arrest. Allegedly he said I'm glad
I did it, but you know, we're not entirely sure
(13:19):
that's what he said, but you know, he I guess
I guess we could say that he did just kind
of get away with it and it's just business as usual,
and like that in and of itself, for me, is
just kind of hard to wrap yourself or not, Like
if you're putting away like who this guy was and
he's an active is like all that aside, which is again,
it is very unfortunate and I'm not trying. I'm just
like looking at this completely off the side. It's just
it's hard for me to like comprehend that someone unnecessarily
(13:42):
was instigating shot somebody and is just moving on to
the business as usual. Like that to me is like,
as someone who like lives here, that's like kind of
alarming that that just kind of happened.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Super alarming. And I think reportedly even he returned to
that to the village and there was some sort of
like argument that was happening between This is kind of
what reports say of like he was bulldozing and they
were gonna sort of damage the water pipes, and there's
a lot of different things that different people are saying.
But then after you come and you've killed somebody who's
(14:11):
a member of this community, you are allowed to then
come back in the same context that you were there
before and just kind of show your face. And I think, yeah,
business is usually just highlights.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It's really hard to it's really really hard.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And I think that's why it's so good that we're
talking about it, because we should be.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I don't know how many people actually know that this happened,
right you would you would think, like because I remember
when I was when I was working there, was like
the day it happened, in the day after when it
really clarified who it was and there it happened. I
was just you know, like if you look at you know,
Israeli media, like almost nothing was like huh, like okay, interesting,
let's see if anything comes out of that, and like
nothing really did. And look at the other media, we're like, oh, okay,
(14:48):
that's crazy, Like this is this is insane, and like
it it definitely should be talked about more. And like
I you know, obviously, like this saga hasn't concluded, so
we'll see how it will. But like as things stand now,
I just I think it's like very alarming that this
could be a normal happening.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I know, like as we record this, which is on Wednesday,
August sixth, there is going to be a really big
protest that's happening I think in the area of the village.
And there's also I think a lot of women from
the village are hunger striking because they're like this is
so crazy and we need to actually make some sort
of we need to you know, kick up some sort
of I guess awareness however we can. So we're definitely
(15:27):
still in the middle of it, and I hope that
justice has a way of coming forwards, and have.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You like spoken to anybody who like knows people through
these peace efforts and like what they're saying about it,
like how they're receiving the news.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, I would say I've spoken to a few people
that knew out of personally, and I think it's just
a devastating loss when it's someone that you know, especially
when you know them in the context of sort of
trying to build better futures for the people who live
here and trying to understand the other side in a
world where like, I don't think that encouraged enough. I
(16:02):
think to be in that context, know that there's something
that you're fighting for and then kind of seeing this
kind of thing happen, which is so tragic and so
terrible and also not a common occurrence, I would say,
but still it's still happened, right, And I think it's
just it's heartbreaking. I think people just feel, you know,
they've lost someone that they love for no reason.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, no, And it really really does feel that way.
Like again from my point of view, like if if
you just watched the video, you're like, wow, this really
was for no reason. A common theme here is that
there's a lot of disconcerting decisions being made from this
current government, and I think a lot of people, again,
regardless of your political beliefs, I think we're all just
(16:42):
very confused at like what's really going on there and
like how these decisions are being made. Why I think
this government there inability to actually like make decisions, inability
to act, is because they appear to be spending all
the time just replacing people who they deem inefficient. And
so we're going to talk about that now and see,
you know, dig deeper into this as to why this
government just rather replaces rather than repairs. Mm hmmmmmmmmmmm
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