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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He was literally two days away from dying.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So this is a story where a fifteen year old
boy was diagnosed with blood cancer, but he developed a
flesh eating infection.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
In his life.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He wasn't going to make so he has one request.
He wants to go outside, and that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
What they do.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And this was actually mind blowing to me. After the
second day, the infection is probably sixty seventy percent on
and it became clear to me that sunlight has so
many important benefits. For instance, if you're the bed closer
to the window, you get discharged from the hospital faster.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So I want you to get any information you have
as it relates to light health, for example, do you
recommend these kinds of things. Doctor Roger Seyholt is a
board certified critical care position.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Who breaks down complex science into clear life saving advice.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I see people at the very end of their lives,
so I know what prevents them from getting this ill
and how to extend life. So let's distill it down
into eight pillars. The first thing that exercise that reduces stroke,
it reduces depression. Next, sunlight. Did you know that infra
red lights from the sun is able to penetrate up
to about eight millimeters and stimulate and upregulate melatonins which
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prevent a lot of diseases like dementia, cardiovascuar disease, diabetes.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What if you live in a cloudy country.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
There's some very actionable things that you can do, and
we'll talk about that next one. Water, for instance, people
who use sauna are more likely to have less set
from cardiovascuar disease. Next air, there are studies that show
that just going out one day a week can elevate
our immune system and make.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Us more relaxed. And then there's more. But finally, trust.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
This is something that can't be ignored because studies have shown.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That people who have a good faith and trust in
a God are room.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
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strange way, you are. You're part of our history and
you're on this journey with us, and I appreciate you
for that. Say thank you, Dr Roger Schwelt. With the
work that you do, what is it that you're aiming
to accomplish outside.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Of my clinical duties It may be even part of that.
I would like to clearly explain very easily graspable tools
that can be implemented to make people live their best life.
And it's specifically in terms of their health and their
well being.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And as we dig down into health and well being,
because that's quite a broad basket, what is it within
health and wellbeing that you've spent your career, your life
focusing on.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So I'm a board certified internal medicine specialist. Then I
did an extra three years of training here in the
United States on pulmonary and critical care. So I deal
with all of the issues that are related to the
lungs and the critical care aspect. So if you are
are if you are admitted to hospital and you're critically ill,
you go to the intensive care unit.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm the doctor that you see.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I'm putting in you know, the lines, putting them
on vasor pressors, intubating them.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I worked in the clinic this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And what are some of the unappreciated things that most
people don't think of because we think of you know,
don't eat process food and write, exercise. But is there
things outside of that that you don't think the average
person appreciates enough? Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What are those things?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So if we look at those things that extend life
and are beneficial, we could put them into what I
call eight pillars of health. If you can imagine your
life is a chain with a bunch of links. Okay,
and I'm talking medically. Each one of those links is
an organ system. So your heart is a link, your
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lungs are a link, your liver is a link, your kidneys,
et cetera, et cetera. As you go through life, imagine
those links starting to erode. That but at some point
in your life you're going to get some sort of
a disease or a diagnosis that focuses on one organ
system of your life. For many here in the United
States and in the UK, it's the heart. And as
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that link gets more eroded, we can see very clearly
that this is going to be the link that's going
to break first, and therefore attention is paid to that link.
For many that diagnosis comes with medications. So here is
one of the first truisms that I would say going forward.
All medications have side effects, and what the aim is
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to do in modern medicine is to utilize the knowledge
of those medicines and their effect on the human body
so that we leverage the other links to protect that
weakest link. So I could go through a bunch of
medications that I give all the time to patients and
the intensive carry in it, where I'm focused on saving
their life because i can clearly see which link is
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the weakest, but I'm doing it knowing that their side
effects because I'm trying to save that link to save
that life, and I'm leveraging those other things. For instance,
somebody comes in with a stroke.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And they've lost weakness on the right side of their
body or on the left side, whichever side, I can
give them a medication immediately that will break up all
of the clots in their body. It's called TPA or TNK, and.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It will restore blood float to the brain, and it
will reverse many of their symptoms.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
If they come in soon enough, we can do this.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What's amazing is that that medication has an effect that
can do that, but it also has a pretty significant
side effect and that it could break up clots somewhere
else and cause bleeding. So we have to be careful
about what it is that we're doing. Clearly there, what
we're doing is we're saving one link at the expense
of other links. But that's what you have to do
in an emergency situation. But if after that I simply
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send that patient home without telling them why they had
that stroke and what they need to do to prevent
themselves from getting that stroke again, and what are the
lifestyle factors that cause that to happen, I haven't done
my job. So what are the interventions that we can do,
hopefully early on in life, so that we don't have
those links eroding, so that all of the links are
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strong and as we get older we can continue to
strengthen all of the links. Here are the eight So nutrition,
that's nutrition basically, you know, we know there are studies
that have done that show that that depending on what
we put into our bodies as food can have a
dramatic impact in terms of our well being.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, so that's nutrition.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Exercise, As I was saying, exercise, not only I mean
drugs and things have side effects. Exercise have side benefits.
So exercise obviously is going to make you more fit,
it's going to make you have better endurance. But did
you know that it reduces stroke? Did you know that
it improves well being? It reduces depression. There's so many benefits,
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so all of these links are actually improving. There's no
leveraging here. Exercise is incredible. Water So this may sound obvious, right,
like you drink because you're thirsty. Where I would like
to go today is to talk a little bit about
what the effect of water externally on your body can do.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And you're talking there about like hot and cold exactly,
usage exact terms of showers or co plunges.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Is that kind of thing exactly? Okay, And we'll get
into the actual evidence for this.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
We'll get into it later. But what is this immune
system which changes your probability of diseases? In correct?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Absolutely, especially in the acute setting. Especially so not only
in the acute setting, but we also have pretty good
data from Finland where they have more saunas than the
almost then people where they've actually done the research and
shown with dose response curves that this is actually very beneficial.
We won't get into too much of that, but what
I want to focus a little bit more on, because
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of my job and the intensive carry in it, and
what we're seeing right now with viruses and mutations in
the innate immune system, why something like this may actually
be very important as we look forward. Interestingly, as we
look forward to future things pandemics, we can look backward
and see what we had done in the past, and
we've got some really, actually really good information on that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Let's go to.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sunlight. This is something that I've really become more and
more involved with because of some of the benefits that
this can do. A very big misconception that people have
is that sunlight equals vitamin D, and therefore if you
take a vitamin D supplement, you don't need to go
in the sun. This is really something that's now being debunked.
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Sunlight has far more benefits than just vitamin D. Not
saying that vitamin D is not something that you want
to supplement with. I supplement with vitamin D. I think
there's a benefit to supplementing with vitamin D, no question.
But sunlight has so many important things and I really
would like to spend the bulk or the line share
of the time talking about this because this is really important.
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This is amazing, and it really made me think about sunlight.
So this is a story by a lady by the
name of Amy Hahnmeier. Her fifteen year old boy was
diagnosed with lymphoblastic leukemia, went into the hospital, actually started
chemotherapy for it, which is blood It's a blood cancer, yeah,
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and so the treatment for blood cancer is chemotherapy, which
he started. The side effect of chemotherapy is suppressing the
immune system, and unfortunately he didn't realize it, but he
developed He didn't realize it immediately, but he developed a
fungus flesh eating infection in his lung and went into
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the hospital in June of twenty twenty four. This is
in Minnesota Tertiary Care Hospital. And he got worse and
got worse and got worse to the point where the
only way that they could control this infection was to
actually remove his left lung, which they did. So this
is a fifteen year old boy. He is without his
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left lung. He only has a right lung and he
starts to decline. Even after that, they do a CT
scan and it shows that now the infection has moved
to his remaining right lung. They have a family conference
and as Amy is telling me this story, I could
hear her choking up.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
She's telling me this on the phone. She's saying that
he's fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He's completely awake, he's completely alert, he knows everything that's
going on around him. He's on a ventilator, like a
machine that they use for sleep apne. It's like a
bypath machine that's breathing for him. It's not intubation, but
it's on his mouth. And the doctors, you know, have
done everything they possibly can, and they say, look, he's
getting worse. We can't take obviously, we can't take the
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right lung out. We can't put him on a heart
lung machine. Because there's no sort of destination to where
he's going. We recommend not intubating him and making him
what they call dna A do not resuscitate. So they're like, wow,
they were not expecting this coming. So they have a
big conference. Somebody they call and helped to like, how
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do you explain to a fifteen year old boy that
you're dying and how is that going to feel? So
they ask the doctors how much time does he have?
They say two days. So in this situation, they ask
this boy, Okay, you're going to die, what do you
want to do with your life in the next two days?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
What do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And surprisingly, he says, I want to go outside. I
just want to go outside. This guy grew up probably
on a farm or something, and he spend his time outside,
so he wants to go outside. So you know how
I mean, I don't know if you know this, but
like if you're a nurse or you're a doctor and
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you've done everything you can and this and you're just
completely horrified at the fact that this fifteen year old
is going to die and he has request. You're going
to move heaven and earth to fulfill that one request.
And that's exactly what they do. They get this boy
the hospital bed outside he's on a bipad machine the
respiratory therapists have put together. So this guy is outside
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and they're not putting him outside to get better. He's
just this is his dying wish. They also use this
thing called a firefly. It's like a light device that
they were using. To be honest, I don't know which.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Did it, the fire flowers.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's a light device that gives off light at different
wavelengths and they would use that for about three times
a day for five minutes. This guy does not die.
After the first day, his white count starts to come down.
That's like a measure of the infection that's going on
in the lung. And by the way, they do a
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CT scan of his lung before this all starts, and
it's just the remaining lung on the right is just
filled with infection.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's horrible. By the second day, the white count comes
down even more. And by the way, they haven't changed
any of the other treatment he's been By this point,
he's been in for six weeks. He has not seen
the light of day, and he's still getting the powerful
anti fungal medication ampho, terras and B and pasacnasol.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
All of these things are really high powered drugs that
just completely fight fungus. But it's not working. He's getting worse.
But now he's out for the second day. The white
count's coming down, which is good. It's a good sign
his oxygen requirement is coming down. That's a good sign.
He's requiring less and less ouxygen. By the time he
gets to day five, Okay, we're already passed two days.
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He's off the BiPAP, he's on regular just nasal canula
oxygen that you see people wearing on their nose. The
doctors are scratching their head. They're like, we should get
a CT scan to see what's going on. So Amy
tells me that they get a CT scan of this guy,
and they're in the room and somebody even like swear
under their breath, like they're completely amazed because on the
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CT scan, obviously the left lung is still gone, but
the right lung, the disease is probably sixty seventy percent gone, and.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
He's still alive.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
He goes home, there's no sign of the disease after treatment,
and I just she just communicated with me to tell
me that he just got his make a Wish thing
for his cancer. He's continuing treatment, and she just can't
believe that he was literally two days away from dying.
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They changed nothing, They changed none of his treatments. The
only thing that they did was they took him outside
and they were using this firefly before inside. But they
were using it more consistently when he got outside.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Maybe hospitals should be outside.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
This is exactly what Okay, So if you wanted to
know what my drive was, what it is my purpose
that I'm doing right now. I'm working at three different hospitals,
and I'm trying to work in each of those three
different hospitals to try to get patients outside.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
The biggest barrier that we have is.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Staff taking those patients outside. That's the thing that's the hardest.
But this is what we used to do, Steven. This
is what we used when we built hospitals at the
turn of the century. We had hospital rooms where beds
could be taken out onto the veranda and people could
get sunlight. I would love to see a time where
we could go back to that type of effect. There
are studies that have been done. People in a two bedroom,
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if you're the bed closer to the window, you get
discharged from the hospital faster on average.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Really, yes, I need to swap sides of the bed
with my girlfriends. She's on the sunny side.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
There's so much evidence for this. People who are in
hospitals that have bigger windows, they give better surveys and
hospitals reimbursement is tied to the surveys that they get
from patients, so it's literally a win win win. If
hospitals started to, I believe, get patients outside, and they're
already doing this, I don't want to say that this
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isn't happening. There are hospitals that have programs to get
patients outside. I think we just ought to be doing
it a lot more.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Temperance.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Temperance, what does that mean.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's an old term, isn't it. It really means moderation,
and I would say in this sense, temperance really means
to avoid toxins in the body. As somebody who is
a pulmonologist, who is homonologist is someone who takes care
of the lungs, and so as a result of that,
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I see a lot of issues with lung cancer related
to smoking. I see in the intensive carry in it
people with liver failure as a result of alcohol abuse.
I also see people on amphetamines. Here in southern California
where I reside and where I work, we have quite
a bit of that and temperance. If you want to
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live a long and wholesome life, there are some toxins
that you want to avoid and understanding that is really important.
So this is something that if you stop some of
those things that we're talking about, all of those links
are going to be improved. Air seems kind of obvious.
Early on, I used to think that what this meant
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was getting pure air with absolutely nothing in it except
for just nitrogen and oxygen. That's not true anymore. We
now understand that for you to have the best type
of air, it actually has to come with some things
in it. Just like our gut has a microflora that
you may have heard about, so too does the air
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that we breathe also must have that. And the best
type of air that you can have is actually outside rest.
This is really interesting because we just mentioned that exercise
was pillar, but rest also is. How can rest and
exercise at the same time be pillars of health? And
it really comes down to knowing when to do what sleep,
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which is also part of rest. So we're not just
talking about a daily rest. When you go to sleep,
and as a sleep physician, I can tell you quite
a bit. We have lots of information about how long
we should sleep, the quality of sleep, some of the
diseases that prevent us from sleeping sleep is so important.
I can't I couldn't over express it enough. Not just
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a daily rest, but I would also say and venture
out we can talk more about this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
A weekly rest, a weekly rest, a weekly.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Rest, what do you mean weekend?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Like, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
How many times do we even on the weekend do
we put down our phone?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Never?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Or we stop reading emails and we take the time
out to do things that we would never be able
to do. Finally, trust, So this is something that really
just can't be ignored. And I'll say this upfront that
in the world of research and science, there is a
silo of science and there is a silo of faith.
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But what's what we can ignore is the growing body
of evidence from the scientific world that's peeking over and
looking at faith that people who have faith, and people
who have faith in God, whether that is their God
in that particular denomination, are better apt and able to
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deal with stress and depression and anxiety. So this is
something scientifically that has been shown. Now if you may
have noticed that I did these in a particular order,
and if you go through them, You've got nutrition, you've
got exercise, you've got water, you've got sunlight, you've got temperance,
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you have air, you have rest, and finally you have trust.
You put that together and it spells out new Start.
So interestingly, these particular topics are not copywriter, but there
is a university in northern California called Weemar University that's
actually put these together in that very pattern as called
it new Start.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
They actually have a New Start program, and so this
is something that is actually being used internationally.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Some of these subjects that you just went through there
for this new start framework, where do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I think actually sunlight is one of those things where
I'm excited about all of those, but I think sunlight
is really where we have the Let's put it this way,
it's the lowest hanging fruit.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Okay, explain to me why sunlight is the place where
your focus is at the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's a long trip that has gotten me to that,
and I think part of it has to goes through
right through COVID As a critical care intensivist. When I
heard that there was this virus that was coming, they
all told us that it was going to be people
with respiratory illnesses, which I was certainly comfortable with. But
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that's not what it turned out to be. We certainly
saw people with respiratory illnesses, but what we saw in
the intensive carry on the people that were dying around
me were people with obesity, people with heart disease, people
with kidney disease, people with dementia, people with chronic diseases.
And it made me think, why was that the case.
All of those things have one thing in common, and
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many other things too, but specifically they are rooted in
something called mitochondrial dysfunction. So let me unpack that for you.
And this has to do with longevity. This has to
do with aging. This is a huge topic that is
now just emerging and we're now finding more about this.
So when I was in high school biology, when I
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was in college, we all learned about this little organelle
in all of our cells except for red blood cells,
called the mitochondria. And I have to say it, What
is the mitochondria. It's the powerhouse of the cell, right,
so it's the thing that makes energy. What we didn't
know at the time is that as we get older,
the output from these batteries in our cells drops by
about seventy percent. Can you imagine running your house on
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seventy percent less energy. How fundamentally that would change what
happens in your house, Like you could not run the
laundry the same way. You could not run the microwave
and the laundry at the same time.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And what does that look like in terms of symptoms?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Excellent question, because what it looks like is depending on
the cell type that we're talking about that's going to
have the issue. So if we're talking about the liver,
the liver's going to get more fatty. If we're talking
about the heart, the heart is could become more congested.
If we're talking about the brain, it's going to have
more dementia. And so what's happening here is that as
we get older, the batteries and our cells are not
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working the same way as they used to. Metabolism is
slowing down, and so these are huge issues. And all
of these diseases that I just talked about, all the
ones that we saw in COVID, if you look in
a lot of these diseases, they are rooted in mitochondrial dysfunction.
So the question is is why is that the case
and what can we do about it? So there was
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a paper that came out in twenty nineteen that fundamentally
changed the way I saw this. It was written by
Russell Ryder, who is the executive editor of Melatonin Research.
He's out of the University of Texas, and Scott Zimmermann,
who's a light engineer, and what they set forth was
to show that basically sunlight is made up of so
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many different types of wavelengths. You've got ultraviolet on one end,
which of course makes vitamin D and it's very beneficial.
It's the type of light from the sun that is
very short wave but cannot penetrate very deeply. Let me
back up a little bit and explain. You pull up
to a stop sign, somebody pulls up next to you,
and they're playing the latest hip hop music.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
How does that.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Sound to you in your car? It's very boom boom, right, yeah,
muffled and muffled. And the reason why is because low
wave frequency has the ability to travel very far. Go
to the Grand Canyon and there's a thunderstorm at the
other end of it.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What do you hear?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's like a rumbling and then as it gets closer,
you hear the higher pitch sounds. This is a fundamental
physics principle, and so when the sun is shining, there's
very short wavelengths ultraviolet B involve in vitamin D. But
at the other end, there's this infrared light, which we'll
talk about or red light. It's very long wavelength and
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it can penetrate very very deeply. That's very important because
what we're talking about is the human body, and if
the sun is going to have an effect on the
human body, it's got to be more than just the skin.
So that's exactly what this paper showed is that basically
infrared lights from the sun is able to penetrate probably
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up to about eight centimeters according to Scott Zimmerman in
this article, and it fundamentally interacts with specifically the mitochondria.
And what does it do to the mitochondria? So let's
back up and talk about the mitochondria because this is
central the mitochondria to the cell. Is like the engine
in your car. The engine produces locomotion that causes the
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wheels to spin, but in the process of doing it,
it causes heat to surround the engine and if you
don't deal with that heat, it will shut down the engine.
It will make it more inefficient, and eventually it will
shut it down. So what do all internal combustion engines have.
They have a cooling system, they have a radiator, they
have an oil pan, they have a water pump, and
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that's exactly what the cell has to have. For the mitochondria.
It's not heat in the mitochondria. It's called oxidative stress.
And it's specifically oxidative stress that causes destruction and yeah,
destruction of the mitochondria and leads to these types of diseases.
So oxidative stress causes the mitochondria not to work well.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
This leads to diabetes. Oxidative stress makes the mitochondria not
work so well, this leads to dementia. So there's this
has already been laid out. This is not that controversial.
The controversial part is what do we do about it?
So what these guys in this paper showed was that,
and not just them, but look reviewing the literature, is
that the mitochondria makes its own cooling system, and that
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cooling system is melatonin. Now you might be thinking, wait
a minute, melatonin. Isn't that the isn't that the stuff
that we take that our brain makes right before we
go to sleep. Yeah, that you're it's absolutely correct. That's
what happens. The problem is is that this is not
melatonin that's made in the brain. This is not melotonin
that goes through the blood supply and goes through our
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blood and tells us it's time to go to sleep.
This is melatonin that's made in the cell in the mitochondria,
and it's a powerful antioxidant that basically prevents the oxidative
stress from occurring. What Scott Zerman.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And Russell Ryder showed and proposed in this was that
basically the infrared radiation that's coming in to the body
is able to stimulate and upregulate melatonin and a number
of other factors that keep the mitochondria cool and can
actually improve the energy output of the mitochondria. So this
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was actually mind blowing to me. And I'll tell you
why I resonated with this as a critical care physician,
because there was two things that bothered me the most.
Number one, SARSCOBE two virus. When it comes into the body,
it interacts with someone called the ACE two receptor. You
may have heard about the ACE two receptor. Okay, this
is where the virus actually latches on to the cell
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and gets internalized.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So what is this.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
ACE two receptor.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Is this was this there for all of humanity just
to be a receptor or does it actually have a role.
It turns out it actually has a role. And mind blowingly,
the ACE two receptor is involved in mitigating oxidative stress. So,
in other words, it's another part of the cell's cooling
system for the mitochondria. What's happening is that the virus,
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when it attaches to the cell, is basically eliminating that action.
And so imagine you have a bunch of people with
various different engines running at different temperatures. In other words,
you've got some people with chronic disease, and we know
their engines are running hot. We have some other people
who are completely healthy and they're doing quite well. Their
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engines are nice and cool, they have no problems at all. Now,
imagine COVID comes and STARSCOB two is infecting everybody. What
that tendency is to do is because it's knocking out
everybody's ACE two receptor, which has the ability to cool
down the engine. In other words, it's causing everybody's engine
to run hot. Right, so but in somebody so in
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other words, picture is this way you're driving along in
your car and your thermometer is there, and all of
a sudden, there's this big hilly that you have to
climb called COVID nineteen. Who's gonna make it over that hill?
And who's not going to make it over that hill.
The people that make it over the hill are those
with great cooling engines, whose temperatures are running great. The
ones that don't make it over that hill are the
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ones that have the thermometer on their engine running hot.
Those are the ones that poop out at the top
and can't make it. And they're the ones pulled over
to the side of the road with the hood up
and the steam coming out out of the engine. You
understand what I'm saying. So this makes perfect sense to me.
Why I wasn't seeing what they were predicting. Were's these
respiratory patients coming into the ISSU. Who was I seeing
in the ICU. I was seeing people with dementia as
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we talked about diabetes, kidney disease. These are the ones
that were that were sick. The other thing that really
hit me and resonated with this was and this was
not even controversial. We knew early on in the pandemic
that people who came into the hospital and had higher
levels of vitamin D did really well. They didn't die,
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they didn't have the same chances of dying. People who
had low vitamin D levels, they had much higher levels
chances of dying. So we would check these vitamin D levels.
And so think about this. You're there at ground zero
and you're taking care of these patients and you see
this data over and over and over again that vitamin D.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Is very predictive of who's going to die.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Obviously, what are you going to do even though this
is an associative study, That association doesn't mean causation. You're
gonna be giving people vitamin D and try to get
those levels up. The problem is is that we gave
vitamin D and it really didn't have much of an effect, So.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
You gave it in supplemental.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, people would come into the hospital exactly exactly just
like that. In fact, I was supplementing myself. I mean,
what have you got to lose, right, I already took
my vitamin D tablet this morning. I don't that's very
hard to overdose, but it's possible.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So, yeah, you noticed that it was hard to treat
people with vitamin D but giving them a tablet didn't
really do much.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Why, Well, this is what I believe is the fact
is we saw that people with high levels of vitamin
D or normal levels of vitamin D did better than
those that had low levels. I believe that that was
a marker of something else. In other words, people who
had higher levels of vitamin D meant that they were
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out in the sun more, They were outside more than
those the people that had very low vitamin D levels.
The people with low vitamin D levels were telling me,
these are people that were not getting outside into the sun.
And so what's the real factor here, what's doing the
heavy lifting? And I would propose, and Scott Zimerman and
Russell Ryder would propose, and I can tell you a
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number of other scientists that would agree with me on this,
is that infrared radiation from the sun is causing an
effect the mitochondrial level in terms of oxidative stress, and
that vitamin D was just the marker of who was
getting the infrared light and who was not, who was
going outside and who was not going outside. So when
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the sun is shining for the most part, you're getting
infrared light, you're getting the entire the entire biological spectrum
from the sun. We can go to the longest wavelength,
which is far infrared, all the way to the shortest wavelength,
which is ultraviolet B okay, which makes vitamin D. So
in other words, when you are outside in a natural environment,
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you're getting a very broad spectrum of light. And so
because of that, if you're getting infrared light, you're also going.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
To be making vitamin D. You're getting both.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Now, that can change because in the winter time when
the sun is lower in the sky, especially you know
in England, this is a special issue at that latitude.
When the sun is low in the sky, it's got
the light has to penetrate through obliquely through the atmosphere
and because of that, short wave radiation from the sun,
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like ultraviolet B, does not make it very well. So
there's times of the year where you're not getting enough
ultraviolet B, or maybe even no ultraviolet B from the.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Sun which makes the vitamin D, which makes.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The vitamin D, and that you're going to be deficient.
You need to supplement. However, during that same period of
time when you're not getting enough vitamin D because there's
no ultraviolet ber radiation, that sun is low, but it's
still enough to allow that long wavelength penetrating infrared light
to still come through.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
So is the long wave infrared light the type of
thing that we see these gotchets doing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Absolutely, and I would say, just to be specific, is
because you can see that as red light there. That's
not infrared light because you can see it. So infrared
light technically is completely invisible.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
But these do give out infrared light, but you just
yes see.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It exactly, So it's toward that red end of the spectrum.
And people like Glenn Jeffrey out of UCL is actually
doing research at six hundred and seventy nanometers of red
light and has shown in randomized control trials that that
type of light right there at six', seventy the type
that you can even, see actually does improve mitochondria. Efficiency
he's shown this in a number of randomized control. Trials
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it improves, eyesight and you have to realize that the
retina at the back of your eye is very rich in.
Mitochondria he's shown this in terms of managing glucose and
output from. Mitochondria and the reason why these things work
so well is because what's going on here is as
you get, older your skin starts to become more saggy
(34:47):
because the, fibroblast or the cells in your, skin they're
designed to make, collagen and collagen is the skeleton that
makes your skin soft and. Subtle, yeah, no, no this is
Exactly my wife uses the same. Thing this is a
Fun so what's going on right now is that red,
light which can penetrate very deeply down is going into
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the skin and it is activating the mitochondria in your
fibroblast to produce more, energy which those cells need to deposit.
Collagen and so when you deposit, collagen that's going to
give the skin a more tight feel because as you get,
older that collagen deposition.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Is going to get less and less and.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Less so this is going to help keep me looking.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Young that's the whole point of.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It and you're saying that the light in these penetrates
what six or seven, centimeters.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Or is it infrared does about eight. Centimeters this red
light would be a little bit less because this light
obviously you can see, it so it is a little
bit shorter. Wavelength but, yes this, light the red light
can penetrate deeper than for, instance yellow light or blue,
light and it's this light particularly that interacts with the
mitochondria to increase.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That so should we be putting this all over our
body because, okay it's good for my, skin but if
it's penetrating, deeper presumably the other parts of my body
that would benefit from that another. Mitochondria it's interesting you say.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That the study That i'm referring to With Glenn jeffrey
out Of University College, london he took young people in this,
study he gave them a bunch of, glucose and everybody
who gets a bunch of glucose should have a spike
in their blood. Sugar he randomized them on their backs
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to see what would happen when he shined red light
on their, backs and the people that got the red
light had lower. Spikes in other, words it seemed as
though the mitochondria were metabolizing, faster which caused less of
a spike of the glucose in their. Blood the way
he confirmed that is looking for the byproducts of the mitochondrial,
metabolism which is carbon. Dioxide so when we, breathe when we,
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metabolize we're breathing out carbon, dioxide which is the result
of a mitochondrial, metabolism and in, fact in those people
that had the light, on it showed a higher level
of rbon dioxide in the exhaled. Breath the whole point
of that is to get back to your question is
whether we should putting this all over your. Body he
was able to get that effect systemically with just putting
(37:10):
the light on the. Back that was a systemic. Ability
what we don't understand everything about the mitochondri but what
we do seem to understand is that they can communicate
with each other and that you don't need to have
this all over the body to have systemic. Effects in
this particular, case, though if you want to have the
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skin here to be more younger, looking then it makes
sense that this is where you need to have. It
if you want to have a particular other part of
your body to look younger than perhaps that that's where
the light needs to.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Go so, Interesting how long did it take in those
studies to see the effect of red light therapy like, This.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Well that's a very good.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Question if you talk To Glenn, jeffrey WHICH i, have
he noticed an improvement in fifteen.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Minutes fifteen. Minutes what did he noticed in fifteen? Minutes he,
said he he.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Has studied the mitochondria in, fruitflies in in mosquitoes and,
bees and in human beings and it's the same every.
Time he, says after about fifteen to twenty minutes of
this type of, light in that type of, setting there
is a switch that turns on and you don't need further.
Stimulation further stimulation doesn't do anything. More it's a very bizarre.
(38:22):
Thing you would think that the more light that you,
gave the more the effect would.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Be it's.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Not after about fifteen minutes there's something that changes in the.
Mitochondria there are certain theories about where this might. Be
this might be in the electron transport chain complex. Four
these are very technical. Things there's a lot of studies
that actually there's a number of groups that are actually
looking at. This there's a whole area of science called
photobiomodulation which is looking at. This but fifteen minutes is
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really what it, takes so we're not talking about a
long period of. Time this is really really. Interesting so
getting back to my experience in the intensive care, unit
the VITAMIN d wasn't. Working these patients were, dying and
it became clear to me THAT covid was a metabolic
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issue for these. Patients by the TIME i had realized,
this THE SIRT i, mean the pandemic arguably is still
going on because people are still becoming, infected but the
rush to come into the hospital and the number of
bodies that we were seeing circulating through the intensive care
unit had dropped, Dramatically and at that POINT i was
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able to see that potentially infrared lights may be very
beneficial in these patients WITH. Covid nineteen, now there was
a study In. Brazil they TOOK covid patients that were
sick enough to be admitted to the, hospital but not
too sick to be intubated in an intensive care, unit
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and they did something. Tremendous they actually manufactured a jacket
that they could put on. Patients on the inside of
this jacket were these led bulbs that gave off infrared
radiation at exactly nine hundred and forty. Nanimeters they put
the jackets on and they randomly randomized the sign which
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jacket was turned on and which jacket was turned. Off
it was blinded because the light coming from this jacket
could not be seen by the human.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Eye it wasn't even enough to bruce.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Enough, Heat and so they did this on thirty subjects
and they randomized. Them fifteen did it, fifty all, fifteen
or all thirty had the jackets, on fifteen had it turned,
on fifteen did not have it turned. On and they
watched them what happens to these. Patients every single endpoint
that they looked at was statistically. Significant and what does that.
(40:42):
Mean it means that the differences between these two groups
could not have been from.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Chance there was a real.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Difference the group that had the jacket turned on had
improvement in their oxygen, saturation had could take breaths in
more deeply and, longer had improvements in their white blood,
cells and not only, that had improvements in their heart,
rate their respiratory. Rate all of these statistically, Significant but
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the most important and mind blowing statistic was the length
of stay in the. Hospital so they had these jackets
on for fifteen minutes once a day for seven. Days
in the group that did not have the jacket turned,
on their average length of stay was twelve days in the.
(41:30):
Hospital for those that had the jacket turned, on.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It was eight. Days that was four day.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Difference that's tremendous when you realize that it costs thousands
of dollars to hospitalize. Patients it's a huge amount when
you think about the fact that there are certain drugs
that GET fda approved for, influenza for, instance by just
cutting short the symptoms for twenty four. Hours this is
not just twenty four, hours for people were dish charged
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from the hospital four days. Faster WHEN i saw that,
study that was enough for me to convince. ME i,
mean obviously it was thirty, subjects, right we should do
a bigger. Study we should do ondred a couple, hundred,
right that would be that would be ideal to. Do
but the fact that with just thirty patients they could
show statistical, significance that was enough for me to, say
every patient from now on THAT i see that comes
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in WITH covid nineteen that's hospitalized that they're asking me
to go int debate to bring to MY, icu these
patients are going to get. OUTSIDE i don't have that
jacket that they made In. BRAZIL i don't even know
HOW i would make that. Jacket they made it for the,
study and it's not commercially. Available there's no nine hundred
and forty nanimeter, lights which is what.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
They did in the. Study BUT i do know.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
THIS i do know that sunlights has nine hundred and
forty animeters in, it and IF i could just take
these patients, outside maybe they could.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Improve SO i HAD i got my. WISH i had
a patient on the.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Floor he was on thirty five liters a, minute one
hundred percent oxygen through his high flow through his, nose
barely saturating because he HAD covid. Nineteen AND i was
asked to go see him because he was potentially needing
to be intubated or brought to the intensive carrying. IT
i could not believe it BECAUSE i had not seen
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one of these in. Months SO i went, down walked
into the, room open the. Door it was an. ISOLATION
i had a mask on the whole nine.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yards the room was completely, dark the blind was.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Closed his daughter was, there and the first words out
of his mouth to me, Was, doc how much time
HAVE i? GOT i, mean it was a, catastrophe like
there was no, light no circadian. Rhythm this guy was.
DEPRESSED i immediately called by respiratory, therapists immediately called the charged.
Nurse we got everybody together AND i, said we need
to get this guy. Outside it was a bright and sunny,
(43:46):
Day how are we going to get this guy? Outside
thirty five liters one hundred. Percent my respiratory, Therapist, kim
managed to put a couple of auction tanks together and
we were able to get this guy into a wheelchair
and we wheeled him. Outside and he told me this weeks,
later but he, says you know that first day that
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you got me outside in the, sun because we did
this for like seven days in a, row he said
that felt so. Good he after just one day dropped
down from thirty five liters to fifteen leaders fifteen liters
of oxygen and then down to, twelve and then down
to eight the next, day and then down to five
five days.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
The amount of oxygen he was inhaling to correct.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Correct so in other, words we were tight trading down
the amount of oxygen that we had to give him
to maintain a saturation in the. Nineties in five, days
he was discharged home without. Oxygen, now obviously that's an, anecdote,
right that's not a. Study But i'm looking at the
risks of getting people out in the sun for fifteen twenty.
Minutes there's not a lot of risk to. That and
(44:48):
if there's a. BENEFIT i thought it was worthwhile. Doing
we need to have larger randomized control. Trials but it
got me down the road to looking to see what
was it about sunlight that was affecting this, change and
you know, what there was there's ample. Data there was
a study actually that was done In europe where they
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looked they, said, okay HERE'S.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Covid COVID's going. Up when DOES covid go? Up is
it because of temperature that? Changes is it because of?
Humidity and the answers to both of those were. No
do you know what predicted when countries were to have
their first surge in the autumn of twenty. Twenty there
was a study that was actually done on. This it was.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Latitude it started In finland and then really it went
down the entire. Continent the last country in the in
the autumn of twenty twenty to have A covid surge Was.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Greece so as.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
The sun is literally pulling down into the southern, hemisphere
as the shadow starts to go Over, europe that's when
we start to SEE covid surges one by one by.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
One there was, yeah is.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
That BECAUSE covid and the sun aren't. Friends so if
it makes it harder to, spread because you, know IF
i PUT covid on this table and THEN i put
some light on the, table the cavid is going to.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Die, yeah it's, possible although we now know THAT covid
probably doesn't spread too much through. Contact it's more of
an airborne. Thing so there was a study that was
done out A university Of edinburgh and they looked at
this very question that we had talked about earlier about VITAMIN.
D they looked at The United states in the, wintertime
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and they eliminated the southern part of The United states
because in the southern part of The United states you
can actually get some VITAMIN d in the. Wintertime so
they just looked at the sort of the northern portion
of The United states and they were able to show
that the more sunlights there was in particular, areas the
lower the mortality FROM covid. Nineteen so they, said this is,
(46:42):
interesting what about In? England so they did the exact
same study In england and sure, enough of course they
didn't have to eliminate any part Of england because the
whole country doesn't get in any VITAMIN d in the.
Wintertime what they showed was that again certain parts of
the country In, england as you, know get more sunlight
than other. Parts those areas that got more sunlight had
lower mortality FROM covid. Nineteen then they took the same they,
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predicated the same study and they looked In italy exactly
the same finding and they published this and they said
in their, study and this is what really amazed, Me they,
said the fact if this is, causal they, say they
said that this might actually show a possible public health.
(47:28):
Intervention the fact that it is completely independent of VITAMIN
d means that there's something else going.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
On there was a study in twenty and eleven In. Sweden,
yes is that linked to, This.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
No this is a completely different. Study but that's also
a very important. Study so The swedish study is. Groundbreaking
this was a study where they asked twenty thirty Thousand
swedish women about their habits in. Sunlight and they divided
these women into three, categories those women that did not
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get a lot of, sun those that got a moderate
amount of, sun and those that got a lot of.
Sun and they followed them for twenty years and they
kept the track of each one that died and what
they died, of and when they were done with, that
they were astonished because what they found was that the
women who had spent most spent the large amount of
their time, outside or that spent the most amount of time,
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outside had the least amount of mortality from, cancer from
cardiovascular disease and non cardiovascular, disease and those that spent
the least amount of time outside had the highest levels of.
That the magnitude difference between those two was so much
that they were able to show that women who In
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sweden who spent the most amount of time outside and
smoked had the same mortality as those women that did
not spend as much time outside.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
And did not.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Smoke they were. Equal they were.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Equal in other, words being in that category of not
spending much time outside in the sun was the same
risk factor for death as.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Smoking how do they know it wasn't linked to? Exercise
how are they able to establish? Causation because that's.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
An absolutely that's an excellent.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Question so the difference here as you go up is
this is an association. Study, Okay so the question is
is how can you get causation from? Association you. Can't
but if you look at The Bradford hill. Criteria there
is a way that you can potentially make a strong
argument for causation if there's something called a dose response.
(49:39):
Curve in other, words if you can show you're not
just comparing two, things but you're comparing three or. More
if you can show that as you increase the variable
that there is a change in the outputs that is
strongly suggestive of potentially. Causation by the, way this is
exactly what we did to show that smoking causes lung
(49:59):
Can obviously we can't do a randomized control trial hair
you get to, smoke you don't get to, smoke will
follow up in twenty years to see who has lung.
Cancer this is exactly what we. Did we showed that
there was such a strong association with cancer risk with
smoking that we were able to say through association that
smoking causes lung. Cancer by the, Way Richard, weller who's
(50:20):
a dermatologist In, england did just last year a very
similar study as to The sweetest, study except it was
ten times bigger and he did it with both men and.
Women he found the same. Results it was A Uk biobank.
Study what did he Discover he discovered that either from
(50:40):
from solariums or from or being outside using solar radiation,
data he was able to show both on their questionnaire
and also where they, lived that the more light that they,
had the lower their risk of mortality and cancer. Mortality
(51:01):
so the question was does it increase. Melanoma melanoma is
a skin, cancer so that's the big. Risk that's the
big risk that everybody is concerned. About you go out
into the scut sun and you're gonna get skin. Cancer
and he was able to show in that, study this
was like three four hundred thousand people in this study
Uk biobank Study Richard, weller he was able to show
(51:23):
that there was no increased there's no statistical increased risk
of melanoma, incidents but there was a reduction in non
skin cancer. Mortality, okay so here's the trade. Off if
you want to go out into the sun In. England,
okay the benefits are you're going to have a reduction
(51:47):
in non skin cancer, mortality.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
So everything other than skin cancer.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Correct on the other, hand there's no increase in melanoma.
Incidents so that caused him to write in a bed
and publish it and actually you can look up this
op Ed it's a great op ed published in a
in The journal Of Investigative dermatology Called Sunlight time for A,
rethink where he goes through the arguments and he's actually
(52:14):
shown and there's been a number of changes that people
are making around the. Globe so public health organizations that are, saying,
now you, know before we have said that you know
the sun is a deadly laser and you should avoid
it at all, costs we may need to rethink.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
That so you telling me that essentially fifteen minutes in
the sun every day turns on a switch in my
body that improves my mitochondrial, function which is going to
impact a variety of different parts of my. Health is
that essentially what you're.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Saying essentially, Yes and we're looking and this is in
an environment where where we are spending less and less
and less time to give You to put in, perspective
if we were on A british ship three hundred years,
go AND i came to you AND i, said do
you see this little yellow? Fruit just by eating a
little bit of this yellow, fruit all of this disease
(53:07):
that you're seeing around you with your fellow shipmates is
going to GO a, wait that would seem almost, incredulous,
right but that's exactly the.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Case we.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Are the scurvy of the twenty first century is the
lack of. Sunlight everything is. Inside we avoid the. Outside
we avoid, Discomfort we avoid high, temperatures we avoid low.
Temperatures we used to go out and play. Sports we
now are playing virtual sports on. Pads we have windows
(53:38):
that are specifically, designed especially here in Southern, california to
eliminate infrared light because why infrared light comes in and
it heats. Up one of the interesting things we didn't
mention this about infrared light is the way that we
interact with infrared. Light you can tell this on your.
Own you go outside and close your, eyes you can
tell which side of your body the. Side and the
(54:00):
reason is is because that infrared light not only can
penetrate through your, body it's also penetrating through clothes very.
Easily and you can feel that that heat that you're
feeling is the infrared light going through, this going through the,
clothes going through the, skin and interacting with your heat
receptors that are well below the.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Surface so all of, us.
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i'll put that on the. Screen that's intu it dot
com slash. Expert how long does the Average americans spend
indoors the average brit spend?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Indoors good, question they're almost. IDENTICAL i think The brits
spend a little bit more time outside Than. Americans the
last number For americans was ninety three percent And britz
is ninety two.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Percent will be born to be, OUTSIDE i think so
you think her ancestors probably spent a huge amount of time.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Outside, Yeah and if you think about WHEN i say,
outside that also brings in to play a number of
other of the new start letters that we haven't talked. About,
Exercise you're much more likely to do good exercise. Outside
you're much more likely to get. Airs that's the right
type of air. Outside the other aspect about infrared light
(56:55):
briefly is that trees are highly reflect of infrared. Light
in other, words if you're in an environment where there
are trees are, present you're going to get much more
of this beneficial infrared light than if you're in a concrete.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Jungle so plants like.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
This in, fact the way that we measure the forestation
of The amazon is through satellite imaging that looks at
infrared light because it reflects infrared light.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Back so the.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Best situation to be in is to be outside on
a green on a day where there's lots of green.
Trees we've known for we've known for decades that people
who live in green spaces do much better in terms of,
diabetes do much better in terms of, hypertension, mortality all
of these.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Things, depression, depression all of these. Things, yeah and when
you think about, this you bring up a point in
terms of. Correlation how do we know it's not. Depression
we used to, say, well people who live in green
spaces have more money that people, have they have more
access to. Things maybe that's what we're. SEEING i just
have to take you this. Study there was something called
(58:04):
The Green Heart study In South, Louisville. Kentucky they did
an amazing. Thing they took this four square mile area
In South, Louisville, kentucky urbanized area and they measured EVERYBODY'S.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Hscrp what IS Hscrp highly SENSITIVE c reactive. Protein it's
a marker of inflammation and it's been correlated to bad
things like stroke and heart. Attack so if you have
high levels OF, crp that's not. Good so they measured
Every they measured about seven hundred, people and then they
(58:38):
did something. Extraordinary they purchased eight thousand mature, trees dug
holes and planted eight thousand trees into four square mile.
Area and these are trees with leaves on. Them two years,
later they come back and they measure all seven hundred
people in their study repeat THE hrcrp dropped by thirteen
(59:00):
to twenty, percent which correlated to about a ten to
fifteen percent reduction in. Strokes these people didn't change their socioeconomic,
status they didn't institute an exercise, program and so really
it kind of shoots in the heart the idea that
the advantage that we see with green spaces has to
do with something else that we're not. MEASURING i actually
(59:21):
believe that we'll talk about fresh air, too that things
like these plants but much. Bigger this is kind of
like a bons eye, plant but trees outside they actually
have a. Benefit and what they represent again is these
things that don't leverage the other parts of your body
(59:42):
in terms of the, chains that make all of the
chains bigger because they're having a. Benefit but you can't
get the benefit of this if you're inside a.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
House so what should we do about this in terms
of what changes SHOULD i make in my life to
capitalize on. This this is a breathless brand here is
called Bond. Charge they do these these red light. Devices
they do like red light, saunas, blankets. Masks they're actually
a sponsor of mine BECAUSE i started wearing this AND
i think they found. Out AND i start wearing it
(01:00:12):
because of my. Girlfriend, yeah she was wearing it every,
day AND i got, curious and SO, i AS i always,
Do i'm always super. Skeptical, Sure SO i went on
online and started looking at some of the research AND
i was. Shocked, yeah it made no intuitive sense to
me that a red light mask or any like red
light device could have a, profound like WHAT i see
as a profound impact on my. Health LIKE i didn't believe. It,
yes to start, with it was like woo woo stuff to,
(01:00:34):
me AND i couldn't disprove. It all the, studies many
of which you've, referenced supported that it was having a profound.
Impact and As i've said on this podcast, before my
girlfriends always. Right she's like always ahead of the coup
and always. Right SO i started wearing her, mask and
NOW i have my own from Bond. Charge, yeah do
you recommend these kinds of.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
THINGS i think it's reasonable to. DO i will say,
this if you are getting enough infra red light from the.
Sun what we in, studies not particularly with the, mass
but we find in other things is that these other
areas don't have as much. Efficacy it's almost to, say
if you're on a ship with a bunch of people
with scurvy and you already have a diet that's rich
(01:01:12):
in vegetables and, fruits eating an extra lemon.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Is not gonna be that. Beneficial so what do you?
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Do like a lot of doctors, do we have shifts
that go from seven am to seven. Pm so you're
in the, hospital you're not going to get. Outside so at,
LUNCH i try to get outside as much AS i
possibly can into the sun for my fifteen.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Minutes what if you live in a cloudy, Country so.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
That's a good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Point, clouds because they are water, molecules will absorb a
lot of the infrared. Lights and the problem is is
that that's exactly the type of light that you want to.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Get, however even on a cloudy, day being.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Outside you're going to get more infrared light than if
you were.
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Inside, okay SO i still get the LIGHT i need
when it's, cloudy BUT i just don't get a. Lot, yes,
exactly is there ANYTHING i can do to Get if
it's super cloudy AND i Know i'm going to be,
indoors what DO i do?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Then, yeah so the light the type of lights that
we have inside like these ones like these and and
ACTUALLY i think THE uk and The United states are
very similar in this, regard is that we really can't
get the old incandescent. Bulbs we're ON led or or.
Fluorescent and if you think about what they've done in
terms of these, bulbs the old incandescent bulbs used to
(01:02:29):
give you a very broad, spectrum so all the way
from you, know just near, blue all the way down
into the into the. Infrared the way that they've made
the bulbs more efficient and they, said, hey let's stop
using energy to give off this light that we can't
see and give a very narrow spectrum of light that
we can. See so think about what they've. Done they
(01:02:52):
have for the first time in the history of. Humanity
they are now we are now being exposed to light
in a very arrow spectrum without anything else. Whatever in
the history of, humankind when we light a, candle when
we would go outside into the, sunlight when we would
have a kerosene, lamp we were getting full. Spectrum in other,
(01:03:14):
words we were never getting blue lights without red. Lights
now we're starting to get blue light without red.
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Light so DO i change my.
Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Bulbs it's difficult to do that because you can't pick
up in these incandescent, bulbs which brings me to at
least in The United, states we have laws now that
outlaw the regular selling of incandescent bulbs because of energy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Efficiency oh, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I'm On google now And i've typed an incandescent.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Bulb so there's something called a general service, lamp which
is what the type of bulbs that you could plug.
In but if you decide that you want to get
a bulb that you put into your, microwave or a
bulb that you would do into a type of chandelayer
that's a special type of, chandelier those are still. Available
you can still get incandescent bulbs for.
Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Those what about these kinds of is not an incandescent?
Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Bulb that's that is that is an incandescent bulb again
for these special type of. Lights But i'm talking about
the light like the like the good old FASHIONED a
NINETY i think it's called a light bulb that you
just screw. In those are the one hundred and twenty.
Watts those are getting more. Difficult it's harder to. Find
you can't go down to your home depot and find them.
There So Glenn jeffrey and this is this is a
(01:04:25):
preprint that is he's. Done he actually took people with
that we're working in this environment WITH led. Bulbs he's
actually it's not peer, reviewed it's not published, yet but
it's a. Preprint it's available on the, internet So i'm
not speaking out of. Class and what he did with
twenty two people is he switched out THESE led bulbs
(01:04:47):
and put in incandescent bulbs and there was a there
was a twenty five percent improvement in in color differentiation
in his.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Study what does that? Mean they were.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Able to distinguish colors twenty five percent better than they
were when they were exposed TO. Led WHEN i SAY led,
bulbs these are the bulbs that are high on the blue.
End so why would that be the, retina which is
the back of your eye wherein the light is coming.
In there's these cones that are tremendously metabolically. Active they're constantly,
(01:05:20):
updating sending neuro signals to the brain and there's it's
the one tissue in your body with the most amount of,
mitochondria and it's because they have to supply a lot
of energy as somebody gets, older that mitochondria is not
producing the same amount of, energy and so the ability
of the energy that those cones have to draw on
(01:05:41):
to do their work is, less and so they're not
going to do the job as. Well if you can
perhaps increase the amount of output of energy from those,
mitochondria you could improve the the ability to visually. Perceive
And Glenn jeffrey's done this study of where he for
(01:06:01):
just three, minutes six hundred and sevent nanimeter light very
similar to that mask in the, eye only in the,
morning improved those people's ability to visualize and actually.
Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
See and what does that mean for the broader picture
Of they.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Would be able to distinguish colors better and actually improve their.
Vision that's basically what it. Means and so the question
goes back to the first question that you had at
the very beginning of the, podcast which is what is
the effect of low energy output from the. Mitochondria, well
it depends on what tissue the mitochondria is, in and
so if it's in the, eye then it's going to
(01:06:41):
be a better visual. Perception if it's in the, brain it's.
Dementia if it's you see What i'm, saying so what
we start to see is we start to see that
a myriad of different diseases are affected by THE. SUN
i challenge anyone to do. This if you look at
a publication in The United, States i've seen it where
(01:07:01):
they map out the amount.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Of deaths in a.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Calendar, day cardiac, disease respiratory, disease kidney, disease, pneumonia all
sorts of, diseases infectious, diseases non infectious. Diseases you will
see a very clear. Pattern the maximum amount of deaths
every year occurs within a month after the shortest day
(01:07:26):
of the, year so we're Talking December. January we see
the most amount of influenza deaths at that, time we
see the most amount of cardiac deaths at that, time
we see the most amount of kidney deaths at that.
Time so you might, ask, well that's because that's because
people get together At christmas time and they spread the
(01:07:49):
germs around more and we Have thanksgiving in Late november
here in The United, states and that's what's going. On
the problem is if you look At, australia which is
on the other, end so when is their longest day
of the, Year their longest day of the year is In,
december and that's when they have the least amount of,
deaths despite the fact that they're all getting together For
(01:08:10):
christmas In, december so that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Fly it's exactly the.
Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Opposite the most amount of deaths occur In australia in
The Southern hemisphere In june To.
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
July that's their.
Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Winter and so what you see is deaths are correlated
to the length of the. Day this is the reason
why whenever they have to whenever they show you deaths
in the, year they always have to seasonally adjust.
Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
It and the length of the day is approxy for
the amount of.
Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Sunlight, absolutely you're much more likely to get sunlight on
the longest day of the year than the shortest day the,
year especially when and this is well, known there are some,
months especially in people who are doing shift, work like
seven am to seven. Pm there's literally Like december And,
january you will not see the sun because you are
(01:08:58):
going off to work before the sun gets up and
you're coming home after the sun is long, set so
you're not able to see the. Sun and so you
could go literally weeks without seeing the sun at.
Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
All is there an optimal time of day to get.
Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Sunlight, yes so optimal time of day to get sunlight
would be for those that are concerned about getting damage
from ultraviolet. Radiation as we talked, about when the sun
is low in the, sky that's going to be beneficial
because the ultraviolet cannot penetrate obliquely through the atmosphere as
(01:09:34):
well as long wavelength.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Radiation so when.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
The sun is coming up so in the mornings in the,
mornings and when the sun is going down in the,
evenings that's going to be the time where you're going
to get proportionally more infrared light and the least amount
of ultraviolet. Light, now when the sun is directly overhead at,
noon you're going to be getting the most amount of
infrared light at that, time but you're also going to
be getting a lot of ultraviolet. Radiation and so if
(01:09:57):
you're not someone that's gone out into the sun a,
lot you may want to avoid this period of, time
or as we talked, about put on a broad rimmed,
hat put on, CLOTHES i mean more, clothes because as we,
said ultraviolet light does not penetrate through clothes very, well
but infrared light.
Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Can doesn't matter where the sun is hitting on my, body.
Shouldn't so IF i go outside And i'm wearing a big,
hat it's obviously going to cover my, eyes my. Face,
yes it'll be hitting my.
Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Legs for the purposes that we're talking about with the,
mitochondria it will not. Matter, however if we're talking about circadian.
Rhythm if we're talking about getting the circadian, rhythm that
pathway is through the. Eyes so you want to maximize
light through the. Eyes, Yeah so this type of a
light is called the sad. Light so your question had
to do with what part of the body doesn't need
to touch so or need to be. Touching so for
(01:10:48):
the effect of the mitochondria and the metabolic, effects it
should not.
Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Matter.
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Okay for this type of a, light, though what we're
looking at is circadian, rhythm and that's a completely different
system that we're talking.
Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
About that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Mitochondrial that has to do with the internal clock that's
in your brain that is regulating when all of these
things in your body. Happens and this light is about
ten thousand. Lucks lucks is a way of measuring the
brightness of, light and what studies have shown is that
when you shine this type of a light into your.
Eyes it's the way of adjusting your circadian. Rhythm you
(01:11:26):
if you have a clock and it's not set to
the right, time there's a little thing at the back
that you can pull out and you can change the.
Time that pulling out and changing the time about when
things happen in your body is affected most by, light
and light can actually shift it one way or the,
other depending on when you're shining that. Light if you're
shining the light in the morning, time and this is
(01:11:46):
what a lot of people do is they'll use these
these what they CALL sad. LIGHTS sad stands for seasonal affective.
Disorder these, lights especially in the, morning have a way
of not only setting your circadian, rhythm making sure it's on,
track but also reducing. Depression there's a portion in your
brain that receives light informations called the perihebenular. Nucleus it's
(01:12:10):
a long, name but it's back there and if it
doesn't get, stimulated it can cause. Depression and so for
people who live at high, latitudes further, away closer to the,
poles where the sun is getting up very late in
the morning and they're already off at work inside this
can actually be very. Beneficial so WHAT i would recommend.
Doing you can pick these up pretty cheaply On amazon
(01:12:31):
for about twenty, bucks but they should generally be about
eleven to sixteen inches from your, face and what people
should be getting is about three thousand lux. Hours and
WHAT i mean by lux hours is you multiply the
lux times the amount of hours that you're wearing. It
so three thousand is where you ought to. Be because
this is ten thousand. Lucks you only have to look
(01:12:54):
at it for about a third of an hour or twenty,
minutes and that should be.
Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Enough so is this a replacement for going out?
Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Side it's a replacement for going outside because of the
fact that you're living at a very high latitude and
the sun is not, up and because of the job
that you have it it's going to have that. Effect
but realize that this will not replace the effect that
the sun has on your. Mitochondria this is only to
affect the effect that lack of sunlight has on.
Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Depression, okay, yes what If i'm looking at the sun
out of a.
Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Window it depends on the, window so you're not still
the window is going to be reducing the amount of
luck SO i would not. Recommend if you, CAN i
would not. RECOMMEND i would not say that staying inside
looking out the window is the same as going.
Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Outside that's number.
Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
One the other thing that you have to understand is
a lot of these, windows especially if they're modern, windows
will be specifically designed to reduce infrared.
Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
LIGHT i want you to give some any information you, Have,
yeah as it relates to light. Health, yeah that will
improve my. Life things THAT i can actionably do. Tomorrow
obviously one of them is That i'm going to go
outside and make SURE i get some sun like idly
in the. Morning, yes we talked about this sad for,
people especially that live in certain countries which have less
sunlight correct to set the circadian rhythm and to help
(01:14:07):
with things like mental. Health is there anything ELSE i
should be thinking about or can do or. Change.
Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yes, so just like we had in our mnemonic of new,
start rest and exercise both at the same, time and
then yet they're sort of like opposite of each. Other
it's important to have. Darkness, okay it's important to have,
darkness and.
Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
This is a real.
Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Issue this is one of the biggest issues is the
fact there was a study that was published recently and
the title was dark days and bright, nights and that
correlated with increased.
Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Mortality so that's how most of us. Live that's the.
Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Problem we have dark days and we have bright, nights
and what we really should be having is bright days
and dark. Nights so just as important as it is
to have bright sunlight and getting outside in the middle
of the, day we also need to start working on
getting darker nights as.
Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Well and how do we do?
Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
That turning things, off getting these screens away from our.
Eyes these are really important because the screens have a
lot of light and the. Light what's going on? Here
this is the reason why it's. Important there's two reasons,
actually is the light that's going into our eyes is
doing two things at. Night number, one it is shutting
(01:15:17):
down melatonin production from the pineal. Gland and as we
just talked, about melatonin's a very powerful antioxidant that's very.
Beneficial the second thing that it's doing is it's confusing
your circadian. Rhythm you, see your circadian rhythm is designed
to see light as. Day if your eyes are seeing,
light your brain thinks it's the. Day so if it's
(01:15:39):
ten o'clock at night and your eyes are seeing. Light
your circadian rhythm is, SAYING i must have made a.
MISTAKE i thought it was ten. O'clock it must not
be ten o'clock because, look there is. Light and so
what it's going to do is it's going to adjust
itself and delay everything because it's, saying, well it can't
be ten o'clock at, night it must be six.
Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
O'clock and so there.
Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
For when you would normally feel tired and sleepy at
ten o'clock at, night after a number of days of doing,
this you're not going to feel sleepy until one o'clock
in the.
Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Morning these devices we, have they spin out a lot
of blue, light, right, yes is there a way to
turn that? Off?
Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, well actually a lot of these come with the
tied to the, clock where after a certain time of
night it will shift it's a spectrum to a more red,
spectrum so it's giving you less blue. Light the problem
is is that while the sensor in your eyes are
tuned more to blue, light it's not just blue. Light
(01:16:39):
so really the, solution the best solution is to turn
off the. Light the next best solution is to have
more of a red, shift or you, know put these
glasses on at. Night so these are blue. Blockers they're
trying to eliminate. Blue But i'm still getting light in
and that's enough light to shut down melatonin.
Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Production so even with those, on, yeah, Absolutely but you're
telling me these.
Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Help they're better than not turning off the, light.
Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
And you're SAYING i still get light in because there's
light coming over.
Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
There even that light there is still going to bleed
and it's going to bleed into that part of the
spectrum and cause melotonin to be shut.
Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Down.
Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah so it's just the eyes the sort of the
broometer for correct what time of day is.
Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Correct and the problem is is that even when you
close your, lids light can still get through the.
Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Lids what do you think of these sleep. MASKS i
THINK i.
Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Think they're great in terms of the fact that we
now know that closing your eyelids still can allow some
light to go. In so if you're in if you're
sleeping in an environment where you know light is out
of your, control if you're living in the city and
you can close your blinds but there's still light that's coming,
in these things could actually be very. BENEFICIAL i don't
(01:17:51):
recommend night lights in bedrooms you don't, recommend do not
even even clock radios or air conditioners WITH led displays on.
Them that's that's just like total light pollution to your.
Bedroom your bedroom should be as dark as. Possible what
IF i.
Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Have those lamps that don't have blue light in, them
BECAUSE i think my girlfriends put some of those by the. Bed,
yeah they they still look.
Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Great, again the best thing is no. Light the second
best thing is light with no blue light in, it
and then the worst is.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You, know blue.
Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Light what about candle? Light that's.
Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Interesting there was a study that was done where they
compared someone reading at night with a book with a
light bulb shining on it versus THE led you, know
like a kindle or. Whatever, okay what they found was
that there was a lot more light coming out of
the kindle than there was just reading the book with
the with the, lamp and it read and it delayed
(01:18:48):
sleep on.
Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Set so which delayed sleep on? Set the?
Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Kindle the?
Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Kindle, yeah it delayed sleep on enough to actually shut
down actually delay the circadian rhythm and shut down melotonin.
Production so the answer to your question is candlelight's? Great
the only Thing i'd be concerned about is just the fire.
Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Risk, yeah you fall asleep with that thing. Exactly so
the adjacent topic there was VITAMIN, d which we touched
on a little. Bit do VITAMIN d supplements? Work, oh,
yeah certainly they do. Work, Oh i've tested.
Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Them, yeah there's a number of studies that have come.
Out martineau actually published in The British Medical. Journal this
was back before twenty. Twenty it was a meta analysis
of randomized control trials showed that people who supplement every
day with VITAMIN d had lower risks of acute chest.
Syndrome the other, one there was a recent study that
came out that showed that people who supplemented with two
(01:19:36):
thousand international units a daily of VITAMIN d had a
lower risk of all cause autoimmune. Conditions we're talking rheumatoid,
Arthritis crohn's, disease alterative, colitis you name. It that was
a study that came out that we actually reviewed that
on our medcram channel.
Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Because i've heard before in the past that lot of
vitamin supplements we take don't even get into our bloodstream
and into elve. Bodies.
Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Yeah so so VITAMIN d is very. Interesting it is
a supplement and it is a vitamin but it's also a.
Hormone it's it's it actually MANIPULATES dna, production so it's
it is quite. Interesting but these these are are well
described randomized control. Trials so if you're looking at the autoimmune,
(01:20:22):
condition this was actually a study that was designed.
Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Looking at cardiac.
Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Disease they actually had two, arms one with omega fatty
acids and in VITAMIN, d and they showed that in
the VITAMIN d group there was a statistically reduction statistically
significant reduction in autoimmune. CONDITIONS i supplement with VITAMIN. D
i just here's the here's the CONCERN i have is
(01:20:47):
if you are going to supplement with VITAMIN, d make
sure that you get your levels. Checked what the reason
is is because it is a fat soluble vitamin and
it is possible to take too.
Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Much.
Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Happens if you take too, much it.
Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Can affect calcium metabolism and you can have issues with
calcium too high levels of. Calcium it's very, rare but
it can. Happen AND i don't mean to say that
in a sense THAT i WOULD i dissuade people from,
supplementing BECAUSE i think supplementation can be. Good but at
some point you want to get a level check to
see where you. Are the other reason is because based
(01:21:24):
on your body habitists based on your skin. Color because
people who with darker, skin it's harder for them to
make their own VITAMIN. D they need to be more time,
outside especially if they're at high.
Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Latitudes so like me living in THE, uk, EXACTLY i
need to be outside.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
More it's going to be harder for you to make
as much VITAMIN d as somebody, who for, instance if
you were living at a lower latitude or if you
had lighter.
Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Skin, yeah what is VITAMIN d doing in my? Body?
Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Ah good.
Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Question lots of things so VITAMIN. D if you were
to look at the structure of VITAMIN. D, ACTUALLY i
actually did research on this interestingly in, college used to
make starting material for the graduate. Students it's a lipid soluble,
molecule and because it's lipid, soluble it's able to go
right through into the nucleus and actually go onto THE
(01:22:10):
dna and combine with proteins that actually affect the transcription
of YOUR. Dna so in other, words depending on which
cell type we're talking, about it can cause a lot
of interesting. Changes so it affects calcium. Metabolism there's VITAMIN
d receptors on your immune, system so it affects your immune,
(01:22:31):
system affects calcium, metabolism a whole host of.
Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Things my team did some research and found that approximately
one billion people globally have a VITAMIN d. Deficiency now
it's about fifty percent of the global population has insufficient
levels of VITAMIN.
Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
D, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah so the issue is is that as the world
becomes more, industrialized as the world becomes more well, off
they're able to create dwellings and they're able to air
condition those, dwellings and we as human, beings tend to avoid.
Extremes we don't like things too, hot we don't like
things too. Cold, well let's face, it in our, cars
(01:23:09):
we have something called climate. Control we can set, that
we can set the temperature and that's what the temperature
is going to be. There there's other implications which we
can talk about in terms of, hydrotherapy perhaps if we
get to. That but the issue is is we don't
like those. Extremes we don't like going out into the,
sun and when we don't do, that we suffer the.
Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Consequences is there a way for me to get VITAMIN
d without supplementation and without going into the.
Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Sun, yes it's in certain foods as. Well mushrooms for,
instance certain types.
Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Of fish they have VITAMIN d in them as.
Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Well this is a strange, question but do you think
our body knows which foods we're deficient? In and, really
What i'm saying there, is If i'm VITAMIN d, deficient
do you think there's a part of my body that
knows THAT i need to eat? Mushrooms it's a good,
question and that makes me hungry for. MUSHROOM i don't
know about that.
Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
PARTICULARLY i can say this, though in people who don't
get enough, sleep we tend to have a predilection to eating.
Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
More horrible hydrate rich.
Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Foods that one we do, know, okay and we can
and this is the reason why people who do this
is the reason why many scientists believe that people who
don't get enough sleep tend to have food choices that
tend to put weight.
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Us from then you start. Framework which one are you
compelled to talk? About? Next?
Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Water?
Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Water, yeah, okay so tell me what you mean by
water because people will, think, YEAH i drink enough.
Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Water, well first of, ALL i don't think we do
drink enough. Water but what everyone talks, about you, know
the internal use of, water and it makes, sense but
AS i was talking about, before the external use of
water can actually be very, impressive and it has to
deal with a body temperature and it has to do
with the immune. System so we'll talk about, water but
(01:25:53):
let's sort of set the framework for that. Conversation your
immune system is broken up into two, feet into two.
Types there's the innate immune system and the. Adaptive we've
become very familiar with the adaptive immune system DURING covid
because all of the talk was about antibodies and antigens
and the fact that sarscov two was mutating and would
the vaccines that made antibodies against them be still functional
(01:26:18):
all of, that where we have like where we literally
have a key with a keyhole that it fits into
and turns the, lock and these antibodies and they. Fit
that's all the adaptive immune. System it's very, important but
it completely eliminates or removes from discussion the innate immune.
System the innate immune system is really the body's first,
(01:26:38):
defense and what's happening there is there's these cells that
are circulating cells like monocytes and natural killer cells and
a number of other cells which scour the body always
looking for something that looks foreign to, it and it
can tell based on the molecular patterns of these invaders
(01:27:01):
that they're not supposed to be there and they should
be eaten. Up the major effector of this innate immune
system is something called. Interferon interferon is a very important
molecule in the, body and it is. Effective it is
so effective at preventing viral infections that just about every
(01:27:26):
single viral infection that plagues the human body today has
a defense mechanism against.
Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Interferon it is a.
Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Prerequisite there's no self respecting virus that can think that
it can infect the human body without dealing with the
issue of.
Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Interferon.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Period think about interferon as the security guard at the,
bank and if you are wont to rob a, bank
you've got to have a plan for how you're going
to deal with the security, guard otherwise you're not getting the.
Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Money does that make.
Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Sense.
Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah so there was actually an article that was published
a couple of years ago where they talked about this
battle between interferon and emerging viruses and what viruses are
doing to try to get around. Interferon you may recall
that back in two thousand and, two we had an
outbreak of something CALLED, sars which especially was pretty bad In,
(01:28:18):
china but also In.
Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Canada the reason why we were.
Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Able to secure that outbreak was because that everybody who
came down WITH sars developed a, fever and so it
was easy to tell who those people were and we
were able to hospitalize and isolate. Them the issue With
Stars kobe, two and indeed many infections like the common,
cold is that you don't necessarily get a, fever and
(01:28:45):
fever is really, important and you're, like what does this
have to do with? Water we're going to talk about.
This interferon production goes up with, temperature and in, fact
the body's fever mechanism is one of the ways that
it tells the body that it needs to increase interferren
(01:29:06):
to deal with the viral.
Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Infection is that why you feel, hot.
Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
You feel, hot you may actually feel. Cold and the
reason why you might feel cold and even have chills
is because the way you feel is a product of
what your temperature is and what your thermostat in your
body is set. To so if your body in your
if your body's thermostat is, saying, okay here we are
at ninety eight six OR i guess in terms of.
Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Celsia's thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Degrees and you develop an, infection the body is going to, say,
whoa we have an infection and we need to increase
the body. Temperature we're going from thirty seven degrees or
ninety eighty six up to thirty eight degrees or one
hundred point. Four because your actual body temperature is below
where your body wants it to. Be you're going to feel.
Cold you're going to shiver to try to increase that.
(01:29:52):
Temperature so you go up with. That, now once the
fever is done and the infection is done and it comes, down.
Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
You're going to have you're going to break a.
Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Sweat so that's why when someone, oh he's, sweating that
means the fever is. Breaking that means your temperature is coming.
Down so typically you'll feel, cold you'll feel like you're,
shivering you'll want to get into bed and put the covers,
on and that's when your temperature goes. Up and that's
for a reason because what happens when the temperature goes
up in your body is that creates an environment where
(01:30:22):
the virus that can't replicate very. Well all viruses really
cannot replicate very well at high, temperatures including starscov. Two
it's also a signal to your body to produce more.
Interferon so there was a study that was published last
year where they looked in, mice which by the, way
have the same body temperatures we, do and they found
(01:30:43):
that there was like five different regulatory, proteins all of
which led to one end, point and that was to
produce this thing called. Interferon all of them jumped in
production when your body went from thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Degrees to eight. Degrees that's basically right below a. Fever.
Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Right, so the the take on point THAT i got
from all of that was that we should not really
be treating fevers unless they're so high that there's other
complications that could, occur like you, know racing heart rates
or or having.
Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Seizures but we do this all the.
Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Time we treat fevers because it makes us feel, bad
and we think that by treating the fever will feel.
Better but what we're actually doing is we're cutting the
legs out from our immune. System because part of the
immune system response is to generate a, fever and the
fever generates interferre. On NOW i don't want to overstate,
this but let's compare the innate immune system to the
(01:31:43):
adaptive immune.
Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
System the adaptive immune system is pretty specific for a
particular variant of a, virus and for a virus that
mutates very, rapidly like Stars kobe, two the immunization may
be very good in terms of, binding but if that
that virus, mutates that binding is going to be affected
in some. Way it may not affect, hospitalization but maybe
(01:32:06):
in terms of preventing. Infection you don't understand What i'm.
Saying so the different.
Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Variants we had the alpha, variant then we had the delta,
variant then we had, omicron et.
Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Cetera those are material changes.
Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
For the adaptive immune, system for the innate immune, system for,
interferon it doesn't. Matter interferon is just as effective against
alpha as it was for, delta as it would be for.
Omicron so let's set this up.
Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Again. Water we said that water has a very high specific,
heat which means that IF i apply hot water onto
the human, body it's able to transfer. Heat this is
why people can get burned with boiling. Water we don't
obviously want to burn, anybody but if we're able to
put them into a, sauna if we're able to put
(01:32:54):
them into a, spy if we're able to use hot
towels and apply it to the human body to heat
up their to cause a. Sweat in other, words if
we're able to induce artificial fevers in patients who have these,
infections there seems to be evidence that the interferre on
response will be.
Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Better there was a study that was done looking at
lymphocytes and taking them out of the human body and
at different. Temperatures once it hit about thirty eight thirty nine,
degrees there was off the charts tenfold increase in interferre,
on which is exactly what you would want to. Have,
now how DO i know that interferre on levels are
so important in things LIKE covid. Nineteen, well there was
(01:33:34):
a study that was done that showed that high levels
of interferon correlated with more MILD SARS covid two, infections
and that people that had low interfere on levels had
very SEVERE covid nineteen.
Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Infections so you suggesting that we should be in the
sauna more, Often.
Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Yes and it's based on data that has been well
documented in the finished sauna. Realm so people who use
sauna four or, five, six seven times a week are
more likely to have less death from cardiovascular disease than
(01:34:15):
people who use sauna once a. Week And finland once
a week is kind of the.
Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
Standard and why do they say to do hot and
cold therapy?
Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Together so they WOULD i would argue that the reason
why it has been argued to do, this and this
goes back to a number of papers that have been
written back over one hundred years, ago is what you're
doing when you're doing hot for a long period of,
time let's say twenty minutes in the, sauna and what
you're doing is you're heating up the body and the
(01:34:44):
whole purpose of that is to increase the body.
Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Temperature what the.
Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Cold that the end does is it does two, things they.
Believe the first thing that it does is it causes
vase of. Constriction so you put a brief amount of
cold onto the, body it's going to cause vase of
constrictions superficial so that when you're, done you're not going
to lose as much heat through those blood, vessels and
so you're going to keep the core body temperature higher
(01:35:09):
for long which is exactly what you want to. Do
the other thing that cold water, does again is the
vase of. Constriction it's well known that when you take
a cold, shower your blood vessels. Constrict and when you
look at a blood vessel on end in a person
who's living and, circulating there are a number of white
blood cells that are latched on to the inside surface
(01:35:31):
of that blood. Vessel when that blood vessel, contracts a
lot of those white blood cells that were stuck get
kicked off into circulation and they go off and they
do whatever it is that they're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Do it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Demargination so two. Things for cold right at the, end
doesn't have to be very, long maybe just a. Minute
it causes actually to keep your body temperature higher for, longer.
Ironically and number two. Demargination so that's.
Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Water which is the w.
Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Of?
Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
These which one do you want to pick? Next which
ones you find most. Compelling let's talk about air real.
Briefly so we said that air is not just the
lack of toxins but actually. Benefits so first of, all
we want to have good. Oxygen we want to get
rid of carbon, dioxide especially in buildings when there's no,
(01:36:20):
ventilation that's not. Good but there's been an actually a
number of studies looking at plants and trees and the
fact that they can give off things like phyton.
Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Sides what's that these our aromatic compounds that the tree
actually gives. Off and when we look to see the
effect of these compounds on the human, body they're actually very.
Beneficial they interact with our immune system and elevate our immune,
system and it actually can make us more. Relaxed there's
a lot of data in The japanese literature on, this
(01:36:50):
in the what they call The hanoki cypress forests where
they looked at these. CEOs there's a podcast about. CEOs
there's these CEOs In, japan and they took them from
their their jobs and basically took them up into the
mountains of The Hanoch cyprus and had them walk, around
took blood, tests and they found that the natural killer,
(01:37:11):
cells which are so important in terms of, immunity were
not only increased in, number but they were also the
the the the enzymes within them that break down diseases
or viruses were also. Increased so when they brought them
back down to the city In. Japan they put them
(01:37:31):
up in hotels and they infused some of these these,
chemicals these naturally produced phytin sides they're, called and they
had almost exactly the same effect in these in these.
Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Subjects so you think plants and being out in nature
can actually be giving us much more than just clean.
Air it's giving us chemicals which help us fight. Disease absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
So so again here's this dichotomy inside versus. Outside what
do you get when you're. Outside we've already talked about,
Exercise we've already talked about, sunlight and now we're adding.
Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
To it fresh.
Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Air not just the fact that you have low, pollutants
which is certainly very, important but the fact that when
you're around green, plants when you're around green, trees there
could actually be a. Benefit by the, way the benefit
that they found lasted for about seven, days so just
going out one day a week can actually have that.
Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
BENEFIT i think a lot about carbon dioxide because, obviously
BECAUSE i spent a lot of time sat in the
studio recording and this is our BIG la, studio but
in THE uk it started in a really small, room,
yes and there was an air, conditioning and OBVIOUSLY i
sit here sometimes for several hours with a, guest and
we're RECYCLING co two at that. Point, yes and Then
(01:38:47):
i've read a couple of studies that showed the impact
that would have with my cognisive. Performance, yes that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
True we actually had on our channel With meg crom
we had Doctor Joseph allen out of The Harvard Public
school Of health and he showed. US i mean he
literally had THE co two meter and just by cracking
the window just a little bit allowed carbon dioxide to
escape and brought down those carbon dioxide. Levels so very important,
(01:39:13):
Absolutely and for.
Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
People that work in offices or you, know travel in
hotel rooms or are inside a, lot what should they
be thinking about and how can they go about making
sure that the air quality is.
Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Optimal, well the surrogate for that is carbon, dioxide as we,
Mentioned so is cracking open a window if they're able,
to if there's a door that they can open up
safely without compromising. Security these are all things that would
be very, Beneficial even rolling down the window in the
car and maybe taking making sure that we're taking the
(01:39:45):
recirculation button off're when we're.
Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Driving i've got friends that won't stay in certain hotel
rooms unless the window, opens because you, know in a
lot of hotel rooms especially you've got a high up
you can't open the. Windows and there's also a bunch
of devices that we in OUR uk studio which is,
smaller we found On amazon for you, know not super,
expensive that we just sometimes put on the floor in
the studio just to, see, yeah how we're. Doing i'll
link some of that stuff on screen if anyone's interested
(01:40:09):
in getting seeing what THE c two levels are in
whatever room you're working. In, yeah what is what's next
on your? List then?
Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Here well we've talked about i mean, exercise, nutrition. Temperance
these are things that a lot of people talk. About
not many people talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Trust when you say, trust you really mean religious faith.
Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
And religious faith something that would give you a way
of dealing with stress and. Anxiety that's really where this comes.
Down and there's been actually a number of studies that
have looked at. That so, yeah basically The, bible or
it doesn't have to be The bible as, well there's
there's other faith denominations that look into this as. Well
(01:40:47):
a number of studies that have looked at trust In
god and how that relates to. Anxiety so a number
of studies have shown that people who have a good
faith and trust in a god that is or in
a religion that is supportive and not non, supportive can
they have less, anxiety less, depression have a faith community
(01:41:09):
that they can engage with and be. Supportive AND i
think that that the literature is whereas you have the
science behind that is not as strict as it would
be for like a, randomized specific controlled. Trial there's a
lot of associations that you have to say here that
it certainly is one of those pillars THAT i believe.
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Helps with all of those. Links what do.
Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
You think is going on? There so you're telling me
that from what the literature is, saying people who have
a faith in a, god, yes are insulated from depression
and anxiety in some interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Way, yeah that's a question that a lot of people
have tried to, answer and they believe that it comes
down to if you have a trust in A god
that is looking out for you and is there on your,
side then that type of a relationship does lead is
A so let's SAY i shouldn't say it does lead
to because that implies. Causation let's say it's associated with
(01:42:06):
a reduction in depression or reduction and anxiety, particularly there
is an there are some studies that have been, done
particularly In, christianity where there was a study that was.
Published this Is kraus and out OF i Believe university
Of texas where he did a survey and he asked
people how they, forgive and he basically divided them to
(01:42:32):
two different. Groups there were people that would forgive conditionally
and people that would forgive. Unconditionally let me put it
into practical. Terms someone does something to you and you,
say that's, OKAY i forgive. You the question is would
you forgive That there are some people that would only
forgive if that person came back, and you, know did
some sort of act of, contrition like, Okay i'll forgive
(01:42:52):
that person they came back and, apologized Or i'll forgive
that person they came back and they did you, know
whatever it. Is that would be considered conditional. Forgiveness the
other type is unconditional. Forgiveness so in other, words someone
does something to, you you don't see them, again or
or they've never expressed any kind of you, know being
apologetic for what they, did they still get. Forgiven so
(01:43:14):
that's unconditional. Forgiveness what they found in the study when
they divided that is that the people that forgave unconditionally
had less, depression they had less feelings of, inadequacy they
had less anxiety regarding end of, life they had they
had all of, these they had more the people that
(01:43:36):
forgave conditionally had more somatization of. Depression so these were
real medical uh you, know things that they could actually
diagnose with surveys and and tests that are well. Validated
and and what what would decide between these two was
how they. Forgave so they were puzzled by. This they,
(01:43:56):
said well, what, well, well then what determines whether or
not someone is going to forgive can conditionally versus. Unconditionally
so they looked at a bunch of factors and none
of them stood out except for. One and the odds
ratio on this was like two point. Five and it
boiled down to this one, question do you believe That
god has forgiven?
Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
You that was that was the major.
Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Thing if somebody believed that The god that they had
faith in had forgiven, them they were two and a
half times more likely to forgive somebody, unconditionally which meant
which then was associated with all of these other things being,
low like less, depression less. Anxiety so to, me that's
(01:44:40):
that's fascinating that in their minds this is what's actually.
Happening and so there have been randomized control trials where
they have when people are doing, therapy like you, say
heavy of, anxiety there is cognitive behavioral therapy that we
can do for those. People but what has been shown
in a randomized place of controlled fashion is that if
(01:45:01):
somebody is of a faith and you inject into that
cognitive behavioral therapy aspects of that, faith the cognitive behavioral
therapy is even more. Effective SO i GUESS i should
preface this by SAYING i don't believe that any of
(01:45:22):
this stuff should be placed on people without their. Permission
So i'm. WORKING i work in a healthcare. Environment so
DO i go and pray for people who don't? Believe,
no this is something that always has to be, done
has to be asked.
Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Permission do you, Think, yeah people.
Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Who believe In god are healthier generally all other.
Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Factors it would seem that data would indicate that people
who have a healthy relationship with their, church who have
a healthy relationship In god are associated with less disease.
Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Because from a causation point of, view you could say.
Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Causation, yeah so this is what we don't.
Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
They probably have more. Friends they probably Have.
Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Yeah so the question is is whether or not people
who are healthier and have more friends are more likely
to be religious or is it the other way? Around
and sometimes it's difficult to tell those.
Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
THINGS i imagine there's a great calming force that comes
from believing in a high, power.
Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Absolutely and the other thing that the other thing that's
interesting about all of these like new start stuff is
when you look at other particular religions house a lot
of these things are actually incorporating. This, like for, instance
The hindus are very famous for getting up in the
morning and welcoming the, sun and we just talked about
the benefits of. Sunlight we didn't talk too much about,
(01:46:45):
nutrition but fasting is an important part of, that And
muslims are obviously part of their religion is actually doing
fasting during.
Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Ramadant so religions have hot and cold practice as, well don't. They, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Yes and on the flip side THAT i would say
that it's also shown that if you have an unhealthy
relationship LIKE i have if you believe in a god
who is vindictive or who's out to get, you or
who's going to do something to, you unless you do
something else that has also been shown to be negatively.
Impactful so it depends on the relationship that you've got.
Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
What you see in your practice because you said something
earlier that you're often there at the end of people's.
Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Lives, Yeah, unfortunately Sometimes i'm the last person they, see.
Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
And it's you start to realize that you.
Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
CANNOT i mean that death is, inevitable and all we
do in medicine is delay the. Inevitable so what we
try to, do AND i have a colleague who's very
philosophical about, this is we try to make sure that
when these things, happen that they happen with, dignity and
we celebrate the person's life and making sure that it's
(01:47:56):
done in the way that they would want to have it.
Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Done what do people say as that about to, Die.
Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
People become Very it's very different for different, people but
they can become very circumspects and And i've seen such
such contrasts where people are ready to, go people feel
like they've they've done what they've come to. Do and
they don't want anything further to, do like we're there
to to delay, death, right we're there to put them
(01:48:25):
on a ventilator or to give them this. Medication and
you would be surprised people who, look you, know relatively,
healthy but and something is happening that we could easily.
Correct they're, like, NO i don't want. THAT i choose
not to have. That and we have to respect obviously
what they what they. Choose obviously we have to educate
them to make sure that they're making the right. Choice but,
(01:48:45):
once once they have given all the, information ultimately they're
the one that makes the.
Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Decision so you, see people choose death.
Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
When we can intervene in artificial, ways they would rather
not have, that and they would choose.
Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Death, yes are there any particular cases that changed?
Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
You, yeah, yeah there.
Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Was there's there was a case that changed, me but
not in the way that we've just been talking about
where it was.
Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Horrible this is this is actually a.
Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
Miracle i've actually seen a miracle, happen and for, me
it happened early in my, training so it it made
me think twice about being a prognosticating, physician this domesticating. Physician, yeah, saying,
oh you're never going to walk, again or or you've
only got two years to.
Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
LIVE i MIGHT i must have missed that day in med.
SCHOOL i just didn't show up that. Day this was
a young.
Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Guy he was he had he had testicular cancer and
he went to the. Operation the testicular cancer surgery was a. Success,
unfortunately during the, operation something. Happened he didn't get enough
oxygen to the brain and he came out of the
operation with with an oxic injury at the. Brain this
guy must have been in his twenties and he had
(01:49:53):
a young. Wife AND i had come onto the rotation
as a AS a as a, resis and we had,
attendings and you have to realize in medicine you have
attendings above, you and what they say is just you,
know that's that's the, word that's what. Happens and and
the ic you, attending we were the ones that were
sort of taking care of the patient because he was
on a. Ventilator but there was the neuro neurologist who
(01:50:15):
looked at everything, says, look this guy is not waking.
Up he has severe anoxic brain. Injury we've looked at the.
Scans this is what's going to? Happen and so every
day we'd ran on this guy and he was just
he was just a shaking.
Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Mess he was just. There he was just kind of
shaking his, eyes.
Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
You're, rolling no, response, Nothing and every day his wife
would come, in young, wife and she she just didn't
believe that this guy was going to be like this
for the rest of his. Life he was going to
wake up, eventually and so he. Would she would be
at his, bedside like attending to him and making sure
this that and the, other and even asking us to,
(01:50:55):
put you, know some special concoction that she made at
home into his tube feeding so that this could go
and help him come. Better and we would we would
go along with. Her BUT i was looking into my
attendings and they're, like she's she do she doesn't understand
what's going. On she doesn't understand that he's never going
to wake. Up so this is this is What i'm.
Seeing one day she came in and she's and she
just had this smile on her. Face she was just
(01:51:18):
so at peace and a. Smile and there Were hispanic.
Couples so we had to ask a translator what was going,
on and she told us she, SAID i had a
dream last. NIGHT i had a dreamed that he was
going to come. Home and she was, convinced just absolutely, happy,
beaming and we're, like, man this lady is. Crazy she
(01:51:41):
doesn't understand what's going. On, well days went, on weeks went,
on and one day and WHERE i was, rounding it
was it's just in this round nursing nursing stations in the,
middle and the doors to the rooms are all around
in a. Periphery and we were going around the, circle
rounding on the patients AND i could look at AND
i saw him and he was kind of, shaking but
(01:52:02):
he was kind of opening his, eyes AND i, said
he seems to be focusing a little. Bit his eyes
seemed to be focusing a little bit more than they would,
be and he kind OF i just, SAID i just
kind of put my hand up like, this AND i
just kind of and sure, enough he put his hand
up like, this, shaking and he put it back down.
Again i'm like, Why he waved to, You yeah, What
(01:52:26):
AND i, said let's go check this out. Again long story,
short took, months but that guy walked out of that.
Hospital six months. Later he and his wife came back
walked onto the unit like there was nothing wrong with the,
guy and he gave us a big basket of flowers
(01:52:47):
to thank that unit for what they had done for.
Him in my, MIND i knew that for most of that,
staff for most of that, time the people were just
going through the motions keeping him alive because that's what you. Wanted,
obviously when when there were signs that this guy was,
recovering it was it was complete.
Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Shift people were.
Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Amazed and so what that did to me in my
career was it made me think, twice, like.
Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Why did this guy get?
Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Better?
Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Now he was twenty?
Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Two he was, young and typically if something like that
is going to, happen it's going to happen in someone
who's very, young whose mind is, plastic who can survive
that type of a. Situation but it really it was a.
MIRACLE i CAN'T i can't say anything. ELSE i, mean
it's not something that we would. Know all of the
experts said that this wasn't going to, happen but it.
Happened what do you think. HAPPENED i think he had
(01:53:40):
a loving life who believed in, him and something happened
outside of the physical and the. Mental maybe the. SPIRITUAL
i don't know it, happens it's very, rare and when
it does, happen it happens in young. People that would
be what the medical part of my brain would, Say
but the other part of my brain, says you know,
(01:54:01):
WHAT i only know about ten, percent maybe five percent
of the world's. Knowledge, no world's, knowledge one percent of
the world's. Knowledge MAYBE i have five to ten percent
of all of the medical.
Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Knowledge in this.
Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
World AND i would say probably the explanation is somewhere
in that other eighty to ninety percent THAT i just don't.
KNOW i think what it taught me was is that
we have to be humble about what it is that we.
Know there's things that we know we, know and there's
things that we don't know that we don't.
Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Know we talked a little bit about this chemical earlier on. Melatonin,
YEAH i just wanted to close off BECAUSE i had
a question on. IT a lot of people take melatonin
supplements at nighttime and to help them.
Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Sleep, yes, good bad and. DIFFERENT i think it's good
in certain. Situations so if you're having difficulty falling, asleep
a little tiny dose of, melatonin no more than five
milligrams can be actually very beneficial if you're wanting to
shift your circadian rhythm back instead of it being pushed,
back but you want it to be danced. Forward melatonin
(01:55:01):
can be very. Beneficial it's very beneficial for jet. Lag
it's also beneficial for a few sleep.
Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Diseases BUT i would not recommend, routinely for no other,
reason taking large doses of.
Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Melatonin what's the?
Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Trade you said, earlier and that everything has side, effects.
Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Right and it so taking high doses of melatonin can
actually make you more irritable and. Irritable Irritable, yeah in
what regard just mentally? Irritable, yeah what does that look?
Like things set you off more, easily so like a
mood to, say absolutely anything else with melitonin that you're aware, of.
Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Not that we have studies.
Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
For people have concerns that sometimes taking too much melatonin
may actually affect the melatonin secretion from the pineal glant.
ITSELF i don't have evidence of that as yet to
see if that that's actually the, Case.
Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Doctor. Roger is there anything else that we haven't discussed
that we should have.
Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Discussed we've discussed a.
Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
LOT i thinking it all together is again the links
and if we have those. Links medications have their, place
but the way that they work is by breaking down
other parts of the chain to strengthen the weak. Chain
that can have an, effect especially at the end of
(01:56:18):
life if you want to sustain, life but if you're
interested in, longevity if you're interested in making and living
the best, life then you want to strengthen all of those.
Chains AND i believe the key to doing that is
something called new.
Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Start we have a closing tradition on this podcast where
the last guest leaves a question for the next, guest
not knowing who they're leaving it. For and the question
that was left for you is what is the area
of your focus that you are most dying to talk
about which you are almost never asked? About this book The?
Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Bible which is which is my tradition evidence for science
in The? Bible what do you?
Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Mean this whole what we've been talking about is the
body and the health and the. Body i'd like to
put to the test some of the statements in The
bibles to see if they work, scientifically.
Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
Like turning water into.
Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Wine, now, well potentially that's a.
Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Miracle WHAT i was referring to is is this and
this is What i've actually, done and it's actually quite.
Interesting is you, Know, paul who was one of The
New testament writers in The, bible wrote to The, corinthians
don't you don't you understand that your body is the
temple of The Holy. SPIRIT i, said that's that's a
(01:57:47):
really interesting. Statement how would he come to that? Conclusion,
like what does that? Mean the temple of The Holy.
Spirit so the only temple at that time was The
temple In jerusalem where they would have the sacrific vices and.
Things so WHAT i did WAS i went. Back and
this is answering the question Is i'm looking for evidence
(01:58:08):
of scientific, truth probably unknowingly by some of the writers
in The, bible to see whether or not there is?
Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
Truth does does that make sense What i'm.
Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Saying so if you look and most Of exodus twenty
five through thirty is this painstakingly detailed description of the
sanctuary That moses built in the, wilderness that he supposedly
he got From.
Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
God this is what he.
Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Says so here's a great way to see whether or
not this all flashes. Out moses is, saying here's the
description of the pattern THAT i got for the temple
And paul is, saying your body is a. Temple so
here's my. Hypothesis if we look at the pattern in the,
temple should it match the human body that they had
(01:58:54):
no understanding of at the time That paul wrote. This
we didn't know about cells Until Van lewinhook in the sixteenth.
Hundreds we didn't know about the circulation of the heart
until the sixteen hundreds With.
Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
William.
Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Harvey, Okay, yet if you look in the human, body
you have the blood. System you have blood circulating around
in the vascular, system and then it goes into the interstitial,
fluid and then the interstitial fluid then goes to the,
cell which there's a plasma membrane on the cell that
(01:59:27):
you can't penetrate through but unless you actually have the
proteins to. Go and then it goes into the, cell
which is a compartment with two compartments within. It, right
you got the cell in the. Nucleus, Right this is
exactly the same structure That moses was given in the,
wilderness and by the, Way hindu temples are actually similarly.
Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Designed there's sort of this three part. Situation so you
have this altar of, sacrifice which is where the blood.
Is that's the blood in the human. Body next you
move to the labor which is this container full of,
water and that's the interstitial. Space after you go from
the blood into the interstitial, space any pharmacologists will know
(02:00:09):
that this is exactly the pattern that you move. To
The next thing that comes is this structure that has
a veil that you can't penetrate through unless you go through.
It that's the.
Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
Cell because the structure is the, building and it's got
a room within a, room and that's exactly what the cell.
Is the cell is this nucleus surrounded by the. Cytoplasm,
well in this room that you go into at, first
there's pieces of furniture in there that are very similar
to the types of organelles that you see in the
(02:00:41):
cytoplasma the. Cell for, instance there's this seven branch candlestick
that's in there that's burning olive oil and producing. Energy
that's like beta oxidation producing. Energy that's exactly what you
see in the. Mitochondria but the final thing is you
move into the nucleus and this temple has something called
the Most Holy, place where there's this altar of where
(02:01:01):
there's this arc of the. Covenant you've Seen Indiana, Jones, right,
yeah and the First raiders of The Lost. Arc there's
this arc and you open it, up and this is
where the two tablets Of, stone The Ten commandments. Rested
so in that area you have two tablets of stone
written by the hand Of, god the code of, life
(02:01:25):
and according To jewish And christian belief that this is the.
Law and if you break the, law that's how sin,
is and the consequences of sin is disease and. Death,
well when we get to the nucleus of the human,
body you have two strands OF, dna and on the
strands OF dna is the, code the nucleotides of which
(02:01:46):
is the code of. Life if you manipulate that, code
that leads to, mutations which leads to disease and. Death
none of this was known until nineteen fifty when they DISCOVERED.
Dna and yet we Have paul who's making this jump
and saying your body is the temple of The Holy.
SPIRIT i just find that.
Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
Fascinating nobody ever asked me about, That but that's as
soon as you ask that, question that's the first thing
that pops.
Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Up, there's by the, way there's so many other places
in the scriptures WHERE i see that alluded.
Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
To it's.
Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Fascinting paul talks about the body Of christ and how
it's one, body but it's made up of. Parts there's
the hand and. Foot he didn't know about, cells but
that's exactly what the human body. Is the human body
is one body made up of many. Parts Van lewinhook
didn't discover that until the sixteen. Hundreds we didn't have
self theory until the eighteen. Hundreds so this is it's
(02:02:43):
interesting to me how statements are made in ancient texts
which have scientific relevance far below the. SURFACE i just
find that.
Speaker 3 (02:02:52):
Interesting thank you so, much AND i hope to speak
to you again very very. Soon and thank you for
all the work you're, doing because you've made some of
these difficult scientific subjects leave it be. Accessible you have
a real art for simplifying and simplifying in a way
that means that millions of, People you've got millions of
subscribers on YouTube, channel millions of people can access this
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i'm sure my audience are deeply. Appreciative so thank you so.
MUCH i appreciate.
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He was literally two days away from dying.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So this is a story where a fifteen year old
boy was diagnosed with blood cancer, but he developed a
flesh eating infection.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
In his life.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He wasn't going to make so he has one request.
He wants to go outside, and that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
What they do.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And this was actually mind blowing to me. After the
second day, the infection is probably sixty seventy percent on
and it became clear to me that sunlight has so
many important benefits. For instance, if you're the bed closer
to the window, you get discharged from the hospital faster.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So I want you to get any information you have
as it relates to light health, for example, do you
recommend these kinds of things. Doctor Roger Seyholt is a
board certified critical care position.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Who breaks down complex science into clear life saving advice.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I see people at the very end of their lives,
so I know what prevents them from getting this ill
and how to extend life. So let's distill it down
into eight pillars. The first thing that exercise that reduces stroke,
it reduces depression. Next, sunlight. Did you know that infra
red lights from the sun is able to penetrate up
to about eight millimeters and stimulate and upregulate melatonins which
(01:06):
prevent a lot of diseases like dementia, cardiovascuar disease, diabetes.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
What if you live in a cloudy country.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
There's some very actionable things that you can do, and
we'll talk about that next one. Water, for instance, people
who use sauna are more likely to have less set
from cardiovascuar disease. Next air, there are studies that show
that just going out one day a week can elevate
our immune system and make.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Us more relaxed. And then there's more. But finally, trust.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
This is something that can't be ignored because studies have shown.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
That people who have a good faith and trust in
a God are room.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
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strange way, you are. You're part of our history and
you're on this journey with us, and I appreciate you
for that. Say thank you, Dr Roger Schwelt. With the
work that you do, what is it that you're aiming
to accomplish outside.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Of my clinical duties It may be even part of that.
I would like to clearly explain very easily graspable tools
that can be implemented to make people live their best life.
And it's specifically in terms of their health and their
well being.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And as we dig down into health and well being,
because that's quite a broad basket, what is it within
health and wellbeing that you've spent your career, your life
focusing on.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So I'm a board certified internal medicine specialist. Then I
did an extra three years of training here in the
United States on pulmonary and critical care. So I deal
with all of the issues that are related to the
lungs and the critical care aspect. So if you are
are if you are admitted to hospital and you're critically ill,
you go to the intensive care unit.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm the doctor that you see.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I'm putting in you know, the lines, putting them
on vasor pressors, intubating them.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I worked in the clinic this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And what are some of the unappreciated things that most
people don't think of because we think of you know,
don't eat process food and write, exercise. But is there
things outside of that that you don't think the average
person appreciates enough? Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What are those things?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So if we look at those things that extend life
and are beneficial, we could put them into what I
call eight pillars of health. If you can imagine your
life is a chain with a bunch of links. Okay,
and I'm talking medically. Each one of those links is
an organ system. So your heart is a link, your
(03:50):
lungs are a link, your liver is a link, your kidneys,
et cetera, et cetera. As you go through life, imagine
those links starting to erode. That but at some point
in your life you're going to get some sort of
a disease or a diagnosis that focuses on one organ
system of your life. For many here in the United
States and in the UK, it's the heart. And as
(04:11):
that link gets more eroded, we can see very clearly
that this is going to be the link that's going
to break first, and therefore attention is paid to that link.
For many that diagnosis comes with medications. So here is
one of the first truisms that I would say going forward.
All medications have side effects, and what the aim is
(04:33):
to do in modern medicine is to utilize the knowledge
of those medicines and their effect on the human body
so that we leverage the other links to protect that
weakest link. So I could go through a bunch of
medications that I give all the time to patients and
the intensive carry in it, where I'm focused on saving
their life because i can clearly see which link is
(04:54):
the weakest, but I'm doing it knowing that their side
effects because I'm trying to save that link to save
that life, and I'm leveraging those other things. For instance,
somebody comes in with a stroke.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And they've lost weakness on the right side of their
body or on the left side, whichever side, I can
give them a medication immediately that will break up all
of the clots in their body. It's called TPA or TNK, and.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It will restore blood float to the brain, and it
will reverse many of their symptoms.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
If they come in soon enough, we can do this.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
What's amazing is that that medication has an effect that
can do that, but it also has a pretty significant
side effect and that it could break up clots somewhere
else and cause bleeding. So we have to be careful
about what it is that we're doing. Clearly there, what
we're doing is we're saving one link at the expense
of other links. But that's what you have to do
in an emergency situation. But if after that I simply
(05:55):
send that patient home without telling them why they had
that stroke and what they need to do to prevent
themselves from getting that stroke again, and what are the
lifestyle factors that cause that to happen, I haven't done
my job. So what are the interventions that we can do,
hopefully early on in life, so that we don't have
those links eroding, so that all of the links are
(06:17):
strong and as we get older we can continue to
strengthen all of the links. Here are the eight So nutrition,
that's nutrition basically, you know, we know there are studies
that have done that show that that depending on what
we put into our bodies as food can have a
dramatic impact in terms of our well being.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, so that's nutrition.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Exercise, As I was saying, exercise, not only I mean
drugs and things have side effects. Exercise have side benefits.
So exercise obviously is going to make you more fit,
it's going to make you have better endurance. But did
you know that it reduces stroke? Did you know that
it improves well being? It reduces depression. There's so many benefits,
(06:57):
so all of these links are actually improving. There's no
leveraging here. Exercise is incredible. Water So this may sound obvious, right,
like you drink because you're thirsty. Where I would like
to go today is to talk a little bit about
what the effect of water externally on your body can do.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
And you're talking there about like hot and cold exactly,
usage exact terms of showers or co plunges.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Is that kind of thing exactly? Okay, And we'll get
into the actual evidence for this.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
We'll get into it later. But what is this immune
system which changes your probability of diseases? In correct?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Absolutely, especially in the acute setting. Especially so not only
in the acute setting, but we also have pretty good
data from Finland where they have more saunas than the
almost then people where they've actually done the research and
shown with dose response curves that this is actually very beneficial.
We won't get into too much of that, but what
I want to focus a little bit more on, because
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of my job and the intensive carry in it, and
what we're seeing right now with viruses and mutations in
the innate immune system, why something like this may actually
be very important as we look forward. Interestingly, as we
look forward to future things pandemics, we can look backward
and see what we had done in the past, and
we've got some really, actually really good information on that.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Let's go to.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sunlight. This is something that I've really become more and
more involved with because of some of the benefits that
this can do. A very big misconception that people have
is that sunlight equals vitamin D, and therefore if you
take a vitamin D supplement, you don't need to go
in the sun. This is really something that's now being debunked.
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Sunlight has far more benefits than just vitamin D. Not
saying that vitamin D is not something that you want
to supplement with. I supplement with vitamin D. I think
there's a benefit to supplementing with vitamin D, no question.
But sunlight has so many important things and I really
would like to spend the bulk or the line share
of the time talking about this because this is really important.
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This is amazing, and it really made me think about sunlight.
So this is a story by a lady by the
name of Amy Hahnmeier. Her fifteen year old boy was
diagnosed with lymphoblastic leukemia, went into the hospital, actually started
chemotherapy for it, which is blood It's a blood cancer, yeah,
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and so the treatment for blood cancer is chemotherapy, which
he started. The side effect of chemotherapy is suppressing the
immune system, and unfortunately he didn't realize it, but he
developed He didn't realize it immediately, but he developed a
fungus flesh eating infection in his lung and went into
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the hospital in June of twenty twenty four. This is
in Minnesota Tertiary Care Hospital. And he got worse and
got worse and got worse to the point where the
only way that they could control this infection was to
actually remove his left lung, which they did. So this
is a fifteen year old boy. He is without his
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left lung. He only has a right lung and he
starts to decline. Even after that, they do a CT
scan and it shows that now the infection has moved
to his remaining right lung. They have a family conference
and as Amy is telling me this story, I could
hear her choking up.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
She's telling me this on the phone. She's saying that
he's fifteen.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
He's completely awake, he's completely alert, he knows everything that's
going on around him. He's on a ventilator, like a
machine that they use for sleep apne. It's like a
bypath machine that's breathing for him. It's not intubation, but
it's on his mouth. And the doctors, you know, have
done everything they possibly can, and they say, look, he's
getting worse. We can't take obviously, we can't take the
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right lung out. We can't put him on a heart
lung machine. Because there's no sort of destination to where
he's going. We recommend not intubating him and making him
what they call dna A do not resuscitate. So they're like, wow,
they were not expecting this coming. So they have a
big conference. Somebody they call and helped to like, how
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do you explain to a fifteen year old boy that
you're dying and how is that going to feel? So
they ask the doctors how much time does he have?
They say two days. So in this situation, they ask
this boy, Okay, you're going to die, what do you
want to do with your life in the next two days?
Speaker 1 (11:31):
What do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And surprisingly, he says, I want to go outside. I
just want to go outside. This guy grew up probably
on a farm or something, and he spend his time outside,
so he wants to go outside. So you know how
I mean, I don't know if you know this, but
like if you're a nurse or you're a doctor and
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you've done everything you can and this and you're just
completely horrified at the fact that this fifteen year old
is going to die and he has request. You're going
to move heaven and earth to fulfill that one request.
And that's exactly what they do. They get this boy
the hospital bed outside he's on a bipad machine the
respiratory therapists have put together. So this guy is outside
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and they're not putting him outside to get better. He's
just this is his dying wish. They also use this
thing called a firefly. It's like a light device that
they were using. To be honest, I don't know which.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Did it, the fire flowers.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's a light device that gives off light at different
wavelengths and they would use that for about three times
a day for five minutes. This guy does not die.
After the first day, his white count starts to come down.
That's like a measure of the infection that's going on
in the lung. And by the way, they do a
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CT scan of his lung before this all starts, and
it's just the remaining lung on the right is just
filled with infection.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's horrible. By the second day, the white count comes
down even more. And by the way, they haven't changed
any of the other treatment he's been By this point,
he's been in for six weeks. He has not seen
the light of day, and he's still getting the powerful
anti fungal medication ampho, terras and B and pasacnasol.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
All of these things are really high powered drugs that
just completely fight fungus. But it's not working. He's getting worse.
But now he's out for the second day. The white
count's coming down, which is good. It's a good sign
his oxygen requirement is coming down. That's a good sign.
He's requiring less and less ouxygen. By the time he
gets to day five, Okay, we're already passed two days.
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He's off the BiPAP, he's on regular just nasal canula
oxygen that you see people wearing on their nose. The
doctors are scratching their head. They're like, we should get
a CT scan to see what's going on. So Amy
tells me that they get a CT scan of this guy,
and they're in the room and somebody even like swear
under their breath, like they're completely amazed because on the
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CT scan, obviously the left lung is still gone, but
the right lung, the disease is probably sixty seventy percent gone, and.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
He's still alive.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
He goes home, there's no sign of the disease after treatment,
and I just she just communicated with me to tell
me that he just got his make a Wish thing
for his cancer. He's continuing treatment, and she just can't
believe that he was literally two days away from dying.
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They changed nothing, They changed none of his treatments. The
only thing that they did was they took him outside
and they were using this firefly before inside. But they
were using it more consistently when he got outside.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Maybe hospitals should be outside.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
This is exactly what Okay, So if you wanted to
know what my drive was, what it is my purpose
that I'm doing right now. I'm working at three different hospitals,
and I'm trying to work in each of those three
different hospitals to try to get patients outside.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
The biggest barrier that we have is.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Staff taking those patients outside. That's the thing that's the hardest.
But this is what we used to do, Steven. This
is what we used when we built hospitals at the
turn of the century. We had hospital rooms where beds
could be taken out onto the veranda and people could
get sunlight. I would love to see a time where
we could go back to that type of effect. There
are studies that have been done. People in a two bedroom,
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if you're the bed closer to the window, you get
discharged from the hospital faster on average.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Really, yes, I need to swap sides of the bed
with my girlfriends. She's on the sunny side.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
There's so much evidence for this. People who are in
hospitals that have bigger windows, they give better surveys and
hospitals reimbursement is tied to the surveys that they get
from patients, so it's literally a win win win. If
hospitals started to, I believe, get patients outside, and they're
already doing this, I don't want to say that this
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isn't happening. There are hospitals that have programs to get
patients outside. I think we just ought to be doing
it a lot more.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Temperance.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Temperance, what does that mean.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
It's an old term, isn't it. It really means moderation,
and I would say in this sense, temperance really means
to avoid toxins in the body. As somebody who is
a pulmonologist, who is homonologist is someone who takes care
of the lungs, and so as a result of that,
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I see a lot of issues with lung cancer related
to smoking. I see in the intensive carry in it
people with liver failure as a result of alcohol abuse.
I also see people on amphetamines. Here in southern California
where I reside and where I work, we have quite
a bit of that and temperance. If you want to
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live a long and wholesome life, there are some toxins
that you want to avoid and understanding that is really important.
So this is something that if you stop some of
those things that we're talking about, all of those links
are going to be improved. Air seems kind of obvious.
Early on, I used to think that what this meant
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was getting pure air with absolutely nothing in it except
for just nitrogen and oxygen. That's not true anymore. We
now understand that for you to have the best type
of air, it actually has to come with some things
in it. Just like our gut has a microflora that
you may have heard about, so too does the air
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that we breathe also must have that. And the best
type of air that you can have is actually outside rest.
This is really interesting because we just mentioned that exercise
was pillar, but rest also is. How can rest and
exercise at the same time be pillars of health? And
it really comes down to knowing when to do what sleep,
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which is also part of rest. So we're not just
talking about a daily rest. When you go to sleep,
and as a sleep physician, I can tell you quite
a bit. We have lots of information about how long
we should sleep, the quality of sleep, some of the
diseases that prevent us from sleeping sleep is so important.
I can't I couldn't over express it enough. Not just
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a daily rest, but I would also say and venture
out we can talk more about this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
A weekly rest, a weekly rest, a weekly.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Rest, what do you mean weekend?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Like, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
How many times do we even on the weekend do
we put down our phone?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Never?
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Or we stop reading emails and we take the time
out to do things that we would never be able
to do. Finally, trust, So this is something that really
just can't be ignored. And I'll say this upfront that
in the world of research and science, there is a
silo of science and there is a silo of faith.
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But what's what we can ignore is the growing body
of evidence from the scientific world that's peeking over and
looking at faith that people who have faith, and people
who have faith in God, whether that is their God
in that particular denomination, are better apt and able to
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deal with stress and depression and anxiety. So this is
something scientifically that has been shown. Now if you may
have noticed that I did these in a particular order,
and if you go through them, You've got nutrition, you've
got exercise, you've got water, you've got sunlight, you've got temperance,
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you have air, you have rest, and finally you have trust.
You put that together and it spells out new Start.
So interestingly, these particular topics are not copywriter, but there
is a university in northern California called Weemar University that's
actually put these together in that very pattern as called
it new Start.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
They actually have a New Start program, and so this
is something that is actually being used internationally.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Some of these subjects that you just went through there
for this new start framework, where do you want to start?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I think actually sunlight is one of those things where
I'm excited about all of those, but I think sunlight
is really where we have the Let's put it this way,
it's the lowest hanging fruit.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Okay, explain to me why sunlight is the place where
your focus is at the moment.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's a long trip that has gotten me to that,
and I think part of it has to goes through
right through COVID As a critical care intensivist. When I
heard that there was this virus that was coming, they
all told us that it was going to be people
with respiratory illnesses, which I was certainly comfortable with. But
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that's not what it turned out to be. We certainly
saw people with respiratory illnesses, but what we saw in
the intensive carry on the people that were dying around
me were people with obesity, people with heart disease, people
with kidney disease, people with dementia, people with chronic diseases.
And it made me think, why was that the case.
All of those things have one thing in common, and
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many other things too, but specifically they are rooted in
something called mitochondrial dysfunction. So let me unpack that for you.
And this has to do with longevity. This has to
do with aging. This is a huge topic that is
now just emerging and we're now finding more about this.
So when I was in high school biology, when I
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was in college, we all learned about this little organelle
in all of our cells except for red blood cells,
called the mitochondria. And I have to say it, What
is the mitochondria. It's the powerhouse of the cell, right,
so it's the thing that makes energy. What we didn't
know at the time is that as we get older,
the output from these batteries in our cells drops by
about seventy percent. Can you imagine running your house on
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seventy percent less energy. How fundamentally that would change what
happens in your house, Like you could not run the
laundry the same way. You could not run the microwave
and the laundry at the same time.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And what does that look like in terms of symptoms?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Excellent question, because what it looks like is depending on
the cell type that we're talking about that's going to
have the issue. So if we're talking about the liver,
the liver's going to get more fatty. If we're talking
about the heart, the heart is could become more congested.
If we're talking about the brain, it's going to have
more dementia. And so what's happening here is that as
we get older, the batteries and our cells are not
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working the same way as they used to. Metabolism is
slowing down, and so these are huge issues. And all
of these diseases that I just talked about, all the
ones that we saw in COVID, if you look in
a lot of these diseases, they are rooted in mitochondrial dysfunction.
So the question is is why is that the case
and what can we do about it? So there was
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a paper that came out in twenty nineteen that fundamentally
changed the way I saw this. It was written by
Russell Ryder, who is the executive editor of Melatonin Research.
He's out of the University of Texas, and Scott Zimmermann,
who's a light engineer, and what they set forth was
to show that basically sunlight is made up of so
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many different types of wavelengths. You've got ultraviolet on one end,
which of course makes vitamin D and it's very beneficial.
It's the type of light from the sun that is
very short wave but cannot penetrate very deeply. Let me
back up a little bit and explain. You pull up
to a stop sign, somebody pulls up next to you,
and they're playing the latest hip hop music.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
How does that.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Sound to you in your car? It's very boom boom, right, yeah,
muffled and muffled. And the reason why is because low
wave frequency has the ability to travel very far. Go
to the Grand Canyon and there's a thunderstorm at the
other end of it.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
What do you hear?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's like a rumbling and then as it gets closer,
you hear the higher pitch sounds. This is a fundamental
physics principle, and so when the sun is shining, there's
very short wavelengths ultraviolet B involve in vitamin D. But
at the other end, there's this infrared light, which we'll
talk about or red light. It's very long wavelength and
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it can penetrate very very deeply. That's very important because
what we're talking about is the human body, and if
the sun is going to have an effect on the
human body, it's got to be more than just the skin.
So that's exactly what this paper showed is that basically
infrared lights from the sun is able to penetrate probably
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up to about eight centimeters according to Scott Zimmerman in
this article, and it fundamentally interacts with specifically the mitochondria.
And what does it do to the mitochondria? So let's
back up and talk about the mitochondria because this is
central the mitochondria to the cell. Is like the engine
in your car. The engine produces locomotion that causes the
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wheels to spin, but in the process of doing it,
it causes heat to surround the engine and if you
don't deal with that heat, it will shut down the engine.
It will make it more inefficient, and eventually it will
shut it down. So what do all internal combustion engines have.
They have a cooling system, they have a radiator, they
have an oil pan, they have a water pump, and
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that's exactly what the cell has to have. For the mitochondria.
It's not heat in the mitochondria. It's called oxidative stress.
And it's specifically oxidative stress that causes destruction and yeah,
destruction of the mitochondria and leads to these types of diseases.
So oxidative stress causes the mitochondria not to work well.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
This leads to diabetes. Oxidative stress makes the mitochondria not
work so well, this leads to dementia. So there's this
has already been laid out. This is not that controversial.
The controversial part is what do we do about it?
So what these guys in this paper showed was that,
and not just them, but look reviewing the literature, is
that the mitochondria makes its own cooling system, and that
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cooling system is melatonin. Now you might be thinking, wait
a minute, melatonin. Isn't that the isn't that the stuff
that we take that our brain makes right before we
go to sleep. Yeah, that you're it's absolutely correct. That's
what happens. The problem is is that this is not
melatonin that's made in the brain. This is not melotonin
that goes through the blood supply and goes through our
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blood and tells us it's time to go to sleep.
This is melatonin that's made in the cell in the mitochondria,
and it's a powerful antioxidant that basically prevents the oxidative
stress from occurring. What Scott Zerman.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And Russell Ryder showed and proposed in this was that
basically the infrared radiation that's coming in to the body
is able to stimulate and upregulate melatonin and a number
of other factors that keep the mitochondria cool and can
actually improve the energy output of the mitochondria. So this
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was actually mind blowing to me. And I'll tell you
why I resonated with this as a critical care physician,
because there was two things that bothered me the most.
Number one, SARSCOBE two virus. When it comes into the body,
it interacts with someone called the ACE two receptor. You
may have heard about the ACE two receptor. Okay, this
is where the virus actually latches on to the cell
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and gets internalized.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
So what is this.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
ACE two receptor.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Is this was this there for all of humanity just
to be a receptor or does it actually have a role.
It turns out it actually has a role. And mind blowingly,
the ACE two receptor is involved in mitigating oxidative stress. So,
in other words, it's another part of the cell's cooling
system for the mitochondria. What's happening is that the virus,
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when it attaches to the cell, is basically eliminating that action.
And so imagine you have a bunch of people with
various different engines running at different temperatures. In other words,
you've got some people with chronic disease, and we know
their engines are running hot. We have some other people
who are completely healthy and they're doing quite well. Their
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engines are nice and cool, they have no problems at all. Now,
imagine COVID comes and STARSCOB two is infecting everybody. What
that tendency is to do is because it's knocking out
everybody's ACE two receptor, which has the ability to cool
down the engine. In other words, it's causing everybody's engine
to run hot. Right, so but in somebody so in
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other words, picture is this way you're driving along in
your car and your thermometer is there, and all of
a sudden, there's this big hilly that you have to
climb called COVID nineteen. Who's gonna make it over that hill?
And who's not going to make it over that hill.
The people that make it over the hill are those
with great cooling engines, whose temperatures are running great. The
ones that don't make it over that hill are the
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ones that have the thermometer on their engine running hot.
Those are the ones that poop out at the top
and can't make it. And they're the ones pulled over
to the side of the road with the hood up
and the steam coming out out of the engine. You
understand what I'm saying. So this makes perfect sense to me.
Why I wasn't seeing what they were predicting. Were's these
respiratory patients coming into the ISSU. Who was I seeing
in the ICU. I was seeing people with dementia as
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we talked about diabetes, kidney disease. These are the ones
that were that were sick. The other thing that really
hit me and resonated with this was and this was
not even controversial. We knew early on in the pandemic
that people who came into the hospital and had higher
levels of vitamin D did really well. They didn't die,
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they didn't have the same chances of dying. People who
had low vitamin D levels, they had much higher levels
chances of dying. So we would check these vitamin D levels.
And so think about this. You're there at ground zero
and you're taking care of these patients and you see
this data over and over and over again that vitamin D.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Is very predictive of who's going to die.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Obviously, what are you going to do even though this
is an associative study, That association doesn't mean causation. You're
gonna be giving people vitamin D and try to get
those levels up. The problem is is that we gave
vitamin D and it really didn't have much of an effect, So.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
You gave it in supplemental.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, people would come into the hospital exactly exactly just
like that. In fact, I was supplementing myself. I mean,
what have you got to lose, right, I already took
my vitamin D tablet this morning. I don't that's very
hard to overdose, but it's possible.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
So, yeah, you noticed that it was hard to treat
people with vitamin D but giving them a tablet didn't
really do much.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
That's correct.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Why, Well, this is what I believe is the fact
is we saw that people with high levels of vitamin
D or normal levels of vitamin D did better than
those that had low levels. I believe that that was
a marker of something else. In other words, people who
had higher levels of vitamin D meant that they were
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out in the sun more, They were outside more than
those the people that had very low vitamin D levels.
The people with low vitamin D levels were telling me,
these are people that were not getting outside into the sun.
And so what's the real factor here, what's doing the
heavy lifting? And I would propose, and Scott Zimerman and
Russell Ryder would propose, and I can tell you a
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number of other scientists that would agree with me on this,
is that infrared radiation from the sun is causing an
effect the mitochondrial level in terms of oxidative stress, and
that vitamin D was just the marker of who was
getting the infrared light and who was not, who was
going outside and who was not going outside. So when
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the sun is shining for the most part, you're getting
infrared light, you're getting the entire the entire biological spectrum
from the sun. We can go to the longest wavelength,
which is far infrared, all the way to the shortest wavelength,
which is ultraviolet B okay, which makes vitamin D. So
in other words, when you are outside in a natural environment,
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you're getting a very broad spectrum of light. And so
because of that, if you're getting infrared light, you're also going.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
To be making vitamin D. You're getting both.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Now, that can change because in the winter time when
the sun is lower in the sky, especially you know
in England, this is a special issue at that latitude.
When the sun is low in the sky, it's got
the light has to penetrate through obliquely through the atmosphere
and because of that, short wave radiation from the sun,
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like ultraviolet B, does not make it very well. So
there's times of the year where you're not getting enough
ultraviolet B, or maybe even no ultraviolet B from the.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Sun which makes the vitamin D, which makes.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The vitamin D, and that you're going to be deficient.
You need to supplement. However, during that same period of
time when you're not getting enough vitamin D because there's
no ultraviolet ber radiation, that sun is low, but it's
still enough to allow that long wavelength penetrating infrared light
to still come through.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
So is the long wave infrared light the type of
thing that we see these gotchets doing.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Absolutely, and I would say, just to be specific, is
because you can see that as red light there. That's
not infrared light because you can see it. So infrared
light technically is completely invisible.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
But these do give out infrared light, but you just
yes see.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It exactly, So it's toward that red end of the spectrum.
And people like Glenn Jeffrey out of UCL is actually
doing research at six hundred and seventy nanometers of red
light and has shown in randomized control trials that that
type of light right there at six', seventy the type
that you can even, see actually does improve mitochondria. Efficiency
he's shown this in a number of randomized control. Trials
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it improves, eyesight and you have to realize that the
retina at the back of your eye is very rich in.
Mitochondria he's shown this in terms of managing glucose and
output from. Mitochondria and the reason why these things work
so well is because what's going on here is as
you get, older your skin starts to become more saggy
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because the, fibroblast or the cells in your, skin they're
designed to make, collagen and collagen is the skeleton that
makes your skin soft and. Subtle, yeah, no, no this is
Exactly my wife uses the same. Thing this is a
Fun so what's going on right now is that red,
light which can penetrate very deeply down is going into
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the skin and it is activating the mitochondria in your
fibroblast to produce more, energy which those cells need to deposit.
Collagen and so when you deposit, collagen that's going to
give the skin a more tight feel because as you get,
older that collagen deposition.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Is going to get less and less and.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Less so this is going to help keep me looking.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Young that's the whole point of.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It and you're saying that the light in these penetrates
what six or seven, centimeters.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Or is it infrared does about eight. Centimeters this red
light would be a little bit less because this light
obviously you can see, it so it is a little
bit shorter. Wavelength but, yes this, light the red light
can penetrate deeper than for, instance yellow light or blue,
light and it's this light particularly that interacts with the
mitochondria to increase.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That so should we be putting this all over our
body because, okay it's good for my, skin but if
it's penetrating, deeper presumably the other parts of my body
that would benefit from that another. Mitochondria it's interesting you say.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
That the study That i'm referring to With Glenn jeffrey
out Of University College, london he took young people in this,
study he gave them a bunch of, glucose and everybody
who gets a bunch of glucose should have a spike
in their blood. Sugar he randomized them on their backs
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to see what would happen when he shined red light
on their, backs and the people that got the red
light had lower. Spikes in other, words it seemed as
though the mitochondria were metabolizing, faster which caused less of
a spike of the glucose in their. Blood the way
he confirmed that is looking for the byproducts of the mitochondrial,
metabolism which is carbon. Dioxide so when we, breathe when we,
(36:47):
metabolize we're breathing out carbon, dioxide which is the result
of a mitochondrial, metabolism and in, fact in those people
that had the light, on it showed a higher level
of rbon dioxide in the exhaled. Breath the whole point
of that is to get back to your question is
whether we should putting this all over your. Body he
was able to get that effect systemically with just putting
(37:10):
the light on the. Back that was a systemic. Ability
what we don't understand everything about the mitochondri but what
we do seem to understand is that they can communicate
with each other and that you don't need to have
this all over the body to have systemic. Effects in
this particular, case, though if you want to have the
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skin here to be more younger, looking then it makes
sense that this is where you need to have. It
if you want to have a particular other part of
your body to look younger than perhaps that that's where
the light needs to.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Go so, Interesting how long did it take in those
studies to see the effect of red light therapy like, This.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Well that's a very good.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Question if you talk To Glenn, jeffrey WHICH i, have
he noticed an improvement in fifteen.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Minutes fifteen. Minutes what did he noticed in fifteen? Minutes he,
said he he.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Has studied the mitochondria in, fruitflies in in mosquitoes and,
bees and in human beings and it's the same every.
Time he, says after about fifteen to twenty minutes of
this type of, light in that type of, setting there
is a switch that turns on and you don't need further.
Stimulation further stimulation doesn't do anything. More it's a very bizarre.
(38:22):
Thing you would think that the more light that you,
gave the more the effect would.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Be it's.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Not after about fifteen minutes there's something that changes in the.
Mitochondria there are certain theories about where this might. Be
this might be in the electron transport chain complex. Four
these are very technical. Things there's a lot of studies
that actually there's a number of groups that are actually
looking at. This there's a whole area of science called
photobiomodulation which is looking at. This but fifteen minutes is
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really what it, takes so we're not talking about a
long period of. Time this is really really. Interesting so
getting back to my experience in the intensive care, unit
the VITAMIN d wasn't. Working these patients were, dying and
it became clear to me THAT covid was a metabolic
(39:10):
issue for these. Patients by the TIME i had realized,
this THE SIRT i, mean the pandemic arguably is still
going on because people are still becoming, infected but the
rush to come into the hospital and the number of
bodies that we were seeing circulating through the intensive care
unit had dropped, Dramatically and at that POINT i was
(39:31):
able to see that potentially infrared lights may be very
beneficial in these patients WITH. Covid nineteen, now there was
a study In. Brazil they TOOK covid patients that were
sick enough to be admitted to the, hospital but not
too sick to be intubated in an intensive care, unit
(39:53):
and they did something. Tremendous they actually manufactured a jacket
that they could put on. Patients on the inside of
this jacket were these led bulbs that gave off infrared
radiation at exactly nine hundred and forty. Nanimeters they put
the jackets on and they randomly randomized the sign which
(40:13):
jacket was turned on and which jacket was turned. Off
it was blinded because the light coming from this jacket
could not be seen by the human.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Eye it wasn't even enough to bruce.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Enough, Heat and so they did this on thirty subjects
and they randomized. Them fifteen did it, fifty all, fifteen
or all thirty had the jackets, on fifteen had it turned,
on fifteen did not have it turned. On and they
watched them what happens to these. Patients every single endpoint
that they looked at was statistically. Significant and what does that.
(40:42):
Mean it means that the differences between these two groups
could not have been from.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Chance there was a real.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Difference the group that had the jacket turned on had
improvement in their oxygen, saturation had could take breaths in
more deeply and, longer had improvements in their white blood,
cells and not only, that had improvements in their heart,
rate their respiratory. Rate all of these statistically, Significant but
(41:10):
the most important and mind blowing statistic was the length
of stay in the. Hospital so they had these jackets
on for fifteen minutes once a day for seven. Days
in the group that did not have the jacket turned,
on their average length of stay was twelve days in the.
(41:30):
Hospital for those that had the jacket turned, on.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
It was eight. Days that was four day.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Difference that's tremendous when you realize that it costs thousands
of dollars to hospitalize. Patients it's a huge amount when
you think about the fact that there are certain drugs
that GET fda approved for, influenza for, instance by just
cutting short the symptoms for twenty four. Hours this is
not just twenty four, hours for people were dish charged
(42:01):
from the hospital four days. Faster WHEN i saw that,
study that was enough for me to convince. ME i,
mean obviously it was thirty, subjects, right we should do
a bigger. Study we should do ondred a couple, hundred,
right that would be that would be ideal to. Do
but the fact that with just thirty patients they could
show statistical, significance that was enough for me to, say
every patient from now on THAT i see that comes
(42:21):
in WITH covid nineteen that's hospitalized that they're asking me
to go int debate to bring to MY, icu these
patients are going to get. OUTSIDE i don't have that
jacket that they made In. BRAZIL i don't even know
HOW i would make that. Jacket they made it for the,
study and it's not commercially. Available there's no nine hundred
and forty nanimeter, lights which is what.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
They did in the. Study BUT i do know.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
THIS i do know that sunlights has nine hundred and
forty animeters in, it and IF i could just take
these patients, outside maybe they could.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Improve SO i HAD i got my. WISH i had
a patient on the.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Floor he was on thirty five liters a, minute one
hundred percent oxygen through his high flow through his, nose
barely saturating because he HAD covid. Nineteen AND i was
asked to go see him because he was potentially needing
to be intubated or brought to the intensive carrying. IT
i could not believe it BECAUSE i had not seen
(43:16):
one of these in. Months SO i went, down walked
into the, room open the. Door it was an. ISOLATION
i had a mask on the whole nine.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yards the room was completely, dark the blind was.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Closed his daughter was, there and the first words out
of his mouth to me, Was, doc how much time
HAVE i? GOT i, mean it was a, catastrophe like
there was no, light no circadian. Rhythm this guy was.
DEPRESSED i immediately called by respiratory, therapists immediately called the charged.
Nurse we got everybody together AND i, said we need
to get this guy. Outside it was a bright and sunny,
(43:46):
Day how are we going to get this guy? Outside
thirty five liters one hundred. Percent my respiratory, Therapist, kim
managed to put a couple of auction tanks together and
we were able to get this guy into a wheelchair
and we wheeled him. Outside and he told me this weeks,
later but he, says you know that first day that
(44:06):
you got me outside in the, sun because we did
this for like seven days in a, row he said
that felt so. Good he after just one day dropped
down from thirty five liters to fifteen leaders fifteen liters
of oxygen and then down to, twelve and then down
to eight the next, day and then down to five
five days.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
The amount of oxygen he was inhaling to correct.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Correct so in other, words we were tight trading down
the amount of oxygen that we had to give him
to maintain a saturation in the. Nineties in five, days
he was discharged home without. Oxygen, now obviously that's an, anecdote,
right that's not a. Study But i'm looking at the
risks of getting people out in the sun for fifteen twenty.
Minutes there's not a lot of risk to. That and
(44:48):
if there's a. BENEFIT i thought it was worthwhile. Doing
we need to have larger randomized control. Trials but it
got me down the road to looking to see what
was it about sunlight that was affecting this, change and
you know, what there was there's ample. Data there was
a study actually that was done In europe where they
(45:09):
looked they, said, okay HERE'S.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Covid COVID's going. Up when DOES covid go? Up is
it because of temperature that? Changes is it because of?
Humidity and the answers to both of those were. No
do you know what predicted when countries were to have
their first surge in the autumn of twenty. Twenty there
was a study that was actually done on. This it was.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Latitude it started In finland and then really it went
down the entire. Continent the last country in the in
the autumn of twenty twenty to have A covid surge Was.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Greece so as.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
The sun is literally pulling down into the southern, hemisphere
as the shadow starts to go Over, europe that's when
we start to SEE covid surges one by one by.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
One there was, yeah is.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
That BECAUSE covid and the sun aren't. Friends so if
it makes it harder to, spread because you, know IF
i PUT covid on this table and THEN i put
some light on the, table the cavid is going to.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Die, yeah it's, possible although we now know THAT covid
probably doesn't spread too much through. Contact it's more of
an airborne. Thing so there was a study that was
done out A university Of edinburgh and they looked at
this very question that we had talked about earlier about VITAMIN.
D they looked at The United states in the, wintertime
(46:22):
and they eliminated the southern part of The United states
because in the southern part of The United states you
can actually get some VITAMIN d in the. Wintertime so
they just looked at the sort of the northern portion
of The United states and they were able to show
that the more sunlights there was in particular, areas the
lower the mortality FROM covid. Nineteen so they, said this is,
(46:42):
interesting what about In? England so they did the exact
same study In england and sure, enough of course they
didn't have to eliminate any part Of england because the
whole country doesn't get in any VITAMIN d in the.
Wintertime what they showed was that again certain parts of
the country In, england as you, know get more sunlight
than other. Parts those areas that got more sunlight had
lower mortality FROM covid. Nineteen then they took the same they,
(47:07):
predicated the same study and they looked In italy exactly
the same finding and they published this and they said
in their, study and this is what really amazed, Me they,
said the fact if this is, causal they, say they
said that this might actually show a possible public health.
(47:28):
Intervention the fact that it is completely independent of VITAMIN
d means that there's something else going.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
On there was a study in twenty and eleven In. Sweden,
yes is that linked to, This.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
No this is a completely different. Study but that's also
a very important. Study so The swedish study is. Groundbreaking
this was a study where they asked twenty thirty Thousand
swedish women about their habits in. Sunlight and they divided
these women into three, categories those women that did not
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get a lot of, sun those that got a moderate
amount of, sun and those that got a lot of.
Sun and they followed them for twenty years and they
kept the track of each one that died and what
they died, of and when they were done with, that
they were astonished because what they found was that the
women who had spent most spent the large amount of
their time, outside or that spent the most amount of time,
(48:23):
outside had the least amount of mortality from, cancer from
cardiovascular disease and non cardiovascular, disease and those that spent
the least amount of time outside had the highest levels of.
That the magnitude difference between those two was so much
that they were able to show that women who In
(48:45):
sweden who spent the most amount of time outside and
smoked had the same mortality as those women that did
not spend as much time outside.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
And did not.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Smoke they were. Equal they were.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Equal in other, words being in that category of not
spending much time outside in the sun was the same
risk factor for death as.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Smoking how do they know it wasn't linked to? Exercise
how are they able to establish? Causation because that's.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
An absolutely that's an excellent.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Question so the difference here as you go up is
this is an association. Study, Okay so the question is
is how can you get causation from? Association you. Can't
but if you look at The Bradford hill. Criteria there
is a way that you can potentially make a strong
argument for causation if there's something called a dose response.
(49:39):
Curve in other, words if you can show you're not
just comparing two, things but you're comparing three or. More
if you can show that as you increase the variable
that there is a change in the outputs that is
strongly suggestive of potentially. Causation by the, way this is
exactly what we did to show that smoking causes lung
(49:59):
Can obviously we can't do a randomized control trial hair
you get to, smoke you don't get to, smoke will
follow up in twenty years to see who has lung.
Cancer this is exactly what we. Did we showed that
there was such a strong association with cancer risk with
smoking that we were able to say through association that
smoking causes lung. Cancer by the, Way Richard, weller who's
(50:20):
a dermatologist In, england did just last year a very
similar study as to The sweetest, study except it was
ten times bigger and he did it with both men and.
Women he found the same. Results it was A Uk biobank.
Study what did he Discover he discovered that either from
(50:40):
from solariums or from or being outside using solar radiation,
data he was able to show both on their questionnaire
and also where they, lived that the more light that they,
had the lower their risk of mortality and cancer. Mortality
(51:01):
so the question was does it increase. Melanoma melanoma is
a skin, cancer so that's the big. Risk that's the
big risk that everybody is concerned. About you go out
into the scut sun and you're gonna get skin. Cancer
and he was able to show in that, study this
was like three four hundred thousand people in this study
Uk biobank Study Richard, weller he was able to show
(51:23):
that there was no increased there's no statistical increased risk
of melanoma, incidents but there was a reduction in non
skin cancer. Mortality, okay so here's the trade. Off if
you want to go out into the sun In. England,
okay the benefits are you're going to have a reduction
(51:47):
in non skin cancer, mortality.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
So everything other than skin cancer.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Correct on the other, hand there's no increase in melanoma.
Incidents so that caused him to write in a bed
and publish it and actually you can look up this
op Ed it's a great op ed published in a
in The journal Of Investigative dermatology Called Sunlight time for A,
rethink where he goes through the arguments and he's actually
(52:14):
shown and there's been a number of changes that people
are making around the. Globe so public health organizations that are, saying,
now you, know before we have said that you know
the sun is a deadly laser and you should avoid
it at all, costs we may need to rethink.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
That so you telling me that essentially fifteen minutes in
the sun every day turns on a switch in my
body that improves my mitochondrial, function which is going to
impact a variety of different parts of my. Health is
that essentially what you're.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Saying essentially, Yes and we're looking and this is in
an environment where where we are spending less and less
and less time to give You to put in, perspective
if we were on A british ship three hundred years,
go AND i came to you AND i, said do
you see this little yellow? Fruit just by eating a
little bit of this yellow, fruit all of this disease
(53:07):
that you're seeing around you with your fellow shipmates is
going to GO a, wait that would seem almost, incredulous,
right but that's exactly the.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Case we.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Are the scurvy of the twenty first century is the
lack of. Sunlight everything is. Inside we avoid the. Outside
we avoid, Discomfort we avoid high, temperatures we avoid low.
Temperatures we used to go out and play. Sports we
now are playing virtual sports on. Pads we have windows
(53:38):
that are specifically, designed especially here in Southern, california to
eliminate infrared light because why infrared light comes in and
it heats. Up one of the interesting things we didn't
mention this about infrared light is the way that we
interact with infrared. Light you can tell this on your.
Own you go outside and close your, eyes you can
tell which side of your body the. Side and the
(54:00):
reason is is because that infrared light not only can
penetrate through your, body it's also penetrating through clothes very.
Easily and you can feel that that heat that you're
feeling is the infrared light going through, this going through the,
clothes going through the, skin and interacting with your heat
receptors that are well below the.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Surface so all of, us.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
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indoors the average brit spend?
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Indoors good, question they're almost. IDENTICAL i think The brits
spend a little bit more time outside Than. Americans the
last number For americans was ninety three percent And britz
is ninety two.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
Percent will be born to be, OUTSIDE i think so
you think her ancestors probably spent a huge amount of time.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Outside, Yeah and if you think about WHEN i say,
outside that also brings in to play a number of
other of the new start letters that we haven't talked. About,
Exercise you're much more likely to do good exercise. Outside
you're much more likely to get. Airs that's the right
type of air. Outside the other aspect about infrared light
(56:55):
briefly is that trees are highly reflect of infrared. Light
in other, words if you're in an environment where there
are trees are, present you're going to get much more
of this beneficial infrared light than if you're in a concrete.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Jungle so plants like.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
This in, fact the way that we measure the forestation
of The amazon is through satellite imaging that looks at
infrared light because it reflects infrared light.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Back so the.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Best situation to be in is to be outside on
a green on a day where there's lots of green.
Trees we've known for we've known for decades that people
who live in green spaces do much better in terms of,
diabetes do much better in terms of, hypertension, mortality all
of these.
Speaker 1 (57:43):
Things, depression, depression all of these. Things, yeah and when
you think about, this you bring up a point in
terms of. Correlation how do we know it's not. Depression
we used to, say, well people who live in green
spaces have more money that people, have they have more
access to. Things maybe that's what we're. SEEING i just
have to take you this. Study there was something called
(58:04):
The Green Heart study In South, Louisville. Kentucky they did
an amazing. Thing they took this four square mile area
In South, Louisville, kentucky urbanized area and they measured EVERYBODY'S.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Hscrp what IS Hscrp highly SENSITIVE c reactive. Protein it's
a marker of inflammation and it's been correlated to bad
things like stroke and heart. Attack so if you have
high levels OF, crp that's not. Good so they measured
Every they measured about seven hundred, people and then they
(58:38):
did something. Extraordinary they purchased eight thousand mature, trees dug
holes and planted eight thousand trees into four square mile.
Area and these are trees with leaves on. Them two years,
later they come back and they measure all seven hundred
people in their study repeat THE hrcrp dropped by thirteen
(59:00):
to twenty, percent which correlated to about a ten to
fifteen percent reduction in. Strokes these people didn't change their socioeconomic,
status they didn't institute an exercise, program and so really
it kind of shoots in the heart the idea that
the advantage that we see with green spaces has to
do with something else that we're not. MEASURING i actually
(59:21):
believe that we'll talk about fresh air, too that things
like these plants but much. Bigger this is kind of
like a bons eye, plant but trees outside they actually
have a. Benefit and what they represent again is these
things that don't leverage the other parts of your body
(59:42):
in terms of the, chains that make all of the
chains bigger because they're having a. Benefit but you can't
get the benefit of this if you're inside a.
Speaker 3 (59:51):
House so what should we do about this in terms
of what changes SHOULD i make in my life to
capitalize on. This this is a breathless brand here is
called Bond. Charge they do these these red light. Devices
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because of my. Girlfriend, yeah she was wearing it every,
day AND i got, curious and SO, i AS i always,
Do i'm always super. Skeptical, Sure SO i went on
online and started looking at some of the research AND
i was. Shocked, yeah it made no intuitive sense to
me that a red light mask or any like red
light device could have a, profound like WHAT i see
as a profound impact on my. Health LIKE i didn't believe. It,
yes to start, with it was like woo woo stuff to,
(01:00:34):
me AND i couldn't disprove. It all the, studies many
of which you've, referenced supported that it was having a profound.
Impact and As i've said on this podcast, before my
girlfriends always. Right she's like always ahead of the coup
and always. Right SO i started wearing her, mask and
NOW i have my own from Bond. Charge, yeah do
you recommend these kinds of.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
THINGS i think it's reasonable to. DO i will say,
this if you are getting enough infra red light from the.
Sun what we in, studies not particularly with the, mass
but we find in other things is that these other
areas don't have as much. Efficacy it's almost to, say
if you're on a ship with a bunch of people
with scurvy and you already have a diet that's rich
(01:01:12):
in vegetables and, fruits eating an extra lemon.
Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Is not gonna be that. Beneficial so what do you?
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Do like a lot of doctors, do we have shifts
that go from seven am to seven. Pm so you're
in the, hospital you're not going to get. Outside so at,
LUNCH i try to get outside as much AS i
possibly can into the sun for my fifteen.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Minutes what if you live in a cloudy, Country so.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
That's a good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Point, clouds because they are water, molecules will absorb a
lot of the infrared. Lights and the problem is is
that that's exactly the type of light that you want to.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Get, however even on a cloudy, day being.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Outside you're going to get more infrared light than if
you were.
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Inside, okay SO i still get the LIGHT i need
when it's, cloudy BUT i just don't get a. Lot, yes,
exactly is there ANYTHING i can do to Get if
it's super cloudy AND i Know i'm going to be,
indoors what DO i do?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Then, yeah so the light the type of lights that
we have inside like these ones like these and and
ACTUALLY i think THE uk and The United states are
very similar in this, regard is that we really can't
get the old incandescent. Bulbs we're ON led or or.
Fluorescent and if you think about what they've done in
terms of these, bulbs the old incandescent bulbs used to
(01:02:29):
give you a very broad, spectrum so all the way
from you, know just near, blue all the way down
into the into the. Infrared the way that they've made
the bulbs more efficient and they, said, hey let's stop
using energy to give off this light that we can't
see and give a very narrow spectrum of light that
we can. See so think about what they've. Done they
(01:02:52):
have for the first time in the history of. Humanity
they are now we are now being exposed to light
in a very arrow spectrum without anything else. Whatever in
the history of, humankind when we light a, candle when
we would go outside into the, sunlight when we would
have a kerosene, lamp we were getting full. Spectrum in other,
(01:03:14):
words we were never getting blue lights without red. Lights
now we're starting to get blue light without red.
Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Light so DO i change my.
Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Bulbs it's difficult to do that because you can't pick
up in these incandescent, bulbs which brings me to at
least in The United, states we have laws now that
outlaw the regular selling of incandescent bulbs because of energy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Efficiency oh, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
I'm On google now And i've typed an incandescent.
Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Bulb so there's something called a general service, lamp which
is what the type of bulbs that you could plug.
In but if you decide that you want to get
a bulb that you put into your, microwave or a
bulb that you would do into a type of chandelayer
that's a special type of, chandelier those are still. Available
you can still get incandescent bulbs for.
Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Those what about these kinds of is not an incandescent?
Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Bulb that's that is that is an incandescent bulb again
for these special type of. Lights But i'm talking about
the light like the like the good old FASHIONED a
NINETY i think it's called a light bulb that you
just screw. In those are the one hundred and twenty.
Watts those are getting more. Difficult it's harder to. Find
you can't go down to your home depot and find them.
There So Glenn jeffrey and this is this is a
(01:04:25):
preprint that is he's. Done he actually took people with
that we're working in this environment WITH led. Bulbs he's
actually it's not peer, reviewed it's not published, yet but
it's a. Preprint it's available on the, internet So i'm
not speaking out of. Class and what he did with
twenty two people is he switched out THESE led bulbs
(01:04:47):
and put in incandescent bulbs and there was a there
was a twenty five percent improvement in in color differentiation
in his.
Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Study what does that? Mean they were.
Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Able to distinguish colors twenty five percent better than they
were when they were exposed TO. Led WHEN i SAY led,
bulbs these are the bulbs that are high on the blue.
End so why would that be the, retina which is
the back of your eye wherein the light is coming.
In there's these cones that are tremendously metabolically. Active they're constantly,
(01:05:20):
updating sending neuro signals to the brain and there's it's
the one tissue in your body with the most amount of,
mitochondria and it's because they have to supply a lot
of energy as somebody gets, older that mitochondria is not
producing the same amount of, energy and so the ability
of the energy that those cones have to draw on
(01:05:41):
to do their work is, less and so they're not
going to do the job as. Well if you can
perhaps increase the amount of output of energy from those,
mitochondria you could improve the the ability to visually. Perceive
And Glenn jeffrey's done this study of where he for
(01:06:01):
just three, minutes six hundred and sevent nanimeter light very
similar to that mask in the, eye only in the,
morning improved those people's ability to visualize and actually.
Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
See and what does that mean for the broader picture
Of they.
Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Would be able to distinguish colors better and actually improve their.
Vision that's basically what it. Means and so the question
goes back to the first question that you had at
the very beginning of the, podcast which is what is
the effect of low energy output from the. Mitochondria, well
it depends on what tissue the mitochondria is, in and
so if it's in the, eye then it's going to
(01:06:41):
be a better visual. Perception if it's in the, brain it's.
Dementia if it's you see What i'm, saying so what
we start to see is we start to see that
a myriad of different diseases are affected by THE. SUN
i challenge anyone to do. This if you look at
a publication in The United, States i've seen it where
(01:07:01):
they map out the amount.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Of deaths in a.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Calendar, day cardiac, disease respiratory, disease kidney, disease, pneumonia all
sorts of, diseases infectious, diseases non infectious. Diseases you will
see a very clear. Pattern the maximum amount of deaths
every year occurs within a month after the shortest day
(01:07:26):
of the, year so we're Talking December. January we see
the most amount of influenza deaths at that, time we
see the most amount of cardiac deaths at that, time
we see the most amount of kidney deaths at that.
Time so you might, ask, well that's because that's because
people get together At christmas time and they spread the
(01:07:49):
germs around more and we Have thanksgiving in Late november
here in The United, states and that's what's going. On
the problem is if you look At, australia which is
on the other, end so when is their longest day
of the, Year their longest day of the year is In,
december and that's when they have the least amount of,
deaths despite the fact that they're all getting together For
(01:08:10):
christmas In, december so that doesn't.
Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Fly it's exactly the.
Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Opposite the most amount of deaths occur In australia in
The Southern hemisphere In june To.
Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
July that's their.
Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Winter and so what you see is deaths are correlated
to the length of the. Day this is the reason
why whenever they have to whenever they show you deaths
in the, year they always have to seasonally adjust.
Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
It and the length of the day is approxy for
the amount of.
Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Sunlight, absolutely you're much more likely to get sunlight on
the longest day of the year than the shortest day the,
year especially when and this is well, known there are some,
months especially in people who are doing shift, work like
seven am to seven. Pm there's literally Like december And,
january you will not see the sun because you are
(01:08:58):
going off to work before the sun gets up and
you're coming home after the sun is long, set so
you're not able to see the. Sun and so you
could go literally weeks without seeing the sun at.
Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
All is there an optimal time of day to get.
Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Sunlight, yes so optimal time of day to get sunlight
would be for those that are concerned about getting damage
from ultraviolet. Radiation as we talked, about when the sun
is low in the, sky that's going to be beneficial
because the ultraviolet cannot penetrate obliquely through the atmosphere as
(01:09:34):
well as long wavelength.
Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Radiation so when.
Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
The sun is coming up so in the mornings in the,
mornings and when the sun is going down in the,
evenings that's going to be the time where you're going
to get proportionally more infrared light and the least amount
of ultraviolet. Light, now when the sun is directly overhead at,
noon you're going to be getting the most amount of
infrared light at that, time but you're also going to
be getting a lot of ultraviolet. Radiation and so if
(01:09:57):
you're not someone that's gone out into the sun a,
lot you may want to avoid this period of, time
or as we talked, about put on a broad rimmed,
hat put on, CLOTHES i mean more, clothes because as we,
said ultraviolet light does not penetrate through clothes very, well
but infrared light.
Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Can doesn't matter where the sun is hitting on my, body.
Shouldn't so IF i go outside And i'm wearing a big,
hat it's obviously going to cover my, eyes my. Face,
yes it'll be hitting my.
Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Legs for the purposes that we're talking about with the,
mitochondria it will not. Matter, however if we're talking about circadian.
Rhythm if we're talking about getting the circadian, rhythm that
pathway is through the. Eyes so you want to maximize
light through the. Eyes, Yeah so this type of a
light is called the sad. Light so your question had
to do with what part of the body doesn't need
to touch so or need to be. Touching so for
(01:10:48):
the effect of the mitochondria and the metabolic, effects it
should not.
Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Matter.
Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Okay for this type of a, light, though what we're
looking at is circadian, rhythm and that's a completely different
system that we're talking.
Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
About that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Mitochondrial that has to do with the internal clock that's
in your brain that is regulating when all of these
things in your body. Happens and this light is about
ten thousand. Lucks lucks is a way of measuring the
brightness of, light and what studies have shown is that
when you shine this type of a light into your.
Eyes it's the way of adjusting your circadian. Rhythm you
(01:11:26):
if you have a clock and it's not set to
the right, time there's a little thing at the back
that you can pull out and you can change the.
Time that pulling out and changing the time about when
things happen in your body is affected most by, light
and light can actually shift it one way or the,
other depending on when you're shining that. Light if you're
shining the light in the morning, time and this is
(01:11:46):
what a lot of people do is they'll use these
these what they CALL sad. LIGHTS sad stands for seasonal affective.
Disorder these, lights especially in the, morning have a way
of not only setting your circadian, rhythm making sure it's on,
track but also reducing. Depression there's a portion in your
brain that receives light informations called the perihebenular. Nucleus it's
(01:12:10):
a long, name but it's back there and if it
doesn't get, stimulated it can cause. Depression and so for
people who live at high, latitudes further, away closer to the,
poles where the sun is getting up very late in
the morning and they're already off at work inside this
can actually be very. Beneficial so WHAT i would recommend.
Doing you can pick these up pretty cheaply On amazon
(01:12:31):
for about twenty, bucks but they should generally be about
eleven to sixteen inches from your, face and what people
should be getting is about three thousand lux. Hours and
WHAT i mean by lux hours is you multiply the
lux times the amount of hours that you're wearing. It
so three thousand is where you ought to. Be because
this is ten thousand. Lucks you only have to look
(01:12:54):
at it for about a third of an hour or twenty,
minutes and that should be.
Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Enough so is this a replacement for going out?
Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Side it's a replacement for going outside because of the
fact that you're living at a very high latitude and
the sun is not, up and because of the job
that you have it it's going to have that. Effect
but realize that this will not replace the effect that
the sun has on your. Mitochondria this is only to
affect the effect that lack of sunlight has on.
Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Depression, okay, yes what If i'm looking at the sun
out of a.
Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Window it depends on the, window so you're not still
the window is going to be reducing the amount of
luck SO i would not. Recommend if you, CAN i
would not. RECOMMEND i would not say that staying inside
looking out the window is the same as going.
Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Outside that's number.
Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
One the other thing that you have to understand is
a lot of these, windows especially if they're modern, windows
will be specifically designed to reduce infrared.
Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
LIGHT i want you to give some any information you, Have,
yeah as it relates to light. Health, yeah that will
improve my. Life things THAT i can actionably do. Tomorrow
obviously one of them is That i'm going to go
outside and make SURE i get some sun like idly
in the. Morning, yes we talked about this sad for,
people especially that live in certain countries which have less
sunlight correct to set the circadian rhythm and to help
(01:14:07):
with things like mental. Health is there anything ELSE i
should be thinking about or can do or. Change.
Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yes, so just like we had in our mnemonic of new,
start rest and exercise both at the same, time and
then yet they're sort of like opposite of each. Other
it's important to have. Darkness, okay it's important to have,
darkness and.
Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
This is a real.
Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Issue this is one of the biggest issues is the
fact there was a study that was published recently and
the title was dark days and bright, nights and that
correlated with increased.
Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Mortality so that's how most of us. Live that's the.
Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Problem we have dark days and we have bright, nights
and what we really should be having is bright days
and dark. Nights so just as important as it is
to have bright sunlight and getting outside in the middle
of the, day we also need to start working on
getting darker nights as.
Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Well and how do we do?
Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
That turning things, off getting these screens away from our.
Eyes these are really important because the screens have a
lot of light and the. Light what's going on? Here
this is the reason why it's. Important there's two reasons,
actually is the light that's going into our eyes is
doing two things at. Night number, one it is shutting
(01:15:17):
down melatonin production from the pineal. Gland and as we
just talked, about melatonin's a very powerful antioxidant that's very.
Beneficial the second thing that it's doing is it's confusing
your circadian. Rhythm you, see your circadian rhythm is designed
to see light as. Day if your eyes are seeing,
light your brain thinks it's the. Day so if it's
(01:15:39):
ten o'clock at night and your eyes are seeing. Light
your circadian rhythm is, SAYING i must have made a.
MISTAKE i thought it was ten. O'clock it must not
be ten o'clock because, look there is. Light and so
what it's going to do is it's going to adjust
itself and delay everything because it's, saying, well it can't
be ten o'clock at, night it must be six.
Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
O'clock and so there.
Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
For when you would normally feel tired and sleepy at
ten o'clock at, night after a number of days of doing,
this you're not going to feel sleepy until one o'clock
in the.
Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Morning these devices we, have they spin out a lot
of blue, light, right, yes is there a way to
turn that? Off?
Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, well actually a lot of these come with the
tied to the, clock where after a certain time of
night it will shift it's a spectrum to a more red,
spectrum so it's giving you less blue. Light the problem
is is that while the sensor in your eyes are
tuned more to blue, light it's not just blue. Light
(01:16:39):
so really the, solution the best solution is to turn
off the. Light the next best solution is to have
more of a red, shift or you, know put these
glasses on at. Night so these are blue. Blockers they're
trying to eliminate. Blue But i'm still getting light in
and that's enough light to shut down melatonin.
Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Production so even with those, on, yeah, Absolutely but you're
telling me these.
Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Help they're better than not turning off the, light.
Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
And you're SAYING i still get light in because there's
light coming over.
Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
There even that light there is still going to bleed
and it's going to bleed into that part of the
spectrum and cause melotonin to be shut.
Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Down.
Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah so it's just the eyes the sort of the
broometer for correct what time of day is.
Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Correct and the problem is is that even when you
close your, lids light can still get through the.
Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Lids what do you think of these sleep. MASKS i
THINK i.
Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Think they're great in terms of the fact that we
now know that closing your eyelids still can allow some
light to go. In so if you're in if you're
sleeping in an environment where you know light is out
of your, control if you're living in the city and
you can close your blinds but there's still light that's coming,
in these things could actually be very. BENEFICIAL i don't
(01:17:51):
recommend night lights in bedrooms you don't, recommend do not
even even clock radios or air conditioners WITH led displays on.
Them that's that's just like total light pollution to your.
Bedroom your bedroom should be as dark as. Possible what
IF i.
Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Have those lamps that don't have blue light in, them
BECAUSE i think my girlfriends put some of those by the. Bed,
yeah they they still look.
Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Great, again the best thing is no. Light the second
best thing is light with no blue light in, it
and then the worst is.
Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You, know blue.
Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Light what about candle? Light that's.
Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Interesting there was a study that was done where they
compared someone reading at night with a book with a
light bulb shining on it versus THE led you, know
like a kindle or. Whatever, okay what they found was
that there was a lot more light coming out of
the kindle than there was just reading the book with
the with the, lamp and it read and it delayed
(01:18:48):
sleep on.
Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Set so which delayed sleep on? Set the?
Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Kindle the?
Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Kindle, yeah it delayed sleep on enough to actually shut
down actually delay the circadian rhythm and shut down melotonin.
Production so the answer to your question is candlelight's? Great
the only Thing i'd be concerned about is just the fire.
Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Risk, yeah you fall asleep with that thing. Exactly so
the adjacent topic there was VITAMIN, d which we touched
on a little. Bit do VITAMIN d supplements? Work, oh,
yeah certainly they do. Work, Oh i've tested.
Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Them, yeah there's a number of studies that have come.
Out martineau actually published in The British Medical. Journal this
was back before twenty. Twenty it was a meta analysis
of randomized control trials showed that people who supplement every
day with VITAMIN d had lower risks of acute chest.
Syndrome the other, one there was a recent study that
came out that showed that people who supplemented with two
(01:19:36):
thousand international units a daily of VITAMIN d had a
lower risk of all cause autoimmune. Conditions we're talking rheumatoid,
Arthritis crohn's, disease alterative, colitis you name. It that was
a study that came out that we actually reviewed that
on our medcram channel.
Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Because i've heard before in the past that lot of
vitamin supplements we take don't even get into our bloodstream
and into elve. Bodies.
Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Yeah so so VITAMIN d is very. Interesting it is
a supplement and it is a vitamin but it's also a.
Hormone it's it's it actually MANIPULATES dna, production so it's
it is quite. Interesting but these these are are well
described randomized control. Trials so if you're looking at the autoimmune,
(01:20:22):
condition this was actually a study that was designed.
Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Looking at cardiac.
Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Disease they actually had two, arms one with omega fatty
acids and in VITAMIN, d and they showed that in
the VITAMIN d group there was a statistically reduction statistically
significant reduction in autoimmune. CONDITIONS i supplement with VITAMIN. D
i just here's the here's the CONCERN i have is
(01:20:47):
if you are going to supplement with VITAMIN, d make
sure that you get your levels. Checked what the reason
is is because it is a fat soluble vitamin and
it is possible to take too.
Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Much.
Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Happens if you take too, much it.
Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Can affect calcium metabolism and you can have issues with
calcium too high levels of. Calcium it's very, rare but
it can. Happen AND i don't mean to say that
in a sense THAT i WOULD i dissuade people from,
supplementing BECAUSE i think supplementation can be. Good but at
some point you want to get a level check to
see where you. Are the other reason is because based
(01:21:24):
on your body habitists based on your skin. Color because
people who with darker, skin it's harder for them to
make their own VITAMIN. D they need to be more time,
outside especially if they're at high.
Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Latitudes so like me living in THE, uk, EXACTLY i
need to be outside.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
More it's going to be harder for you to make
as much VITAMIN d as somebody, who for, instance if
you were living at a lower latitude or if you
had lighter.
Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Skin, yeah what is VITAMIN d doing in my? Body?
Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Ah good.
Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Question lots of things so VITAMIN. D if you were
to look at the structure of VITAMIN. D, ACTUALLY i
actually did research on this interestingly in, college used to
make starting material for the graduate. Students it's a lipid soluble,
molecule and because it's lipid, soluble it's able to go
right through into the nucleus and actually go onto THE
(01:22:10):
dna and combine with proteins that actually affect the transcription
of YOUR. Dna so in other, words depending on which
cell type we're talking, about it can cause a lot
of interesting. Changes so it affects calcium. Metabolism there's VITAMIN
d receptors on your immune, system so it affects your immune,
(01:22:31):
system affects calcium, metabolism a whole host of.
Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Things my team did some research and found that approximately
one billion people globally have a VITAMIN d. Deficiency now
it's about fifty percent of the global population has insufficient
levels of VITAMIN.
Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
D, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah so the issue is is that as the world
becomes more, industrialized as the world becomes more well, off
they're able to create dwellings and they're able to air
condition those, dwellings and we as human, beings tend to avoid.
Extremes we don't like things too, hot we don't like
things too. Cold, well let's face, it in our, cars
(01:23:09):
we have something called climate. Control we can set, that
we can set the temperature and that's what the temperature
is going to be. There there's other implications which we
can talk about in terms of, hydrotherapy perhaps if we
get to. That but the issue is is we don't
like those. Extremes we don't like going out into the,
sun and when we don't do, that we suffer the.
Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Consequences is there a way for me to get VITAMIN
d without supplementation and without going into the.
Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Sun, yes it's in certain foods as. Well mushrooms for,
instance certain types.
Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Of fish they have VITAMIN d in them as.
Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Well this is a strange, question but do you think
our body knows which foods we're deficient? In and, really
What i'm saying there, is If i'm VITAMIN d, deficient
do you think there's a part of my body that
knows THAT i need to eat? Mushrooms it's a good,
question and that makes me hungry for. MUSHROOM i don't
know about that.
Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
PARTICULARLY i can say this, though in people who don't
get enough, sleep we tend to have a predilection to eating.
Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
More horrible hydrate rich.
Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Foods that one we do, know, okay and we can
and this is the reason why people who do this
is the reason why many scientists believe that people who
don't get enough sleep tend to have food choices that
tend to put weight.
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compelled to talk? About? Next?
Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Water?
Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Water, yeah, okay so tell me what you mean by
water because people will, think, YEAH i drink enough.
Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Water, well first of, ALL i don't think we do
drink enough. Water but what everyone talks, about you, know
the internal use of, water and it makes, sense but
AS i was talking about, before the external use of
water can actually be very, impressive and it has to
deal with a body temperature and it has to do
with the immune. System so we'll talk about, water but
(01:25:53):
let's sort of set the framework for that. Conversation your
immune system is broken up into two, feet into two.
Types there's the innate immune system and the. Adaptive we've
become very familiar with the adaptive immune system DURING covid
because all of the talk was about antibodies and antigens
and the fact that sarscov two was mutating and would
the vaccines that made antibodies against them be still functional
(01:26:18):
all of, that where we have like where we literally
have a key with a keyhole that it fits into
and turns the, lock and these antibodies and they. Fit
that's all the adaptive immune. System it's very, important but
it completely eliminates or removes from discussion the innate immune.
System the innate immune system is really the body's first,
(01:26:38):
defense and what's happening there is there's these cells that
are circulating cells like monocytes and natural killer cells and
a number of other cells which scour the body always
looking for something that looks foreign to, it and it
can tell based on the molecular patterns of these invaders
(01:27:01):
that they're not supposed to be there and they should
be eaten. Up the major effector of this innate immune
system is something called. Interferon interferon is a very important
molecule in the, body and it is. Effective it is
so effective at preventing viral infections that just about every
(01:27:26):
single viral infection that plagues the human body today has
a defense mechanism against.
Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Interferon it is a.
Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Prerequisite there's no self respecting virus that can think that
it can infect the human body without dealing with the
issue of.
Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Interferon.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Period think about interferon as the security guard at the,
bank and if you are wont to rob a, bank
you've got to have a plan for how you're going
to deal with the security, guard otherwise you're not getting the.
Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Money does that make.
Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Sense.
Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Yeah so there was actually an article that was published
a couple of years ago where they talked about this
battle between interferon and emerging viruses and what viruses are
doing to try to get around. Interferon you may recall
that back in two thousand and, two we had an
outbreak of something CALLED, sars which especially was pretty bad In,
(01:28:18):
china but also In.
Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Canada the reason why we were.
Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Able to secure that outbreak was because that everybody who
came down WITH sars developed a, fever and so it
was easy to tell who those people were and we
were able to hospitalize and isolate. Them the issue With
Stars kobe, two and indeed many infections like the common,
cold is that you don't necessarily get a, fever and
(01:28:45):
fever is really, important and you're, like what does this
have to do with? Water we're going to talk about.
This interferon production goes up with, temperature and in, fact
the body's fever mechanism is one of the ways that
it tells the body that it needs to increase interferren
(01:29:06):
to deal with the viral.
Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Infection is that why you feel, hot.
Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
You feel, hot you may actually feel. Cold and the
reason why you might feel cold and even have chills
is because the way you feel is a product of
what your temperature is and what your thermostat in your
body is set. To so if your body in your
if your body's thermostat is, saying, okay here we are
at ninety eight six OR i guess in terms of.
Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Celsia's thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Degrees and you develop an, infection the body is going to, say,
whoa we have an infection and we need to increase
the body. Temperature we're going from thirty seven degrees or
ninety eighty six up to thirty eight degrees or one
hundred point. Four because your actual body temperature is below
where your body wants it to. Be you're going to feel.
Cold you're going to shiver to try to increase that.
(01:29:52):
Temperature so you go up with. That, now once the
fever is done and the infection is done and it comes, down.
Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
You're going to have you're going to break a.
Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Sweat so that's why when someone, oh he's, sweating that
means the fever is. Breaking that means your temperature is coming.
Down so typically you'll feel, cold you'll feel like you're,
shivering you'll want to get into bed and put the covers,
on and that's when your temperature goes. Up and that's
for a reason because what happens when the temperature goes
up in your body is that creates an environment where
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the virus that can't replicate very. Well all viruses really
cannot replicate very well at high, temperatures including starscov. Two
it's also a signal to your body to produce more.
Interferon so there was a study that was published last
year where they looked in, mice which by the, way
have the same body temperatures we, do and they found
(01:30:43):
that there was like five different regulatory, proteins all of
which led to one end, point and that was to
produce this thing called. Interferon all of them jumped in
production when your body went from thirty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Degrees to eight. Degrees that's basically right below a. Fever.
Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Right, so the the take on point THAT i got
from all of that was that we should not really
be treating fevers unless they're so high that there's other
complications that could, occur like you, know racing heart rates
or or having.
Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Seizures but we do this all the.
Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Time we treat fevers because it makes us feel, bad
and we think that by treating the fever will feel.
Better but what we're actually doing is we're cutting the
legs out from our immune. System because part of the
immune system response is to generate a, fever and the
fever generates interferre. On NOW i don't want to overstate,
this but let's compare the innate immune system to the
(01:31:43):
adaptive immune.
Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
System the adaptive immune system is pretty specific for a
particular variant of a, virus and for a virus that
mutates very, rapidly like Stars kobe, two the immunization may
be very good in terms of, binding but if that
that virus, mutates that binding is going to be affected
in some. Way it may not affect, hospitalization but maybe
(01:32:06):
in terms of preventing. Infection you don't understand What i'm.
Saying so the different.
Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Variants we had the alpha, variant then we had the delta,
variant then we had, omicron et.
Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Cetera those are material changes.
Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
For the adaptive immune, system for the innate immune, system for,
interferon it doesn't. Matter interferon is just as effective against
alpha as it was for, delta as it would be for.
Omicron so let's set this up.
Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Again. Water we said that water has a very high specific,
heat which means that IF i apply hot water onto
the human, body it's able to transfer. Heat this is
why people can get burned with boiling. Water we don't
obviously want to burn, anybody but if we're able to
put them into a, sauna if we're able to put
(01:32:54):
them into a, spy if we're able to use hot
towels and apply it to the human body to heat
up their to cause a. Sweat in other, words if
we're able to induce artificial fevers in patients who have these,
infections there seems to be evidence that the interferre on
response will be.
Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Better there was a study that was done looking at
lymphocytes and taking them out of the human body and
at different. Temperatures once it hit about thirty eight thirty nine,
degrees there was off the charts tenfold increase in interferre,
on which is exactly what you would want to. Have,
now how DO i know that interferre on levels are
so important in things LIKE covid. Nineteen, well there was
(01:33:34):
a study that was done that showed that high levels
of interferon correlated with more MILD SARS covid two, infections
and that people that had low interfere on levels had
very SEVERE covid nineteen.
Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Infections so you suggesting that we should be in the
sauna more, Often.
Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Yes and it's based on data that has been well
documented in the finished sauna. Realm so people who use
sauna four or, five, six seven times a week are
more likely to have less death from cardiovascular disease than
(01:34:15):
people who use sauna once a. Week And finland once
a week is kind of the.
Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
Standard and why do they say to do hot and
cold therapy?
Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Together so they WOULD i would argue that the reason
why it has been argued to do, this and this
goes back to a number of papers that have been
written back over one hundred years, ago is what you're
doing when you're doing hot for a long period of,
time let's say twenty minutes in the, sauna and what
you're doing is you're heating up the body and the
(01:34:44):
whole purpose of that is to increase the body.
Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Temperature what the.
Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Cold that the end does is it does two, things they.
Believe the first thing that it does is it causes
vase of. Constriction so you put a brief amount of
cold onto the, body it's going to cause vase of
constrictions superficial so that when you're, done you're not going
to lose as much heat through those blood, vessels and
so you're going to keep the core body temperature higher
(01:35:09):
for long which is exactly what you want to. Do
the other thing that cold water, does again is the
vase of. Constriction it's well known that when you take
a cold, shower your blood vessels. Constrict and when you
look at a blood vessel on end in a person
who's living and, circulating there are a number of white
blood cells that are latched on to the inside surface
(01:35:31):
of that blood. Vessel when that blood vessel, contracts a
lot of those white blood cells that were stuck get
kicked off into circulation and they go off and they
do whatever it is that they're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Do it's called.
Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Demargination so two. Things for cold right at the, end
doesn't have to be very, long maybe just a. Minute
it causes actually to keep your body temperature higher for, longer.
Ironically and number two. Demargination so that's.
Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
Water which is the w.
Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Of?
Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
These which one do you want to pick? Next which
ones you find most. Compelling let's talk about air real.
Briefly so we said that air is not just the
lack of toxins but actually. Benefits so first of, all
we want to have good. Oxygen we want to get
rid of carbon, dioxide especially in buildings when there's no,
(01:36:20):
ventilation that's not. Good but there's been an actually a
number of studies looking at plants and trees and the
fact that they can give off things like phyton.
Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Sides what's that these our aromatic compounds that the tree
actually gives. Off and when we look to see the
effect of these compounds on the human, body they're actually very.
Beneficial they interact with our immune system and elevate our immune,
system and it actually can make us more. Relaxed there's
a lot of data in The japanese literature on, this
(01:36:50):
in the what they call The hanoki cypress forests where
they looked at these. CEOs there's a podcast about. CEOs
there's these CEOs In, japan and they took them from
their their jobs and basically took them up into the
mountains of The Hanoch cyprus and had them walk, around
took blood, tests and they found that the natural killer,
(01:37:11):
cells which are so important in terms of, immunity were
not only increased in, number but they were also the
the the the enzymes within them that break down diseases
or viruses were also. Increased so when they brought them
back down to the city In. Japan they put them
(01:37:31):
up in hotels and they infused some of these these,
chemicals these naturally produced phytin sides they're, called and they
had almost exactly the same effect in these in these.
Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Subjects so you think plants and being out in nature
can actually be giving us much more than just clean.
Air it's giving us chemicals which help us fight. Disease absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
So so again here's this dichotomy inside versus. Outside what
do you get when you're. Outside we've already talked about,
Exercise we've already talked about, sunlight and now we're adding.
Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
To it fresh.
Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Air not just the fact that you have low, pollutants
which is certainly very, important but the fact that when
you're around green, plants when you're around green, trees there
could actually be a. Benefit by the, way the benefit
that they found lasted for about seven, days so just
going out one day a week can actually have that.
Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
BENEFIT i think a lot about carbon dioxide because, obviously
BECAUSE i spent a lot of time sat in the
studio recording and this is our BIG la, studio but
in THE uk it started in a really small, room,
yes and there was an air, conditioning and OBVIOUSLY i
sit here sometimes for several hours with a, guest and
we're RECYCLING co two at that. Point, yes and Then
(01:38:47):
i've read a couple of studies that showed the impact
that would have with my cognisive. Performance, yes that's all.
Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
True we actually had on our channel With meg crom
we had Doctor Joseph allen out of The Harvard Public
school Of health and he showed. US i mean he
literally had THE co two meter and just by cracking
the window just a little bit allowed carbon dioxide to
escape and brought down those carbon dioxide. Levels so very important,
(01:39:13):
Absolutely and for.
Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
People that work in offices or you, know travel in
hotel rooms or are inside a, lot what should they
be thinking about and how can they go about making
sure that the air quality is.
Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Optimal, well the surrogate for that is carbon, dioxide as we,
Mentioned so is cracking open a window if they're able,
to if there's a door that they can open up
safely without compromising. Security these are all things that would
be very, Beneficial even rolling down the window in the
car and maybe taking making sure that we're taking the
(01:39:45):
recirculation button off're when we're.
Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Driving i've got friends that won't stay in certain hotel
rooms unless the window, opens because you, know in a
lot of hotel rooms especially you've got a high up
you can't open the. Windows and there's also a bunch
of devices that we in OUR uk studio which is,
smaller we found On amazon for you, know not super,
expensive that we just sometimes put on the floor in
the studio just to, see, yeah how we're. Doing i'll
link some of that stuff on screen if anyone's interested
(01:40:09):
in getting seeing what THE c two levels are in
whatever room you're working. In, yeah what is what's next
on your? List then?
Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Here well we've talked about i mean, exercise, nutrition. Temperance
these are things that a lot of people talk. About
not many people talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Trust when you say, trust you really mean religious faith.
Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
And religious faith something that would give you a way
of dealing with stress and. Anxiety that's really where this comes.
Down and there's been actually a number of studies that
have looked at. That so, yeah basically The, bible or
it doesn't have to be The bible as, well there's
there's other faith denominations that look into this as. Well
(01:40:47):
a number of studies that have looked at trust In
god and how that relates to. Anxiety so a number
of studies have shown that people who have a good
faith and trust in a god that is or in
a religion that is supportive and not non, supportive can
they have less, anxiety less, depression have a faith community
(01:41:09):
that they can engage with and be. Supportive AND i
think that that the literature is whereas you have the
science behind that is not as strict as it would
be for like a, randomized specific controlled. Trial there's a
lot of associations that you have to say here that
it certainly is one of those pillars THAT i believe.
Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Helps with all of those. Links what do.
Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
You think is going on? There so you're telling me
that from what the literature is, saying people who have
a faith in a, god, yes are insulated from depression
and anxiety in some interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Way, yeah that's a question that a lot of people
have tried to, answer and they believe that it comes
down to if you have a trust in A god
that is looking out for you and is there on your,
side then that type of a relationship does lead is
A so let's SAY i shouldn't say it does lead
to because that implies. Causation let's say it's associated with
(01:42:06):
a reduction in depression or reduction and anxiety, particularly there
is an there are some studies that have been, done
particularly In, christianity where there was a study that was.
Published this Is kraus and out OF i Believe university
Of texas where he did a survey and he asked
people how they, forgive and he basically divided them to
(01:42:32):
two different. Groups there were people that would forgive conditionally
and people that would forgive. Unconditionally let me put it
into practical. Terms someone does something to you and you,
say that's, OKAY i forgive. You the question is would
you forgive That there are some people that would only
forgive if that person came back, and you, know did
some sort of act of, contrition like, Okay i'll forgive
(01:42:52):
that person they came back and, apologized Or i'll forgive
that person they came back and they did you, know
whatever it. Is that would be considered conditional. Forgiveness the
other type is unconditional. Forgiveness so in other, words someone
does something to, you you don't see them, again or
or they've never expressed any kind of you, know being
apologetic for what they, did they still get. Forgiven so
(01:43:14):
that's unconditional. Forgiveness what they found in the study when
they divided that is that the people that forgave unconditionally
had less, depression they had less feelings of, inadequacy they
had less anxiety regarding end of, life they had they
had all of, these they had more the people that
(01:43:36):
forgave conditionally had more somatization of. Depression so these were
real medical uh you, know things that they could actually
diagnose with surveys and and tests that are well. Validated
and and what what would decide between these two was
how they. Forgave so they were puzzled by. This they,
(01:43:56):
said well, what, well, well then what determines whether or
not someone is going to forgive can conditionally versus. Unconditionally
so they looked at a bunch of factors and none
of them stood out except for. One and the odds
ratio on this was like two point. Five and it
boiled down to this one, question do you believe That
god has forgiven?
Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
You that was that was the major.
Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Thing if somebody believed that The god that they had
faith in had forgiven, them they were two and a
half times more likely to forgive somebody, unconditionally which meant
which then was associated with all of these other things being,
low like less, depression less. Anxiety so to, me that's
(01:44:40):
that's fascinating that in their minds this is what's actually.
Happening and so there have been randomized control trials where
they have when people are doing, therapy like you, say
heavy of, anxiety there is cognitive behavioral therapy that we
can do for those. People but what has been shown
in a randomized place of controlled fashion is that if
(01:45:01):
somebody is of a faith and you inject into that
cognitive behavioral therapy aspects of that, faith the cognitive behavioral
therapy is even more. Effective SO i GUESS i should
preface this by SAYING i don't believe that any of
(01:45:22):
this stuff should be placed on people without their. Permission
So i'm. WORKING i work in a healthcare. Environment so
DO i go and pray for people who don't? Believe,
no this is something that always has to be, done
has to be asked.
Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Permission do you, Think, yeah people.
Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Who believe In god are healthier generally all other.
Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Factors it would seem that data would indicate that people
who have a healthy relationship with their, church who have
a healthy relationship In god are associated with less disease.
Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
Because from a causation point of, view you could say.
Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Causation, yeah so this is what we don't.
Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
They probably have more. Friends they probably Have.
Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Yeah so the question is is whether or not people
who are healthier and have more friends are more likely
to be religious or is it the other way? Around
and sometimes it's difficult to tell those.
Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
THINGS i imagine there's a great calming force that comes
from believing in a high, power.
Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Absolutely and the other thing that the other thing that's
interesting about all of these like new start stuff is
when you look at other particular religions house a lot
of these things are actually incorporating. This, like for, instance
The hindus are very famous for getting up in the
morning and welcoming the, sun and we just talked about
the benefits of. Sunlight we didn't talk too much about,
(01:46:45):
nutrition but fasting is an important part of, that And
muslims are obviously part of their religion is actually doing
fasting during.
Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Ramadant so religions have hot and cold practice as, well don't. They, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Yes and on the flip side THAT i would say
that it's also shown that if you have an unhealthy
relationship LIKE i have if you believe in a god
who is vindictive or who's out to get, you or
who's going to do something to, you unless you do
something else that has also been shown to be negatively.
Impactful so it depends on the relationship that you've got.
Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
What you see in your practice because you said something
earlier that you're often there at the end of people's.
Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Lives, Yeah, unfortunately Sometimes i'm the last person they, see.
Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
And it's you start to realize that you.
Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
CANNOT i mean that death is, inevitable and all we
do in medicine is delay the. Inevitable so what we
try to, do AND i have a colleague who's very
philosophical about, this is we try to make sure that
when these things, happen that they happen with, dignity and
we celebrate the person's life and making sure that it's
(01:47:56):
done in the way that they would want to have it.
Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Done what do people say as that about to, Die.
Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
People become Very it's very different for different, people but
they can become very circumspects and And i've seen such
such contrasts where people are ready to, go people feel
like they've they've done what they've come to. Do and
they don't want anything further to, do like we're there
to to delay, death, right we're there to put them
(01:48:25):
on a ventilator or to give them this. Medication and
you would be surprised people who, look you, know relatively,
healthy but and something is happening that we could easily.
Correct they're, like, NO i don't want. THAT i choose
not to have. That and we have to respect obviously
what they what they. Choose obviously we have to educate
them to make sure that they're making the right. Choice but,
(01:48:45):
once once they have given all the, information ultimately they're
the one that makes the.
Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Decision so you, see people choose death.
Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
When we can intervene in artificial, ways they would rather
not have, that and they would choose.
Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Death, yes are there any particular cases that changed?
Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
You, yeah, yeah there.
Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Was there's there was a case that changed, me but
not in the way that we've just been talking about
where it was.
Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Horrible this is this is actually a.
Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
Miracle i've actually seen a miracle, happen and for, me
it happened early in my, training so it it made
me think twice about being a prognosticating, physician this domesticating. Physician, yeah, saying,
oh you're never going to walk, again or or you've
only got two years to.
Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
LIVE i MIGHT i must have missed that day in med.
SCHOOL i just didn't show up that. Day this was
a young.
Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Guy he was he had he had testicular cancer and
he went to the. Operation the testicular cancer surgery was a. Success,
unfortunately during the, operation something. Happened he didn't get enough
oxygen to the brain and he came out of the
operation with with an oxic injury at the. Brain this
guy must have been in his twenties and he had
(01:49:53):
a young. Wife AND i had come onto the rotation
as a AS a as a, resis and we had,
attendings and you have to realize in medicine you have
attendings above, you and what they say is just you,
know that's that's the, word that's what. Happens and and
the ic you, attending we were the ones that were
sort of taking care of the patient because he was
on a. Ventilator but there was the neuro neurologist who
(01:50:15):
looked at everything, says, look this guy is not waking.
Up he has severe anoxic brain. Injury we've looked at the.
Scans this is what's going to? Happen and so every
day we'd ran on this guy and he was just
he was just a shaking.
Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Mess he was just. There he was just kind of
shaking his, eyes.
Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
You're, rolling no, response, Nothing and every day his wife
would come, in young, wife and she she just didn't
believe that this guy was going to be like this
for the rest of his. Life he was going to
wake up, eventually and so he. Would she would be
at his, bedside like attending to him and making sure
this that and the, other and even asking us to,
(01:50:55):
put you, know some special concoction that she made at
home into his tube feeding so that this could go
and help him come. Better and we would we would
go along with. Her BUT i was looking into my
attendings and they're, like she's she do she doesn't understand
what's going. On she doesn't understand that he's never going
to wake. Up so this is this is What i'm.
Seeing one day she came in and she's and she
just had this smile on her. Face she was just
(01:51:18):
so at peace and a. Smile and there Were hispanic.
Couples so we had to ask a translator what was going,
on and she told us she, SAID i had a
dream last. NIGHT i had a dreamed that he was
going to come. Home and she was, convinced just absolutely, happy,
beaming and we're, like, man this lady is. Crazy she
(01:51:41):
doesn't understand what's going. On, well days went, on weeks went,
on and one day and WHERE i was, rounding it
was it's just in this round nursing nursing stations in the,
middle and the doors to the rooms are all around
in a. Periphery and we were going around the, circle
rounding on the patients AND i could look at AND
i saw him and he was kind of, shaking but
(01:52:02):
he was kind of opening his, eyes AND i, said
he seems to be focusing a little. Bit his eyes
seemed to be focusing a little bit more than they would,
be and he kind OF i just, SAID i just
kind of put my hand up like, this AND i
just kind of and sure, enough he put his hand
up like, this, shaking and he put it back down.
Again i'm like, Why he waved to, You yeah, What
(01:52:26):
AND i, said let's go check this out. Again long story,
short took, months but that guy walked out of that.
Hospital six months. Later he and his wife came back
walked onto the unit like there was nothing wrong with the,
guy and he gave us a big basket of flowers
(01:52:47):
to thank that unit for what they had done for.
Him in my, MIND i knew that for most of that,
staff for most of that, time the people were just
going through the motions keeping him alive because that's what you. Wanted,
obviously when when there were signs that this guy was,
recovering it was it was complete.
Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Shift people were.
Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Amazed and so what that did to me in my
career was it made me think, twice, like.
Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Why did this guy get?
Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Better?
Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Now he was twenty?
Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
Two he was, young and typically if something like that
is going to, happen it's going to happen in someone
who's very, young whose mind is, plastic who can survive
that type of a. Situation but it really it was a.
MIRACLE i CAN'T i can't say anything. ELSE i, mean
it's not something that we would. Know all of the
experts said that this wasn't going to, happen but it.
Happened what do you think. HAPPENED i think he had
(01:53:40):
a loving life who believed in, him and something happened
outside of the physical and the. Mental maybe the. SPIRITUAL
i don't know it, happens it's very, rare and when
it does, happen it happens in young. People that would
be what the medical part of my brain would, Say
but the other part of my brain, says you know,
(01:54:01):
WHAT i only know about ten, percent maybe five percent
of the world's. Knowledge, no world's, knowledge one percent of
the world's. Knowledge MAYBE i have five to ten percent
of all of the medical.
Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Knowledge in this.
Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
World AND i would say probably the explanation is somewhere
in that other eighty to ninety percent THAT i just don't.
KNOW i think what it taught me was is that
we have to be humble about what it is that we.
Know there's things that we know we, know and there's
things that we don't know that we don't.
Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Know we talked a little bit about this chemical earlier on. Melatonin,
YEAH i just wanted to close off BECAUSE i had
a question on. IT a lot of people take melatonin
supplements at nighttime and to help them.
Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Sleep, yes, good bad and. DIFFERENT i think it's good
in certain. Situations so if you're having difficulty falling, asleep
a little tiny dose of, melatonin no more than five
milligrams can be actually very beneficial if you're wanting to
shift your circadian rhythm back instead of it being pushed,
back but you want it to be danced. Forward melatonin
(01:55:01):
can be very. Beneficial it's very beneficial for jet. Lag
it's also beneficial for a few sleep.
Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Diseases BUT i would not recommend, routinely for no other,
reason taking large doses of.
Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Melatonin what's the?
Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Trade you said, earlier and that everything has side, effects.
Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Right and it so taking high doses of melatonin can
actually make you more irritable and. Irritable Irritable, yeah in
what regard just mentally? Irritable, yeah what does that look?
Like things set you off more, easily so like a
mood to, say absolutely anything else with melitonin that you're aware, of.
Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Not that we have studies.
Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
For people have concerns that sometimes taking too much melatonin
may actually affect the melatonin secretion from the pineal glant.
ITSELF i don't have evidence of that as yet to
see if that that's actually the, Case.
Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Doctor. Roger is there anything else that we haven't discussed
that we should have.
Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Discussed we've discussed a.
Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
LOT i thinking it all together is again the links
and if we have those. Links medications have their, place
but the way that they work is by breaking down
other parts of the chain to strengthen the weak. Chain
that can have an, effect especially at the end of
(01:56:18):
life if you want to sustain, life but if you're
interested in, longevity if you're interested in making and living
the best, life then you want to strengthen all of those.
Chains AND i believe the key to doing that is
something called new.
Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Start we have a closing tradition on this podcast where
the last guest leaves a question for the next, guest
not knowing who they're leaving it. For and the question
that was left for you is what is the area
of your focus that you are most dying to talk
about which you are almost never asked? About this book The?
Speaker 1 (01:56:50):
Bible which is which is my tradition evidence for science
in The? Bible what do you?
Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Mean this whole what we've been talking about is the
body and the health and the. Body i'd like to
put to the test some of the statements in The
bibles to see if they work, scientifically.
Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
Like turning water into.
Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Wine, now, well potentially that's a.
Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Miracle WHAT i was referring to is is this and
this is What i've actually, done and it's actually quite.
Interesting is you, Know, paul who was one of The
New testament writers in The, bible wrote to The, corinthians
don't you don't you understand that your body is the
temple of The Holy. SPIRIT i, said that's that's a
(01:57:47):
really interesting. Statement how would he come to that? Conclusion,
like what does that? Mean the temple of The Holy.
Spirit so the only temple at that time was The
temple In jerusalem where they would have the sacrific vices and.
Things so WHAT i did WAS i went. Back and
this is answering the question Is i'm looking for evidence
(01:58:08):
of scientific, truth probably unknowingly by some of the writers
in The, bible to see whether or not there is?
Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
Truth does does that make sense What i'm.
Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Saying so if you look and most Of exodus twenty
five through thirty is this painstakingly detailed description of the
sanctuary That moses built in the, wilderness that he supposedly
he got From.
Speaker 1 (01:58:31):
God this is what he.
Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Says so here's a great way to see whether or
not this all flashes. Out moses is, saying here's the
description of the pattern THAT i got for the temple
And paul is, saying your body is a. Temple so
here's my. Hypothesis if we look at the pattern in the,
temple should it match the human body that they had
(01:58:54):
no understanding of at the time That paul wrote. This
we didn't know about cells Until Van lewinhook in the sixteenth.
Hundreds we didn't know about the circulation of the heart
until the sixteen hundreds With.
Speaker 1 (01:59:07):
William.
Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Harvey, Okay, yet if you look in the human, body
you have the blood. System you have blood circulating around
in the vascular, system and then it goes into the interstitial,
fluid and then the interstitial fluid then goes to the,
cell which there's a plasma membrane on the cell that
(01:59:27):
you can't penetrate through but unless you actually have the
proteins to. Go and then it goes into the, cell
which is a compartment with two compartments within. It, right
you got the cell in the. Nucleus, Right this is
exactly the same structure That moses was given in the,
wilderness and by the, Way hindu temples are actually similarly.
Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Designed there's sort of this three part. Situation so you
have this altar of, sacrifice which is where the blood.
Is that's the blood in the human. Body next you
move to the labor which is this container full of,
water and that's the interstitial. Space after you go from
the blood into the interstitial, space any pharmacologists will know
(02:00:09):
that this is exactly the pattern that you move. To
The next thing that comes is this structure that has
a veil that you can't penetrate through unless you go through.
It that's the.
Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
Cell because the structure is the, building and it's got
a room within a, room and that's exactly what the cell.
Is the cell is this nucleus surrounded by the. Cytoplasm,
well in this room that you go into at, first
there's pieces of furniture in there that are very similar
to the types of organelles that you see in the
(02:00:41):
cytoplasma the. Cell for, instance there's this seven branch candlestick
that's in there that's burning olive oil and producing. Energy
that's like beta oxidation producing. Energy that's exactly what you
see in the. Mitochondria but the final thing is you
move into the nucleus and this temple has something called
the Most Holy, place where there's this altar of where
(02:01:01):
there's this arc of the. Covenant you've Seen Indiana, Jones, right,
yeah and the First raiders of The Lost. Arc there's
this arc and you open it, up and this is
where the two tablets Of, stone The Ten commandments. Rested
so in that area you have two tablets of stone
written by the hand Of, god the code of, life
(02:01:25):
and according To jewish And christian belief that this is the.
Law and if you break the, law that's how sin,
is and the consequences of sin is disease and. Death,
well when we get to the nucleus of the human,
body you have two strands OF, dna and on the
strands OF dna is the, code the nucleotides of which
(02:01:46):
is the code of. Life if you manipulate that, code
that leads to, mutations which leads to disease and. Death
none of this was known until nineteen fifty when they DISCOVERED.
Dna and yet we Have paul who's making this jump
and saying your body is the temple of The Holy.
SPIRIT i just find that.
Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
Fascinating nobody ever asked me about, That but that's as
soon as you ask that, question that's the first thing
that pops.
Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Up, there's by the, way there's so many other places
in the scriptures WHERE i see that alluded.
Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
To it's.
Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
Fascinting paul talks about the body Of christ and how
it's one, body but it's made up of. Parts there's
the hand and. Foot he didn't know about, cells but
that's exactly what the human body. Is the human body
is one body made up of many. Parts Van lewinhook
didn't discover that until the sixteen. Hundreds we didn't have
self theory until the eighteen. Hundreds so this is it's
(02:02:43):
interesting to me how statements are made in ancient texts
which have scientific relevance far below the. SURFACE i just
find that.
Speaker 3 (02:02:52):
Interesting thank you so, much AND i hope to speak
to you again very very. Soon and thank you for
all the work you're, doing because you've made some of
these difficult scientific subjects leave it be. Accessible you have
a real art for simplifying and simplifying in a way
that means that millions of, People you've got millions of
subscribers on YouTube, channel millions of people can access this
(02:03:12):
information which is often confined within the walls of some academic.
Study so thank you for the work you're doing because
it's going To i'm sure it's a really had a
profound impact on, many many millions of people's, lives And
i'm sure my audience are deeply. Appreciative so thank you so.
MUCH i appreciate.
Speaker 1 (02:03:25):
You thank, You, Steven thank you for having me on
and having this.
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Opportunity make sure you keep What i'm about to say to.
Yourself i'm inviting ten thousand of you to come even
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