August 25, 2023 • 35 mins
Stage, TV, film and voice actor (in both animation and video games) Phil Lamarr joins us to talk about Dragon Con, fans, working as a voice actor, working with Paul Reubens while stepping into the shoes of Phil Hartman and Laurence Fishburne, and why Buggs Bunny is one of his favorite actors.
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This is the dragon Con pregame showpowered by Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space
Science Center, where you can learnthe science behind the fiction. You know
an ex guests from TV and filmmay have had the opportunity to see him
on stage. He's also a veryproficient voice actor. Mister Phil Lamar,
Welcome, Hi there. We metat dragon Con several years ago. I
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couldn't tell you exactly how many yearsago it was, but I was just
standing off to the side observing watchingyou interacting with fans. It's one of
the things I love to do ata convention like dragon Con is to watch
voice actors in particular interact with fans. It's just really special to see.
And you had a little break inthe table for a moment, and I
walked up and I just wanted totell you that I was a fan.
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I've been a fan of yours fora long time. I just wanted to
shake your hand and say hello,which is another great thing about these conventions,
as you get the opportunity to dothat. And I said, then,
someday in the future, maybe we'llset up an interview. Here we
are in the future, Oh man, I wish we had jetbacks, if
only where where are those things?We're supposed to have those by now?
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And the flying cars. They keeptelling us we're close. But I'll believe
it when I see it, right, So it's good to finally do this.
So this is you've done dragon Conseveral times now, this is two
three at least. This is yourthird at least, right, I believe.
So yeah, hard, hard tokeep track because there's always a you
know, a big gap, andthen you get to come back. And
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that's the wonder it is. ThankfullyI've been consecutively for twenty plus years because
I get to come and cover it. So, but dragon Con is different
than the other conventions, and Iknow you do a lot of them.
What is it about dragon Con thatkeeps you coming back? Well, I
mean one of the greatest things aboutdragon Con, well, other than just
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the size, is the spirit,you know, the fact that you know
it's Scott so always has had somany different kinds of fandoms all brought together,
including even literature, you know.I mean in the old days the
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only thing you read at a comiccon was an old comic book, you
know, and then you know,as this nerdy stuff. Well that's what
they used to call it when Iwas a nerd, has now become mainstream.
You know, when I was akid talking about Avengers, nobody would
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look at you on the playground.Now everybody can talk about the Avengers and
get that reference. Roll people,young people, you know, So you
don't just have to be a nerdto know about superheroes anymore. But the
other great thing is it's all aboutappreciation. That's why we all gather at
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cons like I love this, Ilove that, let's all. But it's
it's not like you you know,it's that like sports where you know,
I love the Hawks, but Ihate your team. No, you appreciate
everybody else's appreciation and you all join, you know, because you love things.
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It's interesting that you use the sportsanalogy because Ashley Eckstein, whose husband
David Eckstein, was was with herseveral years ago and again just kind of
watching her interact with fans, andI had a chance to talk with him,
and he equated that fandom, thatpassion that's there. We didn't really
get into the hate thing, butwe really talked a lot about that passion
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that's there. The positive side ofit, and you're exactly right. When
you guys as voice actors, youget that chance to just sit there at
the table and meet fans and talkwith them. There was a video that
went viral a few years ago,and I know there's various versions of it
now, but it's a mother witha very young baby and she's singing and
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the baby's just crying. He hasno he has no idea what she's saying.
He just he hears the music,he hears it in her voice,
and he's got just joy. He'sovercome with joy and he's crying. And
I feel like that's something that youguys are able to connect with your fans
with with that kind of joy whenwhen they hear a voice come from your
mouth right there in person, andsometimes they cry, They literally start to
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cry when they hear I've seen ithappen so many times, and it's just
a beautiful thing, isn't it.Yes, Yes, well it's it's funny
because I mean, I think forentertainment, especially things that you experience in
the foundational time of your life,to be able to meet somebody who's part
of that is always a great,you know, experience, because it takes
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you back to a great time,you know. And I got to meet
John Travolta. It was, ohmy god, I grew up watching this
guy. Well, you're not akid anymore, you're thirty, but he
wasn't. But you're absolutely right,because for voice actors, there's an added
level, because there's something about theway that voices live in our heads.
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The things your mama and daddy toldyou when you were a kid growing up,
all of that stuff is still inyour ears. And the same is
true for the cartoons you watched growingup. I remember the very first time
in my acting career, I gotto do an episode of Scooby Doo,
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a cartoon that you know, hadbeen on since I was two, and
now I was getting to be partof something that was part of me.
And I remember walking into the recordingbooth and Kasey Kayson, who was the
original voice of Shaggy, was there, and they said, Casey, can
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you just give us a couple oflines we can check the volume level.
And Casey starts doing the Shaggy voice, and I felt the hair on the
back of my neck stand up andI was like, and I like.
I looked over to the director tomake sure, because I figured, Okay,
if I was actually shrinking into aneight year old boy with a bottle
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of a bowl of cereal on mylap, she was, she would be
looking at me funny, and shewasn't. But that's how what I felt
like listening to that voice. WhenI heard it, you know, then
it took me back in time,even though the circumstance was completely different.
It's like, dude, you're notsitting in your living room, you know,
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in nineteen seventy four, right now, you're at work, and you
now are that experience for other people. It's kind of surreal, isn't it.
Well. I've been so fortunate towork on so many great quality shows
that they've had effects on people,and that is a lovely, lovely thing.
And the wonderful thing about comic consfor US actors, especially those of
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us from the previous generation, becausein the old days, pre internet,
actors didn't really engage with audiences unlessthe boss made you go to the mall
we're doing a signing. But withcomic cons, and I think it was
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Billy West from the Futurama who firstintroduced me to the idea of this that
you can go and share your greatexperience performing with people who had a great
experience watching. And that's I mean, that's good for both of us.
You know, it's funny because I'veto talk to a few of my friends
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who started in the on camera world. You know, didn't even do stage,
so you know, had to figureout, wait, what is this
comic con thing? How do Iwas? I think think of it like
this. Think of it like youdid a great play. People loved it,
but instead of them all sitting outin the theater applauding all at once,
they come up to your table andapplaud one person at a time.
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Twelve years later. It's the eventualresponse, but at least you get the
response, and and that's the natureof the response, like yay, good
job, I like it. Ilike it. Well, you've you talk
about the introduction of the internet andhow that's changed things. There was a
time when voice actors or radio guys, and I can speak to that,
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people didn't really know what you lookedlike. They that you know, you
enjoyed a certain amount of anonymity whileyou went out in public. And I
know you've done some stuff on cameraas well, so that certainly changes things
a little bit. But do youstill or you still afford it at least
a little bit of privacy when you'reout in public. Well, surprisingly than
Yeah, in the old days,the most iconic voice actors, even to
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this day, I don't know whatDAWs Butler looks like and DAWs Butler voice,
you know what, probably sixty percentof the of the cartoon characters I
watched growing up, but nobody postedpictures of him. I mean, fortunately
mel Blank also did on camera work, so growing up I did know what
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he looked like, and actually,as a kid in my teens, I
once actually got to see him,which was otherworldly. It's like, you
know, I'm watching the guy whobugs Buddy's voice comes out of day so
so basically I've been living in acomic con in my head. Right.
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Do you think seeing him when youwere younger? I mean, how how
old were you when you saw him? Yeah? I was probably fourteen.
And it's it's interesting because seeing himdidn't necessarily get me into the idea of
pursuing voice acting because back then theterm voice acting didn't exist. It wasn't
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a job description, like they didn'tlike you know before Bill Gates Peck billionaire
was not a job description. Nowwe've got a million of them, but
back in the day, you wouldjust describe cartoon voicing as the stuff Mel
Blanke does. You know, therewasn't a term for it. So for
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me, I thought about maybe justdoing acting. I like performing. I
like doing plays. Although you know, weirdly once I started a professional career,
and maybe it was because of theyou know, love of Bugs Bunny
in my heart. Like when Iwas starting my acting career on camera,
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even back then they say who areyour favorite actors? I would always include
Bugs Bunny in my list with SidneyPlochier, Tom Hanks. You know,
so I think of voice acting asacting, which it is absolutely and characters
like Bugs Bunny are those characters thattranscend those things. I mean, Bugs
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Bunny is an actor, I meanabsolutely. So I love that you include
him in that, and it's notsurprising at all that a voice actor would
see him that way. So you'reyou had improv training early on Purple crayon
Groundling Second City. That sort oftraining I assume helped you along the way
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with voice acting. Is that somethingthat you think to other voice actors coming
along, would that be helpful?To them. Do you do you think
that it was critical to your success? Well, I don't think it was
critical, but definitely helpful. Imean, personally, I believe that my
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prov training has been helpful for everything. It makes auditions easier because an audition
is go ahead, perform without havinga whole set, without having rehearsal,
without having you know, everybody onyour side. But that's what improv is
about. Improv is commit instantly,do it now and perform, and that
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helps with voice acting, helps withyou know, on camera, make it
real now. It helps with everything, but it's not necessity. I've also
found over the years that people witha singing background can transition into voiceover really
well because they're used to hearing howthey sound and being conscious of it and
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controlling it. I'm going to dropsome names here, let's try not to
step on them. But it's variouspeople you've probably worked with over the years,
or you at least know, andthey've been on this show as well
over the past few years. AndBill Farmer is one of them, and
he's told me stories about working howonce upon a time you did ensemble work
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when you worked on a project,and how you know you all were in
a room and you looked at eachother, and how that's changed, and
how that's had a very dramatic effectand drastic impact on the way that he
works, in the way that youguys work, And he thinks it's probably
better for the directors. They mayhave an easier time kind of corraling in
the horseplay, but that sort ofimprov or that sort of work, your
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ability to riff off one another istaken away, now, isn't it.
Yes, Yes, that has actuallybeen one of the only positives of the
COVID era is as Bill Farmer said, in the early days, every cartoon
was a group record. Basically,you performed a play live, you know,
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right there, but you got toretake it if you've said the wrong
word. But as you said,yeah, you got to bounce off your
other actors. You got to sharethe energy of you know, the great
people in the room with you.But then, for some reason in the
voice acting world, they over thelast decade, I would say, they
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decided not to. I think theyalways claimed it was, Oh, it's
about scheduling. It's easier for usto just have to call one person's agent
instead of seven, and so,yes, for the for ten years we've
it feels like we've been recording everythingalone. And I gotta tell you,
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if somebody, if you as anactor, you had a choice like do
you want to do a Broadway musicalor just a one man show, we'd
all pick a Broadway musical because becauseit's a group, it's you know.
But with COVID going on, youknow, line doing everything, virtually,
we begin to have zoom records andso I mean, obviously you still weren't
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with physical with other people, butthere were for the first time in several
years during COVID, some shows Igot to record where I got to be
at least on the zoom with therest of the cast, and that's that's
been great because one of the oddestthings about that breaking us up out of
groups was you'd run into somebody andthen somebody would say, hey, you
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towour in this show together, Likereally, oh, I didn't know you
were written. I don't know howyou guys keep up with some of the
projects that you worked on. Whenyou look at how long your resume is,
or a guy like Rob Paulson,who I know you've done work with.
I mean, you guys, youguys, you just look and you
just like, what have it youworked on? Well? And also the
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eded of fact is when you're youknow, voicing, doing voice work,
you don't memorize the lines, sothey don't sit in your head as deeply.
Now once you watch it, ityou know, beds itself in you
like, because then the characters cometo life, because honestly, as voice
actors, we are at most onlya third of the cartoon character because without
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the great writing and the amazing art, that's not the whole character. You
talk about watching it, How howmuch of what you do do you get
to watch? And how much ofit do you watch? Because there's got
to be some that you don't.But I'm sure there's some that you think,
well, I need to watch this. Well, no it's not.
It's not so much need too.Sometimes you know, they have premiers,
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you know, say hey, everybody, come on casting crew, come go
watch the episode one you know.So, but yes, you're right,
there's definitely a lot of times,especially if you're doing just maybe not a
main character but a guest part onyou know, just one episode of a
show that runs for seven years.Yeah, I'm like, it's like,
hey, miss Lamar, I loveyou and that, and like, Okay,
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I'm gonna assume you're not mixing meup with Cary Peyton, But so
you get a lot of that.Because you guys are going to both be
at dragon Con this year, youmight be able to set the record straight
together side by side. Yeah.Well, actually it's funny because there was
a show that we worked on togetherwhere we actually got to physically work together,
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and for some reason, the internetmixed it up. They gave him
credit from my character and him creditfrom I'm like said, guys, no,
he did that one. I didthis one. I'm familiar with the
project, and you guys were bothgreat in it. I really loved it.
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Another you mentioned Casey Kasem and hiswork, some of his voice work,
and I know that sometimes radio guysdo make their way into voice acting.
Another name I'll drop Tom Kenny.He was on a couple of years
ago and he told me. Itold him that most radio guys secretly want
to do voice work and be voiceactors, and he said, well,
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most voice actors really secretly wish thatthey were radio guys. Have you experienced
that? Is that something that's true? And if so, would you like
to maybe trade for a day.I mean, I've been trying to find
somebody who would do that with me. I don't know. I mean,
I'm sure there's a big generational difference. I mean, do people in their
twenties still know what the word radiomeans? Yeah? Do they think it's
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about what you mean? Radioactive?No? No, No, it's it's
it's a machine that never mind youdon't have one. No. No.
I think it's funny that Tom saidthat, because I would say that radio
people going into voiceover is just alateral move, because again, it's people
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who are focused on their voice andputting things out there and thinking about it
and knowing and get and know you'retouching people with your voice through their ears.
Although Tom also did stand up,So when you do stand up and
radio, you own microphones? Yeah, I mean not just you know,
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by money. He owns them inhis head. He knows how to work
a microphone. Because there are somemovie stars who you realize the reason they're
a star is because they're able toput something through the camera that we when
we watch them feel, But noteverybody can. You know, some people
are just very pretty, but Idon't feel nothing, but somebody can get
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you their sadness, their joy orwhatever the character is supposed to be feeling,
and you see it by looking atthem, and with voice acting,
you feel it by hearing them.That's our job. It's like get the
heart of the character out your throat. And Tom is the triple threat because
now he and his band are touringand he's also singing, so I mean
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he's got that part of it downtoo. So basically I think Tom sleeps
with a microphone. I would thinkthat's probably a fair way to put it.
I want to talk with you aboutsomething that you did. Talk about
performing on stage or working on stage. You worked with Paul Rubens on The
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Peewee Herman Show Live on Broadway,LA and New York, taking on the
role of cowboy Curtis. What wasit like working with Paul Rubens? That
project was I mean, I thinkin some in certainly several ways a peak
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of my career. I mean one, as a member of the LA comedy
group, the Groundlings, I gotto work with one of our most legendary
alumni. It's like, oh mygod, I'm working with the guy who
basically built the place that built mycareer. You know, because without Paul's
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genius, the Groundlings may not havebeen able to kept going long enough for
me to come there and take classes. And we first met doing a comedy
show together called the Beverly Winwood Playhouse. This show created by a the named
Tony Sepulvida at it's a acting classshowcase about really bad actors from a bad
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teacher. And so we would alldo these scenes of you know, these
acting students doing performances and making allkinds of acting mistakes. Paul did a
scene with from this old sixties moviethat Edward Albert did and he played a
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blind character, and the joke wasthe actor wrote his lines on his hand,
So Paul is playing a blind guybecause you know, looking down,
you know, looking out the sideof his eyes on his hand right before
he speaks. Every mine was brilliant. I think his genius. You know,
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people just sort of remember him forone thing, which you know,
God willing will all be at leastremembered for something. But but for him,
there were so many facets of whathe was capable of that I don't
think he'll be remembered for those things. No, Paul was. It's funny
because I always say this a lot, I said, and I mean,
right now, we just lost him, and you look at somebody at that
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level of genius, but also heart, Paul was one of the most famous
people I'd ever met. I mean, his Pee Wee Herman character was basically
the human Mickey Mouse. Everybody yougrew up with it loved it, you
know. I remember when we didthe se we Herbert Show. After one
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show, there was this couple intheir sixties who came. I was like,
oh my gosh, we used toyou know, get I watched the
show every okay, But then therewere also people who brought their children,
little kids, you know, becausegenerations had been taking in that character,
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because that's how great he was.But Paul, with all this level of
fame and you know, decades ofit, still was a fun person.
And he recognized as his fans andappreciated their appreciation. You know. It
wasn't just like one of these littlebugs. No, he felt their appreciation
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was part of the show. Andyes, and to be part to get
to be well one. Actually thestart, it was a little sad because
the project we did was Pee WeeHerman started as a live stage show in
La in the early eighties and heused to do at midnight at this rock
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club, the Roxy, and itwas sold out for years enough that he
got to make a movie. Andthen after the movie, he did the
Saturday Morning Kids Show. But youknow, decades later he said, let's
let's go do the stage show again, but let me work the stuff from
the Saturday Morning Show into it becauseall of the puppets and stuff, we
couldn't afford those at the Groundlings backin the area. So he rewrote the
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original stage show and put in alot of the stuff from the TV show,
like the character I had the joyto play Cowboy Curtis because laurd Fishburne
was probably a little too busy.And what he did was he took because
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Phil Hartman, another legendary Groundling hadI'd written the original Pee Wee Herman show
with Paul, but he had passedaway before Paul decided to reboot the show,
so he took the TV character CowboyCurtis and had him do what Phil
Hartman's character, Captain Carl used todo in the original stage show. So
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I mean I was stepping into twopairs of shoes at once. Wow.
Yeah, Phil Hartman's and Laurence Fishburn's, I mean, two incredibly amazing actors.
So but because I was with Paul, it wasn't an intimidating thing.
It was a joy fantastic I thinkbeing able to introduce my kids to Pee
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Wee Herman through that first movie andthen through episodes of the show. And
my wife is not from this country, she's from Australia. She never got
it. She just said, Idon't get it. I don't understand what
you guys are laughing hysterically at withtears in your eyes. It. Uh,
we did. And I don't knowif it was the international thing.
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I don't know what quite didn't clickfor her, But my boys and I
absolutely loved being able to I lovebeing able to introduce them to that or
all. So, oh, that'sinteresting. Well, I'm sure they're on
some level. You know, asan adult at your age watching Pee Wee
Herman, you got the you know, mental references Paul was making to Captain
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Kangaroo or whatever. Yes, absolutely, your wife didn't know. She did
not grow up with all of thatold American kids stuff, and you know,
Paul definitely drew some of that intothe Pee Wee Herman Show. I
mean, it wasn't specific. That'swhy it's still works for kids today.
It's not like he's not just youknow, parroting you know, some old
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fifties show. He's creating a newthing, but in his head there's these
elements, you know, from misterRogers or whatever. He's pulling all that
into it and we feel it absolutely. And I got to see the Pee
Wee Herman Show with you in it, and you did a great job stepping
into those shoes. You were fantasticfilling in for Fishburne and the great Phil
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Hartman. I want to talk toyou about another thing that you worked on
in the past, and that wasyour work with NASA TV, the Ask
the Astronomer's Live show. Now weyou and I have something in common in
this regard. I host a podcastthat deals in astrophysics, weekly show that
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I do, and I'm not myselfan astrophysicist at all. I've picked up
a lot along the way and learnedquite a bit. I'm waiting on my
honorary degree. I feel like maybeat some point I might pick it up.
But I do host the show,co host the show with an astrophysicist
and h and we talked through what'sgoing on at NASA and with some of
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these you mentioned the you know,tech billionaires, some of those guys that
are now into this business as wellwith their companies. So how did you
get into that and what was yourinterest in in that prior to hosting that
show. Actually, it was justa coincidental thing that brought me into that
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world. Turns out, a womanwho worked for I believe it was JPL.
Our kids were on the same soccerteam, and you know, she
came up to me after a game. It's like, you know, some
of the folks in my office,you know, are fans of your sci
fi shows that you work on,and they think you might be a good
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choice for a host for this showwe're putting together because there it was their
concept that I stepped into it,that there would be an outsider, you
know, performer person who introduces theaudience to these astronomers. So it wasn't
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just an insider talking inside e toyou know, it wasn't just an astronomer
talking to other astronomers and it's like, yeah, everybody, you're just listening
to astronomer's chat. No, itwas I was the you know, standing
in for the audience. Wait,wait, what does that word mean?
There are a lot of those typesof questions. But it was funny because
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you know, when I went throughcollege, graduated from Yale, but I
was an English major and the scienceguys took their classes up on a hill.
I never even went to the buildingwhere the people I interviewed on asked
the astronomers live would have studied.So it was definitely about learning. Like
you said, it's like, ohoo, I could get credit for this,
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but you know, it was lettingyour learning be entertaining for the people watching,
you know. And it was agreat, great perience to you know,
get to learn about space. Youknow, some things were new,
some things were things that have beenaround forever. And and the producers of
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the show always picked such great smartyou know, and a wonderfully diverse pool
of incredible astronomers, which is Ithink a really great thing because for most
people, when you think of astronomeror scientist, there's just that one image
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in your head. But no,no, no, you don't have to
look a certain way to think acertain way. And I think that show
helped people to understand that and openup for younger people. It's like,
you know, if you could wantto go down this path, you don't
just have to look like, youknow, Bill Knives science guy, thankfully,
because not everybody can pull that lookoff. There are a lot of
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a lot of scientists that will willcome to Dragon con and they'll be panels
and things, and now that theyused to call them UFOs and now their
UAPs, of course, and thatconversation is now gone into a very bizarre
direction. So they'll be skeptics,and they'll also be the non skeptics that
will be at Dragon Conda to talkabout UAPs, and if they still want
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to, some of the non skepticsmay still say UFOs. I'm not really
sure. The guys that got corneredin a cornfield or whatever and probed and
you know, some of those situationsthat that thing was easy to blow off.
When you have actual, highly decoratedNavy fighter pilots talking about it in
Congress, then it's like, waita minute, maybe we need to pay
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more attention to this. So Idon't know where all that's going, but
it's been fun being able to coverit, and I do the same thing
on my show made of stars thatyou do it or you were doing.
And that's basically providing those questions,asking those questions where maybe it seems really
easy for the astronomers to say,well, you know, there's this term,
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and then I go, wait aminute, go back, what does
the term meaning in because you justwant to hear it a second time and
they can prove that they can sayit twice sometimes because they're big words,
right, it's big words that theylearned in their first class in the strata,
well in some cases elementary school.I think for some of those,
for some of those right now,West, I assume you're still doing your
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show since you know the term UAP, and I'm like, wait, what's
he saying? What is up?And I realized, Oh, if I
was still doing the show, Iwould have, you know, had an
episode where we covered the transition fromUFO to UAP, but sadly we haven't
been doing the show lately. Hasmoved on, all right, the Unidentified
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Anomalous Phenomenon, And at one timeit was aerial, but they noticed that
some of these strange things are goingunder water, so they had to make
a change. And interesting and it'snow being discussed in meetings in Congress.
And that's just strange because I knowit's come up before, but the caliber
of the witnesses discussing it are muchhigher, and it's making it a lot
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harder to just ignore it and leaveit. Uh, you know, to
the to the Randy Quaid characters frommovies that kind of were a little crazier.
Now it's a little bit more legitimate. But you also want to let
the science play out. Yeah,and and trying to make sure that the
scientists do their science with it.Well, I know you're getting ready to
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come to Atlanta for dragon Con.You're a left coast guy, So when
you get into Atlanta into the Southeast, is there anything that jumps out at
you? And I don't know,you've probably well you've spent some time here
because of dragon Con. But isthere anything that you do when you're when
you're in Atlanta that you think,Man, I need to get to this
place, or you know something legendaryabout Atlanta that you've got to get to.
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Well, for me, it's there'sthere's people that I know there because
my grandfather's families you know, originatedthere. Then he went to Detroit and
I still have you know family friendswho live in Atlanta, because you know,
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we have family, you know,all over the place, and so
getting a chance to go there,I always have to make sure I reach
out to our friends and you know, because that's a wonder you know,
to go for work and to gofor play. Absolutely great to catch up
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with those people now as you getready to come to dragon Con. Any
final word for your fans who mightbe coming up to see you, No
final words. Just make sure youcheck the weather forecast before you decide how
heavy their costplay costume is going tobe, because you know, Georgia time
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of the year could be hot.You know you don't want to be sweating
out of armor. Absolutely and wheredeodorant? That always extra extra extra deodorant
and hydrate those are both critical,always right, Phil Lamar, thank you
so much, looking forward to seeingyou at dragon Con. Thank you West.
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an ex guests from TV and filmmay have had the opportunity to see him
on stage. He's also a veryproficient voice actor. Mister Phil Lamar,
Welcome, Hi there. We metat dragon Con several years ago. I
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couldn't tell you exactly how many yearsago it was, but I was just
standing off to the side observing watchingyou interacting with fans. It's one of
the things I love to do ata convention like dragon Con is to watch
voice actors in particular interact with fans. It's just really special to see.
And you had a little break inthe table for a moment, and I
walked up and I just wanted totell you that I was a fan.
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I've been a fan of yours fora long time. I just wanted to
shake your hand and say hello,which is another great thing about these conventions,
as you get the opportunity to dothat. And I said, then,
someday in the future, maybe we'llset up an interview. Here we
are in the future, Oh man, I wish we had jetbacks, if
only where where are those things?We're supposed to have those by now?
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And the flying cars. They keeptelling us we're close. But I'll believe
it when I see it, right, So it's good to finally do this.
So this is you've done dragon Conseveral times now, this is two
three at least. This is yourthird at least, right, I believe.
So yeah, hard, hard tokeep track because there's always a you
know, a big gap, andthen you get to come back. And
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that's the wonder it is. ThankfullyI've been consecutively for twenty plus years because
I get to come and cover it. So, but dragon Con is different
than the other conventions, and Iknow you do a lot of them.
What is it about dragon Con thatkeeps you coming back? Well, I
mean one of the greatest things aboutdragon Con, well, other than just
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the size, is the spirit,you know, the fact that you know
it's Scott so always has had somany different kinds of fandoms all brought together,
including even literature, you know.I mean in the old days the
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only thing you read at a comiccon was an old comic book, you
know, and then you know,as this nerdy stuff. Well that's what
they used to call it when Iwas a nerd, has now become mainstream.
You know, when I was akid talking about Avengers, nobody would
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look at you on the playground.Now everybody can talk about the Avengers and
get that reference. Roll people,young people, you know, So you
don't just have to be a nerdto know about superheroes anymore. But the
other great thing is it's all aboutappreciation. That's why we all gather at
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cons like I love this, Ilove that, let's all. But it's
it's not like you you know,it's that like sports where you know,
I love the Hawks, but Ihate your team. No, you appreciate
everybody else's appreciation and you all join, you know, because you love things.
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It's interesting that you use the sportsanalogy because Ashley Eckstein, whose husband
David Eckstein, was was with herseveral years ago and again just kind of
watching her interact with fans, andI had a chance to talk with him,
and he equated that fandom, thatpassion that's there. We didn't really
get into the hate thing, butwe really talked a lot about that passion
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that's there. The positive side ofit, and you're exactly right. When
you guys as voice actors, youget that chance to just sit there at
the table and meet fans and talkwith them. There was a video that
went viral a few years ago,and I know there's various versions of it
now, but it's a mother witha very young baby and she's singing and
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the baby's just crying. He hasno he has no idea what she's saying.
He just he hears the music,he hears it in her voice,
and he's got just joy. He'sovercome with joy and he's crying. And
I feel like that's something that youguys are able to connect with your fans
with with that kind of joy whenwhen they hear a voice come from your
mouth right there in person, andsometimes they cry, They literally start to
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cry when they hear I've seen ithappen so many times, and it's just
a beautiful thing, isn't it.Yes, Yes, well it's it's funny
because I mean, I think forentertainment, especially things that you experience in
the foundational time of your life,to be able to meet somebody who's part
of that is always a great,you know, experience, because it takes
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you back to a great time,you know. And I got to meet
John Travolta. It was, ohmy god, I grew up watching this
guy. Well, you're not akid anymore, you're thirty, but he
wasn't. But you're absolutely right,because for voice actors, there's an added
level, because there's something about theway that voices live in our heads.
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The things your mama and daddy toldyou when you were a kid growing up,
all of that stuff is still inyour ears. And the same is
true for the cartoons you watched growingup. I remember the very first time
in my acting career, I gotto do an episode of Scooby Doo,
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a cartoon that you know, hadbeen on since I was two, and
now I was getting to be partof something that was part of me.
And I remember walking into the recordingbooth and Kasey Kayson, who was the
original voice of Shaggy, was there, and they said, Casey, can
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you just give us a couple oflines we can check the volume level.
And Casey starts doing the Shaggy voice, and I felt the hair on the
back of my neck stand up andI was like, and I like.
I looked over to the director tomake sure, because I figured, Okay,
if I was actually shrinking into aneight year old boy with a bottle
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of a bowl of cereal on mylap, she was, she would be
looking at me funny, and shewasn't. But that's how what I felt
like listening to that voice. WhenI heard it, you know, then
it took me back in time,even though the circumstance was completely different.
It's like, dude, you're notsitting in your living room, you know,
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in nineteen seventy four, right now, you're at work, and you
now are that experience for other people. It's kind of surreal, isn't it.
Well. I've been so fortunate towork on so many great quality shows
that they've had effects on people,and that is a lovely, lovely thing.
And the wonderful thing about comic consfor US actors, especially those of
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us from the previous generation, becausein the old days, pre internet,
actors didn't really engage with audiences unlessthe boss made you go to the mall
we're doing a signing. But withcomic cons, and I think it was
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Billy West from the Futurama who firstintroduced me to the idea of this that
you can go and share your greatexperience performing with people who had a great
experience watching. And that's I mean, that's good for both of us.
You know, it's funny because I'veto talk to a few of my friends
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who started in the on camera world. You know, didn't even do stage,
so you know, had to figureout, wait, what is this
comic con thing? How do Iwas? I think think of it like
this. Think of it like youdid a great play. People loved it,
but instead of them all sitting outin the theater applauding all at once,
they come up to your table andapplaud one person at a time.
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Twelve years later. It's the eventualresponse, but at least you get the
response, and and that's the natureof the response, like yay, good
job, I like it. Ilike it. Well, you've you talk
about the introduction of the internet andhow that's changed things. There was a
time when voice actors or radio guys, and I can speak to that,
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people didn't really know what you lookedlike. They that you know, you
enjoyed a certain amount of anonymity whileyou went out in public. And I
know you've done some stuff on cameraas well, so that certainly changes things
a little bit. But do youstill or you still afford it at least
a little bit of privacy when you'reout in public. Well, surprisingly than
Yeah, in the old days,the most iconic voice actors, even to
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this day, I don't know whatDAWs Butler looks like and DAWs Butler voice,
you know what, probably sixty percentof the of the cartoon characters I
watched growing up, but nobody postedpictures of him. I mean, fortunately
mel Blank also did on camera work, so growing up I did know what
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he looked like, and actually,as a kid in my teens, I
once actually got to see him,which was otherworldly. It's like, you
know, I'm watching the guy whobugs Buddy's voice comes out of day so
so basically I've been living in acomic con in my head. Right.
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Do you think seeing him when youwere younger? I mean, how how
old were you when you saw him? Yeah? I was probably fourteen.
And it's it's interesting because seeing himdidn't necessarily get me into the idea of
pursuing voice acting because back then theterm voice acting didn't exist. It wasn't
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a job description, like they didn'tlike you know before Bill Gates Peck billionaire
was not a job description. Nowwe've got a million of them, but
back in the day, you wouldjust describe cartoon voicing as the stuff Mel
Blanke does. You know, therewasn't a term for it. So for
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me, I thought about maybe justdoing acting. I like performing. I
like doing plays. Although you know, weirdly once I started a professional career,
and maybe it was because of theyou know, love of Bugs Bunny
in my heart. Like when Iwas starting my acting career on camera,
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even back then they say who areyour favorite actors? I would always include
Bugs Bunny in my list with SidneyPlochier, Tom Hanks. You know,
so I think of voice acting asacting, which it is absolutely and characters
like Bugs Bunny are those characters thattranscend those things. I mean, Bugs
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Bunny is an actor, I meanabsolutely. So I love that you include
him in that, and it's notsurprising at all that a voice actor would
see him that way. So you'reyou had improv training early on Purple crayon
Groundling Second City. That sort oftraining I assume helped you along the way
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with voice acting. Is that somethingthat you think to other voice actors coming
along, would that be helpful?To them. Do you do you think
that it was critical to your success? Well, I don't think it was
critical, but definitely helpful. Imean, personally, I believe that my
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prov training has been helpful for everything. It makes auditions easier because an audition
is go ahead, perform without havinga whole set, without having rehearsal,
without having you know, everybody onyour side. But that's what improv is
about. Improv is commit instantly,do it now and perform, and that
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helps with voice acting, helps withyou know, on camera, make it
real now. It helps with everything, but it's not necessity. I've also
found over the years that people witha singing background can transition into voiceover really
well because they're used to hearing howthey sound and being conscious of it and
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controlling it. I'm going to dropsome names here, let's try not to
step on them. But it's variouspeople you've probably worked with over the years,
or you at least know, andthey've been on this show as well
over the past few years. AndBill Farmer is one of them, and
he's told me stories about working howonce upon a time you did ensemble work
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when you worked on a project,and how you know you all were in
a room and you looked at eachother, and how that's changed, and
how that's had a very dramatic effectand drastic impact on the way that he
works, in the way that youguys work, And he thinks it's probably
better for the directors. They mayhave an easier time kind of corraling in
the horseplay, but that sort ofimprov or that sort of work, your
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ability to riff off one another istaken away, now, isn't it.
Yes, Yes, that has actuallybeen one of the only positives of the
COVID era is as Bill Farmer said, in the early days, every cartoon
was a group record. Basically,you performed a play live, you know,
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right there, but you got toretake it if you've said the wrong
word. But as you said,yeah, you got to bounce off your
other actors. You got to sharethe energy of you know, the great
people in the room with you.But then, for some reason in the
voice acting world, they over thelast decade, I would say, they
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decided not to. I think theyalways claimed it was, Oh, it's
about scheduling. It's easier for usto just have to call one person's agent
instead of seven, and so,yes, for the for ten years we've
it feels like we've been recording everythingalone. And I gotta tell you,
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if somebody, if you as anactor, you had a choice like do
you want to do a Broadway musicalor just a one man show, we'd
all pick a Broadway musical because becauseit's a group, it's you know.
But with COVID going on, youknow, line doing everything, virtually,
we begin to have zoom records andso I mean, obviously you still weren't
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with physical with other people, butthere were for the first time in several
years during COVID, some shows Igot to record where I got to be
at least on the zoom with therest of the cast, and that's that's
been great because one of the oddestthings about that breaking us up out of
groups was you'd run into somebody andthen somebody would say, hey, you
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towour in this show together, Likereally, oh, I didn't know you
were written. I don't know howyou guys keep up with some of the
projects that you worked on. Whenyou look at how long your resume is,
or a guy like Rob Paulson,who I know you've done work with.
I mean, you guys, youguys, you just look and you
just like, what have it youworked on? Well? And also the
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eded of fact is when you're youknow, voicing, doing voice work,
you don't memorize the lines, sothey don't sit in your head as deeply.
Now once you watch it, ityou know, beds itself in you
like, because then the characters cometo life, because honestly, as voice
actors, we are at most onlya third of the cartoon character because without
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the great writing and the amazing art, that's not the whole character. You
talk about watching it, How howmuch of what you do do you get
to watch? And how much ofit do you watch? Because there's got
to be some that you don't.But I'm sure there's some that you think,
well, I need to watch this. Well, no it's not.
It's not so much need too.Sometimes you know, they have premiers,
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you know, say hey, everybody, come on casting crew, come go
watch the episode one you know.So, but yes, you're right,
there's definitely a lot of times,especially if you're doing just maybe not a
main character but a guest part onyou know, just one episode of a
show that runs for seven years.Yeah, I'm like, it's like,
hey, miss Lamar, I loveyou and that, and like, Okay,
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I'm gonna assume you're not mixing meup with Cary Peyton, But so
you get a lot of that.Because you guys are going to both be
at dragon Con this year, youmight be able to set the record straight
together side by side. Yeah.Well, actually it's funny because there was
a show that we worked on togetherwhere we actually got to physically work together,
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and for some reason, the internetmixed it up. They gave him
credit from my character and him creditfrom I'm like said, guys, no,
he did that one. I didthis one. I'm familiar with the
project, and you guys were bothgreat in it. I really loved it.
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Another you mentioned Casey Kasem and hiswork, some of his voice work,
and I know that sometimes radio guysdo make their way into voice acting.
Another name I'll drop Tom Kenny.He was on a couple of years
ago and he told me. Itold him that most radio guys secretly want
to do voice work and be voiceactors, and he said, well,
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most voice actors really secretly wish thatthey were radio guys. Have you experienced
that? Is that something that's true? And if so, would you like
to maybe trade for a day.I mean, I've been trying to find
somebody who would do that with me. I don't know. I mean,
I'm sure there's a big generational difference. I mean, do people in their
twenties still know what the word radiomeans? Yeah? Do they think it's
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about what you mean? Radioactive?No? No, No, it's it's
it's a machine that never mind youdon't have one. No. No.
I think it's funny that Tom saidthat, because I would say that radio
people going into voiceover is just alateral move, because again, it's people
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who are focused on their voice andputting things out there and thinking about it
and knowing and get and know you'retouching people with your voice through their ears.
Although Tom also did stand up,So when you do stand up and
radio, you own microphones? Yeah, I mean not just you know,
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by money. He owns them inhis head. He knows how to work
a microphone. Because there are somemovie stars who you realize the reason they're
a star is because they're able toput something through the camera that we when
we watch them feel, But noteverybody can. You know, some people
are just very pretty, but Idon't feel nothing, but somebody can get
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you their sadness, their joy orwhatever the character is supposed to be feeling,
and you see it by looking atthem, and with voice acting,
you feel it by hearing them.That's our job. It's like get the
heart of the character out your throat. And Tom is the triple threat because
now he and his band are touringand he's also singing, so I mean
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he's got that part of it downtoo. So basically I think Tom sleeps
with a microphone. I would thinkthat's probably a fair way to put it.
I want to talk with you aboutsomething that you did. Talk about
performing on stage or working on stage. You worked with Paul Rubens on The
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Peewee Herman Show Live on Broadway,LA and New York, taking on the
role of cowboy Curtis. What wasit like working with Paul Rubens? That
project was I mean, I thinkin some in certainly several ways a peak
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of my career. I mean one, as a member of the LA comedy
group, the Groundlings, I gotto work with one of our most legendary
alumni. It's like, oh mygod, I'm working with the guy who
basically built the place that built mycareer. You know, because without Paul's
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genius, the Groundlings may not havebeen able to kept going long enough for
me to come there and take classes. And we first met doing a comedy
show together called the Beverly Winwood Playhouse. This show created by a the named
Tony Sepulvida at it's a acting classshowcase about really bad actors from a bad
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teacher. And so we would alldo these scenes of you know, these
acting students doing performances and making allkinds of acting mistakes. Paul did a
scene with from this old sixties moviethat Edward Albert did and he played a
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blind character, and the joke wasthe actor wrote his lines on his hand,
So Paul is playing a blind guybecause you know, looking down,
you know, looking out the sideof his eyes on his hand right before
he speaks. Every mine was brilliant. I think his genius. You know,
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people just sort of remember him forone thing, which you know,
God willing will all be at leastremembered for something. But but for him,
there were so many facets of whathe was capable of that I don't
think he'll be remembered for those things. No, Paul was. It's funny
because I always say this a lot, I said, and I mean,
right now, we just lost him, and you look at somebody at that
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level of genius, but also heart, Paul was one of the most famous
people I'd ever met. I mean, his Pee Wee Herman character was basically
the human Mickey Mouse. Everybody yougrew up with it loved it, you
know. I remember when we didthe se we Herbert Show. After one
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show, there was this couple intheir sixties who came. I was like,
oh my gosh, we used toyou know, get I watched the
show every okay, But then therewere also people who brought their children,
little kids, you know, becausegenerations had been taking in that character,
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because that's how great he was.But Paul, with all this level of
fame and you know, decades ofit, still was a fun person.
And he recognized as his fans andappreciated their appreciation. You know. It
wasn't just like one of these littlebugs. No, he felt their appreciation
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was part of the show. Andyes, and to be part to get
to be well one. Actually thestart, it was a little sad because
the project we did was Pee WeeHerman started as a live stage show in
La in the early eighties and heused to do at midnight at this rock
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club, the Roxy, and itwas sold out for years enough that he
got to make a movie. Andthen after the movie, he did the
Saturday Morning Kids Show. But youknow, decades later he said, let's
let's go do the stage show again, but let me work the stuff from
the Saturday Morning Show into it becauseall of the puppets and stuff, we
couldn't afford those at the Groundlings backin the area. So he rewrote the
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original stage show and put in alot of the stuff from the TV show,
like the character I had the joyto play Cowboy Curtis because laurd Fishburne
was probably a little too busy.And what he did was he took because
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Phil Hartman, another legendary Groundling hadI'd written the original Pee Wee Herman show
with Paul, but he had passedaway before Paul decided to reboot the show,
so he took the TV character CowboyCurtis and had him do what Phil
Hartman's character, Captain Carl used todo in the original stage show. So
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I mean I was stepping into twopairs of shoes at once. Wow.
Yeah, Phil Hartman's and Laurence Fishburn's, I mean, two incredibly amazing actors.
So but because I was with Paul, it wasn't an intimidating thing.
It was a joy fantastic I thinkbeing able to introduce my kids to Pee
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Wee Herman through that first movie andthen through episodes of the show. And
my wife is not from this country, she's from Australia. She never got
it. She just said, Idon't get it. I don't understand what
you guys are laughing hysterically at withtears in your eyes. It. Uh,
we did. And I don't knowif it was the international thing.
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I don't know what quite didn't clickfor her, But my boys and I
absolutely loved being able to I lovebeing able to introduce them to that or
all. So, oh, that'sinteresting. Well, I'm sure they're on
some level. You know, asan adult at your age watching Pee Wee
Herman, you got the you know, mental references Paul was making to Captain
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Kangaroo or whatever. Yes, absolutely, your wife didn't know. She did
not grow up with all of thatold American kids stuff, and you know,
Paul definitely drew some of that intothe Pee Wee Herman Show. I
mean, it wasn't specific. That'swhy it's still works for kids today.
It's not like he's not just youknow, parroting you know, some old
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fifties show. He's creating a newthing, but in his head there's these
elements, you know, from misterRogers or whatever. He's pulling all that
into it and we feel it absolutely. And I got to see the Pee
Wee Herman Show with you in it, and you did a great job stepping
into those shoes. You were fantasticfilling in for Fishburne and the great Phil
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Hartman. I want to talk toyou about another thing that you worked on
in the past, and that wasyour work with NASA TV, the Ask
the Astronomer's Live show. Now weyou and I have something in common in
this regard. I host a podcastthat deals in astrophysics, weekly show that
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I do, and I'm not myselfan astrophysicist at all. I've picked up
a lot along the way and learnedquite a bit. I'm waiting on my
honorary degree. I feel like maybeat some point I might pick it up.
But I do host the show,co host the show with an astrophysicist
and h and we talked through what'sgoing on at NASA and with some of
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these you mentioned the you know,tech billionaires, some of those guys that
are now into this business as wellwith their companies. So how did you
get into that and what was yourinterest in in that prior to hosting that
show. Actually, it was justa coincidental thing that brought me into that
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world. Turns out, a womanwho worked for I believe it was JPL.
Our kids were on the same soccerteam, and you know, she
came up to me after a game. It's like, you know, some
of the folks in my office,you know, are fans of your sci
fi shows that you work on,and they think you might be a good
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choice for a host for this showwe're putting together because there it was their
concept that I stepped into it,that there would be an outsider, you
know, performer person who introduces theaudience to these astronomers. So it wasn't
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just an insider talking inside e toyou know, it wasn't just an astronomer
talking to other astronomers and it's like, yeah, everybody, you're just listening
to astronomer's chat. No, itwas I was the you know, standing
in for the audience. Wait,wait, what does that word mean?
There are a lot of those typesof questions. But it was funny because
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you know, when I went throughcollege, graduated from Yale, but I
was an English major and the scienceguys took their classes up on a hill.
I never even went to the buildingwhere the people I interviewed on asked
the astronomers live would have studied.So it was definitely about learning. Like
you said, it's like, ohoo, I could get credit for this,
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but you know, it was lettingyour learning be entertaining for the people watching,
you know. And it was agreat, great perience to you know,
get to learn about space. Youknow, some things were new,
some things were things that have beenaround forever. And and the producers of
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the show always picked such great smartyou know, and a wonderfully diverse pool
of incredible astronomers, which is Ithink a really great thing because for most
people, when you think of astronomeror scientist, there's just that one image
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in your head. But no,no, no, you don't have to
look a certain way to think acertain way. And I think that show
helped people to understand that and openup for younger people. It's like,
you know, if you could wantto go down this path, you don't
just have to look like, youknow, Bill Knives science guy, thankfully,
because not everybody can pull that lookoff. There are a lot of
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a lot of scientists that will willcome to Dragon con and they'll be panels
and things, and now that theyused to call them UFOs and now their
UAPs, of course, and thatconversation is now gone into a very bizarre
direction. So they'll be skeptics,and they'll also be the non skeptics that
will be at Dragon Conda to talkabout UAPs, and if they still want
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to, some of the non skepticsmay still say UFOs. I'm not really
sure. The guys that got corneredin a cornfield or whatever and probed and
you know, some of those situationsthat that thing was easy to blow off.
When you have actual, highly decoratedNavy fighter pilots talking about it in
Congress, then it's like, waita minute, maybe we need to pay
(31:40):
more attention to this. So Idon't know where all that's going, but
it's been fun being able to coverit, and I do the same thing
on my show made of stars thatyou do it or you were doing.
And that's basically providing those questions,asking those questions where maybe it seems really
easy for the astronomers to say,well, you know, there's this term,
(32:00):
and then I go, wait aminute, go back, what does
the term meaning in because you justwant to hear it a second time and
they can prove that they can sayit twice sometimes because they're big words,
right, it's big words that theylearned in their first class in the strata,
well in some cases elementary school.I think for some of those,
for some of those right now,West, I assume you're still doing your
(32:22):
show since you know the term UAP, and I'm like, wait, what's
he saying? What is up?And I realized, Oh, if I
was still doing the show, Iwould have, you know, had an
episode where we covered the transition fromUFO to UAP, but sadly we haven't
been doing the show lately. Hasmoved on, all right, the Unidentified
(32:45):
Anomalous Phenomenon, And at one timeit was aerial, but they noticed that
some of these strange things are goingunder water, so they had to make
a change. And interesting and it'snow being discussed in meetings in Congress.
And that's just strange because I knowit's come up before, but the caliber
of the witnesses discussing it are muchhigher, and it's making it a lot
(33:07):
harder to just ignore it and leaveit. Uh, you know, to
the to the Randy Quaid characters frommovies that kind of were a little crazier.
Now it's a little bit more legitimate. But you also want to let
the science play out. Yeah,and and trying to make sure that the
scientists do their science with it.Well, I know you're getting ready to
(33:30):
come to Atlanta for dragon Con.You're a left coast guy, So when
you get into Atlanta into the Southeast, is there anything that jumps out at
you? And I don't know,you've probably well you've spent some time here
because of dragon Con. But isthere anything that you do when you're when
you're in Atlanta that you think,Man, I need to get to this
place, or you know something legendaryabout Atlanta that you've got to get to.
(33:52):
Well, for me, it's there'sthere's people that I know there because
my grandfather's families you know, originatedthere. Then he went to Detroit and
I still have you know family friendswho live in Atlanta, because you know,
(34:14):
we have family, you know,all over the place, and so
getting a chance to go there,I always have to make sure I reach
out to our friends and you know, because that's a wonder you know,
to go for work and to gofor play. Absolutely great to catch up
(34:34):
with those people now as you getready to come to dragon Con. Any
final word for your fans who mightbe coming up to see you, No
final words. Just make sure youcheck the weather forecast before you decide how
heavy their costplay costume is going tobe, because you know, Georgia time
(34:55):
of the year could be hot.You know you don't want to be sweating
out of armor. Absolutely and wheredeodorant? That always extra extra extra deodorant
and hydrate those are both critical,always right, Phil Lamar, thank you
so much, looking forward to seeingyou at dragon Con. Thank you West.
(35:15):
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