Bikers Lives Matter in South Africa

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome, Welcome everyone. It's Black Dragon. This is Black Dragon
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you can trust. Hey, it's all my veterans out there.
Today's our special day. Happy Veterans Day to you all,
and thank you for your service. When I first came

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into the military. It wasn't long after I came into
military in the early two early eighties, and I was
able to see through my time in I was able
to see a time. I lived through a period where
in the United States there would be a people would

(01:01):
say called veterans baby killers, and they would spit on soldiers, sailors,
and marines when they were see them. It was right
during the Vietnam War, which is an afterthought for many
of you, but I lived through that. I was a teenager,
and I was able to see how those veterans were

(01:23):
treated and the PTSD so many of those guys had.
There were so many in my neighborhood in Oklahoma City
around Classen and Northwest sixteenth Street, there were so many
of these relics, these hulks of people what remained of them,

(01:46):
and they as they were trying to progress and process
after the war, and there wasn't things like PTSD things.
The VA wasn't taking care of these people, right. I
saw so many of these destroyed individuals, and as I

(02:06):
was a teenager looking at the hulks of these people
after the war, knowing a lot of these people as
older classmates and older people in the neighborhood, you know,
and then when they came back from the war, they
were just completely wrecked and savaged and destroyed mentally. And

(02:26):
they walked around for many years as I was growing up,
relics of the people they once were. It was one
of the things I was most terrified of going in
the military, coming back and being like that. And I
can remember a time in Norfolk, Virginia where there were

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signs in people's yards that said sailors and dogs keep
off the lawn. And it was very difficult in those days. Also,
soldiers and sailors and Marines and airmen were very poor.
I can remember first class petty officers, these sixes being

(03:08):
on welfare while serving in the military full time. The
things that we see today that thank you for your
service and all that kind of stuff, it's so much
different than what the people than what the people went
through that I got to see, and it was one
of the reasons I almost never came in. For those

(03:29):
of you who send me these messages thank you for
your service, it touches my heart. It actually brings tears
to my eyes. It makes me want to weep because
I remember a time when people did not say thank
you for your service, and now people go out of
their way to say it. When I'm going in stores,
when I wear one of these hats around, somebody tells

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me thank you for my service, five or ten times
a day. And I came from a time when people
didn't say that. When you walked around Norfolk, Virginia and
the police treated you like dogshit because you were serving
the military, and when citizens would say sailors and dogs
keep off the grass and stuff like that. So I

(04:15):
want to say thank you to all the people that
have sent me thank you for your service. This morning,
Ronzi says. I remember my uncle talking about the treatment
after the war. It wasn't until I deployed the Iraq
in Afghanistan that I somewhat understood that he was suffering
from PTSD. So many, Roncy, so many, Ronci. Oh, Yeah, Mike, Paul,

(04:39):
you know you're welcome to come in here anytime you want.
But you already know that, all right. So today we're
going to be going across the pond, as we used
to say in the Navy, We're going across the pond
over to South Africa. Man, And I wish I had
like some South African music. I forgot the get some.

(05:01):
We're going across the pond to South Africa. And the
motorcycle club set in South Africa is going to blow
you away.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Man.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
They they the motorcycle club. They got as many, if
not more motorcycle clubs as we have. They got motorcycle
clubs all over the place. And this is so interesting
because they've got committees like COCs just like we do. Uh.

(05:34):
It is that. It is crazy. So we're gonna be
spending some time in South Africa. We might even be
going over there once a week or so. But we're
gonna go hang out in South Africa. We're going to
talk to mister J. Blackhawk, right, mister J. Blackhawk, and
he has a foundation for a better Uh he may

(05:56):
correct me later. It might not be a foundation. It's
a it's a group. It's a it's a functioning organization
that is concerned with bikers lives. It's called Bikers Lives Matter,
and it's a movement and join the movement. They've got
some things going on. He's gonna explain what that is
to us and tell us about the South African biker scene,

(06:19):
and hey, who knows, I might even go over to
South Africa and ride and hang out with them. So
we'll be back in a minute and seven seconds after
this brief introduction, We're going to meet our South African Bretran,
which is how we say brethren. We're going to meet
our South African Bretran and find out about what it

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is they're doing over there. This is very exciting to me.
So we'll be back in a minute in seven seconds.
South African, South Africa biker clubs, Bikers' Lives Matter, Join
the movement. Join me in a minute in seven seconds.

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Speaker 1 (08:49):
And allow me to introduce my co hosts, the honorable
the newly elected Canada elect District too. But we're the
only motorcycle club and news channel in the entire world.
You have our very own police commission up in the house.

(09:11):
What's up, man, what's happening? This is really cool. You
know we need sirens and stuff for you. We don't
have no sirens. Here we go.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
Good morning, sir, Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I just want to know what you're going to do
your first day in office.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Oh no, man, but it's gonna be your want. It's
gonna be wonderful once I figured it all out.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Listen, we got a couple guys on this morning. Let
us introduce mister j I gotta get out of here soon.
I got class, and mister Dimple Narcy. I hope I'm
saying his name right. It's spelled dimple, but it could
be dample. I don't know. Let's get it right. Hey man,
what's up going on, y'all? What's up? Good?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
What's good? America?

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Was good? Good morning, good morning. What's happening?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
All good? Oh good congratulations, Commissioner, to do your oversight.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
We protected, yeah, Lavishing ain't protecting. No, no, no, he's not,
he's not. He's going to say, I don't know. I
don't know it. Beat me, Hey, h am, I saying
you're righting your name right? Dimple? Is it dimple or dample?

(10:40):
I think that dimple? NARSI. You guys are in South
Africa and you represent bikers lives matter, uh and and
we're gonna get to find out a little bit about
First of all, I'm so excited, thank you for being
on my show, on our show, Thank you for being
on our show. And uh man it is it is
cool uh to see you guys and look at you guys.

(11:05):
Is that your colors? You win your colors there?

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yeah, we're representing the forty five MC South Africa forty five.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
She's like the forty five caliber pistol.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
That's the one, the one.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Oh wow, which which which one do you like? What's
your variant of forty five? I like the glocks, Yeah,
the glock.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Nineteen clock manon.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm a black guy too, man, so I
have a few of the glock variants. I have the
seven shots shorty, the little seven shot carry one, and
I got the glock twenty one, the big huge service one.
I've had that gun for thirty five years.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Wow wow, jeez. And it's your shoots.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Oh hey, listen you watch John. Yeah, that's why I'm mad. Yeah,
hey man, thank you guys for coming all the way
over here to America. It is just so amazing how
these channels these. When I started this YouTube thing, I

(12:15):
had no idea one day I'd be sitting on the
phone talk or sitting yeah, basically telephone right talking to
people all over the entire world about motorcycling and motorcycle clubs.
I'm just blown away how this tribal thing has taken
off all over the entire world and everybody does it

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very close to the same, with minor changes, but you know,
very close to the same. Can you explain? Can you
tell us about South African biking and motorcycle clubs and
how it started over there?

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Do you know that?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Long history. Look, I think if we go back to
one of the first clubs in South Africa, obviously was
Ha where they came over and it started in South Africa.
But as we progressed and as we're gone on, biking
has actually now gone out to all cultures. So it

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was predominantly a white biking culture in South Africa. It's
now actually Indians, we say, colors and rats. So it's
actually grown now, so it's no longer just one ethnic
group that's riding bikes. It's actually now a family. It's everyone.
Everyone that loves and has a patient for biking is

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now into biking. So there is councils also, like you
mentioned in South Africa as various councils that managed the
bikers and clubs and things like that. But we also
have our one percent. It's just like America. We also
have our one percent of clubs as also, So it's
a variant of different biking cultures here. And yeah, look

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it's it's actually grown. It's grown fine white. In South Africa,
we call it black biking or Cassie biking, they call it.
So Cassie means Cassie means like you know, your hood,
so we call it. We call it Cassy biking.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
We call that.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Hear that too here, So it's.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Actually it's actually growing. And you know, like I said,
it's diverse cultures. Everyone with the same mentality, everyone with
the same cold to write, to enjoy the freedom of riding,
and to brotherhood.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Wow yeah, yeah, brotherhood. So the most second club is
about we man, not about eye.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
If you bring the eye comes a problem.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
It's a it's a collective idea and trying to make
sure that everyone understands the code, understands the brotherhood. I
think the word brother is the word that's loosely thrown
around these days because people.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Don't mean it. I agree.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
I agree getting it back to what it was and
the advent of why we ride motorcycles if you look
at the history in terms of the military code and
the rights of passage in terms of respect and seniority
for the rank, regardless of what it is.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
So you've got the president, the vice president, you've.

Speaker 6 (15:19):
Got the sergeant at arms, and the council that governs
the motorcycle club itself, and the respect for that before
respecting the men. Respecting the rank is what is more
is important and getting that into the groove of everyone
understanding that this is why we ride bikes and why
we have ranked, why we have conslemen is something that yeah,

(15:42):
has to be in built all the time and reminded.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
In terms of people riding bikes. But now currently we
have a lot of bikers who come in for the
rog reasons, Others come in for charitable reasons, others come
in to make money. Is just a mixed masala we
call it in South Africa, mixed attitude of things and
people coming in and not understanding why we actually.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Ride backs and why we have rank where we have rank.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
So yeah, it's it's a culture and an education that
needs a paradigm shift for people to understand exactly why
we do what we do.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
And yeah, just sets us apart from the rest of
the world.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I guess now. Okay, so just like us, your vest
tells a story. I'm looking at the forty five the FFF.
What does the FFF stand for?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
So the FFF, if you look at the alphabet's a
B C D E F G.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
All right, so it's a B C D E F
which is six, so F represents six and then the
other one is another six, so it's forty fives forever.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
That's what our FF stands for.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, we have something very similar here. Are you a boxer,
you're some kind of a fighter. You got a boxing
glove on.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
You, Well, there was one that fell off, which is
a cross between the the X and the hammer. So
after that we so we've got to find a statement
in the club where we say we'd like to get hammered,
and then once we're hammered, we box.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Once we box in the boxes we should them.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
So the boxer beat you down, he's getting shot and
you'll be hammered in stone the whole time. We have
a club kind of like that called the Booze Fighters,
and they were all they were always known to fight
after they got all boozed up. Very interesting, Uh, the
the representation of the cultures, Like you can just look

(17:44):
at a guy's cut and and tell so much about him,
and it's it's it's just I'm just always fascinated. As
a motorcycle club historian, I'm always fascinated at how close
these biker clubs aligned, Like I could I could go
to Africa and my cut and uh and and and
and be uh seen and recognized and noticed because of

(18:07):
what I have on. People would know my status and
all of those sorts of things. Now, do you guys
wear your rank insignia because you're a president. I don't
see president anywhere.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'm not a president, So I'm the.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
You're a road captain, Yeah, you're a national president, national stationers.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Okay, yeah, so way this ship, I'm the cleaner.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
And then also represents a chapter that sits under the
forty five uh national which is the east Side chapter
and I'm the road captain for the east Side chapter.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Wow, the national chapter which is South Africa MC.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
So you have a national position and a read and
a local position.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I'm a consonman for the club.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Can you see that?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Lavish? What's going on? Man? All right? So uh, dimple,
tell us a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Okay, So I'm a national president for Calvary Bikers Monastery MC.
So we are Christian biking club. Oh wow, Yeah, so
I do a lot of monastery work. I do a
lot of work with churches, communities feeding.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So we're basically more more on the on the on
the on the charity side, but we also support of
various biking events. I just want to put my cart on.
I didn't actually put it on because I thought this
was just around bikes.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Now put your cut on. Man, you're a preacher. I
can't curt you're a preacher. Preacher?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
If you see mine is it is Calvary Bikers Monastery
right now?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yes? Okay, yes, so we actually.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
We're a monastry club, but we're also an MC and
then we've got a number on hours but ours is
six six, seven h and six exactly on hundred percent.
So we actually believe the.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Devil and you're sixty sixty seven. You can't get that
to be trying to get nothing over on me. Man,
don't try that. Don't be trying that.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yes, look, I've been in a biking fatal for quite
a long time.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
It takes it takes dedication and you know in South
Africa biking is a bit different from other countries, but
we all have the same mindset and that like I said,
it's biking, the love for biking, the love for building
the brotherhood. So this is a it's a big thing
on our side, this idea that we do and like

(20:53):
although we are a monastry club, I work with various clubs,
so we don't see other clubs as you know, you're
not a Christian club. At the end of the day,
if you guys are having a biking event, we call
it a j older side. So like get together, we
support it. We support the guys with a lot of fundraising.
We just finished up a fundraiser now for Cancer Association

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where it's a lot of elderly ladies who needed some
funds to actually support the community. And the community doesn't
get funding. So we actually partner up with these people
and we support them, raise funds for them and actually
help communities and that and and also in the biking
fraternal wherever we can assist with clubs MEDI eighteen assisting meetings,

(21:35):
we actually go and we do that.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Also. Wow, we have we have one of you on
on our show. He's not here today, but it's our brother.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
You just put them in the whole thing. We got
one of you.

Speaker 8 (21:52):
You didn't say you know the other host on the show.
You know he's in the motorcycle ministry. You go and
you said, well, we have one of you. You categorized
him and put him in a whole separate box.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
And that's why I have you and him on here
to keep me right, to keep me right. We have
a motorcycle ministry uh pastor on our show who represents
motorcycle ministries, and I really wish he had been here
to talk to you because he uh everything you're talking

(22:28):
about he does. His name is Logic and he's the
on the cot He's the actual person that brings peace
and calm to the show. Between Lavish and myself, as
we are always targeting one another and uh the preacher
brings the calm and the piece to the show. So uh,
now let me ask you this, do motorcycle ministries have

(22:49):
to go through the same exact thing to get Uh
Do you guys have blessings there or clubs blessed?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
So what I do is on a yearly basis, I
have something called a Bicha dedication. So in Johannesburg in
South Africa where we are, we get the bikers together,
we get to a church, my local church, and then
we have a blessing service where we actually pray for
all the bikers, you know, for safe traveling mercies to
ensure that you know what, they'll be traveling safe on

(23:17):
their bikes here in South Africa. Pray for them, pray
for their family. So that's something that we do on
a new basis where we actually do that. And my predecessor,
my late national president, he actually we used to do
a memorial run. So at the end of the year,
we used to actually have a service dedicated to the
bikers that have passed away where we actually make a

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board across and we put play cards on there with
their name and the club's name and when they passed away,
so just to honor them. So we used to invite
all the clubs to their service and we used to
honor them and honor their families also and show them
that you know what, as much as you've lost a
loved one, we as bikers are still there for you.
We still stand together and we stay with the families.

(24:00):
So that's something that we try to build you in
South Africa. You know, if we lose a biker, it's
not just a guy that we have lost. We actually
check up on the families. We make sure that they're
okay and things like that, so we can actually build
a relationship with them. So it's more about it's not
just you and your bike, it's family involved. Also a
lot of clubs here in South Africa actually do that.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
So you're the national president. Uh, you have chapters spread
out across the country, I would imagine, so we.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Have in different provinces. Yeah, yeah, it's actually provinces. Yeah,
so we actually do that. Yeah, so we have different
provinces where we have chapters and that ranning.

Speaker 8 (24:38):
You know, you gotta and I know from a past
show you Got You Got the Gentlemen, They got Toronto
a chapter in Toronto Canada, but they also got a
chapter in Africa.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Okay, yeah, yeah, chust Associated Uh huh, I think you're
talking about CMA Christian Motorcycle Association.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
No, there's a club called the Gentleman's Yellow.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
Yeah, And he just brung it up in the comments,
and I thought about it because I've seen the post
like a year or so ago, and I don't know
how to pronounce this.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Cabo Verdet.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
C A b O.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think it's very.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Kept. Fade is a different country from where we are.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
There's Cape Town, which I think you're alluding to, which
was previously the Cape of Good Hope, now called Cape Town,
and there's Cape Fade, which is a country as well
up north.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Yeah, I kept ver gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Okay. Verdet is a country in Africa. Uh so, I
don't know where in Africa, but.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
That's the one.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Republic of Cabo Verde is an island country somewhere off
the coast of West Africa.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, I know, if that's done.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay. Uh. Now, for the reason that we're here, first
of all, National, I appreciate you being on here. National.
I was a national president, so I definitely appreciate you
being on there. I was a National President for many,
many many years and it was really cool and I
appreciate it anytime I get to speak with the National President.
And also, uh, let me ask you guys this two things.

(26:32):
So I wanted to qualify you guys as bikers and everything.
What kind of motorcycle do you have?

Speaker 2 (26:36):
National I'm riding Gentri Suzuka.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Hyabusa Gen three.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
All right, that's the newest one. That's the newest one out.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And uh, what are you writing, sir?

Speaker 4 (26:52):
I'm onna is it X ten?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Yes? Sure?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
The Americans because I did as Z.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah. Yeah, we don't say talking to somebody across the
other side of the water, they say Z and I'm
yeah yeah. So y'all call it Z X ten. Is
that what you wo? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (27:16):
We call it X ten.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah that's so long X ten. Yeah, you got it.
You got a ninja. What's the fastest you've written on
that thing? Yo?

Speaker 4 (27:31):
That moves fastest I've done. Hopefully we're not recording this
to nine.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Wow, two hundred ninety eight kilometers wow? Yeah? Okay, And
how long have you been.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Writing your it's been wow. I'll say you will take
twenty twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah, And National how long you been writing on the
same twenty twenty five years?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Oh wow? Okay, So now for the reason you guys
are here is to talk about biker's lides. H all right,
tell us a little bit about this biker So we're
on your Facebook page and you guys can look this
something we see. Bikers Lives Matter International is the Facebook

(28:16):
page and you got twenty one thousand members and let
me say, can I join? Do you mind if I? Yeah? Okay,
I just joined. All right. So this is the Biker
Lies Matter International. So you guys are an international organization
and Bickers Lives Matter is initiative meant to ensure that

(28:38):
bikers are heard, bikers are seen, and bikers are respected
on the public roads. Tell us about it. How did
this come up and what does it do? Yep?

Speaker 6 (28:47):
So this came up as an idea where we had
so many bikers dying. Yeah, so many bikers being nimed
on the road, so many bikers losing limbs. It became
like World War one more time, you know, with people dying,
and the advent of it was always a situation where
corps would arrive with the scene. The idea in the

(29:09):
notion is that a biker is always fast and if
they are fast, then the other cause of the accident.
But not looking at it, Oh that's one of our brothers,
their bridebunder Ken number five last week. Yeah yeah Africa.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well outstanding man.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Outstanding doing it on the international stage.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
So yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
We we then said bike and said, guys, we need
to do something about this.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
So we pitched the idea to bikers around us and
we formed the organization Bikers Lives Matter. The idea was
that we needed to conscientize people, raise awareness and also
engage in charity to work, which are the three pillars
of our organization, but most importantly the prosecution of cases

(29:59):
because that I don't know how you guys have in America,
but in South Africa, if you hit a biker and
they either die or the airmen, you go to court
if there is evidence. Most of the times there's no
evidence because the biker was fast, for it's his fault,
which we wanted to change as a notion because now
we have like you see that Jolly is a rider,

(30:19):
she's a woman. And their family men, family women, businessmen,
business women, doctors, lawyers, corps, you name it. And we said,
you know people always look at it from a position
of saying bikers are gangs, bikers are rowdi, bikers anruly,
So we wanted to change that notion and then make
people realize that we are also family men. We are

(30:41):
people who've got people who look forward to us arriving
back at home. So if you kill us, you're killing
someone who's either bread winner or someone who's contributing positively
to the economy through taxis or businesses that they're running.
And we formed this organization to try and raise their
awareness and also reach out to government to change certain laws.

(31:03):
If you look at it from a position of one
being arrested, evidence is taken, bladds are taken, they take
too long for those bloods to be processed, Toxicology reports
take long, pathology reports take long, and when the case
actually then hits the desk of a judge, you know
sitting with missing evidence, missing witnesses, docads that have gone

(31:27):
through several hands and have been moved from one officer
to another, and there's no enough evidence because you know,
in court you have to have the crime being committed,
You have to have the evidence to show that the
crime was committed. You have to have also witnesses that
witnessed the incident happening, and there on, you can then

(31:47):
have a conviction which is beyond reasonable doubt. So most
of these cases get to court with doubt because either
the pathology report was incorrect or was keptured doing correctly,
or it was wrong or blazzed been lost, So those
cases are thrown out of courts. We then said, no,
let's pund an organization that is a civil movement that

(32:08):
speaks to government, say guys, you need to change the
way you're doing things, because if you hit a motorcyclist,
you actually do go to quote and you're charged on
that and you actually get either be a confinement or
a fine that you have to pay. But it's it's
drastic that way. If you look at it from a
biker's perspective, it has never been that way. So one

(32:30):
gets arrested, I found guilty. They are given a five
years to spend a sentence one. There is no endorsement
on the license. They are literally just being given a
patron the back. So you know what, you kill a biker,
be on your way getting your kind drive again, and
you can do it again, but don't do it in
the next five years. But what happens the family of
the person that has been left behind. What happens to

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government funds if you look at from outside, We've got
what we call the road Accident Fund that pays out
anyone who's been in an accident, either it's that they've
been injured or they has been resulted in death.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
There is money that is paying out there.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
So if you look at it from that perspective that
these things, if the cause does not fit the punishment,
then you are not changing the attitudes of people around you,
And ours is to change the attitudes of people around
us by changing the law to be punitive enough to
enjoy that people are aware of bikers on the roads.
People are aware of the fact that if you too

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kill a biker, these are the consequences. That way, people
will actually start driving properly and they will be less
reckless and reckless and negligent driving. Also reducing the amount
that is being paid from the national purse to all
these accidents that are being committed, and ultimately we can
still be able to ride.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Our bags and come back home to our families. That
is why we formed this organization.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
So as a result, the organization has grown we represented
in all nine provinces in South Africa is Halting, Limpopo,
the Western Cape, Northern Cape, Northwest, Puma, Langa, uh.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
And I'm not leaving anyone out here.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
The Free States as well, and we've we've also grown
into neighboring states around as places like Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Lisutu,
We've gone up north to Ghana, Benin Pago, Nigeria. We
are now for the first year this year have been

(34:39):
managed to actually be established in Ireland as an organization
and we've got representation on the ground which means our
flag is flying high uh In in Ireland under the
leadership of Warren in in In in Ireland. So it's
an organization that is growing built on the fortitude of

(34:59):
saying that this is what we are doing. We are
for bikers if you look at it. For most perspective,
people always look at bikers. If you see in part
of me that's a charity event where kids are fed
by bikers, but wolf looks after the biker when the
biker is in trouble.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
That is where we come in as a movement. Hence
why we.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
Always try and push this out to everyone, so guys
come out let's make this thing happen. And yeah, looking
forward to feather engagements on this and also spreading this
probably to the United States as well, and then creating
the movement that goes worldwide and it's recognized to ensure
that old bikers are keept safe on the roads.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
That is a very lofty goal. I'm just looking at this.
This is the same. It's just crazy how much the same. Uh,
this is community of bikers are our bikers feed families
and stuff as well. This is really amazing.

Speaker 9 (36:00):
Support this home, support us when they say we are
having to every way.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
This is one of the homes we have after adopted.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Yeah, Betheen.

Speaker 9 (36:12):
Uh, it's our third time I hear on our event,
which is a major event. And we can't leave be
Wween without coming to this house, even if it's just
to see mama.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Because they're lying on your donations and everything that call it.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
And re first from people as we are here today.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Well, watching all those bikers feed these people, Uh, it
just it brings chill to uh to my heart. Go ahead,
you guys. I took the sound off I.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Tag and the other thing that we also do as
bikers Lives matter so we do a mess right every
year in October in South Africa it start sport month
and it's cancer month. What we do is we actually
get all the countries and the orovincers to get together.
We get the bikers together, we do a mass ride
where we close off the highways. Then we actually we

(38:07):
actually speak to the bikers. We promote bikers Lives Matter,
we promote what we're standing for, the safety, the awareness campaign,
and then we basically do a mass ride of about
four or five hundred bikes, so we talked about seven
hundred bikes on the highway, where we leave a certain
place and we end up at the destination where we
speak to the bikers encourage them, and you know that's

(38:29):
the most one of the most important things around bike
Lives Matter. What we do, we try to raise the
awareness and therefore we are spread across Africa. We are
spread into Island also where they're also doing this, and
there's a set date every year in October that we'll
all do a mass ride and where we actually speak
about bikers Lives Matter, try to encourage the bikers, try

(38:50):
to explain to the bikers how they can request for
assistance and things like that from us. Remember we are
a nonprofit organization, so we don't take any money out
of this. And if I'm looking at Director Jade that
is sitting here, this man sacrifices a lot. And when
I say a lot, I mean a lot. Sometimes he
sacrifices this family where I get very angry with you

(39:11):
and say, you know what, you need to switch off
a little bit. It's about time you switch off because
this man is running around with cases, running around to
police stations, running around to courts, trying to sort out things.
And you know that's the reason we said we want
to make a difference, and we have actually made a
massive difference in a lot of people's lives have actually
come short. Bikers have been taken out by trunk drivers

(39:34):
and you know in South Africa it's a common occurrence
where bikers are off. And if you're looking at what
you scrolling through now though, that's a mess rider. That
was done by one of the clubs that supports us.
This club supports us in numbers. When I'm saying numbers,
they come like three four hundred at a time. When
we do our bikers lives matter around these guys they

(39:54):
call crusaders. They come out in numbers, they do the mess,
ride with us, they support us, the assist us. We're
blocking off the highways. And you see, that's what I'm saying.
In South Africa, the biking culture has changed a lot.
It's it's no longer seen as a racting it's now everyone.
If you're a biker, we don't see race, we don't
see religion, we don't see that we all are bikers

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and we equal as bikers and we respect each other.
And that's something that the code of conduct that a
lot of us follow where we speak about loyalty and respect,
and in South Africa, that is something we also as
bikers' lives matter and as clubs, we want we promote
to say, have the loyalty, show respect, honor your colors,
honor your fellow biker. And this is something that we

(40:38):
actually promote across Africa.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
Man, that's great. I mean, I'd like to see it, man.

Speaker 8 (40:44):
You know when you look at it, you know, being
from two different countries, we're doing the same stuff.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Man, the way that we're doing it.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
You doing the same stuff that Americans are doing as
far as biking. And I'm sure what the countries, and
it is amazing when you can talk to somebody from
a different place and share these stories and we see like, wow,
it's no different because sometimes we wonder, I wonder what
they do over there?

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Do they really have bikes like we have in ec
You got all the crotch rockets over there.

Speaker 8 (41:16):
But when we see a lot of videos online, we
see those little smaller motorcycles running through those dirt roads
and narrow areas where people live at. So we don't
see as much of what we're seeing right now. I
mean even with the crotch rocket, leathers and the boot.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Everybody's got the leathers on man.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
That's yeah, I look the guys. Safety around you is
very important, especially you know what with our roads in
South Africa just speak about just in Joanna's but where
we're from, Jay will explain to you our bed. Our
roads are bed. We've got photos, we've got speed bumps, this.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Same terminology that Americas had, we got speed.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, and you know, a lot of we change the
perception because when people go online and you know, when
they see bikers, they think they're gangs, and they think
we are tugs, and you know, we're all buzzy with
all this rested business and and and they've actually come
to realize that we bikers came more for our communities

(42:25):
than the own local communities. I mean amount of community
work we do as bikers, and I'm not just speaking
about like my club, I'm talking about bikers in general
in South Africa. The amount of community work you'll see
on our page, You'll see on all the pages, the
amount of community work, the feedings we do, the charity
events we do it. It's a key focus for us
as bikers to raise funds to assist the community because

(42:48):
we've come from the underprivileged communities. We come from communities
where biking was never something we could afford or do
as we could. And now that we can afford it
and we can do it, we actually want to change
the narrative and say that we are not tugs, we
are not drug lords. No, we're actually bikers who care
for people. And they've seen this and with bikers life matter,

(43:10):
our mess run. It's actually changed a lot of perceptions
of people in South Africa and in Africa to say,
you know what, these bikers care for us, they are
also human beings. They're also using our roads. We can't
just ignore them. We can't just not see them on
the roads. We need to give them way when they're
riding and respect them as road users. So we've actually,

(43:31):
you know, I can say, thank god, we've changed the
narrative of people's thinking of bikers in South Africa.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Jerry Blackhawk cats you right there?

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Man, that's you baby?

Speaker 1 (43:45):
What do you get ready to take us over? Brown?

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Embarrassing? Man, it's embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Man.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I don't like being celebrated.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Man.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
I'm just here for the people. Man.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
When you look like you've had to take over the
whole nation with that right there? What are what are
all these? Are these all provinces on you here?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
So those are burges?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, those are badges. So what happened is, like I
was saying previously, on our current cuts, obviously we don't
put those badges. You'll just see our club badges on
the those bases are every time you attend the basically
you pay an entry fee, so maybe you pay a
sixty r entry fee, and what they do is they
actually give you a badge to say that you have
attended this event, we have supported it. So I think

(44:30):
and myself I've got over four waistcoats full of badges
back in front. I don't even wear them anymore. It's
it's actually every right around those spetal badges.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Is that what you call those waistcoats.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, So our cuts are actually it's it's it's it's
it's our cuts, but it's it's actually a waistcoat.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
But we call them our cuts or our colors.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
So that that's uh, that's your dress, that's your like
your dress, dress dress code, your dress colors. Yeah, like
we have dress colors. We have our normal colors, and
then we have dress colors, the ones that have all
of our good good stuff on them. Look at this. Okay,
I want some T shirts, man, Yeah, I would definitely

(45:13):
get them.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Yeah, definitely, yeah, send them over, Send them over. I'm
a large, I'm a large.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I'm a fox bro. Uh now I'm a three X now,
but still send me a four X. I know.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
On the right inside the jay sorry if you're black,
if you look at it on the right inside there, Dregon,
you'll see those posters if you click on.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
One of them.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
That's actually our run. So this is a run that
we did this year in the different provinces and countries.
So these are our mess right posters that we actually utilize.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
So you did a run in Maputo.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
Yeah, that's in Mozambique, just across us.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
And you did a run in Qualamine. Mm hmmm is
that it? Oh my goodness? And uh you did a
run and okay, so here's some look at these motorcycle clubs.

(46:16):
You got the Crusaders and this is a prospect here.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Right because he doesn't have Yeah, he's a prospect.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Okay. And there's another prospect.

Speaker 6 (46:25):
And then we have who is cub is this that's
most vicers. Those were the hosts and that's one of
our community members, Milton. My money is he runs the
Bicker's Lives Metal organization for us in Mozambique. And again,
like Temple was saying, the Crusaders across the country in

(46:47):
a different country in Mozambique, we're supporting.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
The run again.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
Just last week the guys that they run a bit
later this year. I was was in October, they did
guys in Mozambique.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, sod be big club. Yeah, and this is a
certificate of participation of something.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
Yeah, that's that's small appreciation of the guys who are
doing great things.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
In biking.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
I have joined the Biker's Lives mental movement and are
doing the most for bikers in their country. So it
wasn't big decided to create certificates to just honor them
and all the work that they're doing for them.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
And what language is this estayge certificado. Okay, all right,
oh wow.

Speaker 5 (47:37):
Yeah, listen, listen, listen up. I got to get out
of here because I got to get to class. All right,
I'm gonna I'm going to catch you all.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
It was nice meeting you and learning and seeing what's
going on over in your country and seeing how much
you guys are just like us as far as the
culture and everything like that. So so I want to
say good talk to y'all, take care, and I wish
you all the great success with your organization clubs and
biking over there.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Lovely, thank you, permissioner. All the based on your new role, yes, sir,
thank you, Yes, all the.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Best on your new role. I guess I should have
said that I feel bad now new role.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
They're lavish, that's right, that's right, all right man?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Uh okay, so this is this is so cool, man,
But I don't see the where the Harley's at I
don't see any Harley. I love speed.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
That said, there are quite a few cruises around the side,
but the guys they love speed to said.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
South Africa's yeah, I don't see.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
I don't see no no big bangers nowhere like we don't.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
We don't really have, you know what.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's one thing.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I'm a custom bike builders, so I actually on the
sideline of Bull bikes and I customized bikes. And one
thing I can say, we cannot compare to the bikes
in America, the Vegas and the boossas you guys Bully
and the bikes you guys built. It is totally different.
I think we don't actually get a lot of the

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accessories de sided. We have to import them and it's
quite experience.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Importation is always expensive.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It's madness, especially to bring in something from the States
to you. It's costly.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Uh. And you guys have in memory up rides and
stuff just like we do. Man. This is I just
feel like I feel like I could be a biker
in South Africa without uh, without much. Okay, so you
guys have our stuff on your there we go.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
We're all for no reason. We celebration as well. In Africa.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, that's this is our stuff here. This is also
guys Oklahoma, Yeah, this is our stuff. Okay, look at that.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Yes on the page. Also, we don't we don't actually
just dominate. We let people who was part of the
page to actually publish anything that's biking related. We allow
it on the page so we can you know, at
the end of the day, we say we want to
share the brotherhood in a biking culture, so we don't
limit it. We actually let people from all the time
tries postings on our page on our Facebook page.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Also, oh that is really cool. Well listen, man, I
have enjoyed you guys for the last fifteen minutes on here.
This is really been eye opening. I really want to
cover a lot more going on in South Africa. If
you're South African club, you want to come on or
whatever you want to talk on. I want to do

(50:41):
it like a weekly South African show and just really
get into the biker life in South Africa. So get
in touch with these two guys. They've got my number
and let's let's get you guys on the show. Let's
talk about your organizations, your history, all this. Look at
that this guy has your your patch. Man, we need

(51:01):
some patches and stuff here.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Man.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Now, we're a proper package for you guys, and send
it over.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Don't do this to us, man, don't don't have a
naked about patches and stuff. Don't do that.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
We actually give those pictures out for whoever attends, all right,
so every year they actually receive one other. You either
get a metal badge or they'll get the bit.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I'm coming, man, I'm coming, I'm coming. Wait, don't wait
to see me my patches though. Oh y'all got hats
and everything.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Man, we've got a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
And oh y'all got some beautiful women and everything over
there in South Africa. Y'all are doing y'all thing. I
didn't know y'all was doing everything like this. Okay, yeah,
uh wow, Okay what else? What else? Man? What else
you got for us? This is beautiful? I am so.
I'm just like a kid here right now.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
You need to start up a Baker's Lives meta in
Americal So.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yeah, maybe so maybe so send me your charter and
stuff and we'll look at it. I don't know why not.
It needs to be. You know. One of the problems
in America, however, is that term, uh doesn't go over
as as big. There's been a lot of controversy around

(52:27):
the oh, whatever lives matter thing. It's a beautiful term,
but a lot of political politics politicization has happened around that.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
It was.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
It started off as black Lives Matter, and a lot
of people got mad about it and then started attaching
It's just too much even to even go into. But
it reminds me of cultures and how something that can
be really beautiful and one culture can be something that's

(53:00):
that's bad in another. But uh, we can uh definitely
talk about it. It might be something that we do here,
it might be really a cool thing. I understand everything
it stands for, and I'm I'm one with that one
hundred man just looking at you guys rolled down the
road and and do this stuff. Now I went down.

(53:33):
That's the same all over the world, and that's how
we run man. So ahead.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
Yeah, so you can tell the numbers in terms of
the perception. I think the other thing that we've done
in Africa is create a situation where most bikers are
now leaving the original countries of birth and riding across Africa.
We've got bikeers, We've come all the way from king Nigeria,

(54:08):
Benin Ghana riding all the way down to South Africa.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
We've got going up.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
And riding their bikes and just enjoying the idea of
riding in in Africa and then creating that notion that
we are one and the fact that people understand in Africa.
I think that one thing that we pride ourselves is
Africans is the hospitality of someone that you do not know,
you know culture.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
If you fear in the rural areas.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
And you have someone who doesn't have anyway to sleep
and own a journey, the idea is that you give
them a home, you give them a warm meal, and
you give them water.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
You made them feel welcome. And I think this is
something that.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
We still pride ourselves as Africans that we still have
that ubuntu, which is an idea that you are because
I am, and hence we are one, regardless of race, color, cree.
If you look at our page, we've got about twenty
one thousand people sitting there, you can imagine the rackers
that can actually happen if something goes wrong. And we've

(55:08):
tried to ensure that we have integrity as an organization
and We've got respect for all regardless of who you are.
You do not beat mouth to anyone, You do not
have any sarcastic comments to someone. And we're proud ourselves
in this because for the past seven years we've never
had an incident where racial players is laid around because

(55:28):
of the respect that people have for the organization and
the integrity that we've built around the organization, and most importantly,
the idea that we're not here for making money, but
we're here to save the community. I think that speaks
volumes in terms of who we are as an organization.
If really wanted mine, I think the first thing would've
started by saying, was that your dragon, here's our banking titles.
If you guys can send us some American dollars, would

(55:50):
really appreciate that. But that's not who we are. We're
here to just ensure that by bekers are safe on
the roads. We are seeing, we are heard, and we're
respected on the roads which have a way that works
for us. We are willing to ensure that this organization
sustains itself even after we have left the scene. And yeah,
so we we're really proud of what we have built

(56:10):
so far and everyone else that supports the movement, A
huge thank you to them because they have understood what
the concept is about why we do what we do
and where we are sitting as an organization, and slowly
we are getting into the rhythm and making.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
This thing work.

Speaker 6 (56:26):
And the numbers that come on our rights is something
that is phenomenal. Because we are are a political we
do not associate with any one club. Everyone from any
club is welcome to be a part of the organization
and that unity, for me is more important for the organization.
And above all, humility and humbleness and not being pompoused
about the work that we have done. I think it's

(56:48):
built and created strongholds around us, people like Blazza, people
like people like the Kuba and whose one of our
directors who's not on this core were humble people who
are not afraid to tell you where to get off
when you've gone wrong. That thinks that, I think is
something that builds us as an organization. We don't have
a hearsay, we don't ever yes men. We've got men

(57:08):
who are of integrity, men who sit back and say
that is wrong, corrected in this particular manner, and taking
that criticism and correcting yourself is part of leadership and
that is what we are as an organization. So yeah,
proud of us als, proud of the team that is
behind this organization. The passion that they share for this organization,
the work that they put into it without being paid

(57:29):
for it.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
That for me is just handling as an experience.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
So in your clubs, are women the same as men?
Are they full patch members or or or do the
clubs not have women as full patch members?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It actually various. Look, a lot of the clubs do
have females in the clubs. We have full patch members.
For example, in my club we are an EMC, but yes,
the women do have full patches. Some of the other
one percent the clubs, it's a bit different. There will
the woman will have patches on, but they will be
referred to maybe as familiar that means family, so they'll

(58:09):
have a patch on, but it's it's a it's a
family patch basically. But we have not look out from
my perspective and the clubs I've been writing with, we
have not been biased against women. So they do wear
full patches and that so there is a bit of
change here and there. I know in certain countries women
are not allowed to actually wear patches and things like that.
But from our perspective, we haven't had a negative perception

(58:32):
because we don't want to create a perception. There is
lady writers also that belong to clubs and they earn
their patch so they look although, like I said, we
have a ministry club, we're also an MC so we
actually have protocols where people do your hang around you,
you'll prospect and then you'll get your half patch and
then basically you'll get into the club. But we have

(58:55):
not singled out woman. Now they do have patches.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Yes, do you guys have properties property of? Do you
guys do that there as well?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
There is property of also quite a few clubs.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yes, okay, now this guy has an m c C
on Uh why m c C and not an m
C Yeah. Something we we have.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
We've got quite a different spectrum and and spread around
the clubs in South Africa. Recently we've had an advent
of clubs that or people just like riding together uh
in the call themselves forums. They do not adhere to
the Biking Court of conduct, but they were passion in
their back.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
A couple of things that we still need to fasten around,
but you got.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, yeah, he's just kinda put some ship on. We
know what that is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
So you also then have guys who come up and
put a patch, no club, no rules.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Why are you putting a patch because that is part
of a fraternity, So you're just making a mockery of yourself.
Why guys actually by those patches online and they just
teach them on they don't understand the biking culture.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
And you know, we've we've actually tried to curb this
and we've spoken We've actually, myself, Jay, quite a few
of us have spoken to people and said, guys, listen,
you need to be part of a club, or don't
wear a patch on your back, because we've got to
we've got to saying that if you have not earned
it and it's not in your heart, you don't put
it on. And that's something that we stand by. But
you've got a lot of these guys that pop up

(01:00:43):
clubs and buying pates online, and we try to actually,
you know, confront these guys and tell them please don't
do that. It's it's actually you need to understand when
you put that cut on and when you put that
patch on your back, what it means, what it what
it stands for. So it's it's it's it is a problem. Also, yes,
we also got pop up clubs and guys putting funny
patches on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
But MCC.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
So like, if you look at South Africa, we've this,
there's a different Iraqi, and you've got your one percentage
and then you've got your MC MCC and then you've
got MC Also that's a social motorcycle club, so it's
our socially riding and then you got rided r c's
that you're riding club. So MCC is something that's you're

(01:01:26):
also in South Africa, but it's it's been here for years.
It's not that it's something new.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Well we see MCC's and like the UK and stuff,
but they don't typically have back patches on, so I
thought that was interesting. So yeah, a little bit different,
but we have the same categories MC's r c's. Uh.
You don't see too many MCC's in the United States.

(01:01:52):
I've only seen a couple actually, but it's just man
so interesting. Uh, and then you guys have some of
the same problems we have, and it's very interesting. I
want to thank you guys. How does somebody get involved
with you if they want to become part of the
Black Lives Matter or Biker Lives Matter, they want to
be a Biker Lives Matter International do how do they

(01:02:16):
do that?

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
You can just join on Facebook. We've got our Facebook
out in day one month to join.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
It's free to all. You can just go onto the
page and like or.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Join as you've just done now and then yeah, spread
the words, spread the movement around.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
So yeah, that's who we are and quite excited.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
And you can message us also on Facebook and we
can provide more information, our contact details and how the
organization is structured, how it's run, what we stand for.
So yeah, you can even send a message on day
and we can actually respond to people on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Also twenty one thousand members. You guys are doing great things.
How old is your How old is the is the organization?

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
We turned seventh this year, this is our seventh there
running yeah, Gran grying strong, crying strong.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Well. Jane dimple Man, thank you guys so much for
coming to the show. Thank you for being on the show,
and thank you for hanging out with us. And man,
please don't be strangers. Let us know what's going on.
And Jay I want to know so much more about
what's going on there, So give me some more people
an interview man.

Speaker 6 (01:03:33):
And yeah, I we'll speak to a couple of guys.
Dimple will do the same. We'll splay the way out.
They get a couple of ems and mcs to come
in and showcase themselves and give you an in depth
knowledge of themselves. I always want to say a person
represents themselves better and we don't want to represent them
on the show, so inviting them will be great. We'll
send out feelers to them and let you know which

(01:03:55):
guys would want to come on the show, and then
you guys can.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Take them through the pace. It's not a problem at all.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
We all believe we're a plug and play organization. We
were not solely segregatory to anything. Wherever we can be
able to be of impact. And if this is part
of that impact, bringing in South African clubs onto a
show and showcasing Africa to the world, why not.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Do you guys have a major black one percent motorcycle
club there?

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
No, no, we don't look there's four there's four uh
one percent the clubs in South Africa only. But I
won't say it's predominantly black.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Now, okay, so you got four big ones, but you
don't have a black one like the outcast or something
like that. I don't even heard of the outcast. Most
of our club.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Outcasts. And there's actually a club in South Africa in
Joinn's book called Outcasts. Okay, okay, see that's called Outcast.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
Yeah, I'm down to twy EMC is so part of
those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, all right, guys, thank you so much for being
on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Thanks for loving us to be show Dragon.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Brother, Yes, sir, take care man, You'll be good. Thank you,
Thank you, national. I appreciate you too. All right, man,
that was so cool. That was so cool. Uh So,
if you're around the world somewhere you want to be
on the show, let us know wherever you are in
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Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
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appreciate it. Hey, I'm black Dragon. That's my two cents.
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