Cops Are Monitoring Satan's Choice What's Next for the Canadian Biker World

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Yeah, Wow, Polarious is being sold. Not actually Indian is

(00:32):
being sold. Actually Polaris is selling Indian. How about that
Polaris is selling Indian.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Off. Wow, well, I wonder what the hell that means.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's just like shocking, like they Polaris is selling Indian
and you know, like that's one of my favorite motors cycles.
We'll see what's going on with that. Also, and we
knew this, We knew this. This is not something we
didn't know. But now it's being leaked publicly that the cops,

(01:20):
you know, the Canadian Police along with the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police I'm sure, and all these other alphabets they
have up there are watching are officially watching Satan's Choice
Motorcycle Club. And we knew that. We knew that was

(01:42):
going to happen. We knew that was happening from David.
Now they're coming out and talking about it, and we'll
take a look at that. And also what is next
for you know, those fourteen guys that belonged to the
that were thug writers and I don't know if they're

(02:03):
still thug writers. Like a lot of times when you
go to jail and stuff, you get this like epiphany
you get this, this just amazing.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Like.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
And then you don't you know, then then those guys
find Jesus and stuff and they don't want to do
it no more. It's just it's just like once you
see those jail cell doors, Like when you see the
jail cell doors and those suckers slam shut, then you
know you be like, hmmm, And I don't know what

(02:39):
it is about jail cell doors, but they have this
way of bringing you to a to a new kind
of thing that the moment moment you hear them, you
just be like, oh my goodness, I just realized something
I didn't realize before. But in any case, what's next

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for them? We got a new story that talks about
what they're going to be doing next to them with them,
about them those guys that created all that mayhem up
in Ohio really kind.

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Of crazy anyway.

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Logic and everyone, what's up?

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What's up? What's up?

Speaker 7 (05:53):
Black Dragon? How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Sir? I'm good man. Your microphone is booming today.

Speaker 9 (05:58):
My microphone is booming as long as you don't put
up that screen and have me echo, hey man, what's
up with you? I'm doing good man, I'm doing the comments.

Speaker 7 (06:14):
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Speaker 9 (06:16):
He said, I can I do a video on pipe
tobacco and the joys and benefits of smoking a pipe?

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I can? Does do you smoke a pipe?

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I've never seen you with a I don't think you
know you can actually put one on up here? Will
wall Street, McLea facts. Everybody's a g until reality sets.
And oh the folks are talking in the comments already.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
Two pipes that I smoke.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I gotta show that.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
You can't show that. I can't show the pipe.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, no, tobacco products and stuff. Bro, that's put yes
it is.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You got a familia understand and the algorithm they'll shut
shut up.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
But we don't want that to happen. Mike baulb be
doing it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I don't know how how bad YouTube is on it,
but TikTok TikToker shut.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Your life down. It would have been already shut down.

Speaker 7 (07:20):
Okay, I just I just flashed it. It was just
a flash.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah. Hopefully that didn't get us uh demonetized.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
He never used tobacco products either.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
There you go, Oh, yeah, that's right. It's a vape.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Indian has been sold off a few times in its history.
But this could be a better thing for Indian.

Speaker 7 (07:42):
It's always been a better thing every time they gets sold.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, the first couple of times they were sold. Like
back when we did the movie Barker Boys, Indian wasn't
doing too good. I got to ride Laurence Fishburn's Indian.
They gave him one uh and he brought it to
the movie set so that I could so I could
ride it. I got to ride large Fishburns Indian.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was cool.

Speaker 9 (08:07):
Yeah, did you see the AI stuff that's coming out
saying it's gonna be a bike of boys too.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I've been seeing it, seen that. Yeah, yeah, uh, but
but no it ain't.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I'd like to see a new biker voice. It would
be beautiful. But no, really, did you do this again?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
You saw that?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That was my fifteen minutes of your approval. Yeah, we
invented that during the movie, Like, oh my goodness. I
tried to make everything as And it's funny because so
much of what what we did back then has become
standard of things that happened now, but they weren't particul standard, and.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
We should have refund. We should have refund for this episode.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
We should have what why?

Speaker 9 (09:07):
Because he's an Indian guy, he's like a representative for
their test test riding their bikes and all kinds of
stuff for him.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well, maybe you can get us on somebody from India
to talk about it.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
See how how does it affect what's the what's the
background story?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, we well know, but anyway, Uh, Mike says, I
never used tobacco products either. Uh.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Hugh Heffner smoked the pipe? Yes he did.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Do you think Hugh Heffner was a PERV? We have
to have that channel that talk one day there's all
kinds of channels about smoking, different cigars and pipes and
different things.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, but you can't do it live. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Oh, Jared, Jared, Jared JEREMIAHS. Gonzales wants us to check
out his channel. Can you actually go to a link
like that? Uh, you gotta, you gotta send it to
me Black Dragon at black Sabbath mc dot com.

Speaker 7 (10:07):
I'm opening it up right now.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Okay, so let's uh, let's get to the stories here.
Uh first story, first thing is first. Uh, let's see.
We gotta dig way down.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Okay, well, you know, you know what, but that's YouTube.
I mean that's Facebook. My my, our guys.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
Swollen Swoll does a.

Speaker 9 (10:37):
A Sunday morning thing and he's sitting in his car
pumping on the cigar, talking about news.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is it on YouTube?

Speaker 7 (10:45):
It's on Facebook?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
YouTube, Facebook and TikTok have slightly different terms of service,
all right. I know if you if you even bring
a cigarette to your mouth on a TikTok live, it's done,
it's done.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, it's done.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
But Mike does smoke on YouTube live, so maybe it's
not just I gotten to the point. I ain't pushing
none of it. Like, do you know you can't show
a weapon live on any of them. You can do
there are weapon YouTube weapons channels, but you can't have
a lot of weapon on live.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Mike's not a real weapon, like if you're doing martial arts.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, not a gun, I mean a gun.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Can't have a Okay, got you, Mike Ball acknowledges TikTok.
You can't play with I can't play with TikTok.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
No, they they're not going good morning mountain woman. I
can say what's going on without say good morning.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Good morning mountain woman. All right, today's story share the
screen here. Police are monitoring the resurgence of the outlaw
motorcycle gang Satan's Choice in northern Ontario. We'd like to
say motorcycle club, but that's how they. Social media indicate

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new chapters are popping up in cities and in Sudbury, Thunder,
They Oshawa, Hamilton, but you guys are behind. They're all
over Canada now and from what I understand, what I've
heard is they have eleven chapters in the United States already.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Really eleven, that's what I heard. That's what I heard.
That's fast, not really not really.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
For today's age today, how things go today in today's world.

Speaker 9 (12:28):
I mean, I mean, were they popular when they and
when they were out before the patch over what they
popular in the United States?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
No nobody had ever heard of them.

Speaker 9 (12:39):
So that's why I'm saying, that's why I would think
that was kind of fast for it to grow that
fast in the continent of the United States.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Not really, not with the folklore behind them, Like they
were the second largest motorcycle club in the world when
they were taken over, uh, and and half of them
went to the Outlaw and half of them went to
uh the Hell's Angels, which the Hell's Angels wound up
becoming the dominant motorcycle club throughout all of Canada.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
So they were a prize when they were when they
were split up and taken over, they were a prize then.
So with the folklore behind them and then being an
original and check this out one piece patch.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 9 (13:31):
So for those of you, where does it say MC?
Uh does it say MC? I don't see it on
the on that patch. While this is this is like
in the flame of somewhere.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
That's that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I never noticed let's see Satan's choice MC and then
we'll look for images. Maybe. Yeah, they don't have MC
in the patch.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, this is an original one piece patch club Bro
without the MC.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
So so for those of you, you're gonna be a
three you're gonna have three piece and a.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
Four P three piece, four piece, five piece. Yeah, yeah,
that's I just find that quite interesting that they don't
even have m C on it.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
But but get it twisted and don't be thinking they're
an m C. And see what right that part?

Speaker 7 (14:35):
Yeah, you're not an MC, but you don't have em
C on it.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And so let's go look at this old pet pet
picture right here. This is an old picture. Uh no,
it doesn't look this is Pinterest? Dan, can I have
can I you got Pinterest? Want you to sign up?
Sign your life away? Give us your zipo, social Security number?

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Holy moly? Can we can we just get the picture? Okay?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Let me just look at this old Satan slaves. They
don't have it either. There are all these one piece
patches from the old days.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I love it. I love it because you'll have on it.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
So the Raw Raw boys, we can tell the Raw
Raw Boys to kiss your ass because they don't know
what they're talking about. You can see it in the
old patches, like here's the Satan Slaves. They do have
MC on theirs. Come on, can I have the picture please?
But you know, the old one piece patches, and this
is very very common in California. It's still among the
black clubs there a lot of them don't have three

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piece patches.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Never did.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Okay, it gave it to me finally, thank you. You
got to just be persistent at it. But as you
look at the old Satan's Choice patch from eons ago,
can I have the picture please? Just really daunting trying
to get that picture, you know what. I wanted to
zoom in on it and see.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Okay, do that?

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah you go, yeah, Nope, it still doesn't have No,
it's not there, which is what I kind of wanted
to see. Yeah, it's just Satan's Choice on all. That's interesting, interesting, interesting,
And this was back before. I don't see the diamond,
but you do see one percent right here, but not

(16:18):
particularly necessarily a diamond.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
For instance.

Speaker 10 (16:24):
Hey, black Dragon, let me ask you this question, man,
just you know, educational purposes and stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
When did that one percent patch come out? Has that
been is that an old thing or more of a
newer thing.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So there's two stories about the where the one percent
patch came from. Okay, so there are two clubs that
claim they have started the one percent patch. That is,
the Pagans claim they have started it, and the Hell's
Angels claim they've started. So the Hell's Angels started the

(16:58):
patch in nineteen fifty and you'll find that in my
book Motorcycle Club Protocol one. Get your book book Most
Side Club Protocol one on one available on Amazon, Kendall,
and at Black Dragon's Gear dot com. But in nineteen
fifty eight, the Hell's Angels brought together they designed the
one percent patch that we mostly see. It looks like

(17:19):
the patch from the Big Red one the Marines, And
a lot of times when a one percent will come
up to a marine and says you got the big
red one diamond patron, the marine can look back and say, yeah,
because it was copied from our patch. We had it first,
so get away from me. But it was designed and
then the Hell's Angels determined the clubs that were worthy

(17:45):
to wear it and call them all together in a
meeting to say, okay, we're going to be one percent ers.
This is the patch, and this is who gets to
wear it, and this is what color yours will be.
So theirs was red and white, and everybody got a
color designed for their patch. And believe it or not,

(18:07):
there were black clubs that were invited to that meeting.
So in the first one percenters in the United States
of America, a lot of people never knew the Frisco
Rattlers was a black club, one of the first clubs
in the country, along with the Hells, Angels and others,
to wear that one percent.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Diamond.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Now crazy. Most of the black clubs during the time
were like, you know, this is nineteen fifty eight. They
were like, there is no way in hell we're putting
that diamond on us. You know we we already got
a target on us. It's this black skin.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
Hero Benson two years ago sat down with a group
of all of us at the Ride to Eat.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
He told.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Did we just interview him? Orsall that? Or seen his name?
I've seen his name.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
He Heroes the o g from Chosen Few.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
Okay, a matter of fact, I think one of the
guys from Children Few just posted a picture.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
Up yeah.

Speaker 9 (19:14):
Him, and that's why the masks man come to mask man.
He told the story of Black Dragon, but you just
what you're saying, And then he went into when did
the black motorcycle say in California started wearing and why
they bore, why they didn't want to wear it and everything.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
So yeah, he is very interesting. I mean, he had
everybody captivate.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
There was nowhere in hell all black man back then
was getting ready put that diamond on. And when I
did the research for this book, I talked to a lot.
So there were black outlaw clubs, but they had other
things to indicate that they were outlaws instead of diamonds.
So like, for instance, if you see old black clubs
with choppers, like you just saw, we just saw this

(19:59):
satan Satan sidekicks whatever they were Satan something. We just
Satan slaves. They had the choppers, the chopper handlebars, because
that's that was one way that you indicated that you
were an outlaw, is if you had chopper handlebars. He
ran the whole thing down to me that I put
in this book. But the first one percent clubs Roaring twenties,

(20:21):
road Rats Roaring twenties, there one percent diamonds black on
red road rats was black on white skull Riders was
white on black, President's Motorcycle Club, yellow on red gooses,
the Galloping Gooses, purp on yellow angels, red on white vampires,
green on white rattlers. That's the the Frisco Rattlers, which

(20:43):
eventually became the Founders. Over there, the founder Heavy started
the Soul Brothers, and their Frisco Rattlers was orange on white.
And you notice the Soul Brothers is orange. Interesting, huh
that was their their diamond. The mofos white on green.

(21:03):
So many it's all you know right here. So that's
where the one percent now and then also the Pagans
have a story of creating the one percent diamond, which
I don't know that story well enough. I don't remember
it well enough to go into it here and not
be it sound like a dumb ass, but that's where
it came from.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Hopefully that answers your question, my friend.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Yeah, yeah, you get an opportunity m hm, say Leavitt.

Speaker 9 (21:31):
If you have an opportunity to sit around Hero or
any any of those ogs and just you know, don't
ask questions, just just let them talk, you get a
you get a bank full of knowledge.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Was glad you focused out on me? And not Black
Dragon because he not to not talk.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Jason just correcting me, Big Red Waters.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
He'll just go on and cut the guy off and everything.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Man, Jason just informed us, and I'm glad we got
all these smart people on here. Big One, Big Red
One is an army unit. But Black Dragon is right
that the first Marine Division are a red diamond with
a yellow one and a yellow outline. Well, thank you
so much for correcting me on that. You hate to

(22:15):
get military units wrong. But anyway, the police are watching
this Satan's Choice. Ontario Provinsional Police, the OPPS Bickh Enforcement
Unit says it's keeping a watch on the resurgence of
this motorcyc club.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
They're being vigilant about it, they said.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
They call them an OMG that once dominated northern Ontario
streets and appears to be making a comeback.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Ontario Police.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Provincial Police say that they're keeping a watch on renewed
activities from Satan's Choice as several of the biker games
continue to operate chapters.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Across the North.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
They don't have to keep such a big watch on
it because all you got to do is just go
to their Facebook page and they are really reporting kind
of exactly what they're doing, almost step by step, so
it's not like you got to connect any dots or anything.
They're very proud about it, very bold about it, and
the club is growing large like any club would do today.

(23:08):
In today's world, there are a lot of clubs that
do big takeovers and big crossovers, and you know when
that club was taken and split up, I mean a club.
Two clubs grew pretty big, pretty fast, the Outlaws and
the Hells Angels by taking all those members. So they
always act like this is such a thing. I can't
believe they're growing so fast. I can't believe they're taking

(23:31):
in all these people. Like, yeah, if any club would
grow like that, there's gonna be problems.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
There'll be.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Unchecked growth will bring some of the most undesirable people in,
but if the club develops a strong social construct, those
people will quickly be farted out and what will be
left will be a hardcore club. So it's gonna Yeah,
there'll be some growing pains, but I think they're gonna

(24:01):
You know, nothing can check this kind of growth, especially
for something that'd be so popular. The idea is popular,
the idea of a club coming back the idea of
new leadership, the idea of a new growth. This motorcycle
club is not going to be focusing on Harley's alone.
You can ride anything any kind of club or nationality, right.

(24:24):
I don't know about or nationality.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (24:26):
If somebody just said, there's a lot of black people
in the in the same Choice now and probably more
coming from the black.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Clubs, Jason Conway says, the Saty's Choice has their diamonds
on the front left side of the vest and at
the back of the vest to the right and left
left low side. Their rockers state the region and it
says a CMC. So yes, it states empty. Oh okay,

(24:56):
so it does have MC on it somewhere we didn't
see that, but it's on there.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
So yeah, you know, people are educating us there are
a lot of black men, are there? I don't.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I don't know if there are or ever were, but
some people up there would know there are a lot
of black members in the Choice now, okay now, and
probably more coming from other black clubs. So if they've
opened it up to to to to black folks. And
I talked to Harley, he didn't seem particularly like, you know,

(25:30):
It's not something we talked about, but he didn't seem
particularly closed minded about things.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
I've seen that.

Speaker 10 (25:37):
I haven't seen too many people talk about it recently,
but just slightly over a year ago, I seen, you know,
where they had different clubs bringing in, you know, other
races that they wouldn't typically have you know, broun Gay before.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I haven't heard anything recently about it.

Speaker 10 (25:54):
So was that just a thing at that particular moment
where they trying to prove a point where they're trying
to move in a different direction.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
It didn't work out.

Speaker 10 (26:01):
Have you been hearing anything of any clubs bringing in
other races which they.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Wouldn't have done in the past.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah, currently, like still like right now.

Speaker 10 (26:10):
Like I said, I knew a little over a year,
you know, we were I've seen a few different things
and was hearing conversation about it, but I hadn't it
kind of like went away.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I met the first black pagan in Georgia. I met
the first black pagan in Georgia. So that what was that?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Last year? It was okay, yeah, it was. It was
a big deal here.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Bro Uh, the black one percenters didn't like it very
much at all, and so there were definitely some issues behind.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
That is just one as of as of as of
now that you know of or no.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I know of several.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I know several now, Okay, yeah, I know of several,
and not just not just the Pagans. There have been several,
uh of the big clubs. I've heard rumors. I haven't
met any black Hell's Angels or even seeing any. I've
heard rumors, and you know, there'd be Dominican ones and
stuff like that that look black to me. But you know,

(27:15):
we we shall see how long that goes on. I
don't know if the Choice are doing that or not.
Canada that never really had the same like race issues
that we have, so they I don't know. We accept
all walks of life, baby, no rats, no goose. That's all,
so he says we so he must be a Satan's

(27:37):
choice person. So here you have it right here. We
accept all walks of life. Baby, no rats, no goofs.
I have learned that goofs is a prison term. And
if somebody calls you a goof that's like the worst
thing you can call somebody.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's like calling a black person like dragon.

Speaker 10 (27:55):
Let me ask you this, because you're talking about goofs
and I'm thinking about this. Did one of the viewers
call you a goof because he in boxed me and said,
I'm so sorry, I'll never do that again.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
This happened like in the last two weeks. This happened
in the last two weeks. I don't remember what it.

Speaker 10 (28:18):
Was, but because I didn't see it, I was I
was in class. But he sure got in contact with
me and was like, I did not know. I can't
remember what it was, but you know what it is
because you remember the conversation. But he said that, oh
he did, Okay, I did not know.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I felt so bad. I felt so stupid. I forgot
what he said.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
But he was just joking at the time. But uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know, here we use the word goofy, and sometimes
we use it as a compliment. Boy, you being goofy.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
We use it.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
We can use it as a compliment, but you don't
want no word like goof because it's I.

Speaker 7 (29:00):
Don't call guys goofy.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's like it's like, I know you, I mean in there,
it's a prison term. It's like it's not calling a
black person a band uh b A n you know, yeah,
you know the B a N word somebody. But uh, yeah, yeah,

(29:22):
you ready to get down. Uh you're ready to go.
If someone calls you a band, it's over. So uh
that's what the goof w it is about. So and
I've turned it comes from prison. It's the worst. It's
like calling you a punk. And I think goof means
and literally get out or fight. So either run or fight.

(29:46):
I think that's what it literally means, get out or fight.
I think someone sent me that.

Speaker 10 (29:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
They're really pushing a brand, not just the MC, but
support clubs and an r C. Pretty interesting. I think
they even got like truck clubs and stuff like they
are push brand.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
He's pushing, he's pushing.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, he's he's you.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Know how the Rough Riders had everything cars close, yeah,
and music. Lulu says, Choice will have opp r C,
MP local and probably even csis all over them. Harley
is already well known within police services in his area.
He's a previous multiple pen timer. Wow, this is no surprise. Well,

(30:30):
he may have been a multiple ten pin timer. Pen
like penitentiary. He's been a penitentiary. I don't know about
multiple times, uh twice that I read of one. He
got five years Sleazy Devil says, good morning, y'all getting
in late. Pretty new here. I love the channel, y'all
keep running strong. Oh yeah, thank you about that man.

(30:53):
We appreciate that Harley is not a thug for life
type or speaks with a fake accent.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I think they're going to do some interesting thing. Connection correction,
non first Marine diamond. It is blue with a red one. Yes,
same shape diamond at the one percent used. That's because
it was designed by a next Marine in nineteen fifty eight.
And I have the original drawing of the Hell's Angels,

(31:21):
the diamond that the Hell's Angels first created, and it
looks just like it looks just like the big red one.
Not I keep saying big red one. It looks like
that that big that diamond that here it is right here.
Here's a picture of it, right here. Here's a picture

(31:41):
of it right here. Here's the first original diamond drawn
by the Hell's Angels. And here are the clubs and
the colors of their diamonds. So the Rattlers orange on white,
vampires green on white, Hells Angels red on white.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
It's all right here. This was the first drawing of
that diamond. And what it looked like. And when they
had the meeting, and big shout.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Out to the Hells Angels for not only being responsible
for but also preserving our club history.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
That's what it looks like if you ever wanted to know,
And if you look at that marine diamond, it looks
almost exactly like it, so that that you're looking at
the first one percent or diamond right here.

Speaker 7 (32:24):
Yeah, anyway, a swoll I believe you're right Swoll as said,
isn't rough riders in association out at MC.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
It depends on what rough rider you ask, because in
some places rough riders operate exactly like an MC where.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
They don't wear to MC and everything. No, but not
MC patch.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
But a whole lot of mcs don't wear the MC patch. Okay,
you know that's why I get away from so much
the raw Raine because a lot of the raw raws
just aren't right to.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Give back of the communities.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
That's something that we do see a lot in motorcycle clubs,
especially Satan's Choice. A lot of people have personally told
me that you wouldn't believe how many people write me
about this. Harley Gowindon guy and so many people that
personally told me about things he has done to help

(33:23):
them personally in a charity kind of way, in a
charitable way, and things he's done for kids, and so,
you know, he's like a lot of guys that have
interesting backgrounds. Like on one side there Robin Hood. On
the other side there you know, the Sheriff of Nottingham

(33:43):
is trying to get them.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
So there's a couple of black pagans in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, I'm looking at they were there.

Speaker 10 (33:51):
I hadn't seen on myself. I don't even know a
city there. If I'm not mistaken. If he's in there,
I want to say near lasting.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Kay black, says a black pagan. That's interesting, not not
not really. Uh, I know black, I do Meinikon says
b Lou. I know black. If your skin is black, bro,
you black to me. I don't think Satan discriminates.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I have b D in Luxembourg. Let's see, we only
have one black MC in Canada that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
No, there's two.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Uh, there's loose Gypsies, which are very close friends of mine.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I chrome out there. Those are incredible folks.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
But there's there's isn't there a black one percent club
or mixed one percent club, a new one called One
Order Biker News Canada.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Aren't they black or they got a lot of blacks
in them?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I think you only have one all black motorcycle club,
which is lost Gypsies. Hell of a club up there, man,
and I plan on riding up there to see them.
We need to go up there to get uh when
you when.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
We're supposed to go to the Iron Range, Man, we're
supposed to go ride with.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
The h A Uh, We're not going to the Iron
Range in October. We'll freeze our asses off. We have
to wait till the spring, bro. If we're going riding,
what you want to ride up there?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Now?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
From the US, I got a cast on my leg.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I rode with a cast on my leg.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
It's on like it ain't on my break this, it's
not on my right leg, it's on my sifter leg.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I have to tell you that I could not ride
a motorcycle. My friend gave me his wife's three wheeler
because I couldn't. That shifting thing was was hell from
the US choice for life, growing and taking over the world.
So look Zaan Calloway.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
Spole said he ran into a black pagan who was
the sergeant at arms in Maryland.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
So the Pagan's got black folks in them, it seems
I've heard. I actually personally met one. So I met one.
Barka News Canada. I saw your live with Satan's Throttle.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
That was cool.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, Baker News Canada is doing big things these days.
Zone callaway Hell yeah, brother sf F choice for choice
for CFF, choice forever. I can't remember what CFF is.
Choice forever forever. Choice Yeah, choice forever forever. Choice, support

(36:28):
your local one ninety three. Okay, okay, I got it.
Here in Canada we call goof you best set up,
step up. If you get called goof. If you don't,
then a goof you shall be treated like that's ugly, Bro,
that's ugly.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Don't be called a goof whatever you do.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
Man, Hey, hey, hey, a black dragon. Question.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Where did the numbers come from? What numbers?

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Yeah? And when you number a club, a club has
an a.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Number, sure, sure.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
So the number typically is some form of the alphabet,
so like the has are often called eighty one because
the H is eight letters in you know, ABC, A, B, C, D,
E F G H, so H is eight letters.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
In and the A is one letter in, so it's
eighty one. But it doesn't have to be like that.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
You know, Pagans are sixteens, but it doesn't have to
be like that, because like if you look at if
it was Black Sabbath, they would be two fourteen, and
that's a hell of a lot two fourteen.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
So other clubs will do it like this. So black B, L, A,
C K, right, so they'll do it like that.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
And then Sabbath has seven letters in it, so instead
of instead of two fourteen, it would be fifty seven.
So you'll see some clubs if they got like this
long ass thing, and they'd be like three hundred and
nine nine would be the number. Instead, they'll just count
the numbers of their of their name, and and so

(38:06):
Black Sabbath was fifty seven instead of two fourteen. Fifty
seven sounding a lot better than to fourteen. So that's right, Okay,
So that's what reading letter L is. Logic L is
the twelfth letter, I believe.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, so instead of logic twelve.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I guess you could call yourself twelve, or you could
call yourself l oge I. See, you can call yourself five.
It could be five.

Speaker 7 (38:36):
My number is three five seven.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Listen, bro, nobody's fighting with you over what your number is. Right.
You can have whatever number you want, bro.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Five seven.

Speaker 7 (38:49):
Ain't ain't levige. You can get with that number, can't you?

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Absolutely all right?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, okay, because he got his rights back and stuff.
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Man, You got none to do, got nothing to do with,
no good man.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Lost. I'm lost.

Speaker 7 (39:16):
Oh man, I feel like the grandfather has nothing to
do with with a pew pew.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Many m as operated with positions and some of the
same protocols as mcs do in the chapter level organization
m as motorcycle associations. Okay, I'm catching up. Uh I
ran into a black pagan Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Am I that far back?

Speaker 7 (39:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
You am? Yes, okay. Uh So some of them sees
used the date they were established too. Yeah. Someone used
the date for the numbers.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
So there's the numbers basically are a different way to
say the club name.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Uh some kind of variation that they put. And it
used to be the.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Hide to the club was until people started like you
could use eighty one instead of instead of that, and
at first people didn't know what it meant. But then
as the Internet came about, there's no secrets, and a
lot of times what clubs will do is they'll use
that number and stud okay, so only members can have
Hell's Angels on them. So you'll see their support gear

(40:20):
will say support eighty one. So you can tell the
difference between a member and a supporter because the supporter
won't have a damn thing on it that says Hell's Angels. Particularly,
it'll say eighty one, which is you know, So that's
what all that kind of stuff is for. Anyway, the
history of the club, this club has a long history.
It goes back. So what we know is that they're

(40:43):
watching them. They're keeping a renewed watch on them. Anytime
there's an emerging outlaw motorcycle gang, we take note. We
want to know who they are. Is there going to
be a problem, is they're going to be violence? Is
there going to be associated criminal activity with it? The
unit has operated, this biker gang unit has operated for
about thirty years. We've seen Hell's Angels and other outlaw

(41:04):
motorcycle gangs involved in every crime from white collar to
blue collar homicide, human trafficking, importing, but none of that.
So far has been associated with the Satan's Choice at
this point. But because they call themselves one percenters and
they're assuming reassuming the one percent, and they're going that
way in a lifestyle, of course, they're going to be

(41:25):
watching them and watching them very closely prior to them
being a sword into the Hell's Angels. In what was
known as in the bike world as a patch over
in the early two thousands, certain Satan's Choice was regarded
as one of Ontario's most powerful motorcycle gangs. Satan's Choice
has always been an all Canadian club, not anymore, and

(41:47):
its leader was international boxer Bernie Gwindon.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And this is Bernie Gwindon here.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
He's now eighty something years old, suffers from dementia and
his son, Harley Gwinnon, has taken care of him. Gwindon
would serve for fifteen years in prison for an indecent
assault on a minor and then for drug trafficking. I've
heard a lot of stories about this, and a lot
of people that don't like this club don't like it
for this man. They don't like it because he got

(42:14):
fifteen years for a decent assault on a minor. I've
heard a lot of stories about this and not everything
it seems to. You know, there are pros and cons
of this story and it might not necessarily be everything

(42:35):
that meets the eye is what actually happened. This past
August of former Hills Angels member and Gwydon's son Hardy
as we know, announced on social media that he had
relaunched a club and planned to open chapters across Canada.
One of the big things that people that hate this
guy and I listen, I got as many people hitting
me up with news and stuff that letters and all

(42:57):
kinds of shit. Man, They're sending me all kinds of
proof of this and proof of that. And my thing is,
if you want to cover that, but you don't want
to come on the show, but you want me to
do your dirty work, it ain't happening.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
But will definitely look up stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
But there are many people that hate him for his
prison terms, this, that, and the other, but there are
so many other people that write about all the great
things that he's done, especially when you're talking about charity
and things like that. So definitely a person with two sides,
and it says here Harley has also done several stints

(43:34):
behind bars and it says, several stints there, but you
click on it, it doesn't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Arcade. Let's see what do you get here? If we
slide that there, No, it won't give it to us,
but anyway.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
In twenty seventy, is convicted of the sault causing bodily harm,
forcible confinement and extortion with a firearm and send us
to five years in prison. He was caught up in
the Project Kingfisher in twenty twelve and he was arrested
on charges of drug trafficking in Norton, Ontario. One of
the most well known classes between Satan's Choice and law
enforcement was December nineteen sixty ninety six where they tried

(44:11):
to explode a bomb next to the police station.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Damn wow shit.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
They wasn't playing around. They had no care in the worlds.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, your boys was They got pissed off the police
and they were going to explode someplace else, but they
Two Satan's Choice members were convicted of making the bomb
and a Sudbury biker was found guilty of obstruction of justice.
The bomb exploded in the walkway beside the police station.

(44:44):
No one was injured, but it put a hole in
the wall. And these are big ass walls to put
holes in. This is what they call it walk Away
and this is the same one where the bomb was exploded.
The main suspect, Michael Dubay, maybe a Sudbury member of
Satan's Choice, died by suicide and jail while awaiting trial.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, he died by suicide. Yeah. You blow up a
police station and you died by suicide in jail. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Police said the station was targeted a lot, Yes, Sandra
Bland and others. Police said the station was targeted after
members of the gang were refused service at a local
strip club, leading to a standoff with the cops. The
bomb was originally meant for that strip club, but later

(45:33):
it was redirected to the police station at the last minute.
For I guess they got pissed off, more pissed off
at the cops in the bomb. Better than it blew
up there, because if it had blown up at that
nightclub or whatever it would have been, that strip club,
it probably would have been very bad. And these guys
are tough. They're going to blow up a whole damn
strip club with all them people in it. Social media

(45:54):
posts show new chapters for Satan Choice popping up in
cities including Sudbury, Thunderbay, Oshawa, Hamilton, now all over the place.
So this is the thunder Bay Satan's Choice right here
for an example. By this is an example of social
media posts made by Satan's Choice leader Arley Gwindon depicting

(46:14):
the new chapter locations very interesting. So then they go
on to say there are several outlaw gangs operating in
the North and you know they're throwing Satan's Choice right
in there with all of them. Wade said police are
aware of Satan's Choice resurgence and potential for conflict with
rival clubs. We will prioritize our focus on as it's needed.

(46:36):
If there's violence, especially violence after the public affecting the public,
police are going to be all over it. My suggestion
would be that other motorcycle gangs would like to avoid
attention so they can operate their crimes underground quietly. So
by and large, I would suggest that we're well prepared
to curb violence if it does start. He also said

(46:58):
that outlaw biker gangs offer and recruiting members of criminal
underground by targeting a specific area. Okay, and all of
that normal stuff. Outlaw motorcycle gangs have a one percent mentality,
which means they're one percent okay. We know that the
add of these groups will also look to recruit people
who owe similar views.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
We see the patches.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I mean, we know they're doing rides and having events
as well as involved in crime, and we're investigating it.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
That's about the best they can do. So that's what's
going on.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Most out gangs often sell merchandise and patches and support
gear depicting their respective logos. As something we said, Wade said,
people make a mistake to think they're harmless as wearing
a shirt to support a local sport team without understanding
the real risks. There are real risks with wearing support gear.
You can get your ass kicked if you're in the
wrong place. Just keep that in mind. We've had instances

(47:47):
of members of other of the public wearing support shirts
or sweaters or jackets and they get attacked for it violently.
So you're going to wear support gear, wear it to
your local place that you're supporting, and then straight home.
Don't be messing around. So anyway, that's that story. Here's
your satan's choice and they're out there getting it. Man

(48:08):
they're making bigger, making it bigger.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Now, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Harley Gwindon's father, Bernie Gwindon, was actually like the second
the second founder. The Choice had an original founder, and
the Choice basically got shut down by another motorcycle club
that was beating up everybody. I think they were called
the Popeyes, and Harley or Bernie Gwindon got a whole

(48:34):
bunch of clubs together and reopened under the name Satan's
Choice after getting permission from the founder. So like they're
protocol was followed in opening up that motorcycle club and
making it move and do its thing. Interesting story, we're
watching it, we get to see it unfold because it's
very much on the news. And and also Harley Gwinnon

(49:01):
is very pissed off. And Harley Gwindon, how did this
whole thing happen? Harley Gwindon took a leave of absence
to go and take care of his father who has dementia,
and when he decided to come back to the club,
two members would not vote him back in, and he
was very upset about it and became very public about it,

(49:24):
and eventually something happened where they moved his status to
out bad so Now, when you're out bad, you have
no voice. You can't say anything. I can tell you
this from experience. You have no voice, you can't say anything,
you can't get a fair trial, nothing. And so this
guy had a strong social media presence, so he didn't
have to be voiceless. You know, clubs are finding out

(49:48):
that the old tactics that they would use to shut
people down and make them voiceless don't work anymore. So
he didn't have to be voiceless. He started letting his
voice be heard. And then he made the decision that
he was going to restart his dad's club. And that
decision is incredibly popular among Canadians. Actually, it's like it's

(50:10):
like huge. It's like huge to have because all of
their major clubs were were gone and now to have
this indigenous club come back and with the roots of
Canadianism in it, and it's from here, it's us, it's
part of us, it's our history. We ain't taken no
orders from America or Australia or whatever other place where

(50:34):
clubs come from.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
This is our own thing.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
It's exploded and that's going to be hard to cap
the whole idea. So he got very vocal about it.
The other thing he told me in the interview was
his father was out bad too. His father made a
statement on the news, and that statement, if I remember,

(50:58):
was something like just because you're Hell's Angels doesn't mean
you're solid or something like that, which we will say
something like that, not everybody that wears your patch is
your brother. That could be considered a very negative ass thing.
So when he said that, I think they put him
out bad for that being out bad? So should he
have said it? Harley gwyn And said, no, he shouldn't

(51:20):
have said it. But being out bad means all the
things that this man did. He gets no funeral, no
Hell's Angel's funeral. And Bernie said, or Harley said about
his father, Bernie, there ain't no way in hell. I
love my dad, I honor my dad, I respect my dad,
and there ain't no in hell. He's not going to

(51:40):
get a funeral. But now he's going to get a
Satan's choice funeral. And man, I see nothing but honorable
shit there. That's to me, that's honorable that. I've had
people write me and say he doesn't care about his
dad and all that, and you know, how do you know?
So Uh, but you know, people that know him know him.

(52:02):
I don't know him. I just know what he told me,
and I found him to be quite focused when he
was speaking. He didn't seem like a crazy kind of
person to me. I was going to say that word,
but I realized it's not a good word to say.
But anyway, that's that story.

Speaker 9 (52:21):
We only covered the Indian thing for like five minutes.
Oh let's uh, let's let's we don't got time now
real quick?

Speaker 7 (52:32):
That an hour?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Uh, Pilari's is selling Indian Motorcycle majority steak.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
They're getting rid of it.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Today, Polaris announced it the decision to separate its motorcycle brand,
Indian Motorcycle from the business and go back to selling
what they want to sell is those side by sides
and off road vehicles. They only made four hundred and
fifty million dollars last year on this on this on
these bikes, and they believe by separating it into its

(53:03):
own company, it'll make fifty million more dollars next year.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
So they're not getting rid of the brand, they're just separating.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
They're selling off the major they're selling off the majority ownership.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, it's still make it.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
You're just going to have a new buyer.

Speaker 9 (53:22):
Yes, and they're selling it to an investment group, to
Carlwood LP, independent private equity firm.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I don't know if I like that or not like that.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
Yeah, I know, because it's owned.

Speaker 9 (53:36):
Well, you're still going to have you a president and
CEO and all that stuff, but the company will be
now owned by an equity firm. Equity firm has only
been around since twenty fourteen, not saying that's not a
long time, but now you have a money market money
going into into this to the Indian motorcycle company.

Speaker 10 (54:00):
I wonder if they's going to be one of those
things that they hold on to it and then to
another company buy it or another motorcycle company pick it up.
The reason I'm only and i'm thinking about it since
you know y'all just brung it up. I haven't looked
into it. How does this affect owners moving forward? Or
do what affect them as far as production on parts
and things of that nature.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
So now they say it's not going to affect them
at all because they're going to keep giving the making
the parts.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
And then this company when.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
It takes over, they're going to keep They're given the company.
The new company, they're manufactured of the manufacturing plants and
manufacturing and design plant over in Switzerland or wherever the
hell it is.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
And they're going to give them all the engineers and
nine hundred employees and and and all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 9 (54:51):
So, and it's an American company. It's they're based out
of LA. I think it's lad. I see that where
they based out of. It's an American company.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
I pulled up. So we'll be talked about this. I've
pulled it up. They're based out, yeah, LA, they're based
out of They're headquartered out of Los Angeles, California.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
So Indian Motorcycle has contributed four hundred and seventy eight
million to Polaris revenue over twelve month period, and then
that's only seven percent of Polaris overall revenue in that timeframe.
So they expect that they will get fifty fifty million
more dollars just by separating. They get to focus on
making the off road vehicles. These guys will focus on

(55:32):
the Indian Motorcycle. They'll they'll get they'll get to keep
nine hundred employees in engineering, design and manufacturing. They'll also
get the Spirit Lake, Iowa and Monticello, Minnesota. Manufacturing facilities
as well as the industrial design and technology center in Bergdorf, Switzerland,

(55:53):
will be continued to be part of Indian. They're going
to keep a small part of the company but during
the transition, Indian Motorcycle said it will continue to provide service, seals,
and support to dealers and customers. After the seal is finalized,
the new Indian Motorcycle Company will continue to sell motorcycle parts,
accessories and garments through the established already established dealer network.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
We might not see anything, we might it might just
be smooth.

Speaker 7 (56:16):
So Indians is a Swiss company. It's not an American company.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
It's an old company.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
But they have their design factory in Switzerland.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Their design team is in Switzerland.

Speaker 7 (56:29):
But you said the manufacturer and plants in Switzerland.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
No, I said, the manufacturing facilities are in Minnesota and Monticello,
and their industrial design and technology center is in Burgdorf.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Fortunately. Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Under under Polaris, however, which I think brought them in
like two thousand or something like that.

Speaker 7 (56:52):
Nineteen ninety, that's when they got rid of Indian, I mean,
not Indian Victory.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
No, they didn't get rid of victory until two thousand
and then seventeen I think, oh okay, under Playi's ownership
the investment. Indian Motorcycle has been re established as a
celebrated brand and a major player in the global motorcycle market.
So yeah, if you have one, those are some badass motorcycles.

(57:17):
So anyway, we'll see what happens with that story. Man,
they're gone, they'll be gone. Who is Carlwood LP. That's interesting.
Founded in twenty fourteen, like you said, an independent, multi
eighth state, multi strategy private equity firm based in Los Angeles.
Per the press release boilerplate, the firm's objective is to

(57:39):
acquire a diverse portfolio of assets with significant repositioning potentially.

Speaker 9 (57:45):
More like no, no, no, it's like black right. That's why,
that's why I believe Lavish said what he said. It's
an equity firm.

Speaker 7 (57:53):
If they're not doing good in a season, they gonna
dump them.

Speaker 9 (57:58):
Yeah yeah, And to let you know, equity firm can
collapse a company. Yeah yeah, when you're owned by equity firm,
and the only thing they're looking at is the bottom line, man,
that's all they're looking at. They're not they're not interesting.
And they don't know nothing about building motorcycles. Motorcycle culture

(58:19):
lets some money in their rise of motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yeah, I wonder I hope they got some uh motorcycle
people left, uh motorcycle enthusiasts in the company.

Speaker 9 (58:38):
That's why it'd be interesting with the The senior stockholder
is going to be an equity firm, So what are
they going to do about the senior position That's that's
where that's where you're you're planning your all that comes
in and how the company is going to be ran.
But your season, your your senior positioning, CEO, c f foe,

(59:00):
chief chief designer, marketing and all that equity firm is
going to say, what's the bottom line? You only make
We'll liquidate and it'd be a rap.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Final story, Thug Writers, what's next for fourteen members of
the motorcarc Club accused of federal crimes? October thirteen, A
trial date has been set for members of the Thug
Writers motorcart Club accused of conspiring to commit violent crimes
in Ohio and Kentucky. The gang is scheduled to go
to trial on October twentieth. That's just coming up, man,
just a few days. This date will not be changed
unless there are extraordinary circumstances presented in the written motion,

(59:37):
wrote US Southern District of Ohio Judge Michael Newman. Fourteen
members of the club are facing a combination of racketeering, conspiracy, assault,
and attempted assault charges. As of October thirteen, six members
have pleaded guilty Jared Tyler Peters, Matthew Hawkins, Michael Seth Henry,
Joseph Radar, Justin Baker, and Cody Hughes. Henry was sitting

(59:58):
to thirty months in prison. Raider was in to fifteen
months in prison and a year of probation. Brandon Fisher
had a charge a change of plea hearing schedule for
October seventh, but the outcome of the hearing wasn't available today.
The remaining members face charges. Facing chargers are Juan Roebliss,
Joey Marshall, John Smith, Norman Beach, Daniel Hutton, Michael Reese,

(01:00:21):
and Brent Eagleston. The Thug Writers are accused of participating
in violent crimes in Dayton, Ohio, Hubert Heights, Harrison TWP, Springfield,
Logan County, London, Ohio, and Lexington, Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Damn they've been out there doing that damn thing.

Speaker 9 (01:00:37):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
The Thug Riders were reportedly involved in the deadly shooting
of forty three year old Joseph Nicholson and Harrison TWP
on September twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Sixth, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Also allegedly had shootouts and gunfights with other motorcycle clubs
in Springfield and Lexington. According to the Federal Court records,
members detonated and explosive device in a former members truck
and you were heights. We covered every one of those stories.
In May twenty twenty one, after the former member left
the club without paying the one thousand dollars exit fee

(01:01:14):
and didn't surrender his motorcycle to the club, he was like, man,
f that, I'm not giving you my truck and my car.
Get the hell out of here and my thousand dollars
to leave you, mofos. They blew up his truck. Robless
I helped create the Daton chapter of the Thug Riders
and was Midwest regional boss at the time of the incident.
According to the Attorney's Office, other leaders including Marshall and

(01:01:37):
Eagleston Fisher and Rhees Peters Beach and Smith reportedly also
held leadership roles previously. So they're going after them. They're
going to take them back to court, and that's that's
what's next. They're going to court in about a week. Man,
And those that are that didn't plead. I wonder if

(01:01:58):
the guys who did plead will be facing them as
folks who like are testifying against them or something.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Oh it was a thug writer sighting in my city
a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Exighting are like a they've moved in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
No sighting, just meaning we just seen them. I've seen them.
A couple of people seen them. I mean when we
get stuff like that, man, you know, you just pay attention,
don't know, you know, we want to know what you're
doing here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah, I found that out.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
That is such a different place, Detroit. It is just different, bro,
It is not like anything I've really ever seen. It's
just really really different. Hey, we want you guys to
give us some thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
It's likes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Likes are very easy. They don't cost nothing. We don't
ask for any money or anything. It's just give us
that thumbs up and we would absolutely appreciate it. We
just need a second here for this public service announcement.

Speaker 9 (01:03:12):
Maybe you need to donate some freaking money donate, Maybe
you need to domate, Maybe you need to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Man, I love doing that. It's just so much funny.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Hey, it actually works. I've seen Mike ball yuse of
a thousand times. But anyway, uh district to candidate? Uh sir,
how's the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
How was the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I went? I had to get a cast put on home?

Speaker 10 (01:03:53):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Holy shoot, yeah, man, I had to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
I had to get a cast put on yesterday off
that boot and they said, man, I gotta wear this.
I gotta wear this cast for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Two weeks, two weeks. That's it used to being.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Out two weeks two weeks and then they're gonna put
me back in the boot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Wow. Does it hurt anymore?

Speaker 10 (01:04:21):
You know the thing about it, It don't necessarily it's
a discomfort. Let me say that, more than I hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
It's a discomfort okay, yeah, a big inconvenience. It don't
really hurt. It's just a discomfort for the most part.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
What's up to sit in Australia? Good to see you man,
thanks for tuning in. Uh wow, okay, So how's the
how's the campaign going?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Though? Other than.

Speaker 10 (01:04:53):
Hey, man, listen, it's still going you know, I'm still
gotta I still gotta improvise.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
And you know, do do things.

Speaker 10 (01:04:59):
You know, you know the bad thing about it is, man,
you have to depend on other people. I ain't never
been really a person to depend on nobody but myself.
So I know that I can't get the same The
people are not gonna have the same passion that I
have for something. You might get a couple people that
have helped today if they free man, But you know
I got three it's three weeks from today before the election.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Man, three weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
So are we gonna do the election? Watch here? Or
we're gonna do that. We're gonna do the election.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
That's gonna be boring, man. The results.

Speaker 10 (01:05:34):
The results ain't gonna come in and added to about
maybe ten o'clock, ten eleven o'clock at night.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Okay, so we don't need to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Yeah, No, it ain't gonna be like.

Speaker 10 (01:05:44):
The presidential election where you know they chief flashing at
the bottom and they got the polls on the screen
on the news.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
They ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 10 (01:05:51):
They gonna do that here they might you know, I
think the last election that they did, they didn't even
mention it until like the end of the election, till
after the polls close to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Oh man, maybe we needed to gather up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
And hey man, I'm trying to gather and be out
this cast.

Speaker 10 (01:06:11):
Man two weeks giving me one week without this cast
for election day, and they's telling me, hey man, listen,
you ain't gonna be able to walk around man like
you need to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Because your injury. So I want to have a boot
on and we'll be in my golf cart.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
He wants to do it twenty four hour live on
your election night. Yeah, hey, Kate Black shays, I hope
you win. Then changed her.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Little love profoile her profile picture and stuff. Yeah, long
hair down, running down her back and stuff. Okay, we
see you, k we see you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I'm gonna use this cast for some sympathy votes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:06:53):
Let him know I'm still out here. I'm still here,
limping it off a little scooter and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
What do you got going on, preacher, What do you got?
You just just rode to the thing you just got
on your motorcycle and rod and everything.

Speaker 9 (01:07:07):
And yeah, the only thing we got going on now
getting back out into the streets, going out and serving
the homeless, like we do. I'm gonna turn it up
for the rest of the year. Probably could go out,
try to go out every other week for the rest
of the year.

Speaker 10 (01:07:21):
You have donations, do you have like a donation pool
like here, I don't know what y'all call it, but
we got like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
A gotten harvests, we got gleaners, we got like these different.

Speaker 10 (01:07:34):
Food bank places that donate food to different organizations and
then they push them out to, you know, to the
community like me. I was working with with a guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
In my city, and what do you do.

Speaker 10 (01:07:51):
He'll get it like so much food, and he'll distribute
it out to different people such as myself and others,
and I'll take it back to my car wash or
back to my neighborhood, and I'll push it out and
feed the people that needed or wanted anything from it.
It could be, you know, one week, it might be
some hand sanitizer. Another week, it could be food. It

(01:08:14):
can be vegetables, it can be perishables, it can be
frozen foods.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
You just never know.

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
But every week I think I was doing it. I
think I was doing it on Tuesdays. Every Tuesday, I
was doing something giving out stuff. So I didn't know
if you was doing this out your pocket, or if
you have one of those organizations that was giving you
stuff to feed the community.

Speaker 9 (01:08:35):
But no, we back in the day, we had got
a bad taste for some of them organizations, some of
the people that we were receiving those food, they weren't
doing right with it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:46):
We have a direct connection with a lot of.

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
The homeless shelters here, and then they'll come and tell me,
you know, some of the food that comes to our center,
they'll give us some and then the people will take
it home and not serve them. So we took it
upon ourselves that we're going to serve the food we
gather together. We'll get donations or we just come out
of our pockets and we'll get the food. We either

(01:09:09):
have it catered or we'll cook it ourselves. And we're
beyond boots on ground out there serving the people that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
We you're catering. They get catered food.

Speaker 7 (01:09:20):
Through my organization, Yes, nobody else's, but yes, no.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I mean that's not uncommon. You know, we got we
got kitchens and places.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
That yeah, they do that. You know, these are real
people back dragon, I mean, I mean, why not? These
are people?

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
The main thing that I teach other people that when
you come out, when you come out with with the porch,
come out with love, because I showed them how when
people come out there just throwing them food or just
not really caring about what they serve them, they're not
going to eat it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Uh, I'll I'll stew up some soup.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
I mean, because look at it like this, man.

Speaker 10 (01:10:01):
These people, Man, listen, these people are what you right, Yeah,
some of these people, it's just unfortunately they have situations.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
It's an organization here, people. Everybody that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Every everybody that's doing bad is not doing bad because
they're not trying. Right, everybody is doing bad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:10:27):
You got some people that just screwed up temporarily, man.
And you know, a little gratitude goes a long way.

Speaker 11 (01:10:33):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:10:33):
We got an organization here in Detroit, New Air Detroit.
They go out here and they rent a whole hotel
and they give the homeless people a place to stay,
and they give people resources, you know, and they feeding
And it's not like it's a lot of of these

(01:10:54):
organizations that back up they word, man, But I can
speak for this one particular organization in Detroit Newer Detroit
my guy Zeke man, and they got different.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Chapters.

Speaker 10 (01:11:07):
I don't know if he called the chapters that's in
different areas, man. And they boots to the ground and
they for real out here about helping the community.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Man.

Speaker 10 (01:11:15):
And they're feeding these people. And it's not like they
just doing it out of pity. They're actually giving these
people a chance to feel like humans again. And that
stuff goes a long way, man, because you just never
know why persons down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
You don't know why persons.

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
And also I was just teaching this to a gentleman
at the cigar lounge last Friday. We have adopted a
thing that when we serve it, we're not in the
homeless center. We're out in one of the biggest parts
in the southern half of Dallas is Keith Park. We'll
go to the park Rec Center and we just serve
it everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
And said, well, you.

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
Don't know if these people can go buy food for themselves,
And I said, you don't know if they can because
you can be in the big house, you can have
a nice car and no food in the capitals, Yes
you can.

Speaker 7 (01:12:02):
So so we serve.

Speaker 9 (01:12:04):
The idea is just to go out there and be
of service and like Lavish said, it's not always food.
We'll go out there with sanitary packs, that's what we
call them, and that's all your necessities. Just ox your
tooth brush this year to see that. You know, we'll
go out with whatever we're led to serve. But like Dragon,
we when we serve food one thing at our shout

(01:12:25):
here at the porches, we love and we serve and
we do it porch style. When we go out and serve,
whatever the team comes up with is what we're gonna cook.
If they want to come up with lasagna, we're gonna
cook lazagna. They want to come up with turkey, I
mean chicken breast stuff, breast, chicken breast, we're gonna cook that.
We don't just go out there and just give them
food just to say, Okay, we did our we did

(01:12:48):
our due diligence. No, that's because that's no love. Like
Lavish was saying, these people people go out there and
they serve. I can just I speak on my organization,
but there's a lot of people that do the same,
and then there are other people that I did my
duty this year. I gave somebody a dried up bread
sandwich with cold cheese.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I went out on Thanksgither Day and I went to
the Souper Kitchen Boys.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
And I did my due diligence for the year.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Yeah, it is part you can't don't down doing down?
Then people no, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
No, Are you doing it because you genuinely this is you?
Are you doing it because it makes you feel this.

Speaker 10 (01:13:25):
Because you can donate and you can help people and
still be selfish to a degree. Absolutely doing it because
you're doing it for yourself to make yourself feel good.
You're not doing it because you really care, because you
really want to be out here in the community, because
you're really concerned.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
You're doing it to.

Speaker 10 (01:13:41):
Say, hey, guess what, black dragon. I went out here
Thanksgiving Day from eight to nine or eight to ten.
I served these people and it was cool, it was fun.
And now I'm back home with my family doing my
own thing. And the next time they do it is
the following year. Where you have people that do things
Robs year. They're constantly doing it the Robs year. This

(01:14:02):
is not just a photo op, right.

Speaker 9 (01:14:05):
Right, So that's what we go do this this weekend
and it doesn't matter who comes, who doesn't come. I
have things like next year we're playing our Thanksgiving event
when we serve five hundred, five hundred meals plates of food.
We're gonna do du a location. We're gonna do one
here in Dallas, and we're gonna do it at the
same time up in my home and up in Syracuse,

(01:14:27):
New York.

Speaker 7 (01:14:27):
But I connected with the people are there. If we
can do it the multiple locations, we'll do it the
multiple locations.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
We want to send some love out to Kaywayne, our producer,
and that's been with us so many years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Kaywayne lost his dog last.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Night, man, And I can tell you, as a dog lover, woo,
when you lose your buddy, man, it hurts, hurts, hurts, hurts, hurt.
So I lost Hope, Magna Charity, Wargall, Mighty Dog of Dogs,
the Benevolent Great, Magnificent Conqueror, the lion hearted bunch of
the first conquering Dog of the Tribal, the elect of
God a few years ago, and then we lost Brave
Heart a couple of years ago. So it's just very painful. Kaywayne,

(01:15:09):
We definitely feel your pain on that and send you
our condolences. Also, remember that young man that we had
on the show that shot back at the guy that
ran over the lady on the motorcycle. He was arrested
recently for that shooting where he was a hero. He
turned out to get arrested by the police. He just

(01:15:31):
committed suicide. I'm told, Damn, he had a bad you know.
I feel so bad for this because he's been in
touch with me throughout the whole time he's been in jail,
and I just didn't have I just didn't have the
money to get him out. I didn't know him, and
I didn't have the money get him out of jail.
For some reason, he keyed in on me and he

(01:15:53):
called me from jail many times, and we talked, and
I was hoping that I was telling him good things.
And it was very difficult for him to get out
of jail. His wife left him all kinds of things,
and then he finally got out, and I'm told by
his people they sent me messages to say, we wanted
you to know since since he had definitely made a

(01:16:13):
connection with you, that he's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
And he was such a positive young man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
I always liked him as I was getting to know him,
and I'm just I wish there may have been something
I could have done. But he's gone now from what
I've heard. And I called his numbers just the other
day to make sure, and you know, of course there
was no answer, and I guess he's gone now, so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Damn young man.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
But anyway, after that, I guess that's it for today,
So young man, will let you get up out of
here first.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Hey, Slavishteve Williams. And I'm out of here. Man.

Speaker 10 (01:17:06):
That's all I got, man, I got a broke leg,
I'm lighty here, I got three weeks to go. I
got some studying to do today. And yeah, that's that's
that's that's pretty much it.

Speaker 8 (01:17:16):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Y'all be safe, y'all be careful man, all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Right, yeah, man, be well all right now yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:17:25):
Yo, yo yo. What's up everyone? This is your boy
logic over here. Keep it logical.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Listen, listen.

Speaker 9 (01:17:30):
I know we talked about it just briefly at the
end of the show. If you had never had the
opportunity to go out and serve someone else, and and
and and really want to experience, get out there, get
connected with a nonprofit, get connected with the church, and
go out there and love on someone that watched this
that cannot repay you.

Speaker 7 (01:17:49):
Your heart would be warm. Hey, and when you do it,
get on twoes and go do it, get on.

Speaker 9 (01:17:53):
Threes, getting in your car and go do it and
ride hard, ride safe and always always ride on eight.

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
You'd be logical.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
And it's a boy black dragon. Thank you all for
tuning in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
As always, tomorrow, same bat time, Saint Bat channel will
do this again. Make sure to hit that light button.
The light button is free. Make sure to donate to
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Help us out here, man, we need you man, love
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Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Thanks for tuning in and as always, Hey gets skinny. Hey,
I'm stuck at three ten.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
I don't know why I'm stuck at three ten real
nine three ten. I can't get under I can't get
down in like three h five or something where.

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
I need to be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I'm trying to get back to three hundred man, three
hundred and then you know, to my.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Goal away to two fifty. I'm stuck at this three
h nine three ten business. It's just anyway. Thanks for
tuning in and get skinning.

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