Hell's Lovers Diss Causes Murder!

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Good morning all, actually good afternoon all. Welcome to back
Dragon Biker TV. This is by Dragon Biker News Network
and as always, you like to thank you guys for
tuning in for whatever it is in the world you
happened to be. Forgive me for being late this afternoon.
We had court this morning. Crazy Today Hell's Lovers a

(00:46):
diss a disc to a Hell's Lover's member apparently caused
a murder that hit the papers a couple of days ago,
and we finally were able to get a hold of it.
Today on Black Dragon Backer TV, We're going to cover
a shocking story where a simple act of disrespect towards
the Hell's Lover's motorcycle club turned deadly. According to a

(01:10):
new released Affid David, what began as a motorcycle club
dis escalated into a shooting at an American Legion post,
leaving one person dead and what you talk Kansas this serves.
The story serves as yet another warning about how ego
and emotion can destroy lives and how words exchange and
the wrong place can ignite deadly consequences in the world

(01:33):
of motorcycle clubs. We'll discuss the timeline and the details
of the Hell's Lovers shooting, what the affid David reveals
about the events leading up to the American Legion killing,
and why dissing another club can have deadly consequences in
MC culture and we should know that and you should
keep that in mind, especially when you've been drinking and
stuff like that. And the larger implications for a club diplomacy, leadership,

(01:58):
and accountability, plus more in the headlines, The Gypsy Jokesers
Gypsy Jokers Motorcycle Club leaders a pill for a new trial.
Two organ members serving life for the twenty fifteen kidnapping,
torture and murder I mean a strange brother are asking
the Ninth Circuit Court for a second chance, criminal checking chance,

(02:20):
claiming legal errors and other things. So we'll talk about
why they want another another hearing, another trial. Thug Riders
Motorcycle Club member sentence. So yet another member of those
fourteen guys they arrested just got to sentencing. That bit
of mayhem that they had when they were running around

(02:41):
and doing all those things that they did. And I
tell you guys something, when you're out there doing doing things, bro,
and you feel like you're just tree as a bird man,
they got a whole lot of cameras and people and
witnesses and informants and stuff, and it might take a
year or two, but it's hard to escape. It's hard

(03:02):
to escape what they got in store for y'all. They
be ready for this Mayhem and BS And as you're seeing,
I think, as we can all see the Mayhem and
the BS man, how is it ending up?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
How's it working for you? It ain't working good.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
We're gonna talk about this in a few more things
as we return in a minute and seven seconds. From
this brief introduction, I want to thank you guys for
being with us since twenty sixteen. Hell's Lovers disc causes
murder in a Wichita club of Wichita Forum and we'll

(03:38):
be taking a look at that when we get right
back in a minute seven seconds.

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Motorcycle Club disc of Hell's Lovers MC leads to an
American legion killing, shooting and a killing, and Affid David says,
so when which okay? So for the Black Sabbath Nation,
the Hell's Lovers Wichita chapter is close to us because

(09:26):
we have like a familiar connection over there, way long
time ago, gosh, thirty years ago, now it's long ago
that we lost one of our esteemed vice presidents went
over to the Hell's Lovers there in w Taitah and
so his name was Kid. And you know, Kid is
like a legend in the Black Sabbath Nation, and he

(09:48):
was a full patch member, like when I was a
prospect running around.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
He was always just so cool. So we've always looked
at that chapter with.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Great love and esteem because you know, uh, part of
our roots and heritage over there. So we hate to
see anything negative happen to those folks. When we talk police,
let us also introduce, I'm sorry, let us introduce the
commission the honorable and we're the only motorcycle club and

(10:20):
Protocol channel in the world to have our own honorable
the Police Commissioner, lavish T. Williams, sir, Yeah, I used
to be somebody on the show, and then I went
and got a doctor and a commissioner.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I'm yeah, we neither man.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
I'm just a regular guy.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I'm the only nobody up here. You guys are somebody's.
The show just like has taken a life off of
its own and everything. You guys are so so big
time and everything. My mans are going away, though, I.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Can say slowly but surely not from that video with
the noon checks. I knew this.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I knew this when once Da Belice arrived at a
shooting call at the American Legion Post two seventy three,
they found, unfortunately, Darryl Buckner covered in so much blood
that they believed that he was the gunshot victim. They
recently released AffA David said Daryl had a large amount

(11:21):
of blood on his clothing. The document detailing the October
nine altercation red and I quote the officer asked Daryl
where he was shot, but he hadn't been. The blood
belonged to someone else inside the club. At thirteen thirty
five North, Hydraulic officers found fifty five year old Anthony
Grason suffering from multiple gunshot wounds and not breathing. He

(11:45):
was taken to a hospital, where unfortunately he was pronounced dead.
A second man checked himself into a hospital later seriously
injured from the same shooting. Buckner was taken into custody
at the club and later charged with first degree murder
and aggravated battery. A recently released Affidavid details how a
peaceful evening among friends playing dominoes and watching television ended

(12:11):
gunfire ended in gunfire, leading to the death of Anthony
Big Dub Grayson. Just after seven pm on October ninth,
Grayson and Buckner were playfully teasing each other over bar activities,
something they normally did. The American Legions assistant manager said.
They were joined by their mutual friend, a fifty six

(12:32):
year old man who was playing dominoes, but the conversation
turned sour when Buckner said, f the Hell's Lovers. I
would imagine they said ex expletive. I would imagine he said,
F the Hell's Lovers. Grayson, a member of the Hell's
Lover's Motorcycle Club, then stood and shoved Buckner to the ground.

(12:52):
The assistant manager recalled to police. In the Affidavid, a
short wrestling match took place. The Affidavid read, no punches
were their own. No one appeared injured. After the scuffle,
Acne went back to played dominoes. Mcdaryl well he went outside.
The friend and assistant manager followed Buckner outside as he

(13:12):
looked in the back seat of his black Chevy pickup.
The Affidavid described, Buckner tried to re enter the club,
this time armed with his gun a block twenty two
to forty cow. The assistant manager of the fifty six
year old friend and Gayson and Grayson began to argue
as they tried to keep Buckner from coming inside. As

(13:35):
they scuffled near the doorway, voices rising, The men shoved
and stumbled, one push setting off another light, like Dominoes
the very game they were playing. Then, the Affidavid read,
Buckner pointed the gun at Grayson and fired a shot.
Grayson grabbed Buckner in a bear hug. Afterwards, the affidavid said,
as the friend also reached for the gun. Buckner, the

(14:00):
assistant manager said, kept shooting Grayson As the three fell
to the ground, bang bang bang bang bang. Grayson was
lying on top of Buckner, and the assistant manager finally
took the handgun from him. The friend, who also fell
on the floor during the altercation, was shot in his
shoulder and his hip and an acquaintance drove him to

(14:24):
the hospital where he told police some drunk, crazy guy
shot me. Grayson, meanwhile, was transported to a hospital and unfortunately,
was pronounced dead. He had a total of five gunshot wounds,
most who was upper body. While in police custody, the
Affidavid Red Buckner, made several spontaneous statements, including they tried

(14:50):
toff and kill me, and I don't do expletive but
protect my expletive self. I didn't do probably shit but
protect my f himself. Daryl continued making the statements that
they jumped him and they tried to kill him. The
AFFI David read, he said he did not care about

(15:10):
going to jail for protecting himself. He refused to answer
yes or no questions. The document said when police informed
Buckner that Grayson had died, the after David reads that,
Buckner said, okay, well, well, well that's not my problem.
Buckner is doing court for a preliminary hearing on November seventeenth,

(15:31):
so he's not in jail, or is he in jail.
He's doing court, So he may be in jail. So
he's doing court for a preliminary hearing. He could still
be in custody. But oh, so they took him in custody. Okay,
Oh yeah, they arrested him and charged him with first
degree attempted murder, a first degree murder. It's set up

(15:51):
here recently, they said, first degree murder. They said it
up here somewhere, little five gunshots. Oh, way up here?

Speaker 5 (16:12):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Way up here somewhere? Covered in so much blood? Taken
to the hospital. Yeah, taken into custody. So he was
taken into custody at the club and later charged his
first degree murder and aggravated battery. So he may or
may not still be in jail, where as a man

(16:34):
is lying dead in what you talk. You know Wichita
for me as a second home. I grew up in Wichita, Kansas.
Every summer. I spent every summer there of my childhood,
growing up with my cousins, my first cousins, and my
aunt and uncle and entire family.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
You grew up everywhere.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
I was a military brad. Yeah, I grew up a
lot of places.

Speaker 6 (16:55):
So outside you've been in the military, your your father.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Was thirty five years in the United States Army.

Speaker 7 (17:04):
You know, I had to tell I had to tell
my my kids. Here they was talking about me and
the military brats. I said, y'all not military brats. They said, yes,
we are.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
You was in the military.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
I said, no, no, no, no, no, y'all were born
after I got out the military. You're not a military brat.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I say.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
My first two kids their military brats. They were born
when me and their mother was in the military. Moving around.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
Oh, both of y'all was in the military.

Speaker 7 (17:28):
Me mix wife, Yeah, por tod and.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
I'm just curious. I'm nothing in the military. Y'all were
married while in the military. Yeah, okay, so with you moved,
she moved, So it wasn't no separation.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
Well, well, it depends on how you get married and
your and your duty.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah there's place.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Oh there's places where like if I went to a
certain base and if she had a different skill set
and they don't have that skill set at that base,
they'll try to get you to the same base, but
they need you.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
She's gone.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Oh h yeah, I was just curious.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
Yeah, before we were married, my ex wife was at
a missile base. And and then when she found out
she was pregnant. They had to, uh PCSIR because they
couldn't have no kids.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
At that base. What's PCs protective customers? Move? Move move,
I'm only knowing in the joint and you do PC.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
You know, they just moved her to a to a
different base. And then if you're if you are married
and your wife, your spouse is not a military member.
I had to tell this other guy this, I said,
don't put yourself in in worldwide mobilization. I mean a
worldwide Uh what was that the dream sheet we used

(18:46):
to have? But anyway, there's bases that you can't take
your spouse permanent change of station.

Speaker 8 (18:55):
I mean, if I you know, me being a guy, man,
if I had a chicken in the military, man, I'm
just gonna just I'm gonna have to just throw away
to the military.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
I ain't got a chance.

Speaker 9 (19:04):
What do you mean, she's gonna see me every so often,
She's gonna see all the military dudes every day.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
She's gonna be thrown.

Speaker 7 (19:17):
To the wall if she's in the military.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
Yeah, it's a nice looking military women out there. Man,
you know what I'm saying. And I know the women
got needs too. I'm not even going up in there,
you know, thinking that I don't even have.

Speaker 7 (19:31):
The highest divorce the highest divorce rate. I'm gonna just
canna say the Air Force, I can't talk about another
branch came. When does a storm hit in the Air Force?
At least at our basis was astronomical because guys were
being deployed and they were married to non military spouses

(19:55):
and them ladies went buck wild. Yeah, come back, they
come back, husband, come back.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
The highest tours he did, it was.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
One tour was three months. He did six months. Come back?
Wife is is is pregnant? He's like, wait a minute,
he was a pregany win I left. Yeah, bro, it
was bad.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Man.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
So when I was in the Navy, the highest divorce
rate was among submarine sailors because of the time we put.
Out of all the military, we were the highest because
of the time we put at sea, yeah, underwater.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
When I was a kid, younger, and.

Speaker 8 (20:33):
We had military people, but we didn't have all these
cell phone social media. Man, it was like you didn't
see your people that went off to the military. Man,
Like they almost came back when they went to the graduation.
They didn't come back to the house. They didn't come
back home. You traveled to see.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
Them because they didn't want to come back to get leave.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
The ones that I knew in my area and my
neighborhood didn't want to come back.

Speaker 8 (20:58):
They didn't come back man like. When they came back,
it was like, man, they had already had some years
in and they were not the same person that they.

Speaker 7 (21:10):
I didn't go back. I didn't go back home in
New York that much. You get overseas. I took my
vacations shoot from Greece and went to Italy. You know,
I'm like, or go to Turkey. I'm not. I don't
have to always come. I know New York looked like.
I didn't know what Italy looked like. I didn't know
what Germany or you know, or you know, England looked like.
Sometimes I took my leave and went up there instead
of coming home.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Here.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
So I lived on Second Street. And Uh, my my
aunt's name was was Vance. I'm from the Vance family
there in King Fisher. I know you heard of my aunt.
My house was next door to the church that my
aunt Bernice and my great great grandmother built that church. Uh,

(21:54):
and my great great grandfather was Bishop Vance very well
known there, so I don't know what you're talking about.
Do you remember the theater downtown where we had to
sit up in the balcony to watch movies. Come on, bro,
don't do that. Don't try that, Chris, don't try it.

(22:14):
There was a time during a time when if you
were African American, you were you had to watch the
movies upstairs. Don't play with me. Don't do that. I
don't even understand when somebody play with me like that.
Our family house is now torn down, but the church

(22:35):
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Speaker 7 (23:16):
Uh.

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Channel memberships go to help the channel, and we need
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me on this.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
Hy a before we go to the next story, A
lavish I was at Veterans being yesterday and I met
a old pow from Vietnam Navy pilot. You served with
John McCain and everything. So I came on here to
show them black dragon. I said, if you don't know
who this is, you wasn't really in the navy.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Who the dude that you met?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Hey, I never heard of that.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
He haven't heard of God, this guy is like an
American hero. He's like a legend in the Navy and
all this and old guy, old Navy guy over here,
I don't know who he is.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
I gotta do all these litmus tests with you, like
like you did that thing about my my noonchuck routine yesterday, Like, uh,
that was crazy. That's that's a performance you have to do.
Like what are you talking about? That wasn't a performance,
that was a workout.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
You can't do it. I can't do. But what I
did with those new chunks, Okay, you say, so you
can't any time.

Speaker 7 (24:38):
I'm not gonna argue with you any time.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Any time you are lavish anytime. I didn't think. So
let's move on.

Speaker 7 (24:51):
Uh, Lisa, Lisa, send me an inbox. I actually don't
know what you're talking about. Lissa, Lissa, Lissa Melissa. Would
your church do that random baby form the giveaway? I
can't believe how viral that is. I actually don't know
about that viral tt yes me if you got my

(25:12):
if you viral TikTok gets me on TikTok, send me,
send me a link on Facebook. I mean, yeah, send
me link on Facebook and I take a look at it.
I don't think I saw that one.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Somebody said, uh, did you see Bruce Lee with those
new trucks with the ping punk ball?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
And that's absolutely AI. That's not real.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
Yeah, that's not real.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That would have been crazy if that was real.

Speaker 6 (25:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Anyway, we were very sorry to hear about what happened
with you talk Kansas. I mean, it's a small place,
a small town, and man to hear about that among friends,
when these.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Motorcycles, this motorcycle club stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I mean, I guess there's certain stuff you don't say,
but you know, people y'all got to calm down on this.
I mean, somebody can say F the Hell's Angels, and
then are they expecting, like, you know, five hundred Hell's
angels to come beat you up? Like in certain places
if you say that, that could happen. But you gotta

(26:13):
be like, are you gonna lose your whole freedom for that?
Like I learned that with the N word a long
time ago. It used to be if you dropped the
N word on me and you were not African American
and you used the hard er instead of the A man,
I was ready to lose my whole sense of freedom.

(26:33):
In fact, one of my very dearest friends named Troy
Johnson killed a man right here in Tucker, Georgia, about
three or four blocks from here, for calling him that insult,
shot him dead, shot him in the face with a
twenty two, and then stood over him in his place

(26:54):
of business and finished him.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Off with a forty four. And where's Troy right now?
In prison? Forever and ever and ever?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
There are certain things you just gotta let roll off
your back like water on a duck. And oh, somebody
talked about my club, I mean or something like that.

Speaker 7 (27:14):
Man, what's that old saying that Bernie Max said and
his comedy skit talk about something you go to jail
saying what you jail for nothing? I ain't no pump.
How long you went for ever? He said? He said
he was so long he forgot that four. I ain't
going to jail for something stupid like that.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Now, Black Dragon the Midnight ghost Writer, it's good to
see you on here, man, I haven't seen you in
a while. Black Dragon the Midnight ghost Writer is extremely
good at Noonchuck's. As a matter of fact, I gotta
I'm going to pull up that video and start using
it again. He did a video for me using Nonchuck
so many years ago. Uh and I used to play
that because he said, I black Dragon the Midnight but

(27:59):
ghost or he does these new trucks.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
He comes out hitting a pole like you said, you
got to hit something.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
He's hitting the pole and uh uh And then next
thing you know, he says, I watched Black Dragon Biker News.
It's so cool. I used to play that all the time.
I want to pull that up, find it and play
it again. Uh forty two likes eighty one watching. Please
hit that like button for me, folks, Please hit that
like button. Okay, Uh, you guys talk while I find that.
Remember this story, Lavish, Remember that story. Okay, Uh, next

(28:28):
story today, what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
We're gonna do what we say. The next story was
I've seen a tow truck.

Speaker 6 (28:34):
What was that story about Trump?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
That was you.

Speaker 6 (28:38):
Oh this is on your website.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, this is okay, You're.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
Still need my car? And he got lavish name on it.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Oh my god, this is when Lavish was.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Lavish was on television and uh, he's towing the car
and uh in a suit and tie.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Damn near. I said, this is how you tol car.
We see you on every day. You don't be wearing
this Lavish.

Speaker 8 (29:04):
But man, you know however I am at that time.
You know, the money get to talking, I'll get to run.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
He said, I'm still in this car. The next one
Gypsy Jokers. This was the one Gypsy Jokers organ. So
the Oregon biker gang leader asked Ninth Circuit for a
new murder trial. This was the Gypsy Gypsy Jokers and
what they were asking for two organ motorcycle club members

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serving life sentences for kidnapping, torturing, and murdering an ousted
member asked a Ninth Circuit panel on Friday for another
chance at trial.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Uh, and so, yeah, we need a new trial.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
One of them argued that his brain injury made him
unable to form the intent required for a conviction. Not
that I didn't kill him, but my brain condition didn't
allow me to have the intent that you require to
convict me. Our position is that the defense should have

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been given the opportunity to create reasonable doubt, particularly in
a case where the defendant faces a mandatory life sentence
that the district court said it would have not would
not have imposed had it had a choice, argued Elizabeth
Daily with the Federal Public Defender's Office. So he's got

(30:32):
the public defender arguing hard for him. Actually cool, the
public defender arguing like that for you. Daily represents Chad Erickson,
a member of the Gypsy Joker Outlaw motorcycle club. At
least they didn't say gang here, a group the government
has described as a ruthless and violent gang.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Oh yes, they did say it.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Joining the appeal as Mark Dinnacloud Dinclow, who served as
the president of the club's Portland chapter from two thousand
and three until as the rest in twenty eighteen. That
guy served a long time as the president, and in
twenty fifteen, the body of an estranged club member, mister

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Robert Huggins, was found badly beaten in the fields in
southwest Washington. That's terrible when your own club goes after
you like that. Higgins. Huggins, rather known in the club
as Bagger, was kicked out after he was accused of
stealing from the club and breaking its rules. And that's

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one of the things that will get you hurt. That'll
get your ass whooped, that'll get you killed, stealing from
the club. That's one of the club brothers women, things
like that. The government said Dinklow and other club members
kidnapped Huggins and tortured him for several hours on a
rule property owned by a former club member known as Dagwood.

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Ericson met club members at a gas station and showed
them to the property, where some witnesses testified that he
joined the attack. Prosecutors said the murder was in revenge
for Huggins reportedly tying, tying up and robbing din Klow's
girlfriend at gunpoint earlier in the summer.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Oh I do remember covering that story. So he.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Kidnapped and tied up and robbed the one Club brother's girlfriend.
Both dn Kloll and Erickson were convicted by a jury
in twenty twenty one for charges of murder and kidnapping
connected to racketeering and conspiracy to commit kidnapping and resulting
in death. Din Klow was also convicted for his involvement

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in racketeering conspiracy. Before the Ninth Circuit, Erickson argued that
the lower court wrongly excluded expert testimony about his cognitive
deficit due to a traumatic brain injury he sustained from
an ied explosion he experienced while deployed in Iraq, So
he got blown up from an ID. He suffered TBI

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traumatic brain injury, and this, he says, was part of
his inability to form the intent necessarily to be found
guilty of murder.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
That exclusion and so they excluded that in his trial.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
They wouldn't let him bring that up as a defense.
So his appeal is saying that that exclusion hindered the
jury from considering the theory that he was operating at
a diminished capacity. Daily asserted the jury could take in
that information and it could find that based on that

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information he didn't have knowledge about Huggin's kidnapping, and therefore
when he went to the Arco gas station and led
the others to Dagwoods, he did not intend to facilitate
the kidnapping. Daily argued at trial, and the lawyer that's
why you got to have good lawyers. Man at trial
in the Lower Court, US District Judge Michael well Muslim Mosman,

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a George W. Bush appointee, determined that the relevance of
the psychiatric evidence was minimal at best. But you can't
decide that, man. You've got to put all the stuff
out there, and there was a substantial possibility it would
be misused to mislead or confuse the jury. Well, bro,
you got to have faith in the jury. You can't

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just be like, oh, that's going to mislead them. You
can't present your evidence. So that's what this suppill is about.
But Dally argued that the evidence would show that Erickson's
brain injury prevented him from putting the pieces together as
it were, that Huggins had been violently abducted, and that
he was participating in the crime. And I suppose that's
a fair argument to make if you've got a brain injury.

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The expert testimony would have supported a reasonable jury in
thinking that mister Erikson's brain did not reach those same
deductions inferences.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Daily said.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
As for Dinklal, attorney Laurie Grasser argued that he wasn't
the one who conceived of the torch plan or issued
the fatal blow to Huggins. Gracier said that phil On,
a member of an associated club. Tyler Priverer now a
sadistic individual whose history of extreme violence wasn't permitted to

(35:15):
be probe by the defense at trial. Well, they just
limited the hell out of these people. Now agreed to
cooperate with the government. Of course, so he agreed to
cooperate with the government, but they won't allow the defense
to probe his very violent background. This sounds like a
setup to me. Priverer now agreed to cooperate with the government,

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allowing him to plead guilty to a single count of
recal conspiracy. He was sentenced to more than eleven years
in prison in twenty twenty two, but he did not
get the big old lifetime in prison for participating in
the murder because he turned state's evidence. The jury could
have come off with a false impression that he did
an excellent job in the military and everything was fine

(35:57):
until he got involved with the Gypsy Jokers and then
came this violent Satis Chrysler said, and that is misleading.
She also argued that describing the club as a gang
prejudiced the defendants. Yes, that's a good argument as well,
but the government sees it differently. First, it argued that
Mossman properly rejected Erickson's bid to include expert testimony.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
That's the judge.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
This isn't a fraud case about some little detail in
one hundred page document from three years ago, said just
the department son Sengita Rau. Erickson knew the victim Huggins.
Ral said Erickson had a history with Huggins and had
beaten him up the year prior. Plus he knew that

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the club was on the hunt for Huggins. His memory
problems didn't prevent him from knowing what was going on.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Ral said.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
She likewise rejected the notion that the situation was too
fast paced for Erickson to keep up with, arguing that
it had been building from months and the actual violence
took place over hours. He knew about the violent gang,
ethos or disrespect of any kind, on any kind. You
get beat up when you're a gypsy joker, Rale said.

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Erickson argued that the jury's deliberation, which took four days,
and the questions the jury submitted to the court about
when one must decide to join a conspiracy allow the
court to infer that the jury was considering Rickson's mental state.
US District Judge Millan Smith A.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
George W.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Bush ap Pointe noted that there was a significant amount
of testimony implicating Erickson. This was a brutal, horrible, nasty
thing based upon the nature of this gang, Smith said,
how do you get around the overwhelming evidence aspect of this, Well,
your honor, it was a club, not a gang. Daily responded,

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and I would say I don't want to join this club.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Let me just say, Smith retorted.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Daley argued that the witness testimony didn't cooperate that Erickson
had participated in the torture. I think there are serious
reasons why the jury might have reasonable doubt, which is
all that's required here. Reasonable doubt, Daily said. The Ninth
Circuit panel, which also included Barack Obama appointed US Circuit

(38:23):
Judge Jacqueline When and US Circuit Judge Holly Thomason, a
Joe Biden appointee, did not indicate when it would rule.
So that's what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
It is true that he was killed, and nobody is
saying that they weren't there. Nobody's saying that they didn't participate.
They're just saying I wasn't the one that murdered them.
And the other guy says I couldn't have formed the
proper intent to kill him to be found guilty of
killing him. So anything, Lavish is not stealing the car.
He is borrowing it and forgot where he got it from.

(39:03):
I think Lavish knows because they become and wanting the
car back and oh boy, be like, I need to listen, Lavish,
How the hell do you get your car when you
tell somebody you got to have the registration? How do
I get my damn registration If I don't have my
car and if I don't have the money to get registration.
What happens if I need my registration to get my car,

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but I don't have the money to get my registration.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
You need some type of proof ownership.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Oh that's it. You don't have to have the registration.

Speaker 8 (39:33):
You know you have your title, you know, a valid
valid registration. Sometimes you know some people have it in
a car. It depends on the impound yard, the person
that you deal with. Sometimes they'll send somebody out to
get it. Sometimes they'll charge you to go.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Out and get it.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
And which one do you do? And sure toyo me.

Speaker 6 (39:55):
I'm really just about the money, man. Listen.

Speaker 8 (39:57):
I'm trying to make it as easy and convened as
as you can make it, as I can make it.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Whatever you need to do. I'm here. I just want
to get paid for the job. That's That's just me.
You have other empile yards. They want to give everybody
a hard time. I don't. I don't want to give
you a hard time. After I got your car. My
job is done. I got your car. I just want
to get the money. That's it. Pay me and it's
all good. You got.

Speaker 8 (40:21):
Some people want to give everybody a hard time, harass,
so make them go through hoops and hurdles for you know,
the smallest thing. Listen, if you can prove it is
your car and you're telling me that, hey man, paperworkers
in the car, Listen, where is that man? As a
matter of fact, come back here and I'll let you
go get it. That's all you can get. I just

(40:44):
want you to come and go.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
That's all my personal belongings out. I need my weapons,
I need my money I have in there. I need
all my stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (40:54):
Well, now when you start going through all that, a
lot of inpoining yards don't want you to do that
because you get people that come in there, they get
everything out of.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
The car and ditch the car. Yeah, they abandoned the car.

Speaker 8 (41:06):
No, No, because now you're making it more paperwork. You
got more paperwork we gotta do. Now we got to
go through all this processed stuff where if you want
to dip dump the car, we don't have a problem
with it.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
But let us know and sign over the title. That
eliminates a lot of the extra stuff that we have
to do. Sign over the title and.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Get the car. Man, it's not gonna be good for
nobody in here.

Speaker 8 (41:31):
Well, it ain't never been. It ain't never worked out
great for the customer. You know, at all any of
these empile yards. I don't watch them. They never worked
out for the customers, man, not when it came down
to that. You know, you got the shop guys in
the back, they coming around, and you got the people
from the counter.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
You know you're going to be pretty outnumbered.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
So you got to show up with your boys. And
you never had nobody show up with they boys.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
You know, because you got some in pint yards. They
only talk to the person who is the readist.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
They got it, man, They got everything, the glass everything,
they got you. They got you, bro. I'm just gonna
wait for one of y'all suckers to pull out and
catch y' all out there.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
In them streets. Bro.

Speaker 6 (42:13):
I mean you can catch them.

Speaker 8 (42:14):
But you know, these tow truck drivers, they they are
arms and they ready. They're looking for a reason, they
doing their job.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
You came harassing me.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
All right, young man, you say you're ready, you're ready
for what's going on out there.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Somebody says the paychecks the judge, prosecutor, and defender all
bear the same senature. The public defender works for the
same bunch that's trying to jack you up. And they
can't be trusted. Well they if you broke, that's all you.
That's all you got broke. You ain't got nobody to
trust but them, and hope to god they can. I

(42:52):
don't even know if you can fire them, I want
a different one. We got a few guys that public defender.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah you can. Yeah, what do you do if you
fire another public defender? Really lavish? You said, well, now
can you fire the public defender?

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (43:11):
I mean you you have the right to fire the
public defender and hire your own lawyer. There if you
can't afford one, one will be appointed to you.

Speaker 6 (43:21):
You don't have to.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah. One will be appointed to you.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
Yeah. One will be appointed to you.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah. One if you don't like him.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
And it depends on the.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
Case, man, I mean, it's so many different loopholes and
tricks and trades of a public defender versus a paid lawyer.
I just had a guy I was on the phone
with two days ago and we're talking about a FED case,
and you know, he's like, you know, I'm not worried
about getting a lawyer right now, And I said you not, Like, no,
if the Feds want me, they got to prove that

(43:54):
they want me. And I'm like, you know, I'm going
more into depth with I was saying too much bout him,
per se. But he said, no, I'm not going to
spend no money on a lawyer, right now because I'm
going to be spending money on a lawyer that's going
to charge me to do all of this.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
Reading and all this paperwork. If they really got something
on me, I'm going to let the public defender let
me know what they have on me. Then I go
to my lawyer. So I'm not spending all this unnecessary
money with my lawyer to do all this stuff.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
If they got something on me, they got something on me,
and then I'm going to find out what it is.
But until they have something on me, I'm not gonna
even bother with my lawyer.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I said, oh wow, wow.

Speaker 8 (44:35):
Yeah, I mean you listen, you know, and these guys
they know how to navigate me. I don't live that
stuff no more. I don't even want to be in
that I don't want to have that conversation about man
lawyer unless it's about business.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
I don't even have a conversation with me.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Wow. Of this last story, Oh hold on, before.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
You jump to you're talking about moving forward to a
new story.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
No, I'm talking about the one that just we're just
talking about. Somebody had said that they remembered the amount
that he was accused of stealing. I think ghost Eagle said.
The amount he remembered them stealing was twenty thousand dollars
if I remember right, it was a lot of money,
ghost Ego said, Ghostigo said, if I remember, it was

(45:21):
almost twenty k that was stolen. So that's kind of
what led to the very negative stuff. He went to
a club brother's house allegedly and tied up his woman
and stole his money and all that stuff. It was ugly,
and he paid for that, allegedly with his life.

Speaker 6 (45:41):
So here's a question that I got to ask in this.

Speaker 8 (45:45):
It might sound funny the action, because I just don't
know you pronounced that state organ.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That's how I pronounced it Organ.

Speaker 8 (45:57):
I just and I'm listening to you because, oh you know,
it was always told to me Oregon, and I just
wanted to make sure that it wasn't just talking wrong.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I've heard here, Oh you heard it both, Okay, I
heard Oregon and orgon Okay, from where I'm from, they
say Oregon. Uh, but I've also heard it pronounced Oregon.
So let's go uh to the dictionary. Look, you know what,
you were not the first to look this up, So uh,

(46:31):
Oregon pronunciation Oregon Oregon. I don't know let's see. Look
at that.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
It's orgon. There is no it's organ Oregon.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
Hit the hit the mic.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I mean, do you want to see it first? Okay,
here we go action.

Speaker 8 (46:48):
Oregon.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
I was right. I was right. Well it wasn't.

Speaker 10 (46:57):
It wasn't a right or wrong, just a question because
over here we always heard it as Oregon.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Well, here's how they pronounce.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
It, Oregon, Oregon. Yeah, Oregon.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
There you go, Oregon, and then we'll.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Do it fast.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
Oregon Oregon.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
That's how I always heard it. That's how I always
heard it in my life. M hm, well, preacher, I
got one.

Speaker 6 (47:35):
I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
I got one?

Speaker 6 (47:39):
Who you got going on? And that's what I'm trying
to figure out.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
Because I had a word. I don't.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Fair about you haters that that doesn't count.

Speaker 11 (47:52):
You go to two different places, you go to the
you go to the East coast versus the West coast,
and you know, you can take one word and you
got two different people pronounced the same word a different way.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I just want to know, but I have I've heard
it pronounced both ways. Yes, anyway, next story. Can we
go to the next story? Now?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
One right? Hat on that?

Speaker 7 (48:17):
Look, look he won a competition that he was the
only one in right.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I didn't know we were racing the famous I didn't
know we were racing. Uh, here we go thug Riders
that man, them fourteen guys are they're going away one
at a time, man, but they are.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
They're putting them down.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Bro, this is going on, those guys that were up
in Ohio doing all the things that they were accused
of doing. Each like, nobody is getting out of being sentenced.
So here's yet another one in Dayton, Ohio. Another member
of the local motorcycle gang they say the Thug Rider's
Motorcycle Club, has learned his sentence.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
On Wednesday, October twenty ninth.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Matthew Hawkins Hawk has been sentenced to three years in
prison for his involvement with the motorcycle club FACES, which
faces allegations including murder, arson, assault, and extortion. He pled
guilty the two charges back in April, assault with a
deadly weapon and serious bodily injured injury. Hawkins is one
of fourteen men who were arrested on June in twenty

(49:25):
twenty four and is the thirty three sentence. Earlier this year,
Michael Seth Henry, they called brutal and from Ginya was
sentence to twenty half years, and josephin Rader they called
Delta from Richmond, Kentucky was sent us to fifteen months.
And then there's all these other guys that have also
pleaded guilty one, two, three, four of those guys thirty

(49:46):
two to twenty eight, twenty nine, and thirty seven all
young guys. The other members facing charges in the United
States of America versus Robbels are at al R and
at al I think means like in company or something.
So they're this guy twenty six, this guy thirty six,
forty four, thirty seven, forty five, and forty nine, a

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guy they call Storm, and Norman. There's one the Man,
Chaos King, Joe be Easy and Roadrunner. So stay tuned
to find out more about those guys. But they are
dismantling that crew piece by piece, person by person. And
that's what's going on in your local news today. Hey,

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Speaker 7 (51:24):
I think he wants to say something.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
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Speaker 6 (51:28):
I'm just asking what you're doing yet with your little
playing with your buttons?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
M hm, yes, you just man, because that raggedy studio
over there doesn't have any buttons.

Speaker 6 (51:42):
So hey, I'll find with it.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Mm hm. You know you got Steve Klein laughing. I
don't know why you do what. I don't know why
what you say? What I said, Steve Klein is laughing,
I don't know why. Do you know why? Preacher? Okay?
Well that I mean that's all I have. You guys

(52:10):
got anything, No.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
I ain't got nothing.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Man.

Speaker 8 (52:16):
You know, one of my first things I'm gonna do,
man at the top of the year. Man, I'm gonna
have to get this M and P fifteen ar pistol.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Man.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
I know that's pretty random.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
Yeah, I didn't have my eye. I didn't have my
eye on it for about it about a year and
a half. I think I'm gonna go ahead and execute
and get it.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I can't want more than like maybe a thousand dollars
for it.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
It's at nine sixteen.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, man, dollars.

Speaker 7 (52:54):
You can get your own.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
Yeah, that's what I've been hearing.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Man.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
You know, I'm not into it like that, but out
of the one that out and touched, I just like
the way that that one felt.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
You can build your own pretty pretty cheap prob Yeah.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
I mean, I mean the guys that's out that I'm around,
you know, they into it a little bit deeper. Oh man,
I got this new trigger. Oh I have bought this
do and swapped off this brace and they changed my spring,
and I took this scope off and I put.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
This one on.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
And I talked to my because both my both of
my other members of my ministry, they both train teach
people and guns on my essay has its own security company.
We were talking about grades greens of bullets. They said,
I like how they do.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Man.

Speaker 7 (53:39):
It's like, do you think if you ever had to
actually shoot somebody with your handgun and they're gonna say,
oh man, you shot me.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
With one hundred and forty seven gray, will it instead
of one hundred and fifty grades twenty four?

Speaker 8 (53:53):
I said, they be having those conversations too, man, about
the grades.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Man, I don't use Uh you using.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
Range if you're not gonna be able to be in
a sniper uh, and you're doing it for self defense
up close and personal. It doesn't matter as long as
it they don't explode in your hands.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
You ask the right person. Oh, it mattered because I
don't got people tell oh, man, you buy those cheap bullets. Man,
I mean, oh man, you got to get the right ones.
That ain't it?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Man, I don't use range bullets out of the range
all that.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
Yeah, I got something to tell you, uh, Lavish something
I found out my essay.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Sent it to me.

Speaker 7 (54:36):
He don't. He don't ride a Harley, but he sent
me this video about you know what the cush drive is. No, okay,
cush drive is things that it's It's a sponge like
thing that goes on your back wheel.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
Of Oh yeah, yeah yeah when you take off the hub.

Speaker 7 (54:56):
He said, And he says, I watched it. He sent
me a video he said on the guy in the
video saying Harley, you know, Harley likes to put some
of them cheap parts on it. He said this thing,
he said, sometimes we go change people back tires out
and this thing is all ripped up and this, that
and the other, and they were just selling this company
was just selling thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
Yeah, I've seen that. So what happened? I had a bike.

Speaker 8 (55:19):
I had a bike, and I couldn't figure out why
I got this wobble. And I'm like, man, I didn't
changed everything. I put the little stabilizer borrow on the
from the frame to the transmission.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
I changed this. I changed that.

Speaker 8 (55:34):
I changed everything on that bike that had to do
with anything that could possibly cause a while. Well, the
last time I went to go change my tire and
got the wobble out, it was because I changed that
little rubber thing that goes inside between you know, in
the wheel. I changed that, and I didn't have a

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wobble anymore.

Speaker 6 (55:58):
The guys got to know the.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Ass motorcycle needs. I could try to absorb the vibration
from the engine that's going to the the the.

Speaker 7 (56:12):
Like I'm pretty sure you're I'm pretty sure your motorcycle
got something to that effect. No, we don't.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
We don't have.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
Raggedy he doesn't know. But I noticed some of the
people that got the create s free one that replaced it,
they said that motorcycle it rode kind of rough.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
Rough when they got when they got the new one
in there.

Speaker 8 (56:33):
Yeah, I don't know the truth because these are now,
these are the people that ride like, pay attention to everything,
the proper adjustments.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
These are the highway riders.

Speaker 8 (56:42):
That's oh man, I got these legends springs and socks
and stuff. So I just put the stock stuff back
on there, and I didn't have a problem. I didn't
have a problem with it. But yeah, I know exactly
what you're talking about.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
Yeah, I just saw that, and I haven't of course
I haven't looked at mine, so because I wasn't around
when they changed the back time.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Bro, Well, I guess you got to have something to
spend money on. You know, it's t test for one
hundred dollars, everything is under better.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
Yeah, thing on the cold about forty.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
In a boat stands will breakout another thousand.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Anyway, Hey, let's get you guys out of here. Thank
you guys for coming on this afternoon with me. I
know you were both busy, and thank you for taking
the time out to be on the show. I really
appreciate both of you more than you know. All right, commission,
all right man, and uh yeah, okay, loungic cool. I'm
good man, all right, commission, you're out, honorable.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
What is it? A wonderful.

Speaker 6 (57:50):
Yeah? Man, I changed that last week, said what you
pay attention man? You don't pay attention to it's lavish
like that.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Man.

Speaker 6 (57:59):
But listen, man, y'all be easy out there. Take care man,
you know, just take care. I'm gonna take care over here.

Speaker 8 (58:08):
Oh listen, let me tell you this, like dragon, last night,
I got a call. Somebody must have tipped somebody off, man,
somebody must have told them that I was on I
was on the pro. I get a I get a
phone call last night.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
I say, lavish. They say, yeah, man, I see it.
It's parked out here.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Man.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
I say, all right, anything in the front, anything in
the back. They're like, no, it's it's it's ready, it's ready.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
I'm like, all right, I'm on my way.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
And he took some nice car.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
No, no, no, I didn't.

Speaker 8 (58:38):
So I said, hold on, hold on, hold on, where
is it at? That's what That's what I asked. That's
what I asked early on. And they said, well, here's
the thing. Because I was wondering why they didn't, why
they didn't just go get it.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
He said, Well, isn't it's in.

Speaker 8 (58:56):
The projects though, I'm like, hold on, man, this is
in the projects.

Speaker 6 (59:04):
So they say, I say, so, is it in the
projects it's sitting or what. They're like, No, they drive
it like every day. They drive it. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (59:12):
I'm like, oh, man, so I gotta go into projects
at night, and it's a car that they drive. It's
a vehicle they drive every day. So I'm like, okay, well,
let me see. I got a car that I'm building
over here. I got I need all the money that
I can get. So I get over there. I slide
through the back way. Hey, I'm coming around, and I
look and they got that vehicle blocked in real good.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
I got like, man, it wasn't like that last night. Man,
it wasn't like that. I'm telling you it was. It
was available.

Speaker 8 (59:42):
And then earlier when I came by, I seen him
was like, yeah, it's gonna be a quick one.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
I'm like, no, they got somebody must do. The way
they had these cars angled and blocked up in this project. Man,
they had it.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
Where if I got to the front, I couldn't even
move up to bag it out.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
Other projects.

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
They got it where if I moved forward, it's a
gate right there, so I can't go over the grass.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
Got it if I go over to the left and
cut real hard.

Speaker 8 (01:00:15):
They got a car cocked and then in front on
the other side of the car, they got a big
center of one of those one of those three four
foot concrete blocks right there. I said, all I could
do is laugh at it. I said, oh, yeah, they
knew somebody was coming. I said, what, what the problem was?

(01:00:36):
They knew that you and y'all people ain't gonna come
out there. Yes, pretty must have told him, Yeah, they
gonna send They gonna send this other guy out.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
Because that's what happens. They say, yeah, we got We're
gonna send this other guy out. I don't always be
the other guy. I'm always the other guy.

Speaker 8 (01:00:57):
Because I look at it as I gotta get it
because I got ship to do, I got bills to pay,
I need the money, So whatever happens, Hey, I'm going in.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
I thought that was funny that they had it.

Speaker 8 (01:01:11):
They had a block many they made sure I wasn't
able to get it. No, I'll definitely be back. You know,
I don't have to get it at the house. I mean,
I can get it while they go into a gas station.
I don't really need a lot of time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I haven't see these videos lately that people trying to
drive their car off of the thing once it's in
the air.

Speaker 8 (01:01:34):
Yeah, they be trying to do that. I mean I
see it on the internet, man, I mean I see
people like Detroit. They want their car, but they ain't
about to fuck they car of either. They ain't about
to try to drive off rip they bumper.

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Off. But I'm not giving them that kind of time either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
So I saw a guy jumping in the back of
it while the truck was pulling off man and he
just oh boy, was stanching through the street and he
was reversing it, and it just looked horrible like they
was tearing up everything the tow truck and they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Were slamming in the cars on the way down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
It was just like it was horrible. Who's got to
pay for that? If you, uh, if you knock out
three or four cars, who pays for that?

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
Labbish Well, I'm not knocking out any cars, but I
guess it's gonna become it's gonna Hopefully you got it
on camera you got a dash cab me in. But
you know, the people are gonna have to pay for it,
even though they're gonna try to blame it on the
toe company and go after the toe company's insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah, Someone asked, did you train with someone? How'd you
learn how to do uh your toe stuff? You must
have trained with somebody for a while.

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
Well, that's like kind of a two part question. I
was involved in a lot of stuff, and a lot
of stuff I was self taught.

Speaker 6 (01:02:57):
I had to figured it all out.

Speaker 8 (01:02:59):
And then when I properly learned the proper way of
doing actually towing, I had a guy and it was
it was real cool, man, because when I when I
was doing it the improper way, you know, that was
fine because it was about, you know, just doing it
the improper way. And then when I had somebody show

(01:03:21):
me the proper way. Man, it was a guy and
I had to you know, I had the trucks. I
had the trucks. I have my own trucks. And I
told I told a company that I didn't know I
needed a job. I needed a job.

Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
I didn't know how to tow a car under that
kind of crap.

Speaker 8 (01:03:37):
Bloh blah, blah, which I wasn't that great at torn
but I had the money to finance my trucks, to
have my you know, have my trucks.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
And the guy taught me, man, how to tow recovery toes.
And he was a clean He was a clean guy
who didn't like to get dirty.

Speaker 8 (01:03:57):
So we actually took the time out to show me
how to toe certain cars and how do you know,
have a you know, have a certain auror a boyut yourself, like,
you know, you ain't got to be out here getting
all dirty and looking like these other guys are dirty
and stuff. Man, And I just took what he told
me and I added on to it and you know,

(01:04:19):
made it look even cooler. Well, yeah, I had a
guy who kind of show cars look cool. Oh yeah,
you can make it look cool, man, You can. You
can make it look cool.

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
It makes a difference.

Speaker 8 (01:04:29):
You see a guy out there looking like a grease monkey,
laying all on the ground and all that kind of stuff,
people watching, and then you get a guy come up,
clean clothes, clean truck.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
He doesn't get dirty. That's because you know the cars.
You can study the cars.

Speaker 8 (01:04:41):
You know, hey, this car gets hooked up here all
you gotta do is sit right here. You don't have
to look. You know exactly where everything is at.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
So clean this right here, you know that's about as
clean as it goods. Whatever's clean as a all for
right here.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
Because you don't have to get you don't have to
get dirty, tome man. I mean, especially doing the kind
of stuff I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Even the truck looks good.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
I got a car wash man. That gotta be clear,
you know, And I mean you know you got like
like me, I'll drive a record man. You know you're
a record driver.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
Man.

Speaker 8 (01:05:20):
You you know flat beer drivers are cool, but you
know record drivers. You know we talk about flat beer drivers.
I drive them both. But you got more, uh, you
got more jokes on the on the flat beer driver,
especially if you're driving heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Well, we appreciate you, man, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Larrus Williams Commissioner LARRAISHT Williams soon to be done.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
Met them heartless repo guys. I met some guys that
will come up knock on your door and say, hey,
I'm so and so and so and so I got
an order to repoll your car. I know this is
an inconvenience which you I was like dang. Well, he
a nice man, Okay, just.

Speaker 8 (01:06:04):
Yeah, because at that point, at that point, he's really
just trying to get the key from you.

Speaker 7 (01:06:08):
Man. That makes exactly and that's what and that's what
he asked. He said, he said that'd be It wasn't
my card, but he said, if you're going to get
the car back, it'd be best to give us the
key because they gotta charge you. Forgot how much he said,
they gotta charge you x amount more money if you
don't give the key.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
No, that's just that's just they just want to keep
make the job easy.

Speaker 7 (01:06:33):
I mean, that's what he said. I'm just a lot
of stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:06:38):
I said, a lot of stuff. I just need the
car with less issues and problems. You already got he
already in the driveway in front of the house. He
already got the car hooked up. You had to disadvantage.

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
What can you do? All he can do is know
the fire. Let you know, hey man, your car ain't stolen.
I got the car. Here's your paperwork right here, order repossession.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Run out there and jump in your car.

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
And here in Texas, if if they on your property,
you can make them drop the car. They can't come
on your property, if it's on public if it's on
public streets. They yeah, but they cannot they're not allowed
to come on you, the cops. The cops gonna make
them drop your car.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
They're not supposed to. But who's going to stop you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
The police? But they don't.

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
They got they gotta get there, That's what I'm saying.
Who's going to stop you?

Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
You got to get there. I'm not trying to talk.
I don't care about your key, I got your car.
I'm out, Unlet's it's some work I gotta do.

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
That happened, Well, no, let me let me, let me
go back. Hold on, let me go back and reiterate
on that statement. It's up to the officer's discretion if
they make you drop the car or not. Sometimes the
officers say, hey, it ain't nothing we can do. That's
a civil that's a civil thing, and they don't want

(01:07:54):
to get involved with that crack.

Speaker 7 (01:07:56):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
Sometimes the officer, depending on the situation and the toe guy,
you know, being an asshole, the cop might tell that
you know, a dropped the car, But most of the
time that that you got the car hooked up, you
got this report order right here. What the hell you
doing there that long for the police to come anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:08:18):
Well, I'm telling you we we came out this this
this toll was at the church. The church let out
this tow truck driver was coming there. They're on the
church property. They got they already had the car up
the church. People surrounded the truck. Now we the people
just got the truck out the church. They surrounded the truck. Said,
y'all ain't going nowhere with this car. Blah blah blah.

(01:08:39):
Cops were called me in the hood. Cops came.

Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
I had that happen, and I kept driving through the people. Listen, man,
I ain't got time for all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
Y'all trying to be.

Speaker 7 (01:08:53):
Over bro. The police came and told them, like you said,
it's a civil thing. He said, but you are on
private property.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
I've seen tow truck drivers a thousand times. I ain't
never seen one drop the car back down just because
somebody said, I to tell you.

Speaker 7 (01:09:14):
What I saw. I'm not up there. I'm not in Georgia,
I'm not in Detroit.

Speaker 8 (01:09:19):
No, I've seen I've seen stuff. I've seen that happen
a couple of times. But the tow driver just didn't
stand on on business. I have seen it because I
have sat back like you did.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
What.

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
Oh no, you know, I ain't even do all that,
So I have seen it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
You got like like the casino, Like when I go
when I go to the casinos, or when I go
to like the plants, the Big Lay.

Speaker 6 (01:09:42):
When I go in there, the security they beat on
you quickly.

Speaker 8 (01:09:47):
They beat because they not they don't want you to
tow off of their property. You know, they're trying to protect.
So when you going to certain places, you really just
gotta be fast.

Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:09:58):
You gotta know where the hell you going, where the
car at. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
If you a good guy, if you're a good person
that you like your craft, you're probably just gonna walk
up there to the car.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
You're gonna walk up.

Speaker 8 (01:10:09):
There to the car, and then you're gonna walk back
knowing what you're gonna do in your movement, and you're
gonna zoom in.

Speaker 6 (01:10:17):
Left that down grabbing the take off.

Speaker 7 (01:10:20):
Man, I'm gonna see when you talking about fast, I
don't see him. I don't see him. Unfortunately, my son
is Unfortunately, my son got his taking out of the
driveway I went, I went for cardial walk, came back.
My son said, Daddy, you got my car. Now, how
would I have your car?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:10:37):
Why would I have your car? I said, you need
to call the police.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Man.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
See if I said you call the police, they'll let
you know if somebody stole it. Or I said, did
you pay your bill?

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
Man?

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
If you pay your bill, I can tell you where
your car.

Speaker 8 (01:10:51):
That'd be the thing. And then now you got the
license plate readers. Man, you can have your car. You
could be in California, New York, Jersey, it don't matter.

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
You can on vacation. And you got these license plate
readers that scan that plate once they get so they.

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
Can get it anywhere like that. Yeah, oh wow, change.

Speaker 6 (01:11:10):
They don't just rap past your house like they used to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
No more.

Speaker 7 (01:11:13):
It's a waste all the black dragon they got like them,
like them flop cameras, you know, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
Mean it's almost like that. It's just mobile. Man. You
see these little k cars riding through apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Like, don't you do you get paid for Like there's
a person who find the car and tell you where
it is. Don't they get paid? Like you could buy
one of those and just drive around the city.

Speaker 6 (01:11:34):
Well no, no, no, you can't buy one. You can't
buy any invest the case. Anybody can do it. No,
you have to have a special license to buy to
buy what it's license plate.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Reader reader and put them four things up on your
car and just drive around the city. And then when
your car reports a car, you get paid something.

Speaker 8 (01:11:55):
Don't you Let me let me ask you two things.
Let me say two things on what you just asked. Well,
like dragon, let me see you go buy one for
one and then let me know how that works out.
And then too, if you have one that you done bought,
tell me how are you going to have a programmed
to a system?

Speaker 6 (01:12:11):
Let me ask you that.

Speaker 8 (01:12:12):
I just want to know how what system are you're
going to be uh you know, plugged into or you know,
connected with? So back to what I truck companies can
have those, No, you got so that's almost borderline private
investigators stuff, you know, legal legal terms. You almost it's
almost it's private like a private investigation stuff. Man, that's

(01:12:35):
you know, the the verbage on it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
You know what I got it?

Speaker 6 (01:12:39):
You got to be licensed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Here you go right here, don't don't don't play with me.
Go ahead, you can, Yes, you can, okay. Question can you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Buy a license bled reader to find wanted cars? Answer?

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Yes, you can buy a license plate reader cameras for
private use, but they do not have direct access to
law enforcement databases for finding one the cars.

Speaker 7 (01:13:01):
That was the second question.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
That last you're giddy and you can't get it up
to a system.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
But they primarily write evidence and data for your own
records or to share with law enforcement for investigations. However,
there are companies that sell these cameras like Flock Safety
is the Flock that allow you to share data with
local law enforcement who can then use their official databases
to identify wanted vehicles.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
So there's a way to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:28):
So you won't get the information, so you still won't
know if you just.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
Got some You just got some cameras that you can't
do ship with, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:37):
So back to what I was saying, Man, you know
you can go to any state nowadays, man, and you
have these companies that ride around with their spotters. Man,
and when they get it hit in some of the
trucks itself got to got the systems on the truck. Man,
So you can ride through a grocery store, parking lot, whatever,
you can get a hit on that. You can leave

(01:13:58):
out the parking lot, send over the you know, the information,
wait on you to get a response back, and you
go pick that car.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
I don't even know where these things are. Somebody is
telling your company where to go get the car.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
That's that's not man.

Speaker 6 (01:14:14):
You don't listen, man, I just said that they ride
around you. I don't know if you'd be listening what
you got. You got your headphones on. You got spotters
that drive around in these little cake cars. I said that.
I said that, all righty, I don't know what you
don't be hearing. They ride around.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Do they have license plate readers? Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:14:35):
How else do they know that shape? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
So how do you get in on that?

Speaker 6 (01:14:41):
How do who get in on it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
How does how do I get in that business?

Speaker 6 (01:14:44):
You don't you lead that to the professionals I want.
I mean, probably couldn't even afford the insurance that it
costs me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
And they're somebody can afford it. They're affording it. There's
got to be a way to get into the license
plate reader business.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
If that's the way, man, everybody will be doing it. Man,
I'm trying to tell you, how do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
You get into the license plate reader business man, somebody
just fired two bullets outside. I heard it, dogs, I
heard it. No, don't go out there. Let's look at
the camera first. Hell no, y'all come back from that door.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Roll man.

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
We've been on here an hour and fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Everybody's doing business as usual out there. Nobody seems worried.
Uh yeah, okay, Well, how do you get into the
license plate reader business?

Speaker 6 (01:15:52):
You become a private investigator. I'm magnum p I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
You're right, private security, right?

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
I mean I do that. This is part of my job.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Listen, man, I would not be.

Speaker 7 (01:16:12):
Right, y'all. This is your boy logic. Keep logical.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Okay, hold on, hold on. Let's get you, y'all. Let's
get you a great week.

Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
You other got to go back to work. It's one
fifteen in the afternoon here in the DFW area. Love y'all.
For what's that link? Hey? I forgot you know how
to pronounce your name? I understand your total driving here?
You know, no, no, no, no problem. Nor you know.

(01:16:47):
I was the one to respond to that. So y'all
have a great week. I gotta go back to work.
I gotta give me some lunch, Black Dragon, lavish, keep it,
keep it rolling, keep it pushing, Black Dragon. Keep your
dogs under control, y'all. Your own your tooth hard, ride
safe and always always ride on fate.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Keep wow, yeah wow? What's up? Princess?

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
All right, man, I'm out of here. Man. You go
play with your dogs, man and do all the other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Appreciate princessor come here, baby, now you can come to
everybody can come, all dogs can come.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Come here, Princess, I come here. Did you get a bath?
Somebody gave you a bath? Come here?

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Ah, sweet thing? Hey come here, Brute, come here, Tank. Hey, hey, y'all,
take care of this is princessive. Somebody gave you a bath?

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Hey, come on Tank?

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Yeah, hey buddy, Hey buddy, Hey, brutus, what's up with you? Listen,
I'm not keeping you. You're not my dog. You understand
that ass is going back to your own or I
swear to God.

Speaker 7 (01:17:58):
All right, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
As soon as I find the right button. I am

(01:18:40):
not keeping this dog. That's the bottom line.

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