The Right Way to Discipline Members at MC Trail SAA Must-Knows

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Well, good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's good to see you guys all, and I hope
everyone is having a a wonderful and blessed morning. Hech man,
it is beginning to look a lot like Christmas?

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What are we a couple of days away? Man?

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like any Christmas music for you guys. Sorry I didn't
play my Blizzard for you guys or anything. I didn't
pay my and the reason I didn't because I can't

(00:59):
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off in a minute.

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takes over.

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But anyway, I had this stuff for y'all, but heck,
we don't want to turn it on and turn it off. Okay,
that worked. Okay, So it's working man today's topic, and
this is I thought it. That's close to me, so
I thought I would go ahead and put this out

(01:33):
for you guys, the right way to discipline members, and
let me get it on my Ford screen. So I'm
looking at you guys and not the not the computer.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
The right way to discipline members at a MC trial.
These are the SAA must knows how to run a
fair MC trial with no politics, no bs. This is
your real ESSAYA guide here. You want to get the
folks on this one. Share this one like, subscribe, follow

(02:11):
and share this out to Sargeant at arms and other people,
presidents and stuff you might feel like need this. This
is an SAA masterclass, a quick one and discipline, due
process and for trials for your motorcycle club so you
can stop kicking members out wrong and follow some kind
of real jurish prudence process, the real MC trial process.

(02:35):
And a lot of you guys come to these clubs
and you don't have any understanding of some of this
kind of stuff because like you never ever figure that
it can get to that. But if you want to
be in your club and you want it to last forever,
stop kicking members out wrong. Have a real MC trial process,
an MC trial done right with pillars of justice at

(02:59):
every Every sergeant in Arms needs to practice. You need
to be doing these things to keep your motorcycle club
squared away and operating the right way. It seems to
me that if you want to do this thing right,

(03:21):
if you want to be in it for the rest
of your life, you would do it right.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And after thirty eight years in this lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I want to break down the correct discipline and honorable
way to conduct an MC trial, the way that protects
the club, not the egos in the damn club, but
in a way that protects the club, in.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
A way that.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Preserve the club's legitimacy and prevents politics from destroying the brotherhood.
Too many clubs today rely on what we talked about yesterday,
group think popular already contests politics out bad shortcuts. That
isn't justice, that's chaos, and it kills motorcycle clubs. Just

(04:09):
take a look at what it's done to the Black
Sabbath Nation. YMC trials matter. A motorcycle club should outlive
Check this out now. A motorcycle club should outlive every
member in it. It should go on and on and
on past the time you put in it. It can't

(04:34):
last until tomorrow. If you're fucking up everything today, I'm
just telling you, and the only motorcycle club can live forever.
It's when discipline is handled with fairness, professionalism, honor, loyalty,
due process, and guess what. The sergeant in arms carries

(04:58):
this responsibility. Not the loudest voice. That's not the that's
not how fairness should be decided by the loudest effing,
messed up, raunchy ass, mean voice, hateful, pissed off, miserable, misery,
joy and misery loves company. Should not be the loudest
voice that your accountability system depends on. It should not

(05:23):
be the president's favorites. It's the sergeant at arms following
the mind laws, the key pillars of a proper motorcycle
club trial. We're going to break down the real trial
MC process, including written charges, investigations, written notice to the

(05:44):
accused boy. Some of you guys never even heard of
the shit full disclosure of charges and accusers, right to assistants, speedy, public,
impartial trial, unanimous verdict required for major discipliness. Should you
got never even heard of this? Right to appeal? And
what things you should be able to pill. This is

(06:04):
how real clubs operate. Anything less as politics disguised its
justice and trial and abstintia because there are no shortcuts
to discipline.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, if a.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Person ain't there, or a person can't be there, or
a person refuses to come.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Guess what, there is still a responsibility to hold the truck. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
We will also address one of the most abused concepts
in the MC discipline, the trial and abstinction does not
mean automatic guilt even if the accused doesn't show. So
these are the things we're going to talk about in
this in this show today. If you want your MC

(06:58):
to earn real respect and keep it, get your trial
process right. Due process. It's what the trial process is called,
and it is the same in every responsible society known
to man. I'm your boy, Black Dragon, Join.

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What's going on? My brother? What's going on? Everybody?

Speaker 7 (10:15):
So interesting that you're talking about protocol and now wearing
my protocol shirt?

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Oh wow, that's that's that's really.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
Cool, pocoll learn it respected Holloway. Y'all don't know where
this shirt comes from?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Where does it come from?

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I can't say.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
Why are you going to ask us? Do we know
where the shirt comes from? And then I didn't ask.
I said, if y'all don't know where the shirt comes from.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I want to see more of the shirt. We'll be
able to tell. Yeah, I know what.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Turn all the way around? Do you follow protocol?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Uh, that's not Motorcycle Club protocol there. That must be
that Mason stuff you do.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Had nothing to do with my sonic quarterer.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, Well, I don't know where it comes from.

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The company has called the Protocol brand.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Oh really, is it something we should be supporting.

Speaker 7 (11:20):
I don't know if they make I'll contact him to
see if they make any more shirts that I need
another shirt. They they're trying to come out with some
more but they're connected.

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Yeah, we'll definitely support them because I'm all about protocol.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Listen.

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lost Lavish or anything like that.

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He is a very busy man now. I just called him.

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He's down at the police station in some sort of
employee meeting or whatever. They're getting him sworn in and
all those things that he needs to do. And so
he's still with us, just not as much, but he's
still strong with us. He may come in pop in
or whatever as he gets his new stuff in order. Hey,
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(12:03):
Happy New Year? Samuel? All my good man, Samuel down there.
It's good to see you, and uh nice to know
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Thank you?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Uh, thank you. That was written by Black Dragon. The Midnight,
Black Dragon, The Midnight. Hi not get Black Dragon's name,
The Midnight what is it?

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Speaker 5 (12:40):
Doesn't want to say he's going to write a song
for me?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yes, yes, how are you? Good morning?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
This is a little this a little car from which
you talk Canada's Black Sabbath mothers? First, what's up? What's
up to my Black Sabbath brothers that are still around
and kicking? All right, let's get into this. Let me
get over here to it. All right, So let's break

(13:06):
this stuff down a okay, So after thirty years of
this lifestyle, I will break down the right way to
discipline members at an mc trual. Hey, you gotta discipline people.
Motorcycle clubs have to have disciplined. The army has disciplined,
military has disciplined. Even the Air Force where he came from.
They and I don't know if they have any discipline.

(13:27):
I mean, those guys don't get in trouble for nothing.
They come over to the Navy base talking about, we
don't we don't live like this, we're not staying in that.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I always was so jealousy all for that.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
By the way, like they have a standard of conduct
and a standard of where they have to live, and
them air Force dudes be knowing it. You have an
E four till a Navy E eight. I'm not staying
in that. Your people stay in that. They give them
officer quarters. I hated them for that. I was like, man,
I picked the wrong damn thing.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
But anyway, in order to have a society there must
be discipline. But if you want that society to last,
the discipline must be correct. We have all seen uprisings
of slaves and all kinds of places where discipline wasn't correct.
Even in South Africa where the discipline wasn't correct, like

(14:23):
it wasn't fair for a long time under a system
called apartheid. You saw folks rise up out of that
to a point that it was going to be a
shooting war if folks didn't get shipped right over there. Hey, so,
Jim Crow laws and stuff like that. You saw the
fight against all of that that took place for decades
and decades and even a century until folks got to

(14:45):
a point where things could be more even and more disciplined.
Discipline and how things are given out to society it
will make the difference as to whether or not that
society works over the long term, whether the society lasts
one thousand years or five and your MC club. Most
motorcycle clubs only last.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Of all, the.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Mostcycle clubs that start, only fifty percent of them last
longer than three years. Of those, fifty percent of them
last five years. So if your club is long older
than five years old, you have really done your business.
Because most clubs don't last, and part of the reason

(15:29):
is they don't know the right way.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
To do things.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
We're going to talk about today, the right way to
discipline MC members at trial. Too many clubs today rely
on group think, politics, popularity, or out bad shortcuts. You
know the out bad shortcuts. I don't like you, so
let's figure out a way to throw you out bad.
This is not justice, it's sadness, and it destroys clubs.

(15:53):
So a serious sergeant arm approaches every issue with professionalism, efficiency, fairness, honor,
loyalty and respect. Your club should should last be on
your lifetime. So here's how to make it file happen.
So let's talk about the key pillars of a fair
MC trial. So we're gonna tie, We're gonna type this

(16:14):
in and I want everybody okay, so.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
Answer this two questions, one question in one coming. Thank you,
hold of Gotto at ten fifty four says BD, how
do you make judge of me on enforcing every little
thing on the bylaws versus giving some leadway. Just like cops,
they have discretion what laws to enforce.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
So they are going to be good sergeant in arms,
bad sergeant in arms, extremely hard sergeant in arms, and
fair sergeant in arms, new sergeant in arms. That and
and for those of you who don't know, a lot
of times mcs us enforcers instead.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Of sergeant arms.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's really the same job, depending on the kind of
or whether you're on the East coast or West coast.
Some call them sarganted arms and some call them enforcers.
But you're gonna have good and bad ones, some that
are anal and some that are not, some that are
on every little bitty thing, and some that give more leagueway.
And you know, the bigger asshole you are, sometimes the

(17:19):
harder it is. But the bottom line is if that
guy is trying to follow the bylaws and be fair,
Like hey man, if you're going to get everybody for
having their their name tab on the left side of
their shirt and somebody shows up with it on the
right side of their their cut and you're gonna jump
in his butt for that little bitty thing. But if
you're doing it to everybody and you're fair and you're

(17:42):
down the line, then some will be more lenient and
some will be less lenient, and experience will we'll teach
these guys what discretion like you get these newbie cops.
I had this newbie cop man. This guy was trying
to right me for everything in the book, and the
older cop kind of bumped him and said, come on.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Bro, get the man a little bit of a break.
Gee's histla wheeze.

Speaker 9 (18:03):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, the guy was happy. You've gotten happy with it.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
So it's going to be experiencing time, uh to teach
a person how to uh to for a person to
learn how to have some discretion, or he's going to
get his ass voted out next time. Right, Okay, what
was the next question. There's a comment says if you

(18:27):
start your own If you start your own says bs
BD and go one percent, I'm prospecting. Oh, if you
start your own bed and go one percent, I'm prospecting.
Let me tell you something. I was just thinking about
starting just a just another section of Black Sabbath and

(18:47):
making it a one percent thing till I till I
started going to these one percent of trials, and uh,
those guys listen, man, those guys wear that. They are
putting a lot. Not everybody can wear that. I'm just
gonna let me tell you. Not everybody has the shoulders

(19:07):
for that or the pockets for that. So you might
be waiting a long time for me to go on percent.
All right, I'm gonna type this in. Charges must be
in writing from a full patch and good standing. I'm
gonna put this here in the comments section, and I

(19:30):
want everybody that's fallen along with me to say charges
to type in. Charges must be in writing. Okay, let
me know that you guys are with me. You've got
seventy six people on the line, as many of you
as can put in the comment section. Charges must be
in writing from a full patch member and good standing.
So what's important about that? I saw a video that

(19:55):
Sosta ghosted where he talked about being a sarge in
arms and some prospects brought charges on a president. Now,
this is hard for me to believe that any shit
like that could have possibly happened in a one percent
motorcycle club like the thug riders. I just I can't

(20:15):
I can't even imagine that if he said it happened,
maybe it happened, But I can't imagine why you would
allow somebody that's not a full patch member in good
standing to bring charges on full patch brothers in good
standing or full patch brothers not in good standing. If

(20:37):
you're not in good standing, then you don't get to
bring no charges.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
You know what, you know, it's funny about what you
just said.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
I know I'm at divert just for a second.

Speaker 7 (20:55):
Well, when I was up in the first time, I
saw when I was up in Arkansas right the roundup,
and I saw an EMC and they had the Masonic
emblem on their back as their back patch.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
And I had a fit.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
But since I wasn't I hadn't paid my dues, I
didn't say anything. Hear me, y'all, I know this is
not MC, this is kind of EMC. They yeah, and it,
and I'm like, you're not supposed to be that's not
supposed to be a center Patch. So I came home
to my thousand mile trip, went back to my lodge

(21:31):
in New Mexico, got got got caught up on my dudes,
came back and then not front of me.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
Because now I'm square. Well, now I'm like.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
You're just saying you're following protocol. I'm following protocol right,
and I say nothing. If you ain't paid your dudes.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
How you're gonna be nasty and try to make somebody
else be clean.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
You ain't right and you ain't right.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
So uh A big guy for the seven said, if
you're not a good standing why are you even in
the clubhouse or in attending any events in the first place. Boo, boy,
don't do that. Do not do that, big guy fifty
whole another story, man, don't don't get make us do
a whole new podcast. We try to do the podcast
we on h so so. But anyone should be able

(22:21):
to have charges brought if you have wronged someone, Like
let's say there is someone that's been wronged, they just
might not be able to bring the charge because they're
not a full patch brother in good standing. But another
full Patch brother in good standing can bring the charge.
It's just it must be brought by a full patch
brother in good standing. It should be in writing, not

(22:45):
that though, he says, she said, bullshit. It should be
in writing where it can be seen where it can
be examined, where it can be looked at the specific
charges of the specific bylaws that I am charged with breaking. See,
you bring people down to the sinner and away from
the bs. Well, black Dragon knows he never should have

(23:08):
done that, and we've been conducting an investigation on him.
Never ever any charges. Uh, and people do that all
the time. Oh, you know, you never should have done that.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
The more the more.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Loose is that thing you say that, the looser they
get with the descriptions, the the wider they get with
the descriptions, the more bullshit they can get away with.
That's why you should what by laws were broken? How

(23:45):
are they broken?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
When? What time? Where? What's the evidence?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Where?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Why? When? And how?

Speaker 7 (23:52):
And that's why it's important to have those bylaws written nicely.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Many clubs don't have them, and bylaws can people. Bylaws
can change. You shouldn't do bylaws like trends where you're
trying to fight everything that happens. Let's add a new
bylaw because your bylaws will just be ridiculous.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
Look at what, guys, what we'll say? He asked a
question about you. What you're saying? Should an investigation be done?
Before to say, oh, we're getting to that, my brother,
we're getting to that. Uh uh, STU has a lot
of different things going on.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I don't know. I had to stop watching them.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Oh yeah, I had to stop watching them too, but
I did see that black dragon before charges are made
and right, yeah, okay, so let's black Dragon in charge
made running. Would it be an idea to have evidence
that the member was counseled, given a written warning or violation,
So that should be a part of your process. Some
things are violatable, some things are warnings.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So you know, those of us from the military and
Moti Gato from the police department and stuff like that,
we're kind of used to a discipline process and and
all of that, and that can be uh, you know, counseling.
Was he counseled once or twice or three times? And
and uh in the motorcycle club, depending on like a
club of law enforcement, guys like you might be really

(25:16):
tough on that, but guys that maybe just came from
from the street or whatever might not be so so
good on the HR. So we're gonna talk about the
overall practices, but yeah, there can be counseling and remediation
and all that kind of stuff. And if you got
a hardcore sergeant at arms, he's on all that already.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I don't worry about it, prays.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I made his ass clean up the parking lot and
paint all the yellow stripes out there in the parking lot.
And he's he's on the roof right now, and it's
one hundred degrees out there, and he'll be washing everybody's
bike by tonight. And and sometimes stuff like that is
way better than a trial, I'll promise you. Uh So,
if the charges and must be presented in uh and

(26:00):
by a full patch of good standing. So let's go
to two. I'm gonna write this the SAYA investigates like
a and yeah, investigates, then I spell investigates right, invest
in gates like a grand jury. Yeah, only bring strong

(26:23):
cases to trial. Okay, so there should be an investigation.
So you guys put this right, type this for me.
SAA investigates all charges. Say that for me, SAA investigates
all charges to see if they're worthy for trial. Investigates
invests two gates all charges to see if they are worthy.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
To even go to trial.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Extreame Oh wow, stream Yard says that I'll earn twenty
five dollars for everybody I refer to you to.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Use them your stream yard.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Alright, just popped that up for me, all right, so
put that in the essay. Investigates all charges. So once
an essaya gets charges in his hand, you don't just
automatically march after trial.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
We sometimes a guy would right charges up.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
And have no damn idea what the bylaws are.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I was ugly because I would say, all right, such
and such.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Did you wrong?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I feel you, I'm with you, and I want you
to have your due process. However, I need you to
take this that you wrote, go back to the bylaws
and find me.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
The bylaws that were broken. Well, you're the sergeant of arms.
That's your job, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
But we're gonna make sure you know what the f
you're talking about and what you're trying to bring this
guy up on charge. I'll do my job. I want
to make sure that you even really want to go
through with this.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's not the sergeant of arms job to browbeat anyone
or make anybody not want to press charges they want
to press, or anything like that. Somebody wants to bring
a charge, you should facilitate that, because that's part of
the fairness, but also make sure that they know what
they're doing. But then it becomes your responsibility as the
sergeant of Arms to pull these charges in and examine

(28:37):
the evidence and examine the charges versus the evidence versus
the statements the witnesses and all of that and put
that together in a format that makes sense. This I
look at kind of like a grand jury kind of
to the and so you don't have to have everything,
just enough facts and information to bring a charge based

(29:01):
on the bylaws that we have. All right, Okay, so
now that we've talked about that, any questions about that,
you should only bring strong cases to trial. You should
only bring cases that the club feels like it can win.
It's the club versus black Dragon, it's the club versus logic,

(29:25):
because it's the club bringing the charges, and if the
charges are proven, then it's the club that's going to
be coming down in your ass. So Sergeant Arms, even
if Modo Gado is bringing the charge, Sergeant in Arms
is going to be the district Attorney's going to be
the one that's putting it down and it's going to

(29:46):
be to him that the club that to the club
that the memory of where.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Does the president play in that not the investigation?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, in the investigation he doesn't play a damn thing
because that's not his job. So if you got a
president all in that mix, well you fucking up the president.

(30:16):
All right, God has said it's great you're doing this today.
I'm getting fully patched next month and have been voted
in as the say, alrighty, before you.

Speaker 7 (30:27):
I thought he, I thought he was already in your
your organization, little God, huh was already in his organism.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
He's talking like he is being from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Man.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Hell yeah, what are some examples or some charges?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Uh? Well, the basic.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Examples of charges in a motorcycle club would be sleeping
with another brother's woman, lying to the club, stealing from
the club. These are the basic charges that we had
a long time ago. Now it might be a cyber
banging on the internet. So you know that that might
be against your club bylaws to be attacking someone or

(31:11):
threatening somebody on the internet in the club's name.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Don't let me my brothers have to come over there
and kick your ass. Hi violation.

Speaker 7 (31:26):
So running back, running back and getting your bros is
a violation of protocol.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Running back and getting your bros for some ship you
started is a violation.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
I just wanted to say that the Motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Club is not a personal beef solving entity, although we
have all probably used it for that. Yeah, everything I'm against,
I have actually done that. Yeah. I'm sometimes a very bad,
hypocritical piece of private ship too. So let me put

(32:01):
that on out there. Hey, here's a charge telling club business. Yes,
that's a charge. A lot of charges out there. What
is You never get the bylaws but you're prospecting and
you get pressed, but you never knew what you were doing,
and you were just sort of hanging around. That's called bullshit.

(32:24):
That's what that's called. It's called bullshit. And a lot
of clubs, this is what I found the craziest. A
lot of clubs do not believe prospects should be given bylaws.
This is my beautiful Tia. Hello, baby girl, good to
see you. This is called bys A lot of clubs

(32:47):
actually believe that prospects should not get bylaws because they
believe prospects are not members. I personally wouldn't be signing
into no group that I couldn't see the bylaws before
I signed it.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
What if the bylaws said until you're first.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Born on Tuesday, but you don't get to know that
until like after you become a member, Like, hey, we're
here to pick up your firstborn.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
What are you talking about? It's in the bylaws?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well, you wouldn't even show me those before I join?
Does it even make sense to sign a contract you
haven't read?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
So uh.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
If they're not going to give you the byelaws as
a prospect, then your sponsors should be teaching them to
you and showing them to you and making you remember them.
Like those guys that remember the uh. Uh what is
the Islamic Bible called uh?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
I've forgotten uh? Quran?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
You like they remember the Kuran like they can say
it backwards and forward and stuff. You should be remember.
If you can't have them, then you need to memorize them.
I would say.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So it's bs when you when you don't uh have
by laws before you join the club, if you ask me,
which brings up a whole other thing. Are prospects members?
And my idea is that prospects are members. They're members
under probation and that's why they're called prospects. They wearing

(34:12):
a patch if you got my patch on. You're a
member of my club. If you don't have my patch on,
you're a hangaround. You're a member in temporary you know,
temporary status. But other people don't believe that Prospects was
not a member. Telling women on the MC set not
to co sign for bikers on the MC set is
a charge.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
He's talking about my video.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
I did yesterday.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's not a charge, man, that's not a charge. When
I was patched in, they gave me a set of bylaws,
and I talked with my sponsor every day about them
and was told to ask questions.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's the right way. That is silly.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
A prospect without bylaws is like hiring a police officer
without having a police academy. You're right, Modo Gatto, but
different clubs he had different ways. But if you got
a club that won't show you the bylaws and you
need to at least be having those bylaws explained to
you so that you know what you're in for when
you get in the club. Okay, number three accused gets

(35:12):
written notice of date, time, place, and adequate.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
How do you spell adequate, adequate prep time? Boom? All right?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So, uh so you guys type accused gets written notice.
That's what you guys. Type type that for me. Please
accused gets written notice. This is important. How can you
be how can you start a trial you know, never
know what's coming?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
This is what This is what happened to me. One day,
I wake up, I turn on.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
My tube here and there's a uh there is there's
my club sitting there. Black Dragon is out bad. Uh
Really when was his trial? He said he wouldn't stand trial,
so we put.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Him out bad.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Wow, what were the charges? None of that stuff. There's
no no, no notice, no written notice, no nothing like that.
So how how did you even know that there? It
didn't happen. That's why it was bullshit. That's why the
clubs beyond that bullshit. If you are a sergeant arms,

(36:34):
hear me out there, is that what you want your
legacy to be offset? Is that what you wanted your
legacy to be, that the whole wide world knows that
you fell on the wrong side of history. That that's
what you that's what you take into your new motorcycle club.
That I was a disgusting dirt bag As a sergeant

(36:55):
at arms, it would be very difficult for me to
ever vote for or somebody I knew was a disgusting
dirt bag that had no morals and principles, not even
enough to make the club look good. If we got
to do this the right way, for history, for posterity,
for the members, because you know, when I first started

(37:19):
motorcycle clubbing, I thought that everybody. When I first started
writing bylaws, people would tell me, hey, man, you got
holes in that.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
But what hole? This is very easy to see?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Haha, No it amen, there are five ten ways around
that that you just said. But why would somebody? Aren't
we here all to do the best that we can. No,
we're not. No, we're not. And so that was my
biggest heartbreak, is to find that not everybody was on

(37:53):
the thing about being the best they can. But damn it,
the sergeant at arms should be I don't have enough
of you guys out there. Accused gets a written notice,
please write that, uh, Baker said, Uh, here's another charge.
Did not pay dues on time? That is absolutely a charge.
What's up? Baker? My sponsor in the Black Sabbath Nation,

(38:15):
The toughest job I found as an SSAA was policing
my brothers. It is a tough job to police grown
ass people. Okay, so a written notice of day time
plays and adequate prep time and adequate time to get there.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
So if you're in San Diego, you're the national president
in this Yeah, I know who this is? Where do
I answer that? Right here?

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, man, you're there? Hold on, can everybody? Can you
hear him? Oh? Y'all can't hear him?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Oh sure, No, No, you're not gonna be able to
hear you.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Let's see. Yeah, wait, you should be that.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
That's uh, that's the m C channel calling us The
n C Show.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Can forgive me Dan? I don't. I don't want no trouble.
Uh can y'all? Can't? Y'all still can't hear him? You
still can't hear him? All right?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Call me back on the phone. Call me back again,
call me back on the same line. I thought I
thought they'd be able to hear him from within this Uh,
he'll call me back on this line. The MC show
obviously has something he wants to say to us this morning.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
So accused gets okay, So now it's come on turnround. Okay,
what did you have to say? This is d MC
show called.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Yeah, Okay, I was looking at you looking.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
At the podcast so and you were talking about what
the clubs are doing or what clubs doing as hard
putting out the trial or nothing like that. And I
think that goes on.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
And often then we say, oh yeah, every day people
call me every day from all around the world.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Absolutely goes on.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Bar lag the boll laws mean absolutely up.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
It means absolutely because the members themselves, the members of
sales account that they left and that they left the.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Leadership Gilly accoloship.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Well, and we're teaching. And what we're doing now is
we're teaching the members how to be strong. A lot
of times the leadership has it over the members because
that members have no idea about any of this stuff.
So that's why we teach. I think maybe I will,

(41:17):
I think maybe I think, maybe I will. But you
got to understand that these shows that I'm doing now
are are based on my experiences with that. So as
we're moving forward. But anyway, man, I got to get
on with the show. I appreciate you for calling. All right, Okay, Now,
like I said, number three accused gets a written notice
of day time and place and adequate prep time.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
So what does adequate prep time mean?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Like if you're the national and you live in San Diego, California,
and you're gonna and for some reason this person has
to report to I don't know, Madison, Wisconsin or some
stuff like that. Uh, and you say be there tomorrow.
You may have a plane ticket and all that kind

(42:03):
of stuff, and can do that? Does this member have that?
And so if you're not providing for that, this is
a weird thing because in regular.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Law, you got a guy getting ready to.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Prosecute you for being in a motorcycle gang and he's
got an expert witness coming in to say that your
motorcycle club is a gang.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
That they will provide you.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Not with a lot of money, but they will provide
you with enough money to get your own expert in
a lot of these cases to fight the state because
that is considered fairness and doe process under the law.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Clubs need to think about fairness and do process too.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
So if I am going to prosecute you with the
strength of the club, am I providing you a fair
way to present yourself? Or are we just trying to
get you to help out here? We're talking about being
fair folks. Yeah, my phone's not sinking to the podcast

(43:14):
or for whatever reason, the Wine and Whiskey Podcast. It's
good to see you guys on here. Man, it's been
a while since I've seen you. I'm gonna have to
take this road caster to in for some service because
for some reason we're not able to sink the phone
or I would have done that. Uh, and they don't.
I don't think they have a wired one anymore for
this podcast, so we can't even wire directly. I's wired,

(43:36):
You're not not for your phone? Your cell phone?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
It is, yes, it is? Okay, well after afterwards, tell
me how to do it because.

Speaker 7 (43:45):
There's two USB uh seaports in the back plug one
into the one is for whatever, one is full with power,
and the other one plugging in for your phone. That's it,
and it goes to one of your channels.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Show me the damn thing. Can you lift your yours up?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Or is it?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I can't. I can't lift mine either right now?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
All right, So okay, Wine and Whiskey Podcast, we'll get
together because the Reverend has been holding out on me. Obviously,
he's been knowing stuff yet he hadn't even.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
I told him about this a while back.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
When he can have him call you, right now now
go to your Yeah, yeah, I have mind plugged in.
Even though he's on trial, he should still be treated
as a brother till he's not. Yes, you're right, uh
new Maine new May new Man and Chris uh new
Man in Christ says, we usually have uh, we usually

(44:38):
give at least at least a month for this.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Oh this is my brother Vito. What's up man?

Speaker 3 (44:46):
We're going on. Hey, you're gonna do update.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
You you have to push the update for the road
caster and then do it.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
You have to run update. That happened with mine.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Also, thank you man, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
But as for pertending to what you were saying, what
you're saying about about these these charges and as you know,
I've been through my my list.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Of charges you have.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
You have had uhuh something quite unjustly. Yes, I feel
that a lot of a lot of m seasons, just
in my experience specifically dealing with charges you can't. It's
it's more so people look at it depending on whoever's

(45:40):
charging you with whatever set offense. People look at it
as you are guilty soil until you can prove yourself,
and so whenever they charge and charge charge.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
You with it, people are.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
They try to make it assume as if that's it's
a done deal. Take take whatever punishment we're going to
give you and call it a day.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, instead instead of instead of Hey, like you said,
if I if I'm being if I'm being brought up
on charges in Atlanta and I live in Maryland, they
so we don't want to give you time to get
it there to face your charges. No, well we'll just
do it over the phone or things like that, which
is completely outside of outside of protocol.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So what we're trying to do now, my brother is
teaching the right way.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
That's what we're doing now.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Because you you went through more hell and the Black
Sabbath under the bullshit than I did. I had a
little more protection than you for the longest time. But uh,
moving forward, we're going to keep moving. Thank you for
telling me that, brother, uh, and thank you for teaching
me how to use the whole damn thing anyway.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I appreciation you know.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
You see this black dragon, I see it, brother. You
see this orange cable?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, I don't need it now. I just have to
update the rod caster. I just have to hit the update. Hey,
that's veto he taught me how to use all this stuff.
He is a what do they call it?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Twitch? Is that what it is? Twitch?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
He is one of those twitcher dudes and he's been podcasting.
Oh my god, he is the real thing. I'm nothing
compared to him. So he came over here and helped
me install and taught me how to use all of
this shit. And I appreciate and love him for it.
A story I tell about him. One time we got

(47:35):
into a fight. He's a young man, and I screamed
at him and hollered at him, and he screamed, My
father didn't even talk to me that way, and I
was like, well, perhaps he should. Next thing I know,
I'm flailing across the room, slamming into the wall. He's
got his hand around my throat. I can see this
kid getting ready to hit me.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I grabbed that kid and the next thing, you know, oh,
he just disappeared. And I thought to myself, damn, I
must still be good. I'm going back in the gym.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
But it wasn't. It wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
It was the Malainwah that got him of Malainwah got
him from behind and pulled him down to the ground.
Next thing I know, Vito has got his gun in
my dog's face.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I was like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
God, don't shoot my dog. And he said, if that
dog bites me one more time, I'm gonna shoot him.
The dog bit him again, he says, I swear to
God that dog bites me more time, and shoot him.
The dog bit him again, and I said, Vido, don't
shoot my dog. And Vito said, he's not even your dog.
He's only been here three days. And that was when

(48:44):
I realized that that malin Wah was gonna stay.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
He was a great dog.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
You know. In my club, I love my brothers. We fight,
we scream, we holler, we don't get along, and then
we do and we love each other. And Veto came
over here and taught me how to use all of
this stuff and has never not had my back even
when we were yelling and screaming and fighting with each other.

(49:13):
That's what I love about the motorcycle club life. But
in anyway, moving on, you have to think about being
fair and all pieces of this process. Because you get
these people, the same people that were my enemies. They

(49:35):
started with him first. So this is the stuff you
gotta know. Okay, now, I'm typing this in you guys,
follow this. Accused knows the charges and accusers. Facing your
accusers is paramount, Thank.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
You very much.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
That's really rest.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
In jurisprudence. Facing your accusers is paramount in being fair.
This idea that somebody can bring charges on you and
you not know who they are is nothing but bs.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
It's nothing to be s.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
You should be able to know who is charging you
and why you're being charged. This is the most important thing,
the most important thing. People have to be able to

(50:46):
face their accusation. They have to be able to face
their accusers. And this somebody told me and we heard.
And if you're not coming to me with logic, said
this about you on June seventh, twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
If you're not coming to me with that shit, I
don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Club brothers in this, I ain't said nothing. We're club brothers,
We're in the same club. There should be no secrets
between us. Somebody called me and told me the phone
sidebars have to go.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
If you if you don't like it, bring it to
the table. If you're somebody and you get that call, hey, man,
let me tell you about Let me tell you about Veto. Man,
blah blah, Hold up, bro, let's get Veto on the phone.
Well no, no, no, no no, well no no, no, no,
no man, get off my damn phone.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
And I say something.

Speaker 7 (51:56):
I know people will get man, but logic talks about whatever. Anyway,
what you just said about the phone calls if you are,
if you are, have a meeting and all of y'all
in the meeting president vice president started an armed secretary,
road captain and your organization, and y'all have a meeting,

(52:16):
and say me, black dragons on that meeting, and somebody
laver or say something I don't like. We let the
meeting finish and then we get off the phone and
I pick up the phone. All black Dragon, not Lavish.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
I call black Dragon.

Speaker 6 (52:34):
Man.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
You hear what Lavish said? You are a cancer?

Speaker 1 (52:40):
You are? I was going to say, the people are.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
Well, you are a cancer, because if you can't be
on the phone at the same meeting at the table,
the dog gone stream whatever and disagree with your brother
or your sister face to face, and.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
You are a answer. You were there.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
You were about to cause division within your organization, thinking
you've got to have somebody to side with you.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
You are a cancer.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I only speak from experience, Amen, I said, Blao dragon,
My story was wild. What I am most proud of
is that Veto did not kill my dog, because I
can't promise you I would keep getting eaten up by
a dog and not shooting u. Vito is just just
a very kind hearted soul and uh and and I

(53:32):
was just so thankful that he did not shoot my dog. Oh,
I love you, Vito. I hope you know that. Let's see,
you're right, you're a cancer. You are a sidebar sissy.

(53:53):
And if you can't handle it at the you know,
if you didn't like what was going on on the call,
you should have said something right then, Hey, bro, that
was I was fed up. But you want to prove
some evidence of that or what are you doing? You
know that was completely screwed up. But no, you waited
till uh somebody you know, you waited till later, and

(54:18):
you started with the sidebars because those kind of people
need to build a posse. They can't come get you themselves.
They got to build a posse to come get you,
you know, And so that really sucks, all right. Accused noses,
charges and accusers. So now that you know all of that,

(54:40):
here's one that people might not think about. I'm gonna
put this in here. Right to assistance. Uh So you
think of it in the regular world as the right
to an attorney. But you don't get an attorney in
a motorcycle club. But you might get like a club
elder or somebody that is very well versed in the

(55:03):
buying laws that could maybe help you with your trial,
especially if you're not very well versed. The club should
hand you an assistant, maybe an assistant sergeant in arms,
someone to help you prepare your case. When we're talking
professionalism here, you want to do shit the right way here.
It is like Dragon's laying it out for you. Yeah,

(55:25):
it takes a little time. Yeah, it takes a little
little effort. Write this down, y'all. Type this out from me.
Right to assistance, Right to assistance. We know everybody's falling
along with us. And give me some more likes if
you don't mind. We could use some likes. We could
use a few.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
More likes right now. I would really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
And while we're at it, maybe you could donate a
little money.

Speaker 8 (55:52):
Maybe maybe you need to donate some fricking money. Donate, donate.
Maybe you need to donate some fricking money money, don't don't.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, maybe you guys could donate some freaking money. We
would Actually, what did.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Your things saying before you did that? Uh? I thought
I heard something before you went to your.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I don't know where.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
I say, have something playing in the background? I said, what?

Speaker 1 (56:34):
What? I hope not? I hope it wasn't nothing ugly?

Speaker 5 (56:41):
Okay, anyway, moving on? Yeah, yeah, let's let's move on.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Uh uh So, right to assistance, somebody to help you
with your case. You got the big old club coming
after you, and you just may not uh know how
to handle this, so they should help you prepare yourself
to stand up and exercise your rights.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Mom is how Oh you're talking to her? Okay?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Next, speedy public and a parsonal trial. Oh wow, here's
the good one. A speedy public and a partial trial.
Somebody asked me, black Dragon, how long should it take?
I think somebody asked me that earlier. It should be
speedy public and impartial trial by neutral fool patch brothers

(57:30):
and good standing. What you shouldn't have nobody in good
standing sitting or in bad standing sitting on your trial.
You shouldn't have anybody that hadn't paid their dues on
your trial. You shouldn't have somebody that hasn't participated in
the last five runs. A lot of those people be

(57:53):
talking shit, but they're not doing nothing for the club.
They can't even stay in good standing. So what on
earth what are they doing on your trial? Hey, thank
you for that beautiful donation. There, appreciate you. We need
to run that commercial a little more. Thank you Assault
Wrestling Alliance. We appreciate the beautiful donation. And let me

(58:17):
tell you folks something, make sure to become members. Become members,
paying members. We have many levels in which you can
commit and it really helps to show help the channel,
help us out, So we really appreciate it. Speedy, public,
impartial trial by neutral full patch brothers.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Here's a thing.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
If you have committed a crime against the president, how
does the president sit on your trial? How does the
president even think that that kind of bs is proper?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I've seen that so many times.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
The president has a beef with you, the president brings
a trial against you. The president is part of the trial,
he executes the sentence, he's the judge, jury, and prosecutor.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
He's all of that.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
And and uh, what is that guy that that kills
you in the end? Executioner, judge, jury, prosecutor, executor, executioner,
he's all those things. No one person should be. Man,
stop it, people, stop it. Stop letting these people have

(59:32):
this kind of power over you. In an insane organization.
In a sane organization, this kind of shit doesn't happen.
The only reason they're doing this to you is because
you're letting them get away with it. Vito said that earlier,
and I just watched all these alpha men let some

(59:55):
ratty ass dudes steal the prestige of their nation just
because guys get around, they sit around, and they just
I don't know what happens. Alpha men become beta men
when they are surrounded by alpha men. When you've got
a whole bunch of alpha men, some will be reduced

(01:00:18):
down to betas. The strongest will float to the top.
The strongest personality is the loudest people in the rule,
but not always the best people. You gotta have a
line you don't cross. Bro, you're not doing that well,
we'll throw you out. I'd like to see you try
one thing that people have is I just don't want

(01:00:39):
to be I just don't want to dragon. You're always
in trouble, you know, I just want to get along.
Going along to get along is never an answer. Public trial.
And when I say public, a trial that the that

(01:01:00):
that the club can see public club is concerned. A
trial that the public can be a part that the
club can be a part of. That's a public trial.
Everybody can see everything that's happening. Everybody that wants to
come to the trial can. It's not held in secrecy somewhere. Hey,

(01:01:23):
you know, that would have been something if the members
of the club nationwide could have seen, could see my trial.
They could have put it on a they like to
do everything else online. They could have put it on
a what's that page or something for everybody to see.

(01:01:44):
But no such thing ever existed. No such thing ever existed.
So thank you for that Assault Wrestling Alliance, Thank you too,
Thank you so much. In most cases, the aqu should
be no of upcoming trials so that he or she
can gather evidence, get fast together, and be prepared to

(01:02:06):
rebuttal any accusations before the body. But ghosts a lot
of times they don't want to do that because they
know they will never get that shit over in a
real trial, so they'll do everything to keep you from
getting your proper your proper trial, your proper charges, your
proper notices. But I'm telling you, guys, how to do

(01:02:27):
it the right way. This ain't in your bylaws. Get
it there. At least logic, solid moderation and shit. Can't
post mind shit to b D. Let me respect logic,
get far from BD.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Oh wow, what what? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
He want you to get far from me?

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Where is that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
At least logic slid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
At least logic is solid moneration, love and respect logic.
Get far away, get get far from.

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
Tell me, tell me get away from you, brother, Get
away from you, bro, far away.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
Dang.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
I just wish I could be loved by everybody.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Man, anybody can't be loved by everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I just wish everybody would love me. But Uh, he
wants you to get far away from me. I don't
have one thing to say. Kiss my ass. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
That's all I gotta say. Uh, what is the burden
of proof? Well, the burden of proof will be decided
by the bylaws and the evidence that they have uh uh,
motor God says, file your charges. Kirk wd Yeah, if

(01:04:06):
you got charges, follow him. Goo says in the background.
The amount of hate you generate is amazing. I know, bro,
I know. I don't even be trying to. I'm just
telling people how to do a trial, and I'm getting hate. Okay,
next thing I'm putting in everybody unanimously. We are passing hour, Bro,
we only got one more left. Unanimous guilty. Unanimous guilty

(01:04:30):
verdict for major cases. Listen, what I wrote in our
bylaws is that if you want to find somebody guilty
of a major thing, like where you're going to throw
them out of the motorcycle club or take their money
or something like that, it had to be unanimous, a
decision of unanimous.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
A lot of people didn't like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
That because they found it very hard to get a
unanimous vote. So they even one time one guy decided
that he would just go against that. We did that yesterday. Actually,
I made a short of it. I had a national
vice president said, the hell with it. Black Dragon is
a lifer, and he is he's retired. He doesn't have

(01:05:14):
to have a fool vote. I can just put him
out and a strong startant in arms told him, no,
you can't. The starting in arms name was Miles. He said, no,
you can't. You're not doing that shit on my watch.
You're not just throwing the guy out the club. No guy,
not even the guy you hate, Black Dragon. You're not
even throwing him out. You're not throwing anybody out of
this club without a trial. Get the hell out of here.

(01:05:37):
And that was important. They found a way to get
rid of him, but or he just decided there was
too much BS and left. Now he's a full patch
one percent of these days. All right, finally this one,
this is the last one. So did I say so? Yeah,
you need a unanimous guilty verdict for major cases that

(01:06:01):
that stops people from bringing in b as my man.
And then the final thing that this is this is
crazy right here. A lot of people don't think about this.
A right to appeal in all juris prudence, the the

(01:06:27):
the all fair justice systems will give you a right
to appeal. If not the case itself, if not the
merits of the case, you can at least appeal the
process to see if the process was done correctly. You
still appeal the process to make sure that everything was

(01:06:50):
done correctly and that everybody got their fair trial. Maybe
there was something screwed up in the process, or maybe
you weren't able to query or accusers or whatever the
case may be. And so if you get an opportunity
to do that, if you give that opportunity, now you're

(01:07:13):
being very very fair to give the opportunity of well,
maybe it's a good possibility that we didn't just didn't
do it right, so we can allow you to appeal
the process.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Nobody's going to die here now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Trial understantia, you should hold a trial, prove the case,
and the jury can find out if it's bs, even
if the person says they're not going to show up
or don't listen just because somebody tells you to go
f yourself. I'm not participating with your bullshit. You don't

(01:07:51):
get to just kick them out of the club. That
you still have to hold a trial. You still got
to present the charges to the jury. You still gotta
they still got to find in one hundred percent. Now
it's harder for you to fight a case if you

(01:08:11):
ain't there, but you are, You're you're not going You
should not be able to put somebody out of a
motorcycle club without a trial. That should be against all
by laws in the world. Uh, Jay says Black Dragon.
I hate you're getting on. This segment is from people
who have been able to bully chapters or clubs and

(01:08:32):
bypass bylaws.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Huh. That's uh, that's very interesting. I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Uh, there isn't a set burden of proof. Is preponderance
of evidence more likely than not or beyond a reasonable
doubt of or each club differs. Yeah, it's going to
be different than each club. But these are the things
that you that you want to think about. What does
it take to remove from the clubs should be in
the bylaws? Uh? My sponsor, the one of the men

(01:09:03):
that taught me how to do all of this, Baker
out there in uh Arizona right now, he says, what
it takes to remove a member from the club should
be written in the bylaws. And I can tell you, man,
that old Black Sabbath Chapter I came from them. Mofos

(01:09:23):
knew them damn bylaws, man, they knew them by laws.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Kurt.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
You know, Kurt, we don't really just like kick people
off the channel. But you're being so mean man, So
you know, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
In our Motorcycle Ministry by laws, I have written in there.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
How to remove someone.

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
But since it's a ministry, we also go by the
same way we remove people from the church, just with
a little bit more added thanks to it because it's
the motorcycle type culture.

Speaker 5 (01:10:00):
So it is written in the bylaws.

Speaker 7 (01:10:01):
So somebody can come along and say, well, one of
somebody breaks or violates or blah blah blah. Well it's
written right there step exactly how we handle it and
who is to handle it. So I actually look, I
actually opened my open up my bylaws. That's why I
asked you that question. When when I said, where's the

(01:10:21):
president in this process? Usually not so I looked at
go and.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Look at mine, like, am I involved in the process?

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Are you? Are you involved in the process?

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
We actually don't describe. We said, uh, the leadership. Well
I'm part of the leadership. Now I got to go
back and excuse me. Now I have to go back
and define this. I have that book, I just can't
find it. The uh started in the arms book thank

(01:10:57):
you a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Let me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Let me display my book, the Sergeant Arms Bible, in
case you guys want more information on this. It comes
directly out of my Sergeant Arms Bible, which is right
up there, and you can go get that book for
Christmas if you need it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
My sponsor says, auto.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Removal of a club member if you violate any of
the following rules should be written like riding the bylaws.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
It should be sitting right there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
You should have seen how how those old black Sabbath man,
how they were about them bylaws like mad Mitch. Oh
my god, I don't think anybody knew bylaws better than
this man. This old guys they were, they were all
military guys and shit though they they had it all right.
So in closing, drop your MC trial stories and questions

(01:11:55):
in the comments. Subscribe for more raw biker protocol truth. Uh,
and let us know what you think about this, Let
us know, uh, your your.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
MC trial horror stories.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Maybe we can you know, cover that talk about what
happened to you and how you think that we can
all learn from it and be fixed by it.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
So yeah, yeah, I just I just verified. So it's
it's the council, and I sit on the council.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
Hmhm. We have to talk about I mean that don't
mean I'm a changing, but we have to no I'm
just saying. I'm just saying. I mean, because we're I
mean we're not we're not an m C.

Speaker 7 (01:12:46):
But to be all fair, because I know what's gonna
I know what's gonna come.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
From our sergeant arms. He can say why. He said,
why you're the president? Why so so Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
You know, as a president, you got a whole lot
to be doing. You got a sergeant at arms that
can handle discipline. Let him have it. That's his job.
That's what he should be doing. What he should be
doing is giving you a report of how things are
going and moving the hell on on my essay.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
Gives me the blues. Love him to death, bro, they're
supposed to exactly love them to death.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
They're supposed to give you the blues.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Hey, thank you would have gotten for buying my book, man,
thank you. I'll get that sucker in the mail to
you today, my man. If I don't see you guys,
I will be here tomorrow. But if I don't see
you guys until after Christmas or whatever, I mean, I'll

(01:13:42):
be broadcasting. I might even broadcast Christmas Day. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:13:46):
Back to what the twenty to the twenty ninth or
twenty sixth. When is Christmas Eve tomorrow? Yep, I will
be broadcasting tomorrow. I don't know if I'll be broadcasting
Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I don't know. I might.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
If you guys are born, I am not. I know
you won't be preacher. You've got preacher stuff to do
and family stuff. But it'll just be me and Ta
kicking around, so.

Speaker 5 (01:14:13):
She might not want to see me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Don't be looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Me for Christmas because to me have a complete different thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
I didn't ban him. I just put him in.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
Kurt WD was banned and their comments were removed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
I put him in time out? Did it ban him?

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Damn?

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
It just set time out?

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Oh wow, I don't normally ban people. Let me go
to the unbanned section.

Speaker 7 (01:14:43):
I don't want Well, look y'all, if I if I
don't see everybody, anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
What are you planning on being back with me? Preacher?

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
I wasn't playing on being back to fright.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Day Friday the twenty sixth, Yeah, okay, okay, so we
will the summer.

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
Twenty fourth, twenty five, and twenty six is not a
federal holiday.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
I am going Your president said it is.

Speaker 7 (01:15:07):
Your president said the twenty fourth and the twenty sixth
is the new is a new federal holiday. And I
got I got a friend that works in the federal
prisons and they said they got off that fast.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
They is they're not working tomorrow. It's a federal holiday. Now.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Yeah, he made it. Yeah, I don't know if when
he signed it. I don't know if he did an
executive order or that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
I don't know. Well, we're getting I guess we're getting
back to a Christian nation.

Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
I guess is.

Speaker 7 (01:15:31):
That he's always been. This is a never mind.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Y'all. Come check me out and keep the logical.

Speaker 7 (01:15:43):
Y'all want to know when I keep asking Lavish when
to see bringing his podcast back?

Speaker 5 (01:15:49):
When I'm starting mine. I'm starting I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:15:52):
Gonna be starting mine in the new year, and I'm
only go to I'm only going to do one show
of a month or no, a week a month, A week,
a week, a week, one show a week.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Yeah, a month.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Okay, so we're going to be back. Well, I'll be
here tomorrow and maybe my my guys will.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
We'll be back.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Yeah, it's okay. I'll sit in the corner and cry.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
I didn't I don't band people.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
No, he said you a banned them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
I was like, no, Wow, I didn't ban.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Sometimes they say mean stuff to me and it hurts
my feelings out.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
You're grown, man, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
My feelings get hurt, my foon feelings, my feelings get hey,
my feelings get hurt, all right, I got feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
You know, come from a square household. He said, you're
a square.

Speaker 5 (01:16:52):
It's going to be a shame about that. I'm c
I tell people, I did a whole video.

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
I did a whole video about heeople out here in
the clubs or just in the street acting like something
they never was.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
It's nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:17:08):
Even when I was in college, I have people want
to claim they're from a big city because a lot
of people there around are from.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
A big city. I said, man, be proud of where
you're from. Man, So what you're not from La So
what you're.

Speaker 10 (01:17:22):
Not from Chicago? Who cares you are from where you're from?
You are who you are. You are a product of
whatever environment you grew up in. Just because you from
the country, you're not from the city. You don't know
what the city boys be saying about the country like
us in New York.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
Be like, man, you know you can't beat them country boys.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
We would say that you can't beat them country No
country boys be carrying around hey, carrying cows. You know,
true or false, but that's what we'd be saying. But
you know, if you square, you square, I mean you shoot,
ain't nothing.

Speaker 11 (01:17:53):
If you was a dog, or if you was a hog,
or if you was that guy in your hood and
you still think you that guy, you the baddest thing
that walks, then you have him matured.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
You have him mature. He got a mature out of that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
He may call you o g, but you got a
mature out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I don't care my feelings get hurt. Period. I'm sensitive dragon,
okay whatever, I'm tentative.

Speaker 10 (01:18:23):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Somebody said, when are you gonna have all your books
on audio? I have said, I'm going to have that done.
Within the first three months of the new year. All
my books will be on audio. I just got to
sit down and do it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
And we gotta write ours.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah, and we got to write our book, uh in
the first quarter. We gotta we gotta get all that
stuff done.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
And you got me messing with my bylaws.

Speaker 6 (01:18:47):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
I didn't mean to know what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
Man. I am. I am formatic. I can't stand at unformatic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Okay, so courch back with us, and uh he seems
to be better. Damn Kirk, I'm glad you're still here.
I didn't I would not ban any people's you banned me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
I try not to ban people. And let's you just
be an ugly, ugly ugly Uh. Anyway, we're getting ready
to get the hell out of here. I'm gonna go, man, preacher,
Let's get your stuff, all right. Thank you guys all
for tuning in. Please consider getting a subscription with us.
We do need the subscriptions, so please get a subscription.

(01:19:33):
We got many levels you can get. We'd appreciate it
if you get one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 11 (01:19:38):
I yo, yo, yo, what's up? This is your boy?
Logic over here and keep it logical. Hey, tomorrow is
Christmas Eve. Tomorrow is Christmas Eve. I hope you didn't
spend all your money.

Speaker 7 (01:19:49):
You still got rich, still got more, you still got
a cardinals, still got an insurance.

Speaker 11 (01:19:53):
But anyway, if you're out there riding, gonna get your
last of the year ride out. You're gonna get out there.
Just have a great time, unless you're in the snow.
Remember these words from your boy logic, Ride hard, ride safe,
and always always ride on faith. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays.
I see you for Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Peace.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Now, you didn't do that, right.

Speaker 11 (01:20:20):
Did I said you didn't say keep it logical?

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
Peace?

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Peace.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Here you go, hey, And just so everybody knows, there's
no hatred on Biker News Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
I love Biker News Canada, great man. I like him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Bob Jarvey is a good grid, good guy, so there's
no hate on him whatsoever. All right, this is black
dragging your boy, Black Dragon. Thanks for tuning in. Love
to hear your two cents in the common section below.
And that's been my two cents and I'll check you
guys out tomorrow and I will be coming back on
TikTok nightly. Maybe I'll start tonight, but we'll be coming

(01:20:58):
back on TikTok nightly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Hey man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Thanks for tuning in, everybody, and we are working hard.
We had a gout attack and they had to give
me these big shots of them of steroids and it
ran my blood sugar up, oh my god, into the
four hundreds man, and three point fifty nine and stuff

(01:21:20):
like that. And it's been running like that for the
past two days. And it is scary to see your
blood sugar like that. That is the scariest damn thing.

(01:21:40):
But last night you can see it came down to
about one sometime about twelve am. This is what those
those steroid thing packs do to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
So you really got to eat well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
You really got to eat well when you're losing weight
and all that stuff when you have diabetes. Because I
got this gout attack and look what it did. It
is do you see how deformed my arm looks. It
looks completely absolutely freaking deform.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
And this thing was went all the way down my
arm like this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
It was horrible, man. So you got to eat well.
You got to eat well. And Goldie from one down
has been in my ass about eating well. So I've
lost seventy pounds, but it's still got to move forward
to get to the one hundred and fifty pounds. So
we're still making it happen. Just to let you guys know, Hey,
get my book up there. Yeah there it is. Get

(01:22:42):
my book up there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
The the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Started an arms Bible for more information about our subject today.
All right, thanks for tuning in. Get to the right
button here. Thanks for tuning in, my friends, and get
skinny peace. Prepare yourself to take the helm as president
of your mighty motorcycle club by delving into the pages
of Black Dragon's newest book, The President's Bible Chronicle One

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If you are seeking clarity about issues stemming from problems
or crisis occurring within your motorcycle club, then set up
a consultation with Black Dragon. Black Dragon has over thirty
years of experience in the motorcycle club world, having served
as a national President of the fifty year old Black
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