The Truth About Motorcycle Ministries Protocols Conduct & Religious MC Differences

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
All right, day three of this cold. I'm talking through
my nose. It's just horrible. I'm going to try to
make it through the day. I don't even know if
I'm going to be able to scream already then my
eyes are all, Oh my goodness, and the lights man anyway,

(00:34):
woe is me? Whoa is me? Here we go. We
got this question yesterday and it was in the end
of the show, and.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
So we said we would cover this, and we're going
to go through this today.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Truth about motorcycle ministries, protocols, conduct, and religious motorcycle club differences.
They get a wrap these motorcycle ministries. Is it deserved,
is it fair, is it real? Or just you know,
more of our robbis and well, what do we expect
from our motorcycle ministries. I've talked about this subject many times.

(01:10):
Today we're going to be taking a clear, honest look
at the topic that continues to generate debate across the
biker set. Motorcycle ministries. What they are, what they're not,
and why the confusion around their conduct is creating tension
on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
And it's going to be cool because our show co host,
I mean, all the times I've talked about this. It's
never been from We've never had like an expert, an
experts perspective that's a in a in a motorcycle ministry
that does this. Motorcycle ministries exist for specific for specific
purpose that we come to understand on the motorcycle set, outreach,

(01:47):
service and spiritual support within the biker community. With that
calling comes of course, higher expectations. Like a medical person
in the military, there's expectations that we have of that person,
the chaplain, not exemptions. But many in the MC world

(02:10):
are asking legitimate questions about some of these so called
motorcycle ministries. Why do some mms appear to bypass traditional
protocol in order to get started, Why do they sometimes
receive passes that other clubs do not, and why does
this on the road behavior of some ministries look no
different than outlaw clubs. One percenter clubs are regular, regular clubs.

(02:33):
Like in the pictorial on the thumbnail, we got a
whole bunch of MM guys in a strip club acting
like everybody else.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Not saying that people can't be men, But what are
you looking for.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
A club that's supposed to be representing and speaking of
about and promoting the Lord. So we're going to breaking
it down the true purpose of the mission of the
motorcycle ministry, the protocols and.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Expectators places.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Motorcycle ministry is by the broader biker community, and why
behavior on a set.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Some matters more than the name on the bat our.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Perception is shaped within ministry parties, within when ministries. How
perception is shaped when ministries party patch issues or ignore standards.
So we're going to talk about this today and it's
going to be really cool because we have logic on

(03:36):
and also we're going to talk about the differences between
motorcycle ministries and Christian clubs because I believe that should
be talked about as well. So we got a few
things we'll be looking at this morning.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Here.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
In a minute and seven seconds we will return, and
I hope you guys are still with me. I want
to thank you guys with me for being with me
since twenty sixteen. Truth about motorcycle ministries is two day's topic.
I'll be back in a minute in seven seconds after
this brief introduction.

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I never even thought about a motorcycle before you.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Now, I'm an outsider with much love and respect for
the culture. Oh man, that's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Man.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I wish everybody liked me like that. That would be
so cool. All right? So uh uh, I's from man,
I'm from with you who you all stuffy and everything?
Do I sound it?

Speaker 9 (08:03):
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Speaker 10 (08:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
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Speaker 4 (08:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Okay, So let's talk about this motorcycle ministry stuff, my man.
And that was brought up by the MC show yesterday.
He's been on my head about this for weeks and
weeks about this whole motorcycle ministry stuff. You're on my
head about this for weeks and weeks, I mean on
my head. So yesterday he actually slipped it in and

(08:46):
I said, you know what, let's go ahead and talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
So we got you on.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
You are the president of God's Warriors Motorcycle Ministry and founder.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, yes I am. And uh, what's up our r
O O g hm, he said. Het he met everybody
except for Welcome to the stage from the Blue Room,
Lavish T. Williams.

Speaker 11 (09:13):
What I'm telling what's happening? I meant to get my camera,
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
What kind of one happen? I wanted to set up
my nikon, so so I can look like you at
least you look at strong in there.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Man.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh man, I.

Speaker 12 (09:28):
Guess I got some stuff coming to man. I got
I got some heat that don't want to be dropping soon.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Man.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, it's nothing like having a proper studio.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
You know most of us, we don't start off with
the right studio, lavish. We got to build up to it.
You just came in the game with Keep in mind,
I've been doing.

Speaker 11 (09:46):
This for quite some time. I just ain't pick consistent.

Speaker 12 (09:49):
So this is this is the motivation to make you
want to come in here in podcasts and talk about softening.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
As some lavish And when are you going to start
your podcast back up?

Speaker 11 (10:00):
Put this window in today?

Speaker 7 (10:02):
No, No, I'm talking about what I asked you in
the past before you got your room off set up.

Speaker 12 (10:06):
I'm I'm gonna do it this month. I'm going to
actually read my first podcast.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I'm going to man, he got two years worth of
stuff sitting on them cameras, man, so.

Speaker 12 (10:19):
Logic my first, my first podcast. See, I'll be trying
to make sure everything is perfect. It don't always go
that way with my new intro and all that kind
of stuff. But I want to just jump right into
it and uh, just do it. But I'm going to
recap my bike, my biker bash, and I'm going to
get a couple of the rough riders on here so
I could pick up from where I last left off at,
which was talking about the biker badge and the election

(10:42):
came the.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Bier so cool.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
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need to see how that went for you. And you
got a lot to do, a lot.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You're not going to be in the shop anymore.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
Only if I got guessed, Okay, like live guess with me.

Speaker 12 (10:59):
The problem with Daddy, and it's not a problem. I
just hate having to break that stuff down and put
it back together.

Speaker 9 (11:05):
Man.

Speaker 12 (11:06):
I hate to set up, you know. So this was
a little bit more like I got it all here,
I don't have to break it back down. I do
got a mobile setup.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, Unfortunately for me, I've got two setups.

Speaker 11 (11:18):
And that's what I'm working on.

Speaker 12 (11:19):
I'm actually working on the house set up because everything
I got is mobile. The house stuff is all the
different stuff, the newer stuff, but the mobile.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Stuff, yeah, you know, it's just stuff. Is my old stuff,
my old road caster pro, the one. Yeah, this is
a road caster too, so that's in this studio. But
I have the old one for the old studio or
for the mobile studio, and now I'm trying to put
one in my RV, so i'll have three studio.

Speaker 12 (11:45):
Yeah, I'm just trying to do I'm just trying to
have that mobile, that mobile set up. I kind of
like it at my See my boy is doing a
lot of work down at his shot right now, so
I don't have a stationary place to just keep it
set up all day at it where I could just
leave it there, And all I gotta do is go
in there and bring my laptop and I'm all good.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
What's up, Joseph? Yeah, what's up? Josh Camp?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
All right, let's jump into this. Uh man, what is
this thing with these motorcycle ministries. Uh, They're they're catching
such a and and uh the MC show you're on here, man,
so go ahead and scream what you gotta scream. But
motorcycle ministries take a lot of heat. Uh Is it
deserved or not deserved?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Preacher?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
They people say, first of all, the only reason that
people want to be in motorcycle ministry is because they
don't have to go through MC protocol to be established
as a motorcycle ministry.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Is that true or false? That necessary? It's true?

Speaker 7 (12:45):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah? There, it's true.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
And you got to think about the different areas because
a lot of people don't want that's a church.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Leave the church alone. You can't mess with the church.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Although if you and this is my belief, met we
got to do this thing that we said we were
going to do about the motorcycle industry. If you I
believe that if you are going to intermingle with the
MC set, I don't care where you are, north, southeast
or west, you should at least abide by the protocol

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about the protocol because if not, then everything that they
say about the motorcycle ministry becomes actual that they don't
have to follow our protocols. Why should we give them
respect because they don't have to follow our protocols. They
go around talking about, Oh God is my God? Is
the one that wrote my protocols? Okay, yes he did.
He wrote our protocols. He wrote what we are to

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do as a ministry. At the same time, I'm coming
into an area where I have to respect the culture.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I did. I didn't start this.

Speaker 7 (13:54):
God's words Motorcycle Ministry did not start to after ten
years of being on the set. Wow, ten years. I've
been in and out of motorcycle clubs. I've been mingling
with social clubs. I've been in and out of outlaw clubs,
speaking to the OEMC, speaking to the dominance and everything.

(14:14):
And when it came down to it, Loigie and you
know you good. That's how easy it was.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I say that ten years to me.

Speaker 7 (14:24):
No, no, no, I'm talking about that's how easy it
was for us to start. I say that, but hear
me now, even though I say yes, they don't really
necessarily have to get all this permission we did. We
sat down with the dominance, we and had to really
explain Lavish we're not an EMC because it was hard

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for them to understand. We're not an EMC. We're not
going to have parties. We not We're not going to
have parties. We're not gonna have anniversaries. We're not gonna
do this.

Speaker 10 (14:59):
What do you here to do?

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Logic? We're here to serve. What do you want from?
What do you want from the set? Logic? Nothing. I've
never been to an MM annual.

Speaker 11 (15:12):
I ain't never heard of them exactly, never been one.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
You know, we don't have them. Now.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
There's there's motorcycle ministries out there that I respect that
have bike blessings, but that's a bite blessing.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
That's what it's out of church, you know what I'm saying.
That's not an annual party. Hey, y'all, come in party,
you know.

Speaker 7 (15:35):
But the the misunderstanding about what a motorcycle ministry's and
a lot of people think motorcycle ministries are threats.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
The brotherhood.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's good to see you guys, y'all keeping up quite
a store and out there. Thanks for showing up on
the show and taking a second to speak out.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Go ahead, thanks ahead, Levis, What do you say?

Speaker 12 (15:57):
I just think, ma'am, after being around for a while,
there's a lane for everybody, just like in everything that
people do, right, I mean, you know, granted, you're going
to get a lot of guys like me and some
other ones that look at other clubs that are not
motorcycle clubs per se traditional motorcycle clubs, and we probably

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just look at them side eye. But you know they're
not in our way, we don't, you know, they they're
in their own lane. Like when you look at the
HOG members, the HOG groups. You know, there are a
motorcycle organization in their own lane, and we just look
at them like okay.

Speaker 7 (16:39):
And you know when you when you start to see
how a motorcycle manages, how we get respect is the
main thing. What's the main thing for any motorcycle organization?
Do you ride your bike? Do you ride? MC is
getting on each other about are they they got a whole?

(17:00):
They got a whole. Twelve people in the club, only
one motorcycle. You know, I actually had a guy ask
me can he join the ministry but he don't have
a bike. I said no. The first word in our
in our organization is motorcycle, motorcycle ministry. You don't have
a motorcycle, you cannot join the ministry, not st So.

Speaker 11 (17:17):
You turned the brother away?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Then, yeah, because we have a motorcycle.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
The Lord.

Speaker 11 (17:23):
Yeah, how do you think the Lord felt about it?

Speaker 7 (17:26):
Okay, you cannot you cannot get into Heaven unless you
accept Jesus.

Speaker 11 (17:30):
If you're a Christian that you know he's accepting the ministry, he.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Might walk up to it. He could steal the windstoles
for the Lord.

Speaker 11 (17:38):
How do you know that wasn't a prophet himself in
the flesh.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Like I said, like Dragon earlier, there's a thing called discerning.
You cannot be in the motorcycle ministry and not have
not this one and not have a motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
And you have to ride your bike. We ride. We
ride all over the country.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
Okay, you know so so so yeah, so you were
gonna say, uh, I mean, I can feed off a question,
but I can.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I can keep talking at that, but.

Speaker 12 (18:10):
Yeah, no, I was just I just, you know, with
the whole motorcycle ministry stuff. Man, I'm wanna be honest
with you. I don't, you know, put it in no
type of way outside of me actually being introduced to
somebody or actually personally knowing somebody in a motorcycle.

Speaker 11 (18:25):
Ministry, a HOG member or you know, anything else. I
wanna be honest.

Speaker 10 (18:30):
I don't.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
I don't and that could be rude for it. But
I don't even talk to those people, man. I mean,
I mean, because I've known you, I was introduced to you.
Outside of that just just a general passing by. I
would speak hat what's going on and keep it moving.
And I don't even know if that's just like just

(18:53):
I don't know if I'm the only one that does
that kind of stuff. I don't know if it's just
a motorcycle thing where it's just like we just look
at them as they're not one of us.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
So a lot of people do a lot of people
do unless like like the reason why I say, you
talk to me, unless they get to know the people
I've been around. I've been around the Dallar set before
I did this, and people knew what I wanted to do.
I made it known what I wanted to do ten
years ago.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Miss Uh.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
Do mms have hang arounds? We just call it comeing
and have fellowship with us. We just have it's a
different name because we run like a motorcycle club.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Do you guys run like a motorcycle club where you
have prospects hang arounds and I don't call them. Do
you have row captains, presidents, President?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yes? Yes.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
Do we have to have those titles? No, we can
change the titles because we are a ministry. But since
in our organization and our setup, we want to make
sure that we are seen as legitimate. If you want
to say that we were gonna we we're going to
be around we we voted on those titles Okay, yeah,

(20:05):
we can have those titles president, vice president. Our sergeant
in arms is really the ministry leader, but you know
it's a sergeant arms. We have a treasure we have
a secretary. We don't have a road captain yet because
you know, yeah, but y'all don't, right, because we don't ride.

Speaker 11 (20:25):
They lead by faith, not by sight.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Leave.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yeah, Jay, we we just we have yeah. We we
just don't call them prospects.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
The people that want to hang around with with with
the warriors, we say, come on and have fellowship with us.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
We have fellowship rights. We just don't. We just changed
the name. It's not that we don't have. We don't have.
We just changed the name making up stuff as y'all
goal man.

Speaker 7 (20:54):
No, no, no, no, because like I said, in our area,
in our area, when I was speaking to the own c's,
it was it was difficult to explain the difference between
Motorcycle Ministry and motorcycle club.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, so do that for us now, what is the
difference between Motorcycle Ministry and motycle That happens to be?

Speaker 7 (21:15):
Motorcycle Ministry our primary, our primary mission, our primary identity
is ministry. We're here to help, We're here in our
our club, I mean our club, our ministry. We have
all of everybody in our ministry as a counselor marriage
counselor grief counselor chaplain. Everybody you pastor ministers that that's

(21:40):
what you can, that's what's in our ministry.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
We're here to.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
Like yesterday we talked about people that showed up at
the hospital.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I've been to.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
People will call me, I've been to the hospitals two
o'clock in the morning. Somebody done went down, somebody didn't
have their helmet on. Pastor, can you come here. I
have done bike lessons. I have done all that, and
that's what they see us as. At the same time,
Do you ride your motorcycle? I don't know about no
other set, but I know here logic. Do y'all ride

(22:09):
your motorcycle? Yes, we ride our motorcycles. What they do
not expect, what they do not expect. And I had
already set a precedence before I started the MM is
that when I'm at the OEMC clubhouse on a Friday,
I'm there.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Ear I'm there.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
Before everybody else get there, Lavish I get there. I'm
there to meet and greet with the OMC, I'm gone
before the party starts, and they got used to that.

Speaker 11 (22:39):
I mean, but that's cool.

Speaker 12 (22:40):
I mean, I'm listening to what you said, and you
said it before you're you're you're doing a little bit
more than what I've seen some of the other ministry
people do.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Ministry people.

Speaker 12 (22:52):
I mean, I'm just saying, I don't listen, man, I
don't know what to call them, the ministry, motorcycle ministry.
What I mean by that is that, you know, listening
to him saying what he said, I've seen less being
done with some of the ones that I know that's
around here.

Speaker 11 (23:09):
They won't come to places like that.

Speaker 12 (23:11):
If it's not a if it's not a bike blessing
or some type of charity ride, You're not going to
see those people at any of these clubhouses or any
of these club organizations or any of these club things.

Speaker 11 (23:25):
I'm lucky enough to have them come out to my event.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
But here it go.

Speaker 12 (23:29):
It's just like you had said about the Harley Dealership
being a safe ground. You know, they'll come out to
the Harley Dealership, you know, because it's a safe ground,
is not a it's not a place where they feel like,
oh I don't know if I be looked upon if
I if I'm here, you know, versus being at a club,
a motorcycle club, where they know what goes on there

(23:49):
or whatnot.

Speaker 11 (23:52):
I mean, but for the most part, man, I just
look at those guys to be again in their own lane.

Speaker 12 (24:01):
A lot of them just have motorcycles and they share
that passion, just like other bikers and other motorcycle clubs
share certain things. So you know, that's like where they
can go and be amongst each other and share the
saying common thing. I don't think that, you know, some
of the people that be in their real holy beliefs

(24:22):
feel real comfortable being around guys with different beliefs. You know,
you got the ministry people that's probably sitting around. They
don't want to be around drugs, they don't want to
be around liquor, they don't want to be around us.
So why would they subject themselves to that environment when
they can be around other people that's.

Speaker 11 (24:41):
Talking about the Bible. It's just like car racers.

Speaker 12 (24:44):
We're gonna be so competitive about who got the fastest
car or who got the fastest bike. And I'm sure
that you got these motorcycle ministry guys. They go back
at it about probably scriptures in the Bible or they.

Speaker 11 (24:57):
Have Oh they don't. Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm just assumed. Let me say this what you said.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
They're Lane.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
There are different people that are different ministries Lane different
not Lane Lane. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yep, that have
different callings. That there are things that I'll do that
another ministry won't do. I don't look down on that ministry.
They just don't have the same calling that I have.

(25:26):
One thing I will not do if I came to
the Lavish biker bash, if it's say God's Worriors came
to the Lavish biker bash, what you will not see
is a set up a tent, be with my Bible
trying to preach at your event.

Speaker 13 (25:39):
You won't see that because I'll probably listen, go ahead,
let him say you will say what? Go ahead say
it like, listen, you can set up, you can set up.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
You can't.

Speaker 11 (25:55):
I did not say he can't. I said that.

Speaker 12 (25:58):
I will probably say, hey, man, you can set up
your tent and you can put your stuff out, man,
but we we're not having Sunday service here exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
And that's and that's what and that's because his Bible
touch you today.

Speaker 12 (26:15):
You know, I might send them over there to say,
you know, logic. Listen, hey, in ten minutes, man, you
think you can get ready to lead us in his prayer?

Speaker 10 (26:23):
Whatever? Okay?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Cool?

Speaker 12 (26:24):
And then you know I will call people to come
around because he has his tent set up. He has this,
you know, his his his thing, his presentation. And I
introduced him. Hey man, you know this is this is
logic from the most ministries. And uh, he's going to
lead us off in prayer or you know whatever, whatever whatever,
And that's it and that and that's ship.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
There is the way I teach, the way I teach
in our ministry, and the way I teach in our church.
Your your walk is your walk is uh the light.
I don't have to show up with him by it
because I know about it. I don't have to come
up here and say I'm coming here to lay hands
on the sevent that's not because that will run people away.
That'll push people away. When I show up, people already

(27:07):
know who I am. And that's why we have to
get out and let people know who we are. When
I show up at an O m C. They know
who I am. I don't have to get up there
and say I'm I don't have to say that at all.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Man.

Speaker 12 (27:18):
I went into a cup. I actually a blank dragon.
I said, do you know past? You know logic?

Speaker 11 (27:23):
They said, who?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, I hadn't heard of them.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
You're not here.

Speaker 11 (27:27):
But I was in Dallas.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
I was.

Speaker 11 (27:28):
I was in the in the Metroplex.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I was.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Somebody said they didn't know logic. Yeah. I was like, hey, man,
you heard a lotic do you know logic? Who? He said,
for the motorcycle ministries, We don't, dude. Let me push.

Speaker 7 (27:49):
Finish my thought. So when I go, when I go,
I don't have to do all that. They will come
to me and we'll walk away. Because when thing you
don't want to do is make somebody uncomfortable with a ministry.
If a ministry shows up and everybody get just like
you said, leveraging people. When OMC has come to the clubhouses,

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sometimes people get uncomfortable, like, oh, what's gonna get popped off?
When a lot of people, when they see ministries come,
they'll say, okay, here come to church, boys, here come
to church people.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
We can't smoke, we can't drink. We can't do this
and say that.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Let me.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Can I finish? Can I finish? Please? Please?

Speaker 7 (28:32):
If I am coming to your event, I ain't saying
coming to my event. If I'm coming to your event
and I know it's an MC anniversary, I know there's
gonna be drinking there.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I know that, So I don't expect nobody to stop
drinking when I come. I can win souls. I can
minister the people. Why you're doing what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
It's not me that change.

Speaker 11 (29:00):
But logie, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
People should, out of respect, act a certain way around
the minister, or they do or they.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Do and they do. But it's not our position.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
It's not our position to come in here and say,
somebody ask in the chapmol do you think we're heathens?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
No, it's not in our position to come to your
event and says, you know.

Speaker 7 (29:23):
What, all y'all going to hell because y'all out here
smoking and drinking and I'm here, God, sit me here
and this get.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
You, you know what out of here.

Speaker 12 (29:32):
Now I've seen I've seen people, you know, they do change.
But then I also see the religious people tell them, hey, man,
be yourself. Do you don't treat me no different, man,
I'm here to have a good time, just like you.
Don't try to act you know different. If you smoke, smoke,
drink drink, don't change because of me.

Speaker 11 (29:51):
I've heard that. I got to get up over here, man.
I'm about to go ahead and start working on this window.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Man.

Speaker 12 (29:57):
I got my helper here, so I'm about to do that.
And I know it's about to be a little noisy,
so why I got another pair of hands. I gotta
take advantage of it, all right.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
All right, But.

Speaker 7 (30:13):
When you when you see when I see and ministries,
when I've seen a lot of ministries, churches and motorcycle ministries.
And one thing, one thing that gives churches and ministries
a bad rap, is us we we forget how to

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minister the people. I don't I didn't say I won't.
I said I don't have to when I go out
into the street under the bridge, black Dragon and serve
the homeless. You know what I tell people not to do.
I to them, don't bring your bible. What you mean
to bring your bible?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Because your walk should be your ministry.

Speaker 7 (30:54):
I can walk and speak to somebody and be preaching
to them, and they have no clue that I'm doing.
I don't have to say book chapter verse because I'm
well versed in what God told me to do.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
A motorcycle ministry.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
Different facets, different calling can fit on a motorcycle set
as long as they're doing what God called them to do. Now,
the biggest problem is, but you what we talked about yesterday.
I wanted to get that is when you have a
preacher it's in a motorcycle ministry or a motorcycle ministry

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that's getting high and drunken and doing and throwing money
at the stripper.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Along with the rest of the people.

Speaker 7 (31:35):
And they was like, well, how are you because of
the perception of the community, how are you a preacher?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
How are you going to minister to me? And you're
doing the exact thing that I'm doing, And what's your
answer to that?

Speaker 7 (31:48):
My answer is that that that person is a little lost.
Let me say I wish Big Bone. I want to
say this to Big Bone when he was on yesterday
because this came from one of his brothers and I
was visiting this before motorcycle ministry.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm just a preacher.

Speaker 7 (32:03):
I'm visiting the MC clubhouse and they gave me one
of the brothers gave me a card and I looked,
it's logic, man, tell you that. I looked at that.
I laughed, and I gave it back and I said,
he said, man, He said, man, bro, I wouldn't be
a good host if I did not offer that to you.

(32:24):
And I laughed, and he said, and you wouldn't be
sitting here if you took it. And then he told me, logic,
you've been tested so many times in this clubhouse.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, I mess something, I miss something.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
It was it was it was it was it was
a it was a coupon to a strip club. Okay,
got you, okay, And he said, logic, you've been tested
so many times. Do you know how many times preacher
has been up in here? And then when when the
when the po's come in here, when somebody come in here,
they all over them and everything, you know how, he said, and.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
We kick them out.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
He said, you're supposed to be ministering to us. He said,
you one of the realist not to my own points,
you're one of the realist preachers that is out here.
That's why we respect you.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, it's why I respect you too. And that's what
I want to share with people because I have so
our getting to know one another has been over a
period of years, and as I look back over that
period of years when I didn't even know who you were,

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you were always still reaching out like a minister and
giving support and backing and blessings.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
And the the biggest thing that I'll always.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Remember about you is when I was going through the
crisis of my motorcycle club career, facing off against the
national president and my motorcycle club, and you called me
out of the blue to say, I don't want to
know nothing about your business. I don't want to know

(34:08):
nothing about I'm not asking you about your business or
what you're going through or or I don't want the
juicy stuff. I just want to know if you're okay.
I just want to make sure to pray for you
and give you the support to know if you're okay
and doing well. That's all I That's all I care about.

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I don't even you know, you don't know me, and uh,
but you know I'm a minister and I just want
to pray for you. Can I would you mind if
I pray for you?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
That was that was some motorcycle ministry as hid and
you know, and there's some of us that and you
didn't think a bible and you didn't throw a bible.
And there's some people that, in my opinion, I'm an apologist.
Some people that take it that do take it too far. No,

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your surroundings know your environments. Adapt to your environments to
achieve your goal. No, your surroundings know your environment, adapt
to your environment to achieve your goals. There are motorcycle
ministries to lavish point. There are motorcycle ministries that will
come into an event, shake everybody's hand, and jet. There's
some that won't even come to your event.

Speaker 7 (35:22):
We say, the way I was taught, motorcycle ministries is
a safe place for believers to gather together and ride
and have their fun and love to ride.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
They don't.

Speaker 7 (35:32):
They're not thinking about They call themselves motorcycle ministries, but
they're not thinking about ministering to the set. You can't
call them they're not coming to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, but that's their lane. Excuse me? And then how
are they a motorcycle ministry?

Speaker 7 (35:47):
But see that's their call them. They minister to themselves.
Their ministry is them being separate from everybody else. And
you can't if they're not doing no harm. Then you
can't put them down. You can't make everybody do what
you do.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
All Uh.

Speaker 7 (36:10):
All MC clubs are not monolithic. They're different, right, So
all motorcycle ministries are not monolithic. The difference, excuse me,
between a Christian MC and a motorcycle ministry. Most Christians,
and I'm not saying all of them, most Christian mcs.
They're they're just like a motorcycle club, but they just

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happen to be Christians.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, ahead, go ahead say something.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
We need to have help fighter Steve on. And we
do need to have help Fighter Steve On. And if
help Fighter Steve, if you're looking in the background, man,
send me a message so I can send you a
link because I would love to talk to him about
this too.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Somebody as something. Yeah, oh that was funny.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Motorcycles are mentioned in the Bible right in the part
where David Stugeliath that says and when David Stuglia at
the sound of his triumph was hers throughout the land triumph.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
What okay?

Speaker 4 (37:12):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Read that the entry?

Speaker 7 (37:15):
What it says, logic, I can respect what you're doing
in your lane, in the lane you're doing it in
but when you give your opinion and views that are
not in the lane you ride, which lies the problem.
I don't understand that last part. What time was that
eleven twenty one? It's the second to last one.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Oh, logic.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I can respect what you're doing in the lane you're
doing it in, but when you give your opinion and views. Okay,
So what he's trying to say, I think is when
you give your opinion and views about like maybe when
you were a bad guy or when you were in
your previous life, and that's not in the laney, right,

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And I think that might.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Be what he's talking about.

Speaker 7 (38:05):
Everybody has a past. The reason why I'm here is
because of my past, right. The only reason why I
can hang out in the community and it doesn't bother me.
The only reason why I can hang around people that
drink and smoke because I've been there, done that, is
don't it doesn't affect me anymore, Been there, done that.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I don't need to drink anymore. I was a drunk.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
I was a drunk, and I don't need to do
that anymore. So when I see it, I can recognize it.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I know how to help.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I know what the people are going through Drian. I
would love it if you sent me that curriculum. I
would love to see that curriculum. Minister in the MC community.
I would love to see that curriculum. As a matter
of fact, you can send it to me at Black
Dragon at Black sabathmsee dot com.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I would love to see that.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Man.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Y'all have heard me say many times before.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Me and Black Dragon be going back and forth and
we're talking and.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
He was like, what, you're a preacher.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
You can do that.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Y'all just don't understand the way I grew up. When
people found when my hometown found out I was a preacher,
people called me for some laugh, some cry because they said,
I can't believe this is the person that God chose
to be a preacher the way he grew up. And
I had to change. And then when God called me

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to the church, that's one thing. But when he called
me to ride a motorcycle, I had no inclination of
riding a motorcycle until that one time my wife and
I went to a bike night and the Lord said,
you need to expand your outreach ministry to this culture.
And it took me ten years to learn. I didn't

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just jump in it, because you can't help anybody if
you don't understand.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Oh, I had him wrong, you know when you're talking
about MC protocol because that's not your lane.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
Wow, Really, when I speak MC protocol, y'all, y'all gonna hear.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Me when you speak on issues that are going on
on the MC set, which he also jumps on Lavish
because he says Lavish is in a co ed club,
so how can Lavish possibly be talking about any others?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Well, I would say this to the The MC show.

Speaker 7 (40:27):
If I didn't know and didn't understand MC protocol, I
wouldn't have been allowed on the DC on the Dallas set,
wouldn't have been allowed. They wouldn't want me around. They
wouldn't let me in their clubhouse. That's just how it
is out here.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Logic.

Speaker 7 (40:44):
You know how to act, you know. I've sat down
with with with the ogs. I sat down with with
OG's from from Outcast Nation that came from Atlanta, that
came up here. I sat down with these guys that
that's that helped start the the Atlanta che Actor and
and just sat there and gleaned in from them.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
They taught me a whole lot, And they said you
need to know even.

Speaker 10 (41:06):
If you are.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
So, do I correct people on MC protocol? Nope, I don't.
I can. I'll talk about it.

Speaker 7 (41:15):
I'll talk with like Dragon about it. I'll talk on
my phone about it. But I'm not out here telling
then MC what to do and what not to do
at all.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Well, I think he just takes issue with the fact
that you're even on the show at all.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
But uh, he's been on He's been kind of on
that for a while.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
When it comes to you, he said, logic, logic joins
my Bible study.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Sometimes. This is Bishop from Riding for Jesus MC and Kelly.
Oh yeah, yes, my brother watch. Yeah, I watched his
Bible studies.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I would really like to see that curriculum because we
are working on a Uh. You and I are working
on a book called four or or Chaplains on the
Bike Set and Motorcycle Ministration.

Speaker 7 (42:05):
I've been I was asked to be a chaplain of
a couple of o mcs, and I turned it down
because that wasn't the lane that I was supposed to
be going there just too, I ain't ain't a whole
I'm not saying a whole bunch of seeds and knocking
down my door.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
And but that'd be a lot. I think it would
be cool. I think it would be very cool.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
But I'm not here on the Dallas, and I'm not
the I'm not the only one out here on this set.
There's there's another there's another pastor and he used to
be in the MC. I think he used to be
the president. I'm thinking that he used to be the
president of his MC. Now he's a pastor and he
has he has his movie. So uh yeah, so so

(43:00):
so anyway, so we was was talking about that because
there are a lot of there are a lot of
things that people don't know about motorcycle ministries and if
they supposed to follow protocol. My opinion again, I believe
that we all should follow protocol if we're going to
be mingling with the MC clubs. Because one thing in

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the church, you know, in the church, we hugging somebody,
we gotta hug somebody. Well, you go out there, you
go out on the set, and you don't know a protocol,
and you go out there and hugging somebody with your
gloves on them, you rubbing them all on their back.
And now now you're to violated disrespecting them.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But I didn't know. Why didn't you know?

Speaker 7 (43:37):
You know, So we have to we have to understand
the protocol. If we're gonna mingle.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You keep talking, I have to redo my sound out
in order to get this phone call in. Okay, So
I'm gonna redo my sound you keep talking.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
So I'm looking at I'm looking at a lot of
the comments. Let me turn my monitor. I don't know,
somebody grab someone say hit monitor.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
You can hear me.

Speaker 7 (44:05):
I have come across in the past ten years are
about themselves and a lot of them using it as
an excuse to sin, hang out to do bike stuff
that they claim to be ministering, uh to do for
And and I understand that is that that is an
element that's out there just just like just like people

(44:26):
going to church. Yeah baby, I'm going to church, but
you're messing around with the with the choir member. I mean,
a lot of that stuff does happen. And can it
give motorcycle ministries a bad name? Absolutely? Can it keep
people to force people to ostracize motorcycle ministry, Absolutely, But

(44:46):
that shouldn't stop people like us and other motorcycle ministries
here in that here in Texas and and DC and
California and everything. It shouldn't stop us from doing our mission.
We let what the what the I ain't call him bad.
But if we let what the mischievous guys do stop us,
then were we really called to do what we were doing.

(45:09):
So yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it. And like
like I said before, a lot of these on the
seas are testing these so called ministers. I test the ministers.
I test your calling. If you tell me you're a minister,
and then I see your I observe your your behavior.
Do we all slip? Yes, we all slip. But this

(45:29):
shouldn't be a constant type of thing. It shouldn't be
every time you see Logic out here on his bike,
he got a he got a joint in his hand
and a drink.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Every time you see him. You might see him one
time with with a beer, but every time you see
him and.

Speaker 7 (45:48):
Then he's falling off his bike. And first thing they'll
say is he ain't no minister. I wouldn't go to
his church man. He's just like them other preachers. And
we'll put that same ideology on the motorcycle ministries. I'm
trying to reach out to all motorcycle ministry see if
we can come together and do something big.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I know there are we're new, We're the new kids
on the block.

Speaker 7 (46:10):
I've been around a while, but our ministry new kids
on the block, and we need to to link up
with others and just talk about things like this. Just
like EMC's uh filter out people that come into the
EMC to make sure that MC is not it doesn't
have a bad look. Motorcycle Ministry need to say do

(46:30):
the same thing. You can't come in here and then
go out there and people looking at you doing all
this stuff that's against quote unquote our bylaws.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
You know.

Speaker 7 (46:42):
So so yeah, yeah, thank you Logic for telling the
truth and in a practical correct way.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
You know. I am.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
My walk and and my walk and my my my
vice president, my vice president. He is a pastor of
a church. He's a name Navy veteran as well. He
has a whole hym and his wife has a whole
or separate organization just for counseling, just for marriage counseling,
just for family counseling. I'm a certified grief counselor.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
I am aiden. I have of this is my bad y'all.

Speaker 7 (47:18):
I'm an emergency response chaplain, so is our sergeant arms,
our ministry leader.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
We do the work of ministry and we do it
on TUESDA. And let me tell you all this.

Speaker 7 (47:31):
We had a meeting. I'm gonna share this. We had
a meeting about quote unquote ministry rides. And our ministry
leader says, okay, let's define ministry.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
And we defined it.

Speaker 7 (47:43):
And they say, he says, well, all of our ministry
rides have to do ministry. If we're not doing ministry,
then it's nothing but a fellowship ride. That's how grandular
we get. And that's how if I can say, I
think I wish that all motorcycle ministry act that way. Yeah,
in their lane. You know, there's like the Christian motorcycle clubs.

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The Christian motorcycle clubs. They may they wear EMC, they
may they may do in more EMC stuff than we
do because they carry that EMC on their on their vest.
I've seen one patch, three patch Christian motorcycle clubs. I've

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met some of them. I've greeted with them, had a.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
Cigar with them.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
But you know, and all in all, we are guests
of the MC show.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
We are guests on the set, and what when you're
a guest on the set, you act accordingly. You've got
to know the rules of the set. You know, if
you're a guest in my house, know the rules of
my house. If you coming to my club. Okay, if
you come to my club and I know you're a minister,
want to I want to see if.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Uh h.

Speaker 10 (49:07):
Hold on the second guys, yeah, black.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Black Dragon be known. I be on these meetings at
the same time.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
But anyway, let me look at until they called my name. Uh,
let me look at these more questions here? What do
you what do you think about? Uh first wheelchair MC club?
I don't I don't know who that is. I like
listening to your logic. But how do you reconcile your

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reliance on firearms or protection versus your reliance on God
and his will?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Okay, let me let me let me say this and
and and and that's and that's a good question.

Speaker 7 (49:56):
When I was in the military, I had an abundance
of guns because I was a gun collector.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I was in the military.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
When I got out the military, I turned reckless again
and I sold all my all my guns.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I sold them all because I was reckless. I was
out here.

Speaker 7 (50:13):
I got back into college, and I was doing things
with my guns I shouldn't do. All right, I stopped
carrying guns because I was reckless. I'm matured. I have
this idea in the church, and y'all don't y'all don't
hate the pastor when when you say this. I have
this idea in the church that our protection comes from

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the Lord and not a gun. And people are arguing
the church pastors are going.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
You don't know that.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
You don't know the people are there, they coming here.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
We see people coming in churches shooting, shooting people up,
and we see that it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
When we ride.

Speaker 7 (50:52):
When we ride, I carry that same thought with me
when I when I take my side or with me
when I ride. It's it's in my saddle bag, locked up.
And I was asked, if you're not gonna wear it,
then why carry it? And I said, that's a good question,

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because I don't wear it.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I lock it up.

Speaker 7 (51:19):
Now what I will do I carry I carry knives
because of my martial artists.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
That is a form of protection.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Do I.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Believe God and the Holy Spirit will protect me and
from all hurt, harm and danger?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Absolutely? Badest sucker in the valley. At the same time,
my whole family. I have taught my whole.

Speaker 7 (51:43):
Family, make sure my whole family knows how to protect
and defend themselves.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
He was a man of God.

Speaker 7 (51:52):
I'm i'm a I'm a I'm I'm a mixture David
Peter uh and and uh Jeptham.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
So, so that's how I about him, That's how I
really rationalize. All Right, we got the MC show on.
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (52:12):
Man?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, we got the MC Show on. He's called in
Uh yes, so he has a few questions. Who logic? Okay,
I'm listening. All right, Shoot Clark.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I can't hear him. You can't hear him. He's real
low all right, keep talking.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I hear him.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I hear him. Great, you don't hear him.

Speaker 10 (52:45):
I can hear.

Speaker 7 (52:45):
I can tell he's talking, but I can't comprehend what
he's saying because it's real love.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Just relate a question, black k can we uh? Can
the audience here? You turn it out?

Speaker 7 (53:07):
I just turned you very loud, black dragon to me. No,
they say they can't hear him either.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
All right, let me.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Let me disconnect him and then connect him back. M hmm,
all right, are you there?

Speaker 2 (53:36):
We're standing at six members now you still can't hear him?
Oh well, you loud man. I turned you up. You loud.
I'm loud. Yes, huh. I don't know, like one down said,
he's very very low, very low he is.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, that sucks. Okay, hey, Clark. The only way to
get you in I gotta no, the caring ain't working.
Something's wrong with this board.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You can I can get you in. I can get
you in on the video. You want me to send
you a link you can come in on. No, the
caring ain't working.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I'll send you a link on the video and you
and you just just don't have your your screen on
or cover your screen and then you can just talk
like you're talking on the phone.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Okay, all right, So I'm gonna send you a link
right now. All right, I don't know what the hell
what's going on with this thing? Let me send him
a link.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
He's been wanting to get at you for a long time,
my bro, But not everybody, not everybody wants is comfortable
with the visual thing.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
Uh okay, So let me say, are all mister all
loved the what's that?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Mister all.

Speaker 7 (55:06):
All over the place, all over they looked like all lover.
I wasn't going to say that that. So, how many
mms on the black bike set versus how many mms
on the white set? Who has bridged the gaps of
culture between the two. I have not been around any
blacks on on set offset. How many recognized there are?

(55:34):
I don't know how many quote unquote motorcycle ministries are
on the white set or quote unquote Christian motorcycle clubs,
I believe, and what I've wrong to know that on
the black set, if we're dividing it up, they're mainly
motorcycle ministries, not Christian motorcycle clubs. And I could be

(55:59):
wrong because I just haven't seen any quote unquote on
the black set Christian motorcycle clubs there from there's a
lot of them on a black set, That's what I'm saying.
I just have I have not seen them, That's what
I say, Man, I have not seen them.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I don't know how.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
I can't give a number. There's a lot of Christian
motorcycle club not MM.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, just Christian black Christian mocycle clubs. Okay, okay, Well,
our Black Sabbath was considered a black christiancycle.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
We got a cross. We got a cross on our
back for you gonna say that.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
Wasn't your designation though you were an MC right.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Now, but we were Christians, Christian MC is a regular MC.
An MM is not okay, So we got okay, So
we got him on. Now welcome to the show, mister,
the MC show. Mister cameo, okay, can everybody hear me?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Now?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
What about you hear me? That logic?

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Now?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Now I got to turn it down. Okay.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
First, first thing I wanted I want to say, man,
is I appreciate y'all giving me the time and the
space to come on here. And I want to say
this to say this first thing, logic. I have nothing,
nothing personal or nothing like that against you or anybody

(57:33):
else that's you know, in the UH and UH you
know that's doing the kind of work that you're doing,
or the Christian.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Clubs or whatever you know, any of that. My My
thing is logic. That the only thing that I you
know that I wish.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
That when y'all talk about certain topics or certain things
I have to do with the MC, whether it's with
the O m c's or going on with.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
The ninety nines.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
My thing is, I'd rather hear you come from the
coming from the angle of a spiritual side of things.
It seemed like when you discuss things you're it's like
you're talking more about or you're more incert in how
the MC uh. You know what they're doing and you're

(58:23):
questioning that whether you agree with or not agree with it,
but you're not speaking from a spiritual point of what
is going on. And that is that's what made me
want to say something to Black Dragon as far as like,
what is it that these missionary the MM clubs do

(58:43):
or the Christian clubs do, because whenever I've seen them,
it's just like you spoke about. I seen them on
the bike set. I seen them at parties. I don't
see them passing out no type of scriptures or they're
not talking about God, they're not talking about the you
know what I mean, They're having a good time like
everybody else. You know what I'm saying. But again, but

(59:06):
as far as your contribution to the show from your
side of it, whenever there's you know, topics that are
going on, like I said, in the MC's where it's
it's violent, you know, whatever the case may be, I'd
rather hear you speaking about how to make it better
from the spiritual side of it, and that's where you

(59:28):
don't really speak on. And that's all I wanted to
That's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
Okay, and I appreciate I appreciate that. I appreciate that,
And there are ways to come from a spiritual point
of view without quoting scriptures. True, Yeah, you know, I could.
My whole demeanor is I want to bring things. I

(59:59):
would love to have the violence stop and things of
that nature. I say a lot to black dragon that
black dragon just ignore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I would say it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
I say a lot of black dragon that black dragons
ignore us. And when it does come to a lot
of the OMC things, I just I believe that I
ask questions that try to get a better understanding, because
without understanding that we can go, we can go in

(01:00:28):
many different ways.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
That's just my belief.

Speaker 7 (01:00:31):
I understand where coming because I've been told before a
lot of you don't need to be talking about MC protocol,
you don't need to be talking about and I got
that from preachers, and I said, but I think if
God called me to be in this position, then there
is something that he'll use me to say, because I've
been on both sides of the tracks. I've been on
how we say both both inside and outside of the Bible.

(01:00:55):
You know, I know how the streets move, But how
can I add my voice coming from a spiritual sense
without quoting matt and Matthew Chapter five, verse six. People
get tired of that, and they run away from that.
And a true ministry knows that and understands that. So
now just use your position, use your love for people,

(01:01:20):
and be on and be able to conversate with them
in a way where they'll understand it, but really not
getting in their way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I believe that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 7 (01:01:30):
If I if I'm not doing that, then I'll still
have to to try and do that a little bit
more and be more concise with that. You know, I
still get upset. I still get mad. I get mad
at preachers. I get mad I'm told I don't told preachers, Hey,
I'm just you just leave me alone. You're going and

(01:01:50):
you know, and worship God and everything on that side.
I'll stay over here because there's sometimes there's times where
people will get they'll test you, they'll test your the
enemy will test who you used to be and I
try constantly to keep that person at bay. But I
appreciate everything you said, though I understand, and I do understand.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Because like you know, and and I've said this, I've
said this to to to Dragon as well. Right, you know,
which is you know, just like like yourself, like like lavish,
you know, every you know, it seemed like, you know,
everything is geared.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
The show is geared towards you know, not all of it,
not all of us.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
So I'm not gonna say all of it, but but
a lot of it is geared towards, geared towards what's
wrong in the MC?

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
What? What? What?

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
What are some of the bad things? What are what
are some things that y'all talk about? Some good things?
So I'm not going to say that it's that it's
all bad. But here's the thing. There are a lot
of things that are wrong in motorcycle ministries. There are
a lot of things that are wrong in co ed clubs.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
In fact, what you know, we're lavish, And my whole
thing is is that that's not those topics of those
those subjects are not being talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
It's always the MC things And so those.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Are those those are the issues that I have because
because a lot of us don't know what's going on
in the motorcycle ministries, the bad things, right, So so
why can't there be some some topics and discussions that
that we can learn from about what's going the good
and the bad and the motorcycle industries.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Because we got logics sitting right up there that can
tell us.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
He knows what's going on, what's bad and what's good, right,
but but we don't know what's happening, you know what
I'm saying. So that's all. So that's all I'm saying,
is like, let's make it. Let's make it fair for
for for for all, for all the you know, all
the things that each one of you are a part of.

(01:03:59):
Let's let's talk about, you know, the most of it.
Let's talk about the co ed the co ed clubs.
You know what I'm saying, the good and the bad,
you know what I mean. So that's all I wanted
to say. Man, I appreciate you know, you just taking
time out, man, you know, to hear me out and
everything like that. I just I just wanted to call
because I ain't want I don't want nobody thinking or

(01:04:19):
you thinking or that I that I got something against
you know what I'm saying, it's just to think of
just trying to understand, just trying to get a better understanding,
you know what I'm saying of how y'all do things?

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:04:34):
Yeah, and I understand and you and you're You're absolutely right.
There are things that oh wow, how can I say this?
There are things that I have have been involved with
or had to contend with within motorcycle ministries, within with raachers,
and how I view or interpret, not interpret, but how

(01:04:59):
I view God's calling in ministry and then connected with
the motorcycle ministry, and then when I look at other
motorcycle ministries, I'm like, hey man, we ain't supposed to
be doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Oh we're doing it like this?

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Nah, bro right, that ain't right, you know, And.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I'm gonna say it here it is. And I was
asked a question.

Speaker 7 (01:05:20):
I said it earlier when I was asked, when we
were asked sitting in front of the MCS, what do
y'all want from the set? And we said nothing, we
don't want anything from the set. We're here to serve.
I've heard it, and I've been taught this by mcs.
Don't come to the set to profit off the set. Now,
that was an MC thing. I internalize that, and when

(01:05:44):
I see motorcycle ministries profiting off the set, I go
to that preacher and said, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
You should do that. I think that's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:05:56):
I don't think you should do that. I don't think
you should. I don't think you should be proudly on
the set.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I don't pass around an off damn day long, I don't.

Speaker 10 (01:06:05):
I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:06:06):
I don't pass around an offering trade when I go
out and do ministry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Why should you not profit off the ship? That don't
even make no kind.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Of yeah, you know what, I'm gonna tell you something,
a logic.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
You know what, Man, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Tell you something too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
If you're not giving a minute, I have to. I
have to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
I have to agree with Black Dragon on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
I don't know if I I don't know if I.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Can necessarily say, man that there's something that that there's
something wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
I gotta. I gotta agree with Black Dragon on that.

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
Watch all that I am doing, I'm not giving nothing.
I'm not I'm not coming. I'm not supporting your your organization.
I'm not doing anything with you, but I want you
to give me money.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Well that's great. You don't think something wrong with that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
I don't think there's anything because aren't you aren't you
buying food?

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Aren't you buying sodas?

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
And you know what I'm saying, like you, you are
contributing when you go there, right you you are getting
so if.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
You're going to get money.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
But but but again, if you're going there to buy food,
you're going there to you know, to eat and stuff
like that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
I don't if it's all if it's all in the
name of God, then I don't think there's anything wrong
with that. As long as the money is being used
to forward you guys agenda, I don't think there's anything
wrong with that.

Speaker 7 (01:07:24):
And I'm not understanding and I understand that because we
all do. We all do offerings at church.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah, when we got it, I have a whole without money,
I have a whole. I have a whole.

Speaker 7 (01:07:36):
Podcast I'm still putting together that we're gonna kick out
and it's called the title is I told people before
what happened to the money? And it's about it's about
when we go out and we're saying we're doing a
benefit ride. Now, when we do a benefit ride, their
money has to be there because somebody gotta get something,

(01:07:57):
gotta get paid, food, gotta get bought in everything. If
I if I'm out here saying I'm doing the benefit
ride for Black Dragon to have shoulder surgery, and y'all
respect me, and I said, y'all give money to so
we're gonna do this benefit ride for Black Dragon have
shoulder surgery. And Black Dragon has no idea that I'm
doing this. Black Dragon doesn't get it. I'm using his

(01:08:22):
name and I got the money. And then y'all said,
on the strength of logic, we don't he done collected
ten thousand dollars on the strength of logic, and then
Black Dragon said he did what. I ain't nothing wrong
with my shoulder, there's nothing wrong with my shoulder. Where
did ten thousand dollars go? Well, we gave it to

(01:08:43):
that ministry over there because they're on the strength of
them we gave And then I'm ghost somebody, Well that's
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
That's wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
Yes, yeah, that yeah, I agree that yeah, yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
That that is wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
When I only only thing I know that I can oh,
I can go. I see a motorcycle anniversary party and
I see all this money. I look at y'all as objects.
That's money to get.

Speaker 7 (01:09:15):
I can care less about you being sick. I can
care less about your motorcycle accident. I can care less
about you of saying amen or not. I'm out here
to get some money. That's wrong to be a ministry,
to be a minister or a pastor, or an evangelist
or a chaplain, and that's all I see you as.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I don't even love you. I just want your money.
That's wrong. I agree.

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
Now if I ask for support to do something, when
we ask for support to do outreach, you know what
I do in return us I show you the outreach.
I show you the pictures, I show you the videos,
and then I thank you. I said, this is what
you're offering. It helped us do this. But if I'm
asking for an offering and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I can show you nothing, and didn't you see me
with a new Harley.

Speaker 7 (01:10:13):
All on the all on the strength of I'm gonna
respect that motorcycle ministry. Yes, And this goes back to
your point. There are a lot of wrongs that we
do in the name of ministry.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Yeah. Yeah, so that's what that's what I meant by
profiting off the set. Mikey said it. Uh, he's got
a point. The show used to be different?

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
What what point?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
What did I miss? What did I miss? How did
the show used to be different? Okay, I don't know
if you miss it. I don't know what he meant
by different?

Speaker 7 (01:10:49):
What what the show was talking about is that we
always something when we talk about the things that's happening
on the MC, and we don't talk but that's how
I got on this subject. And we don't talk about
this is probably a lot of things going wrong in
the MM world. We don't talk about that. We don't
talk about mixed clubs. You know, co ed clubs, were
only talking about what's going wrong with them with the MC,

(01:11:11):
the traditional MC. I don't know about being different. I
know that Black Dragon does want to change it up
a little bit to have more interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Yes, yes, because people are getting tired of the news
and there's not news every day, and we absolutely want
to change up and do some different stuff. Like we
were once just an MG protocol only channel. Then we
kind of got off the MG protocol and went to
the news and yeah, there's a lot of changes I

(01:11:42):
want to make for the new year coming up. You've
got to keep reinventing yourself, and when your numbers in
your views start going down, you gotta remake yourself and
do something cool. This last year with you in Logic,
You and Lavish has been for me awesome. A lot
of people have I have not liked you. A lot
of people have had all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Kinds of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Negative things to say about you because you're a preacher.
But you already go through that. Like I'm a preacher,
I am not allowed to have a cigar.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
So I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
If it's by your walk that people know you and
know your Christianity and your and know your purpose. If
you say that it's by your walk, I can definitely
say just being a person that talks to you all
the time, and there are people out there. I talk
to Goldie, I talk to you, I talk to a
lot of people. I talk to Lavish, and I know

(01:12:37):
things about you people don't know just because of our
proximity and how often we interact and through some of
the stuff I've been through, Like people don't know you,
they don't know what you do, Like when I'm sitting
by Nikita one percenter's bed, holding his hand as he's dying,
and I got his family around me, and I call
you from out of the blue and say, I need

(01:12:58):
you to pray for this family right now. Because I
know you're a man of the clock babble. You could
be like, man, I don't have time for that. But
your walk was like put me on the speakerphone, and
you gave that man's family peace and calm as we
held him as he passed into another life. And they

(01:13:19):
were so thankful. And that's what a motorcycle ministry is
supposed to do, in my opinion. And you didn't ask
for no offering or hey man, y'all need to hit
the plate or any kind of dumb shit like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
That's something that they won't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
And so if you're in a motorcycle ministry and you're
doing the things you're supposed to do, most people won't know.
They won't know. They won't know. Only the people like
me who see you every day. And I've called you
so many times, like like I got my own personal
preacher in my pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Hey man, can we do this? Hey many? And I'll
tell people, Hey, don't worry. I've got my own preacher.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
And and you have never failed like and so you know,
I would be one of the quickest people to stand
up and be and fight for and fight for you
because people don't know, they don't know what what what
you say or what you do.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
And and so you being on here talking and this
that and the other and in the spouse and your views.
But I see you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
I've seen you in my own life. I've seen you
in my own crisis when I had a crisis with
Tia might be loved and uh, I thought she was
gonna leave my black ass. There you were right there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
With the mountain woman.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
So uh you know to uh uh the cameo here.

Speaker 7 (01:14:48):
We are to meet people right where they are and
uh if we I said this in our in our
Bible study just the other night, and I said, we
have to be to give an answer. But wherever you are,
whatever you do, you have to be ready to give
an answer and be able to stand on what you

(01:15:09):
believe in. If you would have came to me when
with everything you said, and I'm like, oh man, you know,
well man, that's just what I know. You've been man,
this dude, I can't. I can't give an answer for
what I believe in. And no matter where you are,
no matter what it is, if you're a painter and
I say, man, I don't like oh man, that color
that's not red, and you be able to stand on man,

(01:15:30):
you don't even know what red it is. This is
red and blah blah blah blah. So and that's why
I appreciate that. I appreciate you, and I appreciate your
your position on everything.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
So you know what, you know, what logic.

Speaker 10 (01:15:43):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Are you in Georgia or North Carolina, South Carolina, I'm
in dubtas you're in doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
I'm sorry, Okay, you know what? You know? What be awesome?

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
And I and I really I really feel this and
I really believe this. Man.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
What would really be awesome, I think, man is sometimes
the odor cycle ministries like they go to they'll go
to a bike night or or something like that and
offer anybody that want to get saved. I think that
would be awesome, bro. I and and I don't and
I don't mean I'm not saying that to be funny.

(01:16:17):
I'm not saying that to be none of you know
nothing like I'm very serious about this, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
And I truly believe, I truly believe.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
That if there was a section or a spot at
the bike night where you would be at, or others
that are like yourself that would be over in the
parking lot somewhere wherever that is at.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
That anybody can come over.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
And I guarantee me personally, I guarantee you you have
people coming over there to get saved.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
I guarantee it. I guarantee it. And that would be awesome.
That that that would be awesome and that and.

Speaker 7 (01:16:55):
That is something that we could we can actually strive forward.
That's why I'm trying to reach out to other motorcycle midistries.
Let's come together and let's do something. If we say
we're ministering the motorcycle community, this culture, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Let's let's do it. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And I'm with that.

Speaker 7 (01:17:13):
And there's any other I know there's another one on
here in the chat room. Hey bro, let's get together.
I know you're in California, but hey, that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
Would that would be That would be awesome, man, that
would be awesome. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
And the other thing is that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
This brother rides his motorcycle and and that is just
really cool because I think he represents in so many ways.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I really appreciate uh this man.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Uh. And there are many times that I have tried
him when I when I had some other cuts here
at the dragons Layer actor doing the things we bikers
like for them to do. The preachers like, man, I
ain't fixing a listen that time out click, He'll just

(01:18:06):
turn the whole screen off. Are you finished now? So
like I love this man, uh, inasmuch as no home,
no homo, but I love this man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
And the way that that he carries himself to me.
And then you know something else, Women trust him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
And that's that's interesting because uh, you know, everybody's his
sister and stuff like that. I'd be like, come on
preaching now, you know uh some that he just turned
off the screen like I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
Not with you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
But all these women trust him. He's been with all
these women so many places, and all these women trust him,
and uh, oh, shoot, what just happened.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
Look, I have I have I have a bodyguard two fifty.
She's a biker. She she she look at another woman
and thinks that she's going to get near me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
She'd be like, get first.

Speaker 7 (01:19:10):
She's the first way to get away from my president,
get away from my pastor, and get away from my
sister's husband. All right, this is a lot, that's my cousin.
Don't push don't push my family away.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Well, I you know, I tell you, I tell you man,
I really really man, enjoy uh this time with you guys. Man,
Like I say, Lodge, I respect what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
I'm glad I was able to have this, have.

Speaker 5 (01:19:45):
This conversation uh with you, man, and I got a
I got a better understanding of you and you know,
and what you're about. And I hope that you know
you got a better understanding of me and and what
what I'm about. And I appreciate what and I appreciate
what you do, man. And I wanted to call it
because I wanted you to hear my voice to let

(01:20:07):
you know that there ain't no there ain't no disrespect,
there ain't no you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Know, no drama.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
I'm trying to calls with you or anything like that.
You know, you know what I'm saying. So so you know,
I wanted you to hear it from me. Man. You know,
and anytime that you know you feel that that you
might want to talk to me or whatever. Man, you
get my number right from Black Dragon. You could call
me anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Brother.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
Oh you know what I'm saying. So you know, so
ain't a big deal. So I appreciate you guys. Man
a great show, you know, especially yesterday. I wanted, Oh man,
I wanted to call in so bad yesterday. I was
waiting on that phone for Black Dragon to get that
phone fixed. I wanted to come on there so bad yesterday. Man,
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
Man, But.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
A logic, as the Lord it will say, it wasn't
It wasn't right for me to It wasn't right for me. God,
they wanted to happen. God, they wanted to happen yesterday.
All right, Well y'all take care of man. Blessings on
your brother. Blessed to YouTube brother.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Okay, you know, I mean, did you see what Foxy said, Uh,
this is a fake preacher and no one should hear him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Yeah, I saw twelve oh four.

Speaker 7 (01:21:27):
She said that would be afforded to at the prop
as it definitely needs.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
That he's a fake preacher and nobody should man go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Uh, that would be afforded the folks at the proc
as it's definitely needed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Oh are you going to be at the prop by
the way, not this year?

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Okay, So somebody I guess will be a preacher there
that will be able to let people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Foxy saying that you have an opportunity to be saved there.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I guess some folks looking to be saved but may
not go to traditional places to get saved, So there will.

Speaker 7 (01:22:04):
Be a you don't have to and I tell people,
you don't have to be in sitting at Simon's porchs
church in front of me to accept Christ as your savior.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
You don't have to.

Speaker 7 (01:22:18):
You can be in your living room. When I got saved,
I was in my car when not actually accepting them understood. Okay,
that don't mean don't go. That don't mean don't go
to church. That's a different subject. Okay, okay, okay, go ahead.
I'm a believer, but I am not religious. I'm not

(01:22:39):
a religious man, so I believe the show. That's just
the right amount without being pushy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I'm so pleased and probably my man hero hero logic.
Just keep doing you. You're doing a great job with you. Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I'm just so proud to have you I feel like
the show has stability with you. There is a a
voice of reason when you're on. You act like a
preacher to me in every in every way, and even
in even when you are are what some people might
be like considered, like you might be talking about weapons

(01:23:19):
or anything like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
That, but still there's a a just a general calming
thing from you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
And you call me down all the time because I'd
be ready to get it. And and it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
So many times you you like, even how we name
the show today, you know, I was ready for the
accusatory name. Motorcycle ministries ain't doing what they're subbout to do,
and and you're more like, let's just come at it
from a teaching aspect, and just that that balance for me,
it's really wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
I have a few of you guys I'm blessed with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
I have a few of you guys that I'm blessed
with that will be in my background hitting me up
telling me, hey man, that's two politicals.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Get off of that right now, man.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
And I'm so lucky, like preach from Sucker Free mc
goldie Dee without there Foxy, I got real hardcore people
with boots in my butt for me to be righteous
up here. And then I have like my sponsor from
the Black Mozyc Club, Baker that brought that saw me

(01:24:30):
thirty years ago and taught me how to ride in
the pack, looking at me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
I got these people looking at me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
I got mcguyver from the Thunderguards Nation looking at me always.
I can't even get sick. I can't even not come
on a show. Mcguy was on the phone, Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Man, are you all right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
There's just so many people that have their hands on
this show that help it to go the way it's
supposed to go. It's almost like it's not even really
my show. It's you guys show, because y'all are telling
me what to do, what my producer are saying, get
your buck off now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 7 (01:25:06):
That's about hour and twenty five minutes. I gotta go
to work. And that's another thing. People don't understand that
the pastor has a job.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
I don't get paid by the church. You all got jobs.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
No, no, no, I'm talking about you know, when we
talk about church and ministry and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Pastor don't get paid by the church. I got a job.
I have a career, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
I've had my own company for twenty two years, and
then I decided to go back and work for somebody
else and do contracting work.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
That's why I've been working from home forever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
I used to do what you're doing right now, and
I'm glad to be done with it. Hey, Foxy is
a is a high level you? Foxy is bad?

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
That yees is bad?

Speaker 7 (01:25:58):
Answer this question. Yes, we broadcast our church services every
Sunday on my on my Facebook page and on our
YouTube page, which is called.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
On the Porch Network.

Speaker 7 (01:26:13):
On the Porch Network on YouTube is where you can
see all of our church services and our Bible studies.
We had some problems with Bible study last night for
my computer was acting crazy and it was trying to stream,
but I recorded it and put it up there. But
on the Porch Network, my Facebook page and if you
want to go to our church Facebook page, it is

(01:26:35):
Salmon's Porch Church.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
On Facebook every Sunday and Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I don't have your fas I got here's your your
that's your cash app for Solomon's Porch. This is your
cash app for you. Uh, this is your website. No
prayers at port fill dot org. Yes, Yes, the prayers.
You go to Facebook slash Portville. That's the Facebook page.

(01:27:09):
I'll get that up, okay. And somebody was asking how
to get in touch with me. You can call me
send a text message for zero four six nine two
zero three three six flashing at the bottom forzer four
six nine two zero three three six.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Okay, it is time for us to get that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
We gotta go get it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
All right, let me get you here.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
I I'm in the preaching series in December, call before
the clock strikes. So people, a lot of people do
they have stopped one year and start up next year
when they haven't put a period on the year previous.
So this series is the let us have a segue
and merge into twenty twenty six. Our theme this year
was so let it be written, So let it be done.

(01:27:50):
Our thing next year is called It's high time. I mean,
you're gonna do it now, You're not gonna do it
at all?

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Hey, Robert says. A bigger reason I want actually, even though.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I am an independent writer and never been in a club,
is the way y'all interact with each other. Preacher, keep
doing you, lessons on you, my brother, lessons on you.
It's so beautiful to God be the Gloyd.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
I take no credit, all right, Like you can listen
rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Man, I was trying to get some Christmas music and
my board froze. That's some bs this board man.

Speaker 7 (01:28:34):
All right, here we go, I said, this episode is cooking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Amen. Amen, I don't hear no music. Man, you don't
hear no music. I don't hear anything. That's why I'm
looking at you. I hear the music. I can't believe
you don't hear the music. You don't hear the music.
I don't hear anything.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Oh boy, you don't hear the music.

Speaker 7 (01:29:08):
They said, insane will say black drag. You are on
the wrong audio. Your mic is on webcam.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
You would know, well, you could have just come in
and fixed it. Just some BS man when my kids
on webcam.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Oh, I don't need the music. Let me go, let
me go, let me no, No, we gotta fix right now. Listen. No,
I don't need the music. I don't need the music.
I still don't here. I'm gonna go in the second
three two. A lot of the on the Porch network

(01:29:49):
is the best. Oh, lessons on you.

Speaker 7 (01:29:53):
All right, I'm going to go, yo, that's your boy,
Logic Pathologic Solmons Ports Church here in Dallas. Take since hey.
I'm the president of God's Words Motorcycle Ministry. This has
been a wonderful show. Thank y'all for joining, and come again.
We'll bring more subjects like this and then the new
year we're gonna bring more guests on. But listen, if
you're out there writing, it's gonna be eighty degrees here

(01:30:14):
in the metroplates on Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
If you're out there writing.

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
Like I will be, remember these words, ride hard, ride safe,
and always always ride on faith and keep it logical.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
I'm done now here now. This has been a lousy
I'll be later of Black Dragon. I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
This has been a lousy tech lone technot love.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
God. Y'all can hear the music.

Speaker 10 (01:30:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Maybe you guys could donate some money.

Speaker 9 (01:30:58):
Maybe you need to donate some freaking money. Donate, donate,
Maybe you need to donate some freaking money. Maybe you
need to donate some freaking money. Donate, donate, donate, donate, donate.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Some freaking Thank you very much, Oh thanks for tuning
in and get skinny peace and motorcycle Grease m

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