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May 21, 2024 • 77 mins
Steve "Whitey " Robertson speaks on the true hustler's code, success on the streets, over 30 years in prison, reflection and redemption! Don't miss this opportunity, this type of game is sold and often never told!
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The year is nineteen eighty four,and the Los Angeles News article reads,
two teenagers were arrested toosing on suspicionnarcotics and weapons violations that are South Los
Angeles residents linked to one of twodrugs and the kits involved in the war
for control of the area's cocaine market, which in the bill Hall said there's
no doubt that the two suspects wouldaddllied to a cocaine said it would call

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white He's enterprises the two groups thathas emerged in a bloody war that the
least says responsible for at least twentyfive murders for the last eight months.
This is balland that is fine asthis before Surgeon. What up, y'all?

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Welcome to another segment of the dubScene c J Max Show. I
am c J Mack and I'm stilldub scene, yes, sir, and
always will be. What's up,bro, brother? We're back back another
season, Man left, another seasonto tell the truth? Has some fun
man and uplift people right? Feelgood? Yes, sir? Yes sir?
What's going on? Man? Man? I'm good man? You know
me been hustling. Know what Ialways do? You know what I mean,

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we got a couple of films comingout, projects and Grind for Fire,
scripts of Fire. You know whatI'm saying. And you've been on
the stages across the world. Yeah, go back out next week. We
A're you gonna take me brother,next trip? Mm hmm, well bring
you next trip. It's always nexttrip. Man. I carry like a

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I carry cases. I carried.We don't carry. We all carry.
Remember, I wouldn't carry the radio. Yeah. C J. Mack would
never carry a radio move out oftown because it was a stereotype to him.
Yeah, all black people, youknow what I'm saying, walk through
with the bob, y'all gonna walkedthrough with the fat our game boombox.
I just wasn't gonna do its recipes. Always have a big ass radio.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.Was crazy. And he tried to make
me carry it just on GPH.You get a laugh out of me,
right, And I'm like, no, no, bro, I'm not rustled
from us. Dud really was likereally like like it was like taboo to
radio and I wasn't doing it,butro just it was just something about it.
I don't walk through the airport woman, No boombox, Bro, I
just couldn't do that, Bro,I just thought I was a little flyer

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to that. You know what I'msaying, I couldn't do it. You
can't be ashamed of who you are. So speaking of fly today, man,
we have a guest that I lookedup to for many many years.
Man. Man, we've had alot of hustlers on this show. Man
and uh street generals. Yeah,but we might have no moro who know

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today somebody whose could be hating onthat, But that's school talk. I'm
talking about it. Man. Wegot in general, Man, we got
a guy that's uh. He startedoff not in the eighties but the seventies.
Uh and uh. He's an architectof the rules of this game.
He taught many, many many howto hustle. Many of us emulated him

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to try and reach his status,even though you know, just a tall
climb right. So anyway, man, we have Whitey, a Whitey Enterprise.
I heard the white before. Yeah. And if you if you know,
maybe you sleep on the rock anduse a kid or something, that's
cool. I'm gonna excuse you.But if you was in the game,
then you you heard that name,even though you probably didn't see him because

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I didn't used to see him.But anyway, we got Whitey. What's
Thataddy? Whitey? I thank youguys for having me. Let's get down
this bullshit. Let's get down tothe business and a right, we didn't
did all the pledgean trees and stuff, right, So man, you know,
you know, I want to bringyou on here. First of all,
I like to say that, youknow, sometimes we get comments from

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people for bringing on our legends ofthese streets, man, and you know,
you guys are much more than that. But sometimes that's all people see.
So they kind of tend to thinkwe glorify in those times. Eighties
were turbulent times. They were roughfor people that got addicted, people ended

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up going to prison, all thesethings. So that era, I'm gonna
say, the crack era, eventhough your reign extended, is much further
than that. It was turbulent times. So some people think, why glorified?
Why glorify it? But it's apart of what our history is and
it's part of what you know,what we are. So what is your
opinion on that? Wow, that'sa whole lot. You know, life

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got a whole lot of twisting andturns and a whole lot of people set
back there and say, why blackpeople glorified the things that's going on.
But the Rockefellers, we talked aboutthe Rockefellers. You gotta glorified Rockefellers.
You guys glorified the Kennedy's. Butyou guys got to understand the history of
the kennedysns the Rockefellers. The Rockefellerstook all the property from all the blacks

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and whites and gave him ten fifteencents, so they stole it. So
hire come to Kennedy's. Joe Kennedy. You guys may not know who Joe
Kennedy is. Joe Kennedy ran allthe bootleg liquor and he ended up owning
Singing Gin and Kennedy Myss. Soall this whole family have ties to the
criminal activities of life. So thenyou turn around and you look at the

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other people, and you say,who else is doing all these things?
So look at the banking system.When you look at the basic system,
who run the banks? So thebanking system really took care of our ancestors
years ago and put all of themin slavery because they wasn't one financed the
slavery. So we sat back whenwe had these conversations, and the conversations,

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why do you glorify what happened inla and the other states. Well,
sometime your history got to be toldbecause everybody want to take black history
away, and Black history should notbe took away. You should set back
and look at black history and impewevery time you make a next step,
you say, how can I bebetter than my other people was? So

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you put your kids in better situations, and you put yourself in a better
position so you could understand your nextstep, so you can make your kids
proud of you. And then whenthe black kids walk in the store they
see a black man in the store, they could say, we could have
this beig going to god. Damn. Come on now, widdie, how
old were you when you decided youwanted to make a change in your life

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financially and you wasn't going to taketo the streets to do it. So
my life, my life started kindof different from you guys life. When
I was in the world at ayoung age, they was getting three dollars
and eighty five cents an hour,and we had two parents in the house.
So those two parents couldn't even keepall the food on the table.

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And when you walked on Broadway,you see all the pimps and all the
hostlers, and they had cadillacs.They didn't have much say the events.
They had caillacs, and they hadall the money. What we thought was
money. It was jump changed,but at that time, twenty thousand dollars
was a lot of money. Andthese brothers, these older brothers, they
liked it. Me like, mybrothers talk about me all the time.

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You a hobo, You this righthere. And I cleaned everybody wheels and
clean their houses out. So Iwas that's six to thirteen years old,
and I ended up learning more aboutthe game than the rest of my friends
because they were still at home withtheir mothers. And I had to make
sure I had to buy my mother'scigarettes other things, because I got nine

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brothers and two sisters, so myjob was hard from the jump, and
I had to take care of mylittle brother and my little nephew. So
at thirteen years old, I decidedthat I learned enough, and it was
a lick up and I had togo hit the lick just to go buy
three grams of heroin and three gramsof heroin at that time took me to

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a level that most people would neverunderstand what hair I meant at that time
because it wasn't taking a one,it was taking a thirteen. So when
you set back and you look atthe path, you say, can the
people today do what you did?I say no, because it's hard to
find some followers. So you becomea great leader. The players that I

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hung out with we were thirteen fourteenyears old running in the jeury stores,
and a whole lot of people justput it in one place. So I'm
gonna elaborate a little farther. Whenwe got off the porch, we was
on an airplane going to the MississipiChicago, Texas, Florida because it was
a lick up and we had tohave the jewels in it because they was
holding our jewels for us. Inmy eyesight, every jury store in America

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had our stuff's holding it for usto come in back at your jewels.
Yeah, they were minds. Yougotta claim it. They say you got
a claim it. When you setback and you reach and grab and you'd
be like wow, and it wasa great things. Then you understand the
tiptap, you understand the trim.So we were using a trend trail going
up in jewey stores, busting andpay the pipeface and lifted up everything.

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And when we came back, wewere like five hundred thousands of head and
jewels. Wow. And at thattime, you know, it was no
cocaine. Yeah. Yeah, alot of people don't know that that.
The hustle was a little bit differentbefore the cocaine era. You know jewel
boys, you know jewel boys.When you talk about shaking all those dudes,
you're talking about dudes pulling up infour fiftyfls and you know, and

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they looked in but they only thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old. Wow.
Jewel board jewel boys. Wow,you know they jewel thieves. You
know we we played with the cashrester. We've walked in rafts, not
rafps stripties. It was scripties atthat time. And they used to have
a lock on the case and wego get and we go get the wild
cutters and go cut the lock offourselves and take the money back and go

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back out the door. Because wepaid. We paid this. This is
how we got paid in those days. So when people be talking about all
these dudes. What they do?They a cocaine money. Cocaine money.
It was tip money to us becausewe was already hustling at an early age.
So when they looked up and saidwhat are you guys doing, we
were like, We're just going topick up our stuff because they holding it.

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You know, it's it's different,you know, they holding our stuff.
So safety state doing jewelry. Weregoing to pick up your jewelry at
fourteen fifteen years old? Right,So how did they come about going to
the next phases? And when didthe that was already getting real money,

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Yeah, we already in paper.Yeah, so so what was the next?
Uh No, I'm just looking atyou, but I'm asking him what
was the next? Things? So, you know, when I was young,
you know, I was young.I was a kid, but I
was structured in a different way.I was structured by two drees, Bill
Jones, Howard Johnson, Blue Turner. These are that didn't not snitch by

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the way, jab becuz Harry Jenkins. These were these and then you know,
should you guys should? But shouldram right? You know the dude
who started the BGF human Doc Holliday. These was my idols who taught me
how to structure myself and structure myteam. So you know, everything is

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a team game for everybody right nowsayings a meat thing, a meat thing,
get you here, a team thing, You get paper, you get
papered out the game. So asI was looking at my team, I
was looking back at the other teamthat I came from, the guys who
raised me and trained me and putme in the right position to be successful.

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They taught me that these guys righthere are gonna get you rich and
you're gonna get all the money.But I walked away from there like,
nah, huh, they don't golike that. I need to flip this
because I come off with fifty sixand Mais and all my guys come off
from that neighborhood. And we lookedat each other because we were all hungry

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at the same time. We allcalled mama and mama and daddy and daddy
the same thing. Everybody was mammaand everybody was daddy. So we ate
in each other's house because nobody hadno money. So when I hit the
lick, I immediately brought from heronand when I brought the hairline, I
had to tell them the guys gotthe hold back for a few days.
Let me flip this because the olddudes taught me the whole game. So

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we took over fifty six and Mais. We took over the block, but
nobody knew nothing about it because Ihad all the young crypts in America on
my team right on Broadway, andthey was with me. We've been together
since we were in the sandbox atfive years old. So as I structured
everything, they was in a movelike how much money do gonna get?

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And I'm like, I don't know, let me figure this one out.
So as I figured it out,we found out that we were getting twenty
five thousand dollars a day on theblock, and I was still going to
school, still going to school everyday. I'm on the block at six
o'clock in the morning, I'm leavingat seven forty five to get to school,

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come back to twelve o'clock work theone. Then transfriends go back to
the Throne Junior High School. I'ma Throne Junior High school and we're working.
And then when I come home fromthere, I hit again. Then
I go go go to baseball practice. So I got to go play sports
too, because I'm with the team. It ain't I in team, you
know, I'm with the team.So the team just helped me develop my

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way of thinking. And each timeI looked at one of them, I'm
like, it's your turn on theblock. Your turn on the block.
And we rotated, and we keptrotating, and everything just became a habit
and we just did this right here, and when we looked up, we
was paper out the game. Butmy thing was that I didn't stay in

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the city that long. I hadto leave Johnny Kate in the city to
control whatever had to be controlled.But he was only eleven years old on
the block. Eleven years old?What he know how to do? Study?
Eight years old? He on theblock. We already banned all the
hair run up. So we stoodand al Woody, all of them they

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with him. So all these boysout fifty six and man between Man and
Broadway, they on this team.This team is fully loaded and we wasn't
turning to cheat that nobody. Sowhere are the adults at this time with
all these kids old eight years old? So you got to understand the difference

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of today and that time. Thekids had so much respect that you didn't
see them run because everything was hidden, because it was a secret society that
we lived in. It wasn't likeeverybody was grimorizing, oh we get some
money. It's like you can't gethigh, you can't drink, granty's gonna

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hit you. But it was stilllike these old ladies telling us take the
trash out, yes, ma'am right. And we didn't curse because it was
against the rules to do all thesethings. So we stayed true to the
game, and we stayed true toour parents because again, all these was
our parents. It wasn't nobody butour parents, because everybody was Mama and
daddy and whatever they needed, thatwhat we was gonna give them. When

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somebody had to pay get their rentpaid, somebody on the block had to
go get somebody some money to paythat rent. So the structure that we
was under was so complete that noneof us never had a fight with each
other. Wow, damn, that'sdate. I mean, you hear so
many different stories about how things was, but I ain't never heard it like

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this right here. That's crazy.You know, it's crazy because it's almost
like now youngsters are out on thestreet, but they have no direction.
You started off with some sort ofdirection, and you had people mentoring you
to kind of teach you the roadand show you what to do, even
if you know it was the streetguys. Right. But nowadays you got

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young kids man in the streets earlyright down. Yeah, except they don't
have any rules and no one teachinganything, and they don't respect elders,
not at all. No, that'sone of the biggest problems now is no
every right. Now you can goto a school and you can say,
I'm gonna call your mom up likeI was telling y'all the kidnapped, so
it's no fear. Yeah, whereyour daddy at know he lived wo wop.

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And the mama I'm not saying thislike this with all women, but
the mama is so mad at thedaddy for whatever reason at a lot of
times to where there's no man toinstill that structure. You know something you
said earlier, it's so important.You said there was no there was no
me. It was no eye,no just me like that. You know,

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it was a structured team. Itwas all of us looking for each
other. That's something right now thateverybody's self when they come to telling in
all conscious everybody's doing whatever they gotto do for self. There's no more
you know me, but I wantto hear some more the story though,
man of uh you know when youuh you know you you'll started off with

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the Jurby licks doing your thing andthen you was talking about the hairund how
did you get deeper into the game, So you know, the game is
the games. It's just one winedifferent from other people like today's today's people
they hustle how people let them hustle. But with me, it was like

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I was so for in the gameat an early age that the game changed
you guys game with cocaine, thehelpline game, the Jewey game was connected.
And then the boys came up withsome water, so the water game
redirected. So they redirected us tothe water game. So when you have

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some money, you can do thisabout anything you want to do. And
me and my team, like Isaid, it's my team. And when
we started looking at things, theolder dude, another older dude grabbed me,
shook me up like he wanted tobecause he was related to me,
and they were like, I needyou to do something for me, and

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I'm like what he said, dryyour ragley car down the street and go
pick up all these kims for me. So he gave me a list.
I said, I'm not a ring. He said, don't worry about just
give it a jolly. So werolled on Atlantic and Rose playing to Jolly's.
Picked up all this stuff. Noproblem. I ain't no problem with

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that because I understand game. Irespect. It's because I'm a player,
because these old dudes taught me howto be a player. They taught they
taught me how to be dumb.And this is water. So I'm dumb.
No, it's good with me.I don't mind being dumb. But
before I left my liquor store,you know, that's when I was just

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working in it. Before I leftit, she gave me seven hundred dollars.
He said, this is gonna costthis right here. So I went
in the liquor store. I wentin to safe fourteen hundred out. Now
what this is called seven hundred,honey? Right? This is real shit,
right, So it's seven hundred.So I grabbed fourteen out the safe.

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My little brother's like, well,we're going. We're going to go
pick up some new shit. Hesaid, what we're gonna do? I
said, I don't know, butwe're gonna buy it. So when I
brought him his batch, I broughtme a double batch, took it back
to the house, dropped his off. But I was living at my with
my wife at this time. I'mlike, fourteen, you had a wife,
fourteen, I've been with my girlever since. Were like left,

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take the stuff and put it inthe back house. We got all the
stuff, so I dropped them off. His stuff. So a couple of
days passed. Why he called me, He said, what are you doing.
I'm like, I'm at storing mywork. He said, I'm gonna
pick you up at ten o'clock tonight. So all right, So he
picked me up at ten o'clock tonight. He took me out. We
set some green yards. Okay,cool, no problem. You have to

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set green yards next day, likecrystal set in time. So what he
do He breaking down the crystals infront of my face. I'm like,
what you're doing? He says,just shut up. I'm all right.
But me, I'm I'm a dummy. You know, sometimes you got to
be a dummy to get in thegame. So I'm like, I set
the game, dummy. But I'mlooking at everything he's doing because I'm getting

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ready to repeat this as soon asI get this stuff called crystal, because
right now I don't know where nocrystal's at, but I'm gonna get these
crystal. So tell us all good, he said, he give me.
He gave me a half a gallon. We got fifty No problem. Good,
good, right, So me andmy little brother were good. We
sell, We sell the half agallon, We buy two gallons some them.

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So next thing you know, wehad my boy's back car's house and
my little brothers like they said,they got some pipe in the back house.
Let's go. Look, I gotthe keys. When open round,
they got five fifty five gallon drumsof pipe. No problem. So me

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and my little brother went down toa bottle shop on Mkentney and Sloughsing.
So we went and got ten fiveten gallon bottles. Put it all in
the bottles. Well you had toput the mask on, pull the smoke
galls, choke you out. Igot we got ten. We got ten,
right, we goood, we gotthis, but we still don't know
how to set crystals yet. Noproblem. Sold my boy he called me

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from jail, like what's up,baby? He's up me, Like I
need you to do something. Isaid, what, I need you to
go to my mama's house and I'mgonna walk you through something. So he
walked me through setting the crystal boom, you know, make sure that masks
on something. Set the crystals cool. I set like four gallons and crystals.

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They said they're gonna be ready ineighteen hours. He said, I
mean you already got the green yards. I said, yeah, made his
cell phone. So when he camehome from jail, like a month later,
he was on the bowl. Hewas gone, he's bawling again.
You know. He drives. Hedrives a yellow Carnege sixty seven, yellow
Carney school. He's fly as fuck, right with the green eyes. You

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know, they called him the bigWizard, right though. He's good,
you know, little brother looking atejail like yeah. So he pulls up
like a week later, he said, but you gotta get some water from
we brought it. He's like,all right, But they found out that
we had water. We had thewhole east side sold up. We was
on the west side on Raymond,on Raymond in twenty ninth, sold up.

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We was in Pasadena, sold up. We had everything. Me and
my little brother were selling terrain we'reselling water, we're selling the team.
The team just ready everywhere and they'resaying, what you guys don't do man
with somebody's enterprise, we do everything. So at the end of the day,
it was like, what's up,Like some more of it. They're

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like what. So one of thedudes, one of the dudes from off
the West Side. It was thefirst time I heard it. They said,
you niggas is fabulous on fifty seventhStreet said it is what it is.
That's where we are. We arefifty seconds were fabuless. They're like
huh and dude like he is outof control and Benzoe al like this,

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we are out of control. Andyou know benzo El is a walking legend
right today, you know, andhe never went to jail. So when
I set back, when I lookat people and they talk about what it
supposed to be, I tell them, sometime you're suposed to look at people
and duplicate what they do and thenyou'll be successful in your field. But

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you got to be a ghost.Yeah, he who is the best last
longest? So how did the WhitiesEnterprise starting? Who named it White's Enterprise?
Between cartoon Q Bomb had a couplemore of them. All of them
say they named it. You knowit ain't no I in yeah right,

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So you didn't name it yourself.They gave you the gave it crue today,
gave it to me like you theboss. No boss here, making
sure you guys eat like a right. So how important was that to you
to make sure that everybody ate?Well? This right is gonna make you

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really understand my understanding of life.I had nine brothers, two sisters,
and we went to be at homerysome nights. My team all around me
fed me every time I got anopportunity, and every day I used to
go to bed. I said,if I ever get good, I'm gonna

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look out for everybody. And Ifollow that example right now that I make
for myself that my team who's aroundme, I try to make sure that
all of them got something to eat. So every man who called themselfs you
my friend. Your friend supposed tomake sure you all right, and you're

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supposed to make sure your friend it'sall right. And if you don't do
that, he's really not your friend. It's just somebody you're trying to use
so someone can stay away from you, or something like that. But when
you say this is my friend,you're not going to try to destroy your
friend. And you're gonna make sureyour friend have something to eat, and

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you want to make sure that yourfriend children have something to eat because it's
important for us as black people,because I love me some meat, right,
And when I look at my blackpartners, I'd be like, you
got your own money, You gotsome money in some kind of way.
I'm gonna find a way to getsome more money. And it's right.
Today, I run a nonprofit andthe nonprofit is not for me. It's

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for my friends who around me.And we set back every day and try
to figure out how we're gonna teachthese kids how to be his friend instead
of being his enemy on the slidebecause just so many people say, man,
that's my friend. But every timeyou don't have no money, he
won't buy you a sandwich, buthe keeps on saying he's your friend,

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and why would you have somebody aroundyou who's really not your friend and keep
on hollering about, oh, that'smy partner, but he got everything and
you have nothing, or he's treatingeverybody around him like they's some shit,
but you my friend, and that'snot a good fit because what happened is
dudes like that end up then comeup missing, and then the questions come

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like why they shoot him in hishead. Oh look, we're gonna stop
right there. That was a goodplace to stop. We're gonna come back
to that. I need to takea little small commercial break right now.
We need to pay the bills aroundhere real quick, right, so we
be right back CJ Max And we'rehere with Whitey sucking up a whole bunch
of game. Man. If y'allthe young cats is listening, right and

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we're gonna show you how uh itmakes a difference. We'll be right back.
New drop, New Drop. Wegot hoodies like these, come shot,
Come cop, new Drop. Wegot brand new ts. New drop,

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New drop, Come cop, newDrop. You allays take a ship
too far right right right only atdove C and c J mac dot com.
Welcome back, Thank you for stayingtuned. I am c J Mac

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and he still tuned into the dubC and c J Max Show. And
we're still here with Whitey the og the Man, the myth. Give
us a little bit of a game. He dropping so much game. I
just got a question you said thatyou guys were getting down with the hair
ron, When did the cocaine thingcome in? When you jumped on the

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cocaine? So so they could reallyunderstand, like cocaine came in when Richard
Pryor and Smokey Robertson and all themwas using cocaine. Okay, So that's
the seventies, like the late seventies, seventy nine, And at that time,
cocaine was like twenty eight hundred dollarsthe ounce, and they were freebasing.

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Wait wait how much twenty eight hundreddollars ounce? They were freebasing?
Now mind me. Cocaine was sixtythousand the key, sixty thousand the keys.
And the great thing about it wasthat you guys look at it like
the Columbians had control of the cocaine. But nah, it was the boys
downtown. You know, the Turks, the Iranians, they had all the

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cocaine. You know, two dtwo of them, you know, Tuley.
Can we say about Totty too?Dy, Bill Jones, Howard Johnson.
There was the bosses, all bosses, dudes, won't dudes, you
won't hear them talk about them becauseit's not many players know them, they

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know of the myth, they knowof the man, they know of the
bosses. But they just wasn't aroundin that era for real, because when
they got in the game, itwas kind of different. And they was
like came around nineteen eighty three andthe cocaine era already then took off.
It's like dudes got the Marshalls,they used to smoke, they used to

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be in the Sui Fox and theMustang. They just they just freebase and
they got all the girls and everybodywalking around. They're smoking, and they
running jewelry stoves, buying a ouncehere for twenty eight, two ounces for
fifty six. And that's how itwent. And it kept on going like
that because you know, for yearsnobody knew how to cook crack. Period.

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It was like benzoe Al, Benzolichad Charlie llyd Et Stone. You
know, these dudes right here,these are the dudes who really knew what
they was doing. And it wasn'ta lot of rock houses. You really
go into history, you would reallyunderstanding that it was a few rock houses
and all like. And just tobe honest, between me and benzo Al,

(31:17):
we had mostly all the rock housesand that was from seventy all the
way night eighty three. So whendudes started hollering out, we was in
it. I just never seen noneof them. That's being honest, because
like everybody tell me all the time, like why do you know him?
I never seen Bo Benning in mylife. I said, what do you

(31:38):
mean? I said, never seenBo Benning in my life. When I
seen Bo Benning, I was cominghome State Penitentiary on to Harry go trial.
Because Harry was like my brother,like he's to me. He's everything
that he posed to beat. Andwhen he created Godfather Records, he had

(31:59):
easy, he had Dana Day,he had all of them at the house
on in Twarsana and Sino and allof them was in and out of his
house, and he was he wasthe man for real. So that was
Harry, Oh and he was hewas working. His brother Dave was great
at what he did, and theRule was great at what he did,
Skippy. And then you you gotto look at your name McGaw when you

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got to look at the dudes fromWatts and all these dudes was so great
at what they did, and awhole lot of people never seen them.
This is what a lot of peopledon't understand. Smoking cocaine was a thing
that people bragged about at one time, well before anybody knew the effects and

(32:43):
everything, right, uh and whatwas gonna happen later on and destruction and
everything. Uh, it was athing to brag about. It was like
the rich man's thing, you knowwhat I mean to be all like people
were hustles, are bragg all.We smoked up seventeen hundred last night.
We smoked up this, that,this, that this, I'm talking about
the freebasing era. Yes, Soreally, when people started talking about crack

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cocaine, they already done jumped oversmoking cocaine because all the players smoked cocaine,
all of them. I just don'twant to get all their name because
they big boys in the industry now, but they spoke cocaine and they literally
was freebasing. And we went wewent from the skating rings to Vegas,

(33:27):
hitting the lick come back and allthese all these dudes, all these real
real players jumping out of businesses androses and they like it. We the
show, and everybody like, whoare they? And it's other guys who
you guys recognized. We didn't recognizethem. At that time because there was
nowhere around, so find four ouncesof cocaine with a house full of women

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was no problem because everybody to findhis broughts in the city was there.
And that's like ten thousand at thetop. Yeah, you know, no,
it was like it was twelve.It was like twelve thousand four at
that time, right, So youknow, at the end of the day,
it was so many. It wasso many players because you guys are

(34:15):
recognized the dudes as real players,like those those players, those those dudes
out of marshalls. Ooh look howgood they look. Big jewels on,
you know, the big pieces.Uh what low ride of quilling the pool
hall, jump out the car hegot a piece around his neck. Host
two millions because he stole all thejewels and he got the big three carriers

(34:38):
in and everybody's looking good and theygo to they go to Charlie nils Or,
they go to a Wie Biller andit was a saying, I want
the three seeds cocaine, columbnia,and corneac, and this how this is
how it was going down, andwe like this and they and HB come
in with sixteen sixteen seventeen Chinese,these girls because they only got Chinese girls.

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And they was on sunset at Orangeat the Pancakes House, and you're
like, ooh, this is amazing. It's a great show. But you're
getting all the money, and somebodywanted to see the broad on you like,
yeah, I'm about to break herin a minute. You know,
she broke because cocaine gonna make mebreak her because I'm the biggest pimp in
America because I got all the cocaineand all of them mine up because at

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this moment, everybody is getting highbecause everybody want to be damn, you
know, not damn getting the money. They want to say, I got
this cocaine and they got these littlebig twos, they slipped it all of
their nose. I'm looking I'm likelooking at these damn foods, and my
brother looking at me like, man, keep breaking these motherfuckers. And this

(35:44):
is what we were doing because itwas us up for us to break these
dudes, no matter what somebody said. My job was to make sure that
when I left that bowling alley orthat a wine biller, I have all
the money money in my bag,and I had all the money I used
to bring four or five ounces upand sell scenes for one hundred dollars,

(36:07):
seens for a one hundred dollars.All the pimps on orange, they siffled
and we laughed like ooh these horselook these hoards bringing this money and the
pimps getting their hands right to me, ooh wait, it's so sweet as
unbelievable. Right, but this thiscocaine because now there's no crackhouses really because
everybody staffing cocaine. And then theystart freebas and then Richard Prye burned itself

(36:30):
up. You know, it wasall on the news, Richard fried.
So everybody wanted to smoke. Nowthey had one five one free base.
Everybody wanted to burn up. Howhard can you get? Yeah, so
this this, this is the realstory of the game. The game was
so beautiful and uh when you lookedup, it's like two leion them two

(36:52):
in them got control of the wholestreets. You know, our salute,
you know, got to Bill Jones, all of them. I know they're
gone, but I salute them becausethey gave me so much of a leaveway
over the rest of the world.And you know, Benzoel we had leeways.
We was just doing what we wantedto do, and nobody could do

(37:12):
anything about it because we was thosedudes and we didn't get high, you
know, we didn't drink. Itwas like taboo for us to even think
about doing any of it. Andthe cocaine was just this was crazy.
And then one day you looked upbenzoil. I just came home off lick
in Mississippi and knocked me off fromMississippi. So I came home off the

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lick. Benzoyil got two houses smoking. He getting fifty thousand a day.
I'm looking at him like, well, what are you doing? And this
girl, Jackie like we're getting fiftythousand a day. I said, you
left me for him. She's like, yeah, you're getting fifty thousand a
day. You know, you know, you know he still he stole my
girl, right, and now youknow I left my girl was about ten

(37:59):
fifteen gallons water. She give memy little piece of money, like yeah,
like management, yeah, you knowwhat, that's my best partner up
pot Like like you stole you stolemy girl, like couple blow niggas one
of that stuff. But this houseis booming, so you know I'm gonna

(38:21):
player all players. So I pickedet Gravel, Like, what's going on.
He's like may cooking rocks, youknow, to cook. Yeah,
So I get him and Charlie Lloyd. I take him to the house and
I tell my sister got me thehouse on wall. So she ripped me
a house on wall. Wall andSanta Barbara and Santa Barbara at this time,
so we opened the rout. Wedid thirty first day. Wow.

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Next thing I know, I'm onfifty second at the upstairs. I tell
the boys from Marshalls like, hey, I got some crack over there,
already rocked up. So I hadlines. I had about eight thousands and
two weeks line up the lines everywhere. Everybody al turning it up too.
He went on King Boulevard in Centralnext to the Pop Eye. He turned

(39:10):
up, Bam, we calling fiftysecond and Main turn up bag. I
was like, ooh, we going. Wallsworth turned up and I was like,
oh, now we in the nowwere in the competition. See how
many rock houses we open. Sonow I bring some girls in. I
bring Dean, she come in torun my joint. She running my joints,
Temple, Rachel Yah, y'all,all of them. So a female

(39:34):
was in charge of running. It'smy girl, It's my girl Dean.
Yeah, then six machine Dan.So she so she's ad it right.
Legend got a crewel, she gota cruel girls and all of them loyd
to her all the way. Andat that time, I was paying one
hundred hours a day. You knowwhat a hundred dollars a day was at
that moment in life. And theywas going they was going to loot the

(39:58):
vendor of boyfriend friend to get theirhair dead on Wilsher or these brothers.
They fly all they fly, Theyjumping out the benzes and everybody looking at
them. They're like shaking their head, like where they're from. That White
is enterprise. And they got theback of their coach say white is Enterprise
on the back and I was like, wow, why he's on the batman
James. It was it was asaying that enterprise you satisfied, and we

(40:29):
was satisfying the whole city. SoBlack Day with his fly ass, he
fly as far. He walks inlike why do you get my cut?
Ain't you no cut? You know? Get my cut? So we kicked
him what he wanted. Harry gowith him. He got Black Tommy.
They rolling down Redhead Tommy with Benzolwith the Benzo Boys now called there on

(40:50):
Darnell. They over there on onehundred and twelfth an army. They get
that cut. Saint Louis Harrold,he get his cut. So we got
a whole mob all over the cityand everybody is coming to me and Benzo
Al. We got all the dopein the city at this time. Ain't
nobody got no dope. They ain'twant no crack. And Ben's out of
that crack. So Al pulls upand jump out the roads with that high
side and shit, I'm like,what you're doing. It's like, oh,

(41:13):
catch up. So he pulls upin a zimmer and a Zimmerman pulled
on Crenshall. The whole city juststopped and looked. I said, what
the fuck is that? Says Zimmerman. Baby, mister Zimmerman, I'm like,
whoa wait, mother, brother,say what you gonna get? I
said, I have no idea,So we bull we bull driving. You

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know, I don't sold one hundredgallons of water. You know, I
got water money. Water money isyou know, kind of different. You
don't understand it, but water moneyis kind of different. With twenty five
thousand gallons and it's gonna cost nothing. Make it for real. It's kind
of cheap to make it. Andyou getting twenty five thousand selling a hundred
gallons up in DC, up inTexas, so you pay it out the
game. So when dudes, hey, oh cocaine, and we tell everybody

(41:58):
today, we didn't do credit.When we bought a hundred, it was
cash money. We didn't do credit. We lad have got a deal on
them at fifty ath key, butwe ain't do credit. You know,
I can say that eighty what thisnineteen eighty We ain't do credit. We
didn't do credit. Nineteen eighty.Nineteen eighty three was your car choice?

(42:20):
Back then? I drove rolls,you know, always got your eighteen.
I was I was fly. Iwas a fly, little bowster. I
was little. Nobody didn't know whoI was. So the police wanna tell
you this right here, you're gonnalaugh. The police pulled me over.
I'm in the rolls. I'm onforty first and Broadway pulled me over.

(42:42):
Get out. The car said,yeah, how can I help you?
They said, who cars? Isaid, my dad's They said, you
know, Whitey had no idea.My name is Steve Robinson. So my
school books, Yeah, my schoolbooks is in the back in the window,
and it got you. You seeSanta Barber sticker on it, right,
They said, what school you're goingto? I said, you see

(43:04):
if Santa Barber. So the policecome pulling a hallering garden and pulls up.
Jump out the car. They said, hey, what you're doing over
here? I said, the policejust stopped me and I want to my
daddy liquor store. Right. Theysaid, oh, he played for the
baseball team at the police academy.He said, what, man, he
played for the baseball team. Theysaid, oh, okay, so he's

(43:25):
a nice one. Said yeah,he go to the University of Santa Barbara.
Jump back in the car, pulledto the store. Called my brother
on the phone. Hey, youneed to get your ass, say out
here of this store and come andget this car and the Mercedes and everything
else. You guys need to putthat somewhere in the backyard away from me

(43:45):
because I never want to ride himagain. Right. So they laughing at
me like it's a joke. Andthat day when I realized that I needed
not to be seen by the world. Day, So all the coke in
the world to me was this cocaineand day and they rest his soul.

(44:06):
He was the most flies dude inall of America. He was the most
fliest dude in all the world.He was so fly that the whole city,
the whole city who was in thedope game, took his the money
to him. And he ain't hadno dope at this time because he sold
out. And they'll leave three andfour million dollars out of his house and

(44:30):
when he got it, here godrop it off to him. He was
that so much trustworthy. So thecocaine eras went of errors that you say,
wow, but the but were talkingabout cocaine, but we talked about
black jack, talking about blackjack,we're talking about wizard, Little Wizard.
These dudes just flipped the game wherewhen dudes looking like, oh, we

(44:51):
got cocaine money, they laugh andthey done brought ferraris and brought porsches,
they brand new nineteen eighty three,eighty two, jumping out of their calls,
looking at you like, yeah,you broke, you got cocaine money.
You work for somebody. We don'twork for nobody. We papered out
the game and you look at themlike Oh my god, this show.

(45:12):
The show was unbelievable. Shut downCrenshaw. Every all we used to go
to the bowling out here on thirtyeighth and Crenshaw, which is shut it
down. All of us used topull up. We jumped out of these
cars and the girls with us.The girls got their big old guns and
their purses and they were like,what's going on? Like that? Nothing?
We're here were having breakfast at threeo'clock in the morning, leaving a
skating rings pulling up. Oh man, we had a ball different game time.

(45:37):
On a different note, man,was it ever at point in your
life to where you thought about allthe money you was making and where that
money was coming from, and besidesthe hustle scene and the ballers and the
players, the individuals that was gettinghigh and spending their money and the kids.

(45:59):
Wasn't even because the mamas on drugs. Did that ever hit you?
So I got to understand I wasa kid. A whole lot of people
want to say I was a kidwhen I was getting all this money.
So I never paid that no intention. It's never went on my wavesite because
the only thing I knew that Iwas feeding all my homeboys and then I

(46:21):
got new friends from from off theWest side up in Pasadena in different places,
so I'm looking out for them.So the other part when I come
on the block and see the kids, like, let's go shopping. So
me and the kids were going shopping, Mama Rent got to be paying.
Yeah, there was some money theypaid Mama Rent. So it never balled
up, like look what you guysdoing that? Never when you were a

(46:45):
kid, you don't even recognize nothinglike that. And a whole lot of
people have this misconception trying to actlike they want to rewrite history by saying,
yeah, I sell a certain kindof way a lie because they was
kids. Also, you know Iwould yeah when I was twenty three years
old. You know, when Icame back home, I was twenty nine.
And then when I came back home, it's still I still had to

(47:07):
go back in the streets because mybrothers and the rest of the people,
they messed off so much money thatmy wife don't even want to have pieces
of property for me. So Ihad to go back and get some more
money again. And we could sitback and have this conversation. But this
conversation is really mute because nobody inthat era paid attention to what happened in

(47:30):
the eighties period time now because wewas kids. And it's not me trying
to gramorifize it, but kids don'tunderstand what they are doing. To lay
it on. It's like the basketballplayers today, they have no idea what
they're doing. They just have alot of money, right, and they
got a whole lot of trustees.So whatever they do, they think they're

(47:50):
doing right because they still kids.But as you grow in life, you
start figuring it out, like,Okay, how do we make this better?
Your whole your whole structure is tomake sure that your homies and their
mothers is having something to eat,because you never want to see them without
what they supposed to have. Andpeople talk about the base heads and all

(48:13):
that. All mothers wasn't base heads. Must be honest with our mothers used
to tell us I keep doing that, we're gonna whoop you. My father
tell us we'll bust your ass bythe house. By this business, and
all of us had businesses, andeverybody said back, like, wow,
HARRYO really truly owned death row recordsbecause his money went there. Because Godfather's

(48:38):
records is really a part of deathrow records. And it's like a limousine
service like Jackson's limousine had been therefor years, but Harryo had Cordier limousine.
And it was so like call lotsTWK sbndeed all these car lots Chucky
max own and leaving motors. Soit was unheard of what we were doing

(49:00):
with our money. We were stayingin big houses, all in the good
the hills, Beverly Hills, sowe really put our money into good use
and in a certain at a certaintime, the faes came like, we
can't trick them, no mode,so we got to put them in prison.
So they went and rode a brandnew drug law to put us in

(49:22):
prison with. So when we leftthe streets in nineteen eighty seven eighty eight,
eighty nine, it was a newlaw being written for them to take
all our stuff back away from us, so we couldn't leave it to our
parents, so our parents could bereally took care of why we was gone,
and then they gave us life sentenceslike you guys never coming back home,

(49:44):
because we thought that we couldn't destroyall of you guys, but in
the process, you guys end upbuilding, building, powerhouses, real corporations
right in front of our faces.And you told us, man, we
ain't here to destroy our neighborhood.All the cocaine was, basically being honest,
was transferred to the suburb to wherewhite people was at and white people

(50:07):
were using more cocaine than black peoplewas using at an all time high.
And here we are fading like itis like our job is to do our
job and make sure that we areright. So when the cracklall came,
they made it one hundred and oneand they put us in jail for life.
We're gonna take a break right there, man, and come back,

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and I want to talk more aboutthat. You know, where there's a
rise, there's in most cases offall, right, And you know,
I'd like to sometimes say hustlers don'tretire. They get tired for most of
us. And let's go back tothat man and the penitentiary and all that
and the downfalls. We talked aboutthe high points. That's talk about the

(50:51):
those all right, So we'd beright back. CJ MATC tuned the Inn
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(51:22):
would have picked it up where weleft off if you guys don't mind.
And I want to say this.You know to every triumphant story, there
is a downfall, right and youknow, if we talk about the glamorous
part, we got to talk aboutthe consequences of our actions. So at

(51:42):
some point you got hit. Ofcourse, See I got hit different from
most people. Like when I firstgot hit, I had I'm with a
team and we we we end upgetting in some ship. At the end
of the day. It was likeall of them was indicted. So when

(52:02):
they got indicted, I was thelast one to be picked up and it
was still was how he looked.But they had something dear than me,
my whole team from when we waskids. So I went in bailed out
for a million dollars and we hadsome mishats down the road and it was

(52:27):
like, all right, it's timeto pay the piper. But the crazy
thing about it is I could havewalked home. I ain't had to go
to jail because I was in LasVegas when everything took place. But the
story is the story like it was. I had to come in and tell
him, like I got to takethis deal because my mom said, I

(52:51):
can't come home. That's my littlebrother come home with me. I had
to go to prison. So Iwent to prison. God did about five
six years, and I came homeand then something else happened and my wife
got murdered and it was devastated.So two months later I got reindicted again

(53:17):
for narcotics in a couple of differentstates. And at that time, it
was like, what do we do? How do we play this out?
And it's against the rules to tell. My crew don't know nothing about telling.
It's just against the rules because wewas trained by those old people,

(53:40):
and we were trained by our mothersand our fathers. And if dudes don't
understand what I'm about to say,that means they need to wake up and
touch their mom and their father andsay, why is this against the rules
for me to tell on my brothersBecause your mother and your father tell you

(54:00):
every day, do not tell onyour brother And if something happened. You
better make sure he gets home inone piece, or you bet not bring
your asshome. So this is therules that I've been under all my life.
So when it's a time for meto walk in the courtroom, my
team was looking at me. Iwas looking at them like, shit,
it's time to go to war.I need a suit because I ain't gonna

(54:21):
never wear one again. So youknow the consequences is that when you play
in the game, three things gonnahappen. You're gonna get rich, you're
gonna go to jail, or you'regonna get killed. So your rules is
real simple. When you walk intojail house, you're gonna man up and

(54:45):
be a man at all times.When you're in these streets, you're gonna
be a man and you're not gonnastell on nobody. You're not gonna walk
in the courtroom and holler about,oh I got a deal coming. Not
in the Federal House, they say, we don't care nothing about your deal
because we print the money and wedon't need your money. We need you

(55:05):
to tell on these people. Anddude say, yeah, I took a
deal. Now with me, youcould always understand me. You could google
me. I'm white from White AsEnterprise, and I'm in forty five FBD,
page twelve, forty five, andit's gonna be a long story about
me, not taking a deal,not doing nothing, going to trial,

(55:27):
putting everybody to prove that I wasguilty of a crime that I said I
didn't commit. I'm gonna always notcommit a crime, and everybody's gonna keep
telling me I did. But atthe end of the day, you're gonna
go to jail if you in thisgame. If you're not in this game,
you need to keep on going towork every day and not get in

(55:47):
this game. And that right therewill make you a better person. And
I recommend all children to sit backand listen to your mothers and your father's
and you should go to school andlearn everything you can learn so you can
become a doctor or lawyer. Becausewhen I walked into penitentiary, it's so
many young brothers from so many differentcliques that came only your where I was,

(56:13):
and the other guys that tell themlike that's whitey, and I sat
back tell them like, hey,ged go get it. You need it.
You need to know how to readand write. So if you're gonna
did something wrong. You need togo to the library so you can figure
out how you're going to get home, because it's a paper trail on you
everywhere you go and people trying toact right. If they told on somebody

(56:37):
that the paper's gonna be hit somewhere, it's not gonna be h. You
can pull it up any time youget ready and read on people as a
whole, and then you understand what'sgoing on in the court system because when,
like I said, when you takea deal, the court, the
court system say stand up and takethe deal. And the prosecutor said,
I told him, I'm going togive them this much time for him telling

(57:00):
me this much, and they belike wow. So that's how it happened.
Like yeah, the only way thatyou are not going to be in
trouble if you're your own colde offended, if you there by yourself and you
take a deal, ain't nobody totell on them. But if you if
you got cold defendings and you sithere and take a deal, you got

(57:21):
to tell what your co defender didas you tell on what you did.
Because this right here the way thefederal government works. People try to act
like it's not so, but itis so. So if you read the
books and read them correctly, youset back to understand. Is you get
an eight forty eight, it's anatural life sentence. A judge can't sit

(57:45):
back and say, oh, Ilike you, so I'm gonna give you
thirty years. That's not so.The prosecutor going to tell the judge he
ain't make no deal with me,so you need a sentence him what that
guideline book, Say that guideline book, say eight forty eight. You're gonna
get a life sentence. So youcan talk all the talk you want to.

(58:05):
But this is just how life goes. Now. Is you got an
eight forty six eight forty one,and you got five or six keys a
crack, you're gonna get a lifesent you're gonna be a level thirty six,
and you're gonna get four points forleadership. So you're gonna get a
life sentence. And you in categoryone or two or three, it don't
make a difference. Category is uphere. You're gonna get a life sentence.
I know it because I had alife sentence and they took my dope

(58:27):
and converted into crack. So theycan make sure, they gave me a
lifesentse So when I sat back andhad this conversation with the world, I'm
not scared to tell the world you'regonna read about me because it's gonna be
the truth. And this is theonly thing that we know, because we
want to be truthful. So theyoung kids today don't go out there and
do some dumb shit and try toget in a dope game, because getting

(58:49):
in the dope game is like committingsuicide. And like I said, I
looked at all the young kids walkon the yard because I'm sixty four or
sixty five, and I seen whenthey set back and talk to me about
certain things, and I try totell them, like, look, the
journey of life is a journey oflife. You're gonna do some good things,
You're gonna do some bad things.But right now you're in the situation

(59:13):
that you need to learn and understandyour next steps. So you need to
pick up a book and start readingthem. And it's good to read about
history. I read about Gangis Khan, and I understand gangs God and the
lordy that gangs Khan had to hiscrew, and Ganghis Khan made sure that
his crew was loyal to him.So we set back and we try to
make sure that our younger people knowthat school is good. Hustling is a

(59:38):
consequence. Come with it. Peopledon't want to accept it yet, but
it's a consequence. If you wantto use a gun, you're going to
prison for using that gun. Ifyou sell some dope, you're going to
prison for sellings and dope. Ifyou want to play with some credit cards,
you're going to prison for playing withthose toys. So we set back
and we learned so much about ourselves. Because when you see a young man

(01:00:02):
walking track with ten years a tear, really look in your eyes because you
think he's your son, or somethinglike, Wow, how much time did
you do on this last night?I did thirty. But it's just the
point I deserved every time I got, every day I got. I deserved

(01:00:23):
every damn day when I got andI stood up like a man because I
knew I was gonna get it.Because when I was a little boy sitting
in James Turning the House, BluesHouse, Sugar House, touy Reese's House,
Bill Jones House, they told meyou going to prison, and you
keep on playing this game, AndI went to prison, and I accepted

(01:00:43):
it right off the break, likeI got to go to jail. This
is what I got to do.But I don't wish jail on nobody in
America, nobody who looked like me. I never want to see them standing
for four o'clock count. So everyday when I look at the young brothers
right to they, I said,how do I make them better than I

(01:01:04):
was? You know, that's themost important thing to me, Making them
understand that, Hey, it's abetter way for you guys to play.
You guys got computers, you guysgot the Internet. You guys can be
whatever you want to be. Youcan turn right tomorrow morning and say I'm
gonna be a plumber. Plumbers getpaid a lot of money to do that

(01:01:25):
job. Everybody's not gonna be arapper. Everybody's gonna be a basketball player,
a football player. They're not gonnabe a doctor. But they can
be construction workers. And they can'town the construction company. They can't own
their own hamburger stand, they can'town their own smoke shop. They can
can own their own market. Theycan own all these things. But it's

(01:01:45):
up for someone to whisper it intheir ear, like you can be whatever
you want to be and there's nolimitations on what you can be, and
it's okay to be them things.See, we growified a lot of times
being the rapper, the ballplayer,you know, the dope dealer. We

(01:02:07):
glorify that as people, as aculture, we don't say it's cool to
be that plumber, to be thatelectrician, to do these jobs where there
are these To me, these jobsare always going to be in need,
and that we're always going to needsomebody to do this. That janitor,
you know that we shiit on.We used to shoot them when we was

(01:02:29):
younger, like a man whatever,whatever. And you get older and you
see that the dude is a standup dude. He go to work every
day to provide for his family.We don't It's unfortunate that we don't glorify
that. We don't tell people theseare the real heroes. These are some
of our real heroes. But I'mjust happy that you going through what you

(01:02:50):
went through. Even CJ. CJsit up all the time and tell me
I heard a lot of these stories. You know, I never was one
to act like I knew thing aboutyou know about the game, being being
around and seeing players getting down comingup. But I heard a lot of
stories from CJ, and CJ usedto tell me that, Man, I
look back a lot of times andsome of the things I've done in the

(01:03:13):
destruction that I've caused on some ofthese people coming up on what I was
doing now that I got a chance, a second chance. Well really probably
not a second, probably a thirdor fourth chance, you know, because
what you guys is doing back inthe day is getting down or something like
that. It's a lot that youa lot of times, you guys survived
the bullet miss, you know,miss the real deal. And I'm not

(01:03:36):
talking about just to death. I'mtalking about getting a lot of time the
where you just washed up because theygive it out lignement numbers. Now.
So CJ said he always wanted todo something, and that's one thing that
I commend him on, especially withthis platform and having cats like you sit
down and share your game. Butthen also to talk about, you know,

(01:03:58):
what are you doing now that youhave a second chance, And which
brings me to another question. Rightnow, got you got a school that
you're building, right, Yeah,what's the name of the school. It's
gonna be fulfilling a dream, fulfillingthe dream, for filling the dream Academy
Academy. Yes, and it's teachingkids to do what. It's teaching kids

(01:04:21):
from eleven to eighteen on how toopen a computer, Okay, and they
graduate from that part. The otherteam's gonna teach them how to do podcasts
and work cameras. So everything thatwe try to do right now is for
kids to understand that if we canrestructure that thinking ability and teach them how

(01:04:46):
to do coding, they'll be ableto walk in flip flops in China,
in Germany, in all these othercountries and get paid six figures. You
don't have to have a high schooleducation to do this for real, but
it's good for you to have whenyou don't have to go to college.
You just got to learn the necessarytools to be successful when you're playing with

(01:05:09):
computers, because the tech world isreally a great world of being, and
it's my job as an individual whoin my era, I will say this
and people say, wow, Ididn't see what everybody else saying because I
never was around long enough to evenrecognize somebody being hungry, because everybody I

(01:05:31):
knew had something they eat But asI walked the penitentiary yards and I started
reflecting on the people that was comingin, it told me like, ooh,
you got to teach another way now. So my teaching always transferred because
I got a way to understand becauseI don't read a million books, and

(01:05:54):
I went all the way back inhistory to understand what is needed at the
moment because right now we in adifficult moment that my corporation, it is
a recovery Los Angeles. So everybodyasked, what do that mean. I
say, I'm here to recover everythingthat everybody else did wrong, and I

(01:06:18):
put myself in the same mix soI can grab these kids. Why we
have an opportunity to take them ona new level because the playing fields always
ship. They don't don't they don'tstate it. Okay, you know you
remember cotton picking. Black people pickcotton, but they don't pick cotton no

(01:06:39):
more. Everybody said, wow,when the oil came, black people didn't
getting an OI game black people didin the tech world. Black people didn't
getting the tech world white people did. So how why can we put our
children in place where they can mergethemselves in those games? So when they

(01:07:00):
start merging themselves in those games,they can do something great. But this
right here, off the record,this for you guys to understand the way
I look at certain things. TheOlympics is coming up, but before the
Olympics come up, the World Gamesare coming up for soccer. And I

(01:07:20):
want to see all the young kidsaround us right now, go check themselves
in the silk screams in class sothey can learn how to make shirts right
now, because it's gonna be Everystate in the world is coming to the
United States and they need to havethese tea shirts. Like the Spanish people

(01:07:40):
that doom cones. They need tohave these ready. I teach not myself
and not the kids. I teachyou. Also, I give you the
knowledge that I have so you cantake advantage of this knowledge while I'm here.
And I don't try to hold itback because I want everybody who look
like me to be successful. Sothat's the whole topic. It's like I

(01:08:04):
try to make everybody successful in myearly days on what the information they gave
me. Now I got new information. Now I want to share it so
they can understand. Look, it'sa different way to hustle. You don't
have to hustle getting ready to goto jail. You can hustle by doing
it this way, and then youcan put your money in the bank,

(01:08:27):
and then you can put it inloans and get the loans that you need
to go forward. Because once youhit this milestone, here come the Olympics
right behind it, and it's gonnabe again. Every country in the world
gonna be here for Olympics. Sohere we are looking at each other saying
how much money do you have?How much money is gonna take us to

(01:08:48):
get where we want to go.It's not gonna take that much because you
can save your money. You cango to work every day and save your
money right now and go take thatcrash that trade tech and come out of
it and buy machine for ten thousanddollars. And here you are in the
game, right back in the game. But you was doing it so legally
that no one can take that awayfrom you. This time. You just

(01:09:10):
got to pay some taxes. Sohere we are we thinking about how do
we redevelop all way of thinking.First we got to touch the kids who
was younger than us and try toframe to them right, Mama loved you,
but Mama don't have the cure.Yeah, the curer is right here.

(01:09:32):
This right here is going to takeyou and put you on a new
platform and you can take care ofmama later. But you need to learn
this right here. And when youtake care of this, you can look
at the rest of the people aroundyou like, we want a mission,
We want a real mission. Ourmission is to make sure that we restructure

(01:09:53):
our community. So once once we'rethere all the way, we can buy
our houses back where our uncles andour other people sold all about regentification,
but they just sold the houses becausethey wanted mama's and grandfather's money and they
gave everything away. So now theyoung kids got to get an opportunity right

(01:10:15):
now, at this time to putthat thought pattern in order. So AI
it creates all kinds of things foryou. So we got to bring our
kids up on point and like,look, you can use AI to mass
off you a beautiful shirt that youwon't and have it printed. So when
these people come from these other countries, you dare you already got print a

(01:10:40):
dead country and it's on a Tshirt. And they smiled like, yeah,
give me that. Give me thirtyfive dollars a year for thirty five
dollars. So is you print theseshirts up now and be ready. They're
got your check start Like you said, it's still us right. And one
another thing, I really love thatyour organization is still white. He's enterprise.

(01:11:03):
You know, they're not only teachingthe film is construction. You're teaching
people how to do construction work,and you know, a whole bunch of
other things. Man, you stillhe owns it. There's so many things
he's saying as possible for these kidsto do. He owns He owns a
Hamburger stand, he owns the smokeshop. You know. So he's uh
in the community doing things. He'sworking with different things of the church.

(01:11:27):
You just had it being with awoman from black Wall Street that just turned
what one hundred and three, onehundred and nine years old? Yes,
they is mother Flecher, Happy birthday, Mother Fletcher. They think about the
young lady one hundred and nine yearsold, beautiful, she got her wits.

(01:11:50):
And I must say, they askedme why they are you excited?
I like, oh, because Idon't know what failure is. I never
feel that nothing I did right.And the team around from the churches and
uproar, Oh, Mother Fletcher hereand I'm looking at him like, that's

(01:12:14):
for you, guys. I gotto finish this show. This is a
show. So with Mother Fletcher.She was here for three days and we
put a spectacular show on. Shesold about three hundred books, and people
got an opportunity to see black history. Yes, you know, black history
is important. And we sat back. Every day we look at each other

(01:12:34):
and we ridiculed each other so muchthat we forget where we came from.
And Mother Fletcher once again is thelady from Black Mall Street, the last
surviving, last survivement. It's onlytwo of them left. Those two,
okay, there's one one hundred andsix and it's one of one hundred and
nine. Wow. And the greatthing about it is that her story was

(01:13:00):
told in a manner that what isimportant to me at this moment in my
life, And she answered it socorrectly that a tear came down my life.
I'm like, wow, this litmy whole life up. She said,
educate the kids, who educate thekids? Now, I try my

(01:13:24):
best not to just educate kids.I try my best to educate who ever
around me. So always been teened, got to be teen and some people
trying to trying to run away fromhelping each other out. In the old
days, when you were broke upwith your girlfriends, your girl, her
girlfriends were trying to get you backwith her man. Now today when you

(01:13:48):
break up with your girlfriend, hergirlfriend's trying to steal her lands. So
it's just crazy. So when Isat back and I have conversations, like,
my program is based on community.So when we industry came in,
any an expert that happened to bethe expert when the other part came rolling

(01:14:14):
down the hill where they needed someoneto step up and say, how are
we going to get somebody elected?Me and my team we stepped to the
plate, like, how can weget Current Price back elected? Let's get
to work. So we had totell Current Price and a few other people
this right here, and it maygo over a whole lot of people head
that if you want to be elected, you better go talk to those kids.

(01:14:39):
And everybody be looking like why becausethe kids mother's vote, father's vote,
So you lack it on your job. So you need to go talk
with those kids and tell those kidsthat you are there for them to get
them and put them in the rightschool to have the right to to succeed

(01:15:00):
in life. And this is whatthis was really all about. When I
sit back and look at rappers andeverything else, I'm like, when you
guys gonna tell the kids, Hey, you're gonna need to get a job,
because I worked real hard to gethere. In it, I was
lucky, right right. Yeah,it's ain't too many dubs. Yeah,

(01:15:23):
you know, the ain't too manydumb seas. They don't get that lucky
in the world. They have allthe talent in the world, but they
don't have the right person pushing down. They're not gonna get that. You're
on the right team make you said, yeah, so well, thank you
man. I appreciate We appreciate yourtime. We appreciate you taking out your
business schedule to come to sit withus, and you don't sit with many

(01:15:44):
people, so you really feel like, we really feel blessed and we really
appreciate you. You know, whenwe bring people on such as Whitey and
Whitey Enterprises, it's not to glorifythe game and in the cars and the
jewelry and all that is a lotof that going on. We also want
to show the growth in men andthe concern for men and where the heart

(01:16:08):
comes from. Even just because you'rea hustled on me and you're a bad
person to me, you're stuck ina situation that you're trying to get out
of and you're trying to lift upand bring other people along the world with
you. Sometimes the laws in inour favors, and sometimes you have to
do a thing or two to makesure that you can advance in life.
And sometimes we pay the price forhaving made those choices. But sometimes we

(01:16:29):
welcome those choices and understand that that'swhat comes along with the game. But
it's all about redemption to turn aroundand doing something great for the community.
This man started an organization called WhiteHe's Enterprises, and he got out of
prison after doing over thirty years andhe's still White He's Enterprises. But it
went from doing bad to doing awhole lot of good. We salute him.

(01:16:50):
He's a Los Angeles general and nevertold you know what I'm saying,
State down ted Toes. Thank youvery much, man, appreciate you much
love, much love, much more. I stay safe and keep living good.
Oh yeah we're here, man,So thank you for tuning in to
the dub C and C J.Mac show once again. I am c

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