New Episode: TS Dixon Unplugged, The Woke Mind Viruses Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
First of all, I am absolutely honored to have T. S.
Stixon in the house. Tes, Welcome to the Donain Frema Show.
You've been on virtually, this is the first time actually
in studio. Welcome. Thanks, Matt. You know, I love the
new studio.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's beautiful and I'm very honored to be the first
podcast guest in your new studio.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, it's it's it's interesting you you were the first
one to take the plunge. So for the people who
don't know you and didn't have a chance to watch
the twenty k show and haven't had a chance to
pick up The Woke Mind Viruses, which is cleverly placed
right over the middle of us, tell me a little
bit about yourself, tell me a little bit about the book,
and give people the vanilla before we get into the

(00:41):
deep stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah. So, I'm a conservative analyst and author. This is
my first book, The Woke Mind Viruses, and I was
motivated to produce this book and put it out and
promote it. And I'm in the promotional cyclever right now
just to get this message out, to get the word out,
because because I just feel strongly that we're in very important,

(01:03):
dire political times and I felt like this message needed
to get out. You know, we're getting a lot of converts.
We're getting a lot of people waking up realizing that
something's not right, something's going on, they're not sure what
it is, and a lot of people are coming over
to our side. But then the process of educating those
people and equipping them with information, facts, intelligence so that

(01:27):
they can then make great decisions and figure out how
they fit into the political process is a whole nother ballgame.
And so what I feel like I've done here with
this book is produce something that can catch people up
to speed. That might take someone ten, fifteen, twenty years
researching on their own, I can fast track them and
in one weekend read you know, bring them up from where.

(01:50):
How we got here? You know what happened? And where
where do we go from here? What are our countermeasures?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
You know what? I was perusing the indices, how many
reference we were on the phone together. I was looking
at the amount of references you used for the book,
and it blew me away. Very rarely do people, in
my opinion, spend more time researching than they do writing.
And that's one of the conundrums that we find people
doing onion surface level type books and not really going

(02:17):
into it full force. Many How many points of research
did you have when writing this book?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I think the end count came somewhere like eight hundred
and eighty references at the end of the day. But
you know, it was a labor of passion because I've
been fascinated by these topics and by these different movements
for twenty some years. So I've been researching them on
my own as just a hobbyist avid researcher, which I

(02:45):
started at university, and so this is just something I
habitually do, I enjoy and then my wife kept telling
me I needed to put something together. I started writing
a different book, and somehow, in the process of that
creative method, this book emerged.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
What were you working on besides this?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know it was it was similar to this, but
it had other, I don't know, other good books. I mean,
I knew I wanted to write something in this vein
for this purpose, right, but it was a totally different book.
And then this book sort of came out of that
because I did a lot of it. I recorded a
lot of it just extemporaneously, and then I transcribed it,

(03:29):
and then I'd go in and edit it. And so
through that process this book emerged. And what's funny is
I was a writer moonlighting as a writer in my twenties,
and then in my thirties I didn't I didn't put
anything out. But every year I would try to write
a book and i'd put a manuscript together, I'd go
back and read it. I hate it. I'd hate it,

(03:49):
so I'd throw the garbage can for ten for a decade.
And then when I wrote this, I put the manuscript away,
came back a couple months later, and I loved it,
and I it felt like I was reading somebody else's work.
And then the more I edited it, the more I
loved it.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Do you preview your writing or do you kind of
just like set it and forget it and let editor
or take it away and when you get into that
phase or do you do you like? The reason I
asked the question is I'm built that way. So I'll
create something and then I critique it incessantly and tweak
it until it's right. And sometimes, like you say, especially
when you're twenty to thirty, that's a very large gap

(04:29):
where you change your mentality between those ages. More than
so far anytime in my life. So I'll probably throw
something away after I tweak and peak it. But do
you do that from you as Tea stackson or do
you look at it from an editorial perspective and just
get the eyes and the t's crossed?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, I try to divorce myself from it once I
do the first pass, and then yeah, I use beta readers,
so I'll give it to a trusted circle of readers.
I'll take their notes into consideration, and then once enough
time has passed, I'll come back to it and I
try to be I try to look at it with
fresh eyes as if I'm not the person that wrote it, uh,

(05:05):
and then attack it critics, you know, attack it in
every way I can.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
What's the biggest challenge with that? When you're doing it?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
For me, the biggest challenge is revulsion, you know, uh,
with the when you when you do a lot of writing,
it's very personal. It's sort of like taking parts of
your psyche and externalizing them out into the world, embodying them.
And then, uh, sometimes you don't like what you see
or you don't like how it's how it strikes you,

(05:36):
and so for the author could be very visceral and
so that was my biggest challenge. And then somehow with
this it was a whole different story. And yeah, it
almost felt like I didn't write it, but uh, but
I love it and I'm very proud of it, and
I was happy to put it out and we did
a lot of work on the editing and uh and

(05:57):
just preparing it, and it's been doing really well.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, well certainly has the listeners who follow the show
seem to love it. Everyone I've turned it on to
seem to love it. Leroy is probably going to take
up the whole interview tonight because he's so excited to
talk to you. Speaking of it being visceral, it's interesting
the book itself doesn't have a lot of emotional platitudes.
It tends to stay fairly even keeled. It's not an

(06:25):
encyclopedia of information. It's just well thought out, well structured,
all in one place, which puts the lines of delineation
to start the chapter, explain it and then end it
and then have it move on to next. But I
also found it was fairly cathartic. At the end, I
felt like I had gained something out of reading it,

(06:45):
and it wasn't just education but it was like, Okay,
I kind of see where the forest of the trees.
I see how I should kind of perceive things differently
than maybe even I didn't understand because the whole wake
versus awake versus woke thing, Yeah, I think is a cliche,
but it's kind of it's fairly palpable when you do
start seeing all of the connections and go, wait a second,

(07:09):
how did I miss this? This was so obvious? Can
you talk a little bit about that? How did you
take yourself from the emotional piece out of it, stay
factual but still have that cathartic reaction that I described. Well,
you know, I had a goal.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I wanted to not just educate people, but equip people.
And I know that people have been conditioned. We have
social engineers that have sort of guided our education system
and our media and our arts, and so a lot
of the information people have is recontained or withheld, or
or it's misdirected, or it's false. And so in doing this,
I'm almost it's almost a work that is meant to

(07:45):
deprogram you if you've come up through the traditional system,
and so it's doing that by presenting you with facts
and truth and it's not written to be academic. It's
not written for scholars and professors and the academic crowd.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
It's written for they wouldn't it anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, And and really, you know, there's all these false
arguments that happen in left versus right politics, and I
didn't want to engage in any of the nonsense and
the false arguments. I think it's a waste of time.
So what I did was, I just went to the truth.
I just went to the point of origin, and I
went to the actual motives, agendas, and belief systems. And
I just wanted to create a framework, a simple framework

(08:24):
that's easy to understand, because the stuff all all is
easy to understand. You know, when a lot of these
writers are so thick and dense when they write their material,
and they meander and they use this complex language that's
difficult to penetrate and get to, like what are they
really saying? What do they really mean? What do they
really believe? But at the end of the day, once
you distill it all down, it's very simple.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
They're taking something very simple and very shallow and making
it seem very deep. So I reverse engineered that and
I just gave. I give you the plain facts about
this is who they really are, This is what they
actually believe, and that's this is what the consequences of
those beliefs are, of their tactics and I and in
doing that, I identified you know, there's many groups, many

(09:05):
factions that make up the coalition of the left as
well as the right. But I couldn't tell the story
of every little group and the neocons and these guys.
So I boiled it down to the four main groups
that spearhead the leftist movement, and that's the liberals, their history,
the leftists, the globalists, and then the new woke phenomenon.

(09:29):
And I just I wanted to get right to it
and give people the answers.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, do you think the person who started writing at
that age of twenty could have even encroached upon this
level of writing? Now? Do you think it's it's based
upon time, experiential learning, patience? Well, what is it? Do
you think that that person back then didn't have that
you have now?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh? Just specific? Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know
what it was.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I think.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I think in my twenties I was more doing fiction,
what type, all types? I was interested in a lot
of different genres. I was doing science fiction. I did
some fantasy work. I did some.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Action okay, thriller. This is what we did on the phone.
Uh at a fantasy writer. Who's who's your go to?
Who's who you know?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like Tolkien? And yeah he's the main he's the primo guy.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But I was always absorbed in books as a child
in elementary school. So Crichton was my favorite, and Stephen
King and others.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah. So okay, so that was the That was the
fiction piece. If you haven't picked up Feist, raymondy Feist,
the Magician series, just yeah, it makes Tolkien look like
pee wee Herman the typewriter. It's pretty good. All right.
So you were talking about how you started working with
different forms of content, But what was the big thing

(10:51):
that you look back on at that younger version of
yourself versus now where maybe you probably could not not probably,
but you couldn't write this level of book back then. Yeah,
but you can write it now.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well it's twenty four years of research, sure, and then
and then you're what you're really doing. And you know,
this is the problem I have with the conservative movement
when you join, when you come over and you get involved.
Then you're putting a puzzle together. Sure, because there's so
much social engineering and so much information withholding that's taking
place in our society right that it's very mysterious, it is.

(11:26):
And then you're fed with all of these misdirections, you're
fed with all of these false arguments, and so it's
like a whirlwind meant to confuse you. And so if
you're really curious about where what's really going on and
why things are happening, then it's up to you to
be digging find, you know, researching and judging and parsing
all these different forms of independent media, going and doing
all of this research, going down all these rabbit holes

(11:47):
and trying to piece it all together. And I ask
a lot of like really knowledgeable enthusiastic conservatives and populists,
you know, however people define themselves on the right, how
long did it take you to put the picture together?
Understand the globalist, the deep state, the whole thing, the structure,
and huh yeah, Well, the people that have put that together,

(12:09):
it took them usually around fifteen to twenty five years.
For me, it took at least twenty years. And so
I thought, well, that's not fair.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, it's all withheld sort of like financial education from
the middle classes and upper middle class and down. It's
all well withheld from us in the system for a reason, right,
so that we don't inherit the upper class ranks of
the societal order. And so this is also withheld. So
I thought, well, why don't I just reverse that? Why
don't I take all this information and knowledge and history

(12:41):
that the few have, and why don't I just give
it to the many? And why don't I make it
so simple and boiled down fifth grader could understand it
and comprehend it and instead of taking fifteen twenty twenty
five years to piece it. I mean, let's look at Trump.
Trump was politically active for fifty years when he was
elected his first term because he was in New York
a businessman. He's he's donating, he's involved in New York politics,

(13:03):
he's interested in federal politics. So fifty years he sort
of involved understanding that process. He gets into office elected
as president, did not understand the deep state, did not
understand the globalist cabal, did not understand the amount of fraud.
He was sort of naive and innocent when it came
to the amount of fraud, the amount of election fraud,

(13:24):
the amount of corruption, the amount of theft going on.
He had no idea and what they would be willing
to do, the levels they would be willing to sink
to or resort to in order to stop someone like him. Right,
But he learned quickly. But he paid a big price.
But for that lack of education. They took a pound
of flesh for every part of it. He didn't understand.

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They took their pound of flesh from him. Right. They
took his ear right, a part of his ear They
put him through hell in yeah, financial hell, put him
through these investigations, which is hell, put his family through hell.
They rated his compound mar a lago, right, and then half.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
A billion dollar overall bond, I mean, the largest bond
ever in.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
History trumped up.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, lawsuits, misdemeanors.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Accusing him of rape, being someone in a clothing store.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
But rape is sexy. Remember, Eugene Carrol said, Oh my god,
it's interesting you're making because that is a trial by
fire if you look at the time period. Because the
funny thing about Trump, and a lot of people don't
even understand, is that, uh, it was an amalgamation of
different party politics that built who he was. I mean,

(14:37):
he identified for as a Democrat for a little under
nine years. He was predominantly a conservative. He rubbed shoulders
with a reform party, the Libertarian Party, but predominantly a
conservative people go back to the Oprah tapes. He was
he was a fiscal Regan conservative, blue collar democratic worst.
But even with all of that tutelage and all that

(14:59):
studying and experiential from a level that nobody listening to
this cast or you and I understand the amount of
money and sheer influence that he possessed. You just don't
experience that. You just don't read about that. You've got
to be in it. So all of his worldly knowledge
and he still fell for one of the oldest tricks

(15:22):
in the books when it comes to politics, which is
you know nothing until you're a part of that system
and you can read about it and you can experience it.
And luckily I got into it at a very young age.
I started diving into politics around six years old. With
the Iran contry here. Yeah, and my grandmother used to
shelve out cookies and subway sandwiches in the breakfast line
and lunch line at Anna Kappa Middle School. Yeah, and

(15:45):
she would always made me through, you know, because I
would show up with my French bread pizza and my
grape juice welches and with a little Pops draw and
she would be like, go, go, go right, and she
would take money out of her check and put it
in there and anyway, So I was very interested. My
father was marine is a marine passed away, but I

(16:06):
saw all north and I was so just enamored with
the salad and the uniform and the christness and the
way he talked. So she would take me home when
the Iran contract hearings were going on and let me
ditch school and watch it over at her house. So
I was always interested. And then I ran with some
campaigns and did some work in Wyoming that kind of

(16:28):
cut my teeth of the party politics, but also saw
a lot of it in the military and understanding the
politics in the military. So but Trump had all of that.
Why do you think not that? What do you think
went through his head when he gets sworn in? Yes,
three hours later and this is a long way around

(16:49):
the barn. But three hours later he sees there is
a call for an impeachment printed in the WAPA and
a couple of other articles. Yeah, calling he's been sworn in,
let's impeach. And not only that, but literally within just
a couple of weeks, has a one point six trillion
dollar omnibus bill laying in front of him, and they

(17:10):
tell him, in order for you to get the defense,
to get the nuclear reducts that you're looking to do
to reinstill our defense in this country, protect this country,
you've got to go ahead and sign one point six
trillion of pork. And he says, I'm signing it and
I will never do it again. Yeah, And I was like, oh, no,

(17:31):
it has begun, because I was like, dude, yes you will.
You're going to have to if you want to get
anything done in Washington. Can can you speak a little
bit about just that whole process for Trump? What do
you think he learned in that four he learned sitting
out for four but now that he's back in, can
you break it down? Because you've done a great job.
I mean, you've got some amazing stuff you've been talking about.

(17:52):
And that's where I want people to kind of see
the Bingo card and your process, and that's I set
it up in a long way, and I apologize it
took took a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, So he's coming in and he's an outsider. He
understands the systems, the ins and outs of business, the
legal accounting, tax provisions of real estate, of corporation work,
things of that nature. Politics he sort of understood, but
from an outside looking in. And for the longest time,

(18:21):
the highest branches of government were protected and held for
only club insiders. And so these are the ones that
fully understand the systems, the ins and outs, and so
as he's coming in, he's learning on the job. But
the other problem there is that, like all of us,
he also had a lot of this information withheld from him,

(18:43):
and he underwent the social engineering as a baby boomer
post World War Two, where he had adopted this idealistic
view of America as the ultimate good guys, that we
are not corrupt, we're moral, we're Christian, we are whatever.
And yeah, the people might be, but the federal government
is not. And the federal government has thoroughly been corrupted

(19:05):
and taken over and serves a different master, not the people.
And so he as are the representative. You know, he's
symbolic because when you have a big tyrannical establishment take
over and centralized power. And this always happens. This is
the nature of it, right. The more wealthy and powerful
you become, the more wealth and power you accumulate, right,

(19:28):
and you eventually must form alliances. And then this always happens.
This is the third great cycle where this has happened
in Western civilization in the modern time. And so what
always happens then is a champion emerges from the people.
There's a big populist uprising when they've had enough, they're
fed up, and the support swells this champion into office

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to carry out the will and reforms of the people.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
And that's Trump.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
And so as he goes in, he's not just getting
the education. We're observing him. He's an open book and
we're getting educated too on the ins and outs of
government in the same time. But you see the price
he's paying for the tuition for the classes that he
missed because they were withheld from him and everyone else
on purpose. This is tactical, right, This is the information

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that everyone must have going in in the future. And
so those are the areas I'm covering in the book
that dispel these legends of America and these innocent, idealistic,
naive concepts that we hold of our country and how
our system works. Like for instance, right now, I mean
this generation what is it Z or generation zero? Yeah,

(20:41):
I mean they're getting generation why bother?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, each of.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Each generation successfulatively after the war World War two has
been robbed more and more thoroughly, that's fair to say.
And the theft and robbery and destruction of the economic
structure that's supposed to be in play is just getting
to a point where it's going to be it's becoming
almost intolerable. And so now you're seeing what happens. Then

(21:09):
if that doesn't change, you see radicalism. The response is radicalism.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Sure, we've seen that, And I agree with you. There
also has to be something that needs to be brought
up with the lack of self discipline in the generations.
Also when it comes to spending, when it comes to
want versus need, a lot of people talk about, well,
my mom and dad could work at us, you know,
one job, and my father would work and we could

(21:35):
afford a simple house and a car and have a
phone line and everything else. And I completely agree. It's
always hard, but it's not like your generation and my generation,
we're simply started working at Jack in the Box and
having a family. Yeah. I lived in a studio apartment
that was three hundred and fifty square feet. I didn't
have a brand new car. I didn't have the best
sound system. I had to make choices and have the

(21:56):
self discipline not to get caught up in the materialism
that the things that you own wind up owning you. Right.
But this generation does seem to want it all. They
want instant gratification, they want everything. They want to be
a CEO out of the four years they want to
go to school. They were promised things that are impossible
to achieve. Is that not just an economical burden, but

(22:20):
also a psychological burden. That's different from when our parents
said you had to go earn it, and now you
have a generation that says you deserve it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, you're going to have youthful idealism, which you'll fade
away when you get the root awakening and the.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Twenty to thirty to the real world. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, so I would say, you know, you almost have
some element of that in every generation. But one of
the things I go into in the book is is
the sheer amount of criminal theft that's happening, and I
outline I think it's like twenty or twenty one methodologies
by which those that call themselves globalists pipulate our system

(23:00):
of government, in our system of laws in order to
steal en mass from America. And when they steal on
that level and rob America, it hits everybody. But the
impact in the consequences of the theft and the lack

(23:22):
and the poverty that comes from the theft becomes more
and more severe as you move down.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
The puerid it goes down the ladder.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yep, So I outline twenty at least twenty, and there's
more than twenty ways that they are just illegally criminally
robbing us. It's just insane.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, So I trickle down economics. It's not the theory
of just taking mass distribution from the wealth and bringing
it down the ladder. It's also when you do have theft,
or you do have an overspend and you look at
thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, this also trickles down
the same way. Essentially, shit rolls downhill.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
And to the younger, the younger people that are just
entering the economy. So if you've and the theft is
gone and worse and worse over the eighty to one
hundred years. And so if you started working, started your
career earlier, and you're earning money and acquiring property through
all the inflationary cycles, and as the laws are going
to be more and more kleptocratic, right, well, you're you're

(24:16):
going to be sitting in a place where you're going
to keep more of that wealth and money. But if
you're entering later on when it's you know, there's only
bones to pick at, you know, you're sort of out
of luck.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Do you think it's possible for a younger person in
today's society to be as successful as their parents?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
It's it is, but you know it the opportunity. America
is the richest nation in the history of the world,
of all human societies, okay, and so there should be
such wealth, such a pool of wealth here that a
large percentage should be able to, with a you know,
moderate amount of effort, become financially successful or at least

(24:56):
financially stable, right, Right. The more that that full of
money shrinks because it's being stolen and siphoned off right
to international elites, the more this happens, there's less and less,
and so you're just going to have a it's going
to constrict the number of people that are going to
experience that level of success. Financially, it's going to get

(25:17):
fewer and fewer. That's a big problem. And it's not right.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
It's unjust.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
It's unlawful, right because it's being stolen. It should be
there for them to go and earn and go after,
but it's being stolen from them before they can do that.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
So we say it's me ands soul who directly is
as politicians is a fast fat cat CEOs, global elites.
When you narrow this down and put your finger on it,
people have always made money. People have always at the top,
whether it be CEOs or people who go through and
get a doctorate or whatever it would be, or invest properly. Yeah,

(25:52):
there's always a collection of people who have the have
the have nots. I mean we can go back to
try to day as feudal days.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I talking about the haves and have nots.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
What are we talking about.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
We're talking about economic theft, mass scale economic theft.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, so who would be the targets of that? Who
would be we know, are the victims.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Who's doing it? Yeah, who's the perpetrator? Sure, it's an
It is a central banking cartel, okay. And then they've
been manipulating and influencing the laws to make the laws
more and more kleptocratic in their favor so they can
steal more and more money out of the economy without.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Going to jail, right, okay.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
And so it started in nineteen thirteen when they established
the Federal Reserve banking system and created a debt based
money system and not going to get into all.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
The nerdy you're ok, go ahead, but.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Then you know they got through the court system. They
also started to weaken the anti trust laws so that
then through their either their funds or the direct share
ownership they have in major corporations, they could gobble up
more and more small and mid sized companies until all
you're left with is a cartel of conglomerates, okay, which

(26:58):
used to be illegal.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Right, hundreds of you, Yes, so Southern California, Edison pac bell,
I mean we can go on and note on us.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
So now all those families that would have owned those
small to medium sized companies and made a good living. Sure,
and then that you know that moves down through their
family and their neighborhood and their community. Now that's concentrated,
it's centralized with these mega wealthy people that don't really
need it. And again, I'm not a socialist or communist,
but I'm anti financial corruption, I'm anti theft, I'm anti

(27:26):
you know, I'm thou shalt not steal guy, and a.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Free market capitalist, right, which is that this is antithetical
to free market capitalism.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Free market capitalism has two weaknesses. And that's why the
federal government. One of its duties as the vanguard, is
to protect us from these two weaknesses. And the two
major weaknesses of capitalism, once called a monopoly and the
other ones called a cartel. Okay, And so free market
capitalism works beautifully and everybody prospers. It is the cure

(27:54):
to poverty. Okay. When we trade and we're free to
create businesses, to create goods and services and exchange them freely,
serving our peers with their wants and needs at a price.
The two agree on. That's free market capitalism, that's markets.
But when you change the laws to allow all these
corrupt practices to take place, you don't have that anymore.

(28:15):
You have an oligarchy, you have cartel formation, and then
you have economic massive economic theft. And I really haven't
touched on this a lot in a lot of the interviews,
but I feel like this, this needs to become a
major issue.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Okay, the other way, we'll good, you can say where
you found it at.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I'll just touch on a couple more. The other
laws that they got changed, so they weaken the antitrust
laws so they could form monopolies cartels, which is nuts
that you know, you can only buy two phone operating
systems in the United States. That's a monopoly, right, that's unbelievable.
We have all these software geniuses, but we only have
two operating systems that we can buy. Why we're not

(28:51):
going to go down that rebit. There's a reason why.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, there is a reason why. Okay, so hold on,
let's go to We're not going down a rabbit hole.
Let's just let's just put the reason out there and
people are smart enough to look at it. You know
the reason. I know the reason? What is it?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Well, part of it is is is theft and control monopolies.
The other part is surveillance.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's for surveillance is the number one reason it's.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
The absolutely, that's the way they were set up with
in q Tel. The CIA's money investing the firm, yep,
so that they could control it right as the industry.
They know the trends, they know what's coming.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, and you're talking with Lee, Ryan and I will
be on tonight. We've worked with the programs that do
it right. We know, yeah, even though we can't talk
about them. So I don't want to say I want
you to hold onto this because this is a really
good point, But I'm thinking of something else. When you
talk you're a Thomas Soul guy. I'm sure. Sure you
talk about the vulnerabilities to capitalism being a monopoly and
a cartel, but there is a third and that's over regulation,

(29:40):
and that is dictated by the government. Can we ever
have a true free market capitalism when the government sets
the rules.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, I would argue that that is not a weakness
of capitalism. That's the weak to seth See, cartels and
monopolies will naturally arise from capitalism if left unchecked. Okay,
it is the natural right disease that capitalism possesses is
infected with sure regulation, I would say is part of
the disease.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Of big government, right, But you have to have regulation
in order, so it does not. So it has some
guard rails regulation, but it's the people who are using
under the guise of guardrails as a benefit to Americans
to ultimately use these criminal acts. So that we're discussing.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
The purpose of government is to protect the property and
rights of the citizens, correct, okay, And so we grant
them the power to regulate businesses and produce laws that govern,
you know, moral behavior. We give this power over to
our governments by voting them in and whatnot, and we
could take it away by voting them out.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's that's the intention of the system, and that's the intention.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
But you know, there there's a moral standard which is
just and unjust, just like wars. There's just wars and unjust,
and regulations and laws there's just and unjust, and that
is whether they line up with moral law right, the
right and wrong which exists in the substrate, okay, which
we gather, which is pro which is in us, which

(31:08):
we understand by our very nature. And then these are
the laws and the regulations that either produce good outcomes
or bad outcomes. Just regulations produce generally good outcomes. Unjust
produced negative outcomes.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Right, But isn't that the whole isn't that antithetical to
a free market? Where a free market is supposed to
be sited the rules and regulations and the ebbs and
flows are decided by the consumer. Yes, and that's been
taken away, right because when you talk about for selection,
or there's only two choices where to go for power,
there's only two choices of where to get your internet. Yeah,

(31:44):
that's a duopoly. Is not a free market. This is
what happened in Russia. This we know this, we know
with with the automobile industry, with the power industry. Reagan's
one of his greatest jokes ever told. I think you
probably heard it when he was talking quickly. So see
if I can get this right. He goes and says, listen,
I want to go ahead and buy a car, and

(32:05):
he asked him go He so, fine, you got to
go and get your license, and you've got to go
get in line for it, and you'll have your car.
So he goes to the ministry and he says, great,
I've saved money for my car. I want to buy it.
And he says, great, Well, we'll put you on a
list and we'll see you in ten years. He's like,
ten years, I've got to wait ten years for a car.
And the guy's like, yeah, absolutely, But he's like, well,
what happens then he's like, you give us the money

(32:27):
ten years we deliver a car. But he's like, yeah,
but when do I get it? And the guy's like,
what do you mean when do you get He's like, well,
is it going to be in March or April? He's
like ten years from today? He's like yeah, but Wednesday
or Thursday. He's like, dude, what difference does he make?
He says, the plumber's coming Thursday. So Reagan was so good.
He delivered a lot better. Mean, but the point is
is that we've seen this throughout history. Do you feel

(32:50):
that America is on a headline course to fall into
this quagmire of having the government regulate everything and complete control?
Is that the goal? I mean, do we want socialist communism?
Is that the goal of the government? Or where am
I missing this here?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I'm of the opinion that traditional communism, traditional and reformed
communism and socialism has ultimately failed.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Oh even the.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Largest communist state of China has moved on from it. Right,
And so they've moved on to this third way or
this theory that comes out of Canes that's called managed capitalism,
which is basically a three tiered structure where you have
an all powerful central bank. It's how familiar. Then underneath
that you have a quasi socialist government that's very controlling,

(33:44):
a powerful view Polet Bureau, and under them you have
they basically dominate the companies. And the companies are allowed
to exist and make money and sell goods and whatever.
But they're going to have an agent of the Polet
Bureau next sitting in the office right next to the city.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
This is a blueprint of socialist Russia. I mean everything
you just said from the polyper all the way down.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
What they've changed is they allow the companies now to
own the means of production, to own the farms, to
own these things, because they realize they're the best at producing.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Correct and so what have incentivized them for an overabundance
of crop or yield, which is something antithetical to comedyism.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So the real threat in America is not really under
threat of moving into a Russian style nineteen hundreds communism.
So not that's really not what we're at risk of
there would be a giant secession of forty nine or
forty eight states if that were to happen.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
What you see with.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
US is US moving into the Chinese model. Us being
nudged and nudged and nudged until we're eventually California, and
then nudged and nudged until we're the UK, and then
nudge a little further until we're China. That's what I
think the risk is to America is moving further for
than toil. We're we are completely embodying the vision of

(35:02):
John Maynard Kanes have a true third way managed capitalized economic.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
System China and the CCP is regaining control in China though,
and that's the one thing that the Maoists will always
come back to the basic roots of Maoism, which is
power over the people. China's struggling. We know they're struggling.
People think that, very much like Russia in the eighties,
nineties and two thousands, that there's some sort of powerhouse

(35:29):
in the military when they're not. They were a razor
blade fleet. They were bubblegum and spray paint, and they
essentially got into a bidding war with the United States,
which they should have learned from World War Two. You
don't want to mess with the United States when it
comes to money. China is now struggling with power. They're
struggling to feed anyone outside the nine provinces and the
nine major cities in China, and they are hamstrung just

(35:50):
like the Japanese were with energy. Do you think that
this is a result predominantly not just from like just
globalist vision, new World order type stuff, or maoist China
or whatever it would be. Do you think this really
comes down to the money that we are bleeding when

(36:10):
it comes to our debt that hamstrings us from breaking
away from these mentalities that are being forced upon us.
Is it the thirty seven trillion dollars that's causing this
or is it the greed of everyday politicians and elitists
or both.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I would go back to the theft. I think the
debt is another node of theft. Right, The wars is
another node of theft. The corrupt appropriations that are hidden
within the Omnibus bills, these trillion dollar bills, is another
node of theft. The money laundering, which is vast its mass,

(36:46):
It's pervasive, absolutely usaid was only one one rock that
they lifted up and looked under and publicized. But it's
happening at the Pentagon, it's happening everywhere.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Sure, nine trillion dollars lost in the last twenty years,
nine trillion. You know how big A trillion dollars is
a lot of money? Do you understand the size of that?
I mean, a billion dollars is a rail car. It's insane.
It's a rail car. They're talking like a ship. On
the entire deck of a ship is a trillion dollars.
The size I don't know if you've seen these little
videos that they show you. Overall, it's incredible. It's how

(37:19):
do you lose nine trillion dollars? It's insane? Keep going.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
And you know Marx he loved the graduated income tax
because you're looking at individual and individuals paying the taxes right, right,
And he's not trying to bleed the rich. He's trying
to bleed the upper middle class or the upper class,
not the ultra class, right, not the multi billionaire.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
You never messed with three percent. Those are the people
backing them.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
So, so what happened is when we got the new
economic order, the rules based international order and the economic
order that they created at post World War two. What
they did was they shifted and it started in nineteen
thirteen when they created the Central Bank. They shifted to
where see the ultra rich are. They own multinational corporations

(38:04):
and funds, sure and banks and things like that. So they,
through tariffs and different things, and through their merchant businesses
are paying for the taxes for the government budget. Right,
but the workers didn't pay anything. The workers who make
the least amount of money were keeping their money buying houses,
you know, putting their kids into college, but also bettering themselves,

(38:27):
growing their skill base, earning more. Right, that's what should
be happening. So they couldn't have that. So they switched it.
And they bring in GAT and in the Bank of
International Settlements and they go, we want free trade.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Free trade is about.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Them no longer having to pay all the bills. We
want to keep our billions and trillions and let the
and let's push the bills down to the workers. They
hate the workers, you and me.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
They hate us. Why do they hate us, Well.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's it's superiority complex, sure, right, So they have a
belief system in ideology That's what the book is is
about their ideology, right, and their core ideology all the
coalition that left. Everyone goes back point of origins Darwin,
and Darwin teaches survival of the fittest. Well, if you
have the fittest, then you have the fit and the unfit.
And then you go into his cousin in France, Galton,

(39:19):
who then taught the superior and inferior.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Right, the hunter and the prey, yep, right, And so if.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
You're at the top of society, the reason is back
in the day to say, oh, I'm divinely selected, right,
this is the blessing of God. Right, I'm coronated by God.
That's the divine right to rule. That's what the kings
believe the pope would coordinate. But when that was all
done away with in the secularization of culture, they need
a replacement for that. So that's where the genetic theories

(39:46):
of Darwin and Galton come in, and they go, oh,
the reason that we're at the top, and we deserve
to be at the top is because we're the genetically superior, right,
and then what is everybody else? They're the unwashed masses?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Sure? Sure, hundred years of modern day history is essentially
for nought. We're all peons and slaves and peasants. We're
still essentially that's what you're saying. Just because we don't
have a monarch or have a king or some theological
demigod who says he's related to Charlemagne, we're essentially still
where we are now, the haves and have nots, the
hunter and the prey.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Well, that's what they want to take us back to.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
But do we not feel that that's what we're seeing,
or even a modicum of that, because it's hard to
say that with thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, you're
talking about the theft, you're talking how it's almost impossible
nowadays to actually make something of yourself similar to when
we were younger, or our parents or our grandparents. Isn't
that success for the elitists. Isn't that at least on

(40:40):
the precipice of exactly what they want?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
They want it all. Yeah, it's the game of monopoly.
They weren't from themselves, and so by bringing in gap,
bringing in free trade, getting read of tariffs, and bringing
in all that income tax that took several decades to
get where they wanted. They can bleed the workers, bleed
the small and mid sized business owners, and then they
pay nothing.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
You're for the tariffs. Oh I love that you are
the only fiscal conservative besides myself that does not have
a problem with tariffs. Oh I love. Do you understand this?
This tariffs are like the like the boogeyman, the naughty word.
They have no understand before the Federal Reserve that how
much money we pulled in from tariffs. Donald Trump is
demonstrated with one hundred billion dollars and they're like, well,
that's taxes on you. No, that's it. It's really hard

(41:23):
for people to understand the benefits of tariffs. Maybe not
for the short term, but for the long term. Can
you walk just a little bit, scratch that surface.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
So imagine a pipe of water. Okay, there's these two
pipes coming together like a te I have a pool.
I have a small pool. Yeah, okay, So imagine two
PVC pipes and there's a switch.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
The water can come from this direction or this direction
that feeds into the pool. The pool must be filled
or the pool is done. That's money, that's that's the economy.
So with what they call free trade, which is this marketing.
It's his mind control.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Actually, workers paying all.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
The bills into the economy, paying for the government. So
the one pipe is called the workers. The other pipe
is called the international ultra rich and the merchant class. Okay,
when you reduce taxes and institute tariffs, now the money
you're switching the pipe. Okay, So the pipe that's paying

(42:23):
for everything is now coming from them. They have they
have to pay the bills, right, it's and we're paying
fewer of the bills. Eventually, you want to get to
a point where you're not penalizing your working base at all.
Workers should not have to pay tax, income tax. I
think it's a crime. It's more theft. These guys are
so wealthy, they should be paying for these systems because

(42:48):
they're using the systems, right, okay, And they get great
benefit from their their persuasion over government. Instead, they use
it to get more advantage and to pay less and
to move their money into tax shelters, international tax shelters
and whatnot, like Apple.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
You know, listen, there's a whole other conversation. Listen and
walk me through to stop me when I'm wrong. In
the United States, with textiles, plastics, mercantile and industry were
able to shift the production and means from automotive industry

(43:26):
to war fighting, started creating plexiglass for fighters, tanks, ammunition,
everything else, and retroactively became the richest country in the
world within a short period of time because without the
United States, most of US would be speaking German or
a version of Japanese. This propelled the United States into

(43:48):
a superpower overnight, but with the military that was very small.
The United States military wasn't even one of the largest
in the earth. In fact, it was not even the
top fifteen. But after World War Two, that all changed
because the military industrial complex was born, and we understand
that and became really the world's police. But what we
saw with Bill Clinton and others is we saw a
shift from industry and moving away from the Indus Industrial

(44:13):
Revolution and what built the United States by shipping manufacturers
and labor overseas. I'll get to a point. This, what
people thought was cheaper wound up driving up prices, It
drove up cost of living, It increased unemployment, it increased

(44:33):
personal debt. We saw this because ultimately affected with people
with the amount of jobs that we had available in
the United States and what we call good paying jobs today.
So Donald Trump says, here's what we're going to do.
We've got people investing money overseas and offshore accounts, like
Apple that goes to Ireland because of a low yield

(44:55):
on the interest rates and pays two point six percent
compared the United States, which gouges companies at thirty percent.
And they take this money out of the United States,
which ultimately redistributes the wealth somewhere else other than the
United States of America. And these industries are following so
they can make a product cheaper for seven cents on
the dollar versus thirty seven cents on the dollar. Yeah,

(45:18):
and says I'm going to bring business back. Obama says, no,
can't do it. You can't. There's no way Donald Trump's
going to bring these businesses back. There. What's the first
thing he does businesses start coming back. Yep, putting the
tariffs And I'm almost done. But putting the tariffs on
other countries may in the short term increased overall costs.

(45:38):
But what does it do is it's a reverse. It's
incentivizes these industries to come back to the United States
because it would be cheaper to build the United States.
Oh yeah, which would ultimately create a competitive market, multiple
brands for something that only is from a couple of
corporations right now, which would ultimately make those American goods
and costs cheaper than the global market. And they either

(46:01):
have to lower their prices, innovate on their own without
stealing ourp or United States becomes the dominant in that producer.
How does that not make sense for everybody when they're
talking about tariffs that it may be in the short
term increase prices, but the long term is beneficial to America.
Why can't people understand that? And did I describe it

(46:21):
correctly or not? Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
And there's more benefits than that, okay, because the more
of the manufacturing returns to the United States, as long
as we're getting read of the illegal immigrant issue right,
then there's more job creation, more money, and more money.
And if there's more jobs, then the labor can fill.
The companies have got to offer higher wages in order
to attract the workers to come to work.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
That's it, right, That's right. And if the end.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
There's still not enough to fill, then they're gonna have
to innovate, That's right, and invest in automation to fill
in the gap, and so then we have more innovation,
We have more companies that can provide automation, provide software,
and so it just raises them.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
And those other companies investing in the United States because
we have innovated to a point to surpass what they
were offering, which was only cheap labor. It's not a
superior product, it's a superior price.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
So the basics of economics is that it is an
ebb and flow and it's ever changing. But we seem
to have gotten in this rut that there's only one
way to do things, and that's to tax people. But
there's never been a nation in the history of nations
who's tax people in a prosperity.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Well, the reason that people are confused is because the
ruling class, which are primarily at the at the top
central banking cartel, they're also highly positioned in investment banking
and also lending banking right normally regular everyday banking because

(47:48):
they're running the show, and then they have their agents
and their mouthpieces going out spreading economic fallacies to the
public as experts. That's why we're seeing the end of
the age of the credentialed, highly educated, degreed expert, because
they're caught in too many lies. And when they come
out and say that there's this inflation's transient. There is

(48:09):
no inflation. There's no inflation. It's transient, transitory. And then
we're all hit with, you know, eleven dollars eggs. Right,
we go, Oh they lied to me. Oh they're lying
for their masters, they're lying for their boss, because they're
stealing from us. That's really what's happening. It's very simple. Economics,
I think is extremely simple. The tariff thing means lower
taxes for the workers, higher fees and taxes for the

(48:31):
largest businesses that are multinational businesses. The countries don't pay
the tariffs. The largest multinational businesses in those countries are
paying the tariffs. That's the richest people in their society
are paying the tariffs. Okay, so now we're making the
richest pay the bills while we don't penalize our workers.
And what happens with the workers they make more money,
they can earn more, is better job opportunities, and they're

(48:54):
going to keep more. And what happens when you make
more and you keep more, you move up the socioeconomic
a gladder. We have prosperity, your kids do better, your
family does.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Better, middle class grows, the middle.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Class expands and grows, and then society is strengthened. But
what does that produce. It produces a more conservative culture society,
and it produces more freedom.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
If I asked, if we how much time do we get? Okay?
So this is why I love talking to you, man.
It's like it's I always see podcasters try to compete
with their guests. I can't stand that shit. Just just
just talk and let that person cook. And my job
is to throw you an occasional curveball or throw you

(49:39):
a fastball over the plate so you can drive three home.
That's that's the goal. It's not to strike you out.
So it bothers me. If you want to have a
point of content contestation with somebody, usually you should probably
let them ale is my thought. So if I tell
you meat prices are increasing, We've seen eggs come down,
we've seen gas come down, we see unemployment, we've seen

(50:00):
nine billion dollars was taken out of the budget first
time in thirty five years. And they go, well that's
not enough. Well we know that, but at least, it's
nine billion dollars less than what we spent five minutes ago.
But if we see meat prices going up, the first
thing you hear this is Trump's tariffs that do this.
But could it possibly be that the ranchers and the

(50:21):
cattlers across the United States, because money was tight, because
we saw hyper inflation, because we saw less money in
America's pocket, they started making choices to buy chicken and
buy pork and not buy steak and red meat as
much because it was more expensive then the cattlers and
the ranchers they have less production, and with less production,

(50:41):
also killing millions of cows because of a mad cow
disease epidemic that didn't take place, has lowered the threshold
of goods on the market. And as we know, it's
all based on supply and demand. Now money is better,
jobs are better, economies better. People are coming out of
this and wanting to spend, but the supply and demand
is bad. Can you please explain to people that this

(51:01):
has nothing to do with tariffs but has more to
do with supply side economics.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, it can't have anything to do with tariffs unless
you're importing the cows and the beef because tariffs only
apply to imports.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
But it's the grain they're tacked.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
No, it's simple supply and demand. So there have been
mass cullings. I haven't looked into this specific commodity, but
you know you have with the chickens and other livestock,
where the leftists were attacking all the supply chains. Yes,
and attacking everything they could, from baby formula to diapers,
to oil and energy and natural gas and chicken and beef,

(51:39):
and they just they're trying to attack those supply chains
and attack the supply Why because it's going to begin
the domino effect of inflation coupled with the money supply
in circulation.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Nine trillion dollars spent doesn't hurt. That helps a little bit.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So. But the thing that really activated it, like it's
out there, it's ready to sort of burst. But the
thing that activated it is as soon as Biden got
in the first executive orders that he signed on day one,
we're all attacking the supply chains. Remember when we were
having to have like baby formula error, yeah, lifted from German.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Yeah. Remove the deregulation that Trump put him boss.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Oh, absolutely, canceling oil pipelines right, moratoriums on production leases. Yeah,
and then they're going out and testing all these healthy
birds and chickens and saying, oh, they tested on the
PCR test, So you got to kill a million chickens.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Do you know he killed a hundred million chickens right
before he left office. Not Biden didn't go out there
and slaughter but one hundred million. I had no idea,
amaze until we did a show on it right before.
And of course you know, everyone goes, well, that's not
Biden going out there and slaughtering chickens with his auto pen. Yeah,
you understand. You blame Donald Trump for something that Epstein
did twenty years ago. I think you can go ahead

(52:49):
and hold Biden accountable for at least one thing. I
got to get this in. Let people know where to
finds your book. It's important. We will tonight. We're going
to talk about the digital version and everything. But let
them know your web site. Take a minute or two,
and then we'll get to the rest.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, my website's Tsdixon dot com. If they want to,
you know, find out more about me and what I'm
up to. And then the book is available on Amazon,
and then the audiobook just launched a couple of weeks ago,
and so it's on audible okay and Apple Books.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Who's the stud that, uh that that recited that amazing?
Would that be you?

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Well, everybody was telling me that that's that's better if
your narrator yourself. So I I bit the bullet and
I narrated it myself. I'm not much of a voice, yeah,
actor or.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
A news It sounds good. Now if you hate his voice,
by the book anyway, and just play it a little
slower or faster, speed it up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
It sounds it. Listen, this is like I said, this
is why why you're here. And I'm so honored to
have you in the studio. And it was just a
no brainer to have you here. And plus Tonto wasn't available.
Uh but walk walk me through you. Where are you from?
Where were you born?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
What was it like? Growing up in the Dixon house hold?
Was predominantly religious, military, blue collar, white color? What was it?
And walked me through you?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, born in California, raised in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
What part of California Sacramento? I had no idea. I
was Ventura. Okay. Two California boys who really woke up.
See we can write this now because because we went
into the lions Den and came out unscathed.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Oh seriously, Oh yeah, that place is a shittle it's
it's just gone into the it's.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Bad as you can say shithole on this on this podcast.
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Well, you know, I grew up in western Pennsylvania from
first grade through college and then went back to California
for twelve years and then relocated to the Free State
of Florida right with my wife in twenty twenty. And
you know we're currently there in Southwest Florida loving it. Household. Yeah,

(54:56):
military military family, Okay. Father was a higher up at
the Army Corps of Engineers.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
No way, I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, and so he was very successful. There was a
great leader for them. Throughout his entire career. He only
had one employer and he he did a tour overseeing
the reconstruction of Iraq and Afghanistan for fifteen months and
roll Away real proud of him for that.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
And he did that while he was in the core. Yes,
in leadership, well, not a civilian. Well, he's always he
always was a civilian engineer in leadership at the core
I understand. Okay, great, so he did that, but didn't
get the million and a half dollars paycheck for a
month's worth of work or did he not? Not that okay,
because you can share. They were making good money over there.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Yeah, I mean he got hazard pay and whatnot. But
I don't think the government employees were making that.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I think the contractors were made Oh yeah, contractors are
making making a lot. Yeah yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
So and then both grandfathers World War two, uncles Korea, Vietnam,
so a lot of military raised, the love of the country,
love of our founding, our roots, but not a very
political environment, you know, politics.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
There was at the table. Was there was no debate
politics at the dinner table or was it more stay
in your lane or just wasn't a big com you
know topic.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
You know, they'd laugh about Clinton or something and whatnot.
But what he was up to, his antics. It's more
about the you know, the popular culture topics, not so
much anything with policy.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
And so there was no indoctrination in the household or
a passing of beliefs or anything like that. Religion oh yeah,
well Christianity. Yeah, I was raised, raised in the Presbyterian
and Methodist church wasn't into that, and I found it
on my own as a as a teenager.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Oh really as a teenager? Heah, as a teenage Okay,
what age were you when you started?

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I was fourteen when I had my first experience, got saved,
and then you know, as teenagers do, backslit. And then
it was about seventeen eighteen when I when I fully
came back to it.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
And what was the catalyst for you? Was it just
just time or was there an event that really brought
you back and it brought me back?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Well, you know, for me, my Christian experience was a
very visceral spiritual experience, and so I had a very
visceral sense of you know, God's spirit, God's presence and
the connection that that that brought from when I was fourteen,

(57:35):
when I when I had that salvation experience, and then
when I backslid, I felt the disc you know, once
you have that and then you're disconnected from it, it's like.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, the absence of God is like the worst thing
in the world. When you can't feel that anymore, that connection, it.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Was, it was bad. And so that lasted for about
three and a half years. And then I but I'm
still attending church, still going to youth group at that time.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
And then I was on.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
A retreat and I've been praying and begging God, you know,
and I could have that back again. You know. There's
a there's a psalm by David that I really relate to.
You know, David was had everything. He was the most
successful wealthy man in the in the Near East, in
the Middle East during his lifetime. He was the most
successful man in the you know, in his era. And

(58:18):
he had all the gold and the wives, and the
palaces and the power. But then he sins against God
with and and commits adultery with Athsheba and has her
husband you know, uh oft and whatnot whacked. And he's
terrified that this is gonna this is gonna separate him
from God. God will cut him off. And he says, he,

(58:41):
you know, of all of his treasure, of everything he possesses,
his two most valuable possessions he's he lists in this song.
He said, what do whatever you want to me? He said,
but just cast me not from your spirital Lord andcept
you know, and don't separate me from your presence. Cast
me not for your presence and not remove your spirit
from me. Okay, so that I relate to that. That

(59:04):
to me, that's not a theological statement. That's a that's
a that's a visceral experience. So and so when it so,
I was at a retreat and I was speaking with
someone there and then it it, it all happened. I
had the lightning bolt, you know, the whole deal, and
it and it was restored and it came back and uh,

(59:26):
and I was reconnected and I've stayed reconnected.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
You know ever since has been tested since or has
it been just sure unwavering? Yeah, it's it's not true
faith if it's unwavering. In my opinion, it's it's hard
to be that certain about anything with the constant distractions
of this mortal coil.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I wouldn't say my faith is my my my certainty
is there, But I would say, you know, you live life, sure, right,
you live life, and you go through different phases and
and periods of your life, and and you know, if
you're going to be real about it and authentic, I mean,
life is life. And there's sure that happened, and there's chapters,

(01:00:06):
and there's things you're proud of, things you're not proud
of whatever. But but that's life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's being a live the banded live,
uh throwing copper. Fantastic album, Oh yeah. Following up is
Prey and there's a song called Heaven. Yeah. And in
the words and he is he is a spiritual guru?
Is he? Oh? Fantastic? Yeah, it's just amazing. I mean,
all of us songs people listen to light excuse me,

(01:00:31):
lightning crashes and everything else. There's religious undertones and overtones
all over the place. Yeah, you know, ship Town is
not a soft of that, but but there's plenty of
but in it, he makes a comment and it says
pretty much, don't tell me about God. I see my
daughter and I believe I know that lyric. Yeah, and
and that is profound.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
And I think it took my children entering this earth
and seeing the gift and miracle of birth to truly
understand that's how it hits you God's grace. Yeah. Yeah,
And I'll be honest with you, I've the trials and
tribulations that I went through were horrendous, and the things
that I saw as a youth stole my faith because
of my my own mortality and my own incapability of

(01:01:19):
handling things and trauma that that ultimately no kid should
go through. And I was raised with it, but I
was also betrayed by it by a person who used
God as as leverage. And so you know, I've told
this story on the show. It's actually one of our
most successful shows we've ever done. I think it had
a million and a half years and it kind of
put us on a map. And I always like to

(01:01:41):
revisit the show because it was extremely palpable and difficult
to talk about. But I think about the things that
are thrown in front of us, and it always was
my inability to understand God and who could because he's
omnipotentent of if human feelings could interpret God, we wouldn't

(01:02:02):
necessarily need the Bible, and we wouldn't need the disciples
and the prophet. But I think the number one thing
I always told myself was why would God do this
to me? And I would always ask that question, and
it always kept me from accepting his grace because I
would always keep him at arm's length. And it's when

(01:02:24):
I finally realized that this was only and the show
has created this because there were many people who've influenced
the spiritual journey that I've been on over the last
four or five years, and they've helped me and they've said, hey,
you're doing God's work, and I'm like, okay, whatever, you know.
But it started with just a couple of words that

(01:02:44):
allowed me to go ahead and start thinking about it.
A good friend of mine, Auto, who worked with me
at comcasts, was one of my subordinates, but certainly not
from a mental standpoint or physical, just from a position
of authority, and it gave me a Bible and it
collected dust for I don't know seven years, and then
I found it one day and started flipping through. So

(01:03:05):
a very long story was is I had to come
to the realization that it's not God's fault for what
I'm experiencing, but it's actually the creation of sin that
free will doesn't necessarily control, and you can't have free

(01:03:27):
will if God is up there controlling everything. And that
was hard for me to understand. So what I changed
my mindset, and this is for the people listening who
may be still suffering and not having the realization that
you did at a young age, is once I stopped
looking at the turmoil and the trauma and started looking

(01:03:49):
at the gifts and how everything seemed to work out.
No matter how much of an enigma wrapped into a riddle,
into a puzzle, it may seem it always wound up
working out, and that can't be nuance. And the second
thing was when I looked at all of the things

(01:04:10):
in creation, whether it be DNA, or it be the
periodic table, or it be the sequencing of events, or
the temperature or the amount of moisture in the air,
or magma turning in or a gas turning into magma
turning into magna, turning into a solid, turning into a
solid turning into life, of all the variables of everything

(01:04:32):
having to be perfect to create everything we see today.
Science says the probability of that is zero possible, it's
beyond zero. It's not just an improbability, it's an impossibility.
Then you have to go ahead and ask the question,
there is only a scintilla of a chance that there

(01:04:52):
would be a god. You have to believe. You're responsible
to believe because that's what science tells us. Must follow
through with all thought and all practicality, no matter how improbable.
That's science. So that was for me a logical deduction
and emotional deduction of why I came back to God.
This sets us up for a huge question, okay, And

(01:05:16):
of course you can make any statement you want on this,
But this is what I try to do is use
my own experiential learnings and try to apply it to
the person sitting across. So, now that you've had a
chance to give me your testimonial in mind, why is
religion such a serious threat to every power structure that

(01:05:42):
tries to assert power from the people? Why is religion
such a threat to them?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Well, I have a different angle on it, Okay, I'd
love to hear I would differentiate religion from our Western
spiritual inheritance.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
So I am of the belief that what was passed
down to us that's document in the Bible is an assortment,
a sequence of spiritual experiences and empowerments that are a
source of unbelievable power, sure and truth. Sure, And that

(01:06:28):
the goal has been for a long time to censor
and restrict the knowledge of that and exposure of that,
essentially stealing our inheritance from us and in the process
replacing it with some type of religious structure, which in
my opinions. Most religious structures are meant to control in

(01:06:50):
the minds of the people in order to get them
to behave in a certain way and not react.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
And are we talking about organized religion specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
There's certain religion systems like, for instance, Marxism is a
is a political religion. Marx was was not so much
an economist as he was a socialist theologian.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, theologian for sure, and so he was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Creating a religion of political works for one to become
a good person in a tone for their sin. Sure,
that's why you have the virtue signaling stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
And we have algoric global warming and the CO two donations.
That's a form of theologian.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Yes, it is an advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
You us, but give us monny, yes, and you will
be your your sins will be forgiven.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Environmentalism is totally a religous It is absolutely a real God.
That's another criton thing. Crichton, before he died, yes, was
going off about this on all you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Should move you should move in, just tell your wife
or not coming over.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
So and if you look at if you look at
other structures, you know, the first great establishment that controlled
Western civilization was a medieval papacy. I'm not anti Catholic,
and I'm not knocking Catholicism, but the papal structure Rome
controlled the monarchies of Europe for one thousand years post Constantine, okay.

(01:08:05):
And it wasn't until Martin Luther rediscovers by having this
voice speak to him on these steps of Santa Scola
and Rome, where he's climbing up on his knees, and
this voice speaks and says the Joshua lib by faith.
Several times he got up and walked out. He had
this encounter, and this one sentence is the origin point,

(01:08:25):
the point of origin for the modern Western world. That
one sentence, the Joshah live by faith, and the true
meaning of that that he unpacked. It took him years
to undiscern and have the breakthrough of what that meant.
To interpret that the sort of a mysterious thing to say, sure,
even though it's habit cook the prophet and the Paul
is doing a breakdown of it in the New Testament,

(01:08:46):
trying to preach the Gospel of Grace which he got
in Arabia and was trying to trying to proliferate throughout
the first century Church and so that was forgotten and lost,
and he, through great pain and uh an effort, rediscovers
it and then gives it back. Oh reoffers it to

(01:09:07):
the public. What happens, It breaks free from this thousand
years of tyranny and go and create the Western hemisphere,
right the Pilgrims. So there's a lot of people don't
really understand the impact of this history where it all
comes from, right, this half of the earth, right from
one sentence?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Sure was that the voice? Was that the voice of God?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
I think it was either the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Or an angels or a revelation. Is it possible for
a human being to come to that conclusion on their own?
I doubt it. I don't. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
I think God was ready to start something, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Considering how long that took him to decipher and understand
that message, would explain that it probably didn't derive from
him alone. I mean exactly. You believe in a mood,
amuse or or or divine spirit influencing people. Sure, it's
an interesting concept.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
And every time this these these things are the truth
thing are restored, not the counterfeit, not the system of control. Sure, sure,
I believe generally a religion is a system of control
on the mind, whereas the actual real life spiritual experiences
that's described by the Bible is the opposite. It grants

(01:10:18):
you amazing, incredible liberty and then power.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
So, to make sure I'm understanding, and I could be
way off base, you're not condemning organized religion, not at all,
Not at all. What you're saying is is that, no,
I'm not gonna I'm not going to put words in
your mouth. I'm interpreting that organized religion is as corruptible
as man and therefore is not necessarily the end all

(01:10:44):
be all for the Word of God. Is that fair
to say? Or is there something I'm missing?

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
If you're going to boil down what I really mean
is that I'm not making a generalization organized real.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Of course you're not. I understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
What I'm saying is that there's more. There is more, sure,
and that quantity of experiences that is that is available
grants incredible liberty, creates liberty in power. And so if
you're and so they answer the question why they want

(01:11:19):
to keep that or why they want to use it,
or why they hate it so much, that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Yeah, yeah, there's an old there's an old amage of
military and also Leo's and anyone else is. Once you've
been shot at, life gets simplistic. Sure that faith is
the same way. Oh, I believe. Once you have that
experience with God, whether you know it or not, life
gets a little simpler, and without it it gets really complicated.

(01:11:45):
And there's there's nothing like being lost. Did you have
a rebellious side as a kid? You strike me as
a person? Who did? I mean, did you did you
Readcatcher in the Rye or something? Do I need?

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Of course you did. And isn't it funny that those
two times will probably correlate if you think back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, No, I was very rebellious. Yeah, I was a
bad kid.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, absolutely tell me about it. It's okay, listen, your
published your publicer. Well, what was it? What was it? Rebellion?
Because it was a father issue?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Was it rebel against the system? Did you hate school?
I mean, what was it? Did you listen to Quiet
Riot too much? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
I went through a phase and I was angry, yeah,
and I was depressed and and I didn't care and
I was self destructive. And that's that. I don't know.
Why Yeah, and so I just wanted to do everything bad.
It was bad and harmful and destructive, and wanted to
do it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Thank god you found God again, not lost him, but yeah,
but we're found again and saved. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Oh yeah, I I I hit. I you know, I
really damaged my my health. Yeah, and through drugs that
damaged my brain chemistry. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
And I think you unlocked a few things too, don't
myself short Listen, I was in bad.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Shame, so was I, and and and I had nowhere
to turn. I couldn't tell my family what, you know,
I couldn't turn, no where to turn. It was very ashamed.
And I was an atheist, you know, I was indoctrinated
with Darwinism in middle school.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yeah, and I believed it. Sure, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
I thought Christianity was a joke, that was a It
was as real as the Greek myths equivalent to that, yeah,
old stories, fables.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
But not as cool because Greek Greek mythology. I mean
it is kind of cool. I mean it's come, it's cool,
it's it's complete crap cool and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
So uh but I was had nowhere to turn. You know.
I was for when you're a kid and you think
you're going to be in trouble. It feels like the
end of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Of course it does. Yeah, it feels like you're hemmed in.
Can't breathe can't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yeah, there's anxiety, and so, uh, the only thing I
knew to do was to pray and to beg for help.
And it's sort of made me feel a little better.
But I didn't expect anything to happen. Sure, And so
I think I prayed for about two weeks, maybe three weeks,
I don't know, and I just all day I would
just you know, ask for help. And if you're real

(01:14:14):
and you show me and you help me, uh, you know,
I'll follow you. Yeah, that was the prayer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
That's surrenderous, you're real, show me, sure, give me a sign.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I didn't think it was real, had zero faith there.
And then I was outside the house one day. People
think my own family think I'm nuts, who cares? But
I was outside my house fourteen years old. And then
one day and then after about two or three weeks
that prayer, he answered it, and uh, and and just
I don't know how to describe it. It's hard to describe. Yeah,

(01:14:44):
but it came down. Yeah, and trance did the inner transformation,
the experience, the fork experiment, just the most incredible experience.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
You were touched.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
It was amazing. And I didn't know the Holy Spirit
was real. You know, it was a con It was
a theological concept, not a not a not an actual reality.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Or a construct right or or whatever whatever whatever you thought,
it was what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
But you know that was real in salvation. I didn't
know what salvation was a word. I didn't know what
it meant until it happened. And uh, I mean and
so after that there was no denying it. Now, did
I live the most perfect life? No? And yeah I
backslid pretty quickly young, but uh yeah, but that's the

(01:15:30):
that's what happened to me. It is real. It is real.
If people wonder, is Jesus real? Is the Holy Spirit? Is?
It's all real? It's all true, every all of it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
You've done a lot of podcasts. Have you ever said
that before?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
No one's asked me about.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
That is an amazing Do you believe people meet for
a reason? Sure? Absolutely, It's incredible. And I and I,
you know, this is four years and our stories are
not dissimilar. Mine. It suffered from depression as a child

(01:16:06):
went through trauma. As we talked about, YEP, and addiction.
It bothers me when people say, were you an addict?
And it bothers me for a reason, because I was
habitual in the sense that the damage that I had
the military. The answer was opioids. Yeah, that was it.

(01:16:31):
Hydrocodon and flexurial and every other type of medicine you
could possibly get your hands on, so you could walk
and function and continue to do your mission and do
your job. And then there came a point where I
just couldn't do it anymore. But it's interesting that depression
seems to be the sinew that ties all this together,

(01:16:52):
usually when it comes to addiction. And I don't believe
that people are naturally depressed. I believe that it takes
an influence to get there because the human spirit. Now
there's just people who are absolutely dead in the eyes
and crazy or cha Ramia. Is that guy that was
up in Oregon who is just I'm not talking about that,

(01:17:13):
but the average human being. I think the human spirit
wants to be happy, wants to love their family, wants
to protect the things that they care about. But depression
is a demon, and I think it's brought on by
unclean things, and whether it be pornography or gambling or
adultery or drugs and alcohol. And here I am with

(01:17:34):
whiskey behind you, and I'll partake in a sniff or
a two and probably will ask if you want one
at dinner. But it's very different. But especially at that
young age, you can be influenced and it can bring
out your inner turmoil and demons. Yeah, do you think
you would have had Do you think you flirted with

(01:17:55):
drugs because of depression or do you think that drugs
ultimately influence the depression or is it Is it both
one and the same.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Well, I think it's both. I think they feed on
each other. It's like a downward spiral, right, like, oh,
you're depressed, so you do drugs, and then the chemicals
and the drugs make you more depressed, and they do
more drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
You know, trying to search for it, right, So it's
like this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
You know, it's this feedback loop. I do want to say, though,
that one part of it that I didn't mention, is
that really awful damage I did to my mind, to
my brain, you know, really bad, really bad. It was
instantly healed.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Do you have an overdose. Did you Was it just
overall time and deterioration for the amount of drugs you
were doing? Did What was so?

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I did it was laced or something, and it I
got it was definitely a toxic level of something. I
don't know with BCP or what was it laced in it.
But when I researched it, because I was really having
problems that it was going on for weeks and I
felt like I was going out of my mind. I
didn't feel like myself outside of myself and just was

(01:19:09):
in pain. And when I researched it, I discovered that
you can do chemical damage to your brain.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Chemistry, yeah, dopamine and serotonin and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yeah, and not just the regular stuff. I mean, you
can do permanent chemical damage to your mind right neuropathways,
and you can you can bring on even it's called
drug induce psychosis, permanently go into a state of severe
mental illness. Yes, there's drug induce schizophrenia.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Am Jesic rebounds yet, I mean yes, if you so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
I don't know what exactly it was so long ago.
I mean I was hallucinating a lot, I was, but
just the I felt like it was in hell like
I was being tortured all Day's the best way I
could describe it. And I know I could didn't know
anyone I could can tell about this or it was
nowhere I could go to turn for help. And so

(01:19:57):
that's why I just, out of a lack of option,
I tried that as more like a comfort blanket, right,
like a self soothing thing. Right, There's nothing else I
could do as powerless, but I was in an emergency
situation and that moment that that happened to me, it
was instantly healed, and it felt like it felt like

(01:20:18):
a sensation inside my brain in my skull right, something
was shifting around. Yes, and then I was, all of
a sudden felt perfectly normal and better than I had
ever felt, and it permanently for the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
You're not alone, And alcoholics called a moment of clarity,
But that's not what we're talking about. But I know
what you're talking about. You know, seventeen years of just
eating pills that if I took even a tenth of
what I took, I mean dead right now, right right,
And I was habitual but then turned into an addict

(01:20:51):
and absolutely recovering addict. Yeah, body fat was up to
fifty one percent. I got to two hundred and sixty
five pounds, three level fusion, fifteen back surgeries, I mean
all of it. So I just one day I woke
up and I got a phone call and I flushed it.
Good for you, Oh yeah, well, but I searched for help.

(01:21:13):
There was no help. Parents wouldn't be understanding. My mother
was an attict, my sister was an addict. I tried
to go to rehab. They wanted forty thousand dollars. You know,
just is in California. It's just ridiculous. There's no There
was no help. I had the best insurance in the world.
I was working for Apple, and I sat at the
ende of a bed with nine millimeter and I was

(01:21:34):
I was as close and something clicked. And two months
of going through with drawls, putting teapots of boiling hot
water and bathtubs because my legs when it stopped shaking, wow,
chipping teeth, you know, losing because you're just you're convulsive,
see bad. And just though withdrawls were incredible, the one
thing I learned is I just said no more, and

(01:21:56):
something clicked. I felt and I didn't find God until
oh god, you know, almost twelve years later. Sure, but
something at that moment could felt divine. It's a It's
an interesting conversation and I truly appreciate you sharing it
with me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I want to say one more thing, Yeah, for the
listeners about depression. Yeah, you know, I don't think depression
is sadness. I think depression is a deactivation of the psyche,
the subconscious, the emotional system. My opinion is that if
you if if your emotional structure right from you know,

(01:22:37):
when you can have damage, you can have trauma, or
a child, you can have whatever. Sure, and and so
these on a subconscious level can create a flow of pain.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
And in my opinion, if the subconscious, the unconscious, and
then the conscious pain of life events, right or substance
abuse or whatever, sure hits a threshold on this on
the psyche, on the subconscious, on the emotional engine, there's
like a red line. And if the pain gets to
up to that red line from PTSD, from whatever, whatever happened, abuse, whatever,

(01:23:15):
then it goes into a like a shutdown cycle where
it shuts itself down into idle so that you can
sort of recover. Sure, And I think that's that's my
opinion on what depression is. So whatever it is, anything,
there's many things that can cause your system to create
a flow of pain, and then you you can stack pain, right,

(01:23:36):
and it accumulates sort of stacks up and overwhelms you
and then sends in my opinion, that's what then sends
us into these depression cycles.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
So it's a form of homeostasis. It's a divergence of
stimula that your body can't cope with. It's a form
of a coping mechanism or or shock.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yes, it's a I in my opinion, and I'm not
a no I us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
It sounds better than anything I've heard.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
You know, because depressed is like a means where like
there's a power but lad button and you click it
and depress it. Yeah, turn it off right right, So
it's like your system is shutting itself down. And so
it's more like no, less like being sad and more
like being tired or can't move, can't get the energy
to get up and do anything because your emotional engine,
your emotional system is on this sort of power down.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Yeah, it's pause. Yeah, Well it's amazing introducing psychotropic drugs
into young kids. I wonder if that possibly could be
a part of the downward spiral in this generation.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
It's a crime.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
It is a crime. My mother and father put me
on riddle in at thirteen, and that I was on
lithium at fourteen, adult adult versus chronic nose bleeds. Wake
up with my pillow covered in blood. Oh my god,
Oh the riddlin and was just destructive. So it's just amazing.
You talk about the damage, but I think most people
would find that we're probably two highly intellectual human beings

(01:24:53):
that but there was a lot of damage too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
You know, what you really needed was a good old
trans surgery that would have fixed you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Yeah, if they would have, if they would have removed
my penis, I think it would have solved a lot.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
The problem is this toxic masculinity.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
It's if I was if I was more of a woman,
I think I probably would have been less emotional.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
You know, that would have made you finally feel complete
and happy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I think so. And then what's really great about it
is is that I would never be able to alter
that course of action because the choice was never mind
to begin with, which is wonderful. Removing free will, Yes,
and reproduction, it's all tied together. Yeah. Do you consider
yourself a culture warrior? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
I'd like to be sure. I'd like to fight for
the culture and for our Western values and for our systems.
And that's why I'm doing this. I'm going a crusade
to preserve and protect Western civilization and prosperity and freedom
and our Christian roots. That's that's all that we've got.

(01:25:56):
If we lose that, Yeah, and maybe who knows what
level of influence I'll effect. I don't care if it's
small or bigger, medium. I've just got to do the
best I can do for my own conscience that you know,
these forefathers did what they need to do in their generation.
And if you don't have at least a certain number
do it in every generation, you lose it. The bad

(01:26:17):
guys win.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Yeah, So let's rip the band aid off. Let's just
get right into it. Is this why Israel is a target?
It's because they are the only bastion of Western civilization
in a place that is full of heathenistic principles and beliefs.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Well, I think that's a complex answer. I think that
Israel is a target for a couple of reasons. The
main being tribal warfare. Sure, if tribal warfare in these
very ancient bloodlines and family groups in the Middle East
that go back thousands of years.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Sure that describes the dichotomy of the Middle East. Right,
I'll talk about the world you have.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
In my opinion, Israel has their own, the state of Israel. Obviously,
just like the United States, there's different political parties with
different ideologies. Yes, that get into power. Absolutely, and depending
on who's in power, that's the agenda that is that
is set out, but for survival or for dominance or

(01:27:23):
to win whatever it is. Uh. You know, there's a
strategy appears to be a strategy of dominance in the
Middle East, and the and the feeling, the behavior tends
to be that you have to keep certain quote unquote
aggressive Muslim state factions destabilized and and and so they

(01:27:47):
can sort of never really get ahead, never really get
to a point where they're they've got to put together
enough maybe to be a threat or maybe to compete
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
No, and then there's other there's other Muslim nations where
there there are these loose alliances or there's these tenuous
alliances which are in place. I don't know. I don't
necessarily know if it's directly down like Shia and Sunni
dividing lines, or if it's more the ones that wanted

(01:28:18):
to become like secular republics, which seems to be the
ones that were targeted, versus the monarchies that are more
in line with the Western banking power. But I think
the other thing is the Western banking power. And so
I think that the Western banking power sees the nation
of Israel as a forward operating base in a in

(01:28:41):
a resource rich gold mine of the Middle East and
then Africa, okay, and so and so if if you're
going to control the resources and in and profit from

(01:29:01):
them and control them, then essentially you know, your interests
have to align, right, and so I think that's sort
of the bigger picture. Now you have a group that's
in there now that that are heavily for the Ethno state.
I know, it's it's the there's a coalition, they have

(01:29:21):
a parliamentary system and it gives the Lekud next, and
then you have these these they call them far right,
but I think they're more like far more intensive uh
Jews supremacists, Jewish supremacistnot.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
The Hasidic Jews and mode is what you hear from
the ultra right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
But I think that that there's a couple of big
mistakes that are happening where everybody's clumping together a group
as they're all one homogeneous thing. They're all very different.
There's different facts of different groups, and I think it's
regrettable that what's being done in Gaza and then the

(01:30:02):
instigations in these other regions is really starting to affect
the public sentiment in the West, Europe, in America.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
It's interesting when you think of what happened in Iraq. Yeah,
and you take a look at Clinton, and you take
a look at Obama, and you take a look at
Bush and over a million Muslims eradicated. Yeah, the United
States was involved with that. Yeah, And you really didn't
hear any public outcry until OIFOEF after nine to eleven,

(01:30:42):
which is interesting. Do you believe that anti Semitism is
a threat to Western civilization? And I'll qualify that question.
I'm pretty confident you believe that Israel has an absolute
right to be its own sovereignty and be a sovereign country,

(01:31:02):
and sovereigntis they have a right to live and exist
of course, But do you think anti Semitism is an
existential threat to Western civilization in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
And I'm not going to say anti semitism. Sure, that's
the court changing the meaning of anti semitism. Sure they are,
which is a tactic of the left to change the
meanings of words, sure to deceive the public.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
So how about we do this. How about we define
anti semitism the best way that we can from the
actual literal meaning, and then we can kind of define
whether it would be a threat to Western civilization. So
your definition of anti Semitism is what, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
I will just tell you that my understanding is that
somebody that was you know, had a racial animosity towards
Jewish people, right that you know, they just hate Jews.
That was my understanding my entire life. Now they're changing
the meaning that if you don't support Israel, or if
you boycott Israel because of what they're doing in Gaza,

(01:32:03):
if you disagree with their international policy, if you criticize
you know, I don't know if this is part of
the writing, but if you criticize certain eye profile Jewish celebrities, bankers,
or business people or politicians, then that's anti Semitic, and
I think that's too far.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
I agree. I think you said it best is that
you have an ethnocentric and a theological centric people, as
Muslims and Jews are, and they're closely knit and tied.
I mean, separating their race and authenticity from their religion
is impossible. Yeah, And I think subjugating or persecuting anyone

(01:32:48):
based upon authenticity or religion would be the definition of
anti semitism. Put a period at the end of that.
And I love the fact that you have expanded it
to anything that is critical of the state of Israel
or prominent figures. Is anti Semitism is a canard, and

(01:33:11):
I think it is completely a fallacy that you should
not be able to But if you start off the
conversation with that Jew or using some of the monikers
that we know are used, I think that pretty much
states your position isn't about questioning actions, but questioning someone's
ethnicity or religion is a bad thing. Sure, But if

(01:33:34):
you want to say that Israel has killed forty thousand children,
and I understand that October seventh was a horrific event,
and I agree. However, you can denounce a mass and
denounce October seventh, but also be critical of the way
that the Israeli government are prosecuting this war, that that
is not anti Semitic in any way, shape or forma.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Well, the mass is not all the Palestinians, and the
Palestinians are not all Hamas. And I want to say,
uh Net Yahoo and the Lakudniks in his coalition is
radical coalition are not all Jews, and not all Jews
are Yahoo and his coalition.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
That's absolutely correct. Summer Muslim is there's orthodox You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
I mean, it's completely insane to absolutely combine these two
and say, oh, you're either this or that and this
is everything.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
It's not everything that's right, that's right. So so the
reason I asked that question is it seems that this
has become American politics very similar.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
You either come to the surface. It's a hot topic
right now for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Yeah, but I'm talking about Democrats and Republicans. I'm talking
about you're on one side or the other, You're rooting
for a sports team. This is no longer about political ideology.
This is about wearing a color. This this is crips
and bloods personified without the street gains and crack cocaine. Yeah,
we have come to this point where uh, here's here's
my here's here's the preface of the of the conversation

(01:35:00):
is if you take a look at Republican conservatism and
democrat liberalism, which is both are founded from the same
place of classic liberalism, they're both essentially different heads of
the same snake. Yep. If you look at the differences
between those two parties twenty five years ago, there was

(01:35:20):
about seven major differences. Bigger government, taxes, you protect you know,
military build up, small government versus big government. Yeahha. But
now if you look at the expansion of what politics cover,
and if you look at conservatism and you look at liberalism,
you're talking forty to fifty different things that are all

(01:35:43):
diametrically opposed. And it has now become that you agree
with all, or you're the enemy, or you agree with nothing.
Do you find that it's not necessarily that it's the
Jews versus the rest of the world. But this is
the state of the world today, is that we have
literally went into a left and right mentality, and everything

(01:36:05):
that we do, from our music to our food, to
our what we consume, to the conversations that we have.
Is this the systemic problem or is it something deeper?

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
How so the Israel topic in general.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Yeah, just is like, for instance, picking jimas everyone's Hamas
if you don't agree with Israel and everyone is for
Israel if you don't agree with himas that's that's everything's
been put down to a simplicity.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
It's a black and white right, right, So that's that's
that's part of the core premise of my book. Yeah, right,
is I I reject false arguments and so, and I
reject false premises because it's a mental trap.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Sure it is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
So I reject I reject the redefinition of anti Semitism,
and I reject the the sort of unilateral aggregation of
all these different groups into.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
One one thing, yeah, one category.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Yeah, And and they're different. And so you can disagree
with a political party that is in power over the
nation of Israel without without being anti Israel or anti
right Jewish people. You just did. I think a lot
of the Jewish people, I know they a lot of

(01:37:22):
them disagree with what's happening in Gaza and disagree with Netanyaho.
Never liked net Yaho, just like you know, some people
like Trump, but don't like Trump or Bush, and they
didn't like Bush, they liked or didn't like Obama. It's
just a democratic leader. So but but this is this
affecting culture, is this becoming this is this is swallowing

(01:37:45):
some people's minds because because I think there's at the
fabric when you go back to the base layer of
Western civilization. Okay, Western civilization is a mixture of Christianity
in Greek philosophy, Okay, that then evolves in through these

(01:38:07):
various Enlightenment movements and whatnot, to then become this modern form,
this modern iteration we have today. But when you go
back before the Christian era, then it goes and has
its roots in Old Testament, Judaism and and so and
back to Jerusalem, back to the Holy Land, and so

(01:38:27):
you can't everything sort of springs out of that for
the Arabs, for the Jews, for the Christians, which then
is Europe and the Western So you can't get away
from it, you can't, you know, it's it's the epicenter
of a lot of psychological elements of Western culture and
Eastern and Middle Eastern culture. Maybe it doesn't mean much

(01:38:48):
to the Asians and whatnot. They don't maybe have a deep,
deep links to that, to that conflict, to that land,
but we do. And and somehow this move and then
the anti movement just seems to swallow people a culture's whole.
And so we saw this in Russia and then it

(01:39:10):
migrated over to Germany in the early nineteen tens when
they published the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and
then that propaganda material then goes and takes over the
Nazi sentiment and they republish it and like the whole
nation believes this document. Henry Ford reprints it for the

(01:39:32):
Americans and he believes it. He supports Hitler, and then
you have these terrible outcomes, and then we have all
of Western culture. Has this come to realization of this
is you know what has happened here? This is too far,
and so you have this massive reversal and compensation for that.

(01:39:56):
But now it's very strange to me that in the
conservative movement and now even this the idea is that
the ideology of the Protocols of Zion are emerging in
being being bought into right and and the Jewish conspiracy
now are even in globalism, are a lot of central

(01:40:20):
banking globalists. You have Germans, you have English, some are Scottish,
some are Jewish, you have everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
It's almost like the Bolshevik Revolution, isn't it, even though
they blame it all in the Jews primarily because yes,
there were Jews, and you have everybody, right, and Marx.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Was Jewish and so and so at the top of
these movements, you have a fair amount of Jewish people
that represents less than zero point zero one percent of
the Jewish population. Correct, most Jewish people are wonderful, regular
people like you and me, and they have nothing to
do with it. And and by the way, our groups

(01:40:57):
from our just our ethnicities are also represented in these
corrupt establishment sure circles, uh, and are doing just as
much evil to our to our society, to our civilization.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
Do you think it has to do with religious ideal?
Religious ideology? A lot of this simply because of what
the Bible talks about and talks about that the Jews
the chosen people, but also that they've betrayed Christ and
Christ's forgiveness and understanding of Judaism and the people of Judaea.
Is it is it? Is it a jealousy? Like I
understand what we're saying, right, there's there's no reason you

(01:41:35):
can't criticize the Israeli government. There's no reason you can't
even criticize portions of the of the Jewish religion, which
I think Hasidic Jews and the Tulmud are extremists. But
I also think Opus Day is also extreme in several others.
But do you believe that there is jealousy towards towards
Israel when it comes to a theological perspective that might
be driving some of this from from worldwide perception.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
Well, there's different groups. You have the tribal groups that
or like family groups in the in the Middle East,
but then in the West you have it's more like
along religious groups and political groups. And so depending on
what group you're in, there's different history either alliances or enmity. Sure,

(01:42:18):
and so if you're in this particular group, you might
have some old beef with certain Jewish groups and whatnot.
If you're with this one, you love them, you want
to give them money and put a blanket on them
and take care of them and write. Just depends on
which group you're in.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
Do you think people like Nick Fouentez, Stu Peters even
canis Owen's Hodge Twins. These are these people are starting
to embrace that that more of extreme aside towards Jews.
Do you do you find this concerning in the conservative
movement that we're seeing this or do you think this
is a natural progression of what you talk about in
your book. I mean, this is what it's designed to do.
Is so some form of divide.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
There's two things. Wellah, there is a natural reaction. A
lot of these people have been burned by like count Kanye,
and they've been burned by Jewish individuals, right, and so
they have you know, they're reacting to it. And as

(01:43:20):
you dig in, as you're putting the puzzle together, there
is there is a banking cartel that's real. Sure, there
is a globalist ideology that's real too. There is a
lot of strange things practiced by these groups. For this group, Okay,
that's real. And certain percentage of them are English, like

(01:43:45):
I said, all these German, whatever Italian, and number of
them are Jewish. But again I don't characterize they don't
practice Judaism. They happen to just be Jewish descent. That
doesn't mean that there's a Jewish conspiracy. There is a
globalist conspiracy. Sure is a globalist agenda, but it's but

(01:44:07):
they just fixate on that. That's this whole mentality, this
whole ideology of this Protocols document and the ideas that
it promotes. But I don't think that the Jews that
are participating in that are representative of the Jewish people.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Right on the line of phylum, class, order species, it's
way down the line. Is there a religion, because there's
so many other things and ideologies or personal beliefs or
credo that they emulate that don't even touch religion.

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
I believe in one human family.

Speaker 1 (01:44:41):
When explain that, well, I know you already did, but
explain it again.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
I mean anytime it starts to go into this, you know,
thing against this group or against that group. We do
have differences. There are religious and odds with each other, ideologies,
nations and odds with each other. Sure, I always try
to go back to, but we're all one human family, right,
We're all human being. We're all here dealing with very

(01:45:09):
similar things and facing challenges. There's there's socioeconomic strata, there's
all these differences. We're all very different and there's different groups.
But at the end of the day, we all are all,
in one way or another, part of one human family.

Speaker 1 (01:45:25):
Sure, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
I think that clears a lot of that away. Now,
are there are there real threats, there's real threats, But
I don't think it's these groups.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
I think the real.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Threat is and always has been, a corrupt establishment. And
a corrupt establishment is typically not an ethnic group.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
No, no, no, not at a large scale. No, and
maybe it's a smaller scale.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
What Thomas Jefferson says, and I quote it in the
like the prologue or the introduction, he says, the conflict
today is the same as it is always been right,
whether men will be ruled by a small elite or
whether they will be free to govern themselves, educate, and
inform the whole mass of the people. They are the
only share reliance for the preservation of our liberty. And

(01:46:14):
I take those marching orders directly for I think that's
the conflict. It was the conflict then, it was the
conflict during the Renaissance and the Reformation. It's the conflict today.
And yeah, if they can throw us off their scent
trail and have us go after the Iraqis or go
after the Afghanis or the Taliban, or go after al Qaeda.

(01:46:36):
You know, maybe we should go after al Qaida and
isis right, but not invade and stay for twenty years.
But a lot of times they're funding and propping up
these groups so that we have someone to go after
and be afraid of. So I think it's much more complex,
But I think it's a big mistake when we forget
we are all part of one human family.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
It's interesting. It brings us back full circle to the
beginning of our conversation, where you know, what has past
his prologue and are we truly just in the exact
same state we were from the feudal period to the Renaissance,
So I have the Age of Enlightenment to the Golden
Era to the Industrial Revolution. There's always haves and have nots.
It's interesting. It's I've just seen a trend that there

(01:47:23):
is a group of whether they're considered conservatives, that sound
an awful lot like leftist ideology. And it's concerning to
me because I don't believe. Well, let me ask this,
fascism and socialism or communism. Do you think that there

(01:47:43):
is a difference between the two, because.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
There are nuanced differences, Sure there are.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
But there is this this belief that somehow they are
on the opposite sides of the political spectrum. And I
would love to get your take on it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
You think that's another false premire, Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Thank god, because East Germany overnight, overnight embrace communism like that.
Sure so, but go ahead walk walk us through that.
Then we're gonna shift to something.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
I mean, it's a it's it's an infantile argument. It
is that communism is about like trade.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
Union redistribution, state abusia, and.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
And fascism is about nationalism. No, no, no, no, no.
Fascism was about superiority. They believe there was one superior
reed or nation. But and it was called national socialism
because they believed that that they're creating a global empire. Okay,
so it wasn't really restricted to one nation. They were expansionists.

(01:48:43):
They wanted to take you rope and take the world.
They were, in a way, like a proto globalist occult movement.
And so Hitler gets he has a mixture. He he's
like a mixologist. You know, he's bringing in theosophy from
blow Vatsky's writings, and he's bringing in socialism from Karl Marx,

(01:49:03):
even though he he hates Karl Marx because he's racist
and he hates Jews, and Carl was a Jew, so
he hated the person, but he adopted the belief system
and the and then yeah, and so when you have
it's very simple. The left and the right is a
spectrum of freedom on the right and tyranny on the left.

(01:49:24):
And the bigger and the more authoritarian the government you're
on the left. And the smaller and the less spending
and the more more individual liberty you're on the right.
And in the middle are the people who want to
have some strike, some sort of balance. That's right, that's
that's right, and left dynamics not. Oh, you're nationalistic. So
all the people on the right are national or Workers Party,

(01:49:45):
you know, it's it was the German the DAP, the
German Workers Socialist Party.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Right, it's in the it's in the name. It's in
I mean, the last time I checked, it's in the name. Uh.
To break it down even further, individualism versus collectivism, sure,
in as simplest form, I mean, And that's what defines
conservatives versus.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Liberal modern conservatives.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Yeah, Well, the hope of modern conservative because I think
we forget right. There's been a lot of ballooning of
government and growth of government, and a lot of conservative
principles that have been abandoned. I don't recognize the Republican
Party and the GOP of when I was a kid.
Some of those some of those things are good, right,
those are great, especially the amount of wars and overall

(01:50:31):
futility of it, all of just constantly throwing money overseas
into an endless war system. But smaller government. The last
few Republicans have not created smaller government. No religious liberty,
focus on freedom of speech. But it's interesting that the

(01:50:51):
Party of Civil Rights and free speech and the NAACP
and a c l U and gun enthusiasts, I mean
liberals were never against guns liberals or never against borders.
It has really changed, something fundamentally changed. And you talk
about in your book, and it really lays the groundwork
and if anyone is having the same type of questions,
it's right there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
The answers are there, they are, and the research is there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
You just have to, you know, find them. Yeah, that's
not that hard. You want to take a quick break
and then we'll come back you. But if you, No,
I don't take breaks the book they didn't want read written.
There was a guy, he was a great salesman. He
was sued, but do you remember his saying the things

(01:51:35):
that they don't want you to know about? And he
did those infomercials. Yeah, and he said, you know the
ten things. And then what this guy said was, Hey,
you have heartburn, don't take an an acid tablet. Introduce
more acid. Yes, and the additional acid. It's your your
your body is not producing enough gastro intestinal acids, so

(01:51:56):
it can't process the food, so it's reading more gas
and that's giving you acid reflux. So drink orange juice
and introduced the cidic vinegars. And doctors are like, no, no,
this is absolutely the opposite of what you should do
if you have acid reflux. And this guy went on

(01:52:17):
TV and he the ten things they don't want you
to know about, and he sold these books and he
made millions of just grifting people. And then he came
out the Ten Secrets to the stock market. I'll introduce
him into the show and everyone will recognize him because
he was the ronco of grifters. This book, most assuredly

(01:52:38):
is the book they don't want you to know about
And you can take that title and slap it on here,
because this is why they don't want to know about Sololinski.
They don't want you to know about Maoism, they don't
want you to understand about Darwin, they don't want want
you to understand about Voltaire and all of the things
that we've seen. Why is this book so damn important

(01:53:00):
for people to read? And just give me the cliff
notes of why every American should read it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Because they need to be deprogrammed and they need to
get caught up on everything they've missed so they can
be fully educated and equipped to make great political decisions
in order to guide our country to success and not failure.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Do you think it's just political? Do you think that
there is some hidden nugget in there that can create
a better spiritual version of yourself? I rand the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Book absolutely, you know. I have a section in the
book where I cover the two movements that led to
the revolution. One was the Great Awakening, which was a
Christian renewal revival movement that came out of England, Oxford,
England and then spread throughut England and then came here
to the thirteen colonies. It probably had a larger impact

(01:53:54):
here and helped forge our national identity and some meant
our demand for liberty and independence that came out of
that movement and nationwide, well across the colony. Then you
had this movement of the Enlightenment in England and France,

(01:54:14):
where new ideas were coming together as people were trying
to unders ascertain the truth of things, the truth of science,
the truth of nature, the truth of government, the truth
of economics. And from that we get the ideas that
formed the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution,
and then also informed free market capitalism seventeen seventy six

(01:54:37):
with The Wealth of Nations written, and so all of
these ideas are coming together at one moment. So you
always have two movements. You know, man has two powerful
elements to him. Okay, he's got a spiritual nature, a
spiritual component to his being, but then he's got a

(01:54:59):
dynamic consciousness. So these are the two primal elements of
the human being. And so in history and in the
modern era, there's always been two movements to fulfill or
bring to fruition the next level for Western civilization, to
take us spiritually to the next level, and then consciously

(01:55:22):
psychologically mentally to the next level.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Okay, in the and you differentiate spirituality and consciousness.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Yes, of course, So consciousness has to do with matters
were relating to the mind, the subconscious mind, the unconscious mind, uh,
and and all all the anatomical qualities of the psyche.
And then that relates to the elements of life, the
rudimentary everyday elements of life. The main categories of that

(01:55:50):
is art, science, uh, government, governance, and business, and then
consciousness itself.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Where are you coming up with those or who came
up with those?

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Those are my categories, those are yours.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
So the Maslow hierarchy of needs is not even in
that equation food water.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Well, though that's an individual I'm talking about civilizations.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
I see what you're saying as a collective thank you thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
So as as we're coming out of the dark ages,
you have these big breakthroughs, right, the printing press, and
you have Martin Luther hearing that just Sola lived by
faith on those steps in sun Escala, yep, right, And
then you have the Medici's translating ancient Greek texts into

(01:56:37):
Latin and Italian and whatnot. And then you have this,
then you have this explosion. So you have two movements.
You have a Renaissance, which is the proto Enlightenment. So
that's that's the European civilization bursting forth into their next level,
their next dimension in the sphere of consciousness. So we

(01:56:59):
have these great breakthroughs in governance, art, science, and our
understanding of the psyche. Okay, Copernicus, right, you have all
these things. But then simultaneous to that movement up in Germany,
Martin Luther just rediscovering the salvation experience that they didn't
know about for a thousand years, like in any major

(01:57:22):
quantity or form, and so he rediscovers this or redistributes
it out to the people. Okay, So that's the spiritual component,
that's the spiritual breakthrough, got it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:31):
Okay, Now it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Doesn't take you all the way, it just takes you
to your next level. So then a couple hundred years later,
we're ready. Now society has sort of mastered that, absorbed
and digested and incorporated all that. Now they're ready to
go to the next level of societal evolution. And so
that's when in the seventeen hundreds you have two more
virtually simultaneously. You know, there's some decades there, but very close.

(01:57:57):
And so you have the Great Awakening, which again is
a very similar thing, but now it's taking it to
the next level of and that's with George Whitfield. And
that starts when this woman tries to commit suicide in
the river over in Oxford where he's going to college,
and she fails, and they fish hero out of the river.
Because her husband's in prison, she can't feed the kids

(01:58:18):
and they're they're starving. So she's in despair and she
goes looking for George Whitfield and he runs right into
her and he gives us some money and they go
to prison and he reads John three sixteen to them.
And as the woman goes, I believe I can have
this everlasting life. As she something starts to happened to her.
She starts going through this transformation before experience. Then her

(01:58:40):
husband says, I believe too. He catches it till he
gets it. Whitfield doesn't know what's going on. He goes
back home. He's praying about this. He's trying to understand this.
He says, you know what, I'm going to have a
simple faith. He's reading his book about the inner life,
in the outer life, your form of religion, but not
I have anything going on, you know, no experience in
her inward connection. And and he says, I want it

(01:59:02):
to I'm gonna I have I can have it too.
Does it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
It happens for him too.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
And so he goes and starts preaching it. They kick
him out of all the English Anglican churches. So he
does it in the fields, in the highways and the byways,
and all the working class come out to see them,
and thousands, tens of thousands of people come to Christ.
And then he goes to the drawn to the colonies,
comes here, he preaches to eighty percent of the colonies.
He clears out whole towns. He was the first superstar,

(01:59:29):
any type of superstar, right. And he because he links
up with Franklin. Franklin's publishing all his sermons. He's spreading
the revival. And America goes through this great revival and
they experienced salvation. And now once they have salvation, they go, oh,
we don't need you know when the when the Pilgrims
got salvation and the Reformers and the Lutherans got salvation
in Germany, and we don't need a pope, we don't

(01:59:51):
need a priesthood. We can get it directly. And when
the Americans colonists experience, they go, we don't need a king,
we already have one. We will take a governor or president.
We don't want a king anymore. We all only have
one king. Right. They wanted freedom. So that movement's happening.
That's them going to the next spiritual level. But then
you have the Enlightenment, where now conscious the consciousness aspect

(02:00:14):
of man is now going to the next level. Here's
what's interesting. So now two hundred and fifty years later,
it's happening again. Okay, so we're at the in the
beginnings of a great spiritual movement, and then we're also
having this huge burst and we've had more enlightenments like
the industrial revolutions. Sure, information is sure, sure, but now

(02:00:36):
we're having this great enlightenment.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Right now, Yes we are, numbers are there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
And so consciousness is going to the next level, all right,
And what I mean by that the understanding of the
psyche Okay, the mind and the psyche AI technology, which
is science, technology, stem, science, technology, engineering, and math.

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
That's science.

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
Okay, governance and business going through a revolution, and then
art you'll see the arts, right, explosion of art. So
that's what happens, and they're there's they're usually within decade,
a decade or two of each other, or simultaneous. This
is how Western civilization has progressed.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
Do you talk about I can't remember Michelangelo da Vinci
and all of this. That's also a part of that
great awakening.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
They were part of the burst, like the breakthrough in
art under the Medici's, yeah, who were patronizing them and
during the Renaissance in out of Florence, Italy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
I just don't remember if you talked about it or not.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
I don't you know, there's too much to cover.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
I know that. That's why the woke mind virus. Can
you pluralize viruses? How long do you want the book
to be? Well, that's well, that's listen. That's what we
do on my show is people are like, well, Matt,
why don't you go into this. There's only so many
hours in the day. Yeah, I mean, listen to this conversation.
This could branch off to one hundred episode. This is
why when we when we talked about long form podcast,

(02:01:57):
I was like yeah, this this makes sense that you
and I could probably do a long form sure, and
vice versa. I wouldn't always have to be in the
seat I would I would I would like to be
on the other end of the spectrum at some point.
Let's dive into let's dive into Epstein. Sure, because this
is this is where I consider myself a historian. I

(02:02:18):
don't think that I have the breath of knowledge that
you do. I think you understand you know this topic
better than anybody that I've ever met. And and this
is why I'll have a prostate position of listening to
you in a deference towards you, because you understand it.
And when we get into the political spectrum and we

(02:02:40):
get into more of the more recent current events, I
think it's going to offer a perspective to the audience
so they can hear you correlate the book to some
of the things we're seeing. And the Epstein thing is
is very interesting to me. One is what's happened now
is that there is a lot of misinformation that is

(02:03:03):
leading people down to different conclusions that are accurate. And
I think this is a topic that the right has
understood fairly well. They've lived it for the last ten years.
They cared about it when the left did it. Oh yeah,
and we know that the left is they are immersed
in this. I mean they are covered in the stink

(02:03:25):
of Epstein. But as we know America, in this country
only cares about politics for about three to four months
out of every four years. They just don't care. They
don't care about the primaries, they don't care. The general
election is really all they show up to. And they

(02:03:47):
start turning on the TV around August and start consuming.
And they get there, go to the trough and they
get fed their stuff, and then all of a sudden
they are experts and they come back and then they
go punch their ticket the polls and then come home.
But the average layman liberal Democrat is just learning about
this because they've assigned Trump and he's a pedophile, and

(02:04:10):
this gives them the ammunition to go ahead and go
on the forums and social media and espouse atrocities towards
Trump for the latest and greatest flavor of the week. Yeap,
the long way around the barn around this. I'd love
to get your take on this. How do you feel
as a voter, how do you feel as a Trump supporter, Yeah,

(02:04:31):
about the things he said about Epstein. And you know,
I understand people are saying that he trashed his supporters
and called them, you know, fools and idiots and all,
and that's not what happened. But I want to get
your feeling minus all the noise, and then let's reintroduce
the noise so we can have a really good conversation
about it. Yeah. I have a bunch of thoughts on this.

(02:04:56):
Go figure, you're not an opinionated guy. I've noticed that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Well, I will say this, Trump and Bongino and cash
Betel and Pambondi are really honest people. Yeah, they're good people. Yeah,
great to do important work to save the country. Sure,
I fully support them. But god, are they terrible liars.
I mean, they're the worst liars ever because they're honest,
good people. Yeah right, and so when they're trying to uh,

(02:05:26):
deflect and deny things, you're not good at it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
Like you know, they were. No Gino looked like literally
like he was. It was like it was like Stockholm syndrome.
It's like he literally, you know, he looked like you know,
he looked like he looked like Marina Oswald. After the
FBI had her for six months and then released her
on the public. I mean she was He looked like
he was pumped full of tranquilizers and electro shot treatments.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
Wait wait Epstein, Yeah, you're still talking about this guy.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
Yeah, that creep. Yeah, I mean it was pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
It's bad.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
It was pretty bad. Why why why did you do it?
Why did Trump? I mean, let's just get to it.
Why did you do it? Why why did he didn't reverse?
Because he never promised. He was actually very coy about
it through the six years he hit him on a
rally or too, but he did say we should take
a look at it. Nasked we would release JFK said yep,
J six, yep, MLK, yep. And once they got to Epstein,

(02:06:22):
he said yes. But right, but he hasn't. He said,
but as long as it's factually accurate, because there was
a lot of misnomer in there. There was a lot
of accusations that weren't true, and he always held that premise.
But we know his entire administration was like, we're going
to release the Epstein files.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
I'll start with this, sure with sure, go ahead. Trump
has been accused falsely of every horrible thing you can imagine.

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
Oh yeah, everything, He's.

Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
Been falsely accused, investigated to the nth degree. In every case,
every investigation, he's come out clean as a whistle. Yeah, innocent. Now.
I know there were some weird convictions. On some they
have no credibility.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
Okay, hold on misdemeanors thirty four charges essentially take saying,
take a spreadsheet, go on Excel, put the same incorrect typo.
Go ahead and do it thirty four times, and charge
you with the felony when it's past the central of limitations,
and create new laws to do so. You and I
both know it's kind of shit.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
So I'm just going to say this for the record
that I will give Trump the benefit of the doubt
that he's clean.

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
You should, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
He has given me no reason to think anything other
than that. Was he a billionaire playboy for decades? Yep? Yeah.
Did he have a bunch of failed marriages? Yeah, he
owns up to that, he does. Do I think he
was breaking the law with Jeffrey Epstein. No, I don't
believe he was, and I even think there's evidence of that.
And if we see this letter or these different things
that they're trying to leak out to the media. It's

(02:07:49):
a joke. Sure, in my mind it's a joke. So
I'll say that. I'll also say this. I think this
is the really important point. Okay, everybody is getting lost
and getting the averted about what's going on, what we're
up against. Let me make it clear. There is an
international central banking cartel that controls the economic system.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
In the West.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
Okay, all right, this is what their interests are, not
the interests of the people, workers, citizens. They do not
share our interests. They're at odds with us. They're stealing
from us, and they're abusing their power, and they've got
to go, and we want them gone. We want to
fire them. In order to do that, we are in

(02:08:34):
various Western countries. We're forming populist movements to elect champions
into office to perform a massive reform and dismantle this
hierarchical structure. That's what we're trying to do. Now that
being said, I go into the history of globalism, I
go into their origin story, I go into their belief system.

(02:08:55):
I go into all their teachers. They're founding fault I
do all that, right, so the globalists.

Speaker 1 (02:09:03):
Operate.

Speaker 2 (02:09:03):
They created the Western spy agencies. Okay, Lord Milner, Alfred Milner, Okay,
he starts the war cabinet, he's heading up the war cabinet.
He's leading the globalist order after the death of Cecil Rhodes. Okay,
and that is the creation, the genesis of all of
the modern intelligence agencies. And so how do they utilize these, Well,

(02:09:27):
they depose people, they overthrow governments, They destabilize countries where
they want to come in and get the resources. They
do whatever's in their interests. They fulfill their interests, and
these are their tools. Okay, how do they how do
they maintain control? Well, they do it largely through bribery
and blackmail.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
Okay. A monarchy is a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:09:47):
Easier to control because you just have to control on family.
Maybe you have your kids, marry their kid. There's different
things you can do. Democracies are very complicated. There's lots
of elections, there's lots of moving parts. So what's the
what's the the number one method they've they've found an
effective method to control a democracy bribery and blackmail through

(02:10:07):
typically through the intelligence agencies that are supposedly there to
represent our interests abroad.

Speaker 1 (02:10:14):
Okay, So which agencies. You name it, well, I can't
name it. This is your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
You have C I, A, M, I six masade and
so there's a long history.

Speaker 1 (02:10:26):
But but not not national agencies. We're not federal agencies.
If we want to talking about FBI, we're not talking
about oh and I. We're talking about sure CIA. Oh
those two sure yeah, FBI. Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:10:36):
And so you have these like the National Security Act
and these different things that allow them to create this
confidential structure of evidence.

Speaker 1 (02:10:46):
Right, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (02:10:47):
It means if your team is committing crimes, you can
make it confidential, you can seal it, sure, you can
decline to prosecute them, correct, and so there therefore you
can commit unlimited crime. It's the problem with it. It
should be illegal, sure. And so from the du Treux
affair in the in Belgium to various orphanages throughout the

(02:11:12):
UK Northern Ireland, into all these different cases, there is
a pattern of intelligence agencies using this the trafficking and
sexualization of children and prostitutes to blackmail you name it,
elected officials, judges, trus as, people, you have it. And

(02:11:35):
so this is the number one most effective way to
if you want to establish covert control over a republic,
a democracy. This is the number one way, proven way
to do it, and it's been done for a long time.
Many many cases have been outed. But the Franklin scandal.
I mean, people can go look these things up. This

(02:11:55):
is not.

Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
This is not it's not conspiracy theory. No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:11:59):
So new web did wrote two great volumes on this
one nation under blackmail, and she does a thorough breakdown.
Fantastic author and researcher. Okay, so this cannot stand. But
I'm getting to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
A point now.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
I know that the fact that they're using this method
to control and to commit unspeakable crime and to maintain
their stranglehold on our system so that our elected officials
ultimately serve them their interests and their bills and their
appropriations and their money money laundering schemes are legalized and
passed by our Congress, by our representatives. See what I

(02:12:39):
mean A little? Okay, So if you want to if
you want to deconstruct that and break that down, like
like Trump said, he said, I'm going to dismantle the
deep state, right, and he said we're gonna, We're gonna.
I don't know exactly what words he said, but your
parents fliftball. The spirit of the idea was that we'll
cripple the globalists and the globalist establishment, right, And he's

(02:12:59):
done great job pulling us out, minimizing our participation in
the UN and NATO, and then pulling out of UNESCO
and nWo. Okay, So that's that's great, but that's temporary.
As soon as they get another puppet in, we're right
back in, okay, funding everything. But if you want to

(02:13:20):
really bring it down and turn the public against them
permanently and have a new era of real representative self government,
we all you have to do is expose the Epstein scandal.
All you have to do is out out the network
and the clients.

Speaker 1 (02:13:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:13:37):
And that's a ton of the network right there. Here's
the problem. Trump's job in this in this present conflict
is to be the champion of the populist movement, come
in and do the reforms and have the new next
era for America which will then cascade out to the
rest of the West sixty plus western countries.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
Sure, that's his job.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
The job of the establishment is to stop him at
all costs, correct, Okay. And they've tried, and they keep failing,
which is amazing to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:14:08):
It's like it's literally an effort in futility. It's do
you remember the old spy versus Spy cartoons? Yeah, yeah,
about fifty percent of the time they were successful when
against The Liberals would kill for those for those numbers.
They are literally the coyote versus the road.

Speaker 2 (02:14:24):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:14:25):
They just fail endlessly.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
It's incredible. You know, I think he has providence on
his side.

Speaker 1 (02:14:30):
Well, I think that's a fair assumption, especially after what
happened in Butler. It's a I think it was a miracle.
I can't see it any other way. I keep going
because I think we're going to be in the same
ball park here.

Speaker 2 (02:14:41):
Okay, so that's all really all I have to do.
Here's the problem, though, They need to stop him. Okay,
this is a huge risk for them that that evidence
would be revealed. Okay, so what do they do to
stop him? Here's my opinion. Okay, you have two twentieth
century presidents to start to become reform and that's a problem.
You didn't really have reformers since the late eighteen hundreds

(02:15:04):
with Teddy Roosevelt. But two guys get some idea and
they're going to do something right and that's first. Uh, well,
you have JFK and Nixon, right, so they got it.
When they start turning and wanting to take the reins
and drive the car and be the president, you got
to get rid of them. So we know what they
did with JFK. We know what they did with Watergate
and Nixon maybe not everyone knows that that was a

(02:15:25):
CIA operation what it was. Uh and he wasn't part
of the the break in, but he was part of
the cover up.

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
Sure, okay, sure, So.

Speaker 2 (02:15:34):
In my opinion, last July, they tried the JFK playbook
on Trump in Butler and its failed.

Speaker 1 (02:15:40):
So you think crooks paid asset or or or government asset.

Speaker 2 (02:15:47):
No, I believe in like forty five coincidences.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
Don't get don't kick cocky with me.

Speaker 2 (02:15:51):
And removing all the security and the sniper's pointing right
at him, don't shoot him.

Speaker 1 (02:15:55):
You don't even yet.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
Yeah, I don't even I was born yesterday. Yeah, yeah,
I believe the official story.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
Don't get sas so so we know that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:02):
But that's a JFK playbook. Okay, Okay. They did the
JFK Hail Mary pass and failed.

Speaker 1 (02:16:09):
What about Ralph. What about the second one over on
Palm Beach, think that was also paid.

Speaker 2 (02:16:14):
Well, we know that guy was dealing with the CIA.
We know that he was involve the Ukraine situation, so
we know.

Speaker 1 (02:16:19):
He understood ballistics, knew how to create a sniper's nests.
There's a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
Yes, I think that's JFK playbook. Honestly's my opinion. Okay,
I'm speculating.

Speaker 1 (02:16:26):
No, No, it's okay, it's what I want to get.

Speaker 2 (02:16:27):
Go ahead, Okay, But then now we're now fast forward
twelve months, we're in this July. We're in July again.
Now I believe they're running the Nixon playbook on Trump.
How So, Nixon playbook is three steps. First, you have
the setup where you plant the evidence or or or
you know, do the setup like Watergate. The second part

(02:16:48):
is to encourage them to cover it up right and
in the process of covering it up, break some laws.
And then third is you use official processes to reveal
everything about their cover up and then take them down
the takedown. So here's what I think they're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:17:03):
I think, and then we just cut the fourth and
then save him with a pardon. Shortly after with a
new installed president.

Speaker 2 (02:17:11):
Maybe that's a deal if they get him to Is
that amazing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:17:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:17:16):
So so okay, so you have this this Epstein situation,
and you have these files that have been in the
possession of the deep state, right and let me let
me also say there's multiple vaults. Let's say that there's
eight to ten vaults filled with Epstein evidence. Okay, when
he goes to the Southern District, when Pambondi raids the

(02:17:37):
Southern District of New York and gets that evidence out
of there that office, that's only one vault, right, But
that's the poison vault, that's the radioactive vault. So I
think it's very likely that they deleted a lot of
the incriminating evidence of their group, their interested parties, but
planted or left in embarrassing inform I don't think anything

(02:18:00):
criminal is there, but I think embarrassing things might be
there because he was friends with him for fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (02:18:04):
Absolutely agree with that.

Speaker 2 (02:18:06):
So they can embarrass him, embarrass his family.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
Uh, and manufactured as well. Let's let's not put it
past oh and manufacturing. We know this because this is
the intellossier. This is this is the intelligence agency hiring
hiring an excommunicated intelligence official, right, and for the dossia
yea literally excommunicated from intelligential or whatever. Yeah, they steal,
does say? And and bringing in steel, Yeah, to run

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this playbook. It's it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:18:33):
So I don't trust that vault. I think that Southern
District of New York FBI vault is tainted. Okay, Okay,
So do I care if they released that? No, because
I think it's tainted, and most of it's deleted. The
stuff we're interested in that would take them down is deleted.
Now they're talking about, Okay, well, we want the Lane

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to come and testify before Congress.

Speaker 1 (02:18:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:18:57):
Why, she's not a credible witness. She's a evicted child
trafficker and she's desperate to get out of jail. She'll
do anything to get out of jail if you if
you cut her a deal, she'll say anything. Sure, she
is not a credible witness, and she it's ridiculous a
circus to bring her in there. But there are other vaults.
The CIA has a vault. He Epstein claimed to many

(02:19:22):
many witnesses that he was working with the CIA. That
means a lot of that election, and that compromat was
going to them. So I believe there's probably a vault
at the CIA, maybe at the NSA as well, and
Tulca Gabbert should dig into this and see what she
see what she.

Speaker 1 (02:19:39):
Can find there.

Speaker 2 (02:19:41):
And then you also have vaults that are sealed, and
I don't mean physical vault, I.

Speaker 1 (02:19:47):
Know what you're saying, in metaphorical vault.

Speaker 2 (02:19:49):
Two courts where the Galain trial is a body of
evidence that I think is much more difficult for them
to tamper with. And I think we should investigate if
it was tampered with. Sure, and that's a crime too, tamper.

Speaker 1 (02:20:00):
With evidence, especially if it's especially if it's sealed by
a grand jury, which it is exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
And then you have two Epstein trials, yep in the
early two thousands and then the one where he was
in prison where he supposedly committed suicide, right with the
famous video.

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
So two minutes and forty three seconds missing.

Speaker 2 (02:20:18):
Yeah, so yeah, but nothing to see here. He definitely
killed himself. We saw the video.

Speaker 1 (02:20:21):
Hey, you and I both know that at eleven fifty
nine to twelve o'clock that those old vhs and Beta.

Speaker 2 (02:20:28):
Max day you have to switch over you.

Speaker 1 (02:20:29):
Know how many that I had, Dude, we had those
in Hollywood Video and you know what, we put redundancies
in after the first time, somebody came in at eleven
and fifteen. So it's all bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:20:38):
No, it's bullshit, just like Butler, you know, it was
just forty five really unusual coincidence.

Speaker 1 (02:20:45):
Let's wash it down. You haven't seen this show, but
you need to watch it. So I go through and
I break down the five five basic structures of operational
security when you're producting in HVT. So I've got a
few friends in secret service and et cetera. Yeah, and
I just break it down just the entire prop. It
was the biggest shit show I've ever seen. Every single

(02:21:06):
rule about operational security and protecting and being a body
man was broken. Even if you see the quick Reaction
team that was pulled in, even what they were doing.
Everything was a shit show. But you and I agree
on that. Okay, So Vaults New York. We know what's
going on in Florida, we know what's going on all
over masade Cia keep going.

Speaker 2 (02:21:29):
So Trump and his team are not doing any themselves
any favors how they were originally handling it. But I
think that there they've recovered the ball. I think that
Trump has been through so much stress, so much. I mean,
they've just endless, endlessly assaulted this man over and over again.
And I think he's fed up, he's done.

Speaker 1 (02:21:46):
I think he's sick of it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:47):
So now can we get in I brought some slides.
Can we get into that? What I think you should
do to respond? Like my recommend my proposal to Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
No, you know what, I think we're just to stop.
Let's say no, no, lets you guys don't want to
hear any no, you heard it enough. Yeah, let's go
into it, walk us through it, and this is great.
I'll put up the graphic for everybody so they can
see it, and then you break it down for us.

Speaker 2 (02:22:06):
So, you know, Trump in his first term discovered that
he had this thing called the pardon power. Right, So,
once he discovered his ability to pardon people that were
wrongfully imprisoned, he started using it more and more until
he really mastered it. And so coming into office, he
pardoned all the J sixers and he's pardoning to the max. Yeah, okay,

(02:22:28):
because he realized this is my power as a president.
He also has the power to fire people, and the
courts restored that to him. Yes they did, and so
really it is about him understanding his powers and using
them to their fullest. Okay, but Trump, A lot of
people don't know this, but Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
Is the chief executive.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
Jefferson called him the chief magistrate, which just means it's
an old timey term for the CEO of the country.
He runs the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, in all
law enforcement, so he is actually the chief law enforcement
officer in the country, as well as the commander chief
of the military. So all these powers invested in his
office and in him. So he's America's top cop.

Speaker 1 (02:23:11):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:23:11):
Okay, And in my opinion, he needs to get pissed
if I if I do another slide, might add another slide.
Trump needs to go We want to see Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:23:21):
Go hulk mode.

Speaker 2 (02:23:24):
He is pissed, and he should be pissed, and he
should lean into the anger, but he should direct his
anger at the people trying to set him up and
trying to destroy our country.

Speaker 1 (02:23:32):
The hunter becomes the hunter. Yeah, the hunted hunter becomes
the hunter. Sorry. Yeah, he's so. I was almost good.
I was almost a good.

Speaker 2 (02:23:40):
As Trump needs to go hulk mode. He needs to
go after these people aggressively. How okay, he needs to.
He's also the top prosecutor. I know he's not a prosecutor,
but he's over all the prosecutor.

Speaker 1 (02:23:54):
He's he's secutive branch. He enforces a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:23:55):
So he is the top prosecutor and the top copy
So add his war on drugs, Bush Junior had his
war on terror, It's about time for Trump to announce
his war. I think Trump needs to go to war
against government crime. And if he goes to war against
government crime, he will dismantle the deep state, he will
cripple the globalist order, and he will win, and he

(02:24:17):
will submit this reform movement for decades, if not, if
not more than many decades. This is possibly the most
important thing he can do right now. He needs to
go to war on government crime. Exposed this stuff, open investigations,
prosecute these people. How I recommend that he fully embrace
and utilize his prosecutorial power to open investigations, indict people,

(02:24:41):
and prosecute them to its full fullness, like he has
done with his pardon power. I think he needs to
start stretching those prosecutorial muscles and investigation muscles. How does
he do it? I think he should hire twenty one outsiders.
He already started with Ed Martin and Jeaneine Piro and
some others. We need more out and Harmy Dillon. We

(02:25:01):
want more conservative outsider maga populist prosecutors, not deep staters,
not swamp monsters, not these tainted, corrupted lawyers. We want
great outsider US officials to come in. And I recommend
he you know, this is my name for it, but

(02:25:23):
I recommend he call them his hired guns, Trump's twenty
one guns, his twenty one hired guns to take on
the deep state and take on government crime. You know,
you can't call it government corruption. But if you call
it crime, the public understands that crime must be punished.
That if you do something illegal, you know you've got
to get prosecuted and possibly go to jail. Right, Okay,

(02:25:45):
So I think it's got to be government crime, not
just corruption. It carries a different meaning. And he's got
to flex his prosecutorial power. And and I have this thing.
It's like a bingo card. It's modeled after an evidence
board from a police station. But it's just twenty of them,
maybe forty or fifty. Publicly known crimes that we've seen

(02:26:08):
play out on primetime television that we have a lot
of them, we have the evidence for them, sure. And
so for instance, the three hundred and twenty thousand missing
children that the New York Posts reported on that came
over the border and were given to sponsors with no vetting.
They lost these children, twenty one trillion missing dollars Act Blue,
which were money laundering, operation Twitter files, open border human trafficking,

(02:26:29):
COVID crimes, and I put a blue check mark like
a Bingo card over cross by a hurricane, because that's
the only one they're publicly investigating that they're promoting. They
might be investigating other ones of these, but I think
you take these twenty one guns, have them each open
a huge investigation in each of these crimes, and go
after them very publicly, and punish the criminals if they

(02:26:52):
find that truly criminal activity has taken place, and restore
justice that And you know, I like this slogan. Harrison
was saying this yesterday. The slogan should be just like
the Democrats had their talking point that one month, no
one is above the law, right, nobody's above the law.

Speaker 1 (02:27:11):
That's convenient when they said it for a while. Did
you hear this? We covered this last night. But speaking
of the three hundred and twenty thousand children, did you
know that Biden set up a hotline? Yeah? And that
hot light. Well, I'm gonna tell everybody so because I
got to look smart at some point in this thing,
that Biden set up a hotline to help unaccompanied minors

(02:27:32):
that they could call in if they needed help once
they were delivered. Who we know, damn well, were people
that they did not know that they had, you know,
the names of these people pinned to their shirts. And
sixty five thousand. Now we don't know how many calls
came through, but sixty five thousand calls were ignored and
not even answered, of children screaming for help. How Okay,

(02:27:58):
I grew up in the corporate world. I grew up
in the military too, and both of the same way.
If I would have done anything remotely like Hillary Clinton,
I'd be in Levenworth for the rest of my life.
With my TSSCI, I held a higher clearance than the
admiral of my ship, if that tells anything. Yeah, And
if I was in the corporate world and I let
down sixty customers, I would absolutely be fired and ostracized

(02:28:25):
to the level of neglect that took place. How do
you possibly take this level of crime? And with the
noise from the media and the distractions and the lack
of attention span from listeners, ten percent of my listeners
will listen to this entire thing, How the hell do

(02:28:46):
we get through all the noise? How is that possible? Well?
Is it? Literally?

Speaker 2 (02:28:51):
Trump has to now what it understands the purp walk Yep,
they understand the mugshot, yep, Yeah, it's real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:29:00):
Steal on wrist really makes an impact.

Speaker 2 (02:29:02):
They understand the crying when the judge says you're guilty.

Speaker 1 (02:29:05):
Yeah, don't they understand that?

Speaker 2 (02:29:08):
And if someone's committed, oh they're a bad person. They've
committed a crime. That's real clear. And these people have
been so protected with this two tiered legal system that
they've enjoyed as a luxury benefit of the job. For
being corrupt and part of this network for so many decades,
they've been committing crimes on mass in public, boldly, unashamedly,

(02:29:29):
And so we just need some brave and we need
to lionize these people. You know, I thought it was
a shame that Elon did so much for the movement,
and then I don't feel like he was properly protected
or lionized or boosted or whatever it was. I'm not
saying the way he reacted was the best way, but
I think we can show a little bit more support

(02:29:52):
to the people that are going to put themselves out
on a limb for this movement and take at great
personal risk and attack.

Speaker 1 (02:29:58):
Yeah. Can we just do me a favor? Can we
we have lifelong Democrats who all of a sudden flipped
to conservative? Can we stop putting them in key cabinet positions?

Speaker 2 (02:30:06):
Yes? Can we stop?

Speaker 1 (02:30:07):
Can we stop that shit?

Speaker 2 (02:30:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:30:08):
Because it needs to stop. I'm sick of it. And
Tulsi Gabbard, Okay, you know what, Fine, she did something
good the other day, But I'm so tired of these
lifelong progressives. Do you know that her voting records second
most progressive legislator in US history outside of Kamala Herris.

Speaker 2 (02:30:24):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (02:30:25):
Well. People don't know a lot of things. They don't research.
I mean, people look at here's a terrifying thing. They
you look at Thomas Massey, you look at Marjorie Taylor Green.
You to look at Lauren Boocher. Okay, and these are
icon class of the Republican Party because they're in the media.
But do you want to know who out of state
legislature and senators this is you're blind, You're gonna I'm

(02:30:46):
gonna put the gun over here. Do you know who
voted with Trump more than any other legislator in the
last ten years, who was rated number thirteen out of
all legislators over the last ten years with Donald Trump,
Who voted with Trump more than anyone else?

Speaker 2 (02:31:03):
Do you know? Help me?

Speaker 1 (02:31:04):
What have I told you?

Speaker 2 (02:31:05):
Is Liz Cheney really?

Speaker 1 (02:31:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:31:08):
Yeah, that is shocking.

Speaker 1 (02:31:09):
It's not because you can look up her voting record.
But what have I told you that Thomas Massey has
voted only fifty three percent of the time with Donald Trump?
Would that shock you?

Speaker 2 (02:31:18):
No, that doesn't shock me because Trump has had to
do a lot of compromises to get any.

Speaker 1 (02:31:22):
Of his legislation through. Yeah, but Massey is a wolf
in sheep's clothing. He fundraised it against Donald Trump. He
ran on being obstructionist with Trump. And so my point
is is that we emulate and admire people who we
watch and say, yeah, that's the person.

Speaker 2 (02:31:40):
The rhetoric.

Speaker 1 (02:31:41):
Yeah, they talk so well, but when it comes down
to brass tacks, they don't vote with the president of
the United States. So my point is, can we just
stop putting reformed progressives into key administration spots. That's what
I would love to see number one.

Speaker 2 (02:31:54):
Yeah, but I will, I will be honest. I love
the work that RFK Junior is doing.

Speaker 1 (02:31:58):
Oh yeah, I know. No, No, that is the one.
But he he wasn't a classic liberal. He's not a leftist.

Speaker 2 (02:32:06):
You can say, had very hard left views publicly for
many years.

Speaker 1 (02:32:10):
When it comes to the Big Seven. But what I
didn't hear him preaching the standard prototypical things as socialist
preach or leftist preach. I mean he was, he was.

Speaker 2 (02:32:20):
He was saying people that violate climate change should be
thrown in prison.

Speaker 1 (02:32:23):
Oh he did. Yeah, And he did also said about
gun he all said about gun control and abortions. Yeah,
gun confiscation. Oh and transgender surgeries. I guess you're right,
left shit, you're right. You win. We'll give you a
win on that one.

Speaker 2 (02:32:34):
I think people can change, but I think a lot
of times, no, they be careful.

Speaker 1 (02:32:37):
No, they can't know, they can't t Yes, No, they cannot.
That's a misnomer and you know it. You can only
use your strengths to I believe cover your weaknesses. If
you're a week at something, you can develop talent, you
can try your best. You can you can take a
complete idiot. You can give them all the textbooks and
give all the success, give them the outfits, and then
the end all you have is a motivated idiot. I
don't believe people truly change, but.

Speaker 2 (02:32:59):
With ideas is I think some people can finally realize
if they've been buying into lies for a long time
and well, well agree they can I've been lied to.

Speaker 1 (02:33:07):
They can, they can be awake and they can find
the truth. So like Dave Rubin, for example, who was
on the Young Turks and now is a vastly focused
conservative that I've seen. I mean, he's he's absolutely a conservative.
I think you can change your political ideology. Trump is
a great example of that. Sure, okay, I'm a great

(02:33:27):
example of that.

Speaker 2 (02:33:28):
I was learning, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (02:33:29):
But what I'm talking about is change. If you're a
scumback and you can't be trusted, I don't believe that
that is a is an asset that people can can
can acquire once. Once you are who you are, it's
hard for me to be I'm not about a reformist.
I don't believe people can reform.

Speaker 2 (02:33:47):
You see what you're saying about key positions, and I
think there's merit to what you're saying. That's this umunity
to at least be suspicious based on record. I have
a record, right, however, which when you have in republican
style government, it's not a pretty system, no, and it
is an in democracy. It's all based on the majority,

(02:34:09):
and so you're always going to end up with two coalitions,
and it's two clusters of groups, and as one is
on the ascendancy, you're always going to have those that
are the cynics and the Machiavelli whatever they are, sure
they are going to eventually just come over to your
side because you're winning. Well, right, I'll play show. It

(02:34:29):
is Lindsey Graham, opportunity all that.

Speaker 1 (02:34:31):
But you can't.

Speaker 2 (02:34:33):
You got to feed the greedy with the needy in
a way because you need that majority coalition in order
to hold power.

Speaker 1 (02:34:40):
You and I completely agree. I mean, the Greeks learned
this lesson and the Romans learned it the hard way,
I'm with you. I'm with everything you're saying. You've got
to you got to throw a hen into the foxes
once in a while. I'm with you. I'm here to
say that, truly, people who are inherently bad.

Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
They think Tulsi Gabbard is bad, and I think I think.

Speaker 1 (02:35:04):
I think I didn't. I don't know if I would
say that. Let me let me, let me change this.
I believe two and a half years ago, Tulsi Gabbard
was the most progressive politician in Washington, d C. And
all of a sudden, Donald Trump needs people who are
fiercely loyal to conservative beliefs, Christian values, and everything that

(02:35:25):
she believed two and a half years ago was completely
antithetical to every one of those. I mean, if I
told you her positions, you would Yeah, what were her position? Sure,
let me tell you. Uh, cash bail, scratch it, Okay,
abortion up to including nine months, gun confiscation, all semi
automatic weapons gone, minimum wage increase, yeah do o D

(02:35:47):
was one place we agreed that she believed that we
should expand Department of Defense and Military, which is great. Borders, amnesty,
doctor recipients, and also current legal immigrants in the country. Yeah,
to wish reimbursement and loan forgiveness. I could go on
it on. She extremely progressive. Now here's the problem is

(02:36:09):
a lot of people in my circles no tap Tulsi Gabbard.
So I'm not trying to sabotage Tulsi Gabbard. What I'm
saying is is that you just specifically said that the
intelligence agency is literally blackmailing politicians Masad six skw skk

(02:36:30):
FI asked all the intelligence agencies, and now you have
a person who was one of the most leftist politicians
in the last decade the head of that intelligence agency
and apparatus for the United States. I just think that
that's a very high risk for very little reward. But
I didn't say she's a bad person.

Speaker 2 (02:36:51):
Yeah, I didn't know those were her policy I don't
know if those are. I mean, she had rapped them
because she was trying to gain democratic office, and those
are all like pillars of the Democratic Yeah Party. I
don't know. I know she was always staunchly against the
Forever Wars and the regime change, sure was, and they
eventually burned her.

Speaker 1 (02:37:08):
Yeah. I think because of that and a couple other reasons,
I you.

Speaker 2 (02:37:12):
Know, I'm not. It's okay, it's okay, you know, held
in on her background.

Speaker 1 (02:37:16):
This is not a gotcha. This is something I've covered
on my show many times, and this is something that
I've got loaded on my hip. But it doesn't mean
that that she is the the end all be all.
She may very well be a reformed, recovering leftist, or
maybe maybe she's just become more moderate, and maybe that's
good enough.

Speaker 2 (02:37:36):
I think the populist movement is in the interest of
the people, and it's in really we have a lot
more in common with moderates, conservatives and centrists and moderates.
We need to come together because it all be populoists. Yes,
the leftists called it. The real hard leftists are like
less than twenty percent of the population, but they lie

(02:37:56):
in order to get people to join up with them.

Speaker 1 (02:37:59):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (02:38:00):
They've seduced the centrist and moderates for a long time,
making them think they are liberals, but they're not.

Speaker 1 (02:38:05):
They're no trust they're not not in any way, shape
or form. And the last thing I'll say about Tulsi Gabert,
and this isn't to rail against Tulsi Gaberd I'm very
happy with what she just did. I thought it took
a lot of courage and put a bullseye on her back.
It really did calling out Obama. That's a dangerous proposition,
just asked the Kayak cook. But we all know that
in the beginning of this, when Trump went into Theton's

(02:38:29):
and hit Fartau and hit the nuclear sites that I
ran is that Tulsi Gabbard was kind of put on
the back burner, and there was some dissension between them,
saying that she was wrong when they said that they
weren't enriching you know, uranium and wasn't involved in several
intelligence meetings, and you know she's d and I so

(02:38:50):
I think I just want to be cautious, is what
I'm saying. There are too many wolves in sheep clothing
in twenty sixty and twenty twenty that betrayed Trump leaked.
I mean, my god, how many people betrayed the man.

Speaker 2 (02:39:03):
I just eighty percent of his team.

Speaker 1 (02:39:05):
Yeah, I just want him to be very careful and cautious.
That's all I'm saying. It was much smarter than me.

Speaker 2 (02:39:10):
So there's people that have vouched for her, and so
he's giving her a chance, and I think she's been
bearing good fruit and performing well. If she stops doing that,
you know, I think he should quickly replace people that
aren't performing.

Speaker 1 (02:39:23):
So is there anyone in his cabinet that you think
should be replaced right now who haven't done the job
that you would anticipate. How do you feel Pam Bondi's doing.

Speaker 2 (02:39:30):
You know, I was really disappointed for the first several
months with Pam because she wasn't going after the you know,
these crimes that we have on the scorecard, sure right,
you know day one I wanted her to hit the
ground day one too. I wanted to see hey, announcements,
press conferences of investigations. I wanted to see arrests. I

(02:39:51):
wanted to see pre don raids just like.

Speaker 1 (02:39:54):
They did dark Oh yeah, pajamas and flip flops. I'm
all down.

Speaker 2 (02:39:57):
And we didn't see any of that. So I wasn't
sure why. But I think maybe Trump has more of
a say in what she's doing and not doing than
maybe we thought.

Speaker 1 (02:40:12):
And that's interesting considering the separation of powers and ultimately
the attorney's Generals, although does report to the President of
the United States.

Speaker 2 (02:40:18):
Is supposed to be an independent.

Speaker 1 (02:40:19):
It is supposed to very much be independent, but they weaponized.

Speaker 2 (02:40:24):
They're never independent.

Speaker 1 (02:40:25):
It's not anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:40:26):
They haven't been independent for a long time. I don't think. Yeah,
so it's an I think it's a nice concept. Sure,
but ultimately that's their boss and they have to have
the air that they're not involved. But yeah, I can.
Here's the thing. The reform movement will be transient and

(02:40:47):
will temporary and will ultimately fail and we will continue
to have this corrupt cabal over the West if they
don't do this last part of the reform movement.

Speaker 1 (02:40:58):
So okay, so let's let's say he's our doing the
bingo card, right, and let's start. You know, we start
seeing JA six fall on there, we look at the
Twitter files start falling, We see the Patriot Act and
the spying on America, the Snowdon files. I mean, we
can go on and not not like that's a conversation
I want to have with you next time, Snowden, because
that's I want to get your perspective. I think we're
diametrically opposed on probably I guarantee we are. But but

(02:41:20):
but but interestingly enough is that I always bring both
sides of the argument, and I can see both sides,
but that's a whole nother one. How how are they
going to let him? How do you imagine that he
is going to survive this if he if he starts
doing these things and his bingo card starts getting punched,

(02:41:42):
and he has.

Speaker 2 (02:41:44):
To do two things, there's only two ways he's out. Yeah,
he's got to go hulk mode and go on attack
with these attorneys and start going after their crime.

Speaker 1 (02:41:52):
Yeah, the US attorneys that you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (02:41:54):
Okay, that's gonna that's going to move the public support
in his favor and away from question him into be
in support. The public wants to see this done. The
second part of those other vaults, he needs to use
his executive power to raid all those other vaults. I'm
talking to spy agencies. He needs to break them apart

(02:42:14):
if they resist him. He needs to fire up to
three layers down of management leadership.

Speaker 1 (02:42:19):
I got Kennedy killed, brother, Well.

Speaker 2 (02:42:21):
What's worse getting killed or having your whole legacy destroyed,
your reform fail, and your country continue on in subjugation.

Speaker 1 (02:42:30):
Is there anyone else who's going to fill his role
and do that, Who's going to carry on his legacy?
Do you think jad Vance will or do you think
jd Vance will be like the fuck that part of
my French?

Speaker 2 (02:42:39):
I don't know. I mean jd Vance is very in debt. Well,
he's a great guy. I like. I think he's a
great speaker, he's talented, he's he's a great guy.

Speaker 1 (02:42:49):
But he has these.

Speaker 2 (02:42:50):
These very suspicious connections to the Techola garchs. Ye, and
I don't none.

Speaker 1 (02:42:54):
Of us trust the Techo la guard. No, we shouldn't
because a lot of them are globalists. And he's supposedly
just met with Murdoch two days before this dropped on
Wall Street.

Speaker 2 (02:43:02):
Join now the globalist So so I mean, this is
this is the thing that this is the same establishment
that we're trying to So there's question marks there. I
think he's a great guy. I don't. I don't, you know,
there's still the jury still out there on certain aspects
of his background. But I know, when thing's for sure,

(02:43:25):
the populist uprising always produces champions and leaders always, and
so another champion will emerge for sure, for certain, you know.
But I still think if Trump goes hook mode, goes
on the attack, uses his prosecutorial power, that's like excalibur.
Not using your prosecutorial prosecutorial power as the president is

(02:43:51):
like a cop who's not using his gun for a
knight or King Arthur. That's not using excalibur. I mean,
it's going into battle without drawing your sword. They're going
to battle against him. He now has all the most
powerful weaponry, but he's not going to go fight back.
It's a it's it's a suicide mission, you know position.

(02:44:12):
I guess so, So that's that's the thing. And he's
got to raise these other vaults where the rest of
the evidence is not just this one tainted vault that
everyone's fixed on. That's not the only place the evidence exists.

Speaker 1 (02:44:23):
Walk, Let's do Snowden real quick. Let's do five minutes
on Stone. Okay, what's your position on Snowden?

Speaker 2 (02:44:30):
Here, Slah, you think trader treason?

Speaker 1 (02:44:34):
Oh? I think I think you can be boths. I
think the Founding Fathers were considered traders, but we're heroes.
I think it depends upon what lens we're looking at through.
Are we looking it through as an American or a
brit I made a sacred vow to protect this country
from all enemies, foreign and domestic, and I worked intelligence,
and I got to see things that I would never reveal. Yeah, However,

(02:44:57):
it's one of those things. It's kind of like where
does silence end or where does sound end and silence begin?
That middle portion where they're both the same thing but
different pre Snowden Trader post Snowden Hearing, because the things
that were released needed to be released. I think it's
not a complete accident that he chose a communist country

(02:45:20):
to be able to go to and run from. And
I also believe the highest bidder thought process is also
something else. I think he did it for financial advantage,
and I also believe that he did it to hurt
the United States. Neither here nor there motives aside the

(02:45:41):
absolute atrocities that took place when I was in and
the programs that we used to spy on Americans and
completely infringe upon the civil rights and the right to
privacy were unbelievably troubling. What they did with Obama and
the patriot in Bush was criminal to a point of treason,

(02:46:06):
against their oath for the Constitution the United States, the
American citizen. So let me not just talk out of
both sides of my mouth. I believe what he did
was treason is and it broke his oath, and he
violated every single rule in the intelligence community that I
respect and uphold till this day. And that means that
the honor in the entire event is tainted because of

(02:46:27):
the way he did it. He could have whistled blown.
What would have happened. We know what would have happened
to him, But there is a process that wasn't followed,
and I believe the way he did it was not
the way that I would have done it. But I
do also know that what he did was extremely necessary
to cripple, at least in a temporary way, the trust

(02:46:48):
and belief that the United States people, in a very
immature way endowed upon our government as being trustworthy, because
it's not, and throughout history we know they're not. So
that's it. There's my spiel.

Speaker 2 (02:47:01):
What about the people surveilling and recording all of the communications,
the cell phone calls and email and all this of
all the Erica public domestically, which is illegal and against
the constitution.

Speaker 1 (02:47:12):
What about those guys, But well, it's not because they
hit under the Patriot Act, which essentially if you said
the word all lah bomb or you had any relation
or delineation to anybody who was committing anything. They could
play six degrees of separation to justify it. I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (02:47:28):
It's that one layer, that's one, that's one else.

Speaker 1 (02:47:31):
It's complete crap. I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (02:47:35):
I think we need to end uh and we need
to out end and then permanently restrict the government's ability
to surveil the people of the United States. I think
it's against the unlawful search and seizure.

Speaker 1 (02:47:53):
Oh yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (02:47:54):
And the British military being able to put soldiers up
in your house and.

Speaker 1 (02:47:59):
Ordering in troops and three I know with so.

Speaker 2 (02:48:01):
So this protects us from such behavior on the in
conduct of the government, and I think it's unconstitutional, and
I think this is something that's got to come up.
I think we need to deal with the government crime first. Yeah,
well right, because you're just yea mean it's once say
good a time. Yeah, spaghetti at the wall. But this
is a huge threat because now with that, you don't
need to run Epstein operations anymore. You've got all the

(02:48:24):
BLACKMAILI you need on anybody you want. It's unlimited blackmails
what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:48:27):
And not only with the collection of information, but where
you have the ability to imprint any narrative you want
on it. Well you can, Oh, I'm planning to download
porn on somebody's computer or financial records. I know, man, listen,
I'm with you. I will say for the collective good
Snowden was right. For the collective good. But you have

(02:48:50):
to understand is that I'm a principled man. No, I
get it, so I have to be also see it
from that side. That's all. That's all.

Speaker 2 (02:49:00):
I think. It's like this. If you're serving in whatever
capacity and they want to you to do something illegal,
I understand there's a process.

Speaker 1 (02:49:11):
It's okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:49:12):
Or if they want you to then help them violate
the Constitution, I know there's a process for that too. However,
if you're fearful for your life by doing this, and
you think that the official processes is so corrupt you're
in great, grave danger to your life and being sure
by following those processes, then I think it's reasonable to

(02:49:32):
take the extraordinary measures that he took.

Speaker 1 (02:49:35):
I would agree with that if the matriculation process wasn't
so farking slow in the intelligence apparatus. It's not like
he just came out of the farm and they're like,
here you go, here's the keys. He gradually moved into
this position, and he got his teeth wet on smaller,
ancillary type impacts that should have forewarned him of what

(02:49:59):
he was getting in too. With every keyword access, with
every TSCI read in, it gets more and more dangerous,
and you're skirting the lines of illegal activity. It's not
like he just was thrown into it. It's my point. Yeah,
And you graduate through the process and you get to
see more and more, and then you start to see at.

Speaker 2 (02:50:20):
One point, at what point you become a criminal collaborator.

Speaker 1 (02:50:27):
When it comes well, hold on a second, now, Now
this is interesting. This is a great point. It's a
great con This is the conversation I love to have
as a co conspirator simply because of involvement. Is what
you're saying. Yeah, the moment, the moment you put your
hand up and swear your life away to the Department
of Defense or Department of Justice.

Speaker 2 (02:50:48):
But don't you swear to the constitution.

Speaker 1 (02:50:50):
You swear to protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign
and domestic. And unfortunately you don't get to decide who
that is. That's done by somebody else. So by just
by simple involvement, you're a co conspirace. I mean, if
we're talking from a fundamental level, it's just your with
a moment you join that organization, you are guilty by association.

(02:51:11):
I think there's still the.

Speaker 2 (02:51:13):
Constitution is the supreme law, and it overrides any regulation
or policy of the sub organization. And then the moral
law of the conscience is the Constitution is based on that,
So that's the real supreme law. And if if they
ask you to break the constitution or break the moral law,

(02:51:35):
just like when if the Nazis asked you to go
and fire an AK forty seven and a line of
Jews over a hole in the ground, then then you're
making a moral dilemma.

Speaker 1 (02:51:46):
Choice Ak's Russia and Chinese whatever. Stop it. You're not nigger. Yeah,
I agree with you. I agree with you wholeheartedly everything
you're saying. I think we're just coming from two different
sides and coming to the same spot. I don't believe
that there is ever a reason to to justify breaking

(02:52:19):
the oath to the Constitution of the United States period.

Speaker 2 (02:52:22):
I agree, but I think by them asking you to
surveil Americans without a warrant. They're asking you to break
the constitution.

Speaker 1 (02:52:34):
Yeah, but this is where the Patriot Act stops at.
And this is my point with a Patriot Act is
that these are illegal, in my opinion, illegal pieces of
legislation which are antithetical to the Constitution of the United States.
And this is where the corruption happens, is that they
have made it not against the constitution, because do you.

Speaker 2 (02:52:54):
Really believe they're only collecting the communications of international communications
no words are present.

Speaker 1 (02:53:00):
I don't think so, because it's it's not because that's
not what the Patriot ch states. The Patriot ACH states
is that they can do multiple lines of delineation from
their original source target through human electronic signal intelligence. However,
it is based upon any association with targets that have
been approved with a viable warrant. So here's an example.

(02:53:21):
You are, you have absolutely nothing to do with organized
crime or world terrorism, or domestic terrorism or anything else.
However I do, and I'm your third cousin. Now, the
moment that that is discovered and the warrant is issued
on me, the Patriot ACH covers you too, and anyone
you associate with. And this is where the problem lied.

(02:53:44):
See it's not that Snowden was like, I have a
problem with doing things that are legal against the American public.
He exposed what was happening and finally said I've had enough. Yeah.
When he originally came in, he was all about it.
I mean, he lusted for more knowledge, like most guys
in Intel are. They want more information they collected, they're

(02:54:07):
purveyors of information. And he got to a point where
he couldn't he couldn't take a shower to get clean,
and I know what that feels like, and a lot
of Intel guys do. So once again, I am not
a proponent of the Patriot Act. I am not a
proponent of the Intelligence Act. I am not a proponent
of spying out Americans in any way, shape or form.

(02:54:29):
But you have to understand also that there's an oath
that we took, and as an intelligence professional, it's kind
of the credo of what we do, and we skirt
the lines of what is legal and illegal all the time.
It doesn't make it right, it doesn't make it right.
But I will tell you that there are things that
we have uncovered, and there has been plots that we

(02:54:51):
have uncovered that without that we wouldn't have found out.
Does that make it right? I don't think so. But
I think the result ultimately is that we've had done
a lot of good and a whole lot of bad
in the intel committees. And here's the other thing, the
intelligence community. I'm not defending. It has been an abysmal
failure since Pearl Harbor, and it has failed on multiple facets.

(02:55:16):
It failed on the housing market crash, it failed on
nine to eleven in Oklahoma City. You can go to
every single major event that we've seen and in the
intelligence community has failed us, even from school shooters who
had FBI investigations and open cases and they were still
let loose. So I guess my point being is that
you can look at it through multiple lenses. It is illegal.

(02:55:40):
I understand why Snowden did it. I think that the
way that he did do it, there are some questions
about if it was advantageous to him financially, and the
justification of why he did it. I would not use
the word hero, but that's just me.

Speaker 2 (02:55:56):
It just to me. It's like they always sell us
a bill of goods. We have to have this world
war so that there was.

Speaker 1 (02:56:01):
Never a war ever Again, Yeah, that's bullshit. We need
to We need.

Speaker 2 (02:56:05):
A central bank in the United States to control all
of our money and interest rates so that we'll never
have a boom bust or a depression again when they
then come in and create it. We need to have
secret police and spy agencies permanently. You know, before it
was just during wartime, it was illegal to have that
in the United States any other time, and then Truman

(02:56:27):
made it legal and created it. So we've got to
have secret police guys or else what the commies are
going to get us. I don't know what the sales
pitch was that back then.

Speaker 1 (02:56:36):
It was it was wild Bill Donovan and the Office
of Strategic Services to go ahead and have an international
spy agency like everyone else.

Speaker 2 (02:56:43):
So now we've got blackmail rings, child trafficking, drug trafficking,
and oh they're surveilling everybody. Great.

Speaker 1 (02:56:52):
Yeah, listen, there's a reason why I left the intelligence community,
you know. And it wasn't because I went home every
day and said, geez, it's awesome to be meh. But
I think it's also important to understand the level of
intelligence that I was in.

Speaker 2 (02:57:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:57:05):
Sure, it is a little bit different than what we're
talking about. I think most rank and file.

Speaker 2 (02:57:10):
Intelligence agents are there to serve the country. Sure, they're
there to protect and serve right and defend the homeland. Sure,
I'm not questioning that at all. But I think the
leadership at a lot of these agencies is thoroughly corrupt.
And I think the number one thing the Obama administration
did was get our core radical sixties leftists into the leadership.

Speaker 1 (02:57:33):
Oh god, yah, of all these day taper Yes, I mean,
look at Struck and Paige. No. No, And this is
where we're back to completely agreeing. I just it's interesting.
Maybe sometime we can have you Leroy and I talk
about Snowden, and I think we all come to the
same conclusion what he did needed to take place, And
unfortunately it didn't change the damn thing because all of

(02:57:53):
those processes are still in.

Speaker 2 (02:57:54):
Place, which is shocking, which needs to be addressed. I
think eventually it needs to if we can get through.

Speaker 1 (02:58:00):
Put that on the brings, slet out us a bingo.
Put that at the end. Put that on six.

Speaker 2 (02:58:04):
It's on their stooneent files right there.

Speaker 1 (02:58:05):
Where's that? Not all the Stone files. But when you
talk about the Patriot Act repeal, the Patriot oh repeal,
that for sure, let's get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (02:58:11):
Right, there's a few acts I'd like to repeal.

Speaker 1 (02:58:13):
Oh, there's there are certainly a few acts. Tell everyone
how they get your book, how they find you. We
did this earlier, but let's do it again. We're going
to wrap up here in the next fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:58:21):
Yeah, it's the.

Speaker 1 (02:58:21):
Woke mind viruses.

Speaker 2 (02:58:23):
And they can get the print book or kindle on Amazon,
and they can find the audiobook that just launched on
Audible or Apple Books.

Speaker 1 (02:58:32):
GS. Why are disagreements important, Well.

Speaker 2 (02:58:38):
That's the whole experiment of self government is about working
through the situation and coming to the right conclusion through conversations.
And so this's the dialogue, and the dialogue is at
the center of the political process of freedom and Republican goverment.

(02:59:01):
And that's why freedom of speech is the number one
enumerated right in the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (02:59:07):
Can you imagine if there was something that reinstated and
installed value and honor back into our society. You told
me something that just absolutely shocked me. Out of forty
five different shows, we were the only one who read
your book. How can you sit across from a human

(02:59:28):
being who you haven't at least tried to understand and
have an informative conversation. And this is why your book
is so important to me. I believe it's the resetta
stone or the crib key into understanding the psyche of people.
And this is what we talked about. You can't control people,
You can't change somebody. Nobody has the power to change anyone.

(02:59:49):
That has to come from internal reflection. But when you're
talking about the psyche or the soul or the spiritual
side of somebody, you get a glimpse of both in
somebody's works, whether it be a podcast or a painting
or a song or your book. Yeah. So if people
read your book, what are they going to learn about you?

Speaker 2 (03:00:08):
I think that the that I value our country, I
value our way of life, I value our children, and
that the most important things to me, and I think
the most important things to our country, our way of
life in our future are constitutionalism, capitalism, and Christianity. And

(03:00:29):
these are Western values that need to be defended at
all costs and preserved the next generation or we're going
to end up in a situation that we're not going
to like very much.

Speaker 1 (03:00:39):
Yeah, are we there already?

Speaker 2 (03:00:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:00:42):
I don't think we're there yet, how is what is
the catalyst? I mean, the final point is you've talked
about the various steps in the phases. What's the catalyst?
What is going to make this either sink or swim?
What's our titanic moment is this? Is this the build
failure or is this going to be where we make
it to harbor and kind of load.

Speaker 2 (03:01:00):
Well, typically it's a massive it's a massive election one
party into power that then is so corrupt they've finished
the job of completely corrupting the systems of government and
the elections, creating then a one party state or virtually
one party state. That's typically how the leftists fully come

(03:01:23):
into power. It's also typically inspired by or coincided with
a massive crisis. Prices can look like different things. It
could be a huge pandemic worse than what we saw
in COVID. It could be it could be attack or
giant attack, giant war. It could be a massive economic collapse.

(03:01:47):
It could be a massive technology failure like a cyber
attack or an MP that wipes out our grid, sends
us back fifty years. And you know techn you know
as far as electronics and modern convenience communications. So it
can look like different things. But there is a catalyzing

(03:02:07):
moment when you bring in the full revolution, and you know,
America is the leader of the West. We freedom was
born here, and then it spread to these other countries.
You know, there's depending on the count there's one hundred
ninety to two hundred and ten countries in the world,
right and they say, you know, one hundred and nineteen
hundred and twenty of them have roughly some semblance of

(03:02:27):
constitutional governments really mainly like sixty years.

Speaker 1 (03:02:30):
So sure that actually fall in. China has a constitution,
by the way, and they have a freedom of speech
clause in the constitution. I'm sure they Hey, they don't
follow it.

Speaker 2 (03:02:39):
They're they're big.

Speaker 1 (03:02:40):
Human rights are oh huge. I mean the figure on
you just as the Wakers they.

Speaker 2 (03:02:43):
Know, yeah, yeah, the living proof.

Speaker 1 (03:02:46):
So sure, the Tibetans agree, so the uh so, that's
how can come and so they weaken you and demoralize you.

Speaker 2 (03:02:55):
And we've been going through eighty years of demoralization.

Speaker 1 (03:02:58):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:02:58):
And demoralization is done through the media, of the education
system and the arts. And it looks like two different things.
On the left, the demoralized is mainly just total indoctrination.
This totally indoctrinate. They can't perceive a different reality than
the talking points of their ideology. That's how they're demoralized.
But on the right, it has the opposite effect. On

(03:03:20):
the right, it convinces us that there is no hope.
It's feudile. Just give up, live your life, don't participate,
don't get evolved, right, it's not worth it, just give up.
And like these guys are giving up on marriage and families,
and these women that are just giving up on ever
having a husband, ever having kids. You know, it's just
give up, right, that's the demoralization effect on the other

(03:03:41):
opposite side. And we can't. You got to fight that.
You have to resist that. We must participate, you know.
And that's that's why I felt compel. My wife kept
telling me you got to do something, either do a
vlog or do something, or write a book. And finally,
when you know what pushed me over the line was
when she was became pregnant with our first kid. I've
got to I've got to use what I know. I've

(03:04:01):
got to use this. Sure, we've got to do something
with it. Right, are there risks associated with that?

Speaker 1 (03:04:05):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (03:04:05):
It's risky. Yeah, these people play for keeps. These are
rough people.

Speaker 1 (03:04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:04:09):
But if, like I said before, if a certain number
of number of men and women know the right thing
don't stand up and do something about it to preserve
our way of life, then we're for We we essentially
forfeit it.

Speaker 1 (03:04:20):
Yeah, so it's worth it. I want I want the
listeners to know that that TSU came out here, flew
from his his uh his home state of Florida on
a on a finger, was written a check or you know,
promised luxury and a BMW came out on his own dime,
and he's gonna have one hell of a dinner paid

(03:04:42):
for by me. But and and to to simply speak
with us and not interested in necessarily selling a ton
of books or anything else. But I want to say
thank you man. I consider you a friend and I've
I've spent enough time next to you to understand the
quality of your character.

Speaker 2 (03:04:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (03:04:58):
I know we probably agree in about nine eight percent
of the things in life, and that two percent is
where we should spend our most time. Because you learn
about people, you learn about their idiosyncrencies and their nuance,
and we don't spend enough time doing that with people.
So I want to say thank you so much for
being on the show. Thank you for coming to my home.

Speaker 2 (03:05:14):
Thank you for having me. You have a beautiful studio here.
Congratulations on the new studio.

Speaker 1 (03:05:18):
Yeah, man, you had a huge part. You were part
of the show. Thank you so much. Brother. We will
see at Ts Dix at TS.

Speaker 2 (03:05:24):
Give them the website again, it's TS Dixon dot com.
And I promise I'm eventually going to start using social media,
so in a few weeks you might be able to
find me at the real Ts Dixon on some of
these platforms.

Speaker 1 (03:05:35):
Let's get that done and we'll make sure that we
share some stuff. I want you to have a chance
to come back. I want you to meet Demani Felder.
I want you to meet some of the people who
we've built relationships with. Go and buy the audiobook. Go
and buy the digital copy. I bought the kindle today
because because I wanted to have it digitally, and you
can also pick up the book on Amazon. You can
also pick it up in The Dumb Show if you

(03:05:55):
want to go to the dumbshow dot com. Thanks for
staying with us. We're going to have him back at
seven o'clock. Tonight, six o'clock tonight. Actually I'll be there
show up until nine. He's leaving at seven. So thank
you to yes and appreciate you being here today on
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