August 15, 2025 • 42 mins
Get ready for a deliciously informative episode of The Dusty Muffins as Dr. Aoife O’Sullivan (MD, MSCP), Dr. Christine Hart Kress (DNP, MSCP), and Dr. Rebbecca Hertel (DO, MSCP) sit down with Dr. Jenny Han, PharmD, and Dr. Adrienne Bitar, PhD—the brilliant co-founders of SEEN Nutrition—to chew on the truth about bone health!
In this episode, you’ll discover:
🍬 Why SEEN’s calcium chews are a game-changer—made from 100% real food, no synthetics, no junk!
🦴 The personal stories that sparked SEEN—from Jenny’s rare postpartum osteoporosis to Adrienne’s family battles with bone loss.
🤝 The power of unlikely partnerships—how a pharmacist + food scholar teamed up to revolutionize the supplement aisle.
🔬 The science behind food-first supplements—why most calcium pills and gummies just don’t cut it.
💪 How SEEN ensures quality—the rigorous steps they take to create a supplement that’s more like a superfood than a drug.
Packed with expert insights, heartfelt stories, and the Muffins’ signature humor, this episode will make you rethink everything you know about calcium—and maybe even crave a chew!
The Dusty Muffins:
✨ Dr. Aoife O’Sullivan → @portlandmenopausedoc
✨ Dr. Rebbecca Hertel → @drrebbeccaherteldo
✨ Dr. Christine Hart Kress → @christinehartkress_dnp📸 Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/thedustymuffins 🔗 Linktree → https://linktr.ee/thedustymuffins
Guest – Seen Nutrician:🌙 Instagram → @thecalciumqueens🌐 Website → https://www.seennutrition.com
(Disclaimer: The Dusty Muffins are doctors, but they’re not YOUR doctors. Always consult your healthcare provider for personalized advice.)
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-dusty-muffins--6539849/support.
In this episode, you’ll discover:
🍬 Why SEEN’s calcium chews are a game-changer—made from 100% real food, no synthetics, no junk!
🦴 The personal stories that sparked SEEN—from Jenny’s rare postpartum osteoporosis to Adrienne’s family battles with bone loss.
🤝 The power of unlikely partnerships—how a pharmacist + food scholar teamed up to revolutionize the supplement aisle.
🔬 The science behind food-first supplements—why most calcium pills and gummies just don’t cut it.
💪 How SEEN ensures quality—the rigorous steps they take to create a supplement that’s more like a superfood than a drug.
Packed with expert insights, heartfelt stories, and the Muffins’ signature humor, this episode will make you rethink everything you know about calcium—and maybe even crave a chew!
The Dusty Muffins:
✨ Dr. Aoife O’Sullivan → @portlandmenopausedoc
✨ Dr. Rebbecca Hertel → @drrebbeccaherteldo
✨ Dr. Christine Hart Kress → @christinehartkress_dnp📸 Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/thedustymuffins 🔗 Linktree → https://linktr.ee/thedustymuffins
Guest – Seen Nutrician:🌙 Instagram → @thecalciumqueens🌐 Website → https://www.seennutrition.com
(Disclaimer: The Dusty Muffins are doctors, but they’re not YOUR doctors. Always consult your healthcare provider for personalized advice.)
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-dusty-muffins--6539849/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Dusty Muffins, where menopause meets sisterhood and strength.
We're three menopause specialists coming together to laugh, share, and
empower you through the wild ride of menopause and perimenopause.
Whether you're curious, confused, or just looking for real talk,
you're in the right place. We're here to answer your
burning questions, educate, and advocate all with a dash of
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humor and a lot of heart. So pull up your
chair and join the conversation. Before we dive in, Please remember,
while we're doctors, we're not your doctors. This podcast is
for educational purposes only, and it's not a substitute for
medical advice. We encourage you to partner with your own
medical clinician to address your unique health needs. This is
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the Dusty Muffins.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am a doctor Rerecca Hurdle.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm a Board certified osteopathic family medicine physician and a
Menopause Society Certified practitioner. I have your private tele medicine
practice and I see patients in several different states.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I am doctor Ifa O'Sullivan, a Board certified family physician
and Menopause Society Certified practitioner. And I see patients through
my telemedicine practice here in Oregon and Washington.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm doctor Christine Harcrass, a Board certified Women's Health nurse
practitioner and menopause certified practitioner, and I see patients via
telemedicine in several states as well.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Welcome back to the dusty Muffins. Today, we're digging into
a topic that affects every single woman in midlife, bone health,
and trust us, it's way more interesting than just take
your cancium.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Joining us are two powerhouse founders. Doctor Jennifer han Farmdi
is a dual residency trained, Board certified clinical pharmacist. She
is a co founder and co CEO of Sea Nutrition,
of food tech startup focused on bone health for women.
After diagnosis of osteoporosis in twenty twenty, she is now
on a mission to revolutionize a calcium supplement industry by
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using only food, real food calcium to improve bone health.
Adrian Bitar, PhD is a lecturer in food studies at
Cornell University and the author of Diet and the Disease
of Civilization. Also the co founder and co CEO of
Scene Nutrition. Adrian is committed to bone health education and
believes deeply in the food first approach to nutrition and health.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Together, they co founded Scene Nutrition, a game changing food
first company focused on improving women's bone health with real
food based calcium. Let's get into it, hi, ladies, thanks
so much.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Christine cursed us. Christine cursed us, girls. She said, I
hope I don't say fast food instead of food first,
and that to Rebecca's head, fast food.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Because I didn't catch that.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
I said.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
I was like, no, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You didn't say it, but I was saying, that's a
lot of like double left words.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, listen, good.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Thing we didn't double left some other things in there.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
There's still time. There's still there is.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
We have a whole hour ago.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Welcome, ladies, welcome, thank you, thank you so much for
having us. I mean, we are all we are like
all fans of the three of you because you provide
expertise to menopause and midlife, but you also do it
in such an approachable way as humans, and that's what
really drew me to you. And so we're excited to
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get on this call and just talk about us and
see nutrition or calcium two whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We're pretty big fans of you all as well, I
recommend so tell.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Us, Yeah, I think we're all the same. Tell us
how you two met and what kind of inspired you
to create your new company scene.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Yeah, so we actually met at the park because we
both have young children. They're toddlers, and so we met
at the park here in Ithaca, New York, where we live,
and we were friends for a pretty long time, like
a year before we started to dig into like what
we do professionally. Before our conversations were all about like, Okay,
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what do you do for bedtime? What do you feed
your four year old? You know, but we started to
talk about like what we do professionally, and then we
found this really unique intersection between adrians specialty in food
and diet history and my specialty in pharmacotherapy and supplementation.
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And then we started to dig a little deeper into
our physical health as well, and I shared that I
was diagnosed with a rare form of ostrooporosis after I
had my daughter broke my back and everything in Adrian's
family also has a history of ostroporosis and fractures, and
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so we kind of started to think, like, why isn't
there anything better for the forty million American women who
have low bone density. When it comes to calcium supplementation,
we know that calcium is so critical for bone health
in addition to a whole host of other things. But
why is it that when a woman goes to CBS
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or target wherever, they can only find calcium carbonate, which
is synthetic, very very very cheap calcium that doesn't absorb
well and it's just unpleasant to take. So then we thought, okay, well,
let's like let's kind of experiment and see what we
can do in this space.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
And so yea, yeah, it was a long journey, but yeah,
we start out just as mom friends.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Like we found out we had a lot in common.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
We're both living in Ithaca because of Cornell, but from
the Bay Area. And then there was I think there
was a Eureka moment when our families were inside eating tacos,
we had Margarita's and we were on the port. We're like,
there's just too much chaos inside, Like let's actually talk,
and so we like went outside on the port or
let our husband's deal with us streaming, and we were like, wait,
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you're a pharmacist.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I do food studies. We see a problem.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
Yeah, we have no business experience, but we're gonna sort
that out. And there was just this like aha moment,
being like hey, like if not us, then who Like we.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Were uniquely positioned to do something.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
We recognized our own value and we're like, you know,
we have something to bring to the world, Like we're
not quite sure how the path will take us there,
but like, I think both of us have a lot
of confidence in one another, Like if I can't figure
it out, Jenny noes answer, and like that sense of
like we can do this together as a team has
propelled us to like to creating a product we're super
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proud of and we think has you know, a real
enormous potential to would not think we know, and the
proof is in the pudding is already changing people's life.
So we're proud of where we've come from, from the
park and from our Margerita's on the porch.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
That's funny because I like we were of that period
too where that happened, and then we started just like
ordering so much different spho, different ingredients, different food. We
were in the test kitchen for eighteen months here at
Cornell and now we're two years out.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Wow, so Jenny, I get a question because ostar puris
is at twenty nine, right, that's pretty rare. So it
kind of floors me a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Did did anybody like.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Were there any warning signs? Was there any like lab work,
like your calcium was low, your vitamin D was low?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I mean, anything.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Besides I mean, we know family history is the number
one risk factor, but you know, was there anything along
the way, because I know there's going to be patients going,
oh my god, twenty nine because you know, we're surprised
when we see perimenopausal women come out the gate with osteoporosis.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
M I wish there was warning signs that I knew
about when I was growing up and going through it.
But honestly, no, you know, like I thought I was
an otherwise healthy person. I was in the healthcare space,
so you know, I was like exercising mildly, you know,
eating good food and things. But I absolutely had no
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idea that I had low bone density until I fractured
my back two months postpartum. And then that's when we
started to dig in, well why are you twenty nine
and why did you break your back? And so then
that's when we found Yeah, I did have low vitamin D,
but most of us do. I mean I was living
in California, but my vitamin D was seventeen when we
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checked it, so it was like egregiously low. And then
when we dug a little further, we as in me
and my endocrinologist. She highlighted certain things that are kind
of like red flags for a woman, and one of
them was that I fractured my arm when I was
about ten years old. She's like, fracture fracturing long bones
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as a child is rare, and it could indicate that
you have low bone density early on. And then I
also actually had a previous back fracture when I was
about sixteen years old from snowboarding. They and that was
just choked up to, oh, you were snowboarding, that's why
you broke your back. But she's like, even then, that's
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really rare. So how can I imagine like.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The bigger bone snowboarding rather than you know.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Yeah exactly. So she's like, those are those are risk factors?
And then we dug into my diet too, and she's like, Okay,
you're lactose intolerant. You didn't eat a lot of dairy
growing up. You probably never reached peak bone masks, and
that's why when you were pregnant and postpartum and breastfeeding,
it was it was just stucking out all the calcium
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from your bones, and so that's why you probably fractured in.
But yeah, those are all red flags that I wish
I knew when I was growing up.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I our history of being an athlete, right or even
on birth control pills things like that as a young
young female athlete.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, it's interesting how many women I see who have
a history of a femur fracture. And I'm like, did
anybody do bundensity study on you? Like they'll have it
like in their thirties or forties, and they don't. And
then of course coming out the gate, they have osteoporosis.
And then I've also been just noticing women with really
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low serum calcium, and so I've been looking at their
bone density studies and kind of looking at, you know,
where their calcium is, where they're bondensities. I'm usually focused
mostly on d and now I've been really locked in
with calcium, and so if I see a low calcium,
I'm like, okay, if you don't get it in your diet,
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then you better go get the scene supplement because I.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Don't like synthetic.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I'm like, that's like my kind of pathway is those
you know, I see a calcium below nine point four,
I'm like, un calcium you're not getting in your diet?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yeah, or like why why is it low for someone
that's you know, perimenopausal? Right? Yeah, those are I'm so
glad that there's kind of a renewed focus on calcium,
especially for women that are thirty forty going into menopause,
because it's so important to build up your bone density
before you hit menopause and have that decrease in bone density.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
M yep, And I think go ahead, sorry always say
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I think there's also this a greater amount of the
population that is staying away from you know, dairy products
for whatever reasons, and we're really not honing in, you know,
whether it be pediatricians or family medicine physicians honing in
on those children and young adults of Okay, where are
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we getting other calcium, whether it be through diet or whatnot.
If you're not drinking milk and you're not you know,
getting other forms of dairy and or enough vitamin D.
Definitely up here in New York, Pennsylvania, It's not unusual
for me to D levels at five.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I mean, they just all do. Oh my gosh, yeah, yep.
And so I'm a big, big proponent of that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And even you know, Colorado they get like three hundred
and sixty two days of sunshine, so you think they're
vitamin D levels and no, they're I mean, I can
count on ninety percent of my patients having TANK levels,
and you know with vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think too.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
The other thing people don't realize is in order to
absorb calcium, need vitamin D, and order absorb vitamin D,
you need vitamin K two. So if you're only doing
one of the three things, you're likely to have, you know,
a bone problem as you lose more estrogen and can't
laid bone faster rate than what you are absorbing it.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So I think women a lot of them don't know
that if you're in a state where you're not ovulating
and you're not getting those waves of estrogen every month.
So for some women, they have back to back babies,
and some of them breastfeed for many many years. Or
you know, when you're on a progesterone only birth control
form of birth control. We think for most women that
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doesn't stop ovulation, but for some women it does. And
you know, when you're in a state like that where
you're not ovulating women who have a very low BMI,
that that really puts you at risk. You know, you're
losing bone density without that estrogen and it is recoverable,
but women don't know it, right.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, we're not told that. When we go into our
college health that are being looking for birth control, they're like, okay,
what do you want.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
You know, or they'll put you on the.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right the low dose because they think it's less sight
of and then you know, I don't even know that
there's you know a lot of practitioners who really know
the difference between lodos and high dose and the age
of which you should use lodos birth control pills versus
your you know, your regular dosing birth control pills and
how that affects bone density.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Especially since everybody wants to obliterate periods and you need
to be on a low dose to cycle back back.
So yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So so Adrian, you bring a pretty unique perspective from
the academic and culture side of food. So what dodrew
you to focus on bone health and how it influenced
your decision to positions. Seeing calcium choose as a food product,
I thought, that's just a really cool concept and so
but not a dietary supplement.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So yes, it's such a good question.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
It's something that we thought about really carefully when we
were first doing R and D. So we worked with
the many reps versus available to us at Cornell, including
a pilot plant. So it's really advantageous to be a
food product. And also, I mean we are a food
like it's not.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
It wasn't just a strategic decision.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
It's just intrinsic to the properties of both our mission
and the products themselves. Like it's cow, there's calories, there's protein,
there's fiber, there's of course minerals, Like it's a food
product just like any other food product. But also, as
someone who has worked in food studies for a long time,
I'm acutely aware of the nuances of the regulatory landscape
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in the United States, and it's a very it's like
one of the greatest ironies. If you want to be political,
you could say it's hypocrisy, But our dietary supplements are
not as well regulated as our food products. They're not
subject to the same GMP, the good manufacturing practices, they're
not subject to the same stringency of recalls. They're not
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tested as thoroughly. The burden of proof is on the nufacturer.
The burden of proof is on the manufacturer of the product, right,
so the fox is guarding the henhouse, like, who on
earth is gonna be like, oh, actually my product is unsafe.
Of course you're a vested interest you That's why you
need third party bodies. So I mean, of course we
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knew that we were going to test thoroughly. We do
even go above and beyond the food product testing requirements,
but we wanted to be subject to the same requirements
that any food product has, and that the burden of
proof about safety and efficacy is not on the manufacturer
but rather on the third party.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Agency which regulates us.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
So we are a food product from the very beginning
to the end. So that means that the FDA inspects
our facilities. The FDA regulates our nutrition fax panel, which
is something that the dietary supplement fax panel is not regulated.
So that's why you'll see, like for example, in the
bottle of gummies, Like one gummy can have wildly more
of whatever nutrient that they're proposing, they're promising is in
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the gummy then another in the same bottle. The cumulative
dose might be roughly in line with the promises on
the back of the bottle, but individual dosing.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Is just wildly off. So we have and.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
I can show you so we actually run nutrition Facts
which is FDA regulated and inspected, and then are all
of our facilities are subject to like good manufacturing practices.
So we're really proud that we're a food product.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
And like we are a food product like that.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
I mean our degreens are dates and milk and milk
protein and mushrooms. So I am happy to be like
firmly in the food space and like also bringing attention
to this issue that dietary supplements are for a whole
host of political reasons not as well regulated as our food. Yeah,
which is an irony if you're being kind, and a
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hypocrisy if you're being in factual.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Does that for for.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
People who have dairy sensitivity our allergy? How is that
is that a concern for them?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (18:07):
So we use real dairy.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
We have done some r and d for a vegan
source of calcium, but it's actually very difficult to find
and the research just isn't there to back it up.
So for another whole host of political reasons, because of
the way the geography are of our country and the
way our House of Representatives is structured, there's been a
lot of interest in dairy research the start of nutrition history.
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So right here on our campus there was the College
of Home Economics. Now they changed it to the College
of Human Ecology, and around the sixties when that became
a sort of feminist move but the College of Home
Economics hosted the Department of Domestic Science, which was around
the turn of the century a really important route for
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women to become medical providers, to become nutritionists, to have
entry into the like for example, of food and drug administration,
and dairy has always been a really important part of
that research agenda.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
So for one hundred and.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Fifty years really, since the birth of serious nutrition science,
dairy has been well studied. So that's why we feel
very confident using milk minerals as the best source of
calcium because we know like forward and backwards, how the
minerals from milk is absorbed into your body better so
than any other more less well studied source.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
How did you narrow it down to four ingredients? I
can't believe you were in the test kitchen for eighteen months.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
That was the formal test bitchen. But if you're including
like our homes, probably we still have like a whole
seam cupboard of all these different ingredients, so it like
seaweed blends or like all of these things. Because we
were just like, how do we get something with minimal
ingredients like you were saying with up so that we
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don't have to use preservatives as it is, fillers anything,
so we can provide like a true clean label product
to our customers. And so we just narrowed it down,
like how do we get five hundred milligrams of dietary
calcium perchew with minimizing everything else? And then we found
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also our vitamin D mushrooms those are excellent sources of
vitamin D. And so that's how we use only real
food ingredients for our calcium too, And we're like, don't
do don't mess with anything else, Like fiber people can
get elsewhere, you know, everything else they can get elsewhere.
Let's focus on dietary calcium.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Keep it simple type of thing. And I'll tell everybody
who hates mushrooms, which would be myself, they're very good.
I taste no mushroom in there.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
I taste like to me, they taste.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like like like bread, like date bread.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, date bread.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I would agree with that. The date is the most forward. Yes,
the most forward. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And and somewhere along the line, maybe it's not social media.
Someone said it tastes best with coffee. So that's what
they tell everybody with your morning.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
That's how I eat it, like I eat it and
where I heard it. Yeah, I eat it between breakfast
and lunch because it's like you get kind of hungry
between breakfast and lunch, and I'm like, it's very.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
It's very dense.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I I would agree with you because sometimes after, you know,
if I have it in the morning and before I
eat anything, I'm like, I'm not really hungry, or you know,
after a meal, I'm like, well, I'm really full. It's
very dense, if that's the right word. Like when you
eat that, Yeah, it's satisfying that have like you know,
they provokes a tiety for fewer calories, and I think
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it's because our mineral.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
This is pure speculation, but it's like just a taste
of little treat, but it also feels like it fills
your stomach and you have a feeling.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
For me, I have a feeling. Its tiny.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, that's why some eat it for like dessert, for places,
ice cream, you know, in a little cacolet, like a
little chocolate drisel. Feeling like really so fun ways to
eat the two, Like you could put some peanut butter
on there, which you've been doing.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I never thought about those little things like that. That's
a great because I'm usually like run around. I'm like
a better potma chew and you know, go along. But
good Just to keep it like even in you know,
when I meal prep for the day. Maybe just keep
it as part of my meal prep and it's in
my lunch box and I you know, dip it in
a little nut butter or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's a great idea.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
I feel like now you've created a monster because none
of this ever occurred to me. And now I'm having
visions of fon doing my calcium in chocolates.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And then I'm thinking, oh, I wonder you know, because
people have a hard time, like planning out some of
their supplements. I'm like, I wonder if that could count
as a healthy fat with the progesterone at night?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
But nothing big, right, so work because you don't want
to be full before you go to bed.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And that's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
What makes what makes it so different from the one
that you would pick up in the pharmacy, you know,
the calcium carbonate or I'd even told my patients in
the past, you know, oh, just take two tombs that
type of thing a few times a week. What makes
the calcium too different to that?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
That's a really good question. So the main difference is
that those obviously have synthetic calcium, so calcium carbonate, calcium citry,
calcium lat tate, any of those that have calcium and
then like a salt attached to it is synthetic calcium.
So that's the main difference, is that that's synthetic calcium
made from a lab or eat either mine, from a
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rock that's calcium carbonate's literally like chalk or from limestone.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Oh yes, and then on a dry wall, so you.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Calcium, yeah, exactly, that's calcium carbonate, synthetic calcium. And though
like when you're going to the pharmacy. It's providing calcium
that synthetic calcium in silo. Some of these are formulated
with vitamin D for example, or maybe they'll have vitamin
K nowadays, but most of these are providing calcium in
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silo are because we use food and the minerals from milk.
It's providing calcium with all the other minerals that are
needed for bone house. So it has calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, zinc, copper,
iron in the ratios that are actually found in bone.
And we didn't artificially say okay, we need this percentage
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of magnesium and this percentage of zinc. It's naturally found
that way in milk, which is another reason why milk
is such a great source of calcium for bone health,
because of the other minerals that are found in milk.
So that's the main difference. That's why we also call
it the calcium too complete, because we know that bones
need more than calcium. We need protein, we need collagen,
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we need these other minerals that you were saying, Christine,
vitamin D, vitamin K, and so it's providing those in
the ratios that are best for calcium absorption and then
utilization into the bone.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
And do we know that our bodies deal with it
any differently? Like, are we less likely to get you know,
as some people are prone to calcium and kidney stones
things like that, Do we know that our bodies deal
without any differently?
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Yeah, There's been a lot of studies actually looking at
specifically calcium carbonate and then dietary calcium and how does
it act in the body, How long does it stay
in our serum? How fast does it get removed? And
it's fascinating because they had the participants take calcium carbonate
and what they found is that the serum levels go
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up really quickly for calcium, and then they stay high
for much longer than someone eating the same amount of
dietary calcium. It goes up and then the body process
it really really quickly. And so that's why the risks
of possible risks of cardiovascular disease or accumulation in soft
tissues is not found with dietary calcium and may be
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seen with synthetic calcium, specifically calcium carbonate. And then also
the National Kidney Foundation, the misconception with calcium oxalate kidney
stones is that people think, oh, I had a kidney stone,
I need to eat less calcium, But it's actually the opposite,
because eating dietary calcium will bind to the oxalates so
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that you don't form the calcium oxalate kidney stones down
the line. So we've been saying you need to increase
your dietary calcium so that it'll bind to the oxalates. Yes,
you should probably decrease your oxylates a little bit, or
maybe your synthetic calcium, but dietary calcium is actually a
protective factor.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Very interesting because I have some patients that, yeah, the
female patients, I worry about their bone density as there
you know, imperimenopause and menopause because of kinney stones. And
they're like nothing, you know, they drink lemonade and and
to help with that and lemons and all of that,
you know, to prevent stone formation. But I worry about
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their bone density. And so that's a great point. I
never understood that.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So it's always good to listen to other clinicians in
the way they explain things, because then you're like, oh, yeah,
I learned that somewhere along the line, but I've forgotten
about that completely.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
A little bit.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
It does.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, are there any myths or misunderstanding about diet and
bone health that you're hoping to debunks?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Give us your top one.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
You've pointed to some earlier Rebecca, that.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
You know, there's been long standing.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Trends in American diet, Western diet, and that some of
them actually have these unintended consequences. So, for example, the
United States, we don't mandate the fortification of wheat with
calcium like they do, for example, in other countries.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
In the UK.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
So they've done population dietary studies in the UK in
the United States, and they found that actually it's a
pretty sizable contribution to the consumption of calcium in the UK,
it's like thirty percent or so. But in the US
some of the unintended consequences of people pursuing a healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
So think about it.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
It's so like, let's say you have a low BMI,
you exercise all the time, you avoid processed foods, and
you avoid dairy.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
So what are you losing there? You're avoiding dairy.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Which is the best, like clearly the best source of diety.
Terry calcium diet the runner up, which we you know,
which we it's not best, but for for some people
in some situations, fortified foods can be great. Where do
you find fortified foods fortified with calcium? Kind of like
ultra processed food that's your lucky charms, your cheerios, like
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this is not this is not food. You get a
whole foods necessarily some forms of rice. So if you're
voiding dairy, you're voarding ultra processed foods and you have
a low BM, those are actually kind of risk factors
for having low calcium in your diet and developing low
bone density. So it's it's it's a it's a funny contradiction,
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but those are some myths that I would like to
see busted. It's like, well, dairy, actually think if you're
concerned about dairy, like think carefully, what are you concerned about?
If it's inflammation, Like let's look at the let's look
at the studies here, Like maybe it's the fat content
you're concerned about, or maybe it's the type of dairy
you're consuming, or maybe it's consuming in smaller surveys throughout
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the day that might help. So those are those would
be that would be one myth that I would identify.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
M h m hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
There's so many nutritionists that believe that calcium, you know,
dairy and leiminated freight phrase that dairy is inflammatory and
that you should eliminate it for weight loss. But I haven't,
you know, I was, you know, looking through the studies
and it really doesn't show that dairy causes inflammation, don't you.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Very popular, very popular these days, especially with the rise
of functional medicine, and which I fully support. I receive
functional medicine training as well. And the first thing that
we do in the elimination diet is eliminate dairy. But
if we really break down why we do that, it's
it's primarily because of the fat and then also because
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of the some of the proteins found in milk, specifically casein.
So if you if you do that first step off
the elimination diet and then you find that your body
is less bloated and you feel good, then we dive
into well why is that the case And a lot
of times it's because of the fat content. Actually I
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found that more because of the fat content versus the casin.
But I think there's like nuance there that gets lost
in the trend. So it's like the trend is like,
let's eliminate dairy because it's inflammatory, but there's little pieces
of that that causes the inflammation, But overall, dairy can
still be a really important food group that you should
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keep in your diet, but in a different way. So
like the milk minerals in our calcium two, we take
milk and remove all of the fat, nearly all of
the lactose that we say it's and then we have
one gram of protein from the milk in there. So
that's why we're saying, like maybe if you're dairy intolerant
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and it's from the fat content, you can still eat
and be okay.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
It's kind of an all or nothing approach that I've
seen in a lot of diet trends over you know,
throw out all your carbs, throwout all your embrace all
the protein like it's and for dairy especially, it's.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
And I think it's important to bring more nuance into
this before eliminating a whole food group wholesale without understanding
the possible benefits that you're losing or making a switch,
and many speaking of another myth like they'm like, well,
I drink my almond milk, I drink my oat milk,
and like, yes, it has calcium, but that calcium is
not intrinsic to the properties of that the almond milk
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or the oat milk itself. It's fortified with synthetic calcium,
usually calcium carbonate, And while that might be like an
affordable and accessible form of calcium for many people, it
doesn't have that same benefits, proven reliable benefits that dietary
calcium brings to your bones. So I really try to
caution people, like, well, look at that ingredient label. If
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it's almond milk with like five hundred milligrams of calcium,
that's calcium carbonate, And there's other concerns, like you have
to worry about it settling into the liquid. So when
they say shake that bottle, like, really do shake the
bottle because.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
You don't want to be getting all of it.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
You know, it's sediments at the bottom unless it's properly suspended.
So from a food science perspective, it's very important to
read the ingredient label and treat the product that you're
consuming with the sort of the nuance that it deserves.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
How about Greek yogurt may.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, when they eliminated because of protein, because it's easy
for protein.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah, protein dairy.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I'm like, that's what my kids get their calcium from.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I've been I've been wanting to do it instagram real
about this for like the past year, and I haven't
gotten around to it because I feel that there's different
sources of calcium depending on the different types of Greek
yogurt that you consume. So and I was shocked by this.
I didn't I had no idea. It's like I thought,
all Greek yogurt has the same amount of calcium, but no,
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it like differs between brand. Even within brands, it differs
between flavor or the type of milk that they use.
And so I wanted to I want to do an
Instagram really like showing like popular brands and how the
calcium content.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
That's a great idea because for for us that you
know that work with midlife women and we're always telling
them a great Greek yogurt is a great way to
get your protein, and we want to make sure that
we're giving them the one that has the best calcium
in it too.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
So yeah, I'm a fan of that real.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, we would like to answer.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
We'd like to answer, and I may also would like
to have it for myself.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Let's be real, so you both use the phrase food
first that we have difficulties saying in a sentence here
in your messaging, what does that philosophy look like in
the long run for scene.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, that's a good question. We dream big, Adrian and
I do. We started with our calcium too, but what
we would like to see is a full line of
supplements that are only made from food. So taking that
food first approach for bone health. There's too much on
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the market right now with synthetic calcium, like we talked
about synthetic other vitamins things, So we want to use
high quality food to support women's bone health. That's what
we want to do. We have some things in line
hopefully for the fall for the winner, to make this
line possible. But yeah, it's a lot of work too,
(35:45):
and we're juggling with it all right now.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
But I think really paying attention to the language of
a supplement is helpful.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Like, we know that the average American woman.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
Gets eight hundred and fifty milligrams of calcium from her
diet alone, So why on earth if you go to
your CBS or your Walgreens and you look at the
bottles backs of the bottles of calcium choice, it's saying
to take like four pills equally twelve hundred milligrams.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Unless you are on a liquid.
Speaker 8 (36:14):
Diet with no calcium, you're not. That's completely unnecessary. So
the idea of just using just as much as we
know from population dietary consumption data, which is which is
an inexact science, but I mean as a rule of
plum it's good and just making up the difference, like
supplementing your diet.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
No more. We don't need to push calcium carbonate or
any of these vitamins or minerals as if people walk
through life without eating us or anything throughout their day.
Totally unnecessary, potentially harmful. And it's like, well, you know,
you have to understand the supplement as like it's just
enough to take you to where you need to be
no more.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
And I think that's a very cautious, gentle approach that
if you're trying to push product, it's not making you mench.
So I think that's where we understand our food first
approach to supplements like you said, Christine, like, it's just enough,
it's all food, no.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Reason to go overborne.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I think since I got to Ireland, I've been on
a mainly liquid diet with.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
So maybe I'll do the twelve.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Pictures You've seen your Facebook pages.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Oh that was fantastic. I love that.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
It's been messy. It's been messy, but fun.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
It sounds fun to me. Yeah, I think that was
like I get asked a lot too as the pharmacist,
like oh, oh, what multi item do you recommend? Or
like what supplement is best? How do you know? There's
so many out there? And that's one of the red
flags that I tell people is that if you turn
the label over and if any of those percentages are
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above one hundred percent the RDA, then that's a red
flag for me because then that means that that company,
that brand is not taking the food first approach and
wanting you to think that you're getting more for your
money because it's over one hundred percent when you really
don't need now. So if there's like and it's crazy,
some of these brands have like one thousand percent RDA
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and it's like, why you don't need that? You can
get it from your food. And so that's one other thing.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
We're definitely you know, it's drummed into us. You know,
bigger is better and is better. So that wouldn't even
have occurred to me to think like that. So that's
a great tip.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And now with women trying to solve a you know
a lot of women who don't want hormone therapy, which
is absolutely fine, but what they're trying to do is
use supplements, you know, the natural way to make themselves
feel better. And you know, I've said this before, it
makes me cringe when they when they show up, you know,
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with their bin of supplements, and then you know, you
start actually looking at their vitamins and minerals and you're like,
you don't need that, you don't need that, you don't
need that. And then you see, you know, some variations
in their you know, blood counts or their metabolic panels,
and it's like, all right, we got to start coming
off of this. And so I think women really do
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need to test their their vitamins and minerals and not guess.
And just because a company has a lineup of supplements,
it doesn't mean you need all of them. And if
they're combined, you may not need all of the things
in that supplement, and you know it just I find
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women are spending an enormous amount of money on supplements
and you know, tinctures and potions, and I'm like, you
don't need all.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
That, right, And yeah, well that's what they call it now, right,
the lifestyle medicine approaches food. That's why I love I
love this product because really, you know, we're encouraging women
to to have a great plate of greens and colors
along with their you know, their whatever protein and you
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know the best way to get all of that is
from really good nutritious food.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And so you know it's I like that part too.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Mm hmmm. Yeah. They they have the phrase the polypharmacy
of menopause for a reason. Ye right, And I get it. Okay,
during this time or whatever time, if you're in a
desperate state, you'll take anything to feel better. But like
you said, Christine, what happens is that you get supplements
stacking and so maybe you're getting magnesium here, but then
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also from your three other supplements because brands like to
combine everything and I get that, but it just you
just have to be even more cautious when you're when
you're taking more than one to actually see and so
and talk to your doctors. I let your doctors know
that you're on all these talents because then they will
help you decipher what's needed and what's not and you
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can save a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Well, oh my gosh, thank you guys so much for
sharing your stories. You're science. You're an incredible mission. You're
helping women reclaim their strength and literally from the inside out.
Where can our listeners find Scene?
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Yeah? Good, so we are on.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
We have our a website which is www dot Scene
Nutrition to s E E N Nutrition.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
This is a double n uh. We name the company to.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Help women and all of their life stages feel Scene
supported strong.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
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Welcome to the Dusty Muffins, where menopause meets sisterhood and strength.
We're three menopause specialists coming together to laugh, share, and
empower you through the wild ride of menopause and perimenopause.
Whether you're curious, confused, or just looking for real talk,
you're in the right place. We're here to answer your
burning questions, educate, and advocate all with a dash of
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humor and a lot of heart. So pull up your
chair and join the conversation. Before we dive in, Please remember,
while we're doctors, we're not your doctors. This podcast is
for educational purposes only, and it's not a substitute for
medical advice. We encourage you to partner with your own
medical clinician to address your unique health needs. This is
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the Dusty Muffins.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am a doctor Rerecca Hurdle.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm a Board certified osteopathic family medicine physician and a
Menopause Society Certified practitioner. I have your private tele medicine
practice and I see patients in several different states.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
I am doctor Ifa O'Sullivan, a Board certified family physician
and Menopause Society Certified practitioner. And I see patients through
my telemedicine practice here in Oregon and Washington.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm doctor Christine Harcrass, a Board certified Women's Health nurse
practitioner and menopause certified practitioner, and I see patients via
telemedicine in several states as well.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Welcome back to the dusty Muffins. Today, we're digging into
a topic that affects every single woman in midlife, bone health,
and trust us, it's way more interesting than just take
your cancium.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Joining us are two powerhouse founders. Doctor Jennifer han Farmdi
is a dual residency trained, Board certified clinical pharmacist. She
is a co founder and co CEO of Sea Nutrition,
of food tech startup focused on bone health for women.
After diagnosis of osteoporosis in twenty twenty, she is now
on a mission to revolutionize a calcium supplement industry by
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using only food, real food calcium to improve bone health.
Adrian Bitar, PhD is a lecturer in food studies at
Cornell University and the author of Diet and the Disease
of Civilization. Also the co founder and co CEO of
Scene Nutrition. Adrian is committed to bone health education and
believes deeply in the food first approach to nutrition and health.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Together, they co founded Scene Nutrition, a game changing food
first company focused on improving women's bone health with real
food based calcium. Let's get into it, hi, ladies, thanks
so much.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Christine cursed us. Christine cursed us, girls. She said, I
hope I don't say fast food instead of food first,
and that to Rebecca's head, fast food.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
Because I didn't catch that.
Speaker 7 (02:52):
I said.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
I was like, no, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
You didn't say it, but I was saying, that's a
lot of like double left words.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, listen, good.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Thing we didn't double left some other things in there.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
There's still time. There's still there is.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
We have a whole hour ago.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Welcome, ladies, welcome, thank you, thank you so much for
having us. I mean, we are all we are like
all fans of the three of you because you provide
expertise to menopause and midlife, but you also do it
in such an approachable way as humans, and that's what
really drew me to you. And so we're excited to
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get on this call and just talk about us and
see nutrition or calcium two whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
We're pretty big fans of you all as well, I
recommend so tell.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Us, Yeah, I think we're all the same. Tell us
how you two met and what kind of inspired you
to create your new company scene.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Yeah, so we actually met at the park because we
both have young children. They're toddlers, and so we met
at the park here in Ithaca, New York, where we live,
and we were friends for a pretty long time, like
a year before we started to dig into like what
we do professionally. Before our conversations were all about like, Okay,
(04:17):
what do you do for bedtime? What do you feed
your four year old? You know, but we started to
talk about like what we do professionally, and then we
found this really unique intersection between adrians specialty in food
and diet history and my specialty in pharmacotherapy and supplementation.
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And then we started to dig a little deeper into
our physical health as well, and I shared that I
was diagnosed with a rare form of ostrooporosis after I
had my daughter broke my back and everything in Adrian's
family also has a history of ostroporosis and fractures, and
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so we kind of started to think, like, why isn't
there anything better for the forty million American women who
have low bone density. When it comes to calcium supplementation,
we know that calcium is so critical for bone health
in addition to a whole host of other things. But
why is it that when a woman goes to CBS
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or target wherever, they can only find calcium carbonate, which
is synthetic, very very very cheap calcium that doesn't absorb
well and it's just unpleasant to take. So then we thought, okay, well,
let's like let's kind of experiment and see what we
can do in this space.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
And so yea, yeah, it was a long journey, but yeah,
we start out just as mom friends.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Like we found out we had a lot in common.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
We're both living in Ithaca because of Cornell, but from
the Bay Area. And then there was I think there
was a Eureka moment when our families were inside eating tacos,
we had Margarita's and we were on the port. We're like,
there's just too much chaos inside, Like let's actually talk,
and so we like went outside on the port or
let our husband's deal with us streaming, and we were like, wait,
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you're a pharmacist.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I do food studies. We see a problem.
Speaker 8 (06:15):
Yeah, we have no business experience, but we're gonna sort
that out. And there was just this like aha moment,
being like hey, like if not us, then who Like we.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Were uniquely positioned to do something.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
We recognized our own value and we're like, you know,
we have something to bring to the world, Like we're
not quite sure how the path will take us there,
but like, I think both of us have a lot
of confidence in one another, Like if I can't figure
it out, Jenny noes answer, and like that sense of
like we can do this together as a team has
propelled us to like to creating a product we're super
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proud of and we think has you know, a real
enormous potential to would not think we know, and the
proof is in the pudding is already changing people's life.
So we're proud of where we've come from, from the
park and from our Margerita's on the porch.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
That's funny because I like we were of that period
too where that happened, and then we started just like
ordering so much different spho, different ingredients, different food. We
were in the test kitchen for eighteen months here at
Cornell and now we're two years out.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Wow, so Jenny, I get a question because ostar puris
is at twenty nine, right, that's pretty rare. So it
kind of floors me a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Did did anybody like.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Were there any warning signs? Was there any like lab work,
like your calcium was low, your vitamin D was low?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I mean, anything.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Besides I mean, we know family history is the number
one risk factor, but you know, was there anything along
the way, because I know there's going to be patients going,
oh my god, twenty nine because you know, we're surprised
when we see perimenopausal women come out the gate with osteoporosis.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
M I wish there was warning signs that I knew
about when I was growing up and going through it.
But honestly, no, you know, like I thought I was
an otherwise healthy person. I was in the healthcare space,
so you know, I was like exercising mildly, you know,
eating good food and things. But I absolutely had no
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idea that I had low bone density until I fractured
my back two months postpartum. And then that's when we
started to dig in, well why are you twenty nine
and why did you break your back? And so then
that's when we found Yeah, I did have low vitamin D,
but most of us do. I mean I was living
in California, but my vitamin D was seventeen when we
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checked it, so it was like egregiously low. And then
when we dug a little further, we as in me
and my endocrinologist. She highlighted certain things that are kind
of like red flags for a woman, and one of
them was that I fractured my arm when I was
about ten years old. She's like, fracture fracturing long bones
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as a child is rare, and it could indicate that
you have low bone density early on. And then I
also actually had a previous back fracture when I was
about sixteen years old from snowboarding. They and that was
just choked up to, oh, you were snowboarding, that's why
you broke your back. But she's like, even then, that's
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really rare. So how can I imagine like.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The bigger bone snowboarding rather than you know.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Yeah exactly. So she's like, those are those are risk factors?
And then we dug into my diet too, and she's like, Okay,
you're lactose intolerant. You didn't eat a lot of dairy
growing up. You probably never reached peak bone masks, and
that's why when you were pregnant and postpartum and breastfeeding,
it was it was just stucking out all the calcium
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from your bones, and so that's why you probably fractured in.
But yeah, those are all red flags that I wish
I knew when I was growing up.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I our history of being an athlete, right or even
on birth control pills things like that as a young
young female athlete.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, it's interesting how many women I see who have
a history of a femur fracture. And I'm like, did
anybody do bundensity study on you? Like they'll have it
like in their thirties or forties, and they don't. And
then of course coming out the gate, they have osteoporosis.
And then I've also been just noticing women with really
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low serum calcium, and so I've been looking at their
bone density studies and kind of looking at, you know,
where their calcium is, where they're bondensities. I'm usually focused
mostly on d and now I've been really locked in
with calcium, and so if I see a low calcium,
I'm like, okay, if you don't get it in your diet,
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then you better go get the scene supplement because I.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
Don't like synthetic.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I'm like, that's like my kind of pathway is those
you know, I see a calcium below nine point four,
I'm like, un calcium you're not getting in your diet?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
Yeah, or like why why is it low for someone
that's you know, perimenopausal? Right? Yeah, those are I'm so
glad that there's kind of a renewed focus on calcium,
especially for women that are thirty forty going into menopause,
because it's so important to build up your bone density
before you hit menopause and have that decrease in bone density.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
M yep, And I think go ahead, sorry always say
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I think there's also this a greater amount of the
population that is staying away from you know, dairy products
for whatever reasons, and we're really not honing in, you know,
whether it be pediatricians or family medicine physicians honing in
on those children and young adults of Okay, where are
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we getting other calcium, whether it be through diet or whatnot.
If you're not drinking milk and you're not you know,
getting other forms of dairy and or enough vitamin D.
Definitely up here in New York, Pennsylvania, It's not unusual
for me to D levels at five.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I mean, they just all do. Oh my gosh, yeah, yep.
And so I'm a big, big proponent of that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
And even you know, Colorado they get like three hundred
and sixty two days of sunshine, so you think they're
vitamin D levels and no, they're I mean, I can
count on ninety percent of my patients having TANK levels,
and you know with vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think too.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
The other thing people don't realize is in order to
absorb calcium, need vitamin D, and order absorb vitamin D,
you need vitamin K two. So if you're only doing
one of the three things, you're likely to have, you know,
a bone problem as you lose more estrogen and can't
laid bone faster rate than what you are absorbing it.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So I think women a lot of them don't know
that if you're in a state where you're not ovulating
and you're not getting those waves of estrogen every month.
So for some women, they have back to back babies,
and some of them breastfeed for many many years. Or
you know, when you're on a progesterone only birth control
form of birth control. We think for most women that
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doesn't stop ovulation, but for some women it does. And
you know, when you're in a state like that where
you're not ovulating women who have a very low BMI,
that that really puts you at risk. You know, you're
losing bone density without that estrogen and it is recoverable,
but women don't know it, right.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, we're not told that. When we go into our
college health that are being looking for birth control, they're like, okay,
what do you want.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
You know, or they'll put you on the.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Right the low dose because they think it's less sight
of and then you know, I don't even know that
there's you know a lot of practitioners who really know
the difference between lodos and high dose and the age
of which you should use lodos birth control pills versus
your you know, your regular dosing birth control pills and
how that affects bone density.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Especially since everybody wants to obliterate periods and you need
to be on a low dose to cycle back back.
So yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
So so Adrian, you bring a pretty unique perspective from
the academic and culture side of food. So what dodrew
you to focus on bone health and how it influenced
your decision to positions. Seeing calcium choose as a food product,
I thought, that's just a really cool concept and so
but not a dietary supplement.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
So yes, it's such a good question.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
It's something that we thought about really carefully when we
were first doing R and D. So we worked with
the many reps versus available to us at Cornell, including
a pilot plant. So it's really advantageous to be a
food product. And also, I mean we are a food
like it's not.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
It wasn't just a strategic decision.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
It's just intrinsic to the properties of both our mission
and the products themselves. Like it's cow, there's calories, there's protein,
there's fiber, there's of course minerals, Like it's a food
product just like any other food product. But also, as
someone who has worked in food studies for a long time,
I'm acutely aware of the nuances of the regulatory landscape
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in the United States, and it's a very it's like
one of the greatest ironies. If you want to be political,
you could say it's hypocrisy, But our dietary supplements are
not as well regulated as our food products. They're not
subject to the same GMP, the good manufacturing practices, they're
not subject to the same stringency of recalls. They're not
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tested as thoroughly. The burden of proof is on the nufacturer.
The burden of proof is on the manufacturer of the product, right,
so the fox is guarding the henhouse, like, who on
earth is gonna be like, oh, actually my product is unsafe.
Of course you're a vested interest you That's why you
need third party bodies. So I mean, of course we
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knew that we were going to test thoroughly. We do
even go above and beyond the food product testing requirements,
but we wanted to be subject to the same requirements
that any food product has, and that the burden of
proof about safety and efficacy is not on the manufacturer
but rather on the third party.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Agency which regulates us.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
So we are a food product from the very beginning
to the end. So that means that the FDA inspects
our facilities. The FDA regulates our nutrition fax panel, which
is something that the dietary supplement fax panel is not regulated.
So that's why you'll see, like for example, in the
bottle of gummies, Like one gummy can have wildly more
of whatever nutrient that they're proposing, they're promising is in
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the gummy then another in the same bottle. The cumulative
dose might be roughly in line with the promises on
the back of the bottle, but individual dosing.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Is just wildly off. So we have and.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
I can show you so we actually run nutrition Facts
which is FDA regulated and inspected, and then are all
of our facilities are subject to like good manufacturing practices.
So we're really proud that we're a food product.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
And like we are a food product like that.
Speaker 8 (17:30):
I mean our degreens are dates and milk and milk
protein and mushrooms. So I am happy to be like
firmly in the food space and like also bringing attention
to this issue that dietary supplements are for a whole
host of political reasons not as well regulated as our food. Yeah,
which is an irony if you're being kind, and a
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hypocrisy if you're being in factual.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
Does that for for.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
People who have dairy sensitivity our allergy? How is that
is that a concern for them?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Is it?
Speaker 7 (18:07):
So we use real dairy.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
We have done some r and d for a vegan
source of calcium, but it's actually very difficult to find
and the research just isn't there to back it up.
So for another whole host of political reasons, because of
the way the geography are of our country and the
way our House of Representatives is structured, there's been a
lot of interest in dairy research the start of nutrition history.
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So right here on our campus there was the College
of Home Economics. Now they changed it to the College
of Human Ecology, and around the sixties when that became
a sort of feminist move but the College of Home
Economics hosted the Department of Domestic Science, which was around
the turn of the century a really important route for
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women to become medical providers, to become nutritionists, to have
entry into the like for example, of food and drug administration,
and dairy has always been a really important part of
that research agenda.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
So for one hundred and.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Fifty years really, since the birth of serious nutrition science,
dairy has been well studied. So that's why we feel
very confident using milk minerals as the best source of
calcium because we know like forward and backwards, how the
minerals from milk is absorbed into your body better so
than any other more less well studied source.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
How did you narrow it down to four ingredients? I
can't believe you were in the test kitchen for eighteen months.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
That was the formal test bitchen. But if you're including
like our homes, probably we still have like a whole
seam cupboard of all these different ingredients, so it like
seaweed blends or like all of these things. Because we
were just like, how do we get something with minimal
ingredients like you were saying with up so that we
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don't have to use preservatives as it is, fillers anything,
so we can provide like a true clean label product
to our customers. And so we just narrowed it down,
like how do we get five hundred milligrams of dietary
calcium perchew with minimizing everything else? And then we found
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also our vitamin D mushrooms those are excellent sources of
vitamin D. And so that's how we use only real
food ingredients for our calcium too, And we're like, don't
do don't mess with anything else, Like fiber people can
get elsewhere, you know, everything else they can get elsewhere.
Let's focus on dietary calcium.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Keep it simple type of thing. And I'll tell everybody
who hates mushrooms, which would be myself, they're very good.
I taste no mushroom in there.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
I taste like to me, they taste.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Like like like bread, like date bread.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, date bread.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I would agree with that. The date is the most forward. Yes,
the most forward. Yep, I agree.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And and somewhere along the line, maybe it's not social media.
Someone said it tastes best with coffee. So that's what
they tell everybody with your morning.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
That's how I eat it, like I eat it and
where I heard it. Yeah, I eat it between breakfast
and lunch because it's like you get kind of hungry
between breakfast and lunch, and I'm like, it's very.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
It's very dense.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I I would agree with you because sometimes after, you know,
if I have it in the morning and before I
eat anything, I'm like, I'm not really hungry, or you know,
after a meal, I'm like, well, I'm really full. It's
very dense, if that's the right word. Like when you
eat that, Yeah, it's satisfying that have like you know,
they provokes a tiety for fewer calories, and I think
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it's because our mineral.
Speaker 7 (21:55):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
This is pure speculation, but it's like just a taste
of little treat, but it also feels like it fills
your stomach and you have a feeling.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
For me, I have a feeling. Its tiny.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Yeah, that's why some eat it for like dessert, for places,
ice cream, you know, in a little cacolet, like a
little chocolate drisel. Feeling like really so fun ways to
eat the two, Like you could put some peanut butter
on there, which you've been doing.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I never thought about those little things like that. That's
a great because I'm usually like run around. I'm like
a better potma chew and you know, go along. But
good Just to keep it like even in you know,
when I meal prep for the day. Maybe just keep
it as part of my meal prep and it's in
my lunch box and I you know, dip it in
a little nut butter or whatever.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's a great idea.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
I feel like now you've created a monster because none
of this ever occurred to me. And now I'm having
visions of fon doing my calcium in chocolates.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
And then I'm thinking, oh, I wonder you know, because
people have a hard time, like planning out some of
their supplements. I'm like, I wonder if that could count
as a healthy fat with the progesterone at night?
Speaker 3 (23:12):
But nothing big, right, so work because you don't want
to be full before you go to bed.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And that's a great idea.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
What makes what makes it so different from the one
that you would pick up in the pharmacy, you know,
the calcium carbonate or I'd even told my patients in
the past, you know, oh, just take two tombs that
type of thing a few times a week. What makes
the calcium too different to that?
Speaker 6 (23:35):
That's a really good question. So the main difference is
that those obviously have synthetic calcium, so calcium carbonate, calcium citry,
calcium lat tate, any of those that have calcium and
then like a salt attached to it is synthetic calcium.
So that's the main difference, is that that's synthetic calcium
made from a lab or eat either mine, from a
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rock that's calcium carbonate's literally like chalk or from limestone.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Oh yes, and then on a dry wall, so you.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Calcium, yeah, exactly, that's calcium carbonate, synthetic calcium. And though
like when you're going to the pharmacy. It's providing calcium
that synthetic calcium in silo. Some of these are formulated
with vitamin D for example, or maybe they'll have vitamin
K nowadays, but most of these are providing calcium in
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silo are because we use food and the minerals from milk.
It's providing calcium with all the other minerals that are
needed for bone house. So it has calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, zinc, copper,
iron in the ratios that are actually found in bone.
And we didn't artificially say okay, we need this percentage
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of magnesium and this percentage of zinc. It's naturally found
that way in milk, which is another reason why milk
is such a great source of calcium for bone health,
because of the other minerals that are found in milk.
So that's the main difference. That's why we also call
it the calcium too complete, because we know that bones
need more than calcium. We need protein, we need collagen,
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we need these other minerals that you were saying, Christine,
vitamin D, vitamin K, and so it's providing those in
the ratios that are best for calcium absorption and then
utilization into the bone.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
And do we know that our bodies deal with it
any differently? Like, are we less likely to get you know,
as some people are prone to calcium and kidney stones
things like that, Do we know that our bodies deal
without any differently?
Speaker 7 (25:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Yeah, There's been a lot of studies actually looking at
specifically calcium carbonate and then dietary calcium and how does
it act in the body, How long does it stay
in our serum? How fast does it get removed? And
it's fascinating because they had the participants take calcium carbonate
and what they found is that the serum levels go
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up really quickly for calcium, and then they stay high
for much longer than someone eating the same amount of
dietary calcium. It goes up and then the body process
it really really quickly. And so that's why the risks
of possible risks of cardiovascular disease or accumulation in soft
tissues is not found with dietary calcium and may be
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seen with synthetic calcium, specifically calcium carbonate. And then also
the National Kidney Foundation, the misconception with calcium oxalate kidney
stones is that people think, oh, I had a kidney stone,
I need to eat less calcium, But it's actually the opposite,
because eating dietary calcium will bind to the oxalates so
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that you don't form the calcium oxalate kidney stones down
the line. So we've been saying you need to increase
your dietary calcium so that it'll bind to the oxalates. Yes,
you should probably decrease your oxylates a little bit, or
maybe your synthetic calcium, but dietary calcium is actually a
protective factor.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Very interesting because I have some patients that, yeah, the
female patients, I worry about their bone density as there
you know, imperimenopause and menopause because of kinney stones. And
they're like nothing, you know, they drink lemonade and and
to help with that and lemons and all of that,
you know, to prevent stone formation. But I worry about
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their bone density. And so that's a great point. I
never understood that.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So it's always good to listen to other clinicians in
the way they explain things, because then you're like, oh, yeah,
I learned that somewhere along the line, but I've forgotten
about that completely.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
A little bit.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
It does.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, are there any myths or misunderstanding about diet and
bone health that you're hoping to debunks?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Give us your top one.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
You've pointed to some earlier Rebecca, that.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
You know, there's been long standing.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Trends in American diet, Western diet, and that some of
them actually have these unintended consequences. So, for example, the
United States, we don't mandate the fortification of wheat with
calcium like they do, for example, in other countries.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
In the UK.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
So they've done population dietary studies in the UK in
the United States, and they found that actually it's a
pretty sizable contribution to the consumption of calcium in the UK,
it's like thirty percent or so. But in the US
some of the unintended consequences of people pursuing a healthy lifestyle.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
So think about it.
Speaker 8 (28:43):
It's so like, let's say you have a low BMI,
you exercise all the time, you avoid processed foods, and
you avoid dairy.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
So what are you losing there? You're avoiding dairy.
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Which is the best, like clearly the best source of diety.
Terry calcium diet the runner up, which we you know,
which we it's not best, but for for some people
in some situations, fortified foods can be great. Where do
you find fortified foods fortified with calcium? Kind of like
ultra processed food that's your lucky charms, your cheerios, like
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this is not this is not food. You get a
whole foods necessarily some forms of rice. So if you're
voiding dairy, you're voarding ultra processed foods and you have
a low BM, those are actually kind of risk factors
for having low calcium in your diet and developing low
bone density. So it's it's it's a it's a funny contradiction,
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but those are some myths that I would like to
see busted. It's like, well, dairy, actually think if you're
concerned about dairy, like think carefully, what are you concerned about?
If it's inflammation, Like let's look at the let's look
at the studies here, Like maybe it's the fat content
you're concerned about, or maybe it's the type of dairy
you're consuming, or maybe it's consuming in smaller surveys throughout
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the day that might help. So those are those would
be that would be one myth that I would identify.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
M h m hmm.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
There's so many nutritionists that believe that calcium, you know,
dairy and leiminated freight phrase that dairy is inflammatory and
that you should eliminate it for weight loss. But I haven't,
you know, I was, you know, looking through the studies
and it really doesn't show that dairy causes inflammation, don't you.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Very popular, very popular these days, especially with the rise
of functional medicine, and which I fully support. I receive
functional medicine training as well. And the first thing that
we do in the elimination diet is eliminate dairy. But
if we really break down why we do that, it's
it's primarily because of the fat and then also because
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of the some of the proteins found in milk, specifically casein.
So if you if you do that first step off
the elimination diet and then you find that your body
is less bloated and you feel good, then we dive
into well why is that the case And a lot
of times it's because of the fat content. Actually I
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found that more because of the fat content versus the casin.
But I think there's like nuance there that gets lost
in the trend. So it's like the trend is like,
let's eliminate dairy because it's inflammatory, but there's little pieces
of that that causes the inflammation, But overall, dairy can
still be a really important food group that you should
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keep in your diet, but in a different way. So
like the milk minerals in our calcium two, we take
milk and remove all of the fat, nearly all of
the lactose that we say it's and then we have
one gram of protein from the milk in there. So
that's why we're saying, like maybe if you're dairy intolerant
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and it's from the fat content, you can still eat
and be okay.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
It's kind of an all or nothing approach that I've
seen in a lot of diet trends over you know,
throw out all your carbs, throwout all your embrace all
the protein like it's and for dairy especially, it's.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
And I think it's important to bring more nuance into
this before eliminating a whole food group wholesale without understanding
the possible benefits that you're losing or making a switch,
and many speaking of another myth like they'm like, well,
I drink my almond milk, I drink my oat milk,
and like, yes, it has calcium, but that calcium is
not intrinsic to the properties of that the almond milk
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or the oat milk itself. It's fortified with synthetic calcium,
usually calcium carbonate, And while that might be like an
affordable and accessible form of calcium for many people, it
doesn't have that same benefits, proven reliable benefits that dietary
calcium brings to your bones. So I really try to
caution people, like, well, look at that ingredient label. If
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it's almond milk with like five hundred milligrams of calcium,
that's calcium carbonate, And there's other concerns, like you have
to worry about it settling into the liquid. So when
they say shake that bottle, like, really do shake the
bottle because.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
You don't want to be getting all of it.
Speaker 8 (33:11):
You know, it's sediments at the bottom unless it's properly suspended.
So from a food science perspective, it's very important to
read the ingredient label and treat the product that you're
consuming with the sort of the nuance that it deserves.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
How about Greek yogurt may.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, when they eliminated because of protein, because it's easy
for protein.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Yeah, protein dairy.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
I'm like, that's what my kids get their calcium from.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
I've been I've been wanting to do it instagram real
about this for like the past year, and I haven't
gotten around to it because I feel that there's different
sources of calcium depending on the different types of Greek
yogurt that you consume. So and I was shocked by this.
I didn't I had no idea. It's like I thought,
all Greek yogurt has the same amount of calcium, but no,
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it like differs between brand. Even within brands, it differs
between flavor or the type of milk that they use.
And so I wanted to I want to do an
Instagram really like showing like popular brands and how the
calcium content.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
That's a great idea because for for us that you
know that work with midlife women and we're always telling
them a great Greek yogurt is a great way to
get your protein, and we want to make sure that
we're giving them the one that has the best calcium
in it too.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
So yeah, I'm a fan of that real.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, we would like to answer.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
We'd like to answer, and I may also would like
to have it for myself.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Let's be real, so you both use the phrase food
first that we have difficulties saying in a sentence here
in your messaging, what does that philosophy look like in
the long run for scene.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Yeah, that's a good question. We dream big, Adrian and
I do. We started with our calcium too, but what
we would like to see is a full line of
supplements that are only made from food. So taking that
food first approach for bone health. There's too much on
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the market right now with synthetic calcium, like we talked
about synthetic other vitamins things, So we want to use
high quality food to support women's bone health. That's what
we want to do. We have some things in line
hopefully for the fall for the winner, to make this
line possible. But yeah, it's a lot of work too,
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and we're juggling with it all right now.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
But I think really paying attention to the language of
a supplement is helpful.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Like, we know that the average American woman.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
Gets eight hundred and fifty milligrams of calcium from her
diet alone, So why on earth if you go to
your CBS or your Walgreens and you look at the
bottles backs of the bottles of calcium choice, it's saying
to take like four pills equally twelve hundred milligrams.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Unless you are on a liquid.
Speaker 8 (36:14):
Diet with no calcium, you're not. That's completely unnecessary. So
the idea of just using just as much as we
know from population dietary consumption data, which is which is
an inexact science, but I mean as a rule of
plum it's good and just making up the difference, like
supplementing your diet.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
No more. We don't need to push calcium carbonate or
any of these vitamins or minerals as if people walk
through life without eating us or anything throughout their day.
Totally unnecessary, potentially harmful. And it's like, well, you know,
you have to understand the supplement as like it's just
enough to take you to where you need to be
no more.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
That's it.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
And I think that's a very cautious, gentle approach that
if you're trying to push product, it's not making you mench.
So I think that's where we understand our food first
approach to supplements like you said, Christine, like, it's just enough,
it's all food, no.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Reason to go overborne.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I think since I got to Ireland, I've been on
a mainly liquid diet with.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
So maybe I'll do the twelve.
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Pictures You've seen your Facebook pages.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Oh that was fantastic. I love that.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
It's been messy. It's been messy, but fun.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
It sounds fun to me. Yeah, I think that was
like I get asked a lot too as the pharmacist,
like oh, oh, what multi item do you recommend? Or
like what supplement is best? How do you know? There's
so many out there? And that's one of the red
flags that I tell people is that if you turn
the label over and if any of those percentages are
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above one hundred percent the RDA, then that's a red
flag for me because then that means that that company,
that brand is not taking the food first approach and
wanting you to think that you're getting more for your
money because it's over one hundred percent when you really
don't need now. So if there's like and it's crazy,
some of these brands have like one thousand percent RDA
(38:20):
and it's like, why you don't need that? You can
get it from your food. And so that's one other thing.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
We're definitely you know, it's drummed into us. You know,
bigger is better and is better. So that wouldn't even
have occurred to me to think like that. So that's
a great tip.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
And now with women trying to solve a you know
a lot of women who don't want hormone therapy, which
is absolutely fine, but what they're trying to do is
use supplements, you know, the natural way to make themselves
feel better. And you know, I've said this before, it
makes me cringe when they when they show up, you know,
(39:01):
with their bin of supplements, and then you know, you
start actually looking at their vitamins and minerals and you're like,
you don't need that, you don't need that, you don't
need that. And then you see, you know, some variations
in their you know, blood counts or their metabolic panels,
and it's like, all right, we got to start coming
off of this. And so I think women really do
(39:22):
need to test their their vitamins and minerals and not guess.
And just because a company has a lineup of supplements,
it doesn't mean you need all of them. And if
they're combined, you may not need all of the things
in that supplement, and you know it just I find
(39:44):
women are spending an enormous amount of money on supplements
and you know, tinctures and potions, and I'm like, you
don't need all.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
That, right, And yeah, well that's what they call it now, right,
the lifestyle medicine approaches food. That's why I love I
love this product because really, you know, we're encouraging women
to to have a great plate of greens and colors
along with their you know, their whatever protein and you
(40:13):
know the best way to get all of that is
from really good nutritious food.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And so you know it's I like that part too.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
Mm hmmm. Yeah. They they have the phrase the polypharmacy
of menopause for a reason. Ye right, And I get it. Okay,
during this time or whatever time, if you're in a
desperate state, you'll take anything to feel better. But like
you said, Christine, what happens is that you get supplements
stacking and so maybe you're getting magnesium here, but then
(40:44):
also from your three other supplements because brands like to
combine everything and I get that, but it just you
just have to be even more cautious when you're when
you're taking more than one to actually see and so
and talk to your doctors. I let your doctors know
that you're on all these talents because then they will
help you decipher what's needed and what's not and you
(41:06):
can save a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Well, oh my gosh, thank you guys so much for
sharing your stories. You're science. You're an incredible mission. You're
helping women reclaim their strength and literally from the inside out.
Where can our listeners find Scene?
Speaker 7 (41:27):
Yeah? Good, so we are on.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
We have our a website which is www dot Scene
Nutrition to s E E N Nutrition.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
This is a double n uh. We name the company to.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
Help women and all of their life stages feel Scene
supported strong.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
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Speaker 7 (41:50):
Learn more, reach out.
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