May 2, 2025 • 31 mins
Grab your popcorn and your girlfriends - The Dusty Muffins are turning film critics this week! Dr. Aoife O'Sullivan, Dr. Christine Hart Kress, and Dr. Rebbecca Hertel share their reactions to PBS's groundbreaking menopause documentary "The M Factor," and why they believe every woman should watch it (preferably with a crew of your besties).
In this special episode, you'll discover:
🎥 What made these doctors cheer (and maybe cringe a little) while watching
👯♀️ Why menopause is best navigated with community support
📺 Where to stream "The M Factor" (hint: check MFactor.com or PBS)
💬 Their prescription for turning documentary viewing into a powerful conversation starter
The Muffins discuss:
• The scenes that resonated most with their clinical experiences
• How media representation is changing the menopause conversation
• Why they're recommending this doc to patients and colleagues alike
With their trademark blend of medical insight and unfiltered commentary, they'll have you reaching for the remote - and your group chat - to plan your own screening party.
Remember: They're doctors, but not YOUR doctors - this episode is all about starting important conversations through the power of storytelling.
Subscribe for more lively discussions that make women's health both approachable and entertaining.
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In this special episode, you'll discover:
🎥 What made these doctors cheer (and maybe cringe a little) while watching
👯♀️ Why menopause is best navigated with community support
📺 Where to stream "The M Factor" (hint: check MFactor.com or PBS)
💬 Their prescription for turning documentary viewing into a powerful conversation starter
The Muffins discuss:
• The scenes that resonated most with their clinical experiences
• How media representation is changing the menopause conversation
• Why they're recommending this doc to patients and colleagues alike
With their trademark blend of medical insight and unfiltered commentary, they'll have you reaching for the remote - and your group chat - to plan your own screening party.
Remember: They're doctors, but not YOUR doctors - this episode is all about starting important conversations through the power of storytelling.
Subscribe for more lively discussions that make women's health both approachable and entertaining.
CONTACT THE DOCTORS
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-dusty-muffins--6539849/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome to the Dusty Muffins, where menopause meets sisterhood and strength.
We're three menopause specialists coming together to laugh, share, and
empower you through the wild ride of menopause and perimenopause.
Whether you're curious, confused, or just looking for a real talk,
you're in the right place. We're here to answer your
burning questions, educate, and advocate all with a dash of
(00:28):
humor and a lot of heart. So pull up a
chair and join the conversation. Before we dive in, please remember,
while we're doctors, we're not your doctors.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This podcast is for.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Educational purposes only and is not a substitute for medical advice.
We encourage you to partner with your own medical clinician
to address your unique health needs.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is the Dusty Muffins.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Welcome back to the Dusty Muffins, the podcast where we
talk all things menopause, midlife, and why we read used
to just deal with it.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
That's right, No dusty thinking here, just real talk, real solutions,
and probably a few inappropriate jokes along the way.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And today we're talking about something we all have first
time experience with m factor screamings.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We've all done them.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We've all heard the questions, and let's be honest, some
of them are asked in a whisper like it's a
dirty secret.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Spoiler alert. There are no dumb questions when it comes
to menopause. So grab your tea, coffee, or you're not
approved by the Surgeon general a glass of wine, and
let's dive in.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
ENA's living already.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
No one's fine, It's fine, alright, So let's get into
what is it?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, let's talk about it. Done it ganing?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So are menopause not as many on PBS? That is,
you know, they're both the viewpoints of the providers. There's
a historical perspective about menopause and how women have been treated,
you know, over over decades and decades of time, some
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patient stories, and then you know provider education as well.
And I think the coolest thing about these m factors
is that it's bringing communities of women together and women
are excited to listen to the documentary to learn. I
(02:42):
think it's eye opening, especially the piece about oral health
and the impact of menopause on dental because I know
so many people in this age group that are getting
crowns and the tooth and implants and those sort of things.
I think that is usually pretty like aha moment for
(03:03):
a lot of women. But just to be in a
safe space where we're celebrating women and having some fun
and then being able to ask questions. And I know,
as soon as you know the the documentary is over,
most of us go right into Q and A. And
it literally takes less than thirty seconds for that firsthand,
(03:25):
And once the first question is up, it's game on.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So many questions, so many questions.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So yeah, anyway, yeah, what what are some of your
experiences from hosting?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
If I'm saying I only had one, I only had one,
So mine's quick so far. Anyways, But it was so
fantastic And I was lucky enough to do it with
Christine and we were in Chicago and in December, and
we had friends of ours that hosted it and we
were asked to speak on the panel and it was
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just such and it's an incredible experience to be up
there and listen. First of all, you can you can
hear a pin drop during the screening, right, I mean
silent tears, you know, and just these aha moments and
women I think realizing like oh my gosh, this is
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me when they didn't really understand it, or oh my gosh,
I didn't understand that this is what I was going
through maybe going through. And then to be able to
sit up there and just answered their q and as
and to get the conversation rolling and you know, listen
to their journeys, their struggles, what they've been told, how
(04:47):
can we get access.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Just you know, it was such an amazing experience. One
of my favorite things I did in twenty twenty four
for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's been so interesting to see everyone's response to it.
The at the ones I've been out, there have been
some men as well who've asked some really good questions
and been interested in the documentary and found it a
real eye opener as well.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
To know there's this whole.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Whole phase of a woman's life that they know nothing about,
you know, and a lot of them would have come
with a female partner and so they've probably been living
through it at home as well and not really understanding
what was going on. So it's nice for them to
get a little background on it and explanation as well.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But you get some great questions.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, yeah, a lot of the dental questions, and
then I've had women say, you know what, I have
a genetic predisposition to forming clots, a clot in the
leg which is called a DVT, or in the lung,
which is called a pe or I've had one in
the past.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You know, is our hormonese safe for me to take?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So people will ask pretty in depth questions like that
as well, which is I love because even within clinicians,
even within the medical community, doctors don't know this, you know.
And so to be able to spread that information at
a screening of a documentary and there could be a
couple of hundred people there or more, is what a
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great way to get information out, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And even some of those taboo questions finally they'll you know, once,
once you start getting those questions rolling, then you can
talk about you know, sex and libido and you know,
the the changes in because most of these you know women,
I think sometimes our partners just think they just don't
you know, it's not what they want anymore, they don't
really care about it anymore, where when in fact that
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isn't they don't like that, they don't care or they
don't have a libido. It's not that you know, yeah,
they don't care. They may not care about it, they
may not feel like they want to be intimate, but
they don't like that they miss they missed that part
and so you know, typically it's such a taboo thing
for women to talk about. And in that space, I
(07:15):
feel like we've really opened up that conversation about a
woman's desire and intimacy and you know, in a safe way,
but in a way that in a group of women
where I think it would have been you know, so
taboo before to talk about.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Do you know what else I really think it brought
to the forefront that is never talked about the experience
of women going through menopause in the workplace.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah. It's so good for that, you know, getting people
to think about.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
What it's like for a woman going through menopause to go.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Into work every day and having not slept all night,
standing up on front of an office full of people
to give a presentation and being so worried that she's
not going to be able to remember what she's supposed
to talk about, or having a hot flash in front
of everybody in the office. I mean, it's enough to
(08:15):
make you call oude sick that day, right, or maybe
like your job or leave your job. So I love
the way it brought so much attention to that too,
because Tom's and Fidel who was whose brain child the
m factor was, That is why she made this. She
left her career because of her menopausal symptoms.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
She was a journalist and had a massive on screen
presence on television and walked away from.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It because when in five, the stats are one in
five women will leave their job due to their menopausal symptoms.
And on the panel that I was on, I actually
had a CEO and founder of a very successful restaurant
group in the Northern Virginia area and he lectures other
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leaders that menopause is a leadership leadership illness because menopause
is corporate wellness and it impacts every single one of
your employees, even if only fifty percent of them are women,
because the other fifty percent have a mom, a sister,
a wife that also is going through going through menopause.
(09:33):
And so it's something that should be talked about in
the workplace. And one of the things he said is
wouldn't it be the most amazing you know, you know,
workplace culture if someone could see that someone is struggling,
and you know, say I got you, I'm gonna I'm
going to take over.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You go take a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And nobody think anything of it, and a woman not
being upset about that, and so, you know, it really
now needs to be part of training for all employees.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, I'm smiling here thinking of.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A previous job I had not so long ago, but
in a primary care clinic and the medical assistant I
worked with, Glory.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
She was just fantastic. She was always two steps ahead
of me.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But she would see me walking into a room and
I tell you, thirty seconds later that would be a
knock on the door. She'd come in and she'd just
hand me the little electric fan. I wouldn't say a word,
you know, she would just see that I had been
like red from head to toe or whatever. This was
before I completely got my hormones sorted out.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But and it was just so lovely, you know. And
she didn't make a big deal out of it or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
She could see I was like roasting hot and sweating
half the time. And the office was a normal temperature.
Everything else was fine, but I was so miserable and
so uncomfortable, and you know she had that insight. The
two of us did a lot of menopause care together,
so she knew all about it. But it was it
was so lovely. Yeah, I'm going to have your back.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
The biggest question that I've been getting at different presentations
now is about cholesterol, because women are going into their
primary and you know, they're asking for labs and usually,
you know, depending on the primary care provider, the only
thing they're getting out of them is you know, cholesterol
and hemoglobin A one C. And they're noticing that they're cholesterol.
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The HDL is going down and the LDL is going up,
and you know that is the number one question. Is
that from menopause. And I just got my labs back,
and it's so in the last year my LDL and
I know, last March I was not menopausal because my
estrogen was two hundred and twenty. My my LDL was
(12:04):
one oh seven and my labs that I just got back,
I'm one seventy on my LDL, so in the last
year and so like I get it because I'm like,
oh my goodness, now it's me. And so I got
you know, I wrangled lipoprotein testing and now I'm mee
them freaked out now because my LPA is twice normal,
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so I'm like one hundred and fifty five, so I'm
at high risk for a cardiovascular event. And so like
now now I get the Now I get the urgency
why people are a little you know, is this a
menopause symptom? And so because now you know, now I
got to make a decision about going on a statin
because you know, I'm going to get my cordinary calcium score.
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But you know, it's really really very concerning for women
because heart disease is the number one killer of women.
So that's the number one question I've been hearing is
about cholesterol. And now I understand why it's an important question.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, you are only telling us about the one m
g l D now or else we both have already
put you on the stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I know, But I'm like, we've not heard about this.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Calciums again. I'm putting you on right.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Just like everybody else. Yeah, I know, well those are
sometimes those are things that we can change later. Yes
maybe not with the lp A, but but we can always.
You're not ever married to everything that you're on.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That is shut That's what I tell them.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Like you know, we're done.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You here.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yes, yes, we're gonna we're following. We're going to check
this out because we can recheck that in like four months.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh, I plan on it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You know, I'm old enough for a miracle genetics, right,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You can now run genetics and that.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, Christine are such a fitness freak like you. You
exercise like crazy. You're so focused on keeping your bones
strong and your muscles nice and strong.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
You eat really well.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
You know, and so you would think when you check
your cholesterol that it's going to be fine.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So it really is shocking.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Then when you check it in your it's not fair.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You know, actually says it's always been normal.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, And you know menopause, the menopause transition does this
like at a really deep level. You know, our estrogen
affects the ATP, the creb cycle, it affects our mitochondria,
like right down to the mitochondria. Oh. I never liked biokam,
So I start to read into these things and then
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I was like, we're geeking out over here for way.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Way to.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Crab or crabs. Wait, I wasn't sure where she was
gonna go.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
When you start to realize like how deep it goes,
you realize that why our liver goes crazy during you know,
my XRTI fat and our yeah like every.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Time I have yeah, every time I have a hot
flash or a night sweat. These are the things I
think about. I'm like, oh, my god, my brain and
my heart and my teeth, yeah, and my bones every time,
and my bones and the you know, but my A
one C did that. And I'll tell you what I
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would have never known had I not used a continuous
glucose meter. And I would have never known that that
because I had gained twenty pounds from this early pyramid
of pause to late perimen and pause transition, and I
had since been able to get rid of most of that.
But I was like trying to figure out what was
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going on, and my A and C was still normal.
No one would have blinked at my ANC. I saw
the transition up. My mom has type two diabetes, my grandma,
my whole you know, my whole family. It happens with
aide for them and weight gain as well. Right, So
so here's this twenty pounds. I'm like, what in the hell,
I'm a fitness freak. I have I move all the time.
(16:20):
I eat cleaner than I could eat. And there's my
unc creep creep, creep creep. And I put a meter
on and I would eat like a half a banana
or whatever, and it would spike my glucose up over
one fifty and would take twenty minutes or so to
come down, where I'd have to like run up and
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down my stairs to get it down. And I was
just like scared to death, scared to death that this
was my future, was my a W and C. And
it definitely would have been. And I still have to
work really really hard to keep it controlled. And that
is something that this is genetics. Some of this is
genetic stuff, you know. And now I just know, like
(17:04):
I can't eat those things. My husband, you need the
same exact thing, flatline, fine, and I can't. I can't
do the carbs, So I have to do berries. If
I'm going to do carbs like my lo glycemic fruit
and then protein and healthy fat fiber.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I think the one good thing right is that both
you and I had the right testing and caught early.
And now we know, you know that we need to
adopt some you know, really focused lifestyle you know changes,
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not that we don't have them already in our way
we're doing it, but it sure does convince me that
when I'm traveling, I'm going to still eat on plan
and then I.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Won't miss a workout, and.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know that, you know, and just you know, having
that information, like you women who don't go see any
provider and just have no idea, and they're like, menopause
is going good for me, but is it is your
metabolic health okay?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Or are you because you.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Can't feel that right, You can't feel like that's some
of the things I think we've talked about on even
these screenings, like some of these things you can't feel.
So when you have if you're not having hot flash
as night sweats and painful intimacy and or terrible brain fogging,
even the mood that they'll you know, just chalk up
(18:31):
to you know, my parents are getting old kids at
work and all of that. You can't you know, they
call these things silent killers for a reason. You can't
see it, you can't feel it, and but it's changing, right,
and so that is also the importance of this this
documentary is because now we're talking about the things that
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can happen and what we're seeing in our cholesterol changing
and our ae CE changing, and you know, a fat
redistribution that that is very unhealthy and detrimental to our longevity. Right,
our longevity the way that we live for how long
we live, and what way that we live in a
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healthy way. So it's one thing to be live till
you're eighty. It's another thing to live to your eighty
and not be able to get up out of a
chair and go to the bathroom or to get yourself dressed.
A little tangent, Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, it's all good.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
If a what are what are you finding that the
M factors that because Ifa is like the queen of
M factors by the by times, are you finding that
people are asking like more questions, like about more kind
of trying like I don't mean advice because obviously we're
(19:52):
not giving medical advice, you know, we're in general questions,
but or that women are you know, now getting their
PhD in menopause and so now it's a little bit
more nuanced in how do I navigate type questions? Or
are you finding that it's more basic questions.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, it's definitely a mix.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Like I have patients asking, you know, I had breast
cancer ten years ago and I've completed my treatment, I've
completed my tomoxofin or my AI our hormones safe for me.
So sometimes we really get down into the nitty gritty
and then you know, other questions are, how do I
find a clinician know menopause? Well, it's all over the place,
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just so many different questions, and every time I'm at one,
the questions are different.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I swear, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It isn't crazy. And it probably depends on the community too, right.
You just start to figure out, like how educated is
this community on women's talk in minopause, Like do they
have menopause practitioners? Do they not? You know, how is
their GYN community with minopause them in life care or
their practitioners. I would assume that that's got to make
(21:04):
a difference too. On your questions, you know that we
get Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, I think the one thing that has been making
me really really sad is that the women who come
for the information but come up to you afterwards and
it begins with I know I'm not eligible and I'm like,
do tell what do you mean You're not eligible? And
more often than not, I will say to them, oh,
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you are eligible. Like I have factor five light and
I can't be on hormone therapy. I have mh mh FTTR.
I always have to think of that one I can't
be on it, or I had breast cancer twenty years ago.
And it's so the women who are really really interested
are the women who have otherwise been told it's off
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the table, and there they've accepted it.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
And so when you tell them it's.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Not off the table, like their eyes get so big,
and you know, it really is good to be able
to connect people because how I mean they would have
just been happy with that as an answer, but they're
so miserable that they want the information. So I think
that in some of these that were really helping women
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improve their lives who otherwise were just lost in despair.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You know what, we're saving women from nursing homes. We're
saving women from spending the last twenty their life in
a nursing home. Is basically documentaries, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Teaching them how to advocate for themselves, right, teaching them
that like I don't have to wait until sixty five
for a bone dynasity. I can get a very inexpensive
bone denversity skin somewhere requiring out loud, where are we
waiting til sixty five? It's the most absurd thing ever.
Let's just wait until you're already off through product. And
you know, because like we've seen in these young athletes,
(22:59):
these women, and you know, in all honesty, I've thought
about my twenty four year old daughter getting a bone
density because she was a runner for so long and
stopped having periods and things like that. You know, she
really should get one as a thought. But you know,
but we do need to be discussing this even with
our younger women too, because all of those things affect
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you know, and so our bones are important. But if anything,
I think it's teaching or opening the conversation for them
to say, I think I need a bone density because
I don't want to wait until I'm already have osteoporosis.
Because when added to women will break themselves right over
the age of fifteen. And we can talk about all
(23:41):
the bones and all of those for another podcast, but
the statistics still blow my mind on that, and I
think it opens up the conversation of Okay, where can
I find someone? These are all of these things I
was experiencing. Oh boy, I don't have to live with them.
It's not just a part of aging, like you know,
getting my bunions fixed and my eyes fixed, and you
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know all of the things that can come with aging
that we seem to fix. But this is taboo to
fix for some reason.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, and there's information that women don't know, Like you know,
I have a friend who broke her wrist and no
one said to her, well, this is in itself.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
A diagnosis of our get you got to know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So she's walking around, she had her wrist fixed, went
in and out of the hospital, saw multiple doctors, specialists,
and no one has said to her, you know, now
this is a sign of osteoporosis, and we need to
do a bone density scan, and we need to get
your bones back up and running. Do you know about hormones?
No one said anything like that to her. So she's
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just gone off with a wrist fracture, having had it fixed,
thinking everything's fine, and doesn't realize any of that's going
on inside or what lies ahead. You know, because if
you break a hip, yep, you've got one in five
chance of not making it through the next year after that,
you know, that's the major risk for mortality.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Breaking your head, yeah, yeah, it's not right.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, we're first.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Year of dying. Not just the fact that sixty percent
of them I believe don't go back to prefaul function,
but that no I hear anywhere between twenty to thirty percent.
So I usually will say twenty five percent, twenty five
percent of women will die within the first year of
a hip fracture. I just am like, does anybody understand
(25:40):
that statistic?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Really things? No one ever pined to that during your
medical training.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Right exactly. So yeah, so I think, will you say something, Christiana,
I'm sorry, okay, I was going to say, you know,
I I the big things that that we wish more women,
I think we hit quite a few of them. That
women still are not educated as much as they should be.
They want the education, they just aren't educated because a
(26:08):
lot of their practitioners aren't educated. And so you know,
when you're not told what you go through. We know
about puberty and pregnancy, but we don't know about, you know,
the second half or forty percent of the rest of
our lives. So that's important that there's common themes and
(26:28):
frustrations with women, meaning that they are still being gaslet.
They're still being told that they need to wait, They're
still being you know, they're this is my own brain
fog moment. They're not just being gas lit, but their
symptoms are being ignored. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Where's my cricket?
(26:56):
I know, I know it's going to happen, Yeah, exactly,
but their symptoms, you know, are being ignored and put
on the back burner. And so we still are hearing
these things from these practitioners that you know, just go
drink some wine and then you can, you know, have
have sex with your partner and it's normal for it
(27:19):
to hurt. I mean, just things that are just, I know,
sound absurd to us. But these women are still being
told these things. Yeah, what do you what do y'all?
What do y'all think? We wish more women knew or
some other you know, as we kind of wrap up
and get some key takeaways here from from this in factor,
and you can still where can women find this? I
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guess let's give them that.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
On the impactor dot com website, there's still showings all
across the country. And then of course you can purchase
it on PBS dot org for I think I believe
it's seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So, you know, be a.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Nice you know, a nice thing you can do with
your friends. You know, it would have been a great
Gallantine's Day thing for someone to do that for a
group of friends. And then of course you can always
invite a menopause specialist to come to your personal viewing
if you have it in your in your home, someone
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that is local to you, and you know, get women
together and get that community together. So I think it's
eye opening for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It really is a special business. Everyone, Like I just
every time I watch it, I see something I missed
before and I love hearing all the oohs and ah's,
and you know, it never it doesn't get old.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's really exciting.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And to feel that energy in the room of women.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Like just this revelation, yes, and they start to feel
empowered right in front of your eyes. It's so neat
to watch.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I love it absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, So I think you know, we know that minapads
is different for everyone. You know, getting answers is important
to making sure you know, that is a step that
women can start taking you know, whether or not they're
reading books like Esragen Matters or America has book finding.
Good social media outlets that that can provide you with
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great education as well. And ways to to approach your
practitioner to have questions answered. Come with the list. Those
are some other good things, good resources, right, and good
ways to get your questions answered. Any other any other advice?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, I think the nicest way to watch it is
to watch it with a group of women.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And I was just that's what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Here on the phone, trying to see what's the story
now because it used to be free.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
But they're a very small.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Team and they've had been totally overwhelmed with the response
to the There is a small fee involved now, which
I think is really appropriate for all the work put
into it and what goes on.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So I do think you know it's twenty twenty five now,
anyone who hasn't seen it. If you're going to watch it,
why don't you create a little you know, get a
group of women together, get the women.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Who you go to the gym with together, or you
know your women on the block, men too.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
You know that the guys, they love it bring.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Your daughters, bring your nieces, bring your spouse, you know,
your partner. Like this, This is not just for just
the woman going through it. I mean these are this
is important for everyone, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, and if you own a company or you're a
boss or a manager, yes, you definitely need to know
this as well, because the chances are you have people.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Working with you or under you who are going through this. Yeah.
Good insight.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yep, that's really important.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
All right, ladies, that's a wrap on episode. If you've
ever had a wait, is this normal moment? Let us know.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We might just cover it in a future episode.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Make sure to subscribe with a review and share this
episode with a friend or two, or three or four,
because no one should have to figure out menopause alone.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Until next time, stay fabulous, stay informed, and keep those
muffins just the right amount of dusty.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
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Speaker 4 (01:03):
That's right, No dusty thinking here, just real talk, real solutions,
and probably a few inappropriate jokes along the way.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And today we're talking about something we all have first
time experience with m factor screamings.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
We've all done them.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
We've all heard the questions, and let's be honest, some
of them are asked in a whisper like it's a
dirty secret.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Spoiler alert. There are no dumb questions when it comes
to menopause. So grab your tea, coffee, or you're not
approved by the Surgeon general a glass of wine, and
let's dive in.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
All right, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
ENA's living already.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
No one's fine, It's fine, alright, So let's get into
what is it?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, let's talk about it. Done it ganing?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
So are menopause not as many on PBS? That is,
you know, they're both the viewpoints of the providers. There's
a historical perspective about menopause and how women have been treated,
you know, over over decades and decades of time, some
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patient stories, and then you know provider education as well.
And I think the coolest thing about these m factors
is that it's bringing communities of women together and women
are excited to listen to the documentary to learn. I
(02:42):
think it's eye opening, especially the piece about oral health
and the impact of menopause on dental because I know
so many people in this age group that are getting
crowns and the tooth and implants and those sort of things.
I think that is usually pretty like aha moment for
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a lot of women. But just to be in a
safe space where we're celebrating women and having some fun
and then being able to ask questions. And I know,
as soon as you know the the documentary is over,
most of us go right into Q and A. And
it literally takes less than thirty seconds for that firsthand,
(03:25):
And once the first question is up, it's game on.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So many questions, so many questions.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
So yeah, anyway, yeah, what what are some of your
experiences from hosting?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
If I'm saying I only had one, I only had one,
So mine's quick so far. Anyways, But it was so
fantastic And I was lucky enough to do it with
Christine and we were in Chicago and in December, and
we had friends of ours that hosted it and we
were asked to speak on the panel and it was
(04:05):
just such and it's an incredible experience to be up
there and listen. First of all, you can you can
hear a pin drop during the screening, right, I mean
silent tears, you know, and just these aha moments and
women I think realizing like oh my gosh, this is
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me when they didn't really understand it, or oh my gosh,
I didn't understand that this is what I was going
through maybe going through. And then to be able to
sit up there and just answered their q and as
and to get the conversation rolling and you know, listen
to their journeys, their struggles, what they've been told, how
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can we get access.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Just you know, it was such an amazing experience. One
of my favorite things I did in twenty twenty four
for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's been so interesting to see everyone's response to it.
The at the ones I've been out, there have been
some men as well who've asked some really good questions
and been interested in the documentary and found it a
real eye opener as well.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
To know there's this whole.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Whole phase of a woman's life that they know nothing about,
you know, and a lot of them would have come
with a female partner and so they've probably been living
through it at home as well and not really understanding
what was going on. So it's nice for them to
get a little background on it and explanation as well.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
But you get some great questions.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I mean, yeah, a lot of the dental questions, and
then I've had women say, you know what, I have
a genetic predisposition to forming clots, a clot in the
leg which is called a DVT, or in the lung,
which is called a pe or I've had one in
the past.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You know, is our hormonese safe for me to take?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So people will ask pretty in depth questions like that
as well, which is I love because even within clinicians,
even within the medical community, doctors don't know this, you know.
And so to be able to spread that information at
a screening of a documentary and there could be a
couple of hundred people there or more, is what a
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great way to get information out, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
And even some of those taboo questions finally they'll you know, once,
once you start getting those questions rolling, then you can
talk about you know, sex and libido and you know,
the the changes in because most of these you know women,
I think sometimes our partners just think they just don't
you know, it's not what they want anymore, they don't
really care about it anymore, where when in fact that
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isn't they don't like that, they don't care or they
don't have a libido. It's not that you know, yeah,
they don't care. They may not care about it, they
may not feel like they want to be intimate, but
they don't like that they miss they missed that part
and so you know, typically it's such a taboo thing
for women to talk about. And in that space, I
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feel like we've really opened up that conversation about a
woman's desire and intimacy and you know, in a safe way,
but in a way that in a group of women
where I think it would have been you know, so
taboo before to talk about.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Do you know what else I really think it brought
to the forefront that is never talked about the experience
of women going through menopause in the workplace.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah. It's so good for that, you know, getting people
to think about.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
What it's like for a woman going through menopause to go.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Into work every day and having not slept all night,
standing up on front of an office full of people
to give a presentation and being so worried that she's
not going to be able to remember what she's supposed
to talk about, or having a hot flash in front
of everybody in the office. I mean, it's enough to
(08:15):
make you call oude sick that day, right, or maybe
like your job or leave your job. So I love
the way it brought so much attention to that too,
because Tom's and Fidel who was whose brain child the
m factor was, That is why she made this. She
left her career because of her menopausal symptoms.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
She was a journalist and had a massive on screen
presence on television and walked away from.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
It because when in five, the stats are one in
five women will leave their job due to their menopausal symptoms.
And on the panel that I was on, I actually
had a CEO and founder of a very successful restaurant
group in the Northern Virginia area and he lectures other
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leaders that menopause is a leadership leadership illness because menopause
is corporate wellness and it impacts every single one of
your employees, even if only fifty percent of them are women,
because the other fifty percent have a mom, a sister,
a wife that also is going through going through menopause.
(09:33):
And so it's something that should be talked about in
the workplace. And one of the things he said is
wouldn't it be the most amazing you know, you know,
workplace culture if someone could see that someone is struggling,
and you know, say I got you, I'm gonna I'm
going to take over.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
You go take a minute.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And nobody think anything of it, and a woman not
being upset about that, and so, you know, it really
now needs to be part of training for all employees.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, I'm smiling here thinking of.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A previous job I had not so long ago, but
in a primary care clinic and the medical assistant I
worked with, Glory.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
She was just fantastic. She was always two steps ahead
of me.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
But she would see me walking into a room and
I tell you, thirty seconds later that would be a
knock on the door. She'd come in and she'd just
hand me the little electric fan. I wouldn't say a word,
you know, she would just see that I had been
like red from head to toe or whatever. This was
before I completely got my hormones sorted out.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But and it was just so lovely, you know. And
she didn't make a big deal out of it or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
She could see I was like roasting hot and sweating
half the time. And the office was a normal temperature.
Everything else was fine, but I was so miserable and
so uncomfortable, and you know she had that insight. The
two of us did a lot of menopause care together,
so she knew all about it. But it was it
was so lovely. Yeah, I'm going to have your back.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
The biggest question that I've been getting at different presentations
now is about cholesterol, because women are going into their
primary and you know, they're asking for labs and usually,
you know, depending on the primary care provider, the only
thing they're getting out of them is you know, cholesterol
and hemoglobin A one C. And they're noticing that they're cholesterol.
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The HDL is going down and the LDL is going up,
and you know that is the number one question. Is
that from menopause. And I just got my labs back,
and it's so in the last year my LDL and
I know, last March I was not menopausal because my
estrogen was two hundred and twenty. My my LDL was
(12:04):
one oh seven and my labs that I just got back,
I'm one seventy on my LDL, so in the last
year and so like I get it because I'm like,
oh my goodness, now it's me. And so I got
you know, I wrangled lipoprotein testing and now I'm mee
them freaked out now because my LPA is twice normal,
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so I'm like one hundred and fifty five, so I'm
at high risk for a cardiovascular event. And so like
now now I get the Now I get the urgency
why people are a little you know, is this a
menopause symptom? And so because now you know, now I
got to make a decision about going on a statin
because you know, I'm going to get my cordinary calcium score.
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But you know, it's really really very concerning for women
because heart disease is the number one killer of women.
So that's the number one question I've been hearing is
about cholesterol. And now I understand why it's an important question.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, you are only telling us about the one m
g l D now or else we both have already
put you on the stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I know, But I'm like, we've not heard about this.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Calciums again. I'm putting you on right.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Just like everybody else. Yeah, I know, well those are
sometimes those are things that we can change later. Yes
maybe not with the lp A, but but we can always.
You're not ever married to everything that you're on.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That is shut That's what I tell them.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Like you know, we're done.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You here.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yes, yes, we're gonna we're following. We're going to check
this out because we can recheck that in like four months.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Oh, I plan on it.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You know, I'm old enough for a miracle genetics, right,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You can now run genetics and that.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yes, Christine are such a fitness freak like you. You
exercise like crazy. You're so focused on keeping your bones
strong and your muscles nice and strong.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
You eat really well.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
You know, and so you would think when you check
your cholesterol that it's going to be fine.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So it really is shocking.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Then when you check it in your it's not fair.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
You know, actually says it's always been normal.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Yeah, And you know menopause, the menopause transition does this
like at a really deep level. You know, our estrogen
affects the ATP, the creb cycle, it affects our mitochondria,
like right down to the mitochondria. Oh. I never liked biokam,
So I start to read into these things and then
I'm like.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
I was like, we're geeking out over here for way.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Way to.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Crab or crabs. Wait, I wasn't sure where she was
gonna go.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
When you start to realize like how deep it goes,
you realize that why our liver goes crazy during you know,
my XRTI fat and our yeah like every.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Time I have yeah, every time I have a hot
flash or a night sweat. These are the things I
think about. I'm like, oh, my god, my brain and
my heart and my teeth, yeah, and my bones every time,
and my bones and the you know, but my A
one C did that. And I'll tell you what I
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would have never known had I not used a continuous
glucose meter. And I would have never known that that
because I had gained twenty pounds from this early pyramid
of pause to late perimen and pause transition, and I
had since been able to get rid of most of that.
But I was like trying to figure out what was
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going on, and my A and C was still normal.
No one would have blinked at my ANC. I saw
the transition up. My mom has type two diabetes, my grandma,
my whole you know, my whole family. It happens with
aide for them and weight gain as well. Right, So
so here's this twenty pounds. I'm like, what in the hell,
I'm a fitness freak. I have I move all the time.
(16:20):
I eat cleaner than I could eat. And there's my
unc creep creep, creep creep. And I put a meter
on and I would eat like a half a banana
or whatever, and it would spike my glucose up over
one fifty and would take twenty minutes or so to
come down, where I'd have to like run up and
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down my stairs to get it down. And I was
just like scared to death, scared to death that this
was my future, was my a W and C. And
it definitely would have been. And I still have to
work really really hard to keep it controlled. And that
is something that this is genetics. Some of this is
genetic stuff, you know. And now I just know, like
(17:04):
I can't eat those things. My husband, you need the
same exact thing, flatline, fine, and I can't. I can't
do the carbs, So I have to do berries. If
I'm going to do carbs like my lo glycemic fruit
and then protein and healthy fat fiber.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I think the one good thing right is that both
you and I had the right testing and caught early.
And now we know, you know that we need to
adopt some you know, really focused lifestyle you know changes,
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not that we don't have them already in our way
we're doing it, but it sure does convince me that
when I'm traveling, I'm going to still eat on plan
and then I.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Won't miss a workout, and.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
You know that, you know, and just you know, having
that information, like you women who don't go see any
provider and just have no idea, and they're like, menopause
is going good for me, but is it is your
metabolic health okay?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Or are you because you.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Can't feel that right, You can't feel like that's some
of the things I think we've talked about on even
these screenings, like some of these things you can't feel.
So when you have if you're not having hot flash
as night sweats and painful intimacy and or terrible brain fogging,
even the mood that they'll you know, just chalk up
(18:31):
to you know, my parents are getting old kids at
work and all of that. You can't you know, they
call these things silent killers for a reason. You can't
see it, you can't feel it, and but it's changing, right,
and so that is also the importance of this this
documentary is because now we're talking about the things that
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can happen and what we're seeing in our cholesterol changing
and our ae CE changing, and you know, a fat
redistribution that that is very unhealthy and detrimental to our longevity. Right,
our longevity the way that we live for how long
we live, and what way that we live in a
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healthy way. So it's one thing to be live till
you're eighty. It's another thing to live to your eighty
and not be able to get up out of a
chair and go to the bathroom or to get yourself dressed.
A little tangent, Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, it's all good.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
If a what are what are you finding that the
M factors that because Ifa is like the queen of
M factors by the by times, are you finding that
people are asking like more questions, like about more kind
of trying like I don't mean advice because obviously we're
(19:52):
not giving medical advice, you know, we're in general questions,
but or that women are you know, now getting their
PhD in menopause and so now it's a little bit
more nuanced in how do I navigate type questions? Or
are you finding that it's more basic questions.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, it's definitely a mix.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Like I have patients asking, you know, I had breast
cancer ten years ago and I've completed my treatment, I've
completed my tomoxofin or my AI our hormones safe for me.
So sometimes we really get down into the nitty gritty
and then you know, other questions are, how do I
find a clinician know menopause? Well, it's all over the place,
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just so many different questions, and every time I'm at one,
the questions are different.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I swear, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It isn't crazy. And it probably depends on the community too, right.
You just start to figure out, like how educated is
this community on women's talk in minopause, Like do they
have menopause practitioners? Do they not? You know, how is
their GYN community with minopause them in life care or
their practitioners. I would assume that that's got to make
(21:04):
a difference too. On your questions, you know that we
get Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, I think the one thing that has been making
me really really sad is that the women who come
for the information but come up to you afterwards and
it begins with I know I'm not eligible and I'm like,
do tell what do you mean You're not eligible? And
more often than not, I will say to them, oh,
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you are eligible. Like I have factor five light and
I can't be on hormone therapy. I have mh mh FTTR.
I always have to think of that one I can't
be on it, or I had breast cancer twenty years ago.
And it's so the women who are really really interested
are the women who have otherwise been told it's off
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the table, and there they've accepted it.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
And so when you tell them it's.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Not off the table, like their eyes get so big,
and you know, it really is good to be able
to connect people because how I mean they would have
just been happy with that as an answer, but they're
so miserable that they want the information. So I think
that in some of these that were really helping women
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improve their lives who otherwise were just lost in despair.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
You know what, we're saving women from nursing homes. We're
saving women from spending the last twenty their life in
a nursing home. Is basically documentaries, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Teaching them how to advocate for themselves, right, teaching them
that like I don't have to wait until sixty five
for a bone dynasity. I can get a very inexpensive
bone denversity skin somewhere requiring out loud, where are we
waiting til sixty five? It's the most absurd thing ever.
Let's just wait until you're already off through product. And
you know, because like we've seen in these young athletes,
(22:59):
these women, and you know, in all honesty, I've thought
about my twenty four year old daughter getting a bone
density because she was a runner for so long and
stopped having periods and things like that. You know, she
really should get one as a thought. But you know,
but we do need to be discussing this even with
our younger women too, because all of those things affect
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you know, and so our bones are important. But if anything,
I think it's teaching or opening the conversation for them
to say, I think I need a bone density because
I don't want to wait until I'm already have osteoporosis.
Because when added to women will break themselves right over
the age of fifteen. And we can talk about all
(23:41):
the bones and all of those for another podcast, but
the statistics still blow my mind on that, and I
think it opens up the conversation of Okay, where can
I find someone? These are all of these things I
was experiencing. Oh boy, I don't have to live with them.
It's not just a part of aging, like you know,
getting my bunions fixed and my eyes fixed, and you
(24:04):
know all of the things that can come with aging
that we seem to fix. But this is taboo to
fix for some reason.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, and there's information that women don't know, Like you know,
I have a friend who broke her wrist and no
one said to her, well, this is in itself.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
A diagnosis of our get you got to know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
So she's walking around, she had her wrist fixed, went
in and out of the hospital, saw multiple doctors, specialists,
and no one has said to her, you know, now
this is a sign of osteoporosis, and we need to
do a bone density scan, and we need to get
your bones back up and running. Do you know about hormones?
No one said anything like that to her. So she's
(24:49):
just gone off with a wrist fracture, having had it fixed,
thinking everything's fine, and doesn't realize any of that's going
on inside or what lies ahead. You know, because if
you break a hip, yep, you've got one in five
chance of not making it through the next year after that,
you know, that's the major risk for mortality.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Breaking your head, yeah, yeah, it's not right.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, we're first.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Year of dying. Not just the fact that sixty percent
of them I believe don't go back to prefaul function,
but that no I hear anywhere between twenty to thirty percent.
So I usually will say twenty five percent, twenty five
percent of women will die within the first year of
a hip fracture. I just am like, does anybody understand
(25:40):
that statistic?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Really things? No one ever pined to that during your
medical training.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Right exactly. So yeah, so I think, will you say something, Christiana,
I'm sorry, okay, I was going to say, you know,
I I the big things that that we wish more women,
I think we hit quite a few of them. That
women still are not educated as much as they should be.
They want the education, they just aren't educated because a
(26:08):
lot of their practitioners aren't educated. And so you know,
when you're not told what you go through. We know
about puberty and pregnancy, but we don't know about, you know,
the second half or forty percent of the rest of
our lives. So that's important that there's common themes and
(26:28):
frustrations with women, meaning that they are still being gaslet.
They're still being told that they need to wait, They're
still being you know, they're this is my own brain
fog moment. They're not just being gas lit, but their
symptoms are being ignored. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Where's my cricket?
(26:56):
I know, I know it's going to happen, Yeah, exactly,
but their symptoms, you know, are being ignored and put
on the back burner. And so we still are hearing
these things from these practitioners that you know, just go
drink some wine and then you can, you know, have
have sex with your partner and it's normal for it
(27:19):
to hurt. I mean, just things that are just, I know,
sound absurd to us. But these women are still being
told these things. Yeah, what do you what do y'all?
What do y'all think? We wish more women knew or
some other you know, as we kind of wrap up
and get some key takeaways here from from this in factor,
and you can still where can women find this? I
(27:40):
guess let's give them that.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
On the impactor dot com website, there's still showings all
across the country. And then of course you can purchase
it on PBS dot org for I think I believe
it's seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So, you know, be a.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Nice you know, a nice thing you can do with
your friends. You know, it would have been a great
Gallantine's Day thing for someone to do that for a
group of friends. And then of course you can always
invite a menopause specialist to come to your personal viewing
if you have it in your in your home, someone
(28:19):
that is local to you, and you know, get women
together and get that community together. So I think it's
eye opening for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It really is a special business. Everyone, Like I just
every time I watch it, I see something I missed
before and I love hearing all the oohs and ah's,
and you know, it never it doesn't get old.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's really exciting.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
And to feel that energy in the room of women.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Like just this revelation, yes, and they start to feel
empowered right in front of your eyes. It's so neat
to watch.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I love it absolutely.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, So I think you know, we know that minapads
is different for everyone. You know, getting answers is important
to making sure you know, that is a step that
women can start taking you know, whether or not they're
reading books like Esragen Matters or America has book finding.
Good social media outlets that that can provide you with
(29:25):
great education as well. And ways to to approach your
practitioner to have questions answered. Come with the list. Those
are some other good things, good resources, right, and good
ways to get your questions answered. Any other any other advice?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, I think the nicest way to watch it is
to watch it with a group of women.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And I was just that's what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Here on the phone, trying to see what's the story
now because it used to be free.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
But they're a very small.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Team and they've had been totally overwhelmed with the response
to the There is a small fee involved now, which
I think is really appropriate for all the work put
into it and what goes on.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
So I do think you know it's twenty twenty five now,
anyone who hasn't seen it. If you're going to watch it,
why don't you create a little you know, get a
group of women together, get the women.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Who you go to the gym with together, or you
know your women on the block, men too.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
You know that the guys, they love it bring.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Your daughters, bring your nieces, bring your spouse, you know,
your partner. Like this, This is not just for just
the woman going through it. I mean these are this
is important for everyone, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, and if you own a company or you're a
boss or a manager, yes, you definitely need to know
this as well, because the chances are you have people.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Working with you or under you who are going through this. Yeah.
Good insight.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yep, that's really important.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
All right, ladies, that's a wrap on episode. If you've
ever had a wait, is this normal moment? Let us know.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
We might just cover it in a future episode.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Make sure to subscribe with a review and share this
episode with a friend or two, or three or four,
because no one should have to figure out menopause alone.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Until next time, stay fabulous, stay informed, and keep those
muffins just the right amount of dusty.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Bye bye everybody, Bye everyone,
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