August 24, 2025 • 42 mins
What if you witnessed the impossible—right in front of your eyes? In this episode, Scott Allan shares the extraordinary story of Brent, whose paralyzed arm returned to life after a single energy session. Was it chance, Spirit, or something science hasn’t caught up to yet? Join us as we crack the code behind real-time miracles, exploring what happens when healing, hope, and the unexplained collide. This is an episode for the skeptics, the seekers, and anyone who’s ever wondered: “Could that really happen to me?”
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- The Backstory: Brent’s sudden paralysis and how it changed his day-to-day life.
- The Session: Step inside the energy work that led to Brent’s incredible transformation.
- Engineering a Miracle: Scott breaks down the experience—what he observed, what Brent felt, and the moment everything changed.
- Spirit or Science?: A candid look at doubt, belief, and the blurry line between the two.
- Listener Takeaway: What Brent’s story can teach us about possibility, faith, and the untapped power within each of us.
- How to Connect: Resources for listeners curious about energy healing, spirit communication, or booking a session with Scott.
- Book a session or event: mediumscottallan.com
- Send your miracle story or questions: Scott@mediumscottallan.com
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
It started with a miracle. One moment, Brent Michael's physical
arm was paralyzed, frozen at the elbow. The next after
a single session of energy healing, he watched in disbelief
as his arm came back to light. That moment didn't
just restore his body, it shattered everything he thought he
(00:35):
knew about science, spirit and the limits of human potential.
You say that you cracked the code of consciousness.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I've been told by the best doctors there was no
chance of happening. I couldn't work, I had no money,
I was living with my parents.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm Scott Allen, and you're listening to the Enlightened Lighte podcast,
where we explore the mysteries of the soul's journey, healing
and transformation.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Let's get started.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I always liked to spell my interviews by letting everyone know,
oh my gosh, I never thought i'd do anything like this,
as you told me thirty years ago, i'd be teaching
energy healing, helping people to elevate their consciousness and experience miracles.
I would have laughed you out of the room, because
growing up I was pretty much your.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Typical a nerd or indoor kid. We called ourselves at
the time. I loved dungeons and dragons and star wars
and all that kind of stuff. And the one thing
there was a huge passion for me growing up was
video games. I loved all the early video games, you know,
Pac Man, Donkey Kong, Galaga, and so it was always
part of my vision was I wanted to be a
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video game developer. That was my drink. And I went
to college at MIT, and that was fascinating because when
I got to MIT, I discovered the Internet. Now, I
know that sounds funny today, but when I got to MIT,
it was still the nineteen eighties and no one had
heard of the Internet. And long story short, I became
an expert in networking technology, went on to graduate school
at MIT, where I was part of the Worldwide Web Consortium.
(02:17):
Me and two guys in my lab we sent the
first ever live synchronized audio video stream over the web
in nineteen ninety four. So we're doing some really cool things.
And I really thought the Internet boom was my gold rush.
So I left MIT, grabbed my best friend, and we
started a website company. And it's kind of funny, did
you know the very first website I ever created was
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the website for the launch of the Sunny PlayStation. That
was really that was my very first project, and so
we had a lot of success with the websites. We
did the first website for the Sunny PlayStation, we did
the website for Nissan Motors, we did the Disneyland website.
But my passion was still video games. So we started
a second company to make online games. And that was
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really the straw that broke the camel's back that I
was there as the primary coder and visionary for not one,
but two internet startups right at the start of the
Internet boom. And long story short, I was working myself
sixty eighty sometimes one hundred hours a week. It was nuts.
I was just working NonStop because at the time, I figured, well,
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I'm willing to sacrifice a couple of years of my
life working because I thought I'd build up the companies
and sell them and make millions of dollars. And my
plan was by the time I was thirty, I wanted
to retire to some tropical island and spent my day's
hot topping with supermodels.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That was the plan they're working out for you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, you know, there's that old saying you know the
easiest way to make God laugh. Yeah, just tell me
your plans, right, right, right. So instead of living a
life of luxury and hedonism, I started to have a
lot of pain. It started minor, you know, little a
little bit of stiffness, a little bit of little shooting pain.
But it just built and got worse and worse and
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worse to where it got so bad I was in
so much pain I could hardly some days. I went
from working one hundred hours a week to eighty to
sixty to forty two about fifteen. And at first I
didn't panic because I went to doctors, and I figure
the doctors will know what to do, right, and always
taken care of me up to that point. And long
story short, I spent three years in physical therapy and
it just kept setting me for more and more and
(04:18):
more physical therapy and it didn't help at all. It
wasn't just I wasn't getting better. I kept getting worse
and it all blew up in nineteen ninety eight, when
it was kind of funny. After three and a half
year process, I finally got in to see the head
doctor at the Kurland Jobe Clinic, which is one of
the top physical therapy clinics in the world. That's where
a lot of the Olympians and professional athletes go. You
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hear about the big star athletes having surgery, it's always
someone there that's doing it. And I was so excited
because I thought, Wow, I've been in so much pain,
my life's have been so difficult. This guy will know
what to do. And I was so excited. I remember
I was like putting excess on my calendar. It was
like waiting to get my driver's license. I was so excited.
And I remember I went in to see him and
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he had all my medical records and he just looked
at him and looked at me and said, well, I'm
sorry some but there's nothing are no doctor can do here.
You're always going to be in pain and can never
be able to work again. And I was stunned because
that's not what I expected. I expected some treatment, a surgery,
go get acupuncture. I had no idea what to expect,
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but it was something. But instead he told me that
he was going to recommend me for lifetime disability because
he felt no matter how much treatment I got, there
was no chance I could ever recover. There was no
chance i'd ever be out of pain or I could
ever work a normal job. And that was devastating. And
when I went to go tell my best friend and
business partner, I figured he'd be all, Brent, hang in there,
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we'll get through this together. I got your back. Nope,
just the opposite. It turned out he had been secretly
dating the woman I was crazy in love with, and
he used the problem with my health as an opportunity.
And it's a whole long drama we don't have to
get into, but there was forged documents and all this
stuff that he used that as an excuse to push
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me out and turned around and sold the website company
for millions of dollars behind my back. Oh my god.
And that was something that was built up. That was
my talent, my blood, my sweat, my tears went into
that company and he got all the money. And so
that was really what they call it, dark Knight of
the Soul, a total wipeout. Everything was wrong. I was
in terrible chronic pain. I couldn't work, I had no money,
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I was living with my parents. I'd been told by
the best doctors there was no chance of recovery, that
I was just wasting my time, and I had been
sent home to die at twenty seven years old? Isn't
that crazy? Awful? And at first I spiraled, which I
think is understandable. I started day drinking, I was using drugs,
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engaging in dangerous behavior. I was suicidal that minimum. I
had a big death wish. But I was very lucky
that I had a friend turned me on to positive thinking,
and he said, hey, Brent, you know, when life's really
got you down, positive thinking can helped turn it around.
And long story short, I became like total gung ho
positive thinking warrior for about six months. You know, I
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go to seminars and jump on the stage and make
my vision board and all the stuff we've seen from
the secret. But it didn't help. It was so frustrating.
It didn't help me at all. So I gave up
on positive thinking. And then I got into alternative medicine.
And when I was first into alternative medicine, I thought, hey,
maybe this will do the trick, you know, And so
(07:31):
long story short, I started running up a gigantic credit
card debt running around doing all this alternative medicine. I
went to Chinese doctors and got acupuncture and herbs. I
went to Homeopass, and I went to Ostia Pass and
got adjustments and spiritual chiropractors, and I did cleanses, and
I did these special diets, and I had these chi
machines and vibration machines and magnets and all this crazy stuff.
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And so long story short, I spent about five years
essentially as a fault time patient, living on my disability benefits,
running up a huge credit card debt, trying to get better,
and I didn't. It's not that I didn't get better,
I kept getting worse and no one understood it. And
I learned many years later, years, many years later, I
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learned I had chronic lime disease. That was part of it.
I'd also been suffering from chemical poisoning from aspartain that
had really done a number on my nervous system. So
there were reasons why I was in so much pain,
but no one could find them. And this went on
for five years until I really hit rock bottom, and
that's when I had I agreed to have an experimental surgery.
I was desperate to work with any doctor that would
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have me, because I would I wanted to do anything
to get out of pain. And he thought he had
this experimental surgery that could help me, and long story short,
I went and had the surgery and I woke up
in my right armor was paralyzed, and so that was
really kind of rock bottom. With one arm, it really
wasn't safe for me to drive. I struggled just to
feed myself. I had tried a whole bunch of different
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things try to get my arm to move. They did manipulations,
They put me in splints, and nothing helped. I had
a second operation which didn't really help. They put me
in a CPM machine, which is this big hydraulic monster
to force your limb to move. It was a nightmare.
And it was about six months after that this problem
had happened with my arm that my aunt Lauren had
told me about this woman. Her name was Terry, and
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Terry and my aunt Lauren had worked together for years
and Terry had had her own major health crisis and
she almost died and she found this process of alternative
medicine using something about the subconscious mind and theda brain
waves that not only had saved her life, but she
was so excited about it she was quitting her corporate
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job to be a full time healer. And at first
when I heard that, I laughed. I thought, oh wow,
this lady's really gone off the deep end of the
New age pool, right, why would you do that? But anyhow,
my aunt kept bugging me and she's like, Brent, you
got to see Terry. You got to see Terry. And
I was like, no, Lauren, it's I'm not going to help.
I bend to raiki healers and pronuic healers and done
all this crazy stuff and ran up this big debt
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and nothing works for me. And so we had this
back and forth, and eventually she said, okay, Brent, I'll
tell you what you go see Terry. Number one, I
will pay for it, and number two, i'll take you
out to lunch. I thought about it. I'm like, all right,
I got nothing else going on. I'll take you up
on that. And so that's the only reason I went
to see her. To me, I just saw it as
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a free lunch. And so I went to see Terry.
She talked to me a little about the power of
the subconscious and said that it was something in my
subconscious that was causing my arm to be frozen. And
that seemed like a big claim, but I was like,
all right, what do we do with this? And I
remember she asked me a lot of questions about my
childhood and what had happened with my best friend and
all the pain i'd been in and all the millions
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of dollars i'd lost, and I remember it was all
very interesting. But the whole time, I'm kind of thinking, Okay, lady,
it's all well and good to talk about our feelings,
but that's not really why I'm here. I'm here because
I can't move my arm and I'm in a lot
of pain. That's all I cared about. And of course
at the time, I didn't see the connection between all
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the emotional and the physical. And so the end of
our session she was doing this subconscious block clearing thing
and it was all kind of interesting. And at the
end of our session she said, okay, dear, let's heal
your arm now. And I'm thinking, yeah, lady, you and
what army? Right? And so I'm just looking out the window,
thinking about what I want to have for lunch, and
I remember Terry went into this trance. She closed her
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eyes and kind of went quiet for about thirty seconds,
and it was the weirdest thing. She's in the middle
of doing some healing trance and I felt this loud
crack and pop in my arm. It was like a
little firecracker went off, and I remember it when boom,
and I remember I said something like WHOA. I couldn't
believe it. And I remember Terry opened her eyes and
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she's like, Okay, let's try your arm now. And I
went to move my arm and I couldn't believe it,
but I got my arm back that she had done
something to me with this energy healing that had undone
the side effects of the surgery. And you know, I
liked how you said in the intro. It wasn't just
a turning point in my health. It was a turning
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point in my entire life. It was everything you know.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, and and if you don't mind, you know, just
because I I used to have a roommate years ago,
whoo who was it? He went to MIT and you know,
got his master's from MIT and also had a bunch
of friends from MIT. And let's be honest, they're not
the most fun at a party. I've been with. These
guys who were all kind of a little nerdy, most
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of them were atheists, didn't believe in anything other than
the numbers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Science, math, logic, data.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Was that where you were until this point.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It was pretty much as you have. Yeah, the only
thing it's interesting. It was my study of science that
kept my mind open. That I had studied science, especially
more advanced and what I learned from studying relativity and
quantum physics in particular, is the universe is a far
stranger place than most of us realize, and a lot
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of what we accept is truth is just our familiar experience,
and it's ironic. People will often ask me to go, Brent,
do I have to believe in anything for this to
work for me? Do I have to believe in God?
Or do I have to go to church? What I
would say is this, you don't have to believe in
any particular theology or idea of God for healing to
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work for you. You do, though, have to believe it's possible, okay.
And what I had learned from my study of physics
was the world is so bizarre, so strange, that to
rule anything out as impossible would really be quite shortsighted
and ignorant. So when I went into my first healing session,
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I did not expect it would help me. I'm the
first to admit that, but I did have an idea
that such a thing could be possible, even though I
would have argued against it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So science doesn't back it up. I mean, how do
you know?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Actually it does if we take a broad view of science. Okay,
because what I like to look at is this is
that science is not about technology. It's not about fancy labs.
It's not about degrees or guys in white coats. Science
is about making a prediction and then experimenting to verify it.
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Science is really about the scientific method. And has there
been scientific research into things like this? The answer is yes,
there hasn't been a lot, and it hasn't been very
well funded, but there have been some experiments, such as
the research into mass prayer is very interesting that it
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tells us quite clearly. The data is crystal clear that
there is a mathematical formula for the number of people
you need to affect a group, and so there has
been some scientific inquiry into this. But we're at the
place where most of the of the science done around
things like energy healing is very low quality. That makes sense.
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What it comes down to is there has to be
en a profit motive for companies to put up the
money to do the research. It's really expensive to do research.
You would think the simplest study will cost you millions
of dollars. So are there theories that can fully explain
what I call the science of miracles? Yes, there absolutely are,
but we need to put a lot more emphasis in
terms of priority, time, budget focus if we actually want
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to drag energy healing into the realm of science. So
is there science that supports this, Absolutely, But is it
something you're going to see in a mainstream publication. Not yet.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But it sounds like you get connected with the right
person too. I know a lot of people who have
done or do perform energy healing or that go to healers,
and they don't have that kind of an experience that
sounds almost supernatural. It's so incredible. And it's not to
say I believe at one hundred percent. I believe you,
but it's an incredible experience that you know, not everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, And I want to be clear to everyone that
if you work with me or someone that does something
like this, I can't guarantee you'll have a life changing miracle.
That's not how it works. I also want to be
clear to everyone that it's not like all my problems
got solved in that hour. That I still had terrible
chronic pain, depression, back pain, issues with my neck. None
of that healed instantly. The only thing that healed instantly
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was my arm being paralyzed by the surgery. So it
was just the one thing that healed instantly. The rest
of the problems were still there that took me years
to work through.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, did you continue to go to her?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I did. I worked. I worked with Terry until she
passed away. I was around twenty thirteen, so she's passed.
And it was funny that when I first started my journey,
I thought learning healing would be easy because I looked
at my background. I'm like, hey, I had straight AIDS
and the most difficult major at the most competitive university
on the planet. How hard can it be to learn
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how to do some woo woo? And it's funny that
when I started my journey, I figured it would take
me six months to master all It only ended up
taking more like fifteen years because the rabbit hole ran
much deeper than I expected. Sure, yes, sure.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So how did your family and friends react to this?
You know, not just the arm. But this transition for you.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know, one of the greatest things, greatest gifts I've gotten,
was seeing when I think it was Thanksgiving dinner the
year that the healing had happened in my arm, because
the surgery was in February, the instant healing was in July,
and I started the training in September, so by October
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Terror was a friend of the family, and I had
seen her before Thanksgiving, Christmas dinners, things like that, and
I remember my mother going over to her in tears
and grabbing her and hugging her, saying thank you for
giving my son his life back. So it was. It
was huge in it. When I first told my mother
about it, she thought I had joined a cult, which
I think it's got a fuddy because I actually got
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drawn into a cult when I was in college. I
escaped I did, so I know way too much about cults.
But my mother thought I had joined a cult. And
then when she saw that I could move my arm,
and that I was starting to get better and I
had now some not only a vision and a possibility,
but a path to reclaim my life, she was all
for it.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I bet, yeah, I bet. Can you speak a little
bit about movement feedback. Is it holography, Yeah, I like
pronounce it movement feedback holography, holography. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And so up to this point we focused on what
I call the first big miracle, well, when my elbow
instantly healed. But one of the reasons I call this
process the formula for miracles is it's not just one
good thing that's going to happen to you. There's going
to be a lot of amazing things that happened to you.
And when I was on my journey, the short version is,
by working with Terry, I was able to reclaim a
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lot of my physical health. I was able to get
probably eighty percent better, which was night and day different.
So by working with Terry doing what we call the
second gen work, working with the subconscious, one line at
a time, I was able to reduce my pain significantly.
I was able to start exercising. I was able to
start dating, I was able to come off disability. I
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was able to start a company, start teaching and practicing healing.
Like Terry, I was able to make money. I started
to pay off my credit card debt, started to invest
So it was huge and how it affected me. But
here's the thing I want to emphasize to everyone. The
work we did was really important in helping my life
move forward, but it left the me on the inside intact.
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It wasn't changing this me that was up there on
the inside, and about five years later, my whole life credit. Well,
we'll spare everyone most of the drama, but there was
a woman that broke my heart that I was again
crazy in love with that led me to disaster. I'm
sure I'm the only man that's happened to you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Right, I can't think of anyone else. Yeah, I can't
think of anyone else.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
But more importantly, I had started to make money and
I had hired what I thought was a great financial advisor.
Turned out the guy was a criminal, and he stole
over fifty five million from over three hundred people, including me.
And so not only did he steal all the money
I'd given him to manage, he also took out fraudulent
loans in my name and was using them as leverage
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to you know, fund some some Ponzi scheme. And so
that was really difficult because when I realized what was happening,
I went to an accountant and he looked through everything
and he said, Brent, you're over a million dollars a debt.
Do you realize that? And he told me the only
way out was bankruptcy. And that was very painful because again,
I'd put so much work into recovering my life. I've
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been such a de pit and I remember that when
I went bankrupt it really felt like it was game over.
That you know, it had been ten years since I
had been told by the doctor i'd never work again.
It had been five years since I've had the miracle
with Terry, and I lost all of my money and
ended up viewed deep in a hole. And it's funny.
I met Carl Wolfe, the man I considered my late mentor,
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the day after I declared bankruptcy. And here's the thing
that the traditional healing I had done with Terry is
really powerful stuff, and it's exactly the tools I would
use if I had some physical or emotional issue with
me or my family. But there's a lot of things
it cannot do.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
That.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It cannot increase your presence, it cannot wake you up spiritually,
and it doesn't change this you that's living on the inside.
And when I met Carl, it was really an eye
opener because I had gotten referred to him by my
life coach because he had told me, Brent, you're such
a head case. I don't know what to do with you.
So me up the food chain of the master. And
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when I had my first session with Carl, he told
me meet me by the roller blade rental station on
Venice Beach and I was like, what that didn't make
a lot of sense, right, I expected energy healing. I
expected a Buddhist statue and a bead curtain and maybe
some waterworth cucumber in it. Wasn't expecting Venice Beach, but anyhow,
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and so I met Carl and he told me to
rent roller blades, and I rented the roller blades and
put them on, and then he spent about twenty minutes
videotaping me while I rollerbladed around the parking lot. And
again this all seemed very odd, as I'm like, I'm
here for a healing session. Why is this guy happened
me rollerblade right? And after we finished with the skating,
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I remember we sat in his truck and he had
a little portable VCR and he played the tape and
he watched the videotape of me rollerblading and just kind
of criticized me. And he was telling me, oh, you're
leaking energy here, and you can't feel your right arm here,
and you're out of relationship here, and honestly, was just
a bunch of criticism. And I went home and I
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actually felt really upset. I felt I had been ripped
off because I remember telling my life coach, Dude, you know,
I spent my last five hundred dollars pre bankruptcy at
your request, and paid some old guy to criticize how
I rollerblade. How the heck is that going to help me? Right?
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And I remember he said, Brent, I get it. Carl's
out there. The movement work is different than anything you've seen.
He said, do me a favor, give it three weeks.
And he said, if three weeks passes and you really
feel you've got nothing out of the session, let me know.
We'll see if we can make it right. And I
remember talking to him, marked down on my calendar, all right,
three weeks out, call him back. Chew was butt off,
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get my money back. But the crazy thing was, after
doing this movement with Carl, this rollerblading, I started making money,
like I never had before. It was the weird thing
that it didn't even take three weeks. It took three
days that on Monday, I declared bankruptcy. On Tuesday, I
had my first movement session with Carl and by Thursday
night I had over fifty thousand dollars in the bank
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and I had never seen anything like that. What is
the connection? What is the connect?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I mean I can see the healing on the body
right where the arm, but right, what is the connection?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
That's why this is so strange. Yeah, it didn't make
any sense to me. And the way I would describe
it is I see self improvement as technology that if
we look at something like the law of attraction or
the Secret, I would call that well first generation technology
simple positive thinking, masterminds, mantras, vision boards, things like that.
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When I started working with Terry and she knew how
to directly change my subconscious, that's what I would call
the second generation. That basically, your first generation self improvement
is your usual positive thinking, the secret, the law of attraction.
In the second generation, then we get into things like
hypnosis that can change the subconscious. So you get processes
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like NLP or psych K or a motion code or
healing code that have these different ways sometimes you tap
on the body or say mantras or different ways of
shifting the energy. And I had found that very useful
for physical healing. But what Carl did with me was
an entire level beyond anything I'd seen before. And you've
got to remember when I first had my first movement
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session with Carl. It's not like I was fresh off
the new age boat. I had been a full time
professional healer for five years at that point. I had
hundreds of my own clients, I had seen hundreds of
incredible results. I had taught hundreds of classes. I mean,
I could go on and on, So it's not like
I was new to it. But it didn't make any
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sense to me. And what it comes down to is
the very short version. Carl introduced me to a whole
other level of the work that I had never seen
before that changes the EU on the inside. Through this
process of watching people move their physical bodies and beaming
them with a certain meditative energy and then giving feedback
(26:08):
on the movements, there's a really powerful internal reprocessing that occurs.
And if I had another hour, I could talk, I
could talk all through it. Yeah, but yeah, one that
would probably bore the people that aren't into all the
technical details like me, and two not necessary to fully
understand it right right. It was a whole other level
of the work, involving a meditative aspect and physical movement
(26:31):
that is designed really to increase what we might call
your presence, your charisma, how much you are in the now.
And that's how it triggered this huge shift in my business.
It was changing me.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It was a change in you.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yep, Yeah, it was that simple.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
How has that experience influenced how you work with people? Now?
Do you have similar ways?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Do you do? Yeah? I did. It was funny that
when I was first, when I first Carl, I was
working on creating my own modality and I had been
working on it for years, and when I experienced the
work from Carl, that all stopped and I went right
back to the drawing board. And so what I would
(27:15):
say is, I'm going to make a little distinction for
everyone between what's metaphysical and what's spiritual. That the metaphysical
work is learning how to use the invisible forces. So
learning how to harness the power of the subconscious intuition
would be metaphysical learning how to clear space, how to
bless your food, manifesting, mind power processes, energy healing. These
(27:36):
are all specific techniques and processes that use the unseen
forces of the world to create results. But there's nothing
really spiritual about it. So almost all of the law
of attraction and energy healing and hypnosis work you see
out there has good metaphysics, but there's nothing spiritual about it.
(27:56):
Carl's work is, in addition to being powerfully metaphysical through
the movement, is also spiritual in that we're constantly asking
what is this you upping your head? Where does that
come from, what is its nature? How does it work?
And what I would say the difference is that most
people are people that come to the self improvement world
(28:18):
just want to be told what to do to get
what they want. And I was like that too when
I first came to this world. There's nothing wrong with that.
That's how we are as human nature. Right, I'm in pain,
I want to not be in pain. Do something to me, Right,
I want to make more money. I don't know how
to do that. Do something to me, And so that's
the metaphysical aspect, But the spiritual is touching on what
(28:39):
is this awareness? On the inside. And that is probably
the best short answer I can give. That Carl's work
didn't just change how my body felt or how much
money I made. It shifted what I think of as
me in the middle of all this, and that change
has enormous ramifications. And you know, for a lot of
(29:01):
this stuff, I wouldn't have believed it either had I
not lived through this. If me and everyone I know
hadn't seen me not be able to move my arm
for almost six months and then all of a sudden,
one day, boom, it started working, I'm not sure I
would have believed it either if I hadn't lived through it.
Same thing with Carl. When I met Carl, I was bankrupt.
I really thought I could never make money again. I
(29:24):
had no idea I was just minutes away from this
incredible shift.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, And really, I also want to be honest with everyone.
Just want to be clear, just because you've experienced miracles
doesn't mean your life is perfect. We all have challenges.
Both of my master teachers I've discussed today, both Terror
and Carl, both passed away. So none of us lives forever,
none of us has a perfect life. And because I
don't want people to get the idea that oh, Brant
(29:50):
can bang you with his magic wand and then everything
in my life will be exactly how I want it.
As far as I know, there is nothing like that.
But there are techniques since gools of study that can
produce enormous benefits to your life. And to give a
sense of how weird the third generation work is the
Movement the Beaming, what we call the Carl Stuff, as
(30:10):
a letter from Carl Wolf. When I first learned healing
from Terry, it took me one and a half years
from my first session until I was teaching it with Carl.
It took me seven years. Yes, because it was so
weird and so different.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I've never heard anything I like it. I mean, I've
never heard anything like that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I had not either, and I still feel to this
day incredibly blessed that I came across this man and
that he taught me all this really weird stuff, because
I never could have figured it out on my own.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Well, I think that people listening to this are going
to feel incredibly blessed that they came upon this interview,
because I find it to be one of the most
engaging and fascinating conversations that I've had doing this show.
You know, honestly, it's just absolutely fascinating. You've performed over
twenty fives and private sessions. I think you said and
witnessed nearly two thousand instant healings. So is there one
(31:05):
that stands out for you that just gives you chills?
I mean, the one that yours gives me chills.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But eat up. I'll tell you the one that gives
me chills was my son. And this wasn't just me.
This was a group healing I did with Carl, with
Carl Wolf my mentor very long story short, when my
wife was pregnant with our son, she had a silent
bleed at twenty two weeks and she almost died and
I had to rush her to the hospital in the
middle of the night, and the doctors told me that
odds were that they would both die, and I remember
(31:33):
we called Carl, woke up in the middle of the night.
He came out to the hospital. We did a group
healing process on her, and the doctors were amazed. They
told me that they expected her and the baby to die,
but that something strange happened and the tear in the
womb had somehow sealed itself up and it refilled with fluid,
and none of the doctors or nurses had ever seen
(31:53):
anything like that happen before, and so it was still
a rough pregnancy, but instead out of being forced into
labor at twenty two weeks, which is incredibly dangerous even
at the best nephews in the world, our son stayed
into thirty two weeks and that's a pretty you know,
that's a pretty safe time to have a baby. So
the one that still gives me chills and still wakes
(32:14):
me up in the middle of the night is that one,
because that was my wife and son. And it's hard
for me to relate what it's like to have a
doctor tell you that your wife and son will probably
be dead before you seem to see them again.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, But thank God for Carl and his magic. And
there was some magic to him, you know. And it's
crazy that when I first met Carl, he told me
later I was more stuck in my head than anyone
he had ever met in his entire life. Isn't that amazing?
And ten years later I became the only person he's
(32:48):
ever given permission to teach and practice this work. Really,
so I was the most unlikely of students.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
If you had asked Carl after my first session when
I rollerblading, hey, is this the guy that's going to
pick up your torch and carry it for you when
you're gone, he probably would have laughed you out of
the room. Yeah, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
The awakening dynamics and the formula for miracles? Was that his?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Or is that that? That's mine?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That is yours?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Really? What I did was I took the best of
all the conventional modalities out there, things people would be
familiar with, like emotion codes and healing codes and NLP.
And it took me a lot of years, but I
synthesized the metaphysics and the spirituality together to create one
coherent framework to teach people both. And I would say
(33:40):
I have a very different angle and approach than most
that I'm not your typical new ager. You're not going
to see me wearing a lot of robes, or there's
no Buddhist statue or be curtain here. I have no
problem with those things. That's just not me. I'm an engineer.
I solve problems. Yeah. Yeah, So for people that are
serious about facing their darkness and digging deep on the
(34:02):
inside to make changes in your life. I'm the one
you need. There's no one that can work with us
the way I can. At the same time, I'm not
for everyone. I'll warn everyone. I am intense, I work quickly.
I don't have a lot of patience for nonsense or
time wasting because I see everyone as a puzzle to
help solve, to help them bring out the inherent self.
(34:25):
And it's crazy because what I found were doing Carl's
work is whatever you're naturally wired to be. If you
would simply surrender and be that which you are, you'll
do great. But we have we're so screwed up in
our heads. We all have this mythological character we've created,
and we're trying to force the world around us to
accept this narrative. And we wonder why we struggle, you know, yep.
(34:49):
So I would say, one, if you're not a head case,
if you don't think too much, I may not be
the right teacher for you.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's my special a head case, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
My specialty is people but have too much education, that
think too much, that are struggling because you've been lied
to about your life we've all been fed this live.
If you're a good little boy a good little girl,
and you grow up and listen to your parents and
do well in school, that you'll be rewarded with a
good life. That's a bunch of onsets. My goal is
(35:18):
to connect with people that really want to make a
serious improvement and are willing to spend the time, the focus,
the energy, the money to do so. Because again, I
can't promise you'll have a life changing miracle in the
first hour. It's happened, It's happened plenty of times. But
what I'm about is, let's find out what's really going
on deep inside of you. I see every person as
(35:40):
being like a pilot computer software. The subconscious is nothing
more than software. Is your psychology did this. There's a
lot of psychology and the main system that Terry had
learned and taught it was based on neuroacoustic programming NLP
and Carl wolfstuff. Psychologically was he was very much a
student of Joseph Campbell and Carl You. So there is
(36:01):
a lot of psychology to it, though the psychology stays
pretty low level. In other words, we have a little
bit of framework and vocabulary. We work with, but for
the most part, we don't spend too much time on
it because we're interested in the true nature of the self.
What is this you that's uping your head? How does
it work? What separates you from everything that is not you?
(36:26):
That's the spiritual piece, and that ultimately we all come
to this world for the metaphysics, because who doesn't want
to be able to clear a few blocks and make
an extra five thousand dollars a year. That sounds good, right,
Can we do that? Of course we can do that.
Who doesn't have level three pain that you want to
reduce it down to a level one? Of course you do.
(36:49):
So we come for the metaphysics, but we stay for
the spirituality. And what I found is people come to
me because they want to learn the techniques to understand
the truth. And that's what I'm here for. I'm here
to tell you the truth. But what's funny is people
come for the knowledge, but they stay for the community.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And that's so there's a community.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
There's absolutely a community, and long term, that's probably the
most important thing to me, is to keep the community
thriving because none of us can do this on our own.
And the only reason I was able to make the
shifts I've made and create the progress I have in
my life is because people before me, like Tera and Carl,
gave me the opportunity, gave me the tools, ran the
(37:30):
practice groups, ran the sessions, ran the seminars, And that's
what I'm trying to do now to create communit I
do work almost entirely.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Virtually, Okay, So people can be anywhere.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
People can be aware anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
They don't have to be in Venice Beach writing a
pair of rolles games.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I'm actually in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Now, well you are in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
But I only do in person sessions from a most
advanced students. So once or twice a year I will
have a small group out and we because there are
some things you have to be in the same room
to do, okay, But other than that, ninety eight ninety
nine percent of what I do is online.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Could Terry have healed your arm virtually?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Do you think? Or did that absolutely?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
In person?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, so that can be done virtually. Yeah, fascinating. So
what's the first step you'd encourage people to take today
if they're feeling stuck.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, I would say the most important thing is head
to my website at Awakening Dynamics dot com and there's
a couple of great resources there for people that want
to learn more. Now, for people that want to learn
more kick the tires a little bit, I'd encourage you
to go to my YouTube channel. There's a link to
it right on my main page of my website. That's
a great way to get to know a little more
(38:38):
about me and the work. I got a couple hundred
videos there, go nuts for people that feel that this
might be a good fit for them, and I'll ask
please only do this if you're serious. What I'm going
to offer is for every single person listening here watching
the show, I'm going to give you twenty minutes with
me for free because I want to determine if you're
(38:59):
a good fit for this work. And so we'll do
a twenty minute discovery call. I'll ask you a couple
simple questions about you. Know, what is your goal, what's
your challenge, what resources do you have to get there?
What have you tried before? And my goal in the
twenty minute call is to get to know little about
you because if you would come to me twenty years ago,
I just wanted to have as many clients and students
(39:20):
as I could, you know, more people, more money, more change.
What I've learned is that's not how it works. I
have to be rather defensive of who I let into
the community because having one wrong person can wipe out
the whole thing. So that's why I'm willing to spend
my time with everyone upfront to ensure there's a good
(39:40):
fit before any big amount of time or money is spent,
because I only want to work with people that I
feel are really going to get the big results, and
not everyone is there. Because again I'm intense, I work
very quickly. I have no patience for nonsense or time wasting.
I'm here to solve the problem. If that's you, I
will be a breath of fresh air. One of the
(40:03):
things people love about my videos and my training says
the very fast paced. I'm not going to say the
same thing two hundred different times in different ways to
fill a week in No. My goal is here's the problem,
here's the solution. This is what we do, and if
you're willing to face your darkness, if you're willing to
get uncomfortable, I can guide you back into the light.
(40:26):
But it's very much like what I found working with addicts.
Can I help people get off addictions? Of course, but
they have to really want to change, that's true. So
like one time I had a client come to me,
one of my regular clients. He goes, Brent, I'm a smoker.
I don't want to quit. I just want to cut
down a little bit. And I was like, yeah, it's
(40:47):
not how it works. Right. When you're ready to quit
and you're serious about this, let me know. And so
all of our lives are like that. If you're really
serious about making the shift and you're willing to go
into the darkness and be uncomfortable, I'm here to guide
you through it. But if you just want everything to
stay as it is and you're not willing to do
the work or get uncomfortable, I'm probably not the best choice.
(41:12):
At Heck, if you want someone that's just going to
hug you and tell you it's okay, that's not me.
I'm going to tell you what the problem is and
how we solve it. That's why I say for some people,
I'm a huge breath of fresh air. They love it.
Someone that actually goes in, really listens to you and
finds a solution to what's bothering you. But if you
just want someone to hug you and tell you it's okay,
(41:33):
I'm too expensive, there's plenty of people to charge less
than me. They could do that for you.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Love it, Love it, Brent, Thank you for sharing. I mean,
this really is a remarkable journey, and I know it's
going to resonate with a lot of people. And for
those curious. Again, if you want to experience Brent's work firsthand,
visit his website again, that's Wakening Dynamics dot com. I mean,
I guess you'll find a big button right on the
homepage first x slag webinar too, and you can join
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in his interactive exercises and demonstrations. And as always, I'm
grateful that you've spent this time with us here on
the Night Life Podcast. To learn more about upcoming episodes,
book a reading, or check out my next live event,
visit my website at Mediumscotallen dot com. And if you
found value in today's conversation, please share the episode, leave
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a review, and keep exploring the mysteries of.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Your own journey.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Until next time, keep seeking, keep growing, and remember transformation
is always possible.
It started with a miracle. One moment, Brent Michael's physical
arm was paralyzed, frozen at the elbow. The next after
a single session of energy healing, he watched in disbelief
as his arm came back to light. That moment didn't
just restore his body, it shattered everything he thought he
(00:35):
knew about science, spirit and the limits of human potential.
You say that you cracked the code of consciousness.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I've been told by the best doctors there was no
chance of happening. I couldn't work, I had no money,
I was living with my parents.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I'm Scott Allen, and you're listening to the Enlightened Lighte podcast,
where we explore the mysteries of the soul's journey, healing
and transformation.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Let's get started.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I always liked to spell my interviews by letting everyone know,
oh my gosh, I never thought i'd do anything like this,
as you told me thirty years ago, i'd be teaching
energy healing, helping people to elevate their consciousness and experience miracles.
I would have laughed you out of the room, because
growing up I was pretty much your.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Typical a nerd or indoor kid. We called ourselves at
the time. I loved dungeons and dragons and star wars
and all that kind of stuff. And the one thing
there was a huge passion for me growing up was
video games. I loved all the early video games, you know,
Pac Man, Donkey Kong, Galaga, and so it was always
part of my vision was I wanted to be a
(01:54):
video game developer. That was my drink. And I went
to college at MIT, and that was fascinating because when
I got to MIT, I discovered the Internet. Now, I
know that sounds funny today, but when I got to MIT,
it was still the nineteen eighties and no one had
heard of the Internet. And long story short, I became
an expert in networking technology, went on to graduate school
at MIT, where I was part of the Worldwide Web Consortium.
(02:17):
Me and two guys in my lab we sent the
first ever live synchronized audio video stream over the web
in nineteen ninety four. So we're doing some really cool things.
And I really thought the Internet boom was my gold rush.
So I left MIT, grabbed my best friend, and we
started a website company. And it's kind of funny, did
you know the very first website I ever created was
(02:38):
the website for the launch of the Sunny PlayStation. That
was really that was my very first project, and so
we had a lot of success with the websites. We
did the first website for the Sunny PlayStation, we did
the website for Nissan Motors, we did the Disneyland website.
But my passion was still video games. So we started
a second company to make online games. And that was
(02:58):
really the straw that broke the camel's back that I
was there as the primary coder and visionary for not one,
but two internet startups right at the start of the
Internet boom. And long story short, I was working myself
sixty eighty sometimes one hundred hours a week. It was nuts.
I was just working NonStop because at the time, I figured, well,
(03:19):
I'm willing to sacrifice a couple of years of my
life working because I thought I'd build up the companies
and sell them and make millions of dollars. And my
plan was by the time I was thirty, I wanted
to retire to some tropical island and spent my day's
hot topping with supermodels.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
That was the plan they're working out for you.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, you know, there's that old saying you know the
easiest way to make God laugh. Yeah, just tell me
your plans, right, right, right. So instead of living a
life of luxury and hedonism, I started to have a
lot of pain. It started minor, you know, little a
little bit of stiffness, a little bit of little shooting pain.
But it just built and got worse and worse and
(03:57):
worse to where it got so bad I was in
so much pain I could hardly some days. I went
from working one hundred hours a week to eighty to
sixty to forty two about fifteen. And at first I
didn't panic because I went to doctors, and I figure
the doctors will know what to do, right, and always
taken care of me up to that point. And long
story short, I spent three years in physical therapy and
it just kept setting me for more and more and
(04:18):
more physical therapy and it didn't help at all. It
wasn't just I wasn't getting better. I kept getting worse
and it all blew up in nineteen ninety eight, when
it was kind of funny. After three and a half
year process, I finally got in to see the head
doctor at the Kurland Jobe Clinic, which is one of
the top physical therapy clinics in the world. That's where
a lot of the Olympians and professional athletes go. You
(04:41):
hear about the big star athletes having surgery, it's always
someone there that's doing it. And I was so excited
because I thought, Wow, I've been in so much pain,
my life's have been so difficult. This guy will know
what to do. And I was so excited. I remember
I was like putting excess on my calendar. It was
like waiting to get my driver's license. I was so excited.
And I remember I went in to see him and
(05:03):
he had all my medical records and he just looked
at him and looked at me and said, well, I'm
sorry some but there's nothing are no doctor can do here.
You're always going to be in pain and can never
be able to work again. And I was stunned because
that's not what I expected. I expected some treatment, a surgery,
go get acupuncture. I had no idea what to expect,
(05:24):
but it was something. But instead he told me that
he was going to recommend me for lifetime disability because
he felt no matter how much treatment I got, there
was no chance I could ever recover. There was no
chance i'd ever be out of pain or I could
ever work a normal job. And that was devastating. And
when I went to go tell my best friend and
business partner, I figured he'd be all, Brent, hang in there,
(05:46):
we'll get through this together. I got your back. Nope,
just the opposite. It turned out he had been secretly
dating the woman I was crazy in love with, and
he used the problem with my health as an opportunity.
And it's a whole long drama we don't have to
get into, but there was forged documents and all this
stuff that he used that as an excuse to push
(06:07):
me out and turned around and sold the website company
for millions of dollars behind my back. Oh my god.
And that was something that was built up. That was
my talent, my blood, my sweat, my tears went into
that company and he got all the money. And so
that was really what they call it, dark Knight of
the Soul, a total wipeout. Everything was wrong. I was
in terrible chronic pain. I couldn't work, I had no money,
(06:30):
I was living with my parents. I'd been told by
the best doctors there was no chance of recovery, that
I was just wasting my time, and I had been
sent home to die at twenty seven years old? Isn't
that crazy? Awful? And at first I spiraled, which I
think is understandable. I started day drinking, I was using drugs,
(06:50):
engaging in dangerous behavior. I was suicidal that minimum. I
had a big death wish. But I was very lucky
that I had a friend turned me on to positive thinking,
and he said, hey, Brent, you know, when life's really
got you down, positive thinking can helped turn it around.
And long story short, I became like total gung ho
positive thinking warrior for about six months. You know, I
(07:11):
go to seminars and jump on the stage and make
my vision board and all the stuff we've seen from
the secret. But it didn't help. It was so frustrating.
It didn't help me at all. So I gave up
on positive thinking. And then I got into alternative medicine.
And when I was first into alternative medicine, I thought, hey,
maybe this will do the trick, you know, And so
(07:31):
long story short, I started running up a gigantic credit
card debt running around doing all this alternative medicine. I
went to Chinese doctors and got acupuncture and herbs. I
went to Homeopass, and I went to Ostia Pass and
got adjustments and spiritual chiropractors, and I did cleanses, and
I did these special diets, and I had these chi
machines and vibration machines and magnets and all this crazy stuff.
(07:55):
And so long story short, I spent about five years
essentially as a fault time patient, living on my disability benefits,
running up a huge credit card debt, trying to get better,
and I didn't. It's not that I didn't get better,
I kept getting worse and no one understood it. And
I learned many years later, years, many years later, I
(08:16):
learned I had chronic lime disease. That was part of it.
I'd also been suffering from chemical poisoning from aspartain that
had really done a number on my nervous system. So
there were reasons why I was in so much pain,
but no one could find them. And this went on
for five years until I really hit rock bottom, and
that's when I had I agreed to have an experimental surgery.
I was desperate to work with any doctor that would
(08:37):
have me, because I would I wanted to do anything
to get out of pain. And he thought he had
this experimental surgery that could help me, and long story short,
I went and had the surgery and I woke up
in my right armor was paralyzed, and so that was
really kind of rock bottom. With one arm, it really
wasn't safe for me to drive. I struggled just to
feed myself. I had tried a whole bunch of different
(08:59):
things try to get my arm to move. They did manipulations,
They put me in splints, and nothing helped. I had
a second operation which didn't really help. They put me
in a CPM machine, which is this big hydraulic monster
to force your limb to move. It was a nightmare.
And it was about six months after that this problem
had happened with my arm that my aunt Lauren had
told me about this woman. Her name was Terry, and
(09:22):
Terry and my aunt Lauren had worked together for years
and Terry had had her own major health crisis and
she almost died and she found this process of alternative
medicine using something about the subconscious mind and theda brain
waves that not only had saved her life, but she
was so excited about it she was quitting her corporate
(09:43):
job to be a full time healer. And at first
when I heard that, I laughed. I thought, oh wow,
this lady's really gone off the deep end of the
New age pool, right, why would you do that? But anyhow,
my aunt kept bugging me and she's like, Brent, you
got to see Terry. You got to see Terry. And
I was like, no, Lauren, it's I'm not going to help.
I bend to raiki healers and pronuic healers and done
all this crazy stuff and ran up this big debt
(10:05):
and nothing works for me. And so we had this
back and forth, and eventually she said, okay, Brent, I'll
tell you what you go see Terry. Number one, I
will pay for it, and number two, i'll take you
out to lunch. I thought about it. I'm like, all right,
I got nothing else going on. I'll take you up
on that. And so that's the only reason I went
to see her. To me, I just saw it as
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a free lunch. And so I went to see Terry.
She talked to me a little about the power of
the subconscious and said that it was something in my
subconscious that was causing my arm to be frozen. And
that seemed like a big claim, but I was like,
all right, what do we do with this? And I
remember she asked me a lot of questions about my
childhood and what had happened with my best friend and
all the pain i'd been in and all the millions
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of dollars i'd lost, and I remember it was all
very interesting. But the whole time, I'm kind of thinking, Okay, lady,
it's all well and good to talk about our feelings,
but that's not really why I'm here. I'm here because
I can't move my arm and I'm in a lot
of pain. That's all I cared about. And of course
at the time, I didn't see the connection between all
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the emotional and the physical. And so the end of
our session she was doing this subconscious block clearing thing
and it was all kind of interesting. And at the
end of our session she said, okay, dear, let's heal
your arm now. And I'm thinking, yeah, lady, you and
what army? Right? And so I'm just looking out the window,
thinking about what I want to have for lunch, and
I remember Terry went into this trance. She closed her
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eyes and kind of went quiet for about thirty seconds,
and it was the weirdest thing. She's in the middle
of doing some healing trance and I felt this loud
crack and pop in my arm. It was like a
little firecracker went off, and I remember it when boom,
and I remember I said something like WHOA. I couldn't
believe it. And I remember Terry opened her eyes and
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she's like, Okay, let's try your arm now. And I
went to move my arm and I couldn't believe it,
but I got my arm back that she had done
something to me with this energy healing that had undone
the side effects of the surgery. And you know, I
liked how you said in the intro. It wasn't just
a turning point in my health. It was a turning
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point in my entire life. It was everything you know.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, and and if you don't mind, you know, just
because I I used to have a roommate years ago,
whoo who was it? He went to MIT and you know,
got his master's from MIT and also had a bunch
of friends from MIT. And let's be honest, they're not
the most fun at a party. I've been with. These
guys who were all kind of a little nerdy, most
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of them were atheists, didn't believe in anything other than
the numbers.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Science, math, logic, data.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Was that where you were until this point.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
It was pretty much as you have. Yeah, the only
thing it's interesting. It was my study of science that
kept my mind open. That I had studied science, especially
more advanced and what I learned from studying relativity and
quantum physics in particular, is the universe is a far
stranger place than most of us realize, and a lot
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of what we accept is truth is just our familiar experience,
and it's ironic. People will often ask me to go, Brent,
do I have to believe in anything for this to
work for me? Do I have to believe in God?
Or do I have to go to church? What I
would say is this, you don't have to believe in
any particular theology or idea of God for healing to
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work for you. You do, though, have to believe it's possible, okay.
And what I had learned from my study of physics
was the world is so bizarre, so strange, that to
rule anything out as impossible would really be quite shortsighted
and ignorant. So when I went into my first healing session,
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I did not expect it would help me. I'm the
first to admit that, but I did have an idea
that such a thing could be possible, even though I
would have argued against it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So science doesn't back it up. I mean, how do
you know?
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Actually it does if we take a broad view of science. Okay,
because what I like to look at is this is
that science is not about technology. It's not about fancy labs.
It's not about degrees or guys in white coats. Science
is about making a prediction and then experimenting to verify it.
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Science is really about the scientific method. And has there
been scientific research into things like this? The answer is yes,
there hasn't been a lot, and it hasn't been very
well funded, but there have been some experiments, such as
the research into mass prayer is very interesting that it
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tells us quite clearly. The data is crystal clear that
there is a mathematical formula for the number of people
you need to affect a group, and so there has
been some scientific inquiry into this. But we're at the
place where most of the of the science done around
things like energy healing is very low quality. That makes sense.
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What it comes down to is there has to be
en a profit motive for companies to put up the
money to do the research. It's really expensive to do research.
You would think the simplest study will cost you millions
of dollars. So are there theories that can fully explain
what I call the science of miracles? Yes, there absolutely are,
but we need to put a lot more emphasis in
terms of priority, time, budget focus if we actually want
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to drag energy healing into the realm of science. So
is there science that supports this, Absolutely, But is it
something you're going to see in a mainstream publication. Not yet.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But it sounds like you get connected with the right
person too. I know a lot of people who have
done or do perform energy healing or that go to healers,
and they don't have that kind of an experience that
sounds almost supernatural. It's so incredible. And it's not to
say I believe at one hundred percent. I believe you,
but it's an incredible experience that you know, not everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, And I want to be clear to everyone that
if you work with me or someone that does something
like this, I can't guarantee you'll have a life changing miracle.
That's not how it works. I also want to be
clear to everyone that it's not like all my problems
got solved in that hour. That I still had terrible
chronic pain, depression, back pain, issues with my neck. None
of that healed instantly. The only thing that healed instantly
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was my arm being paralyzed by the surgery. So it
was just the one thing that healed instantly. The rest
of the problems were still there that took me years
to work through.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, did you continue to go to her?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
I did. I worked. I worked with Terry until she
passed away. I was around twenty thirteen, so she's passed.
And it was funny that when I first started my journey,
I thought learning healing would be easy because I looked
at my background. I'm like, hey, I had straight AIDS
and the most difficult major at the most competitive university
on the planet. How hard can it be to learn
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how to do some woo woo? And it's funny that
when I started my journey, I figured it would take
me six months to master all It only ended up
taking more like fifteen years because the rabbit hole ran
much deeper than I expected. Sure, yes, sure.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So how did your family and friends react to this?
You know, not just the arm. But this transition for you.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You know, one of the greatest things, greatest gifts I've gotten,
was seeing when I think it was Thanksgiving dinner the
year that the healing had happened in my arm, because
the surgery was in February, the instant healing was in July,
and I started the training in September, so by October
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Terror was a friend of the family, and I had
seen her before Thanksgiving, Christmas dinners, things like that, and
I remember my mother going over to her in tears
and grabbing her and hugging her, saying thank you for
giving my son his life back. So it was. It
was huge in it. When I first told my mother
about it, she thought I had joined a cult, which
I think it's got a fuddy because I actually got
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drawn into a cult when I was in college. I
escaped I did, so I know way too much about cults.
But my mother thought I had joined a cult. And
then when she saw that I could move my arm,
and that I was starting to get better and I
had now some not only a vision and a possibility,
but a path to reclaim my life, she was all
for it.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I bet, yeah, I bet. Can you speak a little
bit about movement feedback. Is it holography, Yeah, I like
pronounce it movement feedback holography, holography. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
And so up to this point we focused on what
I call the first big miracle, well, when my elbow
instantly healed. But one of the reasons I call this
process the formula for miracles is it's not just one
good thing that's going to happen to you. There's going
to be a lot of amazing things that happened to you.
And when I was on my journey, the short version is,
by working with Terry, I was able to reclaim a
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lot of my physical health. I was able to get
probably eighty percent better, which was night and day different.
So by working with Terry doing what we call the
second gen work, working with the subconscious, one line at
a time, I was able to reduce my pain significantly.
I was able to start exercising. I was able to
start dating, I was able to come off disability. I
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was able to start a company, start teaching and practicing healing.
Like Terry, I was able to make money. I started
to pay off my credit card debt, started to invest
So it was huge and how it affected me. But
here's the thing I want to emphasize to everyone. The
work we did was really important in helping my life
move forward, but it left the me on the inside intact.
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It wasn't changing this me that was up there on
the inside, and about five years later, my whole life credit. Well,
we'll spare everyone most of the drama, but there was
a woman that broke my heart that I was again
crazy in love with that led me to disaster. I'm
sure I'm the only man that's happened to you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Right, I can't think of anyone else. Yeah, I can't
think of anyone else.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
But more importantly, I had started to make money and
I had hired what I thought was a great financial advisor.
Turned out the guy was a criminal, and he stole
over fifty five million from over three hundred people, including me.
And so not only did he steal all the money
I'd given him to manage, he also took out fraudulent
loans in my name and was using them as leverage
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to you know, fund some some Ponzi scheme. And so
that was really difficult because when I realized what was happening,
I went to an accountant and he looked through everything
and he said, Brent, you're over a million dollars a debt.
Do you realize that? And he told me the only
way out was bankruptcy. And that was very painful because again,
I'd put so much work into recovering my life. I've
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been such a de pit and I remember that when
I went bankrupt it really felt like it was game over.
That you know, it had been ten years since I
had been told by the doctor i'd never work again.
It had been five years since I've had the miracle
with Terry, and I lost all of my money and
ended up viewed deep in a hole. And it's funny.
I met Carl Wolfe, the man I considered my late mentor,
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the day after I declared bankruptcy. And here's the thing
that the traditional healing I had done with Terry is
really powerful stuff, and it's exactly the tools I would
use if I had some physical or emotional issue with
me or my family. But there's a lot of things
it cannot do.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
That.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It cannot increase your presence, it cannot wake you up spiritually,
and it doesn't change this you that's living on the inside.
And when I met Carl, it was really an eye
opener because I had gotten referred to him by my
life coach because he had told me, Brent, you're such
a head case. I don't know what to do with you.
So me up the food chain of the master. And
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when I had my first session with Carl, he told
me meet me by the roller blade rental station on
Venice Beach and I was like, what that didn't make
a lot of sense, right, I expected energy healing. I
expected a Buddhist statue and a bead curtain and maybe
some waterworth cucumber in it. Wasn't expecting Venice Beach, but anyhow,
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and so I met Carl and he told me to
rent roller blades, and I rented the roller blades and
put them on, and then he spent about twenty minutes
videotaping me while I rollerbladed around the parking lot. And
again this all seemed very odd, as I'm like, I'm
here for a healing session. Why is this guy happened
me rollerblade right? And after we finished with the skating,
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I remember we sat in his truck and he had
a little portable VCR and he played the tape and
he watched the videotape of me rollerblading and just kind
of criticized me. And he was telling me, oh, you're
leaking energy here, and you can't feel your right arm here,
and you're out of relationship here, and honestly, was just
a bunch of criticism. And I went home and I
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actually felt really upset. I felt I had been ripped
off because I remember telling my life coach, Dude, you know,
I spent my last five hundred dollars pre bankruptcy at
your request, and paid some old guy to criticize how
I rollerblade. How the heck is that going to help me? Right?
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And I remember he said, Brent, I get it. Carl's
out there. The movement work is different than anything you've seen.
He said, do me a favor, give it three weeks.
And he said, if three weeks passes and you really
feel you've got nothing out of the session, let me know.
We'll see if we can make it right. And I
remember talking to him, marked down on my calendar, all right,
three weeks out, call him back. Chew was butt off,
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get my money back. But the crazy thing was, after
doing this movement with Carl, this rollerblading, I started making money,
like I never had before. It was the weird thing
that it didn't even take three weeks. It took three
days that on Monday, I declared bankruptcy. On Tuesday, I
had my first movement session with Carl and by Thursday
night I had over fifty thousand dollars in the bank
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and I had never seen anything like that. What is
the connection? What is the connect?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I mean I can see the healing on the body
right where the arm, but right, what is the connection?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
That's why this is so strange. Yeah, it didn't make
any sense to me. And the way I would describe
it is I see self improvement as technology that if
we look at something like the law of attraction or
the Secret, I would call that well first generation technology
simple positive thinking, masterminds, mantras, vision boards, things like that.
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When I started working with Terry and she knew how
to directly change my subconscious, that's what I would call
the second generation. That basically, your first generation self improvement
is your usual positive thinking, the secret, the law of attraction.
In the second generation, then we get into things like
hypnosis that can change the subconscious. So you get processes
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like NLP or psych K or a motion code or
healing code that have these different ways sometimes you tap
on the body or say mantras or different ways of
shifting the energy. And I had found that very useful
for physical healing. But what Carl did with me was
an entire level beyond anything I'd seen before. And you've
got to remember when I first had my first movement
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session with Carl. It's not like I was fresh off
the new age boat. I had been a full time
professional healer for five years at that point. I had
hundreds of my own clients, I had seen hundreds of
incredible results. I had taught hundreds of classes. I mean,
I could go on and on, So it's not like
I was new to it. But it didn't make any
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sense to me. And what it comes down to is
the very short version. Carl introduced me to a whole
other level of the work that I had never seen
before that changes the EU on the inside. Through this
process of watching people move their physical bodies and beaming
them with a certain meditative energy and then giving feedback
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on the movements, there's a really powerful internal reprocessing that occurs.
And if I had another hour, I could talk, I
could talk all through it. Yeah, but yeah, one that
would probably bore the people that aren't into all the
technical details like me, and two not necessary to fully
understand it right right. It was a whole other level
of the work, involving a meditative aspect and physical movement
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that is designed really to increase what we might call
your presence, your charisma, how much you are in the now.
And that's how it triggered this huge shift in my business.
It was changing me.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It was a change in you.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yep, Yeah, it was that simple.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
How has that experience influenced how you work with people? Now?
Do you have similar ways?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Do you do? Yeah? I did. It was funny that
when I was first, when I first Carl, I was
working on creating my own modality and I had been
working on it for years, and when I experienced the
work from Carl, that all stopped and I went right
back to the drawing board. And so what I would
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say is, I'm going to make a little distinction for
everyone between what's metaphysical and what's spiritual. That the metaphysical
work is learning how to use the invisible forces. So
learning how to harness the power of the subconscious intuition
would be metaphysical learning how to clear space, how to
bless your food, manifesting, mind power processes, energy healing. These
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are all specific techniques and processes that use the unseen
forces of the world to create results. But there's nothing
really spiritual about it. So almost all of the law
of attraction and energy healing and hypnosis work you see
out there has good metaphysics, but there's nothing spiritual about it.
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Carl's work is, in addition to being powerfully metaphysical through
the movement, is also spiritual in that we're constantly asking
what is this you upping your head? Where does that
come from, what is its nature? How does it work?
And what I would say the difference is that most
people are people that come to the self improvement world
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just want to be told what to do to get
what they want. And I was like that too when
I first came to this world. There's nothing wrong with that.
That's how we are as human nature. Right, I'm in pain,
I want to not be in pain. Do something to me, Right,
I want to make more money. I don't know how
to do that. Do something to me, And so that's
the metaphysical aspect, But the spiritual is touching on what
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is this awareness? On the inside. And that is probably
the best short answer I can give. That Carl's work
didn't just change how my body felt or how much
money I made. It shifted what I think of as
me in the middle of all this, and that change
has enormous ramifications. And you know, for a lot of
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this stuff, I wouldn't have believed it either had I
not lived through this. If me and everyone I know
hadn't seen me not be able to move my arm
for almost six months and then all of a sudden,
one day, boom, it started working, I'm not sure I
would have believed it either if I hadn't lived through it.
Same thing with Carl. When I met Carl, I was bankrupt.
I really thought I could never make money again. I
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had no idea I was just minutes away from this
incredible shift.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It's incredible.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, And really, I also want to be honest with everyone.
Just want to be clear, just because you've experienced miracles
doesn't mean your life is perfect. We all have challenges.
Both of my master teachers I've discussed today, both Terror
and Carl, both passed away. So none of us lives forever,
none of us has a perfect life. And because I
don't want people to get the idea that oh, Brant
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can bang you with his magic wand and then everything
in my life will be exactly how I want it.
As far as I know, there is nothing like that.
But there are techniques since gools of study that can
produce enormous benefits to your life. And to give a
sense of how weird the third generation work is the
Movement the Beaming, what we call the Carl Stuff, as
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a letter from Carl Wolf. When I first learned healing
from Terry, it took me one and a half years
from my first session until I was teaching it with Carl.
It took me seven years. Yes, because it was so
weird and so different.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
I've never heard anything I like it. I mean, I've
never heard anything like that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I had not either, and I still feel to this
day incredibly blessed that I came across this man and
that he taught me all this really weird stuff, because
I never could have figured it out on my own.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Well, I think that people listening to this are going
to feel incredibly blessed that they came upon this interview,
because I find it to be one of the most
engaging and fascinating conversations that I've had doing this show.
You know, honestly, it's just absolutely fascinating. You've performed over
twenty fives and private sessions. I think you said and
witnessed nearly two thousand instant healings. So is there one
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that stands out for you that just gives you chills?
I mean, the one that yours gives me chills.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
But eat up. I'll tell you the one that gives
me chills was my son. And this wasn't just me.
This was a group healing I did with Carl, with
Carl Wolf my mentor very long story short, when my
wife was pregnant with our son, she had a silent
bleed at twenty two weeks and she almost died and
I had to rush her to the hospital in the
middle of the night, and the doctors told me that
odds were that they would both die, and I remember
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we called Carl, woke up in the middle of the night.
He came out to the hospital. We did a group
healing process on her, and the doctors were amazed. They
told me that they expected her and the baby to die,
but that something strange happened and the tear in the
womb had somehow sealed itself up and it refilled with fluid,
and none of the doctors or nurses had ever seen
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anything like that happen before, and so it was still
a rough pregnancy, but instead out of being forced into
labor at twenty two weeks, which is incredibly dangerous even
at the best nephews in the world, our son stayed
into thirty two weeks and that's a pretty you know,
that's a pretty safe time to have a baby. So
the one that still gives me chills and still wakes
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me up in the middle of the night is that one,
because that was my wife and son. And it's hard
for me to relate what it's like to have a
doctor tell you that your wife and son will probably
be dead before you seem to see them again.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, But thank God for Carl and his magic. And
there was some magic to him, you know. And it's
crazy that when I first met Carl, he told me
later I was more stuck in my head than anyone
he had ever met in his entire life. Isn't that amazing?
And ten years later I became the only person he's
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ever given permission to teach and practice this work. Really,
so I was the most unlikely of students.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
If you had asked Carl after my first session when
I rollerblading, hey, is this the guy that's going to
pick up your torch and carry it for you when
you're gone, he probably would have laughed you out of
the room. Yeah, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
The awakening dynamics and the formula for miracles? Was that his?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Or is that that? That's mine?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That is yours?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Really? What I did was I took the best of
all the conventional modalities out there, things people would be
familiar with, like emotion codes and healing codes and NLP.
And it took me a lot of years, but I
synthesized the metaphysics and the spirituality together to create one
coherent framework to teach people both. And I would say
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I have a very different angle and approach than most
that I'm not your typical new ager. You're not going
to see me wearing a lot of robes, or there's
no Buddhist statue or be curtain here. I have no
problem with those things. That's just not me. I'm an engineer.
I solve problems. Yeah. Yeah, So for people that are
serious about facing their darkness and digging deep on the
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inside to make changes in your life. I'm the one
you need. There's no one that can work with us
the way I can. At the same time, I'm not
for everyone. I'll warn everyone. I am intense, I work quickly.
I don't have a lot of patience for nonsense or
time wasting because I see everyone as a puzzle to
help solve, to help them bring out the inherent self.
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And it's crazy because what I found were doing Carl's
work is whatever you're naturally wired to be. If you
would simply surrender and be that which you are, you'll
do great. But we have we're so screwed up in
our heads. We all have this mythological character we've created,
and we're trying to force the world around us to
accept this narrative. And we wonder why we struggle, you know, yep.
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So I would say, one, if you're not a head case,
if you don't think too much, I may not be
the right teacher for you.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's my special a head case, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
My specialty is people but have too much education, that
think too much, that are struggling because you've been lied
to about your life we've all been fed this live.
If you're a good little boy a good little girl,
and you grow up and listen to your parents and
do well in school, that you'll be rewarded with a
good life. That's a bunch of onsets. My goal is
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to connect with people that really want to make a
serious improvement and are willing to spend the time, the focus,
the energy, the money to do so. Because again, I
can't promise you'll have a life changing miracle in the
first hour. It's happened, It's happened plenty of times. But
what I'm about is, let's find out what's really going
on deep inside of you. I see every person as
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being like a pilot computer software. The subconscious is nothing
more than software. Is your psychology did this. There's a
lot of psychology and the main system that Terry had
learned and taught it was based on neuroacoustic programming NLP
and Carl wolfstuff. Psychologically was he was very much a
student of Joseph Campbell and Carl You. So there is
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a lot of psychology to it, though the psychology stays
pretty low level. In other words, we have a little
bit of framework and vocabulary. We work with, but for
the most part, we don't spend too much time on
it because we're interested in the true nature of the self.
What is this you that's uping your head? How does
it work? What separates you from everything that is not you?
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That's the spiritual piece, and that ultimately we all come
to this world for the metaphysics, because who doesn't want
to be able to clear a few blocks and make
an extra five thousand dollars a year. That sounds good, right,
Can we do that? Of course we can do that.
Who doesn't have level three pain that you want to
reduce it down to a level one? Of course you do.
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So we come for the metaphysics, but we stay for
the spirituality. And what I found is people come to
me because they want to learn the techniques to understand
the truth. And that's what I'm here for. I'm here
to tell you the truth. But what's funny is people
come for the knowledge, but they stay for the community.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And that's so there's a community.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
There's absolutely a community, and long term, that's probably the
most important thing to me, is to keep the community
thriving because none of us can do this on our own.
And the only reason I was able to make the
shifts I've made and create the progress I have in
my life is because people before me, like Tera and Carl,
gave me the opportunity, gave me the tools, ran the
(37:30):
practice groups, ran the sessions, ran the seminars, And that's
what I'm trying to do now to create communit I
do work almost entirely.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Virtually, Okay, So people can be anywhere.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
People can be aware anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
They don't have to be in Venice Beach writing a
pair of rolles games.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I'm actually in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Now, well you are in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
But I only do in person sessions from a most
advanced students. So once or twice a year I will
have a small group out and we because there are
some things you have to be in the same room
to do, okay, But other than that, ninety eight ninety
nine percent of what I do is online.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Could Terry have healed your arm virtually?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Do you think? Or did that absolutely?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
In person?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, so that can be done virtually. Yeah, fascinating. So
what's the first step you'd encourage people to take today
if they're feeling stuck.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, I would say the most important thing is head
to my website at Awakening Dynamics dot com and there's
a couple of great resources there for people that want
to learn more. Now, for people that want to learn
more kick the tires a little bit, I'd encourage you
to go to my YouTube channel. There's a link to
it right on my main page of my website. That's
a great way to get to know a little more
(38:38):
about me and the work. I got a couple hundred
videos there, go nuts for people that feel that this
might be a good fit for them, and I'll ask
please only do this if you're serious. What I'm going
to offer is for every single person listening here watching
the show, I'm going to give you twenty minutes with
me for free because I want to determine if you're
(38:59):
a good fit for this work. And so we'll do
a twenty minute discovery call. I'll ask you a couple
simple questions about you. Know, what is your goal, what's
your challenge, what resources do you have to get there?
What have you tried before? And my goal in the
twenty minute call is to get to know little about
you because if you would come to me twenty years ago,
I just wanted to have as many clients and students
(39:20):
as I could, you know, more people, more money, more change.
What I've learned is that's not how it works. I
have to be rather defensive of who I let into
the community because having one wrong person can wipe out
the whole thing. So that's why I'm willing to spend
my time with everyone upfront to ensure there's a good
(39:40):
fit before any big amount of time or money is spent,
because I only want to work with people that I
feel are really going to get the big results, and
not everyone is there. Because again I'm intense, I work
very quickly. I have no patience for nonsense or time wasting.
I'm here to solve the problem. If that's you, I
will be a breath of fresh air. One of the
(40:03):
things people love about my videos and my training says
the very fast paced. I'm not going to say the
same thing two hundred different times in different ways to
fill a week in No. My goal is here's the problem,
here's the solution. This is what we do, and if
you're willing to face your darkness, if you're willing to
get uncomfortable, I can guide you back into the light.
(40:26):
But it's very much like what I found working with addicts.
Can I help people get off addictions? Of course, but
they have to really want to change, that's true. So
like one time I had a client come to me,
one of my regular clients. He goes, Brent, I'm a smoker.
I don't want to quit. I just want to cut
down a little bit. And I was like, yeah, it's
(40:47):
not how it works. Right. When you're ready to quit
and you're serious about this, let me know. And so
all of our lives are like that. If you're really
serious about making the shift and you're willing to go
into the darkness and be uncomfortable, I'm here to guide
you through it. But if you just want everything to
stay as it is and you're not willing to do
the work or get uncomfortable, I'm probably not the best choice.
(41:12):
At Heck, if you want someone that's just going to
hug you and tell you it's okay, that's not me.
I'm going to tell you what the problem is and
how we solve it. That's why I say for some people,
I'm a huge breath of fresh air. They love it.
Someone that actually goes in, really listens to you and
finds a solution to what's bothering you. But if you
just want someone to hug you and tell you it's okay,
(41:33):
I'm too expensive, there's plenty of people to charge less
than me. They could do that for you.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Love it, Love it, Brent, Thank you for sharing. I mean,
this really is a remarkable journey, and I know it's
going to resonate with a lot of people. And for
those curious. Again, if you want to experience Brent's work firsthand,
visit his website again, that's Wakening Dynamics dot com. I mean,
I guess you'll find a big button right on the
homepage first x slag webinar too, and you can join
(42:00):
in his interactive exercises and demonstrations. And as always, I'm
grateful that you've spent this time with us here on
the Night Life Podcast. To learn more about upcoming episodes,
book a reading, or check out my next live event,
visit my website at Mediumscotallen dot com. And if you
found value in today's conversation, please share the episode, leave
(42:20):
a review, and keep exploring the mysteries of.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Your own journey.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Until next time, keep seeking, keep growing, and remember transformation
is always possible.
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