Patterns of the Soul: Vedic Astrology, the Enneagram & Waking Up with Indra Rinsler

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
The dusty streets of India pulse with life horns, blaring colors,
swirling ancient temples casting long shadows at dusk. Somewhere in
that endless river of humanity, a traveler pauses. It's not
searching for souvenirs, but for the truth behind existence. After

(00:29):
decades spent reading the stars and decoding the mysteries of personality,
Indra Rinsler has learned that sometimes the answers we seek
are both everywhere and hidden in plain sight, waiting for
us to wake up.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
My guest today claims that.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
The journey to self awareness isn't just about looking inward.
It's about reading the patterns written across our lives, our personalities,
even the cosmos itself. According to Indra, the path to happiness, healing,
and understanding our place in the world is mapped out
in ancient systems like medic astrology and the theogram of personality.

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I'm Scott Allen, evidential medium, author of In the Presence
of Light, a funeral director's journey from morning to leadership,
and this is the Enlightened Life podcast, where we dig
beneath the surface to reveal the mysteries of the soul.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
The afterlife and the unexplained. Welcome Indra.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's an honor to have you here. Well, it's an
honor to be here. Thank you very much. What a beautiful,
poetic beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Thanks so much, Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
You know your journey has taken you literally all over
the world and teaching systems that help people wake up
to who they really are. Before we dive in, how
are you feeling about sharing some of your story with
our listeners today?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I feel good. Which part of the story to start with?
What would you say?

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I do?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
But I want to say this, How long were you
in India for? I wanted to just ask you that,
how long were you in India?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
I've been going. I was originally in India for a
month in nineteen eighty six, and since ninety nine, I
have been going. I've been there every winter except COVID
one plus three for COVID.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, where in India? What part of India? What sounds been?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I've been all over India, but I've been staying lately.
I've been staying not lately, but I've always gone to Reshikesh.
That's my home base. Rishikesh is where the Beatles went. Okay, yeah,
and it's the thing. One of the things that makes it, well,
what makes it unusual is that it's it's in the
foothills and it's where the Ganga comes out of the

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mountains and starts the going through fifteen hundred miles twenty
five hundred kilometers through the plains of India. That it
is the mother river for all of India, the spine
of India. And so this is where it comes out
of the mountains and starts to and starts to be

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more of the level part and where everybody interacts with
it more.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh nice, you know, I've been. I've been to India.
I went, you know, it's been a few years now.
I have a son who's twelve. It was before he
was born, so not long before. But I went and
it was southern you know, it was the south part
of India, Bangalore, you know, Mysore in that area, and
that I just did that. I went from temple to
temple and really you have to sort of be there

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to appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think it was wonderful.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, I like to say that from here, India makes
no sense. And when you're in India here makes no sense.
And the kind of beyond understanding because it's so different,
and it's the chaos of it has ordered and we
think it's chaos, but that's that's their order, that's their

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sense of order.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
It's funny because people will ask me why I went
to India and I'll usually tell them it's because that's
where I went.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
To driver's head. You're lucky, you're not going to be killed.
You know the way. But they have it down. It's amazing.
There are more accidents. It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
What can you tell us what first drew you to
the spirituality in Vetic astrology over fifty years ago?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, Veta astrology was later astrology. At the beginning, I
think astrology because I have a is that a Jupiter?
Is that a Jupiter ring? On that finger? It looks
like a Jupiter ring?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
No it's not.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
It's an aura ring or ring okay, okay, but it
looks like it's a Jupiter ring. But anyway, okay, I
started with a straw. I think I started. I think
the astrology part was attracted because I was mathematical, and
it could have been that I had what we call
som scars, that I had past experiences with it, but
it just seemed like something that I wanted to become

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involved with. And then Vader became popular later and I
started with it later. I think the beginning, the beginning
actually was I like to say the beginning was because
we when I moved to California, we started going to
metaphysical bookstores. I started buying books. But I think the
event that, if I can put it down to one,

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is that don't remember this the specific time this happened,
but I realized that you could be in a room
with a lot of people and like a party energy,
and there's an energy that is beyond the physical plane,
that there's a what do you call it an excitement
in the air, or an anticipation before they come, or

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or it's not around parties, but but it's just an
example of where there's a lot of energy, you know.
And so any event that you know, you stand in
front of Yosemite or the waterfalls, are you are you
standing there at the have your breath taken away looking
at the Grand Canyon and you feel something more? This
is your psychic you know that you fit well the

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spheres beyond the physical plane. I could feel something more.
And the idea was is that as soon as you
feel that there's more. Then the Pandora's boxed in my
mind was open and it could be anything. All realities
around the table at that point. And so then I

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think then it became, uh, you know that it became
following the spiritual life, and and and and it and
it may not have been a particular path at the time,
maybe it was an understanding, but I think at the
beginning it had concentration and meditation, It had a focus.
It had a sense of enlightenment, which I wouldn't It's

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not a word I use very often, but I mean
a goal towards awakening or some get somewhere, because I
think it was, you know, at the time, this was
nineteen seventy, there was definitely a feeling of wanting to
get out of where you were, you know. And I
call that and I don't know what the word I
forget what the words I use back then. But whether
you want to call it getting happy or reducing letting

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go of suffering, or finding out what this life is about,
or why am I here any of those things, that
doesn't matter. They're all They're basically all the same, even
though they have a little bit of a difference. So
I think it was sort of these kind of questions
and then it was sort of open ended, and then
it became then it be spiritual, a spirituality, you know,

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following having a master and a guru and following that
particular path, using that as a as a springboard for
more and more searching deeper and deeper. It just keeps
us like, it just keeps echoing further, you know, gets
bigger and bigger. There's no limit to it, right.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Can you talk a little bit about Vedic astrology?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
How is that different from what we might think about
when we think about astrology normally.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
The Vedic astrology is a term that's been coined to
use Indian astrology, the astrology of the country of India.
It is. The main difference is that it's based on
cadereal time, which is start time, and Western astrology is
based on tropical time, which is the seasons, and so
that the charts are cast slightly differently. They're twenty four

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degrees different. In four hundred AD, the two systems were
the same, and so by then they thought, well, it
doesn't matter. But the fact was that as the hundreds
of years passed and it mattered more and more where
it's seventy two years a degree. It's it's it's the Western.
This is probably more than you want to know. But
the Western is the seasons. The relationship is based on areas.

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One is March twenty first spring. It's the seasons. The
relationship with the Earth in the sun Vedic takes into
account the sky behind the sun, and the sky behind
the sun isn't the same every year. It's on a
twenty six thousand year cycle called the procession of the equinox,
and so it comes around so three hundred and sixty
degrees twenty six thousand years, seventy two years one degree

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from four hundred ady to now twenty four degrees different.
So the chart is cast slightly differently. The astrology itself
isn't particularly different. We don't use outer planets, we don't
use asteroids. Some people do, but I don't particularly. I'm
very just interested in the inner planets, and I find
it to be enough. And it's an astrology. What I

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do is an astrology using the maderial chart of the
Vedic chart and some of the laws of Vedic astrology
and some of them from Western astrology, which it costs.
I've studied is to get a core strength and weakness
of your t in order for you to get to
have it become an x ray of the strengths and
weaknesses of where you're, where you have abilities and skills,

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and where you have deficiencies that become our obsessions and compulsions. Say,
there's where we hold on the planets. Don't care, but
the planets were weak. What's a weak planet? Try getting
a sun tane in November?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Okay, yep, yep, I forget where you live, but I
can barely get one in the July never Okay, So
there you go.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
So so that's a weak planet. I mean it's not
that the planet is weak, but the energy of it
doesn't feel strong and acceptable and and and strengthening. And
so the human personality, for whatever reason uh compensates in
our behavior based on the weakness of the Sun, the

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weaknesses and strengths of any of the planets, and so
and so what is a week sun in astrology? Well,
you can't get a sun tan. But the idea of
it is is that you have low self esteem, that
you that you to finish yourself, that you that you
accommodate other people, you give up of your of your needs,
and you and you don't think of your own needs.
This is a this is how a week sun is

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translated into astrology. And I'll grant you that it makes
absolutely no sense except that somehow somebody figured this stuff
out and it works. You know, fifteen hundred clients in
you know, there's very few people that say, no, that's
not me. You know, even if I have the wrong chart,

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they'll say it to them. So I find that I
find it to be very powerful. I mean, why were
why were people people were killed for astrology for saying
for a thousand years, people would be killed for saying
that the sun orbits this, that the Earth or orbits

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the sun. That was a pun wishable offense of death
for a thousand years. That's how powerful astrology is.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, you've you've you've got a lot of experience with this.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean, you've traveled, you know, offering sessions and classes.
Is there anything from your journeys that that really has
profoundly changed how you see yourself or even humanity for
that matter, Well, is.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
There anything that hasn't? You know? It's really the better answer,
you know, I have sure, I have had many many
moments you know, many moments among many days of just aha,
moments of just a deep insight and and just and
just uncovering, you know, a little bit more gets uncovered.

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There's just a little bit, a little bit more, you know,
less clouds and a little bit more clarity and just
aha moments. I don't have that. I was corporate and
then my life changed. I don't really have that because
because I got into it so long ago. I think
that was my moment. My moment was, you know, is

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that when I realized that there was more levels to
explore in my own way, that there was more levels
to explore than it opened the whole, the whole gamut
to anything. So since then it's just been you know,
I was, I was in I was in a boat
Gaya where I'm going to go back to boat Gaya
where where Buddha found enlightenment with the boat Ea tree.

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I was there for the millennium, and that that was
with me for I mean, it's still with me, but
I mean that was with me for years. The quiet
and then the outer spaceness of that particular night. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
You know, for people who might be new to this,
and I know there are because even I don't truly
understand astrology. You know, how would you describe its value,
let's say for self awareness or you know, personal growth.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well that, yeah, the thing is is that it's because
it's so powerful, it can be used in a lot
of different ways. And I think that the way that
that isn't used for personal growth astrology is when and
as well, and it's dispowering. And the way that it's
dispowering is by telling people that they're stuck, that it
can't change, that this is the way things are, and

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that it's rigid and sorry, you know better, try next life.
That is not the way it works. The way it
works is by understanding, like like, if you're trying to
get from is it I think Boston. If you're trying
to get from Boston to Missoula, Montana, and you don't
have any maps or your phone, you know going to

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be a rocky path. It's going to be some wrong turns.
So astrology kind of lights the way. It kind of
gives you the path. It tells you where you have
strengths and weaknesses. It tells you what you're I had
this client the other day who's in the middle of
her venus period. We don't have to go too far
into that. But truth and integrity is the issue, and

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and it was so it was so strong that it
was hard for her to see it because it's kind
of an issue for her anyways. And this is the
this is the culmination of the issue that you're working
on it. She was almost fifty, so you know, been
through a lot. This is the moment of coming to

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the truth, of letting go of her own personal truth
weaponized through a sense of right that is totally made
up as validity, but in reality it's kind of weaponized
and totally made up, which we all do. So that's

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what the way that I use astrology, that's what it
can do is to get really clear on where where
the work needs to be, and where the straints are
and what you're and and make sense. I love the
people who are in total chaos because it's easy relatively.
What is it?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I like that?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, the road maps, you know, it's really clear. Here's
how you get to Missoula. You very clear.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Can you talk about the neogram of personality?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
You know what is it? How can it help someone
better understand themselves?

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Okay, well it kind of does it the same way
and it's its own way. I like to say that
the astrology is like a track coach. It's it's all
elbows and knees. It's trying to get the one hundred
meter time down. And for the aneagram, it's kind of
like the fan in the stands watching the whole race.
So the aneagram that the anagram has a figure. It's
three geometric shapes that combined to create a figure. That

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is it's called the anagram figure, and it has nine
points on it. It has three shapes. Three geometric shapes
create nine points and aneagram is a term from Greek
that means nine sided figure. Okay, and you can put
anything at the points, but in the Anagram of personality,
it ended up in the sixties that that personalities were
put at the points. And it turns out to be

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both a like a psychological too like personality typing to
help us to know our personality, but it actually goes
a lot further that these are the nine personality types
and one of them is at our core, and when
we understand which one it is, then it explains our
core strategies in terms of our personality, also in terms

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of skills. On the high side, but on the low side,
it explains our core triggers, and it explains are the
patterning of our personality. It's like, how do you know
me so well? That's how well it explains the patterning that.
The fact is is that from the nine types are
numbered one through nine. They also have names. We don't

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always agree on the names, but they're numbered one through nine,
and there's no hierarchy. Eight isn't better than four. They're
all the same. But when you understand your core trigger,
then it just really your core strategy. It really helps
you to understand why you are, why you do what
you do, and what's the motive behind your behavior in

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order to be able to let it go that the
reality of it is on spiritual growth, is that the
mirror knowing of something is already in the solution.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Interesting, and is that all part it's a part of
because you know, it's all part of the astrology too.
I mean, it's all part of it. So if you
were to I've always had something separate.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
No, I think it's the same. I think it works
the same way, and I think that I was going
to say that it doesn't work that way physically, but
I think it it's you know, like I don't know
why acne came up, but I mean if you if
you've got agne, okay, well it doesn't cure the acne.
But if you if you get behind that that you
eat the you eat the wrong foods because you are
stressed out. I mean, you know a team, you're stressed out,

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you feel very vulnerable, and then you get the acne.
That if you take it in a holistic way, which
I wasn't planning to make this example, but it even
works when you look at it in a holistic way
that I think it can happen. But it's but by
no knowing that I'm too loud or I'm not I'm
not secure enough, and that I push people away, or

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that I'm too quiet and I don't tell people how
I feel whatever it is that we all do. When
you you know, not at eighteen maybe, but but you know,
twenty five, twenty eight. As soon as you hear, you know,
it's like okay, well maybe thirty five when you hear
and it's like oh okay, thank you, yeah, oh yeah,

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and it starts. You know, it starts. You start releasing.
It's a process of releasing. Really, you release the pain
you understand and you start releasing you and you start
being more vulnerable about it and more willing to hear
it and more willing to look at it and more
willing to change. And that that's what does it.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, yeah, and the four door you talk about the
four doorways too, the four doorways, I think.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
So it was okay, So the four doors are living.
I like to say that at the end, people say, well,
this is great information in now what do I I
do with it? So the four doorways are The first
doorway is to observe your own behavior. That you need
to watch your own thinking and behavior. You need to
watch your reactions to other people's thinking and behavior. You
need to watch your reactions to situations. You need to

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watch your reactions to other people's reactions to situations. You
need to get out of the movie of your life
into the audience to create an objectivity about who you
are and what you're doing and how you're going about
it and what you're feeling in the moment. And then
you have to let go and release what doesn't serve you.
And letting go involves being aware of a feeling, letting

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it come up, staying with it, and letting it run
its course without wanting to make it different or do
anything about it. It means simply to let the feeling
be there and to focus on letting out the energy
behind it. When letting go, ignore all thoughts. And this
is something I just read from David Hawkins who has
a book called Letting Go That's wonderful. The third doorway

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is to love yourself. And the fourth door way is
to live in the moment. If you live in the moment,
you love yourself. How do I love myself by letting
go and releasing what doesn't serve you? Now? I like
to say, if you're eating ice cream, Scott, and ice
cream is serving you, then that's okay, keep eating the
ice cream. But if that ice cream isn't really serving you,

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it's time to let it go. And anything else that
our behaviors, that our opinions, that are attitudes, sure, let
them go. And then how do we know what to
let go? Is simply to learn to observe that that
life will tell us what it is that we need
to let go. So that's the four door rays to
conscious living.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
You do reading, you do these readings, you do astrology reading.
Absolutely what is a reading like with you.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well, it's it's you know, it's uh, well, it's really deep.
But the thing is it goes as deep as you
like it because you control how much intuition, how open
you are, and then by by changing how open you are,
changes the amount of intuition that comes through my focus.

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But my approach I like to call science an intuition.
That the that the that the science helps to of
the modalities, helps to explain and give the roadmap. And
then the intuition takes over. And then I start getting
messages from other people and when they block it, then
I don't feel it so much. And my skill is
to be open. It's not so much that it's a skill,
that the skill is to be open, and then I

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can kind of hear things. So the process is that
we were really taking a deep dive into the alice
in wonderland of your life in order to not for judgment.
It's from higher self to higher self, from essence to essence. Uh,
to look at personality because that's where the problems are,
but not in a confront of judgmental wrong. And and

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most people are very very relieved at the ends, you know,
they're they're the laughing after there's some moments and some
real you know, oh darns, there's you know, there's lightness
and laughter at the end and had I had one
lady a week ago who was full of questions, and
I said, at the end, you're gonna have no questions.

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And it was really a beautiful moment when I said,
for the tenth or fifteenth time, do you have any questions?
And she said no. You know, the emptiness there for
the moment.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, you know, I'd like to maybe just chat with
you philosophically for a moment, and I just love to
get your sense on this. The world right now really
feels especially chaotic, and from your perspective, I think it's
really going on beneath the surface of all of this.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Well, I just had this conversation with my sister. I
think that changes needed to be made. Well, I think
there's many levels, but if you're talking the political and
the governmental and all of that kind of chaos, and
the and the economics and all of this, changes need
to be made. I think everybody. I think that's one thing.
Not that I've done a poll, but I think everybody

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will agree that almost everybody will agree that changes need
to be made. So so changes are being made, and
I think that is it? Is it how everybody wants it? Well,
of course it isn't, because that's not the way it works.
And so I think that I really work at not
getting afraid because I just don't. I just don't want

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to be that attached that I just don't really care.
That if I was in Thailand when North Korea was
going on, and I and I really felt strongly that
if they're going to blow up the planet, I don't
really care. Let them blow up the planet, but I'm
not going to lose peace over it.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I remember there was a medium that I had seen
many years ago, and she talked about something like that,
you know, about the world blowing up, and she'said, well,
what's the worst thing that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
The tunnel is a little crowded, We're all going to
get there.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
So you know, don't sit there and worry about this
stuff because it doesn't serve you. You need to talk
about what serves you. It doesn't serve you. It's not good,
you know. And that's why I turn off the news.
I don't want to focus on those sorts of things,
you know, whether it's and it doesn't even have to
be about politics, just the news, it's negative, it's you.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Know, all kinds of terrible stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
But I think the other side of it is is
that we are coming into a higher age. And while
I have a particular philosophy around something that I call
you that are called the yogas, and that there's a
there's a we're in a higher age. They're actually already
in the higher age, but we're not very far into it,
so it doesn't seem like it yet. But we've actually
in the higher age. How do we know that? Well,
the Internet, I mean we're talking, we're three thousand miles away,

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and here we are talking like your next door, maybe
even better than next door. You know, the the universal healthcare,
the internet, space travel, the body mind, the way the
yoga has exploded in the last fifty years. Taichi sound healing,
which is kind of seems to be really kind of
big sound healing. Sound healing is not I like to say,

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good vibrations, exaltations. That's that's a new age that is
not we call it kali yuga. That's the densest age
that is not kali yuga. This is dar yug. It's
a higher age. And and I like to say that
that we were given that it's a two thousand year cycle,
that it started at one hundred and twenty five years ago,

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So one hundred and twenty five out of two thousand years,
based on a ratio of nine months, we're only it's
only two weeks. We don't even know we're pregnant yet, right,
you get how I did that.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I mean, I'm just saying I'll throwing it out. I'm
pretty sure.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
If you put it, it's a two thousand year cycle
that we're in the high that this age of draw
parr yuga of a body mind of energy age that
we were given by the by the Indian teachers. Okay,
this particular cycle two thousand years, were only one hundred
and twenty five years ago into it. And if you
put that on a nine month just station, it's only

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two weeks out of nine months. We don't even know
we're pregnant yet, we're just getting started. And so that's
that's the chaos is the is the old life dying
and the new life coming on and so and so
that's I mean, I see that explosion I talk about that.
I was talking with a friend of mine in India
the last winter and he told me that his son,

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who's a famous teacher over there, he had eighty seven
people for the month long and they were from forty.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yes. Wow, so there's.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Something going on.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, and I've been saying for a while, I think
people are waking up, you know, they're figuring it out. Yes,
even those of us. And I'm speaking for myself now
that have well. You know, I woke up a while ago.
I feel like I can feel the energy. I just
had this conversation yesterday. I feel the energy is shifting.
I can feel it with me. Something's happening again. I

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can feel it.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
It's a different kind of thing. I you know, I
recognize it where I didn't exactly right.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
And I think that's the That's why these times, if
we go to the political and the chaos and we
don't know what's going to happen, that's why it's so powerful.
Is because when you know, uh, the uh, you know,
the drug trips are not so easy. I hear the
stories of the throwing up from the ayahuasca is not

(28:32):
necessarily an easy trip. That's what we're in right now
you know, that's that's the point we're in. And I
just see it as a natural part of the cycle.
I don't see it as particularly uh you know, you
could say it's it. Maybe some of it is dark
and evil, and that's that's just part of us, because
that's in us. That and you know, you can't see

(28:55):
the light without the dark. Sometimes this is part of
what we need, is a winter summer, too much rain,
too much heat. It's the natural extremes that teach us
to live in the in the s.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, I love that, and I'm glad we're having that
conversation because I really feel like this will help people
maybe who really having a hard time right now, like
they can't get out of their own way, they can't
get it out. You know, understand that it's part of
a cycle's part of what you know, just part of it.
But things are changing, so don't hang on to what's negative.

(29:32):
Just look forward and keep going. You know, what is
the wheel of totality? How does it reveal, you know,
what we're not seeing about ourselves.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
So the big wheel of totality is something I like
to say that was given to me by spirit. And
in astrology, we mostly when you have a reading where
you're you're mostly ninety five ninety eight percent talking about planets,
about the planets and houses that have planets in them.
But for all of us, for most of us, if

(30:00):
particularly we don't include I mean for everybody, there are
houses that don't have anything. But if you get rid
of asteroids and you don't put in some of the
esoteric stuff, and you get down to real planets, and
even if you drop the outer planets, then then you
might have a chart where, for you know, sort of averages,
you have planets in five or six houses, and you
have five or six or seven empty and so these

(30:23):
empty ones also contain awareness on a spiritual level, on
a galactic level, they are just as important and have
as much awareness as anything else. But the reality of
it is that the nature of the personality is that
where you have planets, that's where you're living out of
that's the focus of this life. That's but the wheel

(30:46):
of totality talks about the empty houses, that each house
has an awareness, and it talks about the it's not
on an astrological level, of the mundane level of place,
say ten houses, career or seven thousands relationship it's a
very deeper teaching that I like to say is a
way before astrology. It's like what astrology came from. And

(31:10):
the houses are. For the tenth house, it's love. It's
the career is how you're seen. But on the wheel
of totality, the tenth hous is love. And the teaching
is is that if you have a planet there, then love,
which is not a conditional love, which is when we
have expectations about what you're going to do and not do,

(31:30):
and I'm going to love you. Love becomes an attitude
that doesn't actually need an object that you just wake
up loving, and it isn't about a specific thing or
a specific event. It's just an energy that flows through you.
But if you don't have a planet there, then that
love is hard to achieve. For the wheel, I say
that we don't really start working on these empty houses
until the late forties and feast. And why is that

(31:53):
Because in the twenties and thirties we're mostly building up
ego and identity and we don't really want to work
on our deficiencies. Not only until the fees that you
really are willing to work on the deficiencies. Generally, most
of us, and so that's when we start working on it.
Seventh thousand is relationship in a typical astrology chart for
the wheel of totality, it's seeing through conditioning. People that

(32:17):
have a planet in the seventh hous can see through
conditioning and so they don't have conditioning as a challenge
in them as to what they do. People that don't
have a planet there find difficulties when conditioning, and when
they come to me, they really have to distinguish between
their own noise and the noise. You can't heal conditioning

(32:40):
stories because you don't have the problem. The problem you
have is that you're buying into somebody else's story interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Interesting, So I go.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
So each one has a story like that, and I
didn't want to unless you want to go through each one.
I know we're kind of getting to the end. But
that's the way that it works, and it's a very
deep teaching and I end up we end up looking
giving you one based on geometry, not that not the subject,
but the geometry of your particular chart. If you have
like three in a row, or four in a row,
or five in a row, we try to get one

(33:13):
in the middle. It's the most efficient for you, and
everybody has a slightly different shape that that kind of
connot takes a different kind of a solution, and we
give one to work on, and that one can really
help to alleviate all of them for you when it's
a stepping stone because they're the way that they're actually
connected in your chart, that they when you when you

(33:35):
highlight an area of your chart, for example, if you
you know, what can you say if you get? If
you get, you win an award, and then you get
super confident and then and then customers come, whether they
know or not, more customers come, or or or your
you know, then your paper gets accepted or whatever it is.
When the things lead to other things, and so we
can we can pinpoint the one that would be the

(33:57):
most efficient in order to pull pull all the rings
so that they'll all pop fantastic.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I want to ask you this one question because when
I had your list of things that I could ask you,
this is the one people always ask me. And I'm
now going to have to say, you need to call
Indra because that's what do you believe is the secret
of life?

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Do you know that I talk about I do that one?
Did I tell you that that's why you asked me. Okay,
So I like to tell there's a little joke story
that God asked missus God, where did I put the
secret of life? And missus God says, put it in
their heart. They'll never find it there. So the secret

(34:42):
of life is to open your heart, is to love
and to be open hearted, and to be approachable, and
to be vulnerable, and to be willing to breathe deep,
beautiful Scott, to breathe deep into and to accept be
a total acceptance, acceptance of what you can accept, and
accept what you can't accept, except that you can't accept it.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah. I love that. I love that.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Is there anything you want to share directly with our listeners,
perhaps either final inside or whatever, just you know, or
even encouragement for those seeking their own truth.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Well, I you're all loved, you know, whether whether we
know it or not. You know the the I I
just finished my book yesterday. I just sent it off
to my designer. Everything is done, perhaps with the page

(35:42):
at the end that there was so as I was
going through other books, there's a page where they make
a dedication, and I thought, well, I don't really have
a dedication. But then I thought being an old weird guy.
I thought of the nineteen sixty one Chirelle song. This
is dedicated to the ones I of and the and
the answer and the reality of it is and that's

(36:03):
all of you, all right. So that's the secret of love.
That you're loved and and I'm sorry it's hard, and
and we wouldn't be here if it wasn't something that
we needed to go through. And we are loved. And
there is light at the end of the tunnel on
the other side, and there's so much beauty here. Do

(36:26):
smell a rose, walk in the ocean, take a hike
in a park, and you're not alone, and you're not alone.
Eat to ice cream joint Scott and I for ice cream.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I might leap right after this. I think I might.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Thank you, but I do want to. I do want
to make two free offers. I'll do quickly. This is
something I wanted to add, but I thought you wanted more.
So anybody who writes me so to check me out.
I have a website Intownsler dot com. If you want
to write me into Wrinstler at gmail dot com. It's
all one word with nothing in bet If you want
your your a veta astrology charts, not a free reading.

(37:04):
But if you want your chart, send me your birth time,
dat and place and I will send you a chart
and a little bit of how to read it, and
I'll make a comment or two. And if you're interested
in learning about the enneagram, that we didn't go too
far into, but if you're interested in learning about that,
I have a free test you can take five or
ten minutes. For many of you, it'll give you the number,
and if not, it'll give you a couple of numbers

(37:24):
to check out. We'll get you started those free offers.
Just write me at thegmail dot com Indurawinstler gmail dot
com and I thank you so much for having me
out today, Scott.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's been a pleasure, so you know, I want to
thank you for joining us on your journey of discovery.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And if you'd like to learn more about Inw's work, you'll.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Find the links to his sessions, classes and so forth
in the show notes.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'll make sure that everything's there.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
And as always, you can visit Mediumscott Allen dot com
to book a private reading, check up coming live events,
or listen to more episodes of The Enlightened Life. Stay curious,
keep searching. Going on next time as we explore more
mysteries of the soul, the afterlife, and the unexplained right
here on the Enlightened Life podcast.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
We'll see you next time.

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