January 3, 2026 • 14 mins
In this latest edition of The Epstein Files Unsealed we get a look at the sworn statement and recorded interviews of a teenage girl who became entangled in Jeffrey Epstein’s trafficking operation after being recruited by another minor, identified in the records as “Haley.” The girl initially described being told she was simply going along to collect money and go shopping, with no clear explanation of what would occur. She recounted being taken to Epstein’s Palm Beach home, passing through security, and being left alone upstairs with Epstein after Haley remained downstairs. Under pressure and confusion, she was instructed to undress and give Epstein a massage, during which he masturbated and made sexually explicit comments. She was then paid $300 and sent away, with Epstein acting casually afterward and encouraging her to return. The girl’s testimony shows she did not understand the full nature of what was expected of her until she was already isolated and in the situation, a pattern consistent with grooming and coercion rather than informed consent.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the Michelle Pegan interview with
one of Epstein's survivors in the early days of the
investigation down in Florida. And when I say question, that's
Michelle Pegan asking the questions. And when I say answer,
(00:22):
that's the survivor giving her a reply. Question. You know,
I've been doing this for a long time, and I'm
not saying you're not telling me the truth. I think
you're not telling me the whole truth about what happened. Okay.
Matter of fact, I know you're not, and I know
that you might be a little afraid looking on it.
(00:42):
Answer Okay, I because they already came to my dad's
house and they did something to my dad's tires and
my dad almost died. Question Okay, give me your hand.
I'm here to help you. Look at me. Answer. I
don't want him to get hurt because he already they
almost all ready he killed them. Question I'm here to
help you. KB who is the therapist? Jumps in, Honey,
(01:08):
I'm gonna go get you some water. Okay. Answer okay,
Michelle Pagan. Question, I'm here to help you. Okay, I'm
being honest. Okay, I'm going to be very upfront, but
I need you to be upfront with me. Okay, answer okay. Question.
The only way I can help you is if you're
honest with me, one hundred percent honest with me. Answer okay. Question,
(01:32):
your accounselor is not here. Tell me what happened, now,
be honest about it. Answer Okay. When I got there,
that Jeff guy and the lady were there, and then
the lady wanted me to come upstairs, and she's like
she's talking to me, and then she was putting out
a table like for a massage, and then and then
when and then she like put the covers on the
(01:53):
table and they like it comes to like an audible whatever,
and she's like, oh, Jeff will be up in a second.
And then the Jeff guy got there. She was like
she was like, take off your clothes. And I didn't
know what to do because I was only the one
up there, and I just took off my shirt and
I was like in a bra. And then he came
in and he had a towel over him and he
(02:14):
was like, no, take off everything. So I took off
my pants and I was in my bra and underwear
and he was like, now you're gonna give me a massage.
Then he went on the table and he's like here.
The lady that was putting down the table got out
three lotions and put them on the table, and then
he picked out which lotion. He was like, give me
a massage with this lotion. And then I was giving
(02:37):
him a massage and he said, you can get on
my back. So he was on the table and I
was straddling him on his back and giving him a massage,
and then he was turning around and then he whacked off,
and then he's like, oh, you have a really hot body.
And then I was like that's disgusting, but I didn't
say that. And then he's like, oh, excuse me for
(02:58):
a second, and he I guess he went into the
other room and he whacked off again, and then he
came back and said to me like I'm done, and
he's like, here's your money. And then I was going
downstairs and he acted all nice and stuff. He's like, bye,
nice to meet you, Hope you can come back again.
And then Haley's like, how did it go what did
you do? And I'm like, he made me give him
(03:20):
a massage, Hailey, and she's like, I know. And then
we went to Marshalls and she got a person stuff
because she got paid too. But I she didn't do anything.
I don't think because she was downstairs the whole time
while she knew I was up there. Question when she
asked you to go with her? Answer? Uh huh? Question,
did you know here's your water? Question? Okay, thank you,
(03:44):
KB inaudible, KB. You know what I'm gonna go down
to the dorm. She knows how to find me. Pegan, Okay,
you feel better without her hair? Answer? Yeah, because i'mbarrassed
because it's really gross and it is question or answer
she might tell my mom pagone, that's why I'm here. Okay,
(04:08):
answer and I don't want my parents to find out
begone well answer because I told them it wasn't true.
Question from Pegan. Your parents love you, okay, and their
main thing is for you to be healthy, Okay, not
only physically but up here and they know that right
now you have a lot of issues and I think
(04:29):
this is one of them, because, like you said, you
thought it was gross. Right answer Because he's like forty
five years old. Pagone question. That's okay, let's backtrack a bit.
When you went with Haley, tell me the part where
it was the truth? Okay, you were with Zach and
Haley said, let's go answer. Yeah, Okay, we were watching
(04:49):
I don't remember the movie, but I know we were
watching a movie and then we were gonna go take
a ride cause me and Zach were gonna get dropped
off at the bowling alley. So Haley inaudible. She was
saying about her boyfriend, and Haley got on the phone
and then she was talking to that lady and that
lady was like Haley. Haley was actually saying I'm coming,
I'm coming, and Haley was like, can I bring somebody?
(05:11):
And then Haley was like, the lady was like, what
does she look like? And she started describing me, and
then Zach turned around and said to Haley, who are
you talking to? And then Haley went like that and
she was talking to the lady and like just describing
me what I was wearing that night. And then the
lady was like, okay, well, Jeff is gonna want to
talk to you, and Haley was like, that's fine. And
(05:33):
then she got off the phone, and then Zach said.
I was like, too, why are you describing me? Who
are you talking to? And she said like, Sage, do
you want to go with me tomorrow? I'm gonna go
pick up some money from my boss's house. And then
she's like, cuz I get paid tomorrow. And then I
said okay, and Zach's like no, because I guess Zach
(05:54):
knew that or what she did, because Zach said no,
and he got really mad at me and said no,
you're not going. You're not going with her. And then
I was like and she's like, you know, but you
have to come with me, and I was like, cause
you know, the old man's gonna give us both money
so we can go shopping, cause that's like my boss
and he's really nice. And I was like okay. And
(06:15):
then Zach didn't say anything the rest of the night
about it. He was just like really inaudible out there
and mad, not really mad, but he was just like
frustrated that Haley, I guess would say that question and
you didn't know what was going on. Answer. I didn't
know it was gonna that I had to give a
massage and get naked question, what did you think was
(06:35):
gonna happen? Answer that, like, she just said, I don't know,
but I knew something was wrong. Nobody's just gonna pay
you money. But I didn't think like that. I thought
that was just Hailey's business. Whatever Haley do, just go
over there. And she told me that it was a
rich guy, and she was saying, oh my god, he's
so rich blah blah blah, and he has like a
new Mercedes and all this stuff, and she's like explaining
(06:58):
him and then what's it called? So actually we didn't
we left, but we didn't end up going to the
bowling alley. Her boyfriend went to his house really fast
to go get Haley something from his house, and then
he brought his car back to Haley's house and we
were just sitting there watching the movie. But she was like,
are you guys sure you're going to go with me?
And I was like, okay, I'll go with you. I'm like,
(07:21):
last time, what are we gonna do? Hailey? We were
going to go shopping and we were discussing what we
were going to buy with our money because she told
me how much money I was going to get three
hundred dollars and I was cool, I know that I'm
gonna buy. We're just like saying what we're gonna buy
with the money. She said, I need to buy a purse.
Then the next day, actually I gave her my phone
(07:42):
number that night so she could call so she could
pick me up. And then I went in the house
that morning. She called me she said, are you still
gonna come with me? And I'm like yeah. So she's like, okay,
get ready, I'm gonna be there in thirty minutes. And
then she came to the house in like thirty minutes,
and she had a friend with her. Question. Do you
(08:03):
remember the name of the friend? Answer? I don't know
her name. But she was like really dark, kind of
like a Spanish girl pegane darker than me. Answer, uh
huh question okay answer. And she had short hair. She
had like a styled hair, like a cute little style.
I don't remember her name. I talked to her, but
(08:23):
I didn't remember her name because inaudible. Right after I
got in the car, and then all the way there
we were just listening to music and singing and stuff
and like just laughing and stuff. And she told me
the girl about her boyfriend and stuff. Question. So you're driving,
so Haley picks you up. Do you remember what day
it was? Answer? No, But I know it was a
(08:45):
Sunday because I told my dad, Dad, can I please
go on Sunday with Haley to go shopping? And my
dad goes, where are you guys going shopping because he
didn't know Haley and said no at first, and I
was like, Dad, that's Haley. You know Zach's cousin that
my dad says okay to meet her. So then Haley
called me afterward and then she's like, I'm gonna need
ten dollars for gas, and she was like, can your
(09:06):
dad give me ten dollars? And then I was like sure,
but I didn't ask my dad. I just inaudible ten
dollars and then my dad was okay, and my dad
called me. He's like inaudible, I'm not gonna be able
to give you money. So then I was really mad.
But then I didn't tell Haley, but my dad ended
up redacted and inaudible. Then Haley was pulling up. My
(09:27):
dad ended up pulling up, so Haley and my dad
saw each other and Haley was like, oh my god,
your dad is so hot, and then I said right,
started laughing about it, and then my dad gave Haley
ten dollars for gas. Question Pegne, so you got in
the car. What kind of car did she drive? Answer
A truck, Pegan? What color? Answer? I don't remember, but
(09:48):
I think it was a bluish color. I think so, pegane.
So she drove? Answer, Yes, she drove, Pegan, she drove?
Answer yeah, And I was in the passenger seat and
there was like a whole bunch of junk back behind
and I was sitting next to it in audible or
stuff for school, and there was like but I don't know,
but it took a pretty long time to get there.
(10:08):
And you know where like the rich people are. What
is that street where the Cravis Center is, but farther
than that, like towards the beach. More that way mp Pagan, Yeah,
towards the beach. Answer, yeah, that way, and that's where. Yeah,
that's like where he lives. But when she pulled into
I know for a fact it's a pink house. I
(10:29):
remember the pink house. And then they had an escalating
the driveway and then a Mercedes in his garage. I
remember that much. Question Okay, do you remember so you
took the Cravis Way or did you? Answer? I don't
remember where we question you don't remember which way? Answer?
I just remember the building. Question it was near the ocean.
(10:49):
Answer yeah, I know, because one day when I was
with my friend Christina, that's exactly where we went, like
around that area, not the city place area, but you know,
it kind of looked like that area, like where the
Cravis Center was, and I remember that's how I remember.
Do you remember seeing the beach and the ocean? Answer no,
but we went over that bridge where the ocean was
(11:11):
and the bridge went over. Question Okay, so you definitely
went over the bridge. Answer yeah, went over the bridge
and it was up and we had to wait for
it to go down. So we were there like five minutes.
Question that that was time you were with Haley. Answer yes,
question okay. And then the house you said you described
it as pink. Answer it was like it was a
(11:34):
two story house and then it was like a pinkish color,
pinkish pink color. Answer or question where were the gates
in front or something? Answer? Well, it wasn't a gate,
but the back door had a gate to it, and
it was a white gate. And Haley just like she
knew that you had to open it and it wasn't locked.
So we just opened it and there were three two
(11:56):
or three steps and you just walk up. And then
he had a pool and it had like the floor.
The floor was like a heard something. It wasn't concrete.
It was where's like concrete? But they weren't like mp
question like tyle you mean answer? It was like a
coral concrete, you know like. And then the pool was there,
and the house was there. I guess it was like
(12:17):
a security house because a man that was what the
security came out and he was like, what are you
guys here for? Cuz you're knocking on the door. And
then Haley said, we're here to see Jeff. Question. And
then what did the man say? Answer? He was like
oh okay, and she's like she smiles, and then he
let her in inaudible, but he opened the door and
(12:40):
then we went in and then in audible, and then
the counter. Here's the door when you walk in, and
there's a refrigerator, and then the window a glass lighting
window looks out of the pool. Question okay answer, And
then the cabinet, I mean the cabinet, the island was
like here, and I mean there's like a cabinet over there,
(13:00):
and the door was right here. Question okay, just for
the tape purposes, the way you described it, okay, is
you walk in and on the left hand side. Answer
uh huh? Question because you mentioned right now, who's there?
Answer an audible question. And then you walked in on
the left hand side. What did you see? Answer like
(13:21):
if I was getting out of the doorway. Pegan answers
uh huh. And then the survivor continues, Okay, well there's
the door. You look straight, it would be straight from you,
but a little towards the right. Pagane okay, and answer
it wasn't a door door. It was just a doorway.
Pagan okay. Answer no, wait, maybe it I don't know
(13:43):
because it was open, but there could have been a door,
but it was open, so I didn't really pay attention,
but I know it was a doorway going up. Pegan. Okay,
So now you're in the kitchen area right answer yeah.
Question the three of you answer yeah. Question where did
you park the car? Answer? We parked in his little
driveway area. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this
(14:05):
episode right here. And in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the Michelle Pegan interview with
one of Epstein's survivors in the early days of the
investigation down in Florida. And when I say question, that's
Michelle Pegan asking the questions. And when I say answer,
(00:22):
that's the survivor giving her a reply. Question. You know,
I've been doing this for a long time, and I'm
not saying you're not telling me the truth. I think
you're not telling me the whole truth about what happened. Okay.
Matter of fact, I know you're not, and I know
that you might be a little afraid looking on it.
(00:42):
Answer Okay, I because they already came to my dad's
house and they did something to my dad's tires and
my dad almost died. Question Okay, give me your hand.
I'm here to help you. Look at me. Answer. I
don't want him to get hurt because he already they
almost all ready he killed them. Question I'm here to
help you. KB who is the therapist? Jumps in, Honey,
(01:08):
I'm gonna go get you some water. Okay. Answer okay,
Michelle Pagan. Question, I'm here to help you. Okay, I'm
being honest. Okay, I'm going to be very upfront, but
I need you to be upfront with me. Okay, answer okay. Question.
The only way I can help you is if you're
honest with me, one hundred percent honest with me. Answer okay. Question,
(01:32):
your accounselor is not here. Tell me what happened, now,
be honest about it. Answer Okay. When I got there,
that Jeff guy and the lady were there, and then
the lady wanted me to come upstairs, and she's like
she's talking to me, and then she was putting out
a table like for a massage, and then and then
when and then she like put the covers on the
(01:53):
table and they like it comes to like an audible whatever,
and she's like, oh, Jeff will be up in a second.
And then the Jeff guy got there. She was like
she was like, take off your clothes. And I didn't
know what to do because I was only the one
up there, and I just took off my shirt and
I was like in a bra. And then he came
in and he had a towel over him and he
(02:14):
was like, no, take off everything. So I took off
my pants and I was in my bra and underwear
and he was like, now you're gonna give me a massage.
Then he went on the table and he's like here.
The lady that was putting down the table got out
three lotions and put them on the table, and then
he picked out which lotion. He was like, give me
a massage with this lotion. And then I was giving
(02:37):
him a massage and he said, you can get on
my back. So he was on the table and I
was straddling him on his back and giving him a massage,
and then he was turning around and then he whacked off,
and then he's like, oh, you have a really hot body.
And then I was like that's disgusting, but I didn't
say that. And then he's like, oh, excuse me for
(02:58):
a second, and he I guess he went into the
other room and he whacked off again, and then he
came back and said to me like I'm done, and
he's like, here's your money. And then I was going
downstairs and he acted all nice and stuff. He's like, bye,
nice to meet you, Hope you can come back again.
And then Haley's like, how did it go what did
you do? And I'm like, he made me give him
(03:20):
a massage, Hailey, and she's like, I know. And then
we went to Marshalls and she got a person stuff
because she got paid too. But I she didn't do anything.
I don't think because she was downstairs the whole time
while she knew I was up there. Question when she
asked you to go with her? Answer? Uh huh? Question,
did you know here's your water? Question? Okay, thank you,
(03:44):
KB inaudible, KB. You know what I'm gonna go down
to the dorm. She knows how to find me. Pegan, Okay,
you feel better without her hair? Answer? Yeah, because i'mbarrassed
because it's really gross and it is question or answer
she might tell my mom pagone, that's why I'm here. Okay,
(04:08):
answer and I don't want my parents to find out
begone well answer because I told them it wasn't true.
Question from Pegan. Your parents love you, okay, and their
main thing is for you to be healthy, Okay, not
only physically but up here and they know that right
now you have a lot of issues and I think
(04:29):
this is one of them, because, like you said, you
thought it was gross. Right answer Because he's like forty
five years old. Pagone question. That's okay, let's backtrack a bit.
When you went with Haley, tell me the part where
it was the truth? Okay, you were with Zach and
Haley said, let's go answer. Yeah, Okay, we were watching
(04:49):
I don't remember the movie, but I know we were
watching a movie and then we were gonna go take
a ride cause me and Zach were gonna get dropped
off at the bowling alley. So Haley inaudible. She was
saying about her boyfriend, and Haley got on the phone
and then she was talking to that lady and that
lady was like Haley. Haley was actually saying I'm coming,
I'm coming, and Haley was like, can I bring somebody?
(05:11):
And then Haley was like, the lady was like, what
does she look like? And she started describing me, and
then Zach turned around and said to Haley, who are
you talking to? And then Haley went like that and
she was talking to the lady and like just describing
me what I was wearing that night. And then the
lady was like, okay, well, Jeff is gonna want to
talk to you, and Haley was like, that's fine. And
(05:33):
then she got off the phone, and then Zach said.
I was like, too, why are you describing me? Who
are you talking to? And she said like, Sage, do
you want to go with me tomorrow? I'm gonna go
pick up some money from my boss's house. And then
she's like, cuz I get paid tomorrow. And then I
said okay, and Zach's like no, because I guess Zach
(05:54):
knew that or what she did, because Zach said no,
and he got really mad at me and said no,
you're not going. You're not going with her. And then
I was like and she's like, you know, but you
have to come with me, and I was like, cause
you know, the old man's gonna give us both money
so we can go shopping, cause that's like my boss
and he's really nice. And I was like okay. And
(06:15):
then Zach didn't say anything the rest of the night
about it. He was just like really inaudible out there
and mad, not really mad, but he was just like
frustrated that Haley, I guess would say that question and
you didn't know what was going on. Answer. I didn't
know it was gonna that I had to give a
massage and get naked question, what did you think was
(06:35):
gonna happen? Answer that, like, she just said, I don't know,
but I knew something was wrong. Nobody's just gonna pay
you money. But I didn't think like that. I thought
that was just Hailey's business. Whatever Haley do, just go
over there. And she told me that it was a
rich guy, and she was saying, oh my god, he's
so rich blah blah blah, and he has like a
new Mercedes and all this stuff, and she's like explaining
(06:58):
him and then what's it called? So actually we didn't
we left, but we didn't end up going to the
bowling alley. Her boyfriend went to his house really fast
to go get Haley something from his house, and then
he brought his car back to Haley's house and we
were just sitting there watching the movie. But she was like,
are you guys sure you're going to go with me?
And I was like, okay, I'll go with you. I'm like,
(07:21):
last time, what are we gonna do? Hailey? We were
going to go shopping and we were discussing what we
were going to buy with our money because she told
me how much money I was going to get three
hundred dollars and I was cool, I know that I'm
gonna buy. We're just like saying what we're gonna buy
with the money. She said, I need to buy a purse.
Then the next day, actually I gave her my phone
(07:42):
number that night so she could call so she could
pick me up. And then I went in the house
that morning. She called me she said, are you still
gonna come with me? And I'm like yeah. So she's like, okay,
get ready, I'm gonna be there in thirty minutes. And
then she came to the house in like thirty minutes,
and she had a friend with her. Question. Do you
(08:03):
remember the name of the friend? Answer? I don't know
her name. But she was like really dark, kind of
like a Spanish girl pegane darker than me. Answer, uh
huh question okay answer. And she had short hair. She
had like a styled hair, like a cute little style.
I don't remember her name. I talked to her, but
(08:23):
I didn't remember her name because inaudible. Right after I
got in the car, and then all the way there
we were just listening to music and singing and stuff
and like just laughing and stuff. And she told me
the girl about her boyfriend and stuff. Question. So you're driving,
so Haley picks you up. Do you remember what day
it was? Answer? No, But I know it was a
(08:45):
Sunday because I told my dad, Dad, can I please
go on Sunday with Haley to go shopping? And my
dad goes, where are you guys going shopping because he
didn't know Haley and said no at first, and I
was like, Dad, that's Haley. You know Zach's cousin that
my dad says okay to meet her. So then Haley
called me afterward and then she's like, I'm gonna need
ten dollars for gas, and she was like, can your
(09:06):
dad give me ten dollars? And then I was like sure,
but I didn't ask my dad. I just inaudible ten
dollars and then my dad was okay, and my dad
called me. He's like inaudible, I'm not gonna be able
to give you money. So then I was really mad.
But then I didn't tell Haley, but my dad ended
up redacted and inaudible. Then Haley was pulling up. My
(09:27):
dad ended up pulling up, so Haley and my dad
saw each other and Haley was like, oh my god,
your dad is so hot, and then I said right,
started laughing about it, and then my dad gave Haley
ten dollars for gas. Question Pegne, so you got in
the car. What kind of car did she drive? Answer
A truck, Pegan? What color? Answer? I don't remember, but
(09:48):
I think it was a bluish color. I think so, pegane.
So she drove? Answer, Yes, she drove, Pegan, she drove?
Answer yeah, And I was in the passenger seat and
there was like a whole bunch of junk back behind
and I was sitting next to it in audible or
stuff for school, and there was like but I don't know,
but it took a pretty long time to get there.
(10:08):
And you know where like the rich people are. What
is that street where the Cravis Center is, but farther
than that, like towards the beach. More that way mp Pagan, Yeah,
towards the beach. Answer, yeah, that way, and that's where. Yeah,
that's like where he lives. But when she pulled into
I know for a fact it's a pink house. I
(10:29):
remember the pink house. And then they had an escalating
the driveway and then a Mercedes in his garage. I
remember that much. Question Okay, do you remember so you
took the Cravis Way or did you? Answer? I don't
remember where we question you don't remember which way? Answer?
I just remember the building. Question it was near the ocean.
(10:49):
Answer yeah, I know, because one day when I was
with my friend Christina, that's exactly where we went, like
around that area, not the city place area, but you know,
it kind of looked like that area, like where the
Cravis Center was, and I remember that's how I remember.
Do you remember seeing the beach and the ocean? Answer no,
but we went over that bridge where the ocean was
(11:11):
and the bridge went over. Question Okay, so you definitely
went over the bridge. Answer yeah, went over the bridge
and it was up and we had to wait for
it to go down. So we were there like five minutes.
Question that that was time you were with Haley. Answer yes,
question okay. And then the house you said you described
it as pink. Answer it was like it was a
(11:34):
two story house and then it was like a pinkish color,
pinkish pink color. Answer or question where were the gates
in front or something? Answer? Well, it wasn't a gate,
but the back door had a gate to it, and
it was a white gate. And Haley just like she
knew that you had to open it and it wasn't locked.
So we just opened it and there were three two
(11:56):
or three steps and you just walk up. And then
he had a pool and it had like the floor.
The floor was like a heard something. It wasn't concrete.
It was where's like concrete? But they weren't like mp
question like tyle you mean answer? It was like a
coral concrete, you know like. And then the pool was there,
and the house was there. I guess it was like
(12:17):
a security house because a man that was what the
security came out and he was like, what are you
guys here for? Cuz you're knocking on the door. And
then Haley said, we're here to see Jeff. Question. And
then what did the man say? Answer? He was like
oh okay, and she's like she smiles, and then he
let her in inaudible, but he opened the door and
(12:40):
then we went in and then in audible, and then
the counter. Here's the door when you walk in, and
there's a refrigerator, and then the window a glass lighting
window looks out of the pool. Question okay answer, And
then the cabinet, I mean the cabinet, the island was
like here, and I mean there's like a cabinet over there,
(13:00):
and the door was right here. Question okay, just for
the tape purposes, the way you described it, okay, is
you walk in and on the left hand side. Answer
uh huh? Question because you mentioned right now, who's there?
Answer an audible question. And then you walked in on
the left hand side. What did you see? Answer like
(13:21):
if I was getting out of the doorway. Pegan answers
uh huh. And then the survivor continues, Okay, well there's
the door. You look straight, it would be straight from you,
but a little towards the right. Pagane okay, and answer
it wasn't a door door. It was just a doorway.
Pagan okay. Answer no, wait, maybe it I don't know
(13:43):
because it was open, but there could have been a door,
but it was open, so I didn't really pay attention,
but I know it was a doorway going up. Pegan. Okay,
So now you're in the kitchen area right answer yeah.
Question the three of you answer yeah. Question where did
you park the car? Answer? We parked in his little
driveway area. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this
(14:05):
episode right here. And in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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