December 3, 2025 • 22 mins
In early 2022, Andrew’s attorneys filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, contending that Giuffre’s complaint did not “articulate what supposedly happened” with sufficient detail. They argued the claims were too general — lacking precise dates, clear descriptions of where alleged events occurred, and specific conduct — which, they said, made it impossible for Andrew to respond meaningfully or defend himself. This line of attack framed the allegations as legally insufficient because they allegedly failed to meet the standards required to bring a viable civil case.
The court rejected that argument. A federal judge overseeing the case found that Giuffre had provided enough detail — about timing (early 2000s), locations (including a London residence and properties tied to Jeffrey Epstein), and context (her status as a minor and trafficking victim) — to allow the lawsuit to proceed. The judge ruled that the complaint was not “too vague” to survive a motion to dismiss, meaning that Giuffre’s core claims had been sufficiently described to proceed toward discovery or resolution.
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The court rejected that argument. A federal judge overseeing the case found that Giuffre had provided enough detail — about timing (early 2000s), locations (including a London residence and properties tied to Jeffrey Epstein), and context (her status as a minor and trafficking victim) — to allow the lawsuit to proceed. The judge ruled that the complaint was not “too vague” to survive a motion to dismiss, meaning that Giuffre’s core claims had been sufficiently described to proceed toward discovery or resolution.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We've been talking
about the Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts civil suit the
last couple of days, and today they were in court
for the first time, and like usual, it seemed to
be a pretty disastrous day for Uncle Touchy. Now, Prince
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Andrew has really made a fool of himself throughout this
whole entire thing, from the Emily Maitliss interview to him
flying across the pond to go and break up with
his best friend forever, Jeffrey Epstein. It has been an
absolute shit show when we are talking about Prince Andrew,
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and it just continues today in the courtroom, as it
certainly seems to me anyway from the reports we're getting
that Judge Kaplan wasn't really buying any of the nonsense
that Brettler was trying to pitch him. And again, Brettler
Singer and that whole law firm, they are killers, right,
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They go for the jugular and their whole entire strategy
is going to be Glaine Maxwell's strategy, but on steroids.
And it seems like Judge Kaplan really wasn't having it today,
and that's a good thing for sure, because when you're
dealing with lawyers like Brettler and Marty Singer, these guys
play for keeps and they're going to do anything that
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you can possibly imagine to try and to mean the
credibility of Virginia Roberts throughout this whole entire thing. Now,
she's been dealing with this for years and years and
years up to this point. But you see it again
and when they talk about how she's looking for a payday,
she's not even an American, you know, a bunch of
baseless ass nonsense, and they throw it all at the
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wall hoping some of it sticks. And it's been the
same strategy throughout a game of loopholes and technicalities. When
you see people doing that, it's because they don't have
the evidence to exonerate themselves. It's because they don't have
the evidence to back up whatever alibis they're putting forth.
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So what you see is people like Maxwell, people like
Prince Andrew, they will run the gauntlet when it comes
to loopholes and technicalities up until the very last day
if they're allowed. So that's why it's important for judges
like Judge Kaplan to put their foot down and make
sure that these people understand that they're not running the
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show because it's a brand new day for the Joe
Exotic of the Windsor family, folks. No more avoiding this issue,
no more hiding from this issue at Balmoral. The whole
world is aware of what's going on now, not just
a handful of us, not just people in England. I
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can't tell you how many emails I've been getting in
regards to Prince Andrew and this whole entire situation. The
dude is an absolute jackass of epic proportions, and the
way he has carried himself throughout this is straight up embarrassing.
We've had some real embarrassing clowns roll through this whole
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entire thing, right, but nobody is as embarrassing, in my
opinion as the clown Prince. This dude has embarrassed not
only himself and his family, but the whole entire nation,
and frankly, people in England have had enough. I cannot
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tell you how many emails I get on a regular
basis from people who have had enough of seeing this
guy's face, from people who want nothing to do with
the royal family as a whole, and that's a huge
turn from even when I was growing up. I remember
the royal family was pretty much universally revered. But look
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when you pull that curtain back and you start to
see all of the skeletons in the class Jimmy Seville,
Prince Andrew, mount Batten, it goes on and on and on.
Now I'm certainly again, like I always say, I'm not
a historian of the monarchy here, so I'm not gonna
make pretend I am, or like I know about all
of their deep, dark secrets. But I will tell you this,
there are plenty of them. And if Prince Andrew is
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a look behind the curtain, boy, oh boy, I can
only imagine the skeletons that are buried deep in the
royal closet. That said, let's take a look at our
article for the night. Tonight. We have an article from
nbcnews dot com and the headline is Prince Andrew's lawyers
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claim sex abuse allegations are vague, but the judge disagrees.
The authors of this article, Adam Reese and Corky si Masco,
Prince Andrew's lawyers tried again Tuesday to scuttle a lawsuit
by a woman who says he sexually assaulted her when
she was seventeen, by telling a New York City federal
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judge that she failed to articulate what happened to her
at the hands of the prince. Now think about that
for a minute. This is the reason that you think
that the lawsuit should be dropped. Huh. This is the
defense that you're bringing. And remember it's costing the queen
two thousand dollars an hour for these lawyers, by the way,
but this is what they bring to the table. You
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didn't articulate what happened at her, to her at the
hands of the prince. Whatever happened to the argument that
Prince Andrew doesn't even know Virginia Roberts. Wasn't that the
argument being made by a few knuckleheads. Wasn't that the
argument being made by the handful of idiots that call
Virginia a human trafficker, as if a child who has
been groomed could be a human trafficker. I thought Prince
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Andrew didn't even know Virginia. But now all of a sudden, well,
you know, they didn't articulate what happened. You see how
the whole entire story changes Huh. You see how the
narrative begins to take shape. Now that we're getting close
to time of going under oath. US District Judge Lewis
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Kaplan forcefully disagreed it was sexual intercourse, involuntary sexual intercourse.
Caplin told defense attorney Andrew Brettler, there isn't any debt.
There isn't any doubt about what that means one hundred percent.
Virginia has made these claims from the very beginning. And
when somebody is consistently making these claims, somebody is consistently
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bringing this to the table, and somebody is consistently having
the same evidence and the same story, you have to
take them seriously, especially considering what we know in hindsight.
What did she say about Maxwell, Well, Maxwell's going to prison. Huh.
What did she say about Epstein? Well, Epstein died while
he was in custody. Huh. What did she say about
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Jean Luke Brunel, Oh, he's in prison in France or
jail in France, I should say, huh. So what would
make you think that anything else she's saying is a lie, unless,
of course you're looking to just try and you know,
upturn the apple cart and cause some MRK in the water,
And that's of course what the lawyers are going to
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try and do. But the handful of people that run
around yapp and that kind of garbage, those people are,
it's very transparent what they're trying to do. And anyone
who's been following this case and looking at the evidence
for what it is understands very much so that Prince
Andrew has done nothing but lie and duck and dodge
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this whole entire time. He's the one who said he
faced this honorably. Again, when I talk about Prince Andrew,
I'm using his own words to strangle him, right, We're
using his own words. And the fact of the matter
is this guy says he's gonna do the honorable thing
and then goes and hides behind his ninety five year
old mother's gertz. What sort of clown ass chump does
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something like that? And have you noticed all of these
people love to drag their families into their nonsense. Oh,
I was with my kids or I was with my wife,
and just sick. These people are straight up sick. Kaplan
also brushed aside Butler's request that the woman Virginia Roberts
provide more details about where and when the alleged assaults
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happened before the lawsuit is allowed to proceed any further.
I mean, didn't they get their taste of the nonsense
when they were trying to use the memory expert in
Glenn Maxwell's case. Would you guys think that it was
gonna work this time around? Sorry, that's not going to work.
You're going to need more. And Judge Caplan isn't having it.
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With all due respect, mister Bretler, that is not a
dog that's going to hunt here. Caplan said, I'll tell
you that straight out right now. It's not going to happen.
So Caplin's letting these dudes have it. Judge Caplan's not
playing games. And that's definitely a good thing, because when
you're dealing with people like Brettler or Marty Singer, they
want to run the whole thing, the whole shebang, right,
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They want to be in charge of everything. If you're
getting paid two grand an hour, you better be a killer,
you better be a hawk. And it's nice to see
Judge Kaplan not even taking that into account and forcefully
closing these these morons down. Kaplan closed the virtual hearing
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by saying he would decide pretty soon whether the lawsuit
will proceed. Roberts, who is seeking unspecified damages, claims she
was a teenager when convicted sex offender and powerful financier
Jeffrey Epstein and his confidante really were still calling her
a confidant huh, and also saying she claims didn't Jeffrey
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Epstein pay Virginia out several times? Didn't is a state
payer out? Isn't Golen Maxwell being charged with perjury on
the back of what Virginia had to say? So what
is this crazy nonsense of calling it a claim? This
is not a claim anymore. Okay, the claim against Prince
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Andrew that has not been proven or substantiated yet in
a court of law, So that's still a claim. But
this other stuff here saying she claimed she was a
teenager when she convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein had sex
with her and trafficked her. That's not a claim. Those
are the facts, folks. Epstein was awaiting trial on sex
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trafficking charges in twenty nineteen when he died by suicide
in a Manhattan jail cell. Maxwell was convicted last week
of recruiting and grooming four teenage girls for Epstein to
sexually abuse, and that conviction of Maxwell looms very large
for Prince Andrew. Right now, let's rewind a little bit.
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Remember Prince Andrew claimed that, oh, I wasn't really great
friends with Epstein. I was really good friends with Maxwell.
Talk about hanging your hat on a faulty peg. I mean,
so Epstein is such a scumbag that you have to
say that, oh, we weren't really that great of friends.
I was friends with Maxwell instead, because Maxwell wasn't convicted
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at the time, she wasn't under any allegations, so he
thought that was a safe harbor to sail into. Well,
little did he know that Tyrian Lanister was present and
had the chain right across the Blackwater Bay waiting for her.
And that's exactly what happened here, right. It was a
big time mistake and a blunder by Prince Andrew trying
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to claim that he's friends with Maxwell instead of Epstein,
Like that's any better. Maxwell and Epstein were working hand
in hand this whole entire time, and being friends with
either of them, okay, makes you a scumbag, point blank period,
from Trump to Clinton to whoever now you're an exceptionally
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more of a scumbag a few rungs up if you
actually were partaking in the like Prince Andrew was alleged
to have done. But don't get it twisted. Every single
person that was in Epstein's orbit, every person that was
hanging out with this dude on a regular basis, benefiting
from him one way or the other, is an absolute
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piece of shit. Roberts was not one of the four
women in the case against Maxwell, and there were no
allegations against Andrew was part of that case. Well, no shit,
because of the non prosecution agreement. It was very minimal
in scope. Because things that took place earlier in this
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whole entire ordeal were screwed up, and again nobody was
ever held accountable for that either. Remember you have all
of these clowns running around getting a pension, you know,
moving on to other jobs within the government, whatever it
may be. And meanwhile, they couldn't even perform their duties
as a prosecutor. They couldn't even do their duties correctly.
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But yet they still get the benefits of a nice
pension and all of that, huh must be nice. Here's
an idea, go to work tomorrow and screw up on
whatever project you're working on and see how your boss
reacts to it. Pretty sure you're not gonna get a
pat on the shoulder, and he's gonna tell you, I
don't where you're gonna get your pension anyway. There needs
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to be accountability, especially for people who owd public office,
if they're engaging in backroom deals with people like Epstein,
if they're being manipulated by people like Epstein's lawyers such
as Dershowitz or left Kowits. These people shouldn't be riding
off into the sunset, laughing the whole way, enjoying the
money that they've collected, while these survivors, the very people
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that they are employed by us, the people to protect,
have to live their lives hiding, miserable, never knowing if
they're gonna see justice. That doesn't jive with me, And
there needs to be more accountability from people that hold
these positions of power. Right, if you have a position
of power, there's great responsibility that comes with it, no
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matter what your job is. If you're a manager at
a grocery store, you have a lot more responsibility than
other people. Right, you're the manager, the buck stops with you.
And if you're the prosecutor in a place like Florida,
like Barry Krisher was, the buck stops with him and
his office completely shit the bed. And we wouldn't even
be here today, folks. If Krisher and the attorneys down
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in Florida, Acosta at the federal level, his boss, Mukasey,
if all of them would have done the right thing,
we wouldn't even be here today. Epstein and Maxwell would
have been put in prison in two thousand and seven.
But unfortunately that's not the case. And here we are,
all these years later, finally getting a little bit of justice.
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But really, how many of these people are still running around? Ler,
who tried and failed to block the lawsuit by arguing
that Roberts no longer lives in the United States and
by insisting that a five hundred thousand dollars settlement she
reached in two thousand and nine with Epstein immunized andrew
against further legal action, took a different tag Tuesday during
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opening arguments, And you know, he's an absolute clown. It's
an absolute clown. Show what these morons are up to.
It's not going to work. And if I was paying
two grand an hour, I'd flip out. I would be
mad as hell. I'd want a different strategy. But again,
if you don't have the truth on your side, if
you know you did this shit, then you're really between
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a rock and a hard place. Right, you're certainly not
going to tell your lawyers not to go hard in
the paint. I know if I was innocent of this,
even if I was madder than a piston badger, I
would tell my lawyers to do it the right way,
defend me the right way. Let's present our evidence. But
when you don't have that evidence on your side and
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you have an untened defensive position, you're in big trouble.
And that's what we're seeing here, folks. This dude's in
big trouble. And if there was a way to charge
him criminally, he would be in jeopardy because there's a
ton of evidence, and I'm convinced of that, just like
I was convinced about a ton of evidence in the
Glenn Maxwell trial, just like I was convinced about Jeffrey Epstein.
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That's where I'm at with Prince Andrew. There's nobody that's
going to convince me that the clown Prince didn't know
what was going on, that he didn't know what Epstein
was up to, and that he wasn't hip to the
fact that Virginia was underage. Sorry, that's my opinion. Caplin
said that wasn't excuse me. Before the case went any further,
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Brettler said he wanted Roberts to lock herself into a
story now, not in the future, and provide further and
more precise details of her allegations. Caplan said that wasn't
necessary at this stage of the process and added it
just isn't the law. So Caplin just was slapping them
down all day, and as we followed this case, we've
seen a lot of that. A lot of these judges
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have not had the stomach for the defense of the
Maxwells and the Epsteins of this situation. They just haven't
had the stomach for it, and they've slapped them down
on every single occasion pretty much. Andrew's lawyers can scrutinize
Robert's claims when they start sharing evidence at Caplin, who
dismissed any suggestion that the accuser was being vague about
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what allegedly happened by reading directly from her lawsuit. On
one occasion, Prince Andrew sexually abused plaintiff in London at
Maxwell's home. Caplin read during this encounter, Epstein, Maxwell and
Prince Andrew forced plaintiff a child to have sexual intercourse
with Prince Andrew against her will. I mean, what more
do you need to hear there? I don't care. And honestly,
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if we're being real, I don't care if she's seventeen
or thirty seven. At this point, you can't force anybody
against their will to have relations with you. That's called great.
And I don't want to hear. Oh, well, I didn't know.
I thought, oh, she liked me. I don't want to
hear any of that shit. Let's be clear, Prince Andrew's
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two best buddies are human traffickers, both convicted earlier. Kaplan
turned aside the defense argument that the lawsuit should be
dismissed on the grounds that Roberts has lived in Australia
for all but two of the past nineteen years and
is raising three children in the city of Perth with
her Australian husband. Yeah, of course he should have smacked
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that down. What because she's in Australia looking for a
little piece of happiness. She's not an American citizen anymore.
Andrews lawyers have also argued that the lawsuit should be
dismissed because Roberts agreed in the Epstein settlement to remise release,
a quit, satisfy, and forever discharge the said second parties
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and any other person or entity who could have been
included as a potential defendant from all and all manner
of action and actions of Virginia Roberts, including state or
federal cause and causes of action. I mean, wow, so
we sure flipped the script real quick, from not even
knowing who Virginia is or was, to the fact that, well,
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Prince Andrew's protected under this agreement. It's always about the
backroom deals when it comes to our so called elite,
isn't it. How many of you have been engaged in
backroom deal making in your life? I'm guessing not many
of you. That's because there is a system for them
and a system for us, the two tier justice system, folks.
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Andrew's lawyers have contended that the Prince is a third
party beneficiary of the release agreement, even though he is
not mentioned by name in the settlement. A representative for
Roberts lawyers, David Boyce, released a statement Monday saying the
release is a irrelevant in his Roberts claim against Prince
Andrew one hundred percent, and again it was political theater
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by Dershowitz, political theater by Prince Andrew's team to act
like this release was going to exonerate him. That is
not gonna happen. There's gonna be discovery in this There's
going to be more proceedings inside of the courtroom. And
I am convinced of that. At this point he did
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not even know about it. The representative said of the settlement,
he cannot have been a potential defendant in the settled
case against Jeffrey Epstein, both because he was not subject
to jurisdiction in Florida and because Florida excuse me, because
the Florida case involved federal claims to which he was
not part. But Section twenty one of Robert's complaint against
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Epstein says the powerful Epstein friends who sexually exploited her
included royalty. Well could have been how do we know,
Maybe it was the King of Siam. The fact of
the matter is this, all of the loopholes, all of
the technicalities that you can come up with, clown Prints
are not going to save you this time. You're going
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to have to do better. You're going to to provide evidence,
witness statements, and hopefully you're gonna have to be deposed.
And when they depose him, I don't want it done
via video. I want this clown to sit in front
of seasoned interrogators and answer questions like any of us
would have to. Is that going to occur? I don't know,
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but I really hope it does, because he shouldn't be
let off the hook by answering in a written form
or answering via video conference right a prepared message. He
should have to answer and speak to these interrogators in
live time. So I really hope that's what they go for,
and I hope that that is what occurs here. But
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we'll have to see. This is just day one, folks,
and you know the sparring has just begun. We have
a long way to go in this civil trial. And
if today is an omen moving forward, it's going to
be bad news for the clown Prints. All right, folks,
that's gonna do it for tonight. Hope that all of
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And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We've been talking
about the Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts civil suit the
last couple of days, and today they were in court
for the first time, and like usual, it seemed to
be a pretty disastrous day for Uncle Touchy. Now, Prince
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Andrew has really made a fool of himself throughout this
whole entire thing, from the Emily Maitliss interview to him
flying across the pond to go and break up with
his best friend forever, Jeffrey Epstein. It has been an
absolute shit show when we are talking about Prince Andrew,
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and it just continues today in the courtroom, as it
certainly seems to me anyway from the reports we're getting
that Judge Kaplan wasn't really buying any of the nonsense
that Brettler was trying to pitch him. And again, Brettler
Singer and that whole law firm, they are killers, right,
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They go for the jugular and their whole entire strategy
is going to be Glaine Maxwell's strategy, but on steroids.
And it seems like Judge Kaplan really wasn't having it today,
and that's a good thing for sure, because when you're
dealing with lawyers like Brettler and Marty Singer, these guys
play for keeps and they're going to do anything that
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you can possibly imagine to try and to mean the
credibility of Virginia Roberts throughout this whole entire thing. Now,
she's been dealing with this for years and years and
years up to this point. But you see it again
and when they talk about how she's looking for a payday,
she's not even an American, you know, a bunch of
baseless ass nonsense, and they throw it all at the
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wall hoping some of it sticks. And it's been the
same strategy throughout a game of loopholes and technicalities. When
you see people doing that, it's because they don't have
the evidence to exonerate themselves. It's because they don't have
the evidence to back up whatever alibis they're putting forth.
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So what you see is people like Maxwell, people like
Prince Andrew, they will run the gauntlet when it comes
to loopholes and technicalities up until the very last day
if they're allowed. So that's why it's important for judges
like Judge Kaplan to put their foot down and make
sure that these people understand that they're not running the
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show because it's a brand new day for the Joe
Exotic of the Windsor family, folks. No more avoiding this issue,
no more hiding from this issue at Balmoral. The whole
world is aware of what's going on now, not just
a handful of us, not just people in England. I
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can't tell you how many emails I've been getting in
regards to Prince Andrew and this whole entire situation. The
dude is an absolute jackass of epic proportions, and the
way he has carried himself throughout this is straight up embarrassing.
We've had some real embarrassing clowns roll through this whole
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entire thing, right, but nobody is as embarrassing, in my
opinion as the clown Prince. This dude has embarrassed not
only himself and his family, but the whole entire nation,
and frankly, people in England have had enough. I cannot
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tell you how many emails I get on a regular
basis from people who have had enough of seeing this
guy's face, from people who want nothing to do with
the royal family as a whole, and that's a huge
turn from even when I was growing up. I remember
the royal family was pretty much universally revered. But look
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when you pull that curtain back and you start to
see all of the skeletons in the class Jimmy Seville,
Prince Andrew, mount Batten, it goes on and on and on.
Now I'm certainly again, like I always say, I'm not
a historian of the monarchy here, so I'm not gonna
make pretend I am, or like I know about all
of their deep, dark secrets. But I will tell you this,
there are plenty of them. And if Prince Andrew is
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a look behind the curtain, boy, oh boy, I can
only imagine the skeletons that are buried deep in the
royal closet. That said, let's take a look at our
article for the night. Tonight. We have an article from
nbcnews dot com and the headline is Prince Andrew's lawyers
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claim sex abuse allegations are vague, but the judge disagrees.
The authors of this article, Adam Reese and Corky si Masco,
Prince Andrew's lawyers tried again Tuesday to scuttle a lawsuit
by a woman who says he sexually assaulted her when
she was seventeen, by telling a New York City federal
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judge that she failed to articulate what happened to her
at the hands of the prince. Now think about that
for a minute. This is the reason that you think
that the lawsuit should be dropped. Huh. This is the
defense that you're bringing. And remember it's costing the queen
two thousand dollars an hour for these lawyers, by the way,
but this is what they bring to the table. You
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didn't articulate what happened at her, to her at the
hands of the prince. Whatever happened to the argument that
Prince Andrew doesn't even know Virginia Roberts. Wasn't that the
argument being made by a few knuckleheads. Wasn't that the
argument being made by the handful of idiots that call
Virginia a human trafficker, as if a child who has
been groomed could be a human trafficker. I thought Prince
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Andrew didn't even know Virginia. But now all of a sudden, well,
you know, they didn't articulate what happened. You see how
the whole entire story changes Huh. You see how the
narrative begins to take shape. Now that we're getting close
to time of going under oath. US District Judge Lewis
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Kaplan forcefully disagreed it was sexual intercourse, involuntary sexual intercourse.
Caplin told defense attorney Andrew Brettler, there isn't any debt.
There isn't any doubt about what that means one hundred percent.
Virginia has made these claims from the very beginning. And
when somebody is consistently making these claims, somebody is consistently
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bringing this to the table, and somebody is consistently having
the same evidence and the same story, you have to
take them seriously, especially considering what we know in hindsight.
What did she say about Maxwell, Well, Maxwell's going to prison. Huh.
What did she say about Epstein? Well, Epstein died while
he was in custody. Huh. What did she say about
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Jean Luke Brunel, Oh, he's in prison in France or
jail in France, I should say, huh. So what would
make you think that anything else she's saying is a lie, unless,
of course you're looking to just try and you know,
upturn the apple cart and cause some MRK in the water,
And that's of course what the lawyers are going to
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try and do. But the handful of people that run
around yapp and that kind of garbage, those people are,
it's very transparent what they're trying to do. And anyone
who's been following this case and looking at the evidence
for what it is understands very much so that Prince
Andrew has done nothing but lie and duck and dodge
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this whole entire time. He's the one who said he
faced this honorably. Again, when I talk about Prince Andrew,
I'm using his own words to strangle him, right, We're
using his own words. And the fact of the matter
is this guy says he's gonna do the honorable thing
and then goes and hides behind his ninety five year
old mother's gertz. What sort of clown ass chump does
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something like that? And have you noticed all of these
people love to drag their families into their nonsense. Oh,
I was with my kids or I was with my wife,
and just sick. These people are straight up sick. Kaplan
also brushed aside Butler's request that the woman Virginia Roberts
provide more details about where and when the alleged assaults
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happened before the lawsuit is allowed to proceed any further.
I mean, didn't they get their taste of the nonsense
when they were trying to use the memory expert in
Glenn Maxwell's case. Would you guys think that it was
gonna work this time around? Sorry, that's not going to work.
You're going to need more. And Judge Caplan isn't having it.
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With all due respect, mister Bretler, that is not a
dog that's going to hunt here. Caplan said, I'll tell
you that straight out right now. It's not going to happen.
So Caplin's letting these dudes have it. Judge Caplan's not
playing games. And that's definitely a good thing, because when
you're dealing with people like Brettler or Marty Singer, they
want to run the whole thing, the whole shebang, right,
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They want to be in charge of everything. If you're
getting paid two grand an hour, you better be a killer,
you better be a hawk. And it's nice to see
Judge Kaplan not even taking that into account and forcefully
closing these these morons down. Kaplan closed the virtual hearing
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by saying he would decide pretty soon whether the lawsuit
will proceed. Roberts, who is seeking unspecified damages, claims she
was a teenager when convicted sex offender and powerful financier
Jeffrey Epstein and his confidante really were still calling her
a confidant huh, and also saying she claims didn't Jeffrey
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Epstein pay Virginia out several times? Didn't is a state
payer out? Isn't Golen Maxwell being charged with perjury on
the back of what Virginia had to say? So what
is this crazy nonsense of calling it a claim? This
is not a claim anymore. Okay, the claim against Prince
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Andrew that has not been proven or substantiated yet in
a court of law, So that's still a claim. But
this other stuff here saying she claimed she was a
teenager when she convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein had sex
with her and trafficked her. That's not a claim. Those
are the facts, folks. Epstein was awaiting trial on sex
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trafficking charges in twenty nineteen when he died by suicide
in a Manhattan jail cell. Maxwell was convicted last week
of recruiting and grooming four teenage girls for Epstein to
sexually abuse, and that conviction of Maxwell looms very large
for Prince Andrew. Right now, let's rewind a little bit.
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Remember Prince Andrew claimed that, oh, I wasn't really great
friends with Epstein. I was really good friends with Maxwell.
Talk about hanging your hat on a faulty peg. I mean,
so Epstein is such a scumbag that you have to
say that, oh, we weren't really that great of friends.
I was friends with Maxwell instead, because Maxwell wasn't convicted
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at the time, she wasn't under any allegations, so he
thought that was a safe harbor to sail into. Well,
little did he know that Tyrian Lanister was present and
had the chain right across the Blackwater Bay waiting for her.
And that's exactly what happened here, right. It was a
big time mistake and a blunder by Prince Andrew trying
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to claim that he's friends with Maxwell instead of Epstein,
Like that's any better. Maxwell and Epstein were working hand
in hand this whole entire time, and being friends with
either of them, okay, makes you a scumbag, point blank period,
from Trump to Clinton to whoever now you're an exceptionally
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more of a scumbag a few rungs up if you
actually were partaking in the like Prince Andrew was alleged
to have done. But don't get it twisted. Every single
person that was in Epstein's orbit, every person that was
hanging out with this dude on a regular basis, benefiting
from him one way or the other, is an absolute
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piece of shit. Roberts was not one of the four
women in the case against Maxwell, and there were no
allegations against Andrew was part of that case. Well, no shit,
because of the non prosecution agreement. It was very minimal
in scope. Because things that took place earlier in this
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whole entire ordeal were screwed up, and again nobody was
ever held accountable for that either. Remember you have all
of these clowns running around getting a pension, you know,
moving on to other jobs within the government, whatever it
may be. And meanwhile, they couldn't even perform their duties
as a prosecutor. They couldn't even do their duties correctly.
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But yet they still get the benefits of a nice
pension and all of that, huh must be nice. Here's
an idea, go to work tomorrow and screw up on
whatever project you're working on and see how your boss
reacts to it. Pretty sure you're not gonna get a
pat on the shoulder, and he's gonna tell you, I
don't where you're gonna get your pension anyway. There needs
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to be accountability, especially for people who owd public office,
if they're engaging in backroom deals with people like Epstein,
if they're being manipulated by people like Epstein's lawyers such
as Dershowitz or left Kowits. These people shouldn't be riding
off into the sunset, laughing the whole way, enjoying the
money that they've collected, while these survivors, the very people
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that they are employed by us, the people to protect,
have to live their lives hiding, miserable, never knowing if
they're gonna see justice. That doesn't jive with me, And
there needs to be more accountability from people that hold
these positions of power. Right, if you have a position
of power, there's great responsibility that comes with it, no
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matter what your job is. If you're a manager at
a grocery store, you have a lot more responsibility than
other people. Right, you're the manager, the buck stops with you.
And if you're the prosecutor in a place like Florida,
like Barry Krisher was, the buck stops with him and
his office completely shit the bed. And we wouldn't even
be here today, folks. If Krisher and the attorneys down
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in Florida, Acosta at the federal level, his boss, Mukasey,
if all of them would have done the right thing,
we wouldn't even be here today. Epstein and Maxwell would
have been put in prison in two thousand and seven.
But unfortunately that's not the case. And here we are,
all these years later, finally getting a little bit of justice.
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But really, how many of these people are still running around? Ler,
who tried and failed to block the lawsuit by arguing
that Roberts no longer lives in the United States and
by insisting that a five hundred thousand dollars settlement she
reached in two thousand and nine with Epstein immunized andrew
against further legal action, took a different tag Tuesday during
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opening arguments, And you know, he's an absolute clown. It's
an absolute clown. Show what these morons are up to.
It's not going to work. And if I was paying
two grand an hour, I'd flip out. I would be
mad as hell. I'd want a different strategy. But again,
if you don't have the truth on your side, if
you know you did this shit, then you're really between
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a rock and a hard place. Right, you're certainly not
going to tell your lawyers not to go hard in
the paint. I know if I was innocent of this,
even if I was madder than a piston badger, I
would tell my lawyers to do it the right way,
defend me the right way. Let's present our evidence. But
when you don't have that evidence on your side and
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you have an untened defensive position, you're in big trouble.
And that's what we're seeing here, folks. This dude's in
big trouble. And if there was a way to charge
him criminally, he would be in jeopardy because there's a
ton of evidence, and I'm convinced of that, just like
I was convinced about a ton of evidence in the
Glenn Maxwell trial, just like I was convinced about Jeffrey Epstein.
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That's where I'm at with Prince Andrew. There's nobody that's
going to convince me that the clown Prince didn't know
what was going on, that he didn't know what Epstein
was up to, and that he wasn't hip to the
fact that Virginia was underage. Sorry, that's my opinion. Caplin
said that wasn't excuse me. Before the case went any further,
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Brettler said he wanted Roberts to lock herself into a
story now, not in the future, and provide further and
more precise details of her allegations. Caplan said that wasn't
necessary at this stage of the process and added it
just isn't the law. So Caplin just was slapping them
down all day, and as we followed this case, we've
seen a lot of that. A lot of these judges
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have not had the stomach for the defense of the
Maxwells and the Epsteins of this situation. They just haven't
had the stomach for it, and they've slapped them down
on every single occasion pretty much. Andrew's lawyers can scrutinize
Robert's claims when they start sharing evidence at Caplin, who
dismissed any suggestion that the accuser was being vague about
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what allegedly happened by reading directly from her lawsuit. On
one occasion, Prince Andrew sexually abused plaintiff in London at
Maxwell's home. Caplin read during this encounter, Epstein, Maxwell and
Prince Andrew forced plaintiff a child to have sexual intercourse
with Prince Andrew against her will. I mean, what more
do you need to hear there? I don't care. And honestly,
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if we're being real, I don't care if she's seventeen
or thirty seven. At this point, you can't force anybody
against their will to have relations with you. That's called great.
And I don't want to hear. Oh, well, I didn't know.
I thought, oh, she liked me. I don't want to
hear any of that shit. Let's be clear, Prince Andrew's
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two best buddies are human traffickers, both convicted earlier. Kaplan
turned aside the defense argument that the lawsuit should be
dismissed on the grounds that Roberts has lived in Australia
for all but two of the past nineteen years and
is raising three children in the city of Perth with
her Australian husband. Yeah, of course he should have smacked
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that down. What because she's in Australia looking for a
little piece of happiness. She's not an American citizen anymore.
Andrews lawyers have also argued that the lawsuit should be
dismissed because Roberts agreed in the Epstein settlement to remise release,
a quit, satisfy, and forever discharge the said second parties
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and any other person or entity who could have been
included as a potential defendant from all and all manner
of action and actions of Virginia Roberts, including state or
federal cause and causes of action. I mean, wow, so
we sure flipped the script real quick, from not even
knowing who Virginia is or was, to the fact that, well,
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Prince Andrew's protected under this agreement. It's always about the
backroom deals when it comes to our so called elite,
isn't it. How many of you have been engaged in
backroom deal making in your life? I'm guessing not many
of you. That's because there is a system for them
and a system for us, the two tier justice system, folks.
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Andrew's lawyers have contended that the Prince is a third
party beneficiary of the release agreement, even though he is
not mentioned by name in the settlement. A representative for
Roberts lawyers, David Boyce, released a statement Monday saying the
release is a irrelevant in his Roberts claim against Prince
Andrew one hundred percent, and again it was political theater
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by Dershowitz, political theater by Prince Andrew's team to act
like this release was going to exonerate him. That is
not gonna happen. There's gonna be discovery in this There's
going to be more proceedings inside of the courtroom. And
I am convinced of that. At this point he did
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not even know about it. The representative said of the settlement,
he cannot have been a potential defendant in the settled
case against Jeffrey Epstein, both because he was not subject
to jurisdiction in Florida and because Florida excuse me, because
the Florida case involved federal claims to which he was
not part. But Section twenty one of Robert's complaint against
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Epstein says the powerful Epstein friends who sexually exploited her
included royalty. Well could have been how do we know,
Maybe it was the King of Siam. The fact of
the matter is this, all of the loopholes, all of
the technicalities that you can come up with, clown Prints
are not going to save you this time. You're going
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to have to do better. You're going to to provide evidence,
witness statements, and hopefully you're gonna have to be deposed.
And when they depose him, I don't want it done
via video. I want this clown to sit in front
of seasoned interrogators and answer questions like any of us
would have to. Is that going to occur? I don't know,
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but I really hope it does, because he shouldn't be
let off the hook by answering in a written form
or answering via video conference right a prepared message. He
should have to answer and speak to these interrogators in
live time. So I really hope that's what they go for,
and I hope that that is what occurs here. But
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we'll have to see. This is just day one, folks,
and you know the sparring has just begun. We have
a long way to go in this civil trial. And
if today is an omen moving forward, it's going to
be bad news for the clown Prints. All right, folks,
that's gonna do it for tonight. Hope that all of
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you have a great night, and like usual, context episodes
come in your way and tomorrow morning will be back
same as usual. If you'd like to contact me, you
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