December 30, 2025 • 22 mins
In recent remarks, Marjorie Taylor Greene publicly broke with Donald Trump over his handling of the Jeffrey Epstein story, arguing that his instinct to deflect, downplay, or redirect attention away from powerful associates only fuels suspicion. Greene said that continuing to frame Epstein as a partisan issue or a “hoax” while attacking critics undermines legitimate questions about who protected Epstein and why. She emphasized that transparency—rather than dismissal—is the only way to resolve lingering doubts and restore public trust.
Greene went further by warning that Trump’s approach risks embarrassing his own circle, suggesting that reflexively defending or shielding well-connected figures makes the situation worse, not better. By implying that some of Trump’s friends and associates could be implicated by continued secrecy, she positioned herself as advocating a clean break: release records, stop minimizing the issue, and let accountability fall where it may. Her comments marked a notable moment of intraparty tension, highlighting frustration among some Republicans who believe that avoiding the Epstein facts damages credibility and keeps the controversy alive.
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Greene went further by warning that Trump’s approach risks embarrassing his own circle, suggesting that reflexively defending or shielding well-connected figures makes the situation worse, not better. By implying that some of Trump’s friends and associates could be implicated by continued secrecy, she positioned herself as advocating a clean break: release records, stop minimizing the issue, and let accountability fall where it may. Her comments marked a notable moment of intraparty tension, highlighting frustration among some Republicans who believe that avoiding the Epstein facts damages credibility and keeps the controversy alive.
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MTG Says Trump Yelled 'My Friends Will Get Hurt' at Her When She Demanded Epstein Transparency
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. When it comes to Donald Trump and Marjorie
Taylor Green's relationship, there's no doubt that there is no
turning back. Donald Trump and those who support them have
completely jumped ship on Marjorie Taylor Green, and where she
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was once a darling of the movement, she's now considered
a pariah all because she demanded transparency when it comes
to Jeffrey Epstein. Now think about that for a minute
and ask yourself, what sort of movement, what sort of
man would jettison somebody as loyal as MTG over an
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issue like Jeffrey Epstein. So you choose to defend Jeffrey
Epstein's enablers, You choose to defend your friends. You choose
to defend people who did horrific things instead of just
doing what you said you were gonna do and give
us full transparency when it comes to Epstein. But Marjorie
Taylor Green's the problem. She's the issue. Huh. I mean
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it's absurd. And look, I'm not some big fan of
Marjorie Taylor Green, certainly not a big fan of the
rhetoric that she uses that divides people, especially these days.
We don't need to be divided. What we need is
a leader that's going to step up and bring everybody together,
walk back the bullshit, govern from the middle, and understand
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that if you're the president, or if you're an elected official,
you have a responsibility to the whole country, not just
to your political party, and your responsibility to the country
should come before any political party or any politician. And
say what you will about Marjorie Taylor Green, but on
this issue, she's not wrong. She's demanded transparency from the jump,
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and considering this gigantic bill that's come due for her,
you got to give her a tip of the cap. Right.
Takes courage to do this, To go against somebody like
Donald Trump in an environment such as not an easy
thing to do. So I certainly give her credit for that,
and I give her a lot of credit for being brave,
because there's a lot of people in Congress who feel
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the same way, who are scared to Donald Trump, and
they're not going to step up, They're not going to
come forward, they're not going to put their name on
the line. So it was up to people like Marjorie
Taylor Green and Thomas Massey and Nancy Mace and Lauren
Bolbert to do that. And look again, I'm not claiming
that I enjoy any of these people for their politics,
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because I am just disillusioned with the whole entire situation
when it comes to politics, no matter what side's in charge.
So it's not like I think things are going to
change the next election when the other guys get elected.
I'm old enough to understand that it's meet the new boss.
Sam is the old boss, and I've seen that my
whole entire life, and I highly doubt that changes this
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time around. Now do I want it to change? I
do we need younger people we'll run in this country.
I mean, if you're sixty five, probably a good time
to pack it in and head home and enjoy your retirement.
I'm sure you have grandkids, I'm sure you have hobbies,
whatever it might be. Quit the grift and get your
ass back home. But what happens is we get these
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people who understand that if they get these political offices,
they're going to benefit financially. And when I say benefit financially,
I mean big time, not you know, an incremental raise,
But we're talking about showing up being worth one hundred
grand and leaving being worth what thirty five million? Forty
five million? And where do you think they get that
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money from? Do you think that people just show up
and drop dough into a donation jar? Hell no, they don't.
They're donating that money and giving up that money because
they want you to do something for them. And these
politicians know that, and they're all willing to play ball,
all of them. How many of them end up leaving
being worth just an insane amount of money? Meanwhile you
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and I are grinding away making sure we have enough
money to buy a couple of chicken cutlets and some spaghetti.
It's fucking absurd. And then you have these people with
the audacity to be mad at Marjorie Taylor Green because
she wants transparency and justice when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein.
Seems kind of absurd to me, especially considering how much
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carrying on we heard from people about Wayfarer, about adrenochrome,
and just about everything else that you would have heard
on an art Bell episode a Coast to Coast ten
years ago. But they can't be bothered when faced with
an actual human trafficking ring that was international in scope,
and we have a mountain of evidence to prove it
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all because you know politics. Today's article is from People
and the headline trump yelled my friends will get hurt
at Marjorie Taylor Green for threatening to name Epstein abusers.
She claims. This article was authored by Kyle Alverd. Georgia Representative.
Marjorie Taylor Green is offering more details about her falling
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out with President Donald Trump, saying in the final straw
revolved around her push for more government transparency surrounding sex
offender Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. Imagine getting mad about that. It
is so crazy to me to think that a president
of the United States is willing to burn so much
political capital to defend a bunch of people who enable
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Jeffrey Epstein. And the fact that he yelled out that
his friends are going to get hurt, that's common knowledge.
We've been talking about that for how long? And this
is what I've been telling you folks for months now.
When it comes to Donald Trump, the focus should be
on the cover up, because I think there's a lot
of there there and if you want to chase the
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salacious ghosts, you're gonna end up running into dead ends
and that's exactly what they want, make no mistake about it.
They want you chasing your tail. They want you listening
to people like Ian Carrel's dumbass and jumping all the
way down a rabbit hole and running through an endless
loop of Warrens. That's what they want. They don't want
you focused on the particulars. They don't want you focused
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on the overall scope, and they certainly don't want you
focused on the institutions. And when you hear people talking
about this story, if they're not talking about the institutional failures,
they don't know what they're talking about. In an exhaustive
new profile for The New York Times that chronicles the
longtime Magas allies fracture with her former leader, Green told
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journalist Robert Draper that her small disagreement with Trump throughout
the year likely got on his nerves, but it was
Epstein that drove the ultimate wedge between them. Epstein was everything.
This is what I'm saying. This is the fulcrum, folks,
This is where the battle is going to be fought.
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And if America has any soul left, we're gonna have
to come out of victorious here because this country cannot
be run by people who are to cover for animals
like Jeffrey Epstein and his associates. It's not even negotiable.
The Epstein files represent everything wrong with Washington. Green fifty
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one told The Times for the December twenty ninth profile,
which was based on multiple interviews with the outgoing Republican
congresswoman Rich powerful elites doing horrible things and getting away
with it, and the women are the victims. Well, that's
true and fair. We know that's a fact, and there's
a lot of people who didn't believe that for a
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very long time. Ah, there's no such thing as systemic corruption.
The so called elites, they might be a little degenerate,
but they're not involved in anything like this. Yeah, okay, sure,
tell me you've never met someone who considers themselves one
of the so called elite without telling me. And folks, look,
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when I work for Kenner Fitzgerald, I met my fair
share of degenerate people, and the vast majority of these
fools were working in the financial sector. So my personal
experience with them is not good. And then you look
at the overall picture and you understand why if the
frontline employees are the way that these people are. Can
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you imagine how the executives are? Can you imagine the
kind of bullshit that's going on at their eyes wide
shut party? Over at Howie Lutnix House. In September, Green
spoke directly at Epstein's survivors during a closed door house
oversight hearing, which moved her to fight for accountability on
their behalf. After leaving the hearing, she rallied reporters and
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publicly threatened that, if necessary, she would work with victims
to reveal the names of Epstein's associates who perpetrated sexual
abuse against women and girls. That threat, she said, resulted
in a hostile phone call from the President their last
proper conversation. According to The Times, which heard about the
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call through both Green and one of her staff, Trump
seventy nine rang her Capitol Hill office the voices frustration
with he republic advocacy on the issue. The whole office
could allegedly hear him yelling at her on speakerphone. According
to the staffer, real tough guy that Donnie diddles huh
given Marjorie Taylor Green the business over the phone, But
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that shit tracks sounds like something that Donald Trump would do.
There's no loyalty to country. There's no loyalty to the citizens.
It's only loyalty to Donald Trump and whatever scumbag he
wants you to protect. I guess, but the truth is,
Marjorie Taylor Green was more maga than just about anyone,
and even that wasn't good enough. Green claimed that when
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she expressed confusion to Trump on the call over his
resistance over outing potential Epstein conspirators, the president told her,
my friends will get hurt. Yeah, no shit, they will
all your little dirtbag friends that were paling around with Epstein.
Or how about Leon Black's son, Ben Bla, who is
in your own administration. I'm sure he is just excited
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to see all this information get dumped and his dag
get put on blast. When she suggested that the president
could invite Epstein survivors to the Oval office to show
that their stories were being heard, the president allegedly said
that they had not done anything to earn such an honor.
According to Green's account of the conversation, that should tell
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you everything you need to know about Donald Trump. Bro
is not somebody who cares about your kids, doesn't care
about you, cares about your vote, cares about you fighting
for him, but when it comes down to it, he's
not willing to fight for you. And like I always
tell you, folks, if it's fucked me, it's most certainly
fuck you. And that applies throughout my life, whether it's politics, friendships,
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whatever it might be. And considering the way that Donald
Trump has behaved, considering the way he's conducted himself throughout
this whole entire scandal, this Maelstrom, well, does Donald Trump
really deserve anyone's respect? Not from my perspective. Now, if
you want to know respect Donald Trump and support them,
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that's on you. You have to live with your own conscience.
Me personally, it's the same it's always been around here.
Anybody who's in the way of transparency or justice is
on the other side. Whether it's Donald Trump, the Pope
or whoever, I don't care. And if you were under
any illusions that Donald Trump wasn't on the other side,
this should really open your eyes. This should end all
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those illusions and show you what the reality really is.
This man does not care about what Jeffrey Epstein did.
All he cares about is protecting the people that enabled
that behavior for all those years. When reached by People
for comment. The White House dismiss Green's comments to The
Times as petty bitterness. President Trump remains the undisputed leader
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of the greatest and fastest growing political movement in American history,
the MAGA movement, how spokesperson Davis Ingle said in a statement.
On the other hand, Congresswoman Green is quitting on her
constituents in the middle of her term and abandoning the
consequential fight we're in. We don't have time for her
petty bitterness. Well, you don't have time for anything but
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enriching yourselves. You don't have time for anything but digging
the chasm between people deeper. Right, that's all you care about.
There's no conciliation, there's no coming across the aisle trying
to figure things out. And it goes for both sides.
But when we're talking about this specific issue, Trump's the
man in charge. This is the dude behind the sticks.
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He controls everything right now, has both Chambers of Congress,
the Supreme Court. And what exactly has he done? Oh
a bunch of executive orders. How much of that shit's
been codified? Oh that's right, none of it. So what
that means is the next president, whoever that might be
is going to come in and get rid of Donald
Trump's executive orders. So what did he really accomplish? Well,
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that's right, absolutely nothing, Especially when you frame it with
that as the backdrop. When you have everything lined up
like that and you can't advance anything and get it
signed into law, I think it's pretty telling, and I
think that they squandered a great opportunity to do good here.
If Trump would have just done what he said he
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was going to do and been transparent with this subject specifically,
he wouldn't be bleeding support from independence. Have you taken
a look at his numbers with independent voters right now?
Not looking good. Green, who was formally resigning from Congress
on January fifth over her refusal to be so called
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battered wife to Trump, previously described her explosive phone call
with Trump during a recent Sixty Minutes interview. We did
talk about the Epstein files, and he was extremely angry
at me that I had signed the discharge petition to
release the files, Green told CBS News Stall at the time,
referring to her decision to sign a US House petition
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pushing the government to release all documents related to Epstein.
When Stall asked Green to further describe what Trump said.
She paused. He said that it was going to hurt people.
The congresswoman replied, Yeah, what about the people that have
already been hurt. Those people don't matter, Those people don't exist.
Oh that's right. They haven't done anything extraordinary enough to
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be recognized by the White House and the President. Imagine
saying that to somebody, Imagine even having that thought popp
into your head. What an absolute buffoon. With Green's help,
the House passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act and a
stunning four hundred and twenty seven to one vote on
November eighteenth, and the bill was unanimously approved by the Senate.
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Trump signed the bill into law the following day, which
gave the federal government thirty days to release all remaining
files related to the sex trafficking investigation into Epstein. The
bill allowed for some exceptions, such as withholding anything that
is classified or that could identify victims or interfere with
an active federal investigation, giving the Department of Justice the
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ability to be selective about what they release and what
information is redacted. Well, that's the poison pill that should
have been rectified in the bill. That bill should have
had more teeth, right, And that's why I've been calling
for a special council or a special prosecutor to come
in and clean up this mess. And I think at
this point it's the only way that we can actually
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take a look at this in a fair manner. The
DOJ missed the deadline to release all files by December nineteenth,
and has been uploading thousands of pages of files on
a rolling basis, often with major redactions that omit significant context.
So far, information that has been released includes photos of
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Epstein with powerful men like Trump, Bill Clinton, and Michael Jackson,
none of whom have been accused of wrongdoing in relation
to Epstein, and an uncorroborated rape claim made against Trump
shortly before the twenty twenty election, which the DOJ characterized
as untrue and sensationalist. Well, if that's the case, and
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I'm not disputing that it is, but if that's the case,
why not bring charges to somebody that's making false claims?
If they lied in court, then somebody should be held
accountable for that, right. I would think that if somebody
is bullshitting around and they're telling serious lies like that,
especially somebody as lydigus as Donald Trump is gonna sue them,
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but I guess not. There were also some dubious pieces
of visual evidence that ended up on the DOJ website,
including a clearly fake video of Epstein's jel Cell suicide
that was uploaded and later removed. Talk about Keystone Cops.
When you have Cash Bettel as the head of the agency,
I guess you get what you're gonna get, or, as
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it's saying goes, you get what you pay for. On
December twenty third, people discovered an unauthenticated suicide note from
Jeffrey Epstein to sex offender Larry Nasser among the files,
which accused Trump of sharing their love of young New
Bile girls. And look again, I have no idea if
that's real or not, but the language is language that
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was used by Epstein for sure, New Biles. That was
an Epstein and Glenn Maxwell thing, without a doubt. But
is the letter real or not? I can't tell you
one way or the other. I don't know. The White
House initially declined to comment on the unverified note, instead
referring people to a DOJ statement about how the Epstein
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files include some unfounded allegations against the President. Hours after
People and other outlets reported on the strange note that
appeared in the files, the White House reached back out
to People with new statements from the DOJ that said
an FBI investigation had just determined the note was fake
and warned not to trust legitimacy of all documents included
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in the Epstein files, seemingly casting doubt on the newly
unsealed evidence as a whole. Now, the cynic in me
says that was all done on purpose. They let that
note be found so that they could say, look, this
is all just bs. Didn't you see that note that
Jeffrey Epstein allegedly sent to Larry Nasser that was inserted
in the files? And what they're looking to do is
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cause confusion and chaos, like I always tell you. But
the bad news for them is all of you out
there are aware of that, and you know the game
plan now, and it's not gonna work. So they could
save the gas lighting and the bullshitting for other people.
That shit is not going to work here. Reacting to
the messy rollout of the files, Epstein survivor Haley Robson,
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a Republican, told CNN, I am no longer supporting this administration.
I redact any support I've ever given to him. Pambondi,
Cash Betel. I'm so disgusted with this administration. I can't
tell you how many people I've heard that same thing
from people that voted for Trump, people that supported them,
maybe not you know, vocal like a MAGA supporter, but
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people that thought things were going to be a little different,
thought that Trump was going to focus on the things
that matter instead of the bullshitting around that he's doing.
You know, remember the no New wars. Well, here we
are about to have a war with Venezuela for no
good reason. By the way, not going to stop anything
when it comes to drugs, especially fentanyl. And for those
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of you who are new to the podcast, it's a
topic that I've extensively talked about. The war on drugs
is very personal to me because of how many people
I've lost, and I promise you that none of them
would have been saved by a boat being blown up
off the coast of Venezuela. You know what would have
saved them wrap around services, an actual facility that treated
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not only the addiction but the mental problem that comes
with it. What caused the addiction, that's what needs to
be treated. I mean, folks, not for nothing, but we
have lost like over nine hundred thousand people since twenty
eleven to drug overdose, and that's why I call it
the American genocide. So I'm not going to go too
far down that rabbit hole in this episode, but it's
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certainly a topic that is near and dear to my heart,
and I think that if we want to deal with
the drug issue, and we want to deal with it
the right way, blowing up some boats off the coast
of Venezuela is not the way to do it. Now,
if that's part of the overall strategy, great, but if
that's all you're doing, forget it. And if you want
a Maha, then it starts with taking care of all
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of the people here in this country that are dealing
with addiction. She then appeared to reference comments from Trump
that he made on December twenty second, when the President
said it's a terrible thing that photos of famous people
were being released in the Epstein files because some had
nothing to do with Epstein and simply happened to cross
paths with them at some point. So, in other words,
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what he's saying is that you're too stupid to know
the difference between people that were adjacent to Epstein and
people that were enabling them. That's what Donald Trump thinks.
He really thinks that everybody's stupid. But the truth is
the only thing that's stupid is the way that he's
managed this whole entire affair. If you're telling the public
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and the world and the survivors that just because somebody
is in a picture with him doesn't automatically mean they
were involved in the crimes against children, which I understand
and I get that fully. Then why are you so
scared to release the files? And why has there been
so much resistance? Robson wondered aloud. If it's just a picture,
why are you going above and beyond to hide the
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identities of these men? And that's the truth. If it's
just a picture and they just cross paths, the truth
will come to light. Explain yourself, like I've been telling
you to do from the very beginning. But all of
you wanted to run, all of you wanted to hide,
and now that the Butcher bill is showing up, you
don't want to pay it. Well, guess what the days
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of dining and dashing are long over, and that bill
is due and full. All of the information that goes
with this episode can be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. When it comes to Donald Trump and Marjorie
Taylor Green's relationship, there's no doubt that there is no
turning back. Donald Trump and those who support them have
completely jumped ship on Marjorie Taylor Green, and where she
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was once a darling of the movement, she's now considered
a pariah all because she demanded transparency when it comes
to Jeffrey Epstein. Now think about that for a minute
and ask yourself, what sort of movement, what sort of
man would jettison somebody as loyal as MTG over an
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issue like Jeffrey Epstein. So you choose to defend Jeffrey
Epstein's enablers, You choose to defend your friends. You choose
to defend people who did horrific things instead of just
doing what you said you were gonna do and give
us full transparency when it comes to Epstein. But Marjorie
Taylor Green's the problem. She's the issue. Huh. I mean
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it's absurd. And look, I'm not some big fan of
Marjorie Taylor Green, certainly not a big fan of the
rhetoric that she uses that divides people, especially these days.
We don't need to be divided. What we need is
a leader that's going to step up and bring everybody together,
walk back the bullshit, govern from the middle, and understand
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that if you're the president, or if you're an elected official,
you have a responsibility to the whole country, not just
to your political party, and your responsibility to the country
should come before any political party or any politician. And
say what you will about Marjorie Taylor Green, but on
this issue, she's not wrong. She's demanded transparency from the jump,
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and considering this gigantic bill that's come due for her,
you got to give her a tip of the cap. Right.
Takes courage to do this, To go against somebody like
Donald Trump in an environment such as not an easy
thing to do. So I certainly give her credit for that,
and I give her a lot of credit for being brave,
because there's a lot of people in Congress who feel
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the same way, who are scared to Donald Trump, and
they're not going to step up, They're not going to
come forward, they're not going to put their name on
the line. So it was up to people like Marjorie
Taylor Green and Thomas Massey and Nancy Mace and Lauren
Bolbert to do that. And look again, I'm not claiming
that I enjoy any of these people for their politics,
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because I am just disillusioned with the whole entire situation
when it comes to politics, no matter what side's in charge.
So it's not like I think things are going to
change the next election when the other guys get elected.
I'm old enough to understand that it's meet the new boss.
Sam is the old boss, and I've seen that my
whole entire life, and I highly doubt that changes this
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time around. Now do I want it to change? I
do we need younger people we'll run in this country.
I mean, if you're sixty five, probably a good time
to pack it in and head home and enjoy your retirement.
I'm sure you have grandkids, I'm sure you have hobbies,
whatever it might be. Quit the grift and get your
ass back home. But what happens is we get these
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people who understand that if they get these political offices,
they're going to benefit financially. And when I say benefit financially,
I mean big time, not you know, an incremental raise,
But we're talking about showing up being worth one hundred
grand and leaving being worth what thirty five million? Forty
five million? And where do you think they get that
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money from? Do you think that people just show up
and drop dough into a donation jar? Hell no, they don't.
They're donating that money and giving up that money because
they want you to do something for them. And these
politicians know that, and they're all willing to play ball,
all of them. How many of them end up leaving
being worth just an insane amount of money? Meanwhile you
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and I are grinding away making sure we have enough
money to buy a couple of chicken cutlets and some spaghetti.
It's fucking absurd. And then you have these people with
the audacity to be mad at Marjorie Taylor Green because
she wants transparency and justice when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein.
Seems kind of absurd to me, especially considering how much
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carrying on we heard from people about Wayfarer, about adrenochrome,
and just about everything else that you would have heard
on an art Bell episode a Coast to Coast ten
years ago. But they can't be bothered when faced with
an actual human trafficking ring that was international in scope,
and we have a mountain of evidence to prove it
(04:44):
all because you know politics. Today's article is from People
and the headline trump yelled my friends will get hurt
at Marjorie Taylor Green for threatening to name Epstein abusers.
She claims. This article was authored by Kyle Alverd. Georgia Representative.
Marjorie Taylor Green is offering more details about her falling
(05:05):
out with President Donald Trump, saying in the final straw
revolved around her push for more government transparency surrounding sex
offender Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. Imagine getting mad about that. It
is so crazy to me to think that a president
of the United States is willing to burn so much
political capital to defend a bunch of people who enable
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Jeffrey Epstein. And the fact that he yelled out that
his friends are going to get hurt, that's common knowledge.
We've been talking about that for how long? And this
is what I've been telling you folks for months now.
When it comes to Donald Trump, the focus should be
on the cover up, because I think there's a lot
of there there and if you want to chase the
(05:48):
salacious ghosts, you're gonna end up running into dead ends
and that's exactly what they want, make no mistake about it.
They want you chasing your tail. They want you listening
to people like Ian Carrel's dumbass and jumping all the
way down a rabbit hole and running through an endless
loop of Warrens. That's what they want. They don't want
you focused on the particulars. They don't want you focused
(06:10):
on the overall scope, and they certainly don't want you
focused on the institutions. And when you hear people talking
about this story, if they're not talking about the institutional failures,
they don't know what they're talking about. In an exhaustive
new profile for The New York Times that chronicles the
longtime Magas allies fracture with her former leader, Green told
(06:31):
journalist Robert Draper that her small disagreement with Trump throughout
the year likely got on his nerves, but it was
Epstein that drove the ultimate wedge between them. Epstein was everything.
This is what I'm saying. This is the fulcrum, folks,
This is where the battle is going to be fought.
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And if America has any soul left, we're gonna have
to come out of victorious here because this country cannot
be run by people who are to cover for animals
like Jeffrey Epstein and his associates. It's not even negotiable.
The Epstein files represent everything wrong with Washington. Green fifty
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one told The Times for the December twenty ninth profile,
which was based on multiple interviews with the outgoing Republican
congresswoman Rich powerful elites doing horrible things and getting away
with it, and the women are the victims. Well, that's
true and fair. We know that's a fact, and there's
a lot of people who didn't believe that for a
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very long time. Ah, there's no such thing as systemic corruption.
The so called elites, they might be a little degenerate,
but they're not involved in anything like this. Yeah, okay, sure,
tell me you've never met someone who considers themselves one
of the so called elite without telling me. And folks, look,
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when I work for Kenner Fitzgerald, I met my fair
share of degenerate people, and the vast majority of these
fools were working in the financial sector. So my personal
experience with them is not good. And then you look
at the overall picture and you understand why if the
frontline employees are the way that these people are. Can
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you imagine how the executives are? Can you imagine the
kind of bullshit that's going on at their eyes wide
shut party? Over at Howie Lutnix House. In September, Green
spoke directly at Epstein's survivors during a closed door house
oversight hearing, which moved her to fight for accountability on
their behalf. After leaving the hearing, she rallied reporters and
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publicly threatened that, if necessary, she would work with victims
to reveal the names of Epstein's associates who perpetrated sexual
abuse against women and girls. That threat, she said, resulted
in a hostile phone call from the President their last
proper conversation. According to The Times, which heard about the
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call through both Green and one of her staff, Trump
seventy nine rang her Capitol Hill office the voices frustration
with he republic advocacy on the issue. The whole office
could allegedly hear him yelling at her on speakerphone. According
to the staffer, real tough guy that Donnie diddles huh
given Marjorie Taylor Green the business over the phone, But
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that shit tracks sounds like something that Donald Trump would do.
There's no loyalty to country. There's no loyalty to the citizens.
It's only loyalty to Donald Trump and whatever scumbag he
wants you to protect. I guess, but the truth is,
Marjorie Taylor Green was more maga than just about anyone,
and even that wasn't good enough. Green claimed that when
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she expressed confusion to Trump on the call over his
resistance over outing potential Epstein conspirators, the president told her,
my friends will get hurt. Yeah, no shit, they will
all your little dirtbag friends that were paling around with Epstein.
Or how about Leon Black's son, Ben Bla, who is
in your own administration. I'm sure he is just excited
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to see all this information get dumped and his dag
get put on blast. When she suggested that the president
could invite Epstein survivors to the Oval office to show
that their stories were being heard, the president allegedly said
that they had not done anything to earn such an honor.
According to Green's account of the conversation, that should tell
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you everything you need to know about Donald Trump. Bro
is not somebody who cares about your kids, doesn't care
about you, cares about your vote, cares about you fighting
for him, but when it comes down to it, he's
not willing to fight for you. And like I always
tell you, folks, if it's fucked me, it's most certainly
fuck you. And that applies throughout my life, whether it's politics, friendships,
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whatever it might be. And considering the way that Donald
Trump has behaved, considering the way he's conducted himself throughout
this whole entire scandal, this Maelstrom, well, does Donald Trump
really deserve anyone's respect? Not from my perspective. Now, if
you want to know respect Donald Trump and support them,
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that's on you. You have to live with your own conscience.
Me personally, it's the same it's always been around here.
Anybody who's in the way of transparency or justice is
on the other side. Whether it's Donald Trump, the Pope
or whoever, I don't care. And if you were under
any illusions that Donald Trump wasn't on the other side,
this should really open your eyes. This should end all
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those illusions and show you what the reality really is.
This man does not care about what Jeffrey Epstein did.
All he cares about is protecting the people that enabled
that behavior for all those years. When reached by People
for comment. The White House dismiss Green's comments to The
Times as petty bitterness. President Trump remains the undisputed leader
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of the greatest and fastest growing political movement in American history,
the MAGA movement, how spokesperson Davis Ingle said in a statement.
On the other hand, Congresswoman Green is quitting on her
constituents in the middle of her term and abandoning the
consequential fight we're in. We don't have time for her
petty bitterness. Well, you don't have time for anything but
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enriching yourselves. You don't have time for anything but digging
the chasm between people deeper. Right, that's all you care about.
There's no conciliation, there's no coming across the aisle trying
to figure things out. And it goes for both sides.
But when we're talking about this specific issue, Trump's the
man in charge. This is the dude behind the sticks.
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He controls everything right now, has both Chambers of Congress,
the Supreme Court. And what exactly has he done? Oh
a bunch of executive orders. How much of that shit's
been codified? Oh that's right, none of it. So what
that means is the next president, whoever that might be
is going to come in and get rid of Donald
Trump's executive orders. So what did he really accomplish? Well,
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that's right, absolutely nothing, Especially when you frame it with
that as the backdrop. When you have everything lined up
like that and you can't advance anything and get it
signed into law, I think it's pretty telling, and I
think that they squandered a great opportunity to do good here.
If Trump would have just done what he said he
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was going to do and been transparent with this subject specifically,
he wouldn't be bleeding support from independence. Have you taken
a look at his numbers with independent voters right now?
Not looking good. Green, who was formally resigning from Congress
on January fifth over her refusal to be so called
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battered wife to Trump, previously described her explosive phone call
with Trump during a recent Sixty Minutes interview. We did
talk about the Epstein files, and he was extremely angry
at me that I had signed the discharge petition to
release the files, Green told CBS News Stall at the time,
referring to her decision to sign a US House petition
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pushing the government to release all documents related to Epstein.
When Stall asked Green to further describe what Trump said.
She paused. He said that it was going to hurt people.
The congresswoman replied, Yeah, what about the people that have
already been hurt. Those people don't matter, Those people don't exist.
Oh that's right. They haven't done anything extraordinary enough to
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be recognized by the White House and the President. Imagine
saying that to somebody, Imagine even having that thought popp
into your head. What an absolute buffoon. With Green's help,
the House passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act and a
stunning four hundred and twenty seven to one vote on
November eighteenth, and the bill was unanimously approved by the Senate.
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Trump signed the bill into law the following day, which
gave the federal government thirty days to release all remaining
files related to the sex trafficking investigation into Epstein. The
bill allowed for some exceptions, such as withholding anything that
is classified or that could identify victims or interfere with
an active federal investigation, giving the Department of Justice the
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ability to be selective about what they release and what
information is redacted. Well, that's the poison pill that should
have been rectified in the bill. That bill should have
had more teeth, right, And that's why I've been calling
for a special council or a special prosecutor to come
in and clean up this mess. And I think at
this point it's the only way that we can actually
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take a look at this in a fair manner. The
DOJ missed the deadline to release all files by December nineteenth,
and has been uploading thousands of pages of files on
a rolling basis, often with major redactions that omit significant context.
So far, information that has been released includes photos of
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Epstein with powerful men like Trump, Bill Clinton, and Michael Jackson,
none of whom have been accused of wrongdoing in relation
to Epstein, and an uncorroborated rape claim made against Trump
shortly before the twenty twenty election, which the DOJ characterized
as untrue and sensationalist. Well, if that's the case, and
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I'm not disputing that it is, but if that's the case,
why not bring charges to somebody that's making false claims?
If they lied in court, then somebody should be held
accountable for that, right. I would think that if somebody
is bullshitting around and they're telling serious lies like that,
especially somebody as lydigus as Donald Trump is gonna sue them,
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but I guess not. There were also some dubious pieces
of visual evidence that ended up on the DOJ website,
including a clearly fake video of Epstein's jel Cell suicide
that was uploaded and later removed. Talk about Keystone Cops.
When you have Cash Bettel as the head of the agency,
I guess you get what you're gonna get, or, as
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it's saying goes, you get what you pay for. On
December twenty third, people discovered an unauthenticated suicide note from
Jeffrey Epstein to sex offender Larry Nasser among the files,
which accused Trump of sharing their love of young New
Bile girls. And look again, I have no idea if
that's real or not, but the language is language that
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was used by Epstein for sure, New Biles. That was
an Epstein and Glenn Maxwell thing, without a doubt. But
is the letter real or not? I can't tell you
one way or the other. I don't know. The White
House initially declined to comment on the unverified note, instead
referring people to a DOJ statement about how the Epstein
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files include some unfounded allegations against the President. Hours after
People and other outlets reported on the strange note that
appeared in the files, the White House reached back out
to People with new statements from the DOJ that said
an FBI investigation had just determined the note was fake
and warned not to trust legitimacy of all documents included
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in the Epstein files, seemingly casting doubt on the newly
unsealed evidence as a whole. Now, the cynic in me
says that was all done on purpose. They let that
note be found so that they could say, look, this
is all just bs. Didn't you see that note that
Jeffrey Epstein allegedly sent to Larry Nasser that was inserted
in the files? And what they're looking to do is
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cause confusion and chaos, like I always tell you. But
the bad news for them is all of you out
there are aware of that, and you know the game
plan now, and it's not gonna work. So they could
save the gas lighting and the bullshitting for other people.
That shit is not going to work here. Reacting to
the messy rollout of the files, Epstein survivor Haley Robson,
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a Republican, told CNN, I am no longer supporting this administration.
I redact any support I've ever given to him. Pambondi,
Cash Betel. I'm so disgusted with this administration. I can't
tell you how many people I've heard that same thing
from people that voted for Trump, people that supported them,
maybe not you know, vocal like a MAGA supporter, but
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people that thought things were going to be a little different,
thought that Trump was going to focus on the things
that matter instead of the bullshitting around that he's doing.
You know, remember the no New wars. Well, here we
are about to have a war with Venezuela for no
good reason. By the way, not going to stop anything
when it comes to drugs, especially fentanyl. And for those
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of you who are new to the podcast, it's a
topic that I've extensively talked about. The war on drugs
is very personal to me because of how many people
I've lost, and I promise you that none of them
would have been saved by a boat being blown up
off the coast of Venezuela. You know what would have
saved them wrap around services, an actual facility that treated
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not only the addiction but the mental problem that comes
with it. What caused the addiction, that's what needs to
be treated. I mean, folks, not for nothing, but we
have lost like over nine hundred thousand people since twenty
eleven to drug overdose, and that's why I call it
the American genocide. So I'm not going to go too
far down that rabbit hole in this episode, but it's
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certainly a topic that is near and dear to my heart,
and I think that if we want to deal with
the drug issue, and we want to deal with it
the right way, blowing up some boats off the coast
of Venezuela is not the way to do it. Now,
if that's part of the overall strategy, great, but if
that's all you're doing, forget it. And if you want
a Maha, then it starts with taking care of all
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of the people here in this country that are dealing
with addiction. She then appeared to reference comments from Trump
that he made on December twenty second, when the President
said it's a terrible thing that photos of famous people
were being released in the Epstein files because some had
nothing to do with Epstein and simply happened to cross
paths with them at some point. So, in other words,
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what he's saying is that you're too stupid to know
the difference between people that were adjacent to Epstein and
people that were enabling them. That's what Donald Trump thinks.
He really thinks that everybody's stupid. But the truth is
the only thing that's stupid is the way that he's
managed this whole entire affair. If you're telling the public
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and the world and the survivors that just because somebody
is in a picture with him doesn't automatically mean they
were involved in the crimes against children, which I understand
and I get that fully. Then why are you so
scared to release the files? And why has there been
so much resistance? Robson wondered aloud. If it's just a picture,
why are you going above and beyond to hide the
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identities of these men? And that's the truth. If it's
just a picture and they just cross paths, the truth
will come to light. Explain yourself, like I've been telling
you to do from the very beginning. But all of
you wanted to run, all of you wanted to hide,
and now that the Butcher bill is showing up, you
don't want to pay it. Well, guess what the days
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of dining and dashing are long over, and that bill
is due and full. All of the information that goes
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