Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 5) (12/29/25)

The newly unsealed New York grand jury materials related to Ghislaine Maxwell provide a clearer window into how federal prosecutors built the case that ultimately led to her conviction. The documents outline the scope of witness testimony, evidentiary focus, and investigative priorities considered by the grand jury, reinforcing that Maxwell was not viewed as a peripheral figure but as a central facilitator within Jeffrey Epstein’s trafficking operation. While much of the material aligns with facts already established at trial—including patterns of recruitment, grooming, and abuse—the unsealing confirms that prosecutors presented a structured, victim-centered narrative to the grand jury well before Maxwell’s arrest, countering claims that the case was rushed or politically motivated.

At the same time, the documents have drawn attention for what they do not contain. The grand jury materials remain narrowly focused on Maxwell’s conduct and charges, offering little insight into why broader conspiracy cases against other Epstein associates were never pursued in New York. This has fueled renewed scrutiny of prosecutorial discretion and investigative limits, as the records show a deliberate effort to secure Maxwell’s indictment while leaving larger questions about Epstein’s network unresolved. For critics and survivors alike, the unsealing represents both a measure of long-delayed transparency and a reminder of how much of the Epstein story remains outside the bounds of criminal accountability.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the Glenn Maxwell Grand Jerry documents.
Question from what redacted told you when she got there?
Who else was at the ranch beside Glenn Maxwell and
Jeffrey Epstein? Answer it was just them? Question Was it

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just the three of them the entire weekend of the visit?
Answer yes. Question were there any other school kids there?
Answer no? Question when they were at the ranch? From
what redacted told you? Did Maxwell say anything to redacted
about massages? Answer yes? Question did you say anything to
her about a foot massage? Answer yes? Question what did

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redacted tell you about that? Answer? Maxwell told her Redacted
to give Epstein a foot massage, and then she showed
her and instructed her how to do it. Redacted was
a little uncomfortable, but Maxwell was joking around, so she
just followed her lead question did redacted tell you what
Maxwell and Epstein took her to the movies that weekend?
Answer yes. Question what did she tell you about the

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trip to the movies? Answer she said that when they
went outside the theater, Maxwell was joking around and pulled
Epstein's pants down a little bit, and then once they
went inside the theater, Epstein, when they were sitting down,
Epstein touched Redacted's leg, He rubbed her arm, held her hand,
and this time he Redacted felt that he wasn't trying

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to hide it from Maxwell. Question what was Redacted's reaction
to all of this? Answer? She was uncomfortable. Question during
the same weekend, was there another occasion when Maxwell talked
about massages? Answer? Yes, question what happened? Answer? Maxwell asked
Redacted if she ever had a massage, and Maxwell told
her she could give her one. So Redacted was on

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her back and Maxwell had pulled the sheet down, exposing
her chest. She was nude from the top up and
proceeded to massage around her chest and breast area. Question
from what Redacted told you when she was ascribing to
you what you just described to the grand jury? How
did she feel while this was happening? Answer she felt
really uncomfortable. Question did he redacted also tell you about

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an incident that happened one morning when she was in
New Mexico? Answer yes, Question what did she tell you happened?
Answer she said that she was in bed and Epstein
came into the room and told her that he wanted
to cuddle, so he laid down next to her and
spooned her. She told him she had to go to
the bathroom to get up and out of the situation.

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Question what was her reaction to that when Epstein got
into her bed? Answer she was uncomfortable. She didn't know
what to do. Question did he Redacted go back home
to Arizona when the weekend was over? Answer? Yes, she did.
Question did she tell anyone when she got home about
what had happened? Answer no? Question is that for the
same reason you described earlier? Answer yes. Question did Epstein

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end up paying for Redacted to go on a trip
to Thailand that summer? Answer yes yes. Question did or
Redacted have any contact with Maxwell or Epstein after that trip?
Answer not that she recalled. Question when you interviewed redacted?
What was her last What was her demeanor like when
she described her interaction with Epstein and Maxwell? Answer she
became upset emotional. Question is Redacted currently pursuing a civil

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lawsuit against Maxwell and Epstein's estate? Answer? Yes, she is.
Question what does redacted do for a living now? Answer
she's a psychologist who works with trauma victims. Question during
the course of this investigation, have you interviewed someone nam
or redacted? Answer yes. Question For today's purpose, I'm just
going to refer to her as redacted. How many times

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have you interviewed redacted? Approximately? Answer approximately three times. Question
turning to the next slide, is this a photograph of
redacted that she provided to you? Answer yes. Question And
did she tell you that this was taken when she
was in approximately sixteen or seventeen years old? Answer yes?

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Question is redacted's date of birth? Redacted? Answer yes? Question
Did a redacted grow up in England? Answer yes she did.
Question did she tell you that their camel point when
she met Glaine Maxwell when she was about seventeen? Answer yes.
Question how did she tell you that they met? Answer
she said they met through a mutual friend. Question. Did

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she tell you that this would have happened in four
around ninety four or ninety five? Answer yes. Question and
is that within the same time period that we've been
talking about today? Answer yes. What happened after she was
introduced to Glaine Maxwell from what she told you? Answer
she said Maxwell treated her like they were sisters. Her

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quote was like naughty schoolgirls is how Maxwell treated with her.
Question did she tell you that Maxwell seemed to immediately
take an interest in her? Answer? Yes, question did she
tell you that they began spending time together in London?
Answer yes, question? And just to be clear, was Maxwell
in her thirties while this was happening? Answer yes, question

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did Maxwell? Did redacted ever remember Maxwell ever talking about
having a boyfriend named Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes, question, and
what did she tell redacted about that? Answer? Maxwell told
her redacted that Epstein was going to like her. Question
Did there come a time when she was seventeen that
redacted describe that Maxwell introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes, question,

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How did she describe that occurring? Answer? Epstein had flown
to London. He was at Maxwell's residence in London and
Maxwell had called or adacted over, so she went over
and she got there. Maxwell was saying to Epstein kind
of the words redacted used, was giving him a resume
of her tributes, saying she's so pretty, she's so strong,
and then Maxwell asked her to give Epstein a massage.

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Question Now you testified just a moment ago that Maxwell
that redacted described to you that Maxwell asked her to
give Epstein a massage during this first meeting. Is that correct?
Answer yes. Question did Maxwell say to her and some
in substance, since you are so strong, I'd appreciate it
if you give Jeffrey a massage because he needs a
massage every day, or I get in trouble? Answer yes,

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she said that. Question is that what redacted said to
you and some in substance? Answer yes. Question when that happened?
Did redacted or remember Maxwell leading her to a room
in the house? Answer yes. Question what happened? Answer when
redacted when in the room, Epstein was in a robe.
He took off his robe and she started massaging him,

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and then he touched his redacted and pulled her hand
to his penis. Question what does redacted remember Epstein saying
when he did this? Answered don't be frigid? Question what
was her reaction when this happened? From what she told you?
Answer she was taken aback by it. Question why this
episode ended and redacted left the room? Did she tell

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you that she remembered Maxwell being just outside the room
when she left? Answer yes. Question did you remember Maxwell
saying to her? Did you have fun? Did you like it? Answer? Yes.
Question does she remember Maxwell calling her several days afterwards
or at some short period of time afterwards. Answer yes
she did. Question did Redacted remember Maxwell saying to her

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on the phone call and summon substance, well aren't you
a clever girl? Jeffrey was very impressed? Answer yes. Question
shortly after this incident, does she remember Maxwell asking her
to come back over to the house? Answer yes. Question
and when she got there, did she tell you she
remembered Maxwell saying to her in substance, thank God you're here.

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If it's not you or someone, it falls to me.
Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell bringing her up
the stairs to that on that occasion? Answer yes she did.
Question what does she remember happening when Maxwell opened the
door of the room. Answer Epstein was standing their nude.
Question Does she remember Maxwell then saying I'll leave you

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guys to it? Answer yes. Question After these first two encounters,
did Epstein and Maxwell invite Redacted to travel with them
the Palm Beach, US, Virgin Islands, Paris, and New York
for the next several years? Answer yes they did. Question
does she remember whether these trips began before or after
her sixteenth birthday? Answer she couldn't remember specifically. Question before

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these trips started. You were describing earlier when Redacted told
you about the time that she spent with Maxwell when
they first met when she was seventeen. Is that right?
Answer yes. During these conversations when she would spend time
with Maxwell, did a Redacted or remember talking with her
about her life and her family and her personal circumstances

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with Maxwell. Answer yes. Yes. Question now you testified a
moment ago that Redacted told you that at some point
she began traveling with Maxwell and Epstein, and she wasn't
sure whether or not whether these trips started before she
turned eighteen. Is that right answer yes. Question did redacted
describe to you that Epstein sexually abused her during these trips,

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typically in the context of sexualized massage. Answer yes she did.
Question did Epstein give her money? Answer yes. Question did
she tell you that he would give her cash? Answer yes.
Question did she describe to you that the abuse included,
among other things, Epstein groping her and using a massage
or device on her genitals? Answer yes. Question and what

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was the massage device like a vibrator? Answer yes, it was.
Question from what redacted told you was Maxwell in the
room during these encounters. Answer Maxwell wasn't in the room.
Question what did she tell you what typically happened when
Redacted left the room after these episodes? Was Maxwell typically nearby?

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Answer yes, she was usually right near the room. Question
does she remember Maxwell asking her after she'd leave the
room for one of these sessions? How was it? Is
he happy? Answer yes. Question did she also tell you
that she remembers Maxwell telling her at some point and
summon substance. You know how he is when he's not happy,

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and you know what makes him happy? He asked to
have sex all the time. He is like a superhero.
Answer yes, she said that. Question did redacta tell you
about an incident that occurred after she turned eighteen in
Palm Beach when she was staying at the Palm Beach House.
Answer yes. Question did the incident she described to you
involve a schoolgirl outfit? Answer yes it did. Question could

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you please describe for the grand jury what redacted told
you about that incident? Answer? Redacted said that Maxwell had
shown her to a bedroom and on the bed was
a schoolgirl outfit, and Maxwell told her when Redacted confronted
her about it, and Maxwell said, well, I thought it
would be adorable if you gave Jeffrey his tea in
this so Redacted felt like she had to put it on,

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So she put it on, took Epstein his tea, and
Epstein then slapped her on the buttocks and reached under
the skirt and touched her. Question what was her demeanor
like when she described this incident to you? Answer? She
was crying. She was very upset when Redacted described seeing
the school girl outfit and talking to Maxwell about it.

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Did you remember Maxwell telling her don't be so frigid?
Answer yes. Question does you remember that later in the day,
after she had delivered Epstein's tea and he assaulted her.
Does she remember Maxwell telling her I heard you did well? Answer? Yes.
All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here,
and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're

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