Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 6) (12/29/25)

The newly unsealed New York grand jury materials related to Ghislaine Maxwell provide a clearer window into how federal prosecutors built the case that ultimately led to her conviction. The documents outline the scope of witness testimony, evidentiary focus, and investigative priorities considered by the grand jury, reinforcing that Maxwell was not viewed as a peripheral figure but as a central facilitator within Jeffrey Epstein’s trafficking operation. While much of the material aligns with facts already established at trial—including patterns of recruitment, grooming, and abuse—the unsealing confirms that prosecutors presented a structured, victim-centered narrative to the grand jury well before Maxwell’s arrest, countering claims that the case was rushed or politically motivated.

At the same time, the documents have drawn attention for what they do not contain. The grand jury materials remain narrowly focused on Maxwell’s conduct and charges, offering little insight into why broader conspiracy cases against other Epstein associates were never pursued in New York. This has fueled renewed scrutiny of prosecutorial discretion and investigative limits, as the records show a deliberate effort to secure Maxwell’s indictment while leaving larger questions about Epstein’s network unresolved. For critics and survivors alike, the unsealing represents both a measure of long-delayed transparency and a reminder of how much of the Epstein story remains outside the bounds of criminal accountability.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the Glene Maxwell grand jury
documents from twenty twenty. Question. During the years that redacted
was in contact with Maxwell and Epstein, did you remember
whether Maxwell would ever ask her if she knew any

(00:20):
other girls who could massage Epstein? Answer yes. Question does
she remember Maxwell saying in some substance, do you know
anyone who can give him a blowjob? Today? I don't
feel like it. Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell
saying when she asked her to bring other girls that
they have to look young at least answer yes. Question

(00:41):
from your conversations with redacted? Did she tell you whether
or not she ever brought any other girls? Answer redacted
didn't bring any girls. Question did she tell you why not?
Answer she didn't want anyone else to go through that
question from your interviews with redacted? Did she tell you
that there came a time when she was in her
early twenties when she stopped traveling with Maxwell and Epstein?

(01:04):
Answer yes. Question was she suffering from substance abuse at
that point? Answer yes, she was. Question did she tell
you that she got sober in her twenties. Answer yes,
she did. Question what's her current profession answer she runs
a nonprofit for people who struggle with addiction and trauma.
Question did he redacted provide you with several emails that

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she exchanged with Epstein in the early two thousands? Answer
yes she did. Question and were those emails very friendly
in tone? Answer? Yes they were. Question what did she
say to you when you talked with her about those emails?
Answer she said she didn't at the time want to
acknowledge what was going on with her that looking back
on it's different. Question did your squad at the FBI

(01:49):
execute a search warrant at Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan
in July of twenty nineteen? Answer yes. Question did you
personally participate in the search of Epstein's resident Yes? Answer
yes I did. Question did the townhouse include a massage room?
Answer yes. Question have you yourself been in the massage room?

(02:09):
Answer yes, I have. Question could you please describe for
the grand jury what that massage room looked like? Answer?
It was dark. It had dark draperies covering the windows.
There was a massage table, there were oils, There was
a handheld massager in there, along with handcuffs, a whip,
and along the walls there were nude photographs of young females.
Question I believe you testified a moment ago that redacted

(02:32):
told you that there was a time where Maxwell had
asked her to wear a schoolgirl outfit for Epstein when
they were in Palm Beach. Did you find a schoolgirl
outfit in Epstein's New York townhouse? Answer yes, we did.
Question where did you find it? Answer? It was found
in a room next to the massage room. Question and
to be clear, did the FBI find sex toys during

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the search? Answer yes? Question what was found? Answer? Butt plugs,
dildo vibrators. Question We've talked about three minor girls today
redacted and redacted? Is that right? Answer yes? Question have
you reviewed the proposed indictment Mark Grand Jerry Exhibit seventeen.
Answer yes, I have. Question is redacted. The individual referred

(03:15):
to as victim one in the proposed indictment answer yes,
question is redacted. The individual referred to as victim two
in the proposed indictment. Answer yes, is redacted. The individual
referred to as victim three in the indictment. Answer yes,
question during all of Maxwell's interactions with the victims when
they were underage girls. Based on the timeframe and your

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knowledge of Maxwell's birthdate, was she in her thirties? Answer yes,
she was. Question just one moment, all right, switching gears.
Have you become aware that in or about twenty sixteen,
Maxwell gave sworn testimony in a civil deposition in connection
with this lawsuit? Answer yes. Question Could you please explain
for the grand jury? What is the deposition? Answer It's

(04:01):
a statement made under oath. Question And in the course
of civil litigation, is it common for witnesses or the
parties of the lawsuit to give a deposition under oath
where they testify about substance of the case? Answer yes.
Question and is deposition testimony live and in person and
under oath? Answer yes. Question Is a court reporter present

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when a deposition takes place? Answer yes. Question. Now, before
we talk about Maxwell's deposition testimony, I want to talk
with you about the lawsuit that the testimony was about.
Have you become aware that in or about twenty fifteen,
an individual named redacted filed a lawsuit against Maxwell here
in the Southern District of New York. Answer yes, question

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and was redacted suing Maxwell for defamation? Answer? Yes, she was.
Question was the lawsuit captioned redacted against Glayne Maxwell in
the Southern District of New York? Answer yes. Question generally
speaking and in broad strokes, What was the lawsuit about?
What was the claim that redacted was bringing against Maxwell? Answer?

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Redacted had stated that she had been sexually abused by
Epstein and Maxwell as a minor. Maxwell came forward publicly
and called her a liar, So redacted suitor for defamation misredacted.
So just a small legal instruction on this topic, Ladies
and gentlemen, I instruct you that the allegations in the
lawsuit are not being presented to you as evidence that

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those incidents occurred. I instruct you that you should not
consider those allegations for their truth. Instead, the circumstances of
the lawsuit are being presented to you so that you
can consider the context of the case and the circumstances
under which miss Maxwell made statements under oath by misredacted.
Question turning back to the deposition, did Maxwell's deposition take

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place over two different days? Answer yes, question on both days?
Did she give testimony in Manhattan? Answer yes, she did
is that where the deposition took place? Answer yes, question
and on both days was Maxwell sworn under oath? Answer yes,
question if you could flip through the remaining slides in

(06:11):
the presentation to those slides contain true and accurate excerpts
of the transcript of that deposition? Answer yes, question, turning
to the next slide. Is this the cover page of
the transcript of the first deposition that took place on
April twenty second, twenty sixteen? Answer yes, question, and does
it have the case caption on it? Answer yes it does. Question,

(06:34):
turning to the next slide. Is this an excerpt from
the transcript? Answer yes, question. I imagine the grand juries can't
read it from their seats, so if you could read
it with me, I'll read the questions and if you
could read the answers. Question, did Jeffrey Epstein have a
scheme to recruit underage girls for a massage? And it
appears there was an objection from the lawyer? Question if

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you know? Answer, I don't know what you were talking about?
The answer? Was that that Maxwell's answer in the testimony?
Answer yes, question. Just to be clear, you testified earlier
that redacted participated in sexualized massages with Epstein and Maxwell.
Is that right? Answer? Yes, question? And redacted was a
minor when that occurred? Answer yes, question. And did you

(07:20):
also testify earlier that Maxwell that redacted told you that
Maxwell asked her to give Epstein massages when she was
a miner. Answer yes. Question. If you could turn to
the next slide, please, is this another excerpt from the
same deposition? Answer yes, it is. Question all right, I'll
read the question and you can read the answer. Question.

(07:41):
List all the people under the age of eighteen that
you've interacted with at any of Jeffrey Epstein's properties. Answer Maxwell,
I'm not aware of anybody that I interacted with other
than obviously redacted who was seventeen at this point. Question.
Just to be clear, you testified earlier about two girls
under the age of eighteen who interacted with Maxwell at

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Epstein's properties. Is that correct answer? Yes, question, and those
individuals were redacted and redacted who told you that? Correct answer? Yes,
that's correct. Question, turning to the next slide. Is this
the cover page of the transcript from the deposition that
took place on July twenty second, twenty sixteen. Answer yes, question,

(08:23):
and again, was this Maxwell giving testimony as part of
the testimony under oath here in Manhattan. Answer yes, question,
If you could please turn to the next slide. Is
that an excerpt? Are these two excerpts from that deposition?
Answer yes, question again, I'll read the questions if you
could please read the answers. Question were you aware of

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the presence of sex toys or devices used in sexual
activities in mister Epstein's pom Beach house? There's an objection
from the lawyer. Answer Maxwell's answer, no, not that I recall. Question.
Do you know whether mister Epstein possess second toys or
devices used in sexual activity? There's an objection from the lawyer,
Answer Maxwell, no question. Just to be clear, you testified

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earlier that Redacted told you he found sex toys in
the massage room in the pom Beach and also that
he had seen that Maxwell had a basket of sex
toys in her closet. There is that correct answer? Yes,
that's correct question. And is it correct that you testified
earlier that Epstein had used a vibrator on redacted? Is
that correct answer? Yes, that's correct question. And did you

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also testify earlier that Redacted told you he did that
as well. Answer yes, that's correct. Question. And did you
also testify earlier that sex toys were found by the
police in the pom Beach house in two thousand and five?
Is that right? Answer yes, question. And did you also
testify earlier that the FBI found sex toys in Epstein's

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New York City townhouse in twenty nineteen? Answer yes, that's correct. Question.
If you could please turn to the next slide. This
is on page twenty seven. Is this Are these also
excerpts from that deposition? Answer? Yes, question again, I'll read
the questions. If you could please read the answers. Question

(10:15):
other than yourself and the blonde and brunette that have
identified as having been involved in three ways sexual activities,
with whom did mister Abstein have sexual activities? There's an
objection from the lawyer. Maxwell's answer, I wasn't aware that
he was having sexual activities with anyone when I was
with them other than myself. Question, I want to be

(10:36):
sure that I'm clear. Is it your testimony that in
the nineties and two thousands that you were not aware
that mister Abstein was having sexual activity with anyone other
than yourself and the blonde and Brunette on those few
occasions when they were involved with you. Maxwell's answer, that
is my statement, that's my testimony. That is correct. Question.
Have you reviewed the deposition transcripts? Answer? Yes, question in full.

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Now the excerpt we just read has a reference to
a blonde and brunette. Are those individuals completely different from
the individuals we've been talking about today? Answer yes. Question.
Just to be clear, is it correct that you testified
earlier that redacted and redacted told you that Epstein sexually
abused them repeatedly? Is that correct? Answer? Yes, question. And

(11:22):
did you also testify earlier that Maxwell was occasionally present
when Epstein was abusing redacted based on what she told you? Answer? Yes,
that's correct. Question. Turning to the next slide. Is this
also an excerpt from that same deposition answer I'm sorry, question,
I'm sorry, Turning to the next slide on page twenty eight,
Is this also an excerpt from the same deposition? Answer? Yes, question,

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Thank you? Okay, if we could again read that together,
I'll take the question, if you could take the answer. Question,
let's just tie that down. Is it your testimony that
you've never given anybody a massage? Maxwell's answer, I have
not given anyone a massage. Question You've never given mister
Epstein a massage? Is that your testimony? Maxwell's answer? That's

(12:08):
my testimony. You never give Redacted a massage? Is that
your testimony? Maxwell's answer, I never give redacted a massage.
Question Just to be clear, as you testified earlier, is
it correct that Redacted told you that Maxwell gave her
a massage when they were in New Mexico? Answer yes.
Question have you told the grand jury everything that you

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know about this case? Or have you just answered the
questions that I've asked? Answer? I've just answered the questions
that you've asked. Question And when you testified about the
documents that you've reviewed or the conversations that you've had
with others, were you testifying to the exact words or
just the substance of the documents or conversations? Answer the
substance question? And are you willing to return to the

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grand jury if the grand jury has any further questions
for you? Answer yes, Misredacted. With the four persons permits,
I'd ask that the witness be excused at this time.
For a person You're excused, all right, folks, that's gonna
do it for the Galain Maxwell grand jury transcript from
the SDNY in twenty twenty. All of the information that

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