December 3, 2025 • 17 mins
Jeffrey Epstein’s legal team spent years working to conceal the worst details of his crimes through aggressive legal maneuvering, intimidation tactics, and highly orchestrated settlements. They used confidentiality agreements and NDAs to silence survivors, pressuring them into signing documents that barred them from speaking publicly or cooperating with investigators. His lawyers also fought relentlessly to seal court records and suppress testimony, framing the allegations as unreliable, sensationalized, or financially motivated. By deploying an army of high-powered attorneys — including well-connected political figures and constitutional scholars — they attempted to create an image of Epstein as a misunderstood philanthropist targeted by opportunists rather than a serial predator.
At the same time, Epstein’s legal strategy relied heavily on influence and manipulation of the justice system. His lawyers negotiated the infamous 2008 non-prosecution agreement, which not only granted him minimal punishment but also protected unnamed co-conspirators and shut down ongoing federal investigations. They leveraged personal connections, political pressure, and procedural technicalities to steer the case away from public scrutiny, turning what should have been an open examination of a large trafficking network into a secret deal that concealed the scale of the abuse. Ultimately, the tactics his lawyers used to mask his crimes became central to public outrage, exposing a system where wealth and power were weaponized to shield a predator rather than protect his victims.
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At the same time, Epstein’s legal strategy relied heavily on influence and manipulation of the justice system. His lawyers negotiated the infamous 2008 non-prosecution agreement, which not only granted him minimal punishment but also protected unnamed co-conspirators and shut down ongoing federal investigations. They leveraged personal connections, political pressure, and procedural technicalities to steer the case away from public scrutiny, turning what should have been an open examination of a large trafficking network into a secret deal that concealed the scale of the abuse. Ultimately, the tactics his lawyers used to mask his crimes became central to public outrage, exposing a system where wealth and power were weaponized to shield a predator rather than protect his victims.
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bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-epstein-chronicles--5003294/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Today,
we're going to go all the way back to twenty
and fifteen, and we're going to talk a little bit
more about how Jeffrey Epstein and his lawyers wanted to
keep sealed documents sealed, and it was such a move
on their part that his whole entire legal team, including
(00:23):
Judge Reinhart, was so invested that they moved to keep
these things from being unsealed. Personally, Now, why would the
lawyers in this case be so adamant to keep the
negotiations as far as the plea deal sealed? Why are
they so invested in that? What are they so worried about?
(00:43):
What are they hiding? Why are they so worried about
the public knowing how that plea deal went down? Well,
let's dive into this article from Above the Law and
let's see what was going on in twenty and fifteen
headline Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers want to seal documents to stop
(01:05):
the frolic with the media. This article was published by
Above the Law and it was published on January thirtieth
of twenty fifteen. The author of this article is Tomorrow taboo.
Lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein the billionaires, the billionaires suspected of
paying underage girls. You mean the billionaire pedophile who was
(01:27):
raping underage girls to give them X rated massages. No, no,
so we could rape them are fighting to keep plea
negotiations between Epstein's attorneys and prosecutors out of public view.
Now why would they be so adamant on doing that?
What is in this plea deal? What did they lay
out for the federal government that would get the federal
(01:47):
government at the DOJ level to bite? What could they
dangle that would make the DOJ play ball. Epstein is
implicated in a suit against federal prosecutors brought by women
who claim to have been sexually abused by Epstein when
they were miners. The plaintiffs claim that the government failed
(02:08):
to fulfill its duty under the Crime Victim's Rights Act
to involve Epstein's survivors in the settlement process. The women
contend that the government instead secretly handed a sweetheart deal
to the well connected billionaire pedophile and any of his
possible co conspirators. The women are represented by lawyers Brad
Edwards and Paul Cassel. Now we know that the court
(02:30):
has already deemed this plea deal illegal. All right, so
the court said that this plea deal was bunch of bupkists,
a bunch of garbage. But yet somehow it still stands,
and we still don't have any information about how this
plea deal came into place. You want to talk about
a veil of secrecy, you want to talk about shadowy,
(02:51):
This is what I'm talking about. And I don't know
how people aren't more fired up about this. You would
think that people who are demanding transparency all day every
day on TV from everybody would demand some transparency here
as well. Because this has a reverberating effect through the
whole entire Department of Justice, through the whole legal system.
(03:15):
How can anyone be okay with people like Epstein being
able to manipulate the whole system in their favor when
they're facing Haines's charges like this, and to do it well,
all they have to do is get a few ex
prosecutors on board who decide to hop ship for a
fat paycheck, and everything's butter, because again, they're not paying
(03:35):
for these lawyers to come into the courtroom and make
it like a movie, right, It's not a few good men.
That's not how real life works. They're paying for the contacts.
They're paying for you know, oh, I was his roommate
at Harvard. That's the kind of shit they're paying for.
And when you look at Epstein's team of lawyers, it
was littered with ex prosecutors. It was littered with people
(03:56):
who had very, very close knowledge of what was going on.
But yet there's no outcry that these people come forward
now and talk about what they know. Although the defendant
in the suit is the US government, not Epstein himself,
he moved to intervene in the case in July twenty thirteen.
(04:18):
Attorneys Roy Black, Jay Lefkowitz, Bruce Reinhart Huh where do
we hear that name recently? And Martin Weinberg are also
interveners in the CVRA suit between the alleged survivors alleged
huh and federal prosecutors. So why is Bruce Reinhart acting
as an intervener here and trying to make it so
(04:39):
that this stuff doesn't get made public? Was he so
worried about if everything was on the up and up
with that plea deal and everything was kosher, why are
all these people acting as interveners here and trying to
make it so the public has no idea what went down?
What are they so worried about? You see, that's the thing.
And when we talk these people who were involved here,
(05:02):
it's rather obvious that all of them were swinging for defenses.
They all had connections to the Department of Justice. And
in a guy like Reinhart's case, he was just working
for the Prosecutor's office a few days before going to
work for Jeffrey Epstein's associates, and then to act like
he wasn't working for Epstein. That was the biggest doozy
(05:22):
for me. Oh no, he's not working for Epstein. He's
working for his associates or his employees. Who do you
think is paying them bills? Homie? And if I'm paying
the bills, who's really calling the shots? And of course,
Harvard law professor and former Epstein defense counsel Alan Dershowitz
(05:42):
moved to intervene earlier this month, apparently motivated by the
allegations by Virginia Roberts that Dershowitz had personally participated in
some of Epstein's sexual misconduct. So why would all of
these people Roy Black, Jay Lefkowitz, Bruce Reinhardt, Mark Weinberg,
and Alan Dershowitz moved to intervene here to make it
(06:04):
so you didn't know about what was going on. And
then one of these dudes becomes the federal judge. Yeah,
let's all be happy about that. He's above reproach. On
January fourteenth, US District Judge Ken Marra ordered the parties
in the case to brief the issue of sealing the correspondents,
asking for adequate justification for sealing because public policy favors
(06:27):
judicial records being open to the public, so the standard
operating procedure is for this stuff to be open to
the public. But when it comes to Epstein, his associates,
all of his lawyers, all of his buddies, they don't
got to play by those rules. They don't have to
deal with that nonsense, like me and you would. The
plaintiffs want the correspondence unsealed. They have already won a
(06:51):
related battle to access many of these documents. In twenty fourteen,
the Eleventh Circuit ruled that the plea negotiations are not
privileged from discovery. In the plaintiff's motions this week, they
argued that the emails and letters between Epstein's lawyers and
federal prosecutors are central to this lawsuit, and sealing the
correspondence would prevent the public from learning about matters of
(07:14):
considerable public concern. Now, remember also, a whole year's worth
of emails between the prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers just up
then vanished, and then when confronted about it, the Department
of Justice said, oh, well, it wasn't just Alcosta's phone.
It affected many people. Yeah, okay, sure, just another coincidence
here in this case. Huh. Cameras don't work, emails disappeared,
(07:38):
guards fell asleep, Epstein was put in a cell with
TARTAGLIONI okay, you're right, your narrative's correct. I mean, for real,
at this point, you gotta be really in the bag
for the establishment at this point to not see how
screwed up everything was here. In the brief on behalf
(08:01):
of Epstein, attorneys Roy Black and Martin Weinberg argue that
their client could be irreparably harmed if Judge Marraw allows
emails and letters between Epstein's defense counsel and federal prosecutors
to enter public record on January twenty sixth, Epstein's lawyers
responded to Judge Marra's orders by filing a limited Intervener
(08:23):
Jeffrey Epstein response to Order requesting justification for supplemental protective order.
In Layman's terms, go screw yourself. We're not going to
give you any of this information. We're going to muck
it up and gum up the situation by legal proceedings.
Although there is a protective confidentiality order already in place,
(08:44):
attorneys for Epstein contend that the current order's coverage is insufficient.
The order followed Epstein's motions seeking protection from the constant leaks, comments,
and inflammatory accusations made by the plaintiff's lawyers to the
national and international media, as well as the various online
outfits for varying reputations. The recent filings, comments, and exclusives
(09:06):
granted to gossip reporters show that the frolic with the
media has not abated. So this is all about the media, right.
What they're trying to do is say, ah, there's nothing
even here. The media is making more of this than
there is, and everybody who's trying to get involved with
that is just lighting the fires and gassing it up.
You would think that they'd be more worried about, you know,
(09:28):
proving that, but they never could and they never would
be able to. They further point out that the order
does not provide any protection when those documents are converted
into exhibits and filed as public record with the court.
They fear that Edwards and Cassel will skirt the spirit
of the original order by citing tiny portions of sensitive
(09:49):
documents then dumping entire documents into the public record by
attaching them as exhibits. So what are you so afraid of,
as Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers, If you we're all on the
up and up, and you conducted yourselves correctly, and you
got this plea deal through the proper channels, then you
wouldn't be worried about anyone examining this right. But boy,
(10:10):
oh boy, they sure are scared, aren't they. Epstein's lawyers
favor a temporary seal order on the plea negotiation correspondence,
whereby the documents would stay sealed unless, unless, and until
Judge Mera ruled on a motion to unseal them individually.
Epstein's lawyer's right these temporary precautions are appropriate, because mister
(10:34):
Epstein and his legal counsel will be irreparably harmed if
what our historically confidential plea negotiations are wrongly filed in
the public record, making their way around the world on
the internet in minutes before the court has an opportunity
to rule. So again, they were so worried that you
would know what was going on here that they pulled
(10:56):
out all the stops to keep this stuff sealed so far,
whereas even his attorneys, including Bruce Reinhardt, by the way,
mister above reproach, came out swinging, oh, we're going to
be interveners here. Did anybody ask mister Reinhardt about this
exact situation before he became a judge, Probably not considering,
(11:18):
you know, he's a Trump appointee and Trump out Acosta
working in his administration. So there's that. Epstein's lawyers further
insist that there is a long standing tradition in the
criminal justice system to keep plea negotiations confidential. They argue
that the defense attorney would be unable to fulfill their
(11:39):
duties to their clients if they fear they cannot communicate
with prosecutors openly and frankly without tempering or censoring their
police settlement communications to avoid making statements that could later
come back to haunt their clients in TMZ, the National Inquirer,
or the grocery store tabloids. Nice cover story, nice cover story,
and it certainly tracks all right, But the reality is this,
(12:01):
they don't want you to know the truth, and they'll
use this as their basis for you not knowing the
truth in the Epstein case. Oh well, it would cause
harm moving forward to other defendants. Yeah, okay, sure, sure,
it would just another bullshit excuse from the establishment, from
the system to make sure that we don't have all
(12:21):
of the information here. With allegations as salacious as those
found in documents already on public record, one shutterers to
think what information Epstein might be fighting to keep out
of you. If the public is after sordid but unproven
details about Epstein's past, the Palm Beach Police departments probable
Cause affidavid provides more than enough fodder. I've been dutifully
(12:46):
checking pacer for updates in this case. I'm sure other
writers and journalists covering the story have been as well. Still,
a lot of the language Epstein's lawyers use to describe
the spread of information via the Internet and sundry media
sound one's vaguely histrionic. Still, Epstein's lawyers may have the
better argument in the end on this issue. The chilling
(13:07):
effect on future plea negotiations provides a strong public policy argument. Yeah, well,
I guess guess what. I don't buy that. And that's
some lawyers speak right there. What about the survivors who
were greatly wronged for all of these years, there's always
exceptions made, right well, this needs to be one of
those situations where an exception is made. As a general matter,
(13:31):
plea negotiations ought to be kept confidential in order to
inspire candor. Our justice system leans heavily on plea deals
to resolve criminal cases. To agree on a deal, prosecutors
and defense attorneys must haggle. Their haggling won't be as
effective if they can't speak freely. If the specter of
future publicity haunts defense counsels, negotiations with prosecutors, defense attorneys
(13:55):
might be less forthcoming. Oh give me a fucking break here, Okay,
give me a break these. If that's the case, then
there has to be severe penalties for attorneys who are
found to be playing games and lying. Right, And I
don't mean censure, and I don't mean a slap on
the wrist, I mean losing your law license. How come
it's always about protecting the system, the system, the system.
(14:17):
What about the people that the systems supposedly set up
to protect. Seems like that gets lost in the translation. Oh,
or justice system or precious justice system. Well, breaking news
to all those lawyers out there. Your justice system is
a gigantic dumpster fire. Moreover, defense attorneys may be required
(14:39):
to be less chatty during negotiations with prosecutors, since they
owe a duty to their clients not to say things
that might harm their clients. So another thing, if that's
going to be the case, and you're gonna go about
it this way, you better make sure that the emails
never disappear ever again, because there has to be receipts. Right,
If there is a situation where a judge or somebody
(14:59):
else to look at what went on, there better be receipts.
I don't want to hear about, oh, my emails disappeared.
I have emails from like ten or twelve years ago,
So I don't even understand what that means. Furthermore, it
would be wrong to expect defense lawyers to be responsible
for whether the prosecutors have involved survivors as the CRS
(15:21):
the c VRA requires later revealing the negotiations, in effect
pushes the defense for the prosecution's failure to meet its
legal obligations. Courts can limit disclosure of plea negotiations while
still maintaining that they are not privileged. Of course, a
CVRA suit such as this one might be seriously crippled
(15:41):
by the inability to introduce evidence of the wrangling between
defense counsel and prosecutors. And they knew that. The defense
knew that, and they used it as one of the
quivers in their arrow. This is what I'm talking about.
They know the law better than anyone, and they know
how to use the law to their favor better than anyone.
(16:02):
If the evidence is worth introducing for the court's consideration,
there is a strong presumption that the public ought to
have access to it. But the temporary seal order favored
by Epstein doesn't preclude those documents from entering the public record. Rather,
it only delays it pending a determination by the court.
Sure this process would add time and hassle to the proceedings.
(16:23):
But the gossip media, the internet and the public are patient,
will wait and look again. Really, what this is about
this episode is about how Epstein's lawyers were working to
the gills to make sure that their behavior wasn't exposed
in all of this. That's what this is about. They
didn't want their underhanded tactics to be exposed to the public,
(16:44):
and yet they've been able to get away with it
for all of these years. Nobody's demanding that there's accountability
for those emails going missing, the cameras. There's no accountability zero.
So how do they expect anyone to look at what
went on here or what's going on here and say, yeah,
you know what, we have confidence that things are moving
in the right direction because guess what nobody does. And
(17:08):
for me, I've just had enough of all the transparency,
I mean all of the non transparency here. It's about
time that we have a transparent case in front of
us and all of these documents that were considered so
sensitive to be unsealed and released for public consumption. All right, folks,
it's gonna do it for this episode. If you'd like
to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi
(17:31):
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Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me
on Twitter at Bobby Underscore c ap Ucci. The link
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What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Today,
we're going to go all the way back to twenty
and fifteen, and we're going to talk a little bit
more about how Jeffrey Epstein and his lawyers wanted to
keep sealed documents sealed, and it was such a move
on their part that his whole entire legal team, including
(00:23):
Judge Reinhart, was so invested that they moved to keep
these things from being unsealed. Personally, Now, why would the
lawyers in this case be so adamant to keep the
negotiations as far as the plea deal sealed? Why are
they so invested in that? What are they so worried about?
(00:43):
What are they hiding? Why are they so worried about
the public knowing how that plea deal went down? Well,
let's dive into this article from Above the Law and
let's see what was going on in twenty and fifteen
headline Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers want to seal documents to stop
(01:05):
the frolic with the media. This article was published by
Above the Law and it was published on January thirtieth
of twenty fifteen. The author of this article is Tomorrow taboo.
Lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein the billionaires, the billionaires suspected of
paying underage girls. You mean the billionaire pedophile who was
(01:27):
raping underage girls to give them X rated massages. No, no,
so we could rape them are fighting to keep plea
negotiations between Epstein's attorneys and prosecutors out of public view.
Now why would they be so adamant on doing that?
What is in this plea deal? What did they lay
out for the federal government that would get the federal
(01:47):
government at the DOJ level to bite? What could they
dangle that would make the DOJ play ball. Epstein is
implicated in a suit against federal prosecutors brought by women
who claim to have been sexually abused by Epstein when
they were miners. The plaintiffs claim that the government failed
(02:08):
to fulfill its duty under the Crime Victim's Rights Act
to involve Epstein's survivors in the settlement process. The women
contend that the government instead secretly handed a sweetheart deal
to the well connected billionaire pedophile and any of his
possible co conspirators. The women are represented by lawyers Brad
Edwards and Paul Cassel. Now we know that the court
(02:30):
has already deemed this plea deal illegal. All right, so
the court said that this plea deal was bunch of bupkists,
a bunch of garbage. But yet somehow it still stands,
and we still don't have any information about how this
plea deal came into place. You want to talk about
a veil of secrecy, you want to talk about shadowy,
(02:51):
This is what I'm talking about. And I don't know
how people aren't more fired up about this. You would
think that people who are demanding transparency all day every
day on TV from everybody would demand some transparency here
as well. Because this has a reverberating effect through the
whole entire Department of Justice, through the whole legal system.
(03:15):
How can anyone be okay with people like Epstein being
able to manipulate the whole system in their favor when
they're facing Haines's charges like this, and to do it well,
all they have to do is get a few ex
prosecutors on board who decide to hop ship for a
fat paycheck, and everything's butter, because again, they're not paying
(03:35):
for these lawyers to come into the courtroom and make
it like a movie, right, It's not a few good men.
That's not how real life works. They're paying for the contacts.
They're paying for you know, oh, I was his roommate
at Harvard. That's the kind of shit they're paying for.
And when you look at Epstein's team of lawyers, it
was littered with ex prosecutors. It was littered with people
(03:56):
who had very, very close knowledge of what was going on.
But yet there's no outcry that these people come forward
now and talk about what they know. Although the defendant
in the suit is the US government, not Epstein himself,
he moved to intervene in the case in July twenty thirteen.
(04:18):
Attorneys Roy Black, Jay Lefkowitz, Bruce Reinhart Huh where do
we hear that name recently? And Martin Weinberg are also
interveners in the CVRA suit between the alleged survivors alleged
huh and federal prosecutors. So why is Bruce Reinhart acting
as an intervener here and trying to make it so
(04:39):
that this stuff doesn't get made public? Was he so
worried about if everything was on the up and up
with that plea deal and everything was kosher, why are
all these people acting as interveners here and trying to
make it so the public has no idea what went down?
What are they so worried about? You see, that's the thing.
And when we talk these people who were involved here,
(05:02):
it's rather obvious that all of them were swinging for defenses.
They all had connections to the Department of Justice. And
in a guy like Reinhart's case, he was just working
for the Prosecutor's office a few days before going to
work for Jeffrey Epstein's associates, and then to act like
he wasn't working for Epstein. That was the biggest doozy
(05:22):
for me. Oh no, he's not working for Epstein. He's
working for his associates or his employees. Who do you
think is paying them bills? Homie? And if I'm paying
the bills, who's really calling the shots? And of course,
Harvard law professor and former Epstein defense counsel Alan Dershowitz
(05:42):
moved to intervene earlier this month, apparently motivated by the
allegations by Virginia Roberts that Dershowitz had personally participated in
some of Epstein's sexual misconduct. So why would all of
these people Roy Black, Jay Lefkowitz, Bruce Reinhardt, Mark Weinberg,
and Alan Dershowitz moved to intervene here to make it
(06:04):
so you didn't know about what was going on. And
then one of these dudes becomes the federal judge. Yeah,
let's all be happy about that. He's above reproach. On
January fourteenth, US District Judge Ken Marra ordered the parties
in the case to brief the issue of sealing the correspondents,
asking for adequate justification for sealing because public policy favors
(06:27):
judicial records being open to the public, so the standard
operating procedure is for this stuff to be open to
the public. But when it comes to Epstein, his associates,
all of his lawyers, all of his buddies, they don't
got to play by those rules. They don't have to
deal with that nonsense, like me and you would. The
plaintiffs want the correspondence unsealed. They have already won a
(06:51):
related battle to access many of these documents. In twenty fourteen,
the Eleventh Circuit ruled that the plea negotiations are not
privileged from discovery. In the plaintiff's motions this week, they
argued that the emails and letters between Epstein's lawyers and
federal prosecutors are central to this lawsuit, and sealing the
correspondence would prevent the public from learning about matters of
(07:14):
considerable public concern. Now, remember also, a whole year's worth
of emails between the prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers just up
then vanished, and then when confronted about it, the Department
of Justice said, oh, well, it wasn't just Alcosta's phone.
It affected many people. Yeah, okay, sure, just another coincidence
here in this case. Huh. Cameras don't work, emails disappeared,
(07:38):
guards fell asleep, Epstein was put in a cell with
TARTAGLIONI okay, you're right, your narrative's correct. I mean, for real,
at this point, you gotta be really in the bag
for the establishment at this point to not see how
screwed up everything was here. In the brief on behalf
(08:01):
of Epstein, attorneys Roy Black and Martin Weinberg argue that
their client could be irreparably harmed if Judge Marraw allows
emails and letters between Epstein's defense counsel and federal prosecutors
to enter public record on January twenty sixth, Epstein's lawyers
responded to Judge Marra's orders by filing a limited Intervener
(08:23):
Jeffrey Epstein response to Order requesting justification for supplemental protective order.
In Layman's terms, go screw yourself. We're not going to
give you any of this information. We're going to muck
it up and gum up the situation by legal proceedings.
Although there is a protective confidentiality order already in place,
(08:44):
attorneys for Epstein contend that the current order's coverage is insufficient.
The order followed Epstein's motions seeking protection from the constant leaks, comments,
and inflammatory accusations made by the plaintiff's lawyers to the
national and international media, as well as the various online
outfits for varying reputations. The recent filings, comments, and exclusives
(09:06):
granted to gossip reporters show that the frolic with the
media has not abated. So this is all about the media, right.
What they're trying to do is say, ah, there's nothing
even here. The media is making more of this than
there is, and everybody who's trying to get involved with
that is just lighting the fires and gassing it up.
You would think that they'd be more worried about, you know,
(09:28):
proving that, but they never could and they never would
be able to. They further point out that the order
does not provide any protection when those documents are converted
into exhibits and filed as public record with the court.
They fear that Edwards and Cassel will skirt the spirit
of the original order by citing tiny portions of sensitive
(09:49):
documents then dumping entire documents into the public record by
attaching them as exhibits. So what are you so afraid of,
as Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers, If you we're all on the
up and up, and you conducted yourselves correctly, and you
got this plea deal through the proper channels, then you
wouldn't be worried about anyone examining this right. But boy,
(10:10):
oh boy, they sure are scared, aren't they. Epstein's lawyers
favor a temporary seal order on the plea negotiation correspondence,
whereby the documents would stay sealed unless, unless, and until
Judge Mera ruled on a motion to unseal them individually.
Epstein's lawyer's right these temporary precautions are appropriate, because mister
(10:34):
Epstein and his legal counsel will be irreparably harmed if
what our historically confidential plea negotiations are wrongly filed in
the public record, making their way around the world on
the internet in minutes before the court has an opportunity
to rule. So again, they were so worried that you
would know what was going on here that they pulled
(10:56):
out all the stops to keep this stuff sealed so far,
whereas even his attorneys, including Bruce Reinhardt, by the way,
mister above reproach, came out swinging, oh, we're going to
be interveners here. Did anybody ask mister Reinhardt about this
exact situation before he became a judge, Probably not considering,
(11:18):
you know, he's a Trump appointee and Trump out Acosta
working in his administration. So there's that. Epstein's lawyers further
insist that there is a long standing tradition in the
criminal justice system to keep plea negotiations confidential. They argue
that the defense attorney would be unable to fulfill their
(11:39):
duties to their clients if they fear they cannot communicate
with prosecutors openly and frankly without tempering or censoring their
police settlement communications to avoid making statements that could later
come back to haunt their clients in TMZ, the National Inquirer,
or the grocery store tabloids. Nice cover story, nice cover story,
and it certainly tracks all right, But the reality is this,
(12:01):
they don't want you to know the truth, and they'll
use this as their basis for you not knowing the
truth in the Epstein case. Oh well, it would cause
harm moving forward to other defendants. Yeah, okay, sure, sure,
it would just another bullshit excuse from the establishment, from
the system to make sure that we don't have all
(12:21):
of the information here. With allegations as salacious as those
found in documents already on public record, one shutterers to
think what information Epstein might be fighting to keep out
of you. If the public is after sordid but unproven
details about Epstein's past, the Palm Beach Police departments probable
Cause affidavid provides more than enough fodder. I've been dutifully
(12:46):
checking pacer for updates in this case. I'm sure other
writers and journalists covering the story have been as well. Still,
a lot of the language Epstein's lawyers use to describe
the spread of information via the Internet and sundry media
sound one's vaguely histrionic. Still, Epstein's lawyers may have the
better argument in the end on this issue. The chilling
(13:07):
effect on future plea negotiations provides a strong public policy argument. Yeah, well,
I guess guess what. I don't buy that. And that's
some lawyers speak right there. What about the survivors who
were greatly wronged for all of these years, there's always
exceptions made, right well, this needs to be one of
those situations where an exception is made. As a general matter,
(13:31):
plea negotiations ought to be kept confidential in order to
inspire candor. Our justice system leans heavily on plea deals
to resolve criminal cases. To agree on a deal, prosecutors
and defense attorneys must haggle. Their haggling won't be as
effective if they can't speak freely. If the specter of
future publicity haunts defense counsels, negotiations with prosecutors, defense attorneys
(13:55):
might be less forthcoming. Oh give me a fucking break here, Okay,
give me a break these. If that's the case, then
there has to be severe penalties for attorneys who are
found to be playing games and lying. Right, And I
don't mean censure, and I don't mean a slap on
the wrist, I mean losing your law license. How come
it's always about protecting the system, the system, the system.
(14:17):
What about the people that the systems supposedly set up
to protect. Seems like that gets lost in the translation. Oh,
or justice system or precious justice system. Well, breaking news
to all those lawyers out there. Your justice system is
a gigantic dumpster fire. Moreover, defense attorneys may be required
(14:39):
to be less chatty during negotiations with prosecutors, since they
owe a duty to their clients not to say things
that might harm their clients. So another thing, if that's
going to be the case, and you're gonna go about
it this way, you better make sure that the emails
never disappear ever again, because there has to be receipts. Right,
If there is a situation where a judge or somebody
(14:59):
else to look at what went on, there better be receipts.
I don't want to hear about, oh, my emails disappeared.
I have emails from like ten or twelve years ago,
So I don't even understand what that means. Furthermore, it
would be wrong to expect defense lawyers to be responsible
for whether the prosecutors have involved survivors as the CRS
(15:21):
the c VRA requires later revealing the negotiations, in effect
pushes the defense for the prosecution's failure to meet its
legal obligations. Courts can limit disclosure of plea negotiations while
still maintaining that they are not privileged. Of course, a
CVRA suit such as this one might be seriously crippled
(15:41):
by the inability to introduce evidence of the wrangling between
defense counsel and prosecutors. And they knew that. The defense
knew that, and they used it as one of the
quivers in their arrow. This is what I'm talking about.
They know the law better than anyone, and they know
how to use the law to their favor better than anyone.
(16:02):
If the evidence is worth introducing for the court's consideration,
there is a strong presumption that the public ought to
have access to it. But the temporary seal order favored
by Epstein doesn't preclude those documents from entering the public record. Rather,
it only delays it pending a determination by the court.
Sure this process would add time and hassle to the proceedings.
(16:23):
But the gossip media, the internet and the public are patient,
will wait and look again. Really, what this is about
this episode is about how Epstein's lawyers were working to
the gills to make sure that their behavior wasn't exposed
in all of this. That's what this is about. They
didn't want their underhanded tactics to be exposed to the public,
(16:44):
and yet they've been able to get away with it
for all of these years. Nobody's demanding that there's accountability
for those emails going missing, the cameras. There's no accountability zero.
So how do they expect anyone to look at what
went on here or what's going on here and say, yeah,
you know what, we have confidence that things are moving
in the right direction because guess what nobody does. And
(17:08):
for me, I've just had enough of all the transparency,
I mean all of the non transparency here. It's about
time that we have a transparent case in front of
us and all of these documents that were considered so
sensitive to be unsealed and released for public consumption. All right, folks,
it's gonna do it for this episode. If you'd like
to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi
(17:31):
at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bb Y c apu
Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me
on Twitter at Bobby Underscore c ap Ucci. The link
that I discussed can be found in the description box.
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