November 21, 2025 • 30 mins
In 2016 a woman using the name Katie Johnson filed a federal lawsuit alleging that she had been assaulted as a minor — in her complaint she claimed that in 1994, when she was 13, she was lured by Jeffrey Epstein to his Manhattan residence with promises of modeling, and that Trump and Epstein took turns sexually assaulting her during a series of parties. After filing the suit, the case was dismissed or voluntarily withdrawn, and the woman's identity and credibility came under heavy question. Media investigations found no independent verification of the accuser’s identity or direct confirmation of her story, and suggested the legal action may have been tied to outside actors, raising serious doubts about the authenticity of the claims.
The pushback included abrupt cancellation of a planned press appearance by Johnson, no confirmed attorney-client communications, and serious scrutiny of the legal counsel and promoters of the case, including accusations of coordination by a controversial figure with a history of disputed celebrity claims. Trump’s camp denied the allegation outright, and legal analysts pointed to procedural deficiencies in the filing — including that the lawsuit alleged criminal conduct under a civil statute that did not apply. This resulted in the case failing to proceed, major media outlets treating the matter as unverified, and critics arguing that the entire matter became a lightning rod for conspiracy theories rather than a credible path to accountability.
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The pushback included abrupt cancellation of a planned press appearance by Johnson, no confirmed attorney-client communications, and serious scrutiny of the legal counsel and promoters of the case, including accusations of coordination by a controversial figure with a history of disputed celebrity claims. Trump’s camp denied the allegation outright, and legal analysts pointed to procedural deficiencies in the filing — including that the lawsuit alleged criminal conduct under a civil statute that did not apply. This resulted in the case failing to proceed, major media outlets treating the matter as unverified, and critics arguing that the entire matter became a lightning rod for conspiracy theories rather than a credible path to accountability.
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A California woman accused both Epstein and Trump. Did she exist?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. The San Francisco Chronicle has an article today
about Katie Johnson, the girl who accused Donald Trump of
assaulting her with Jeffrey Epstein, but then pulled the lawsuit
back and voluntarily dismissed it. Now, of course, there's been
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a ton of questions about who Katie Johnson might be
or if she even exists, And I wish I had
an answer for you. I do not, But what I
will say is this, like everything else in this case,
everything else when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein, the line
between what's real and what's not real is always blurred.
And we have to recognize that there's going to be
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people out there that are scandalous as fuck that are
going to try and piggyback off of what Jeffrey Epstein
was up to, the crimes he committed, and try and
use that for their own gain. So what are we
left with, Well, basically we're left with a Gordian not right,
and it's up to us to try and untangle it. Well,
today we're going to talk a little bit more about
Katie Johnson, and I'm going to leave it up to you, folks,
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to believe or not believe whatever you want. Again, it's
my job to open the door, and if you decide
you want to walk through that door, that's up to you.
So let's get started talking about Katie Johnson, and let's
try and separate some of the truth from some of
the bs. Recently, one of the questions that I've been
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asked about quite often is who is Katie Johnson? And
my answer is I wish I knew. Besides what was
reported about her and the lawsuit that was filed and
then dismissed against President Trump, there isn't much to go on. However,
in light of the new circumstances surrounding Donald Trump and
his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, you knew that it wouldn't
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be long before this was brought back into the spotlight.
So the first thing we need to get out of
the way is that the lawsuit was dropped by Katie Johnson. Now,
of course, there are a lot of allegations about her
being intimidated or her being pressured, But the truth it is,
while that is certainly a possibility, we don't have any
evidence of that. What we're left with, like with most
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situations involving Jeffrey Epstein is more questions than there are answers.
And the reason that that matters, and the reason people
keep circling back to her name, is because her story
represents something that sits right at the heart of the
entire case, the space between what we know and what
we can't prove, between what seems obvious and what we
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are technically allowed to say out loud. Every time this
conversation comes up, the ground beneath it feels unstable, like
the moment before an earthquake, when everything is too quiet.
It's unsettling to consider that a woman could stand up
and accuse two of the most powerful men in America
of something so horrific and then just disappear from the
public record without leaving a trail to follow or answers
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to hold onto. The silence around her isn't just a
lack of information, It's its own kind of signal. It
forces you to sit with the discomfort of not knowing,
and it demands you recognize the machinery of power that
has always operated behind the scenes. In the Epstein saga, Look,
I have no idea what happened or didn't happen, and
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I'm not going to sit here and pretend otherwise, just
as sound authoritative. I don't know if she was telling
the truth, and I don't know if she fabricated the
whole thing out of fear or confusion, or desperation or
something darker. What I do know, because history has beaten
it into us like a hammer, is that when Jeffrey
Epstein's name enters the equation, the normal rules of reality
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stop applying. And look, that's not paranoia. It's a documented
pattern stretching back decades. Things that should make sense suddenly don't.
People who should be easy to find somehow disappear, like smoke.
Records that should be public get sealed. Evidence that should
be preserved, winds up, destroyed, Cameras that should be working
suddenly malfunction. Guards who should be awake conveniently fall asleep.
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And every time we try to understand what actually happened,
we hit an in visible a wall that someone built
long before we ever started asking questions. And that's why
it feels impossible to dismiss anything out right when it
comes to Epstein. If this story has taught us anything,
it's that certainty as a luxury that nobody gets. You
learn quickly that expecting the unexpected is in cynicism, it's survival.
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It's a defensive reflex. After watching the truth get twisted, suffocated,
and buried over and over again in broad daylight. Every
time someone says that couldn't possibly be true, we end
up watching that exact thing unravel in front of us
six months later. Every time the public is told to
stop digging, something huge breaks loose that proves they were
trying to bury it. Every time a lead looks dead,
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it turns out to be the one that matters. And
when a case, or a witness or a trail suddenly disappears,
it usually means we were getting too close to something
someone never wanted exposed. So do I know who Katie
Johnson really is or what did or didn't happen to
I don't, and I'm not going to pretend I do
to score points or try to play the hero. What
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I do know is that silence is not an answer,
and disappearance shouldn't be closure. And we don't get to
shrug and move on just because the story makes powerful
people uncomfortable. We don't get to forget because it's messy
or complicated or frightening. We don't get to surrender simply
because someone decided we've seen enough. There's a reason people
are still asking questions. There's a reason her name still surfaces.
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There's a reason so much energy has been spent ensuring
nobody can say anything definitive about her. None of that
happens around nothing. So look, what I do know is
that we're going to keep digging in search of the
truth wherever it leads us. And that isn't a thread
or a promise to anyone except the truth itself. It's
a refusal to let silence have the final word. It's
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a refusal to accept that unanswered questions are the same
thing as resolution. It's the belief that if a story
still burns after this long, it's because something underneath the
smoke has not finished revealing itself. We owe it to
the survivors, we owe it to the public, We owe
it to the integrity of history itself, and we owe
it to every person who was told to shut up,
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sit down, and disappear for someone else's convenience. So that
leads us to the question, who is Katie Johnson? And
did she ever exist? Today's article is from the San
Francisco Chronicle and the headline a California woman accused both
Epstein and Trump? Did she ever exist? The author of
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this article is Raheem Hosani. In the stacks of documents
that Congress released from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein are
numerous communications about one of the late sexual predators less
credited accusers, a California plaintiff who once used the name
Katie Johnson. Nearly a decade ago before Donald Trump became
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the Republican Party presidential nominee. The plaintiff accused him and
Epstein of raping her when she was a teenager in
the nineties. Under the name Katie Johnson and representing herself,
the plaintiff leveled the accusations in federal court in San
Bernardino County, then twice more in New York as Jane Do.
The lawsuits were short lived, the first dismissed, the others withdrawn,
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and the mystery of Katie Johnson simmered mostly in fever
dream corners of the Internet, where those eager to believe
the worst about Trump interact with salacious content creators and
qa non conspiracies and look like I've said from the jump.
We don't know. We have to go on what's been said, right,
We have to go on the actions that were taken
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inside the court. And when you file a lawsuit and
then you have it dismissed the first time by the
judge and then it's withdrawn by you two times, people
are gonna have questions right now. Of course, there's a
lot that goes into it. We have no idea what
was going on behind the scenes. We don't know if
there was pressure or intimidation or any of it. Certainly
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valid question, and look, I'm not saying that that occurred.
I have no idea. Like I said in the opening,
I wasn't there. I don't know. What we're trying to
do now is get to the bottom of it right
one way or the other. It's still not clear who
Katie Johnson was or if she ever existed, though someone
professing to be her contacted me in twenty sixteen when
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I first reported on the lawsuits. Yet, thanks to emails
released last week by Republicans on the House Oversight Committee,
we know that Epstein was at least aware of her accusations.
And that's true when you read the emails. Epstein certainly
was aware of the accusations. But like I've said from
the jump, there are people that have tried to benefit
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personally from all of this by claiming that they were
abused when they weren't, So we always have to keep
that in mind as well. In April of twenty sixteen,
Epstein forwarded Reuter's report request for comment about Katie Johnson's
lawsuit to several people, including attorney Alan Dershowitz and former
White House counsel Katherine Rumler. To Tom Barrock, a Trump
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campaign advisor who is now the president's ambassador to Turkey,
Epstein wrote, nuts, but I thought you guys should know.
To journalists Michael Wolfe, Epstein wrote, here we go. So, look,
there's some smoke there right now. Does that mean that
it's all true what Keady Johnson said? Of course not,
but there's certainly some smoke there. And I think that
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more answers are necessary. And I think there's a common
theme here, and that's that Michael Wolfe is involved in
just about everything Epstein was up to. So when are
we gonna get Michael Wolfe under oath in front of Congress?
Because it's obvious to me that he was a lot
more than just a journalist trying to get information. In
November twenty sixteen, two days after Trump's election, Epstein forwarded
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a daily mail story about the lawsuit being withdrawn in
New York Federal Court to several friends and associates. New
York Times financial reporter Landon Thomas Junior responded, you called
it and asked Epstein about his stock portfolio. Melanie Walker,
a neurosurgeon and Gates Foundation alum, offered her condolences and
asked if Epstein even knew the trouble plaintiff. Epstein replied.
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Note to another sympathizing confidant, Virgin Island's tax attorney, Erica A.
Keller Hall's, who would receive Epstein's final will, Epstein wrote,
it's funny. Don't lose your sense of humor, And when
Epstein told Deepak Chopra the lawsuit had been dropped, the
New Age guru replied, good over a signature line that
included a Carl's bad address and promoted Chopper's book Radical Beauty,
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How to Transform Yourself from the inside Out. Another one
of these scuzzballs, who's up here on an ivory tower
preaching to the rest of us? Meaning Deepak Chopra. But
yet he's over here palin around with Jeffrey Epstein. Huh.
With Trump on Wednesday, signing Congress measure to require the
Justice Department to publish the remainder of the Epstein files,
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there could soon be additional belles of materials to sift through.
Representative Rocanna of Santa Clara, one of the architects of
the bipartisan petition, said that he expects the files to
reveal the identities of hundreds of rich and powerful men
who knew of Epstein's crimes, cover them up, and possibly
participated in them. And I have a feeling that a
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lot of those names you're gonna hear are all names
that we've talked about previously. Now, of course, there's probably
gonna be some bombshells, no doubt about it, But for
the most part, most of the names are going to
be people that we're familiar with. I think we need
to know what his exact relationship was. Conna said of Trump,
but again, this is not just about the president, and
I think people need to keep that in mind. Of course,
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Donald Trump's playing a huge part in this, but I
think a lot of that has to do with the
cover up right. If he would have been upfront from
the beginning, it would have been embarrassing. But if he
has nothing to hide as far as criminality, then let
the dice fall where they may. He should know that
his supporters are going to back them no matter what,
so he should have been honest, right, come forward, do
the right thing a man. Is that too much to ask,
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for fuck's sake, Just be a man and do the
right thing. Take your licks when they're coming. But of
course not right. His little fragile, bruised ego is more
important than getting to the bottom of this. Now, chew
on that for a little while and tell me that
doesn't make you want to vomit. Years after he became
a convicted sex offender and cultural pariah, Epstein strategized with
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then Trump advisor Steve Bannon about how to position Trump
with European leaders, arranged get togethers with Silicon Valley Trump
donor Peter Thiel, and traded friendly emails with former Israeli
Prime Minister Ehud Barack, liberal academic Noam Chomsky, former Treasury
Secretary Larry Summers, and others. All of these people we
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knew about. And I think this is kind of a
wake up call for a lot of people who thought
that the whole story about a handful of elites running
the world was bullshit, breaking news, folks. It's true. Now,
maybe not the way that some people explain it, right,
But the real masters of the universe, and I've said
this from the very beginning, are the financial sector. They're
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the ones that are pulling all the strings on everything
that happens. Do you think any of these people get
elected without the blessing of the financial sector. And I
know people love to point to Obama and say, look,
he had no scandals, this, that, the other thing, cool, whatever.
Do you know how many bankers that dude had as
part of his cabinet, as part of his inner circle.
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It goes on and on. This transcends parties. The real
people that are in control are the people that were
backing Jeffrey Epstein financially and covering for him. Now, if
that doesn't make you want to jump off a building,
I have no idea what will. Rather than settle the
nature of Epstein and Trump's relationship, the materials fan conjecture
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about it, Epstein alleged that Trump knew about the girls.
In a January twenty nineteen email to Wolf. In a
February twenty sixteen email, Wolf told Epstein that he was
the Trump bullet for the people behind Katie Johnson. The
same was supposed to be true of her looking for
Katie Johnson. It was the bombshell that didn't detonate. In
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April of twenty sixteen, in the final months of an
axis tilting presidential election, of person using the name Katie
Johnson filed a one hundred million dollar federal lawsuit accusing
Trump and Epstein of sexually assaulting her when she was thirteen.
The allegations outlined in Johnson's six page complaint were explicit
and echo charges made for years against Epstein, a connected
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financier who snared countless girls with false promises to pray
of dax and ugly threats. But the allegations against Trump,
accusing him of active participation in Epstein's child rate parties,
well that was new. Ye had no shit. It was new,
and of course it set off a firestorm. And at
the time there was so much going on in the media,
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so much back and forth, so much Trump did this,
Trump did that. This was kind of you know, drained out.
It was kind of muted. People were like, you know what,
they're going after him with all this Russish shit. They're
going after him with this that the other thing probably
part of that, But the question is was it right.
We don't know. I don't know, and that's all part
of the plan. These people thrive in confusion. I've said
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that from the beginning and I'll continue to say it,
like Little Finger and Game of Throne says, chaos is
a ladder, and these people they want chaos in everything
they do. According to the lawsuit, Epstein loard Kady Johnson
to his New York residence behind promises of a modeling career.
Over a four month period in nineteen ninety four, She
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alleged Epstein and Trump took turns assaulting her in increasingly
severe ways. A week after Katy Johnson filed her lawsuit,
the judge dismissed it for a failing to cite an
actionable civil rights claim. It leveled criminal allegations not covered
by the federal civil Statute. The dismissal letter bounced back
from the address Katie Johnson had given, which Google Maps
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once showed to be a weathered shack in the desert
city of twenty nine Palms, home to the country's largest
US Marine Corps base, and little else. The phone number
she provided didn't accept calls, so shady, right, Let's just
call it what it is, shady, and you can see
why people have punched a bunch of holes in her
story and why people dismiss it outright. On May tenth,
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twenty sixteen, while working at the Sacramento News and Review,
I texted the number, asking if it belonged to Katie Johnson.
A day later, a response came, who are you Raheem,
friend or foe? Gimme info on you please, Thank you. Katie.
I responded that I was a reporter attempting to authenticate
the information in her lawsuit. Three days later, I received
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a phone call from a block number, then a text
answer your phone from block number. It's me thanks Katie. Okay,
that's interesting. Right on Kean's twenty sixteen, I answered that call.
It wasn't Katie Johnson. The voice belonged to a man
who wouldn't give his name and claimed to be working
with Katie Johnson, but evaded questions about the nature of
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their relationship or how I could reach her directly. Because
Katie Johnson alleged that she had been sexually trafficked by
Epstein and sexually abused by both him and Trump. I
wanted to make sure that I wasn't dealing with another exploiter.
The call ended abruptly. I think I hung up on him.
So again, not looking good right, sounds a bit off.
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And that's what I said when it was first breaking,
that it doesn't seem like Katie Johnson is willing to
go through with what she's saying, if she even exists,
because we have to make sure that we're being cautious
of Charlatan's right. And look, I'm not saying that that's
what Katie Johnson is. I don't know that's what we're
doing here. We're trying to figure out what's what. But
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there have been people that have come forward that have
been manipulators, people looking for a payday, and you always
have to keep that in mind. And when you're dealing
with politics, you have to understand that the ops, no
matter of the side, they're looking for ways to exploit people,
and if they can have somebody filo a lawsuit to
try and stop their foe from winning office, they're gonna
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do that. So we always have to keep everything in
mind when we're talking about these devious sons of bitches.
Late one night in October twenty sixteen, I answered a
phone call from a block number. My mother was on
her deathbed, and I braced myself for news of her passing. Instead,
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it was a man asking if I was still interested
in pursuing the Katie Johnson story. I hung up my phone,
rang I let it. The man left a during voicemail.
I no longer have so again, folks, look, does that
sound like legitimate back and forth play between an accuser
and you know, a journalist who's trying to get the
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story out. Katie Johnson filed and withdrew two more lawsuits
that year. Days before the November twenty sixteen election, a
planned news conference was canceled in Los Angeles where Katie
Johnson was to appear alongside Lisa Bloom, a celebrity attorney
who represented other Epstein accusers and also advised Harvey Weinstein. Now, look,
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I've said from the beginning that Lisa Bloom and her
mom not people I trust. Gloria already not people I trust.
They're the kind of lawyers that are only in it
for the exposure. I'm more into lawyers who were into
kicking the shit out of people inside of the courtroom, right,
people that are actually trial lawyers who are going to
handle business, and these two certainly don't fit the bill.
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Outside of a purported video floating around the internet, Katie
Johnson has never been seen or heard from those around
her claim that she's been scared off. The morning of
the presser, Katie found out that her phone had been hacked.
Evanel golden In, a New Jersey civil litigator who represented
Katie Johnson, said via email this freaked her out. She
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did not go through with the presser and shortly thereafter
instructed me to dismiss the lawsuit. There have been a
few attempts several years ago to get her to go
to the press, but she wants nothing more to do
with this anymore. So again, it's up to you, folks, Right,
I'm here to present what evidence we have and then
you're gonna make the decisions that you make. What I'll
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say is this, if Katie Johnson does exist and her
allegations are true and real, now's the time to come
forward because she's never gonna get more support. She's never
going to get more people to back her up than now.
So if this is real and this really happened, I
would hope that Katie would come forward here right now.
Of course, none of us are walking in her shoes.
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We don't know what she's going through, we don't know
what kind of life she's lived. You know, if all
of this is real, where you know both scenarios here,
Because again I'm not gonna bullshit you and say I
know one way or the other. I do not, but
there's certainly some concerning things both ways. Goldman said that
he never actually met or spoke to Katie Johnson. He
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said he communicated with her through his co counsel, Thomas F. Meeger,
a New Jersey patent lawyer who introduced Goldman to the case,
and Bloom, daughter of feminist icon Gloria Allred. Goldman said
Meager and Bloom were the ones to inform him that
Katie Johnson wanted to drop the lawsuit in November of
twenty sixteen. I did not communicate with her directly, Goldman
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said in an email. So I think probably a good
idea to get Meager and Gloria Alread and Bloom under oath,
and you know, let's talk about if Katie exists. Now,
they don't have to give any other information. But did
you ever have a face to face with her? Did
you sit down and talk to her? These are all
details that are very important, right if you're trying to
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make a case anyway. Goldman also named a journalist he
said that had interviewed Katie Johnson in California and found
her credible. To me, that was enough for me to
be all in on it. Goldman said the journalist has
unpublished anything about Katie Johnson and stopped responding to emails
in August. Bloom, who has filed two federal lawsuits in
New York against Sean Colmes this year, declined to comment
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through a spokesperson. Meager said that attorney client privilege precluded
him from saying anything, including whether Katie Johnson was a
real person. Johnson's other former attorney, Florida litigator Cheney Mason,
who represented Casey Anthony, did not respond to messages. I
have to be honest, I find all of that shady.
I find all of it shady. You would think that
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at least one of the lawyers would respond and be like, look,
here's the deal, here's this here is that. Here's the
other thing. To some child safety advocates, speculating about the
unknowable can distract from what is known. More than a
dozen women, from pageant contestants to mar A Lago guests
to former employees, have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct.
Trump has denied them all. Separate juries have found Trump
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liable for sexually abusing e Gene Carroll in nineteen ninety
six and defaming her by denying it, awarding Carroll a
total of eighty eight point three million in damages, which
is wild, by the way. I mean, the Epstein survivors,
for the most part, got pieced off like a million bucks,
million bucks each for the most part. Compare that to
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the eighty eight point three million. Oh boy, that's a
lot of dough. Trump's first choice for attorney general, former
Republican Representative mc gates of Florida, withdrew over allegations that
he sexually exploited a minor. Yeah, allegedly a seventeen year
old homeless girl. Imagine that shit, A seventeen year old
girl who was working at McDonald's. Attorney General Pound Bondi,
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who will be in charge of releasing the Epstein, files
was Florida's chief legal counsel. When Epstein received a knockdown
charge of soliciting prostitution, the Palm Beach Post reported, it
all ties together, right, all roads lead to Florida. Like
I've said from the jump at Pam Bondi, she has
a lot of explaining to do when it comes to
all of her ties with Jeffrey Epstein. She likes to
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play dumb, but man, I'll tell you what. She should
know a lot more than she does. Certainly she should
know how to pronounce Gallain Maxwell's name by now right.
Trump's immigration crackdown has redirected federal agents who investigate child
sex crimes. The New York Times reported earlier this month,
federal prosecutions for child sex trafficking felt during Trump's first term.
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According to Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, including under
the laws used to charge Epstein in twenty nineteen, white
color prosecutions are also at their lowest in forty years.
Let's say policing actually worked, said Kate Diamo, an expert
on sexual labor and exploitation at Reframe Health Injustice. If
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at any point anybody on the right actually cared about this,
they'd be pissed. Well, I think there's people on the
right that most certainly if there wasn't, there wouldn't be
this swelling for support to go against Trump when it
comes to Epstein. University of Pennsylvania political science professor Marcy Hamilton,
founder of Child USA advocacy organization and a national authority
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on the clergy abuse scandal, said the Epstein saga is
prompting people like her to re explain what cover ups
look like. When Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson said last
month that he supported the release of credible information regarding Epstein,
Hamilton said Johnson was invoking the Vatican playbook for shielding
pedophile priests. One hundred percent credible. What does that mean
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that your friends are going to be protected? Sorry, buddy,
that's not how this is going to work this time.
That's the buzzword of the bishops. That's how the bishops
were able to cover up as much child sexual abuse
as they did, she said. Goldman said Meager brought him
to the Katie Johnson lawsuit motivated by a desire to
keep Trump from being elected president. But as we know
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now he can almost do worse things, and this never
seems to affect him. Goldman said, So there is a
lot of that at play. I know a lot of
people out there really just hate Trump, and I get it, right,
I totally get it. But when we're talking about this issue,
we have to shoot straight. We have to be fair
because if not, it's going to cause more confusion. Look
at what's going on already. So everybody has to be
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treated equally. If you're somebody that was involved, you're on
the list. Bro. If you're somebody that was enabling, you're
on the list. But we have to be honest and
fair when we're going through it. Right, not everybody that
was with Epstein was doing the heinous abusing. Not everybody
that was with him was hurting girls. So the idea
is to dig through all of the muck and get
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to the clarity. And that's what we're trying to do
every single day. Epstein expressed a similar sentiment. In February
of twenty sixteen. Thomas the Times reporter emailed Epstein saying,
the stories you could tell about candidate Trump, to which
Epstein replied, actually, I don't think the voters would care. Well,
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I think that that is not true. Now some voters wouldn't,
but I think we've seen recently that that's not the
case for everybody. And I think there is a large
block of people that are really questioning what the fuck's
going on right now, and I think that's a good
thing and that needs to be encouraged. Right people need
to break away from their echo chambers. It's okay to
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question the people in power. It's okay to ask questions
that might make people uncomfortable. That's how our republic works,
that's how democracy works. And the people that are trying
to stop the questions, the people that are trying to
shut people up, those are the people that I focus
on because obviously you're hiding something. But when it comes
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to this situation with Katie Johnson, the truth is we
just don't know. And so as we close out the
conversation for now, I think it's i ortant to acknowledge
something that often gets lost when stories like this resurface,
the emotional weight of uncertainty. There's a real human toll
that comes with trying to make sense of something built
on half truths, sealed records, missing witnesses, and power structures
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designed to outlast outrage. It's exhausting to keep chasing shadows.
But what's even more exhausting is pretending the shadows aren't there.
We're not dealing with a clean crime scene or a
straightforward narrative. We're dealing with a labyrinth that was engineered
from day one to confuse, misdirect, and discourage anyone who
dared to look too closely. And for me, this isn't
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about proving anyone right or wrong. It's not about scoring
victories or dunking on opponents, or weaponizing trauma for political convenience.
It's about refusing to accept that silence and disappearance are
acceptable endings to stories that scream for clarity. It's about
recognizing that turning away is exactly what the architects of
this nightmare have always counted on. They want the public
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to be frustrated and walk off the field so that
whatever is buried stays buried forever. And that's how they
survive for decades, and that's why they're pushing back now
more than ever. So if there's one thing worth keeping
front and center going forward, it's the commitment to continue
asking questions without apology and without fear of being told
we're reaching too far. Every truth that has ever shaken
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a corrupt system loose started with someone refusing to stop
digging when the ground got hard. We may not know
where the trail leads, and we may not know the
answers neatly packaged or delivered on queue, but that has
never been the nature of justice. Justice is a result
of persistence, pressure, endurance, and the refusal to be intimidated
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into silence. And that's where we stand, not with certainty,
not with neatly tied conclusions, but with determination, with an
obligation to truth instead of convenience, with the understanding that
if we don't keep pushing, nobody else will. Oh we
keep going, We keep digging, We keep asking the uncomfortable
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questions and shining light exactly where they don't want light
to shine, and until the truth comes out, we move forward.
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What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. The San Francisco Chronicle has an article today
about Katie Johnson, the girl who accused Donald Trump of
assaulting her with Jeffrey Epstein, but then pulled the lawsuit
back and voluntarily dismissed it. Now, of course, there's been
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a ton of questions about who Katie Johnson might be
or if she even exists, And I wish I had
an answer for you. I do not, But what I
will say is this, like everything else in this case,
everything else when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein, the line
between what's real and what's not real is always blurred.
And we have to recognize that there's going to be
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people out there that are scandalous as fuck that are
going to try and piggyback off of what Jeffrey Epstein
was up to, the crimes he committed, and try and
use that for their own gain. So what are we
left with, Well, basically we're left with a Gordian not right,
and it's up to us to try and untangle it. Well,
today we're going to talk a little bit more about
Katie Johnson, and I'm going to leave it up to you, folks,
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to believe or not believe whatever you want. Again, it's
my job to open the door, and if you decide
you want to walk through that door, that's up to you.
So let's get started talking about Katie Johnson, and let's
try and separate some of the truth from some of
the bs. Recently, one of the questions that I've been
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asked about quite often is who is Katie Johnson? And
my answer is I wish I knew. Besides what was
reported about her and the lawsuit that was filed and
then dismissed against President Trump, there isn't much to go on. However,
in light of the new circumstances surrounding Donald Trump and
his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, you knew that it wouldn't
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be long before this was brought back into the spotlight.
So the first thing we need to get out of
the way is that the lawsuit was dropped by Katie Johnson. Now,
of course, there are a lot of allegations about her
being intimidated or her being pressured, But the truth it is,
while that is certainly a possibility, we don't have any
evidence of that. What we're left with, like with most
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situations involving Jeffrey Epstein is more questions than there are answers.
And the reason that that matters, and the reason people
keep circling back to her name, is because her story
represents something that sits right at the heart of the
entire case, the space between what we know and what
we can't prove, between what seems obvious and what we
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are technically allowed to say out loud. Every time this
conversation comes up, the ground beneath it feels unstable, like
the moment before an earthquake, when everything is too quiet.
It's unsettling to consider that a woman could stand up
and accuse two of the most powerful men in America
of something so horrific and then just disappear from the
public record without leaving a trail to follow or answers
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to hold onto. The silence around her isn't just a
lack of information, It's its own kind of signal. It
forces you to sit with the discomfort of not knowing,
and it demands you recognize the machinery of power that
has always operated behind the scenes. In the Epstein saga, Look,
I have no idea what happened or didn't happen, and
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I'm not going to sit here and pretend otherwise, just
as sound authoritative. I don't know if she was telling
the truth, and I don't know if she fabricated the
whole thing out of fear or confusion, or desperation or
something darker. What I do know, because history has beaten
it into us like a hammer, is that when Jeffrey
Epstein's name enters the equation, the normal rules of reality
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stop applying. And look, that's not paranoia. It's a documented
pattern stretching back decades. Things that should make sense suddenly don't.
People who should be easy to find somehow disappear, like smoke.
Records that should be public get sealed. Evidence that should
be preserved, winds up, destroyed, Cameras that should be working
suddenly malfunction. Guards who should be awake conveniently fall asleep.
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And every time we try to understand what actually happened,
we hit an in visible a wall that someone built
long before we ever started asking questions. And that's why
it feels impossible to dismiss anything out right when it
comes to Epstein. If this story has taught us anything,
it's that certainty as a luxury that nobody gets. You
learn quickly that expecting the unexpected is in cynicism, it's survival.
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It's a defensive reflex. After watching the truth get twisted, suffocated,
and buried over and over again in broad daylight. Every
time someone says that couldn't possibly be true, we end
up watching that exact thing unravel in front of us
six months later. Every time the public is told to
stop digging, something huge breaks loose that proves they were
trying to bury it. Every time a lead looks dead,
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it turns out to be the one that matters. And
when a case, or a witness or a trail suddenly disappears,
it usually means we were getting too close to something
someone never wanted exposed. So do I know who Katie
Johnson really is or what did or didn't happen to
I don't, and I'm not going to pretend I do
to score points or try to play the hero. What
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I do know is that silence is not an answer,
and disappearance shouldn't be closure. And we don't get to
shrug and move on just because the story makes powerful
people uncomfortable. We don't get to forget because it's messy
or complicated or frightening. We don't get to surrender simply
because someone decided we've seen enough. There's a reason people
are still asking questions. There's a reason her name still surfaces.
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There's a reason so much energy has been spent ensuring
nobody can say anything definitive about her. None of that
happens around nothing. So look, what I do know is
that we're going to keep digging in search of the
truth wherever it leads us. And that isn't a thread
or a promise to anyone except the truth itself. It's
a refusal to let silence have the final word. It's
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a refusal to accept that unanswered questions are the same
thing as resolution. It's the belief that if a story
still burns after this long, it's because something underneath the
smoke has not finished revealing itself. We owe it to
the survivors, we owe it to the public, We owe
it to the integrity of history itself, and we owe
it to every person who was told to shut up,
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sit down, and disappear for someone else's convenience. So that
leads us to the question, who is Katie Johnson? And
did she ever exist? Today's article is from the San
Francisco Chronicle and the headline a California woman accused both
Epstein and Trump? Did she ever exist? The author of
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this article is Raheem Hosani. In the stacks of documents
that Congress released from the estate of Jeffrey Epstein are
numerous communications about one of the late sexual predators less
credited accusers, a California plaintiff who once used the name
Katie Johnson. Nearly a decade ago before Donald Trump became
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the Republican Party presidential nominee. The plaintiff accused him and
Epstein of raping her when she was a teenager in
the nineties. Under the name Katie Johnson and representing herself,
the plaintiff leveled the accusations in federal court in San
Bernardino County, then twice more in New York as Jane Do.
The lawsuits were short lived, the first dismissed, the others withdrawn,
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and the mystery of Katie Johnson simmered mostly in fever
dream corners of the Internet, where those eager to believe
the worst about Trump interact with salacious content creators and
qa non conspiracies and look like I've said from the jump.
We don't know. We have to go on what's been said, right,
We have to go on the actions that were taken
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inside the court. And when you file a lawsuit and
then you have it dismissed the first time by the
judge and then it's withdrawn by you two times, people
are gonna have questions right now. Of course, there's a
lot that goes into it. We have no idea what
was going on behind the scenes. We don't know if
there was pressure or intimidation or any of it. Certainly
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valid question, and look, I'm not saying that that occurred.
I have no idea. Like I said in the opening,
I wasn't there. I don't know. What we're trying to
do now is get to the bottom of it right
one way or the other. It's still not clear who
Katie Johnson was or if she ever existed, though someone
professing to be her contacted me in twenty sixteen when
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I first reported on the lawsuits. Yet, thanks to emails
released last week by Republicans on the House Oversight Committee,
we know that Epstein was at least aware of her accusations.
And that's true when you read the emails. Epstein certainly
was aware of the accusations. But like I've said from
the jump, there are people that have tried to benefit
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personally from all of this by claiming that they were
abused when they weren't, So we always have to keep
that in mind as well. In April of twenty sixteen,
Epstein forwarded Reuter's report request for comment about Katie Johnson's
lawsuit to several people, including attorney Alan Dershowitz and former
White House counsel Katherine Rumler. To Tom Barrock, a Trump
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campaign advisor who is now the president's ambassador to Turkey,
Epstein wrote, nuts, but I thought you guys should know.
To journalists Michael Wolfe, Epstein wrote, here we go. So, look,
there's some smoke there right now. Does that mean that
it's all true what Keady Johnson said? Of course not,
but there's certainly some smoke there. And I think that
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more answers are necessary. And I think there's a common
theme here, and that's that Michael Wolfe is involved in
just about everything Epstein was up to. So when are
we gonna get Michael Wolfe under oath in front of Congress?
Because it's obvious to me that he was a lot
more than just a journalist trying to get information. In
November twenty sixteen, two days after Trump's election, Epstein forwarded
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a daily mail story about the lawsuit being withdrawn in
New York Federal Court to several friends and associates. New
York Times financial reporter Landon Thomas Junior responded, you called
it and asked Epstein about his stock portfolio. Melanie Walker,
a neurosurgeon and Gates Foundation alum, offered her condolences and
asked if Epstein even knew the trouble plaintiff. Epstein replied.
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Note to another sympathizing confidant, Virgin Island's tax attorney, Erica A.
Keller Hall's, who would receive Epstein's final will, Epstein wrote,
it's funny. Don't lose your sense of humor, And when
Epstein told Deepak Chopra the lawsuit had been dropped, the
New Age guru replied, good over a signature line that
included a Carl's bad address and promoted Chopper's book Radical Beauty,
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How to Transform Yourself from the inside Out. Another one
of these scuzzballs, who's up here on an ivory tower
preaching to the rest of us? Meaning Deepak Chopra. But
yet he's over here palin around with Jeffrey Epstein. Huh.
With Trump on Wednesday, signing Congress measure to require the
Justice Department to publish the remainder of the Epstein files,
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there could soon be additional belles of materials to sift through.
Representative Rocanna of Santa Clara, one of the architects of
the bipartisan petition, said that he expects the files to
reveal the identities of hundreds of rich and powerful men
who knew of Epstein's crimes, cover them up, and possibly
participated in them. And I have a feeling that a
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lot of those names you're gonna hear are all names
that we've talked about previously. Now, of course, there's probably
gonna be some bombshells, no doubt about it, But for
the most part, most of the names are going to
be people that we're familiar with. I think we need
to know what his exact relationship was. Conna said of Trump,
but again, this is not just about the president, and
I think people need to keep that in mind. Of course,
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Donald Trump's playing a huge part in this, but I
think a lot of that has to do with the
cover up right. If he would have been upfront from
the beginning, it would have been embarrassing. But if he
has nothing to hide as far as criminality, then let
the dice fall where they may. He should know that
his supporters are going to back them no matter what,
so he should have been honest, right, come forward, do
the right thing a man. Is that too much to ask,
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for fuck's sake, Just be a man and do the
right thing. Take your licks when they're coming. But of
course not right. His little fragile, bruised ego is more
important than getting to the bottom of this. Now, chew
on that for a little while and tell me that
doesn't make you want to vomit. Years after he became
a convicted sex offender and cultural pariah, Epstein strategized with
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then Trump advisor Steve Bannon about how to position Trump
with European leaders, arranged get togethers with Silicon Valley Trump
donor Peter Thiel, and traded friendly emails with former Israeli
Prime Minister Ehud Barack, liberal academic Noam Chomsky, former Treasury
Secretary Larry Summers, and others. All of these people we
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knew about. And I think this is kind of a
wake up call for a lot of people who thought
that the whole story about a handful of elites running
the world was bullshit, breaking news, folks. It's true. Now,
maybe not the way that some people explain it, right,
But the real masters of the universe, and I've said
this from the very beginning, are the financial sector. They're
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the ones that are pulling all the strings on everything
that happens. Do you think any of these people get
elected without the blessing of the financial sector. And I
know people love to point to Obama and say, look,
he had no scandals, this, that, the other thing, cool, whatever.
Do you know how many bankers that dude had as
part of his cabinet, as part of his inner circle.
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It goes on and on. This transcends parties. The real
people that are in control are the people that were
backing Jeffrey Epstein financially and covering for him. Now, if
that doesn't make you want to jump off a building,
I have no idea what will. Rather than settle the
nature of Epstein and Trump's relationship, the materials fan conjecture
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about it, Epstein alleged that Trump knew about the girls.
In a January twenty nineteen email to Wolf. In a
February twenty sixteen email, Wolf told Epstein that he was
the Trump bullet for the people behind Katie Johnson. The
same was supposed to be true of her looking for
Katie Johnson. It was the bombshell that didn't detonate. In
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April of twenty sixteen, in the final months of an
axis tilting presidential election, of person using the name Katie
Johnson filed a one hundred million dollar federal lawsuit accusing
Trump and Epstein of sexually assaulting her when she was thirteen.
The allegations outlined in Johnson's six page complaint were explicit
and echo charges made for years against Epstein, a connected
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financier who snared countless girls with false promises to pray
of dax and ugly threats. But the allegations against Trump,
accusing him of active participation in Epstein's child rate parties,
well that was new. Ye had no shit. It was new,
and of course it set off a firestorm. And at
the time there was so much going on in the media,
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so much back and forth, so much Trump did this,
Trump did that. This was kind of you know, drained out.
It was kind of muted. People were like, you know what,
they're going after him with all this Russish shit. They're
going after him with this that the other thing probably
part of that, But the question is was it right.
We don't know. I don't know, and that's all part
of the plan. These people thrive in confusion. I've said
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that from the beginning and I'll continue to say it,
like Little Finger and Game of Throne says, chaos is
a ladder, and these people they want chaos in everything
they do. According to the lawsuit, Epstein loard Kady Johnson
to his New York residence behind promises of a modeling career.
Over a four month period in nineteen ninety four, She
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alleged Epstein and Trump took turns assaulting her in increasingly
severe ways. A week after Katy Johnson filed her lawsuit,
the judge dismissed it for a failing to cite an
actionable civil rights claim. It leveled criminal allegations not covered
by the federal civil Statute. The dismissal letter bounced back
from the address Katie Johnson had given, which Google Maps
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once showed to be a weathered shack in the desert
city of twenty nine Palms, home to the country's largest
US Marine Corps base, and little else. The phone number
she provided didn't accept calls, so shady, right, Let's just
call it what it is, shady, and you can see
why people have punched a bunch of holes in her
story and why people dismiss it outright. On May tenth,
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twenty sixteen, while working at the Sacramento News and Review,
I texted the number, asking if it belonged to Katie Johnson.
A day later, a response came, who are you Raheem,
friend or foe? Gimme info on you please, Thank you. Katie.
I responded that I was a reporter attempting to authenticate
the information in her lawsuit. Three days later, I received
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a phone call from a block number, then a text
answer your phone from block number. It's me thanks Katie. Okay,
that's interesting. Right on Kean's twenty sixteen, I answered that call.
It wasn't Katie Johnson. The voice belonged to a man
who wouldn't give his name and claimed to be working
with Katie Johnson, but evaded questions about the nature of
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their relationship or how I could reach her directly. Because
Katie Johnson alleged that she had been sexually trafficked by
Epstein and sexually abused by both him and Trump. I
wanted to make sure that I wasn't dealing with another exploiter.
The call ended abruptly. I think I hung up on him.
So again, not looking good right, sounds a bit off.
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And that's what I said when it was first breaking,
that it doesn't seem like Katie Johnson is willing to
go through with what she's saying, if she even exists,
because we have to make sure that we're being cautious
of Charlatan's right. And look, I'm not saying that that's
what Katie Johnson is. I don't know that's what we're
doing here. We're trying to figure out what's what. But
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there have been people that have come forward that have
been manipulators, people looking for a payday, and you always
have to keep that in mind. And when you're dealing
with politics, you have to understand that the ops, no
matter of the side, they're looking for ways to exploit people,
and if they can have somebody filo a lawsuit to
try and stop their foe from winning office, they're gonna
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do that. So we always have to keep everything in
mind when we're talking about these devious sons of bitches.
Late one night in October twenty sixteen, I answered a
phone call from a block number. My mother was on
her deathbed, and I braced myself for news of her passing. Instead,
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it was a man asking if I was still interested
in pursuing the Katie Johnson story. I hung up my phone,
rang I let it. The man left a during voicemail.
I no longer have so again, folks, look, does that
sound like legitimate back and forth play between an accuser
and you know, a journalist who's trying to get the
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story out. Katie Johnson filed and withdrew two more lawsuits
that year. Days before the November twenty sixteen election, a
planned news conference was canceled in Los Angeles where Katie
Johnson was to appear alongside Lisa Bloom, a celebrity attorney
who represented other Epstein accusers and also advised Harvey Weinstein. Now, look,
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I've said from the beginning that Lisa Bloom and her
mom not people I trust. Gloria already not people I trust.
They're the kind of lawyers that are only in it
for the exposure. I'm more into lawyers who were into
kicking the shit out of people inside of the courtroom, right,
people that are actually trial lawyers who are going to
handle business, and these two certainly don't fit the bill.
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Outside of a purported video floating around the internet, Katie
Johnson has never been seen or heard from those around
her claim that she's been scared off. The morning of
the presser, Katie found out that her phone had been hacked.
Evanel golden In, a New Jersey civil litigator who represented
Katie Johnson, said via email this freaked her out. She
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did not go through with the presser and shortly thereafter
instructed me to dismiss the lawsuit. There have been a
few attempts several years ago to get her to go
to the press, but she wants nothing more to do
with this anymore. So again, it's up to you, folks, Right,
I'm here to present what evidence we have and then
you're gonna make the decisions that you make. What I'll
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say is this, if Katie Johnson does exist and her
allegations are true and real, now's the time to come
forward because she's never gonna get more support. She's never
going to get more people to back her up than now.
So if this is real and this really happened, I
would hope that Katie would come forward here right now.
Of course, none of us are walking in her shoes.
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We don't know what she's going through, we don't know
what kind of life she's lived. You know, if all
of this is real, where you know both scenarios here,
Because again I'm not gonna bullshit you and say I
know one way or the other. I do not, but
there's certainly some concerning things both ways. Goldman said that
he never actually met or spoke to Katie Johnson. He
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said he communicated with her through his co counsel, Thomas F. Meeger,
a New Jersey patent lawyer who introduced Goldman to the case,
and Bloom, daughter of feminist icon Gloria Allred. Goldman said
Meager and Bloom were the ones to inform him that
Katie Johnson wanted to drop the lawsuit in November of
twenty sixteen. I did not communicate with her directly, Goldman
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said in an email. So I think probably a good
idea to get Meager and Gloria Alread and Bloom under oath,
and you know, let's talk about if Katie exists. Now,
they don't have to give any other information. But did
you ever have a face to face with her? Did
you sit down and talk to her? These are all
details that are very important, right if you're trying to
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make a case anyway. Goldman also named a journalist he
said that had interviewed Katie Johnson in California and found
her credible. To me, that was enough for me to
be all in on it. Goldman said the journalist has
unpublished anything about Katie Johnson and stopped responding to emails
in August. Bloom, who has filed two federal lawsuits in
New York against Sean Colmes this year, declined to comment
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through a spokesperson. Meager said that attorney client privilege precluded
him from saying anything, including whether Katie Johnson was a
real person. Johnson's other former attorney, Florida litigator Cheney Mason,
who represented Casey Anthony, did not respond to messages. I
have to be honest, I find all of that shady.
I find all of it shady. You would think that
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at least one of the lawyers would respond and be like, look,
here's the deal, here's this here is that. Here's the
other thing. To some child safety advocates, speculating about the
unknowable can distract from what is known. More than a
dozen women, from pageant contestants to mar A Lago guests
to former employees, have publicly accused Trump of sexual misconduct.
Trump has denied them all. Separate juries have found Trump
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liable for sexually abusing e Gene Carroll in nineteen ninety
six and defaming her by denying it, awarding Carroll a
total of eighty eight point three million in damages, which
is wild, by the way. I mean, the Epstein survivors,
for the most part, got pieced off like a million bucks,
million bucks each for the most part. Compare that to
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the eighty eight point three million. Oh boy, that's a
lot of dough. Trump's first choice for attorney general, former
Republican Representative mc gates of Florida, withdrew over allegations that
he sexually exploited a minor. Yeah, allegedly a seventeen year
old homeless girl. Imagine that shit, A seventeen year old
girl who was working at McDonald's. Attorney General Pound Bondi,
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who will be in charge of releasing the Epstein, files
was Florida's chief legal counsel. When Epstein received a knockdown
charge of soliciting prostitution, the Palm Beach Post reported, it
all ties together, right, all roads lead to Florida. Like
I've said from the jump at Pam Bondi, she has
a lot of explaining to do when it comes to
all of her ties with Jeffrey Epstein. She likes to
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play dumb, but man, I'll tell you what. She should
know a lot more than she does. Certainly she should
know how to pronounce Gallain Maxwell's name by now right.
Trump's immigration crackdown has redirected federal agents who investigate child
sex crimes. The New York Times reported earlier this month,
federal prosecutions for child sex trafficking felt during Trump's first term.
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According to Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, including under
the laws used to charge Epstein in twenty nineteen, white
color prosecutions are also at their lowest in forty years.
Let's say policing actually worked, said Kate Diamo, an expert
on sexual labor and exploitation at Reframe Health Injustice. If
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at any point anybody on the right actually cared about this,
they'd be pissed. Well, I think there's people on the
right that most certainly if there wasn't, there wouldn't be
this swelling for support to go against Trump when it
comes to Epstein. University of Pennsylvania political science professor Marcy Hamilton,
founder of Child USA advocacy organization and a national authority
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on the clergy abuse scandal, said the Epstein saga is
prompting people like her to re explain what cover ups
look like. When Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson said last
month that he supported the release of credible information regarding Epstein,
Hamilton said Johnson was invoking the Vatican playbook for shielding
pedophile priests. One hundred percent credible. What does that mean
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that your friends are going to be protected? Sorry, buddy,
that's not how this is going to work this time.
That's the buzzword of the bishops. That's how the bishops
were able to cover up as much child sexual abuse
as they did, she said. Goldman said Meager brought him
to the Katie Johnson lawsuit motivated by a desire to
keep Trump from being elected president. But as we know
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now he can almost do worse things, and this never
seems to affect him. Goldman said, So there is a
lot of that at play. I know a lot of
people out there really just hate Trump, and I get it, right,
I totally get it. But when we're talking about this issue,
we have to shoot straight. We have to be fair
because if not, it's going to cause more confusion. Look
at what's going on already. So everybody has to be
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treated equally. If you're somebody that was involved, you're on
the list. Bro. If you're somebody that was enabling, you're
on the list. But we have to be honest and
fair when we're going through it. Right, not everybody that
was with Epstein was doing the heinous abusing. Not everybody
that was with him was hurting girls. So the idea
is to dig through all of the muck and get
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to the clarity. And that's what we're trying to do
every single day. Epstein expressed a similar sentiment. In February
of twenty sixteen. Thomas the Times reporter emailed Epstein saying,
the stories you could tell about candidate Trump, to which
Epstein replied, actually, I don't think the voters would care. Well,
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I think that that is not true. Now some voters wouldn't,
but I think we've seen recently that that's not the
case for everybody. And I think there is a large
block of people that are really questioning what the fuck's
going on right now, and I think that's a good
thing and that needs to be encouraged. Right people need
to break away from their echo chambers. It's okay to
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question the people in power. It's okay to ask questions
that might make people uncomfortable. That's how our republic works,
that's how democracy works. And the people that are trying
to stop the questions, the people that are trying to
shut people up, those are the people that I focus
on because obviously you're hiding something. But when it comes
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to this situation with Katie Johnson, the truth is we
just don't know. And so as we close out the
conversation for now, I think it's i ortant to acknowledge
something that often gets lost when stories like this resurface,
the emotional weight of uncertainty. There's a real human toll
that comes with trying to make sense of something built
on half truths, sealed records, missing witnesses, and power structures
(28:16):
designed to outlast outrage. It's exhausting to keep chasing shadows.
But what's even more exhausting is pretending the shadows aren't there.
We're not dealing with a clean crime scene or a
straightforward narrative. We're dealing with a labyrinth that was engineered
from day one to confuse, misdirect, and discourage anyone who
dared to look too closely. And for me, this isn't
(28:38):
about proving anyone right or wrong. It's not about scoring
victories or dunking on opponents, or weaponizing trauma for political convenience.
It's about refusing to accept that silence and disappearance are
acceptable endings to stories that scream for clarity. It's about
recognizing that turning away is exactly what the architects of
this nightmare have always counted on. They want the public
(29:01):
to be frustrated and walk off the field so that
whatever is buried stays buried forever. And that's how they
survive for decades, and that's why they're pushing back now
more than ever. So if there's one thing worth keeping
front and center going forward, it's the commitment to continue
asking questions without apology and without fear of being told
we're reaching too far. Every truth that has ever shaken
(29:23):
a corrupt system loose started with someone refusing to stop
digging when the ground got hard. We may not know
where the trail leads, and we may not know the
answers neatly packaged or delivered on queue, but that has
never been the nature of justice. Justice is a result
of persistence, pressure, endurance, and the refusal to be intimidated
(29:44):
into silence. And that's where we stand, not with certainty,
not with neatly tied conclusions, but with determination, with an
obligation to truth instead of convenience, with the understanding that
if we don't keep pushing, nobody else will. Oh we
keep going, We keep digging, We keep asking the uncomfortable
(30:04):
questions and shining light exactly where they don't want light
to shine, and until the truth comes out, we move forward.
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