Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Arrest (Part 21-24) (12/27/25)

In a videotaped deposition taken in April 2016, Maxwell was questioned under oath about Giuffre’s allegations of being groomed and trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell—allegations that she vehemently denied, calling Giuffre an “absolute liar” and asserting she had no involvement in recruiting or abusing her. Maxwell repeatedly refused to answer questions about alleged sexual activity with minors—labeling them as inquiries into “consensual adult sex”—and insisted she had no knowledge of underage abuse. She denied any wrongdoing or participation in Epstein’s trafficking network, attempting to distance herself from all aspects of Giuffre’s claims.

Critics and federal prosecutors later pointed to this deposition as a key piece of evidence in her criminal indictment: they argue Maxwell knowingly made false statements under oath, which became the basis for two counts of perjury in her 2021 criminal charges. Despite her denials, corroborating evidence—including testimony about threesomes with minor girls, flight logs, and recruitment patterns—cast serious doubt on her credibility. Giuffre’s suit was ultimately settled in 2017, reportedly for millions of dollars, but the unsealed deposition—and Maxwell’s fierce denials—now serve as a stark contrast to the weight of testimony and documentation later vetted in court.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
left off with the Gallaine Maxwell deposition that led us
to where we are today. So let's get right back
to it. And as a refresher, Cigarett McCauley is asking
the questions and Glaiine Maxwell is giving the responses, So

(00:20):
let's get to it. McCauley, are you aware of any
grand theft police report relating to Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I
believe I've read a report in the press on that. McCauley.
Did you provide the press with a report on a
grand theft by Virginia Roberts Maxwell? I don't know how
the press got that story. McCauley, do you know if
Virginia Roberts committed a grand theft? Maxwell? I only know

(00:44):
what I read in the press. McCauley, did you ever
state to the press that Virginia Roberts committed a grand theft? Maxwell,
I've never had any conversation directly with the press. McCauley,
did any of your representatives ever inform the press that
Virginia Roberts committed theft? Pagliuca objection to the form and
the foundation. Maxwell, I have no way of knowing what

(01:07):
my representative said to the presser didn't McCauley. Did they
ever discuss with you the fact that they were going
to report that Virginia Roberts participated in a grand theft? Maxwell,
I don't know how. First of all, I don't know how.
I know that I believe I read it in a
press report. So McCauley, I'm going to mark this as
composite exhibit Maxwell fourteen. Please, McCauley, I'm going to direct

(01:32):
you to page GM zero zero one zero nine. At
the top of that page, you were going to see
an email address from Jeffrey Epstein on Sunday, June twelfth,
twenty eleven, to redacted. Maxwell. Yes, McCauley. The ri line says,
this is the actual version they wanted me to send,
which I changed, but this is back from my UK lawyers.

(01:54):
Do you see that, Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. If you go
down further, you're going to see halfway through the page,
you will see your email address the redacted, and you
will see a statement that says thank you, I have
it now I'm working on the letter a little. I
will send the final version tomorrow and whatever is in
it will be factually accurate. Beneath that you will see

(02:15):
redacted who I believe you identified earlier as one of
your attorneys Maxwell, Uh huh McCauley, and you will see
a letter starting the text of a letter, I want
you to turn to the second page, which is GM
zero zero one one zero. About halfway through the page,
it says you will also presumably draw attention to the

(02:35):
fact that, prior to filing her suit against mister Epstein,
Miss Roberts fled the US to avoid being arrested for
grand theft. Police report available? And what grand theft were
you referring to that Virginia Roberts committed Tagliuca objection to
the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know, However,
I believe she stole money from somewhere where she worked. McAuley.

(02:58):
How do you know that was grand Maxwell? I don't
know how I know that, McCauley. So you authorized a
statement that characterized that is grand theft without knowing whether
it was grand theft? Maxwell, what month? What is the
date of this, McCauley. The date of this is June twelfth,
twenty eleven. Maxwell, So I'm afraid such a long time ago,

(03:20):
I'm not sure how I really couldn't testify as to
how that language ended up in here. McCauley, Do you
have the police report? It says police report available. Do
you have that document? Maxwell? I don't have that document, McCauley.
Who does? Maxwell? I have no idea. McCauley. Would your
lawyer redacted have that document? Maxwell? I don't know who

(03:42):
has this document. McCauley. What's your basis in that statement
for saying that miss Roberts fled the US? Maxwell, Again,
you are asking me for a statement that I made
in twenty eleven, and I can't say what in twenty
eleven exactly the basis of that statement was, McCauley. So
you don't know whether or not that statement is true. Maxwell.

(04:03):
This is in twenty eleven and it never went out,
So I'm not exactly sure. McCauley. But you said in
your email that you were working to make it factually accurate.
Is that correct? Maxwell? That's what it says. McCauley. I'm
going to mark as Maxwell fifteen A document dated February
twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, Maxwell, Exhibit fifteen email marked for identification. McCauley,

(04:30):
this is an email from redacted who you've identified as
you are redacted on February twenty fourth, twenty fifteen, to redacted,
which I understand to be your email address and redacted.
The subject line says vr crid rape prior case dismissed
as prosecutor's founder, not to be credible. The message says
Glane some helpful leakage dot dot dot dot dot. What

(04:53):
is it you were leaking to the press, mister Pagliuca objection.
There is no foundation that she leaked anything. And you know, McCauley,
what was it that you were leaking to the press
in that statement? Maxwell, again, I don't think that's what
we're referring to. That's just referring to the press getting
a hold of whatever story it is. McCauley, what was

(05:14):
redacted leaking to the press. Mister Pagliuca objection to the
form and the foundation. Maxwell. It doesn't say redacted was
leaking anything. It doesn't say that, McCauley. The statement says
helpful leakage. Is that correct? Maxwell? It says helpful leakage.
That doesn't mean he leaked anything, McCauley, did you leak
to the press information about the subject line vr cried

(05:37):
rate prior case dismissed as prosecutors found are not credible. Maxwell,
I don't no idea what redacted is referring to. I
think he is referring to the press held the story.
I couldn't testify to that. McCauley, Did you leak to
the press information regarding the statement vr cried rate prior
case dismissed as prosecutors found are not credible, either through

(05:59):
you or through redacted? Answer? I think this is coming
from the Daily Mail, McCauley. That is not my question.
I'm asking whether you or redacted leak that. Maxwell. I
have no knowledge. I have no idea. I'm sorry, I can't.
I have no recollection. I have no idea what she
is talking about. McCauley. I'm going to mark this as sixteen.

(06:23):
Maxwell exhibits sixteen email marked for identification. McCauley, this is
an email addressed at the top from Jeffrey Epstein on Monday,
January twelfth, twenty fifteen, to redacted, which I understand to
be your email address. The email reads you can issue
a reward to any of Virginia's friends, acquaintances, family that

(06:45):
come forward to help prove her allegations are false. The
strongest is the redacted dinner and the new version of
the virgin Islands that Redacted practiced in an underage Georgie,
did you offer any rewards to Virginia's family or friends
to contradict Virginia's story? That's the same strategy, just to
interject here, that Leon Black was using, basically putting a

(07:08):
bounty out on the accuser. Friends and family, come forward,
get some of my money. Maxwell, Absolutely not. McCauley. Did
Jeffrey Epstein offer any rewards to any of Virginia's as
he suggests here, friends, families, or acquaintances to contradict Virginia's story?
Mister Pagliuca objection to the Forum and the foundation. Maxwell,

(07:31):
I have no idea what he did. McCauley. Did he
tell you he was going to offer rewards to Virginia's acquaintances, friends,
and family to prove her allegations were false? Answer by Maxwell,
He did not. McCauley. Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein
paid redacted to give testimony about Virginia Roberts? Maxwell I

(07:51):
don't know who redacted is, McCauley, so you don't know
whether Jeffrey Epstein paid her. Maxwell, I don't know who
redacted is. McCauley. Have you ever contacted any of Virginia's friends, acquaintances,
or family regarding this case? Maxwell, I don't know who
Virginia's friends or family are, and I have not contacted
anybody related to her in any way, shape or form. McCauley,

(08:14):
I will turn you. I believe it's the thicker document,
which is Maxwell. I believe it was fourteen right there,
the compilation document to GM at the bottom GM zero
zero zero seven to one. You actually may want to
turn the prior page seventy so you can see the
email chain at the top of the page. Mister Pagliuca,
I don't have a zero zero zero seven to one. McCauley.

(08:36):
It's the second page in that document, Pagluka, Okay, McCauley.
It's dated Friday, March eleventh, twenty eleven, from Maxwell to
Jeffrey with the title daily Mail. And there is a
forward from redacted to you and a number of other
individuals that's on the cover page. And as you scroll
to the second page. You are going to see that

(08:56):
part of the chain that I'm asking about, and that
is is the chain at the bottom, which is dated
three ten, twenty eleven from redacted, and it says we
think we should think about the letter to the editor.
School can be university. Age of consent in Florida is
complex see below. If you are sixteen years old, a
sexual relationship with someone eighteen to twenty four is legal

(09:20):
in Florida two persons between sixteen and twenty four Florida
Statutes seven ninety four dot five. A person twenty four
years of age or older who engages in sexual activity
with a person sixteen or seventeen years of age commits
a felony in the second degree. So as soon as
you turn sixteen, you are able to have sexual relations,

(09:40):
and you can have sexual relations with the minor under
the age of eighteen until your twenty fourth birthday. Why
were you concerned with the age of consent in Florida,
mister Pagliuca objection to the form and foundation of the question. Maxwell,
I wasn't concerned. I think this was somebody sending me
the statute for informational purposes. McCauley, who is redacted. Maxwell,

(10:03):
he is the person who redacted boss. I believe I
don't know what the relationship is. McCauley. I didn't hear
you Maxwell, redacted. I'm not sure exactly, McCauley. Why would
he be sending you information addressing concerns about the age
of consent in Florida? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form
and the foundation. Maxwell, I think he was just trying

(10:25):
to be telling me details that would happen. Virginia in
eleven was claiming she was fifteen and we thought she
was seventeen. I didn't know what the statutes were in Florida,
and I think he was just trying to be helpful
so I would know. McCauley, did you have a concern
that you had violated the statute in Florida? Pagliuca objection
to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, No, McCauley. Did

(10:49):
you have a concern that Jeffrey Epstein had violated this
statute in Florida? Maxwell, I'm not concerned what happened with Jeffrey.
I'm only concerned with what happens with me. McCauley, did
you communicate with redacted about the sexual consent age in Florida.
Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. It mistates
her testimony. Maxwell, I wasn't concerned. I think he was

(11:12):
actually being helpful and stating what the statute was. McCauley,
I'm going to turn you now, in that same stack
to the Bates number GM zero zero zero eight eight
at the top of the email you were going to
see Jeffrey Epstein dated June eighth, twenty eleven to you,
and it's got a line Vanity Fair. If you go
down the chain, you will see where it says under

(11:33):
your email. Do you have a problem with anything I said?
Were you communicating with Jeffrey to confirm what statements you
could put in any press releases you were given? Mister
Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell. Any
interest I have is in accuracy, McCauley. Were you confirming
with Jeffrey Epstein what information you could put in a

(11:55):
press release? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, Again,
I'm only looking for accuracy, McCauley. Why would you ask
him if he had a problem with anything you were saying? Maxwell?
If there is anything I characterize that is not correct. McCauley,
that's not what you said. You said, do you have

(12:16):
a problem with anything I said? Pagliuka objection to the
form and the foundation. There is no question pending McCauley,
there is, Pagliuka. That's not a question, it's a statement. McCauley,
don't interrupt me. McCauley. Did you say, do you have
a problem with anything? I said? Maxwell? That was asking,
in my parlance, that I wanted him to check it

(12:38):
for accuracy. McCauley. Did he tell you there was anything
inaccurate about that statement? Maxwell? Again, I have to read
the whole thing to figure it out. McCauley, were you
coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein during this time period in twenty
eleven regarding statements that you were issuing to the press. Pagliuka?
Did you withdraw the last question? McCauley, I'm not withdrawing anything.

(13:02):
I'm asking a question. Pagliuka, there was a question pending.
You didn't let the witness answer the question, then you
moved on to another question. So I'm asking for clarification
for the record. Now, which question are we answering? McCauley,
There is an answer. The question was, did he tell
you anything there was anything in the statement inaccurate about

(13:22):
the statement? And she said, again, I read the whole
thing the witness, I would love to McCauley. Maxwell said
that she would have to read the whole thing to
figure it out. Pagliuka. Then she started reading it, and
then you asked another question, McCauley. That's the question, Pagliuka.
I'm wondering if it's still pending McCauley. It was answered, McCauley.

(13:44):
Were you coordinating with Jeffrey Epstein during the time period
in twenty eleven regarding the statements you were issuing to
the press? Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
I only wanted to be accurate in any factual statements
that I made. McCauley, you knew at the time that
Jeffrey Epstein had been convicted for sexual abuse of a minor.

(14:04):
Is that correct, mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
the foundation. Maxwell. He was sentenced, I believe, for underage
soliciting and underage prostitute. McCauley, you knew that he was
a registered sex offender. Maxwell, Yes, McCauley, you were coordinating
with them with that statement that you were going to

(14:24):
be making to the press to confirm whether they were
accurate in your words. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
and the foundation. Maxwell, I was not coordinating with Jeffrey.
He had details that I did not have. I was
not party to his case. I needed to have information
in order to be able to respond, so I was
not coordinating with them. I was merely asking for details

(14:46):
that I could have. McCauley. Did Jeffrey write any of
your press statements for you? Maxwell? No, McCauley, did he
draft any of them? Maxwell, I have a lawyer who
was working on this, and that was I asked. I
believe as I I recollect asked him for information to
make sure I was being accurate in the representations for
whatever I was discussing. McCauley, did Jeffrey provide you with

(15:09):
any drafts of statements to provide to the press, Maxwell,
I only recall drafts from my lawyer, McCauley. I will
mark this as Maxwell seventeen. McCauley, this is an email
from you on January tenth, twenty fifteen. To redact it.
The statement you had before you earlier that if you
can pull that in front of you, the one page

(15:31):
press release that you gave you might not know it
from memory, was the press release that you issued with
the statement about Virginia, issued in or around January second,
twenty fifteen. Maxwell, As best as I can recollect, McCauley,
I want you to turn your attention to the document
I just handed you, which is Bates number zero zero
one zero four to four from you to redacted. It

(15:53):
says in the first sentence, I'm out of my debt
to understand defamation other legal hazards, as I don't want
to end up in a lawsuit and at me from
anyone if I can help it. Apparently, even saying Virginia
is a liar is a hazard. You knew at the
time you called Virginia a liar in early January twenty fifteen,
that that was something that would result in a lawsuit.

(16:14):
Is that correct, mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
the foundation, Maxwell, I have legal advice that I took, McCauley,
but you knew in early January by making a statement
calling Virginia a liar that you were subjecting yourself to
a legal dispute with her. Mister Pakliuka objection to the
form and the foundation. Maxwell, I took legal advice as

(16:35):
to what should be said and not be said, and
the legal advice that came from the United Kingdom was
Pagliuka interjects, you are not allowed to talk about any
legal advice that you got from anybody that's a lawyer. Maxwell. Sorry, McCauley,
So is it correct without telling me that you talk
to your lawyers about that you knew, because this is

(16:56):
dated January tenth, that when you made this statement in
early January January second of twenty fifteen, you knew that
calling Virginia a liar would subject you to legal action.
Isn't that correct? Pagliuka objection to the form and foundation
as to what you knew. Whatever she knows would be privileged. McCauley,
I'm asking you if she knows. I'm not asking her

(17:18):
to tell me about the privileged communications. Maxwell. All I
can say is I asked a question and received legal advice.
All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right there, and
in the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
All of the information that goes with this episode can
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick up

(17:42):
where we left off with the Glen Maxwell deposition as
we continue to consume this elephant one bite at a time. McCauley,
this is an email dated January fifteenth, twenty fifteen, from
Jeffrey Epstein to you Maxwell. Uh huh, McCauley. It's in
the first line, do you want redacted to come out

(18:02):
and say she was the girlfriend during the time? Pagluka.
Objection to the form and the foundation of the question.
And actually the word is redacted. There is no vowel
in there, McCauley. I was just trying to pronounce it. McCauley.
This email reads, do you want redacted without a vow
to come out and say she was the girlfriend during
the time? Who was Jeffrey Epstein referring to Maxwell? I

(18:26):
believe he was referring to redacted as we know now
they're talking about chocolate sauce, the so called girlfriend of
Jeffrey Epstein. McCauley, Why was he asking if you wanted
redacted to come out and say she was the girlfriend?
Pag Leuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.

(18:46):
The way the press and you were characterizing me, is
if I was with Jeffrey throughout this entire period of
time and I was not. McCauley was redacted with Jeffrey
during this period of time? Maxwell, I believe she was. McCauley.
Did Jeffrey come out and tell the press it was
redacted and not you that was with him as he

(19:07):
is proposing here? Answer? I don't believe he did. McCauley.
Did you want him to do that? Maxwell? No, I
don't think I asked him to do anything. No, McCauley.
So do you know in January of twenty fifteen was
redacted his girlfriend? Maxwell? Twenty fifteen. I have no idea
who was his girlfriend in twenty fifteen. McCauley, I'm sorry,

(19:30):
you were correct. In the period of nineteen ninety nine
to two thousand and two, was redacted his girlfriend? Maxwell?
They spent a lot of time together. McCauley. Did you
talk to redacted about going to the press and saying
that she was the girlfriend and not you? Maxwell? I
have never spoken to redacted. McCauley. Was blank offered any

(19:50):
money to make a statement? That she was the girlfriend.
Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
have no idea. I have never spoken to redacted, and
I don't know anything. I have no idea Maxwell Exhibit
nineteen email marked for identification McCauley. That's an email from
Jeffrey to Maxwell, dated January twenty fifth, twenty fifteen. Maxwell.

(20:14):
Uh huh, McCauley, I will direct your attention to the
bottom email, which is from you on Saturday, January twenty fourth,
twenty fifteen. It says I would appreciate it if redacted
would come out and say she was your girlfriend. I
think she was from the end of nineteen ninety nine
to two thousand and two. Does that refresh your recollection

(20:35):
that you asked Jeffrey to have redacted come out and
say she was his girlfriend? Maxwell, I'm sure I would
have loved anybody to come out and say that they
were with Jeffrey rather than me. McCauley. Was that an
accurate statement and you were asking to be made to
the press, Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,

(20:56):
when is this McCauley, twenty fifteen. The statement is whether
she was the girlfriend from nineteen ninety nine to two
thousand and two, as the email reads, Maxwell, what is
your question, McCauley, My question is was that an accurate
statement you were going to be giving to the press. Maxwell.
I didn't make the statement and redacted never came out,

(21:17):
so it's completely mood. McCauley. My question is, was it
an accurate statement that redacted was the girlfriend from nineteen
ninety nine to two thousand and two? Or were you
just making that up for purposes of deflecting press from you?
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
As I said, they spent a lot of time together.

(21:38):
And to this McCauley interrupts her, were you also his
girlfriend from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and two? Answer.
I don't know if I would ever have characterized myself
as his girlfriend, but redacted at the time was with
them as much, if not more than I was. McCauley.
I will mark this as Maxwell twenty Maxwell Exhibit twenty

(21:58):
email marked four Ida vacation. McCauley, this is an email.
At the top, it's bates labeled zero zero one zero
six zero. At the top is a chain from Jeffrey
to you on January eleventh, twenty fifteen. If you look below,
I'm going to start at the bottom of that chain,
which is January eleven, at nine to fifteen from Jeffrey,

(22:19):
and he wrote redacted. Do you have an article coming
out in Monday's paper? If so, could you please forward
us a copy. Do you know what redacted Jeffrey was
referring to there, Maxwell, I don't know, McCauley. If you
look up the email chain, do you see an email
address from redacted responding to that letter? Maxwell? I do, McCauley,
So that would be redacted that Jeffrey was emailing at

(22:42):
the time according to this chain. Correct, Maxwell, it certainly
looks like it, McCauley. The email from redacted to Jeffrey
is nothing. On Monday, I'm working on several possible articles
about unfairness in the legal process that allows false charges
to be inserted into legal documents with no opportunity to respond.
And do you see above that Jeffrey's email to you

(23:04):
that says, quote careful, Maxwell, is that to me or
to redact it? McCauley, Jeffrey to redact it. At the top,
why was Jeffrey telling you to be careful. Mister Pagliuka
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. I have
no idea, McCauley, what was he concerned about with redacted
suggestion in that email below? Pagliuca objection to the form

(23:27):
and the foundation? Maxwell, I can't possibly know. McCauley. Did
you discuss with him why he told you to be careful? Maxwell?
I had limited contact with him. I don't recall where
this goes in the chain. Why he was telling me
to be careful. I have no idea. McCauley. Did you
respond to this email? Maxwell? If you don't have it,
I didn't respond. McCauley. Did you ever delete emails during

(23:50):
the period of January of twenty fifteen? Maxwell? I have
every email that you have asked for in discovery that
I have gave you. McCauley, that's not my question. Did
you ever delete emails in January of twenty fifteen? Maxwell?
I have not deleted anything you have asked me for
in discovery. I have given you everything that I have McCauley,

(24:12):
that is not my question. My question is did you
ever delete emails in January of twenty fifteen? Maxwell? In
the normal course of my work. There are emails from
spam that I delete. That is the type of email
that I've deleted. Anything that is material to what you
want I have not deleted. McCauley, how do you know that, Maxwell, Well,
anybody or anything that has to do with Jeffrey or

(24:35):
redacted or women or anything of which I know you
were interested in of which I have anything, I would
not have done because I don't want to subject myself
to this. She's cut off by McCauley. Have you had
your computer forensically copied for the purpose of this litigation?
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and foundation? Maxwell? Has

(24:56):
someone made a copy of your computer for purposes of
this litigation? Maxwell? No, McCauley. Are you a citizen of
the United States? Maxwell? I am McCauley. Are you a
citizen of England? Maxwell? I am McCauley. Are you a
citizen of any other land? Maxwell? Teramar? Really they have
their own land there, huh Okay, I guess McCauley. That's

(25:21):
the name of your charity project that deals with the oceans,
Is that correct? Maxwell? Yeah, I'm French as well. McCauley.
Has Jeffrey Epstein funded Taramar for you. Answer from Maxwell,
he did give me some money to Taramar. Yes, McCauley,
how much Maxwell? I believe it was fifty thousand and right.
Here's the Rico case that I've been talking about. If

(25:42):
you just want to bear bonez Rico case here it
is right here. She got money from his malfeasance. Therefore
she's just as guilty as he is, point blank period.
But still no Rico McCauley. Earlier today, you said you
were in the process of resolving the sell of your
town home. Where do you intend to live once your
town home is sold? Maxwell? That's a good question. I

(26:04):
don't have an answer for you yet. McCauley. You don't
have a present plan. Do you intend to live in
the United States? Maxwell? I don't have a present plan. McCauley.
Are you living outside of your town home right now?
Or are you still there? Maxwell, I'm just CouchSurfing. CouchSurfing?
Is it okay? McCauley. Has Jeffrey Epstein ever purchased a
company for you or put a company in your name?

(26:26):
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell,
I have no recollection. McCauley is there a Glenn Maxwell Corporation,
for example. Maxwell, No, not that I'm aware of that
has anything to do with me. There may be one
with someone else owns are started, but not one that
is related to me. McCauley, I'm going to take a

(26:48):
short break and make sure to keep it short, because
I know you wanted to. I just want to wrap
this up what I have left. It's now five point
forty nine and we are off the record. They're back
on at six and McCauley's once again asking the questions. McCauley, Maxwell,
do you recall being subpoenad for a deposition back in
two thousand and nine? Maxwell? I do, McCauley, why did

(27:12):
you avoid giving your deposition in that case when you
were subpoenaed and had the opportunity to tell your side
of the story. Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
That's not what happened, McCauley. What happened Maxwell, as best
I recall, I was subpoena and the date was set
for the subpoena, and everything was set, and I believe

(27:33):
it was with Brad Edwards. Correct me if I'm wrong,
and Brad Edwards failed to show up for the subpoena McCauley.
So your testimony is Brad Edwards did not show up
for the deposition that had been set Maxwell. Correct, McCauley,
did you give any statement that your mother was ill
and therefore you couldn't take your deposition and had to
leave the country indefinitely. Maxwell, That's an entirely separate situation

(27:57):
Brad Edwards was involved in. They're adacted, I believe you
know is when fake suits were created in Jeffrey's case
and redacted and redacted, and Brad Edwards worked for that
firm McAuley and mister Edwards worked for that firm. Maxwell,
So when the subpoena came, Brad Edwards was involved with
redacted in the case. So when I was called for
subpoena then and I had a subpoena dayton time set,

(28:20):
Brad Edwards went a wall, meaning he failed to respond
to calls and failed to get in touch with my
attorneys even though a Dayton time was set for the subpoena.
And so that's what happened to that subpoena. It just
didn't happen McCauley. We may be talking about two different cases.
So I will ask the question again, was there ever
a time where you were subpoena to sit for a
deposition that you couldnot make it because you said that

(28:43):
your mother was ill Maxwell, So that is the same
subpoena that Brad Edwards failed to turn up for. And
when I think five or six months passed between a
period of time, I can't characterize it exactly, A period
of time passed where he then resurfaced and asked for
a new subpoena to be a new time to be set,
and because he had contacted the press and done all

(29:04):
sorts of things that you guys are familiar with. I
believe it was my lawyer suggested that I should have
some sort of protective order. And I believe between the
time for when Brad Edwards resurfaced after they're adacted for
creating fake cases in Jeffrey's and other people's cases, in
between the time when there were trying to figure out
the protective situation for me, my mother was sick. She

(29:27):
is eighty nine. She was eighty nine at the time,
so they we can all we all have parents, so anyone,
I don't know how old your parents are, but any
parent or godparent. Any individual who was in their late
eighties or nineties we can understand as health issues. So
my mother's health was deteriorating very rapidly at that time,
and we had issues at home with who she would

(29:49):
talk to and had a manager her health care situation,
and so I went home. They were still arguing about
protective orders. She gets interrupted here by manager. Is it
your testimony that there was not a date set for
your deposition at the time you left to go see
your mother? Maxwell? I don't believe. So. All right, folks,
We're gonna wrap up this part here and then the

(30:10):
next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All
of the information that goes with this episode can be
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
back to the Epstein Chronicles. This episode, we're going to
dive right back in to that Glaine Maxwell deposition and
pick up where we left off. Now the next section,

(30:32):
McCauley is asking about Glaine Maxwell and her friendship with
the Clintons. McCauley, are you friends with the Clintons? Maxwell,
I am McCauley. Did you attend the wedding of Chelsea
Clinton a few weeks after the date was set, let's say,
a few weeks after you left to go see your
mother who was ill. Maxwell. I don't recall exactly when

(30:54):
I left, but it was before a few weeks before.
I don't remember the exact timing of that, so I'm sorry.
Can you repeat your question, McCauley, did you come back
to the United States to attend Chelsea Clinton's wedding? Maxwell?
I attended Chelsea Clinton's wedding, but I don't know if
I came back specifically for that or not. McCauley. When

(31:15):
we were looking at the flight logs earlier, there was
a flight where you ended up in redacted. I believe
it was in redacted. Do you know how you got
clearance to land at that redacted? Maxwell? I need to
have a look at whatever the document is, McCauley. It's
one of the flight logs. It was on the flight
with redacted when we were talking about you landed at redacted.

(31:36):
I know you're a pilot. Do you know what you
had to do to get clearance to land at the
naval base? Well, that's nice landing at naval bases, mister Pagliuca.
If you need to look at something to answer the question.
You can. If you can't answer the question without looking
at something, just indicate such Maxwell, Regardless, I wouldn't have
any knowledge of that McCauley was redacted traveling with you

(32:00):
on the flights that you were on with redacted Maxwell,
I would have to look at the document. I wouldn't
know if she was on all of them or not.
I don't know, McCauley. Do you recall her being on
any of them? Maxwell, To the best of my recollection,
I think she was. I don't recollect exactly what flight
she was on or not. McCauley was one of the

(32:20):
co conspirators physically in the non constitution agreement? Is that correct?
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
I have never seen the document, but my understanding I
believe is that she was. McCauley. Did you ever stay
the night ever at redacted's house? Redacted? Have you ever
stayed the night there? Maxwell? In his home? Redacted? Maxwell? Yes, Maxwell,

(32:46):
I don't believe I did. McCauley. Are you aware of
anybody providing Jeffrey with two twelve year old girls as
birthday presents? Mister Pagliuca objection to the Forum and the Foundation.
Maxwell No, McCauley, are you aware of anybody ever providing
Jeffrey with French girls under the age of eighteen as
a birthday present? Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and

(33:09):
the Foundation. Maxwell No, McCauley, do you know whether Redacted
provided girls under the age of sixteen to Jeffrey for
the purposes of sex? Pagliuca objection to the Form and
the Foundation. Maxwell, I am The answer is no. I
don't know anything about that. McCauley. Did you ever witness
Redacted bringing girls under the age of eighteen to any

(33:32):
of Jeffrey's residences? And we're talking about Jean Luke Brunel here,
I would guess, mister Pakluka objection to the Form and
the Foundation. Maxwell, I don't recollect Redacted coming to the
house with girls period. McCauley. Do you when I say house,
I'm including the US Virgin Island home. Do you recollect
Redacted bringing foreign girls under the age of eighteen to

(33:53):
the US Virgin Island's house. Maxwell, I don't recollect anything
like that. Perjury, one hundred percent perjury Right here, There
is not a doubt in the world that Jean Luke
Brunell was bringing these girls to America from Europe and
elsewhere for these idiots to abuse. And speaking of Jean
Luke Brunell, maybe somebody should ask Steve Manouchin what he

(34:15):
was doing working with the dude. McCauley, do you know
how Jeffrey Epstein made his money? Maxwell? No, McCauley was
redacted one of his clients. Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley.
What do you know about the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein
and redacted? Maxwell? Are you talking today, McCauley, yes today, Maxwell,

(34:35):
I have no idea. McCauley. Did they have a business relationship? Maxwell?
I have no idea, McCauley. Did they have a business
relationship during the time that you were working for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
I believe in the nineties when I was there, they
had a business relationship. McCauley. Did they have any other
kind of relationship? Pagliuca objected to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.

(34:58):
The only relationship I am a aware of is the
business relationship. McCauley. Do you know why Less Wexner sold
the New York House or gave the New York House
to Jeffrey if you know, mister Pagliuka objection to the
form and the foundation. And just so we're aware in
the redaction here it's redacted, but it's obviously less Wexner.
So when I can fill the redactions in with confidence,

(35:20):
I'll do that. Maxwell, I know nothing about that transaction. McCauley,
Can you list for me all the girls that you
have met and brought to Jeffrey Epstein's house that were
under the age of eighteen? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
form and the foundation. Maxwell, I could only recall my
family members that were there, and I cannot make a
list of anyone else because that list it never happened

(35:42):
that I can think of. McCauley, I'm talking about the
time you were working for Jeffrey Epstein. Can you list
all the girls that you found for Jeffrey Epstein that
were under the age of eighteen to come work for
him in any capacity? Pagliuka objection to the form and
the Foundation. Maxwell, I didn't find the girls. McCauley, you
choose the word, Pagliuka. If you have the question, ask it.

(36:05):
You don't choose the word. McCauley. List all the girls
you met and brought to Jeffrey Epstein's home for the
purpose of employment that were under the age of eighteen.
Pagliuka objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I've
already characterized my job was to find people, adults, professional
people to do the jobs I listed before, pool person, secretary,

(36:27):
house person, chef, pilot, architect. McCauley, I'm asking about individuals
under the age of eighteen, not adult persons. People under
the age of eighteen. Maxwell, I look for people, or
tried to find people to fill professional jobs in professional situations. McCauley,
So Virginia was under the age of eighteen, correct, Maxwell.

(36:49):
I think we've established that Virginia was seventeen. McCauley, Is
she the sorry go ahead? Is she the only individual
that you met for the purposes of hiring someone for
Jeffrey that was under the age of eighteen? Mister Pagliuca
objection to Form and Foundation mischaracterizes her testimony. Maxwell. I
didn't hire people, McCauley, I said met Maxwell, I interviewed

(37:12):
people for jobs for professional things, and I am not
aware of anyone aside from now Virginia who clearly was
a massus aged seventeen. But that's at least that's how
far we know that I can think of that fulfilled
any professional capacity for Jeffrey. McCauley, List all the people
under the age of eighteen that you interacted with at

(37:33):
any of Jeffrey's properties. Maxwell, I am not aware of
anybody that I interacted with other than obviously Virginia, who
was seventeen at this point. Maxwell. Exhibit twenty one email
mark for identification. McCauley, I'm showing you what's been marked
is Maxwell twenty one. It's from an email dated January
twenty first, twenty fifteen, from Jeffrey to you. Is that

(37:55):
you can take a moment to take a look at it.
Is that a statement that Jeffrey Epstein wrote for you
to be issued to the press? Pagliuca objection to the
form and the foundation. Maxwell. The question was, McCauley, Is
this a statement that Jeffrey Epstein wrote for you to
be issued to the press. Pagliuca, same objection, Maxwell. Is

(38:18):
there any other emails that you have that surround this
that would allow me to know what? Does this have
a context? McCauley. These were produced by your counsel, so
to that extent that there are emails that surround this.
This is what we were given Maxwell, Okay, I don't
know whether he wrote this. Obviously, he wrote this and
sent it to me. I don't know if this is

(38:38):
a post a phone call we had. I can't recollect exactly. McCauley.
Do you know if this statement was issued to the press, Maxwell?
The only press statement that was issued is the one
that you have, McCauley. When the paragraph refers to you
being in a long term, committed a relationship with another man,
who is that other man? Pagliuka. You don't have to

(38:59):
answer that, McCauley. I'm asking the identity of a witness
in a statement she is giving. Pagliuka, she didn't give
the statement. McCauley. Jeffrey is writing to her. I'm asking
who is he referencing to a long term relationship. You're
going to refuse to let her answer the question, Pagliuca. Yes, McCauley,
I would like to state for the record he is

(39:19):
refusing to allow her to identify potential witnesses in this litigation.
So we will get back to that question later on. McCauley,
do you recall when you were traveling with Virginia Roberts
that you would be responsible for holding her passport. Pagliuka
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell I already testified.
I don't recall traveling with Virginia. McCauley. Do you recall

(39:43):
whether Jeffrey Epstein, when he was traveling with a minor,
someone under the age of eighteen, someone would hold their passport.
Mister Pagliuka object to the form. Maxwell. I couldn't testify
to what Jeffrey did or didn't do. McCauley. You never
observed him gathering a miner's passport and holding it during
one of the trips you were on. Maxwell, I don't

(40:04):
have recollection of that. McCauley. Are you familiar with a
company called Hyperion Air Incorporated? Maxwell? I am, McCauley. Is
that a company that you are affiliated with? Maxwell? No, McCauley.
Is that a company that Jeffrey owns? Maxwell? I knew
it back in two thousand and one, back when I
was working. I have no idea what that is today. McCauley.

(40:26):
What about je Ge? Are you familiar with that company
JEGE Incorporated? Maxwell? I don't recall it. McCauley, you don't
recall it, Maxwell, It vaguely rings a bell. I don't
remember what it relates to. McCauley. What about the Jeffrey
Epstein Virgin Islands Foundation Incorporated? Are you familiar with that company? Maxwell? No, McCauley.

(40:48):
How about Jay Epstein in Company Incorporated? Maxwell? Again, I
don't recall his business names and affiliations. McCauley. How about NESLLC?
Are you familiar with that name? Maxwell? Again? I think
that was one of his businesses, but I don't recall. McCauley.
Do you know what that business did? Maxwell? I don't, McCauley.

(41:10):
How about New York Strategy Group Incorporated? Maxwell, I don't. McCauley.
What about Glenn Maxwell Company? Are you familiar with that company? Maxwell?
I never heard of it. McCauley. Is that a company
you are on record of being either a board member
of or having a position of authority in? Mister Pagliuca
objection to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I've never

(41:33):
heard of that business. McCauley. What negative on flattering, private
or potentially embarrassing information? Does Jeffrey Epstein know about you?
Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
imagine none. McCauley does he know does he have any
knowledge of any illegal activity that you have conducted? Pagliuca

(41:53):
object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. If you
want to ask Jeffrey questions about me, you would have
to ask him. McCauley, have you ever been involved in
any illegal activity in your lifetime? Mister Paglayuka objection to
the form and the foundation. Maxwell. I can't think of
anything I have done that is illegal. McCauley, have you

(42:13):
ever been arrested? Maxwell? I have a DUI in the
UK a long time ago. McCauley. Is that the only
arrest you have on your record? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley, I
will mark as Maxwell twenty two This email. This is
dated January twenty first, twenty fifteen. It's from Jeffrey Epstein
to you, forwarding the Guardian, and I would like you

(42:34):
to look at the chain of emails so you understand
and have an appreciation for who is on this. It's
a three page document. The bottom of the email appears
to be a message from There is a at the
very bottom. There is a signature block for redacted, redacted
and redacted and above that there is a message from redacted.
Do you see that? Maxwell? Uh? Huh, McCauley, do you

(42:57):
know who redacted is? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley. Above
that there is a message from redacted and you. It says,
so this isn't getting better? Latest from our chums at
the Guardian. And above that will you see on January
twenty first an email from you where you wrote see
below and right above the chain you will see Jeffrey

(43:17):
Epstein to you on January twenty first, and his statement
to you is this will now end. But I think
a dismissive statement is okay? What did he mean by
his statement? This will now end? Mister Pagliuka objection to
the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have no idea, McCauley.
Did you discuss with them what he meant by that statement?

(43:39):
This will now end? Maxwell, I don't recall McCauley. Was
he taking action to ensure that that quote? This will
now end? Maxwell, I have no idea, McCauley, Maxwell. Exhibit
twenty three email marked for identification. This is an email
from If you look at the chain at the top,
you will see it's from you to jeff Free on

(44:00):
January twenty seventh, and the email at the bottom of
the chain is from Jeffrey to you on January twenty seventh.
He states, what happened to you and your statement question
mark question mark, and you put at the top I
have not decided what to do Maxwell. Uh huh. McCauley.
Why was Jeffrey interested in making a statement for you
to the press Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,

(44:24):
I don't know that he was interested. We made a statement,
and then I was being advised to make additional statements,
and I never did. McCauley. Was Jeffrey communicating with you
regularly on the additional statement you might make Pagliuka objection
to the form and the foundation? Maxwell? No, I've communicated
with him very little, as little as possible. McCauley. Why

(44:48):
did you feel that you had to keep him informed
of statements you were making to the press. Pagliuka objection
to the form and the foundation. Maxwell. I didn't feel
I had to. McCauley. Then, why were you communicating with
them about statements you were making in the press. Pagliuka
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, insofar as

(45:08):
this is the case. It's really all about Jeffrey. It's
not a case about me. All right, folks. We're gonna
wrap up right there, and in the next episode we'll
pick up where we left off. All of the information
that goes with this episode can be found in the
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back

(45:30):
into the Glain Maxwell deposition and pick up where we
left off. McCauley, what is your understanding of Jeffrey Epstein's
non prosecution agreement? Maxwell? I have no idea. McCauley. Do
you have an understanding of the co conspirators listed in
the non prosecution agreement? Pagliuca objection to the form and

(45:52):
the foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of his agreement,
whatever that is. McCauley, do you know you mentioned earlier
today that redacted was one of the listed co conspirators.
Do you know who the other co conspirators are in
the non prosecution agreement? Mister Pacliuka objection to the form

(46:12):
and the foundation. Maxwell, I do not know. McCauley. What
did Jeffrey Epstein tell you about the non prosecution agreement? Maxwell,
I don't think I've ever discussed it with them. McCauley,
how did you come to learn that redacted was covered
by the non prosecution agreement? Maxwell? I believe I read
it in the press. McCauley. Did you have any discussions

(46:33):
with redacted about the non prosecution agreement? Maxwell? I have
not had any discussions with redacted. McCauley. When is the
last time you spoke with redacted? Maxwell? Maybe two thousand
and five, two thousand and six, maybe, McCauley, and same
with redacted. When is the last time you recall speaking
with redacted? Maxwell? Probably even more time before that. Maybe

(46:57):
I've never had communications really with redacted. McCauley. I'm sorry
I didn't hear that, Maxwell, I never had communications with her. McCauley.
You were working for Jeffrey at the time, Blank was
also working for Jeffrey, isn't that correct? Maxwell? I didn't
know what redacted did for Jeffrey, so I didn't characterize
what her relationship or work or not was. And I

(47:21):
was still helping him with his construction projects and the like.
But I never crossed paths what redacted. McCauley, what did
you think redacted was doing? For Jeffrey. Maxwell, I have
no idea what redacted was doing for Jeffrey. McCauley, did
you observe redacted at any of Jeffrey's houses while you
were there? Maxwell, she was at the house on an occasion, McCauley.

(47:44):
What would she be doing there? Maxwell? I have no idea. McCauley,
did you know if she lived at his houses? Maxwell?
I have no idea. McCauley, did you ever go into
a bedroom and see her belongings at one of the houses? Maxwell?
Not that I can recall. Oh, McCauley, I'm going to
mark this as Maxwell Exhibit twenty four. Maxwell Exhibit twenty

(48:06):
four email mark for identification. McCauley. You can see at
the top of the first page, which is GM zero
zero one. It's dated January third, twenty fifteen, from you
to the redacted? Is that redacted who we refer to today? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley,
and can you tell me it says have some info?

(48:27):
Call me when you have a moment. What is redacted there? Maxwell?
I don't recall. I'm sorry, McCauley. Do you know why
there is a redaction on this document? Maxwell? You would
have to confer with my lawyers, McCauley, What did you
discuss in that call? Maxwell, I don't have any specific
knowledge of that call, McCauley. So the call is being

(48:47):
made on Saturday, January third, twenty fifteen. Pagliuca objection to
the Form and the Foundation, McCauley. The document states it's Saturday,
January third, twenty fifteen. You issued your press release on
January second, twenty fifteen. Were you discussing with redacted the
subject of Virginia Roberts during these calls? Mister Paklayuka objection

(49:10):
to the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I don't know
if I spoke to him. McCauley. I would like you
to turn to GM zero zero two at the bottom
chain and it says redacted Saturday January third to redacted,
and he says, let me know when we can talk.
Got some specific questions to ask you about Virginia Roberts.

(49:31):
Now redacted here is obviously Prince Andrew. Do you recall
having a conversation with redacted about Virginia Roberts in or
around early January in twenty fifteen, Maxwell, I don't know
if we actually spoke. McCauley. Did you ever speak to
redacted about Virginia Roberts after you issued your statement on

(49:52):
January second, twenty fifteen. Maxwell, I know that we did
speak at some point, but I don't recollect when we spoke, McCauley,
What did you talk about, Maxwell, just about what a
liar she is? McCauley. What did he say to you Maxwell,
what a liar she is? McCauley. Did he tell you
why he thought she was a liar? Maxwell? I don't

(50:13):
think he told me why she was a liar. The
substance of everything that she said was a lie with
regard to him, McCauley, What did you say to him, Maxwell,
she is a liar. McCauley, What was the whole conversation
it was? You said to him she is a liar,
and he said to you to say that she's a liar.
And did you discuss any of the details about what

(50:35):
those lies were? Maxwell? I don't recollect. McCauley. Was that
the only conversation that you had, Maxwell, I don't recollect.
I don't recollect actually the conversation, but other than that
in detail, other than that we both said that she
was a liar. McCauley. Do you regularly communicate with redacted.
Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, what

(50:59):
do you mean by regularly, McCauley. Do you email with
them once a month, once every two months, or text
them or call them Maxwell? No, we are not in
that type of regular touch McCauley. Do you travel with
them regularly? Maxwell? I don't know. I have traveled with them.
We have traveled together, but regularly is not the correct characterization. Maxwell,

(51:21):
do you travel with them more than once a year?
And remember, just to add, we're talking about Prince Andrew Maxwell.
There is no standard, there is no set pattern. The
answer to that was no, McCauley. Have you ever observed
them with any underage any women female under the age
of eighteen interacting that's not a child or a family friend,

(51:42):
interacting for the purpose of sexual relationship with that individual,
mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
I've never seen redacted interact in any way of that nature. McCauley.
Have you ever gone to dinner with them with any
individual under the age of eighteen that's not your family
member or a friend of yours, that is under the

(52:03):
age of eighteen, Mister Pagliuca objection to the form. Maxwell,
We've been to dinner all the time. I'm not too
sure who is at dinner with us. I can't testify
to that, McCauley. Has he ever brought a female under
the age of eighteen that's not a relative of his Maxwell,
he has children, McCauley, I said, not relatives. Maxwell, I

(52:24):
can't possibly testify to who comes to dinner with I
wouldn't recall McCauley to your knowledge, has he ever had
a relationship with any female under the age of eighteen
for purposes of romantic relationship? To your knowledge, Maxwell, I
can't testify to redacted's relationships. McCauley, you haven't observed that, Maxwell. No, McCauley.

(52:48):
Have you talked to redacted about coming to testify at
trial in his case? Maxwell? No, McCauley. What was the
last time you communicated with redacted? Maxwell? Ninety four ninety five. McCauley,
I believe earlier. Did you say that you When is
the last time you've been to his home? In redacted? Maxwell,
I said, you asked me if I stayed the night. McCauley,

(53:11):
I'm asking you a different question. When's the last time
you have been to his home in redacted? Maxwell roughly
the same time, in the middle of the nineties, sometime
mid nineties, McCauley. Not in the years two thousand to
two thousand and two. Maxwell, mid nineties. McCauley, have you
ever communicated with any representative of redacted? Mister Pagliuka objection

(53:34):
to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell, I mean I've
been to is in the mid nineties. I would have
communicated with people who work for him. McCauley, have you
communicated with redacted about this case? Maxwell? No, McCauley. Have
you ever seen a topless female at any one of
Jeffrey Epstein's properties? Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation.

(53:57):
You've asked this question, by the way, earlier on today. Maxwell, Again,
I testified that there are people from time to time
in the privacy of a swimming pool may have taken
a bikini top off or something, but it's not common,
and certainly when I was at the house, I don't
really recollect seeing that kind of activity. McCauley. Have you

(54:17):
ever smoked cigarettes? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley, have you ever smoked
cigarettes with Virginia Roberts Maxwell, I don't recall smoking cigarettes
with Virginia Roberts. McCauley, I'm marking this as Maxwell twenty five.
Maxwell Exhibit twenty five email marked for identification. McCauley, I'm
showing you what has been marked as Maxwell twenty five.

(54:40):
This is an email dated January eleventh, twenty fifteen. At
the top, do you see that from Jeffrey to you Maxwell?
Uh huh, McCauley. And then below there is an email
from redacted to you and ccing redacted on January eleventh,
twenty fifteen. Do you see that? Maxwell? Uh huh, McCauley.
It says, Dear Glaine, as you know, I have been

(55:02):
working behind the scenes, and this article comes from that.
It helps, but it doesn't answer the VR claims I
will get the criminal allegations out. This shows the MOS
will print truth, not just the VR voice peace. We
can only make the truth by making a statement. What
did you mean when he said I will get the
criminal allegations out? What was he referring to mister Pagliuka

(55:25):
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I have
no idea, McCauley, where there are criminal allegations about Virginia
that either your lawyer or redacted were leaking to the press.
Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation, Maxwell,
I have no idea. McCauley, did you ever ask him
what he meant when he said, I will get the

(55:46):
criminal allegations out, Maxwell, I don't recollect that conversation. McCauley,
did you ever direct them to leak to the press
criminal allegations about Virginia Roberts? Maxwell, I already testified that
I have no knowledge of what you are at asking me. McCauley,
were you copied on this email? Correct? Maxwell? I was McCauley.
Did Jeffrey Epstein assist in obtaining information about criminal allegations

(56:09):
relating to Virginia Roberts, Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form
and the Foundation, Maxwell, I have no recollection. McCauley. Did
redacted assist in obtaining information regarding criminal allegations of Virginia Roberts?
Mister Pagliuka objection to Form and Foundation. Maxwell, I have
no knowledge of that. McCauley. Did you ever discuss that

(56:33):
with redacted? Maxwell? Discuss what McCauley criminal allegations about Virginia Roberts. Maxwell,
I don't believe I have, McCauley, have you ever discussed
allegations relating to and midway through McCauley changes tactics. Do
you know if Jeffrey Epstein had any relationship with the
US government, either working for the CIA or the FBI

(56:55):
in his lifetime, Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
the fact foundation, Maxwell, I have no knowledge of that, McCauley.
Do you know if Jeffrey Epstein has any friends that
are in the CIA or the FBI? Pagliuka objection to
the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea. McCauley,

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are you aware of an investigation of Jeffrey Epstein in
the early eighties relating to the SEC. Mister Pagliuka objection
to the form and the foundation, Maxwell, I have no
knowledge of that, McCauley. Are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein
has told people that he worked for the government to
recover stolen funds? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and

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the foundation. Maxwell, I don't recall conversations about that. McCauley.
Has he ever told you that he worked for the
US government? Maxwell I don't recollect that. McCauley. You don't
recollect or he has never told you. Maxwell, I have
no knowledge. I don't recollect him telling me he worked
for the government. McCauley. Does Jeffrey Epstein have any affiliate

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with the Israeli government? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
and the foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of that, McCauley.
Do you know if he ever performed any work for
the Israeli government? Maxwell? I have no knowledge of that. McCauley.
Have you ever visited Israel with Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I'm sorry,

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I don't recollect. McCauley. You've seen the flight logs that
I provided you today. Are there during the time you
work for Jeffrey Epstein? Were there are times that you
flew on commercial flights rather than Jeffrey Epstein's planes? Maxwell, Yes, McCauley.
How often did that occur? Maxwell? Decently? McCauley. Were there

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are other flights that you recall flying on with Jeffrey
Epstein that were on flights that were redacted? Was not
the pilot? Maxwell? Redacted? Was not always the pilot? McCauley.
Were there are other flights that you recall flying on
with Jeffrey Epstein that were on flights that were redact?
Did was not the pilot? Maxwell? Redacted was not always

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the pilot McCauley. How many planes did Jeffrey Epstein have
during the time you were with them, mister Pagliuca objection
to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, So you need
to give me a date range, McCauley, during the time
period of nineteen ninety two through when you left your employment,
which I think you said was in two thousand and nine. Maxwell,
So in the nineties he had one plane, and at

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some point in the two thousands he had two planes.
But I can't testify to anything past two thousand and
two two thousand and three. What happened to his planes
after that? McCauley. Do you know what travel agency, if any,
Jeffrey would use when he would send someone, for example,
you or one of his other employees on a flight somewhere.
Did he use a particular travel agency to make those arrangements? Maxwell,

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I don't recall, McCauley, were you ever responsible for making
those arrangements for other individuals? Maxwell? I don't recall making
flight arrangements. McCauley was it a New York travel agent
that you would use for those arrangements. Maxwell, again, we
are talking sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years ago. I just don't
recall anything to do with travel agents. McCauley. Would Jeffrey

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Epstein ever fly, for example, redacted on a commercial flight
to meet you in New Mexico? Pagliuca objection to the
form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can't testify to that. McCauley.
Do you recall a trip where you met redacted in
New Mexico? Maxwell No, I don't recall any specific trip. No, McCauley.
Would you be sent to New Mexico? Is there a

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reason why you would go to New Mexico in the
course of your work when you were doing it for Epstein?
Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell.
I was never sent. I had a job to do
and would have to go to New Mexico for work. McCauley,
would redact it assist you in the project, mister Pagliuca,
objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell No. The

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project was largely complete, largely complete by the end. I
don't remember the dates exactly, but it was largely complete,
by the nineties or two thousands. McCauley, do you know
why redacted would be going to New Mexico to meet you,
mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation Maxwell.
I don't know she worked for Jeffrey. Mister Pagliuca. I

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think we are out of time, Council videographer. It's true, McCauley.
I will state for the record there were questions today
that remain unanswered because the witness has been instructed to
not answer those questions, and we will be raising our
objections with the court to be able to have those
questions answered in the near future. Pagliuca, So we are clear.
We are designating this entire deposition as confidential under the

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protective order. That would cover the paralegal who's been present,
as well as the court reporter and the videographer and
all the lawyers in the room. Videographer. This concludes today's proceedings.
We are off the record at six forty three pm.
All right, folks, Well that does it for the massive
Galain Maxwell deposition. So now we'll move on to the

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other core documents that have been dropping and we'll keep
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