November 29, 2025 • 26 mins
In the mid-2000s, Jeffrey Epstein faced mounting allegations in Palm Beach, Florida, that he had sexually abused dozens of underage girls under the guise of paying them for massages. The case began in 2005 when the parents of a 14-year-old girl reported him to local police, prompting a months-long investigation that uncovered a network of young girls—many recruited by other minors—who said they were coerced into sexual acts at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion. Police gathered statements, physical evidence, and corroborating accounts, ultimately identifying over 30 potential victims. The Palm Beach Police Department recommended multiple felony charges, including unlawful sexual activity with minors and lewd and lascivious acts.
Instead of proceeding to a state trial, the case was taken over by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, leading to the controversial 2007 non-prosecution agreement (NPA). Brokered behind closed doors, the NPA allowed Epstein to plead guilty in state court to two lesser prostitution-related charges—one involving a minor—in exchange for federal prosecutors agreeing not to pursue broader sex trafficking charges. He served 13 months in the Palm Beach County jail under a work-release program that let him leave six days a week. The deal also granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators,” effectively shielding alleged enablers from prosecution. This resolution, kept secret from victims in violation of the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, became a flashpoint for public outrage and later federal litigation when it was revealed just how sweeping and lenient the agreement had been.
In this episode, we see that corruption in action as we hear from one of Jeffrey Epstein's first accusers during a deposition given in 2008.
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Instead of proceeding to a state trial, the case was taken over by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, leading to the controversial 2007 non-prosecution agreement (NPA). Brokered behind closed doors, the NPA allowed Epstein to plead guilty in state court to two lesser prostitution-related charges—one involving a minor—in exchange for federal prosecutors agreeing not to pursue broader sex trafficking charges. He served 13 months in the Palm Beach County jail under a work-release program that let him leave six days a week. The deal also granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators,” effectively shielding alleged enablers from prosecution. This resolution, kept secret from victims in violation of the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, became a flashpoint for public outrage and later federal litigation when it was revealed just how sweeping and lenient the agreement had been.
In this episode, we see that corruption in action as we hear from one of Jeffrey Epstein's first accusers during a deposition given in 2008.
to contact me:
bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
source:
gov.uscourts.flsd.318730.1.0.pdf
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-epstein-chronicles--5003294/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. When Jeffrey Epstein was first arrested in two
thousand and eight down in Florida, the state called several
witnesses to give depositions about what Jeffrey Epstein allegedly did. Well.
In this episode, we're going to take a look at
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one of those depositions from one of the accusers from
that original case in two thousand and eight, and I
want you to pay close attention to the way that
they're deposing this young lady who is like fourteen or
fifteen years old. And of course this all plays into
the NPA argument and how Jeffrey Epstein ended up with
that sweetheart deal. So let's get to it. State of
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Florida versus Jeffrey Epstein. Deposition of redacted Wednesday, February twentieth,
two thousand and eight. And the person asking questions is
mister Michael Tyne. So when I say question, that's who
I'm talking about, and when I say answer, I mean
the witness who's being deposed. And if somebody else pipes in,
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I'll make sure to notate that so we can keep
track of who's talking. All right, so let's get to it.
Question good afternoon. Please tell me your full name? Answer redacted.
Question can you please spell it? Answer redacted? Question Thank you?
May I call you? Redacted? Answer? Uh huh? Question redacted.
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I'm going to ask you a few questions, several questions today.
If at any time you want to take a break,
you just let me know. Okay, answer okay. Question. If you,
at any time don't understand one of my questions, will
you just please let me know? Answer yes. Question. And
if at any time you're not feeling well or something
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like that, you'll tell us right answer yes. Question Do
you feel okay today? Answer yes? Question not taking an
alcohol or drugs or anything like that. Right answer no question.
So you feel ready to have your deposition taken? Answer yes?
Question redacted? What is your address? Answer? I'm currently living
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at my aunt's house and I don't know it off
the top of my head. Question where's it at? Answer
in Jupiter? Question who's your ant? Answer redacted? Question who
else is living there? Answer redacted? My uncle? Question anyone
else living there? Answer no question The contempt motion that
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your mother filed against your father regarding your fifty million
dollar lawsuit against Jeffrey Epstein says you live with your
aunt and uncle and have been living there? Is that?
Correct answer yes. Question how long have you been living
with your aunt and uncle? Answer since my father kicked
me out. Question that was Thanksgiving of this past year.
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Answer yes, sir. Question Okay, didn't your firefighter boyfriend redacted
get an apartment for the two of you? Answer no, sir,
he has an apartment, but by himself. Question did he
get an apartment for the two of you to live in?
Answer no, sir. Question are you planning to move in
with them? Answer maybe one day in the future. Question
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do you plan to move in with them presently? Answer no.
Question have you been to the apartment that you and
redacted discuss moving into? Answer I have been to the apartment?
Question where is that? Answer Palm Beach Lakes? Question have
you spent the night over there? Answer no, sir. Question
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do you know the addresser? Answer I do not. Question
isn't your sister redacted planning on living with you and
to redacted? Answer no? Question redacted? You know that this
court case is a criminal prosecution correct answer correct question,
And you know that it's a criminal prosecution against a
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man who has no criminal background. Do you know that? Answer?
I do now question, you agree that court is a
very serious matter. Answer yes question, and you're here with
your lawyer in mister Leopold right, answer yes question. And
you know that mister leopol recently filed a lawsuit in
federal court against Jeffrey Epstein seeking fifty million dollars. And
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to that, mister Leopold, the lawyer objects redacted. Let me
instruct you. Anything that you have learned through conversations between
you and me are protected. So if you know any
of the information outside of those discussions, you may answer.
But if the only way you know it is through
our discussions, do not answer that question. Mister Tyan once
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again asked you know that mister Leopold recently filed a
lawsuit in federal court on your behalf against Jeffrey Epstein
seeking fifty million dollars. Mister Leopold, same objection. If you
know the answer to the outside of our discussions, you
may answer. If it is the only way that you
know the answer is through our discussions, answer that question,
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the witness. Okay, mister Leopold. Attorney client privilege, Mister Tyne, question,
you can answer the question unless mister Leopold. Same objection.
Mister Tyne, let me finish, mister Leopold. Excuse me where
mister Tynan interrupts him. No, let me finish, mister Leopold, Lewis,
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We're not going to do that, mister Tyne, my name
is not Lewis. I'm going to finish my question. Okay,
mister Leopold. Do not answer until you hear from me.
Mister Tyne. Question, other than conversations that you've had with
mister Leopold, I'm not asking about that. Are you aware
that mister Leopold has filed the lawsuit in federal court
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seeking fifty million dollars from Jeffrey Epstein on your behalf?
Mister Leopold, same objection. Anything that you learn through conversations
between you and me, do not answer. Those are protected.
If you know through any other realm of knowledge, you
may answer the witness. No, mister Tyne, question, you have
no idea that mister Leopold filed a fifty million dollar
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lawsuit on your behalf against Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Leopold, same objection.
Do not answer that question if it's through discussions that
you and I had outside of that you may answer.
So do not answer the question if that is the
only basis by which you understand that answer the witness.
No question by mister Tyne. You didn't know that, mister Leopold.
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Don't answer that question again. It's attorney client privilege. Any
information that you've learned through conversations between you and I
are protected. If you know it through an other realm,
you may answer, mister Tyne. Are you going to say
that for every question in the deposition, mister Leopold. Mister Leopold,
when you ask him proper questions like that without the
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proper to that he's interrupted by mister Tyne. You're going
to stop speaking objections right now. Okay, mister Leopold without
the proper to again interrupted, mister Tyne. You need to
stop your speaking objections. Let's continue, mister Leopold. Counsel, you
just asked me a question and I'm going to state
it on the record. Mister Tyne, you need to stop
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your speaking objections. Check your rules. Mister Leopold, excuse me
for the record. Council ask me a question. I'll state
the answer on the record. He asked me the question,
and I'm going to be answering this way throughout the deposition.
So long as there is a proper foundation and predicate
asked by the attorney, I will protect my client and
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make the record where appropriate. If counsel wishes to ask
an appropriate worded question with a proper foundation and predicate,
I will certainly allow the client to answer the question.
Mister Goldberger, why don't you just state attorney client privilege
and just be done with it, mister Leopold, I want
the record to be clear. Mister Tyne. You want to
waste time, is what you want to do. You are
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supposed to be here this morning, and you totally broke
the deal, the agreement that you had with us if
your hearing got canceled. But let's move on and maybe
you'll stop obstructing this deposition. Mister Leopold, I think the
record is very clear where I stand thus far. Is
there a recording taken of this deposition? The court reporter, yes,
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mister Leopold. Just make sure that's preserved. Mister Tyne, question
go to Exhibit twenty dash zero one. Well, before you
do that, redacted, are you aware that a lawyer named
Jeffrey Herman filed a lawsuit on your behalf. Yes or no,
mister Leopold, objection any conversation that you and I have
had regarding that, If that is the only way by
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which you understand how to answer that question, do not answer.
It's attorney client privilege, as well as any conversations you
may have had with the attorney from Miami. This is
also attorney client privilege. And I'm assuming he's cut off
again by mister Tyne. You're actually wrong about that attorney
client privilege, mister Leopold. I'm assuming council is not asked
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you to divulge attorney client mister Tyne, of course not.
Mister Tyne, question redacted. Are you aware that Jeffrey Herman,
an attorney, filed a fifty million dollar lawsuit on your
behalf against Jeffrey Epstein. Yes or no, mister Leopold, same objection,
mister Tyne. We've heard the objection ten times already, mister Leopold.
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Counsel excuse me, mister Tyne, just say attorney client privilege.
Stop interrupting my questions, Mister Leopold. I'm entitled to make
an objection for the record, which I'm doing, and they'll
make the same objection, and if it calls for attorney
client privilege any conversation you and I have had, do
not answer the question. And I think that it might
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be appropriate for the record to ask questions via adacted
as opposed to or adacted. I think that it would
be more appropriate for this deposition. Mister Tyne. Question, go ahead,
please answer yes or no answer? Yes, question, thank you.
In fact, you know that mister Herman held a press
comfort diference after he filed the fifty million dollar lawsuit
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on your behalf. Don't you answer after it happened? Question?
You know that he had a press conference, don't you
yes or no answer? Yes question. In fact, let's go
to exhibit twenty dash zero one, mister Goldberger. Look behind you.
You'll see it. Mister Tyne. Question have you seen that
picture before? Answer yes? Question? Is that a picture of
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your father, your stepmother, and mister Herman at the press
conference regarding your lawsuit? Answer yes. Question. Now you know
that this is a very serious matter, don't you. Mister
Leopold asked an answered objection, mister Goldberger, all right, you
can object. You're representing a witness here, mister Leopold. You
can object on privileged grounds. You cannot make legal objections.
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You have no standing to do so, mister Leopold, I'm
going to make them, and then mister Goldberger cuts him off.
Where and to that Leopold cuts him off, We're going
to leave or we're going to take break because his
demeanor is not appropriate. There's no reason to have this
kind of demeanor. If you want to have this kind
of demeanor with me. Mister Tyne, you're obstructing this deposition.
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Mister Goldberger, Why don't you guys go outside and just
talk about cut off by Leopold again. She her job
is very difficult and she's not going to be able
to take us both talking at the same time. Mister Goldberger,
off the record, mister Leopold, we're not going off the record. Jack,
We're not Jack. Her job is very difficult. I'm going
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to make the record. I don't think it's appropriate, especially
in the small confines of this room, to be very
aggressive with this young lady. Mister Tyne, that's not happening. Stop. Stop.
Actually cut off by mister Leopold once again. If you're
going to interrupt me, we're going to cancel this deposition.
Mister Tyne, stop misrepresenting the court. Reporter. Yo, look, I
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need one out of time, no matter who it is,
mister Leopold. I think we're going to take a break.
Perhaps I want to talk to your co council. Cut
off again by mister Tyne. I don't need to talk
to him, mister Leopold. But we're going to take a break.
Mister Tyne. We're not taking a break unless the witness
needs a break. You're obstructing this deposition, ted, mister Leopold,
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Come on, redacted, you all want to continue in this demeanor.
Mister Tyne, you're obstructing this deposition. Stop making speeches. We're
not discussing this with you. The questions are to your client.
Go take a five minute break, mister Leopold. Fine, we
need to make sure the record's clear and clean, and
I want to make sure, as I've already asked you,
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I know that you're one of the best in town
that this audio this needs to be preserved. Okay, mister Tyne,
go take your five minute break. Mister Leopold. Now you
are supposed to be here at nine am. It's now
after two. Take your break and come back, mister Leopold. Okay,
if the demeanor keeps up, we will not be here
beyond those five minutes. Mister Tyne, take your break and
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come back, mister Leopold. Okay, so I suggest test that
you relax, mister Tyne. I suggest that you take your break,
mister Kolberger. Let them take that prime minute break, mister Leopold,
but I would suggest that you take a deep breath,
mister Tyne. Suggest whatever you want, just go take a break. Thereupon,
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a recess was taken. And as you can see, this
is a contentious ass deposition, and we're talking about a
little girl here. But this is the tactic that Jeffrey
Epstein's lawyers use time and time again, and the state
of Florida allowed it. So we're gonna wrap up episode
one right here, and in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up after their little recess
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and keep it rolling. All of the information that goes
with this episode can be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting write back to
that deposition from two thousand and eight given by one
of Epstein's accusers during the Florida, and last episode we
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left with them going on a recess, and now we're
picking up after that recess ends. And with that, mister
Tyne begins questioning Jane Doe once again. Question, do you
agree that giving testimony today at your deposition is something
very serious? Don't you answer yes? Question? And you respect
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the court? Don't you answer yes? Question? Let me show
you Exhibit thirty one dash zero zero one? Can you
read that out loud? Please answer? Okay, what do you want? Question?
Will you read that out loud? Please answer? Oh? Question?
Thank you? Answer? Lol? Ha, my bad? Lol. Yeah, I
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got some stupid court shit on the twentieth bullshit and
damn you still have court shit with him, like after
so long? Wow, I'm sorry. Well yeah, well we will
definitely have to make plans for sure because I miss
you tons times a million and no no no, I
love you O and ps I love your default pick
n word moah X and O. Question did you send
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that message last week to a friend of yours on MySpace? Answer?
I wouldn't know. There's no dates and I've deleted that MySpace.
So question we're going to talk about that in a second.
And what you're going to notice is the whole entire
point of attack here is about her MySpace and the
fact that she was being a teenager, and that's what
they used to get this whole entire sweetheart deal that
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Jeffrey Epstein ended up getting. And if you're not absolutely
enraged after listening to this deposition, I don't know what
will enrage you. Question did you send that message last week?
Answer right? Question Let me finish my question. Did you
send that message last week to a friend of yours
on MySpace? Answer? I wouldn't know the date, but obviously
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it's to a friend. Question did you send that message
to a friend of yours on MySpace? And answer sure? Yes.
Question were you referring to this deposition? Answer yes. Question
do you find the term N word offensive? Answer? That's
not anywhere in there? Question what word did you use
in there? Mister Leopold? Where are you referring to counsel?
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There's twenty plus words in there, mister Tyne. Don't make
a speaking objection the witness. Are you referring to anything,
mister Leopold? No, redacted. Don't don't let him ask you
that question, mister Tyne. Question, what question were you asking redacted,
mister Leopold. She doesn't ask questions. You ask the questions.
What's the question pending, mister Tyne. What's the last word
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on there in the text of your message before the
closing answer? N word but with an A at the end? Question?
Don't you find that term offensive? Answer? No, mister Leopold.
Can you spell it for the record, please? The witness
spells it, mister Tyne. No, no, no, You're not going
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to be asking questions, mister Leopold. I'm not asking questions.
I'm asking for the record for the word to be spelled,
because we don't have a video here today, mister Tyne.
These exhibits are part of the record you, mister Leopold, Well,
it's not marked as an exhibit. Mister Tyne. Quit interrupting me,
mister Leopold. I have marked and identified as an exhibit
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and you will get it. Mister Leopold. There has been
no identification of this document in the record, mister Tyne.
Mister Leopold, stop interrupting this deposition. Mister Leopold. What is
the exhibit number marked for identification, mister Tyne. Thirty one
dash zero zero one. Mister Leopold, do we have copies.
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Is it on record anywhere? Question? Let me ask you redacted?
Did you in fact write your friend this message about
this deposition? Answer? Yes. Question, So you wrote your friend
that this deposition is stupid courtship correct answer. Yes. Remember
we're talking about a little girl here. Remember when you
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were a kid, how would you feel about going to
sit for a damn deposition? You'd be flexing and talking
to your friends about it. Right, this is stupid, I
don't want to do it, YadA, YadA YadA. But Epstein's
attorneys were allowed to get away with it without the
state even stepping in. Question, So you wrote to your
friend that this deposition is stupid court shit? Correct answer yes.
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Question Because you think this deposition is stupid court shit?
Don't you answer no? Question? You wrote that to your friend.
Didn't you answer? Yes? Question? You think that court is stupid,
don't you answer? In some cases? Question? And you think
this deposition is bullshit? Don't you answer no? Question? You
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wrote that to your friend, didn't you? Mister Leopold objection
asked and answered, mister Tyne, that's not an objection, bye,
mister Tyne. Question you wrote that to your friend, didn't
you mister Leopold, objection asked and answered for the fourth time,
mister Tyne, you are improperly objecting, mister Leopold. You have
no grounds to object and that's not an objection, mister Leopold.
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It is an objection. Mister Tyne. Then terminate the deposition
if you think it's been asked and answered, mister Leopold, counsel,
I am not precluded from just making an objection to
the form of the question, as the courts well know,
and if you practice here in West Palm Beach, many
of the judges require you set the objection with specificity,
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and I will do that. And if you don't want
me to do that, you can make the record. But
I will do that, mister Tyne. Here's what we'll do,
ted you can. I will always allow you to reserve
an objection to form for every single one of my questions.
Otherwise all you're doing is obstructing mister Leopold. I won't
do that, mister Tyne, of course, because you want to
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obstruct mister Leopold. All right, question you think that giving
testimony today under oath is bullshit? Don't you answer no question?
And you wrote that your friend on MySpace last week?
Didn't you mister Leopold objection asked and answered the witness, No,
I did not, mister Tyne. Question you didn't write this exhibit. Answer?
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I wrote that, but I didn't write what you said.
Question you wrote in this exhibit? I got some stupid
court shit on the twentieth bullshit? Didn't you write that? Answer?
I wrote that, but I didn't write what you said.
Answer yes, question referring to this deposition. Didn't you answer
referring to the court. I was later informed that it
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was a deposition. Question. I'm going to ask you some
questions now about what happened when you went to Jeff
Epstein's house three years ago? Okay, answer uh. Question when
the police interviewed one month after you went to Epstein's house,
you swore on your mother's grave that you and Epstein
did not engage in sex of any kind? Answer yes,
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question didn't you tell that to the police? Answer yes,
and I will continue I have never had sex with him.
Question did what happened upstairs at Jeff Epstein's house take
you completely by surprise? Redacted? Answer yes. Question Now, the
civil complaint that you filed against mister Epstein for fifty
million dollars, alleged that you were totally shocked by what
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happened when you got there? Answer yes, Were you totally
shocked by what happened when you got to Epstein's house?
Answer yes, Question you didn't expect that at all? Did
you answer no? Question? You had absolutely no idea why
your friend redacted was taking you to Epstein's house. Right answer,
I was informed it was a massage. Question all you
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thought that it was going to be was a massage?
Correct answer yes. Question before you got to Epstein's house,
Redacted never said anything to you on the telephone about
sexual activity with Epstein? Did she? Answer no question? And
before you got to Ebstein's house, Redacted never sent you
a message over the internet about sexual activity with Epstein?
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Did she? Answer? No question? Did redacted ever try to
convince you to engage in any sexual activity with Epstein?
Answer no question. Did redacted ever try to convince you
to engage in any sexual activity with Epstein? Answer? I
don't know who redacted is? Question do you have a
friend redacted? Answer no question? Okay, Before you went to
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Epstein's house, did you call or email you to induce
you to engage in sexual activity with Epstein. Answer no question.
So you're sure that before you got to Ebstein's house,
no one tried to persuade you to engage in sexual
activity with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer no question. You're sure that,
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let me ask the question again. You're sure that before
you got to Ebstein's house, no one tried to persuade
you to engage in sexual activity with Epstein for money.
Mister Leopold, objection asked an answered the witness. No, I've
already answered that at bazillion times, mister Tyne. Question. He's
coaching you now, so I'm going to ask the question,
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mister Leopold. Counsel. I've made the objection for the record.
Mister Tyne. Stop speaking, mister Leopold. I'm not gonna stop speaking.
You can't interrupt me when I'm making the record. Mister Tyne,
you're coaching the witness, mister Leopold counsel, mister Tyne, stop
coaching the witness. Mister Tyne, let me ask you and
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to that. He's interrupted by mister Leopold. If you continue
to again, interrupted this time by mister Tyne, stop interrupting
my questions, mister Leopold, if you do it one more time,
we're leaving, mister Tyne, Mister Leopold, I'm going to make
the record. You cannot interrupt me when I'm making the
record out of professional conduct. You cannot do that. I'm
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entitled to make the record. I made an objection, asked
an answered. Demeanor is inappropriate. You're willing, and you are able,
and you are responsible to ask a question in a
professional manner and ask the question, and once you get
the answer, to either follow up on it or move on,
but not continuously browbeat and ask the same question over
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and over because you don't like the answer. Mister Tyne.
Calm down, sir, mister Leopold. Trust me, I'm very calm here.
When I'm not calm, you'll know it. I'm very calm,
So please continue on. But I will not allow you
to continue to harass her in the demeanor that you're doing.
Ask her a question and move on, mister Tyne. Are
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you done, mister Leopold? Thank you, I am mister Tyne.
Stop misrepresenting the record and calm down. I'm going to
ask my questions. Stop it question redacted to that. He's
interrupted again by mister Leopold. I think the record is
very clear. And to this, Jack Goldberger interjects, let me
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just clarify something. When you object to the form of
a question, you're not instructing the witness not to answer
the question, are you, mister Leopold. No, and I'm not
making that objection only on attorney client privilege. Mister Tyne,
Will you stop speaking now so I can ask my question?
Are you done? Okay, I'm going to ask my question.
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Question listen again interrupted by mister Leopold. Hold on, stop.
I've been doing this for twenty plus years, and I
have met a lot of attorneys, but I've never had
an experience like this where I've mister Tyne cuts them off.
Stop your speeches, mister Leopold. If you continue to do this,
whether it's with me or with my client, I will
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not put up with it, and I don't need to
put up with it, and it's not appropriate. And I'm
sure mister Goldberger knows all this, because I know that
he wouldn't do this, so I will not put up
with it. And I think it's highly inappropriate to do
this with a child sitting here. The way you're acting
primarily towards me and I will not put up with it.
Mister Tyne, Will you please stop your speech so I
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can ask my questions. Mister Leopold, so long as you
act professionally, I will do so, But if you continue
to do it this way, we will leave. Mister Tyne
suit yourself. Mister Tyne, are you sure that before you
got to Epstein's house no one tried to persuade you
to engage in sexual activity with Epstein for money? Mister
Leopold asked an answered objection, mister Tyne, did you get
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her answer? The court reporter, no, I did not, And
to this the witness pipes up. I'm sure all right.
We're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
we left off. All of the information that goes with
this episode can be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. When Jeffrey Epstein was first arrested in two
thousand and eight down in Florida, the state called several
witnesses to give depositions about what Jeffrey Epstein allegedly did. Well.
In this episode, we're going to take a look at
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one of those depositions from one of the accusers from
that original case in two thousand and eight, and I
want you to pay close attention to the way that
they're deposing this young lady who is like fourteen or
fifteen years old. And of course this all plays into
the NPA argument and how Jeffrey Epstein ended up with
that sweetheart deal. So let's get to it. State of
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Florida versus Jeffrey Epstein. Deposition of redacted Wednesday, February twentieth,
two thousand and eight. And the person asking questions is
mister Michael Tyne. So when I say question, that's who
I'm talking about, and when I say answer, I mean
the witness who's being deposed. And if somebody else pipes in,
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I'll make sure to notate that so we can keep
track of who's talking. All right, so let's get to it.
Question good afternoon. Please tell me your full name? Answer redacted.
Question can you please spell it? Answer redacted? Question Thank you?
May I call you? Redacted? Answer? Uh huh? Question redacted.
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I'm going to ask you a few questions, several questions today.
If at any time you want to take a break,
you just let me know. Okay, answer okay. Question. If you,
at any time don't understand one of my questions, will
you just please let me know? Answer yes. Question. And
if at any time you're not feeling well or something
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like that, you'll tell us right answer yes. Question Do
you feel okay today? Answer yes? Question not taking an
alcohol or drugs or anything like that. Right answer no question.
So you feel ready to have your deposition taken? Answer yes?
Question redacted? What is your address? Answer? I'm currently living
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at my aunt's house and I don't know it off
the top of my head. Question where's it at? Answer
in Jupiter? Question who's your ant? Answer redacted? Question who
else is living there? Answer redacted? My uncle? Question anyone
else living there? Answer no question The contempt motion that
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your mother filed against your father regarding your fifty million
dollar lawsuit against Jeffrey Epstein says you live with your
aunt and uncle and have been living there? Is that?
Correct answer yes. Question how long have you been living
with your aunt and uncle? Answer since my father kicked
me out. Question that was Thanksgiving of this past year.
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Answer yes, sir. Question Okay, didn't your firefighter boyfriend redacted
get an apartment for the two of you? Answer no, sir,
he has an apartment, but by himself. Question did he
get an apartment for the two of you to live in?
Answer no, sir. Question are you planning to move in
with them? Answer maybe one day in the future. Question
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do you plan to move in with them presently? Answer no.
Question have you been to the apartment that you and
redacted discuss moving into? Answer I have been to the apartment?
Question where is that? Answer Palm Beach Lakes? Question have
you spent the night over there? Answer no, sir. Question
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do you know the addresser? Answer I do not. Question
isn't your sister redacted planning on living with you and
to redacted? Answer no? Question redacted? You know that this
court case is a criminal prosecution correct answer correct question,
And you know that it's a criminal prosecution against a
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man who has no criminal background. Do you know that? Answer?
I do now question, you agree that court is a
very serious matter. Answer yes question, and you're here with
your lawyer in mister Leopold right, answer yes question. And
you know that mister leopol recently filed a lawsuit in
federal court against Jeffrey Epstein seeking fifty million dollars. And
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to that, mister Leopold, the lawyer objects redacted. Let me
instruct you. Anything that you have learned through conversations between
you and me are protected. So if you know any
of the information outside of those discussions, you may answer.
But if the only way you know it is through
our discussions, do not answer that question. Mister Tyan once
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again asked you know that mister Leopold recently filed a
lawsuit in federal court on your behalf against Jeffrey Epstein
seeking fifty million dollars. Mister Leopold, same objection. If you
know the answer to the outside of our discussions, you
may answer. If it is the only way that you
know the answer is through our discussions, answer that question,
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the witness. Okay, mister Leopold. Attorney client privilege, Mister Tyne, question,
you can answer the question unless mister Leopold. Same objection.
Mister Tyne, let me finish, mister Leopold. Excuse me where
mister Tynan interrupts him. No, let me finish, mister Leopold, Lewis,
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We're not going to do that, mister Tyne, my name
is not Lewis. I'm going to finish my question. Okay,
mister Leopold. Do not answer until you hear from me.
Mister Tyne. Question, other than conversations that you've had with
mister Leopold, I'm not asking about that. Are you aware
that mister Leopold has filed the lawsuit in federal court
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seeking fifty million dollars from Jeffrey Epstein on your behalf?
Mister Leopold, same objection. Anything that you learn through conversations
between you and me, do not answer. Those are protected.
If you know through any other realm of knowledge, you
may answer the witness. No, mister Tyne, question, you have
no idea that mister Leopold filed a fifty million dollar
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lawsuit on your behalf against Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Leopold, same objection.
Do not answer that question if it's through discussions that
you and I had outside of that you may answer.
So do not answer the question if that is the
only basis by which you understand that answer the witness.
No question by mister Tyne. You didn't know that, mister Leopold.
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Don't answer that question again. It's attorney client privilege. Any
information that you've learned through conversations between you and I
are protected. If you know it through an other realm,
you may answer, mister Tyne. Are you going to say
that for every question in the deposition, mister Leopold. Mister Leopold,
when you ask him proper questions like that without the
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proper to that he's interrupted by mister Tyne. You're going
to stop speaking objections right now. Okay, mister Leopold without
the proper to again interrupted, mister Tyne. You need to
stop your speaking objections. Let's continue, mister Leopold. Counsel, you
just asked me a question and I'm going to state
it on the record. Mister Tyne, you need to stop
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your speaking objections. Check your rules. Mister Leopold, excuse me
for the record. Council ask me a question. I'll state
the answer on the record. He asked me the question,
and I'm going to be answering this way throughout the deposition.
So long as there is a proper foundation and predicate
asked by the attorney, I will protect my client and
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make the record where appropriate. If counsel wishes to ask
an appropriate worded question with a proper foundation and predicate,
I will certainly allow the client to answer the question.
Mister Goldberger, why don't you just state attorney client privilege
and just be done with it, mister Leopold, I want
the record to be clear. Mister Tyne. You want to
waste time, is what you want to do. You are
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supposed to be here this morning, and you totally broke
the deal, the agreement that you had with us if
your hearing got canceled. But let's move on and maybe
you'll stop obstructing this deposition. Mister Leopold, I think the
record is very clear where I stand thus far. Is
there a recording taken of this deposition? The court reporter, yes,
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mister Leopold. Just make sure that's preserved. Mister Tyne, question
go to Exhibit twenty dash zero one. Well, before you
do that, redacted, are you aware that a lawyer named
Jeffrey Herman filed a lawsuit on your behalf. Yes or no,
mister Leopold, objection any conversation that you and I have
had regarding that, If that is the only way by
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which you understand how to answer that question, do not answer.
It's attorney client privilege, as well as any conversations you
may have had with the attorney from Miami. This is
also attorney client privilege. And I'm assuming he's cut off
again by mister Tyne. You're actually wrong about that attorney
client privilege, mister Leopold. I'm assuming council is not asked
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you to divulge attorney client mister Tyne, of course not.
Mister Tyne, question redacted. Are you aware that Jeffrey Herman,
an attorney, filed a fifty million dollar lawsuit on your
behalf against Jeffrey Epstein. Yes or no, mister Leopold, same objection,
mister Tyne. We've heard the objection ten times already, mister Leopold.
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Counsel excuse me, mister Tyne, just say attorney client privilege.
Stop interrupting my questions, Mister Leopold. I'm entitled to make
an objection for the record, which I'm doing, and they'll
make the same objection, and if it calls for attorney
client privilege any conversation you and I have had, do
not answer the question. And I think that it might
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be appropriate for the record to ask questions via adacted
as opposed to or adacted. I think that it would
be more appropriate for this deposition. Mister Tyne. Question, go ahead,
please answer yes or no answer? Yes, question, thank you.
In fact, you know that mister Herman held a press
comfort diference after he filed the fifty million dollar lawsuit
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on your behalf. Don't you answer after it happened? Question?
You know that he had a press conference, don't you
yes or no answer? Yes question. In fact, let's go
to exhibit twenty dash zero one, mister Goldberger. Look behind you.
You'll see it. Mister Tyne. Question have you seen that
picture before? Answer yes? Question? Is that a picture of
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your father, your stepmother, and mister Herman at the press
conference regarding your lawsuit? Answer yes. Question. Now you know
that this is a very serious matter, don't you. Mister
Leopold asked an answered objection, mister Goldberger, all right, you
can object. You're representing a witness here, mister Leopold. You
can object on privileged grounds. You cannot make legal objections.
(10:48):
You have no standing to do so, mister Leopold, I'm
going to make them, and then mister Goldberger cuts him off.
Where and to that Leopold cuts him off, We're going
to leave or we're going to take break because his
demeanor is not appropriate. There's no reason to have this
kind of demeanor. If you want to have this kind
of demeanor with me. Mister Tyne, you're obstructing this deposition.
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Mister Goldberger, Why don't you guys go outside and just
talk about cut off by Leopold again. She her job
is very difficult and she's not going to be able
to take us both talking at the same time. Mister Goldberger,
off the record, mister Leopold, we're not going off the record. Jack,
We're not Jack. Her job is very difficult. I'm going
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to make the record. I don't think it's appropriate, especially
in the small confines of this room, to be very
aggressive with this young lady. Mister Tyne, that's not happening. Stop. Stop.
Actually cut off by mister Leopold once again. If you're
going to interrupt me, we're going to cancel this deposition.
Mister Tyne, stop misrepresenting the court. Reporter. Yo, look, I
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need one out of time, no matter who it is,
mister Leopold. I think we're going to take a break.
Perhaps I want to talk to your co council. Cut
off again by mister Tyne. I don't need to talk
to him, mister Leopold. But we're going to take a break.
Mister Tyne. We're not taking a break unless the witness
needs a break. You're obstructing this deposition, ted, mister Leopold,
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Come on, redacted, you all want to continue in this demeanor.
Mister Tyne, you're obstructing this deposition. Stop making speeches. We're
not discussing this with you. The questions are to your client.
Go take a five minute break, mister Leopold. Fine, we
need to make sure the record's clear and clean, and
I want to make sure, as I've already asked you,
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I know that you're one of the best in town
that this audio this needs to be preserved. Okay, mister Tyne,
go take your five minute break. Mister Leopold. Now you
are supposed to be here at nine am. It's now
after two. Take your break and come back, mister Leopold. Okay,
if the demeanor keeps up, we will not be here
beyond those five minutes. Mister Tyne, take your break and
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come back, mister Leopold. Okay, so I suggest test that
you relax, mister Tyne. I suggest that you take your break,
mister Kolberger. Let them take that prime minute break, mister Leopold,
but I would suggest that you take a deep breath,
mister Tyne. Suggest whatever you want, just go take a break. Thereupon,
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a recess was taken. And as you can see, this
is a contentious ass deposition, and we're talking about a
little girl here. But this is the tactic that Jeffrey
Epstein's lawyers use time and time again, and the state
of Florida allowed it. So we're gonna wrap up episode
one right here, and in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up after their little recess
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and keep it rolling. All of the information that goes
with this episode can be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting write back to
that deposition from two thousand and eight given by one
of Epstein's accusers during the Florida, and last episode we
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left with them going on a recess, and now we're
picking up after that recess ends. And with that, mister
Tyne begins questioning Jane Doe once again. Question, do you
agree that giving testimony today at your deposition is something
very serious? Don't you answer yes? Question? And you respect
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the court? Don't you answer yes? Question? Let me show
you Exhibit thirty one dash zero zero one? Can you
read that out loud? Please answer? Okay, what do you want? Question?
Will you read that out loud? Please answer? Oh? Question?
Thank you? Answer? Lol? Ha, my bad? Lol. Yeah, I
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got some stupid court shit on the twentieth bullshit and
damn you still have court shit with him, like after
so long? Wow, I'm sorry. Well yeah, well we will
definitely have to make plans for sure because I miss
you tons times a million and no no no, I
love you O and ps I love your default pick
n word moah X and O. Question did you send
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that message last week to a friend of yours on MySpace? Answer?
I wouldn't know. There's no dates and I've deleted that MySpace.
So question we're going to talk about that in a second.
And what you're going to notice is the whole entire
point of attack here is about her MySpace and the
fact that she was being a teenager, and that's what
they used to get this whole entire sweetheart deal that
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Jeffrey Epstein ended up getting. And if you're not absolutely
enraged after listening to this deposition, I don't know what
will enrage you. Question did you send that message last week?
Answer right? Question Let me finish my question. Did you
send that message last week to a friend of yours
on MySpace? Answer? I wouldn't know the date, but obviously
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it's to a friend. Question did you send that message
to a friend of yours on MySpace? And answer sure? Yes.
Question were you referring to this deposition? Answer yes. Question
do you find the term N word offensive? Answer? That's
not anywhere in there? Question what word did you use
in there? Mister Leopold? Where are you referring to counsel?
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There's twenty plus words in there, mister Tyne. Don't make
a speaking objection the witness. Are you referring to anything,
mister Leopold? No, redacted. Don't don't let him ask you
that question, mister Tyne. Question, what question were you asking redacted,
mister Leopold. She doesn't ask questions. You ask the questions.
What's the question pending, mister Tyne. What's the last word
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on there in the text of your message before the
closing answer? N word but with an A at the end? Question?
Don't you find that term offensive? Answer? No, mister Leopold.
Can you spell it for the record, please? The witness
spells it, mister Tyne. No, no, no, You're not going
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to be asking questions, mister Leopold. I'm not asking questions.
I'm asking for the record for the word to be spelled,
because we don't have a video here today, mister Tyne.
These exhibits are part of the record you, mister Leopold, Well,
it's not marked as an exhibit. Mister Tyne. Quit interrupting me,
mister Leopold. I have marked and identified as an exhibit
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and you will get it. Mister Leopold. There has been
no identification of this document in the record, mister Tyne.
Mister Leopold, stop interrupting this deposition. Mister Leopold. What is
the exhibit number marked for identification, mister Tyne. Thirty one
dash zero zero one. Mister Leopold, do we have copies.
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Is it on record anywhere? Question? Let me ask you redacted?
Did you in fact write your friend this message about
this deposition? Answer? Yes. Question, So you wrote your friend
that this deposition is stupid courtship correct answer. Yes. Remember
we're talking about a little girl here. Remember when you
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were a kid, how would you feel about going to
sit for a damn deposition? You'd be flexing and talking
to your friends about it. Right, this is stupid, I
don't want to do it, YadA, YadA YadA. But Epstein's
attorneys were allowed to get away with it without the
state even stepping in. Question, So you wrote to your
friend that this deposition is stupid court shit? Correct answer yes.
(18:28):
Question Because you think this deposition is stupid court shit?
Don't you answer no? Question? You wrote that to your friend.
Didn't you answer? Yes? Question? You think that court is stupid,
don't you answer? In some cases? Question? And you think
this deposition is bullshit? Don't you answer no? Question? You
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wrote that to your friend, didn't you? Mister Leopold objection
asked and answered, mister Tyne, that's not an objection, bye,
mister Tyne. Question you wrote that to your friend, didn't
you mister Leopold, objection asked and answered for the fourth time,
mister Tyne, you are improperly objecting, mister Leopold. You have
no grounds to object and that's not an objection, mister Leopold.
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It is an objection. Mister Tyne. Then terminate the deposition
if you think it's been asked and answered, mister Leopold, counsel,
I am not precluded from just making an objection to
the form of the question, as the courts well know,
and if you practice here in West Palm Beach, many
of the judges require you set the objection with specificity,
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and I will do that. And if you don't want
me to do that, you can make the record. But
I will do that, mister Tyne. Here's what we'll do,
ted you can. I will always allow you to reserve
an objection to form for every single one of my questions.
Otherwise all you're doing is obstructing mister Leopold. I won't
do that, mister Tyne, of course, because you want to
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obstruct mister Leopold. All right, question you think that giving
testimony today under oath is bullshit? Don't you answer no question?
And you wrote that your friend on MySpace last week?
Didn't you mister Leopold objection asked and answered the witness, No,
I did not, mister Tyne. Question you didn't write this exhibit. Answer?
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I wrote that, but I didn't write what you said.
Question you wrote in this exhibit? I got some stupid
court shit on the twentieth bullshit? Didn't you write that? Answer?
I wrote that, but I didn't write what you said.
Answer yes, question referring to this deposition. Didn't you answer
referring to the court. I was later informed that it
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was a deposition. Question. I'm going to ask you some
questions now about what happened when you went to Jeff
Epstein's house three years ago? Okay, answer uh. Question when
the police interviewed one month after you went to Epstein's house,
you swore on your mother's grave that you and Epstein
did not engage in sex of any kind? Answer yes,
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question didn't you tell that to the police? Answer yes,
and I will continue I have never had sex with him.
Question did what happened upstairs at Jeff Epstein's house take
you completely by surprise? Redacted? Answer yes. Question Now, the
civil complaint that you filed against mister Epstein for fifty
million dollars, alleged that you were totally shocked by what
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happened when you got there? Answer yes, Were you totally
shocked by what happened when you got to Epstein's house?
Answer yes, Question you didn't expect that at all? Did
you answer no? Question? You had absolutely no idea why
your friend redacted was taking you to Epstein's house. Right answer,
I was informed it was a massage. Question all you
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thought that it was going to be was a massage?
Correct answer yes. Question before you got to Epstein's house,
Redacted never said anything to you on the telephone about
sexual activity with Epstein? Did she? Answer no question? And
before you got to Ebstein's house, Redacted never sent you
a message over the internet about sexual activity with Epstein?
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Did she? Answer? No question? Did redacted ever try to
convince you to engage in any sexual activity with Epstein?
Answer no question. Did redacted ever try to convince you
to engage in any sexual activity with Epstein? Answer? I
don't know who redacted is? Question do you have a
friend redacted? Answer no question? Okay, Before you went to
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Epstein's house, did you call or email you to induce
you to engage in sexual activity with Epstein. Answer no question.
So you're sure that before you got to Ebstein's house,
no one tried to persuade you to engage in sexual
activity with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer no question. You're sure that,
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let me ask the question again. You're sure that before
you got to Ebstein's house, no one tried to persuade
you to engage in sexual activity with Epstein for money.
Mister Leopold, objection asked an answered the witness. No, I've
already answered that at bazillion times, mister Tyne. Question. He's
coaching you now, so I'm going to ask the question,
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mister Leopold. Counsel. I've made the objection for the record.
Mister Tyne. Stop speaking, mister Leopold. I'm not gonna stop speaking.
You can't interrupt me when I'm making the record. Mister Tyne,
you're coaching the witness, mister Leopold counsel, mister Tyne, stop
coaching the witness. Mister Tyne, let me ask you and
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to that. He's interrupted by mister Leopold. If you continue
to again, interrupted this time by mister Tyne, stop interrupting
my questions, mister Leopold, if you do it one more time,
we're leaving, mister Tyne, Mister Leopold, I'm going to make
the record. You cannot interrupt me when I'm making the
record out of professional conduct. You cannot do that. I'm
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entitled to make the record. I made an objection, asked
an answered. Demeanor is inappropriate. You're willing, and you are able,
and you are responsible to ask a question in a
professional manner and ask the question, and once you get
the answer, to either follow up on it or move on,
but not continuously browbeat and ask the same question over
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and over because you don't like the answer. Mister Tyne.
Calm down, sir, mister Leopold. Trust me, I'm very calm here.
When I'm not calm, you'll know it. I'm very calm,
So please continue on. But I will not allow you
to continue to harass her in the demeanor that you're doing.
Ask her a question and move on, mister Tyne. Are
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you done, mister Leopold? Thank you, I am mister Tyne.
Stop misrepresenting the record and calm down. I'm going to
ask my questions. Stop it question redacted to that. He's
interrupted again by mister Leopold. I think the record is
very clear. And to this, Jack Goldberger interjects, let me
(25:00):
just clarify something. When you object to the form of
a question, you're not instructing the witness not to answer
the question, are you, mister Leopold. No, and I'm not
making that objection only on attorney client privilege. Mister Tyne,
Will you stop speaking now so I can ask my question?
Are you done? Okay, I'm going to ask my question.
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Question listen again interrupted by mister Leopold. Hold on, stop.
I've been doing this for twenty plus years, and I
have met a lot of attorneys, but I've never had
an experience like this where I've mister Tyne cuts them off.
Stop your speeches, mister Leopold. If you continue to do this,
whether it's with me or with my client, I will
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not put up with it, and I don't need to
put up with it, and it's not appropriate. And I'm
sure mister Goldberger knows all this, because I know that
he wouldn't do this, so I will not put up
with it. And I think it's highly inappropriate to do
this with a child sitting here. The way you're acting
primarily towards me and I will not put up with it.
Mister Tyne, Will you please stop your speech so I
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can ask my questions. Mister Leopold, so long as you
act professionally, I will do so, But if you continue
to do it this way, we will leave. Mister Tyne
suit yourself. Mister Tyne, are you sure that before you
got to Epstein's house no one tried to persuade you
to engage in sexual activity with Epstein for money? Mister
Leopold asked an answered objection, mister Tyne, did you get
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her answer? The court reporter, no, I did not, And
to this the witness pipes up. I'm sure all right.
We're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
we left off. All of the information that goes with
this episode can be found in the description box.
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