November 29, 2025 • 43 mins
In the mid-2000s, Jeffrey Epstein faced mounting allegations in Palm Beach, Florida, that he had sexually abused dozens of underage girls under the guise of paying them for massages. The case began in 2005 when the parents of a 14-year-old girl reported him to local police, prompting a months-long investigation that uncovered a network of young girls—many recruited by other minors—who said they were coerced into sexual acts at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion. Police gathered statements, physical evidence, and corroborating accounts, ultimately identifying over 30 potential victims. The Palm Beach Police Department recommended multiple felony charges, including unlawful sexual activity with minors and lewd and lascivious acts.
Instead of proceeding to a state trial, the case was taken over by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, leading to the controversial 2007 non-prosecution agreement (NPA). Brokered behind closed doors, the NPA allowed Epstein to plead guilty in state court to two lesser prostitution-related charges—one involving a minor—in exchange for federal prosecutors agreeing not to pursue broader sex trafficking charges. He served 13 months in the Palm Beach County jail under a work-release program that let him leave six days a week. The deal also granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators,” effectively shielding alleged enablers from prosecution. This resolution, kept secret from victims in violation of the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, became a flashpoint for public outrage and later federal litigation when it was revealed just how sweeping and lenient the agreement had been.
In this episode, we see that corruption in action as we hear from one of Jeffrey Epstein's first accusers during a deposition given in 2008.
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Instead of proceeding to a state trial, the case was taken over by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, leading to the controversial 2007 non-prosecution agreement (NPA). Brokered behind closed doors, the NPA allowed Epstein to plead guilty in state court to two lesser prostitution-related charges—one involving a minor—in exchange for federal prosecutors agreeing not to pursue broader sex trafficking charges. He served 13 months in the Palm Beach County jail under a work-release program that let him leave six days a week. The deal also granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators,” effectively shielding alleged enablers from prosecution. This resolution, kept secret from victims in violation of the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, became a flashpoint for public outrage and later federal litigation when it was revealed just how sweeping and lenient the agreement had been.
In this episode, we see that corruption in action as we hear from one of Jeffrey Epstein's first accusers during a deposition given in 2008.
to contact me:
bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
source:
gov.uscourts.flsd.318730.1.0.pdf
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-epstein-chronicles--5003294/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
back to the deposition given by Jane Doe down in
Florida in two thousand and eight, and once again, mister
Tyne is asking the questions and Jane Doe is doing
the answering. Question. Mister Tyne, let me ask you a
(00:20):
few questions about your contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, answer
witness nods, head up and down. Question. Jeff never emailed you,
diddy answer no question. Jeff never text messaged you. Did
he answer no question? Jeff never chatted in a chat
room with you? Did he answer no question? Before you
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got to Epstein's house, you had never spoken to Jeff.
Had you answer no question? And before you got to
Epstein's house, you had never met Jeff Answer correct question.
Before you got to Ebstein's house, you had never told
Jeff you were under eighteen right? Answer no question. Before
you got to Epstein's house, had you ever told Jeffrey
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that you were under eighteen? Answer no. I never spoke
to the man before that question. And you only went
to Jeff Epstein's house that one time three years ago,
correct answer yes. Question you never went there again? Correct
answer no question. All right, let me ask you two
final areas of questioning about this and we'll move on
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to something else. Okay, answer uh huh. Yes. Question before
you got to Epstein's, did anyone associated with Epstein ever
call you on the phone and try to persuade you,
induce you, entice you, or coerce you to engage in
any sexual activity? Answer no. Question Before you got to Epstein's,
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did anybody associated with Epstein ever contact you on the
internet and try to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce you
to engage in sexual activity? Answer no question or redacted?
Who told you that when you got to Jeff Epstein's
house you should lie to Jeff about your age? Answer redacted?
Question was it redacted? Or was it the other girl
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in the car who rode over with you to Epstein's house?
Answer redacted? Question Who was the other girl in the
car with you that day? Answer? I honestly don't know.
Question had you ever seen her before? Answer no, sir.
Question you told the police that you wrote over at
Epstein's You had no idea who she was? Right answer
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correct question you told the police that you didn't know
her name, but she was really dark, kind of like
a Spanish girl. Answer yes question, those were your words.
Right answer, yes question. Do you know who she is?
Answer no, sir question. So it was redacted who told
you to lie about your age to Jeff Epstein. Answer yes,
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sir question. And redacted told you that if you weren't eighteen,
Epstein wouldn't let you into his house. Right answer, that's
she stumbles a bit. Yes, yes question. All right, let's
talk for a minute about when you first met Jeff. Okay,
answer sure question. When you first met Jeff, he tried
to find out how old you were? Right answer, excuse me? Question,
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when you first met Jeff, he tried to find out
how old you were? Right answer not when we were
first introduced to each other, when we get upstairs. Then
yes question. During the massage, Jeff asked how old you
were a correct answer, yes question. Now, hadn't you already
told Jeff's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs, that
you went to college and had just moved down here
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from Ohio? Answer I never spoke to the lady. Question
do you want to rethink that? Answer to this mister,
Leopold objects. Is that a question, mister Tyne answers do
you want to rethink that? Answer? Answer? No, I didn't
really speak with her that much. Question do you want
to try to refresh your memory on that? Mister Leopold objects?
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Once again? Do you have something to refresh your memory with?
Mister Tyne? Do you want to stop making speak objections
mister Leopold. No, But to refresh someone's memory, you show
them a document, mister Tyne. I know how to do this,
mister Leopold. Then show her the document, mister Tyne, stop speaking,
mister Leopold. I'm not going to stop speaking. I'm going
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to continue to make the record. Mister Tyne. You're obstructing.
Please stop, mister Leopold. I'm not obstructing, But if you
want to refresh your recollection, you need to show her something.
That's not a proper question. I object to the foundation
and the predicate of that question, mister Tyne. Are you done,
mister Leopold? I am now, thank you, mister Tyne. Question,
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do you want to try to refresh your memory as
to whether you had that conversation with a woman who
walked you upstairs in Epstein's house in which you told
her that you went to college and just moved down
from Ohio. Mister Leopold objection, object to the form of
the question, lack of foundation and the predicate. Mister Tyne,
you can answer that question. Answer sure. Question is there
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anything that would refresh her memory that, in fact you
told mister Epstein's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs,
that you went to college and you had just moved
down here from Ohio. Answer I don't remember saying that.
I don't remember saying that myself. So question that would
be a lie right Answer No, I really don't remember.
Question So you told Jeff that you were eighteen years old?
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Correct answer yes. Question do you remember Detective Michelle Pagan
of the Police Department, Palm Beach Police Department. Answer yes,
Do you remember you spoke to her? Question? Answer yes.
Question do you remember that you told Detective Pagan that
when you lied about your age to Jeff, you said
it really fast because you didn't want to make it
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sound like you were lying. Answer I don't remember the
words exactly, but I do remember telling her that I
told him I was eighteen. Question and do you remember
telling Detective Pagan that when you lied to Epstein about
your age, that you said it really fast, so Epstein
wouldn't realize you were lying. Answer, No, I don't remember
saying the words exactly to her. I remember telling her
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that I told Epstein I was eighteen. Question does it
sound right that you really told Detective Pegan that you
said your age really fast to Epstein? And to this
the prosecutor finally interjects, Miss Bellahovlik objection asked an answered,
mister Tyne. Question, so you wouldn't think that you were lying,
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mister Leopold. Now objects objection asked an answered, fact of
foundation mischaracterization of her earlier testimony. She already answered that question,
mister Tyne. You can answer it, Mister Leopold, same objection.
It's been asked and answered. You can answer. I've made
the objection the witness. I forgot the question now, mister Tyne, question,
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let me put it again. Does it sound right to
you that you told Detective Pagan that you lied about
your age to Jeffrey Epstein? You said it really fast
because you didn't want to make it sound like you
were lying, mister Leopold. Objection, lack of foundation, asked, An answered,
answer the witness, I could have possibly said that, yes question.
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You didn't want mister Epstein to know that you were
lying about trade. Right answer, correct question. You didn't want
mister Epstein to know that you were not eighteen Right
answer correct question. You wanted mister Epstein to believe that
you were really eighteen Right answer correct question. Do you
remember when mister Epstein asked where you went to school?
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Answer yes question, and you told mister Epstein you went
to Wellington right answer, yes question. Was that the truth answer?
No question? In fact, you went to Royal Palm right answer,
yes question. So you lied to mister Epstein again, correct answer,
yes question. Is Wellington the college that you told Jeff's
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assistant that you were attending? Answer? I don't remember having
that conversation with her, so I wouldn't know if that's
what I said. Question. That was a lie, wasn't it.
Mister Leopold, objection to the form of the question. Lack
of foundation. You're making an assumption. She just answered you.
She can't tell you that, mister Tyne speaking objection and
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you all know that, mister Leopold. Mister Leopold, she can't
answer your question the way you phrase that question, you're
purposely making her not be honest in her testimony. She
can't answer a question like that. She doesn't remember, so
then you say so, you're lying. That's improper and you
know that that's not a proper question. And any attorney
that would do a witness or do a person that's
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sitting in this chair is not acting professionally. You can't
ask a question like that. You can do it, but
it's not proper and I'm sure you aren't trained that way,
certainly not ethically. Mister Tyne. Will you stop, mister Leopold,
I'm not going to stop because the way you're asking
that question is improper and you know it, mister Tyne.
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You're losing your cool, mister Tyne, question misredacted, mister leopl
Trust me, I'm very calm. When I lose my cool.
You'll know it, mister Tyne. I do know it. Again,
mister Tyne, asked a question, mister dacted. Mister Epstein never
asked you to do anything other than massage them correct
answer incorrect because he asked me to take off my
(09:16):
bra so that would be two things he's asked me
to do. Question other than asking you to take off
your bra. Mister Epstein never asked you to do anything
with them other than massage. Correct, mister Leopold objection foundation
predicate the witness. Correct, mister Tyne. Question you told the
police in your words that you did not whack them off?
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Right answer correct question? What does that mean? Answer whack
like whacking off? Question your term? What does that mean?
Answer of masturbating? Question? Mister Epstein never tried at any
time to grab your hand? Did he? Answer no question?
Mister Epstein never tried to put your hand anywhere? Did
he answer no question? At no time did you touch
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mister Epstein' penis? Did you answer no question? And he
did not touch you? Correct answer incorrect question, Well, you
told the police at no time did he touch me?
Were you lying to the police then? Answer no, Well
I wasn't being fully truthful, but I wasn't lying. Question
You told the police twice when you spoke to Michelle
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Pegan that at no time did he touch me? Didn't
you say that to the police? Answer yeah, question and
you're saying that was not fully truthful? Is that what
you're saying now? Answer correct question, and you're saying if
you're not fully truthful. That's not a lie. Correct answer.
You took that out of context, like really bad. I
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didn't mean that touching my legs. And he never kept
his hands to himself the entire time. That's what I'm
trying to say. Question you told the police at no
time did he touch me? You agree with that? Correct answer? No,
I don't agree with that, because he did touch me.
Question did you tell the police that he did not
touch you? Yes or no answer. It's a possibility, but
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I don't remember. Question Okay. And you did not have
any type of sex with Jeff correct answer, no question.
And you did not have any type of oral sex
with Jeff. Correct answer, no question, no type of intercourse
with Jeff. Correct answer, correct question. All right, let's talk
about what happened after the massage was over. All right, folks,
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we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next episode,
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
getting right back to Jane Doe two thousand and eight
and her deposition in Florida against Jeffrey Epstein, and we
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left off in the last episode with all right, let's
talk about what happened after the massage was over. Answer okay, question,
After the massage, you told Epstein that you wanted to
bring your twin sister back so you can make some money.
Correct answer, incorrect question. Your twin sister is redacted? Right
answer correct question. And you love your sister very much,
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don't you answer yes? Question? And when you left your house,
you were joking with the other girls, weren't you answer
incorrect question? Well, when Redacted and the other girl in
the car that day made their statements to police, they
told the police that you were joking afterward. Are you
saying that you were lying to the police about that? Answer? No,
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but a question or questions from redacted, Like she asked
me questions, But it wasn't joking. She was kind of
like in a happy way, like, oh, what did you do?
What did you do? Like those kinds of things, But
it wasn't joking about it at all. Question you joked
about it, didn't you answer? No? Question? You said to
redacted that if you did this every weekend, you'd be rich.
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Didn't you answer no, that's what redacted told me. Question
you didn't tell that to redacted? Mister Leopold objects objection
asked an answered answer no. Question. After you left Epstein's house,
you took the money and you went shopping with redacted
and the other girl in the car. Correct answer correct,
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I didn't spend any of the money. Question you went
to Marshals, didn't you? Answer? I went along, Yes, but
I didn't. Question you went shopping with them at Marshals,
didn't you, mister Leopold objection answer I guess you could
say that, mister Leopold objection lack of predicate and foundation
mischaracterization of earlier testimony, mister Tyne. Question and redacted bought
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a purse right answer, yes, question, and you were with
her the whole time at Marshall's correct answer yes. Question.
Now tell me about when the federal prosecutor has told
you about getting reimbursed. Answer, I have no idea what
you're talking about. Question Tell me about when the federal
prosecutor spoke to you about getting money you feel your
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entitled to from mister Epstein. Answer, I don't know what
you're talking about. Question do you know who Marie villafana
Is Answer no, sir. Question did you ever meet with
federal prosecutors? Answer? I think yeah, I think they were.
I think they were like FBI. Question uh huh did
you meet with federal prosecutors? Answer they came to my
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house one time? Yes. Question When did they come to
your house? Answer very long ago? Question was it this year?
Two thousand and eight? Answer it was not this year?
No question was it two thousand and seven? Answer I
have to say at least two years ago or a
year ago. Yeah, so it would be two thousand and seven,
two thousand and six, it was a while ago. Question
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How many federal prosecutors or FBI agents came to your house?
Answer I'm trying to remember. I want to say four
people came. Question did they give you their business cards? Answer?
If they did, I don't remember, and they weren't toward me.
Maybe my parents have them. I don't know. Question did
they give you your their cell phone numbers? Answer no?
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Question did you ever speak with them on their cell phones?
Answer no, sir. Question did they speak to your parents?
Answer that's something you'd have to ask my parents. Question
do you know whether they spoke to your parents? Answer no, sir,
question you have no idea? Answer no, sir. Mister Leopold
objection asked an answered question. So if I say the
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name to you Marie Vilafauna, you don't know who that is?
Answer no, sir. Question How many women and how many
men came to your house? Answer I want to say
two ladies and two guys. Question Did someone named Jeffrey
Slowman come to your house? Answer I don't know name? Sir.
Question Do you know who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir.
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Question do you know w Jeffrey Herman is? Answer yes,
question that's the lawyer who first sued ups on your
behalf right? Answer yes. Question has mister Herman advanced your
family any money? Mister Leopold, any conversations that you had
with mister Herman regarding that issue you are not to disclose.
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If you've learned in some other way or fashion, you
may answer the witness okay, I wouldn't know, mister Tyne.
Question you don't know Answer no, mister Leopold objection, Foundation
attorney client privilege question and you say you don't know
who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir. Question does a
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refresher recollection that he's the number two prosecutor at the
US Attorney's Office. Answer no, question that he's Marie Villafana's boss.
Answer no question. Does a refresher memory that he's the
ex partner of Jeff Herman, the first lawyer who sued
you sued mister Epstein on your behalf for fifty million dollars.
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Answer no, sir, I don't know who he is. Question
without telling me any conversations that you've had with your lawyers,
how is it that you selected mister Herman as your
lawyer from the eighty one thousand members of the Florida
Bar Answer I did not select them. Question who did?
Answer my father? Question did you ever meet mister Herman?
Answer once? Question, don't tell me what you discussed with them.
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Where did you meet him? Answer? I was shopping in
he showed up at my friend's house. Question whose house?
Answer my friend redacted? Question is that redacted from the
quarterdeck tavern? Answer yes? Question and did you have a
meeting with them at redacted's house? Answer yes, I guess
you could say that. Question who else was there? Answer
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my aunt redacted? Question and what was the meeting about?
Mister Leopold objection that calls for attorney client privilege. Question
what discussions did you have with mister Herman in the
presence of her redacted? Answer? None? Question what discussion did
you have in the presence of her aunt? Of my aunt?
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Mister Goldberger pipes in, it's the witness's aunt, mister Tyne. Question, oh,
of your aunt? Answer the only one that we've ever
discussed or ever had. Question and so you were in
a conversation with mister Herman and your aunt. Answer yes, sir, question,
and you discuss privileged matters during that conversation. Mister Leopold
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objects once again object to the form. I think you
might have to educate her on the question. Mister Tyne,
you discussed the lawsuit? Answer yes. Question did you tell
redacted about any conversations that you had with mister Herman? Answer?
As far as I'm concerned, she's never spoken or she's
never had a conversation. She only opened the door and
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then left. She's the one who answered the door. Question
why did the meeting take place at redacted's house? Answer?
I spent the night that night at her house. Question
and when was this? Answer a while ago? Question? How
long ago? Answer? A month and a half ago. I'm
guessing question a month and a half ago? Answer? Uh huh. Question,
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So was it before or after mister Hermann filed the
fifty million dollar lawsuit against mister Epstein? Answer after question
did you meet with an FBI agent named Nesbit Kirkandall
a woman? Answer I don't know. Question did miss Kirkandall
speak to you about getting reimbursed from mister Epstein? Answer?
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I never had a discussion with anyone about getting reimbursed
from mister Epstein? Question? Have you met with an agent
named Jason Richards? Answer not to my knowledge? Question how
about an agent named Tim Slater? Answer no, sir, question
how about an agent named Junior Ortiz? Answer no question.
And we've learned that many of the girls, some of
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whom are as old as twenty three, were told by
the government that they would get money at the end
of the criminal prosecution. Does that sound familiar to you?
Answer no, sir. Question Other than mister Leopold here, I'm
not asking about mister Herman either. Answer uh huh. Question
did anyone ever discuss with you that you could get
reimbursement for your damages? Answer no, sir. Question did you
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or any member to that. He's interrupted, mister Leopold, are
you referring to a criminal matter or a civil matter?
Mister Tyne? Question did you or any member again interrupted
by Leopold. Excuse me, let me object to the form
of the question. Mister Tyne, did you or any member
of your family ever get victims notification letters from anyone? Answer?
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I no longer live at that residence and I wouldn't know. Question.
So your testimony is that you have never received a
victim notification letter. Correct question. And your testimony is that
you don't know if your parents have ever received a
victim notification letter? Correct answer. Correct question. Have you given
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evidence to prosecutors or law enforcement in the case? Answer?
What do you mean by evidence? Question? Well, anything that
you can touch or feel. Answer no, Mister Leopold, objection
to the form of the question. Mister Tyne, So you
haven't given anything physical? Answer no, question any item to
the prosecutor, police officer, or law enforcement agent. Correct answer
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my cell phone four years ago or three years ago.
But that's it. Question you gave your cell phone to whom?
Answer Michelle Pagan? Question did she keep it? Answer? Ask her?
Question you gave it to her and then you didn't
get it back at the end of the meeting. Answer no,
they yeah, No they have it. I'm guessing I don't
have it. Question how much money are you hoping to
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get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold objection to the
form of the question Attorney client privilege. Mister Tyne, how
much money are you hoping to get you yourself hoping
to get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold, same objection,
attorney client privilege. Don't answer the question. Question I'm not
asking asking about what your lawyer told you, mister Leopold.
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I'm instructing her not to answer the question because of
those conversations involve her counsel. Mister Tyne, certify that mister Leopold,
please question now redacted. You lied to get out of
this deposition, didn't you answer? No, sir, question You didn't
want to come to court today and tell the story
that you told to the police under oath, did you,
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Mister Leopold object to the form of the question lack
of foundation and predicate the witness. No, I have no
problem coming here and talking to you, mister Tyne, and
to avoid getting served with a lawful subpoena. You lied
about your name, didn't you answer? No? Question? And in fact,
just lying yourself wasn't enough, was it, mister Leopold. Objection
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to the form of the question. Don't answer it. It's
not a question. Object to the form of the question,
lack of foundation. Mister Tyne. Are you instructing her not
to answer? Mister Leopold, I am, mister Tyne. Certify it,
mister Leopold. Please. Question you asked your coworkers, Mister Leopold.
It's vague and ambiguous, mister Tyne. Question you asked your
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coworkers at the Quarterdeck tavern to lie to you? Didn't
you answer? No? I inform my boss about what was
going on, and he told me that he would help
in any way that he can. Question. Okay, you got
your friend redacted to lie by switching name tags with you.
Correct answer, incorrect. It was a coincidence. At the same night,
she was not wearing her name tag. She was wearing mine.
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But I was also not wearing I was wearing my
name tag. Everyone switches name tags, it just happens. It
was a coincidence. At that same night the people came
with the papers. Mister Tyne, Will you put up Exhibit
eighteen dash zero zero one, mister Goldberger, and mark eighteen
zero zero one for identification purposes to this deposition, Mister Leopold,
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none of them have been marked yet. Can we mark
them and put them as attachments to the deposition? Because
I think you've shown three photos now and this is
the only one that has been marked for identification yet.
Hold on just a second, just so the record is clear,
mister Tyne, I am not speaking to you, mister Leopold. Okay,
then don't speak to me then, but I'll speak to
mister Goldberger perhaps, but at least for the record, can
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we put on the record that the previous two photographs
were marked for identification? Mister Goldberger will make sure that
the record is clear at the end of the deposition
so that there's no ambiguity. Mister Leopold, Thank you. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next
episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
we left off. All of the information that goes with
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this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode. We're going to get right back to two
thousand and eight. Jane Doe and the deposition in Florida,
and the questions are being asked by mister Tyne. Jane
Doe is the one answering the questions. Question, I've put
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a photograph marked eighteen dash zero zero one up on
the screen. Do you see that? Answer? Yep. Question who
is that in the photo? Answer redacted on the left
of me on the right question redacted, right answer, yes
question redacted your friend at the quarterdeck tavern, right answer, yes,
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question redacted your friend who you say? The day that
the process servers went to serve you with a subpoena
for this deposition just happened, just by coincidence, was wearing
your name tag answer yes, sir, question and just by
coincidence you were wearing her name tag. Correct answer, yes. Question.
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You're a testimony under oath? Is that that's just a coincidence?
Right answer, total honesty. Question. It just happens to be
the day that you were going to be served with
a subpoena. Correct answer. That wasn't the first day that
to this Mister Leopold objects once again, just answer the question.
It calls for a yes or no the witness. Yes,
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mister Tyne, question, you said that wasn't the first day
you were going to be You thought you were being
served with a subpoena. Correct answer, correct question. You knew
before that day that you switched name tags with redacted,
that the process servers were looking for you, didn't you answer? No?
I knew to that. She's cut off by mister Leopold.
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Just answer it. It calls for a yes or no
the witness. Okay, no, mister Tyne. Question. Now you can
explain the answer that your counsel will stop you from explaining. Answer. Okay,
I work at Quarterdeck and people were telling me that
people were looking for me. So yes, I was aware
that people were searching for me, but I had no
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idea who they were or what their intentions were. But
I thought they were just people I didn't want to
talk to. So I just didn't want to talk to them.
And every time they'd come to work, I wasn't there.
And it so happens the night that they came, me
and my friend switch name tags. No big deal. Question.
That's a lie, isn't it, mister Leopold objection, Don't answer
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that question. That's harassment, and I will not allow it.
He could ask the question and will allow a jerry
to make that determination, but not counsel. I will not
allow her to answer that question. Mister Tyne, certify it, Leopold,
I'll certify it. Mister Tyne. Stop making speaking objections, Leopold,
I'm not. I'm not going to put up with it
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because it's inappropriate, Jack, and you know it. I will
not allow counsel to breid a witness, whether it's in
a criminal case or a civil case, whether my client
or to that. He's once again interrupted by mister Tyne.
Calm down, mister Leopold, excuse me, No, I'm not going
to allow it. That is not proper. Mister Goldberger. Okay,
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mister Leopold. If he wants to say that she's lying
after asking it five times and are explaining in great
dal tell, he can do that, but I'm not going
to allow her to answer nor be arassed by him.
It's improper. Mister Goldberger. Okay, but your response that council
doesn't like the question or it doesn't like the answer,
just let me finish, mister Leopold. Absolutely, I wasn't going
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to interrupt you, Mister Goldberger, just requires us to say
we like the answer to that question. And it's not
you or I or you and mister Tyne who are
testifying here, it's the witness, mister Leopold. Fine, but after
the sixth time of asking the same question and then
coming back and pointing a finger at her and saying
you're a liar, mister Tyne, that didn't happen, mister Leopold.
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That's fine, But I'm not going to allow her to
answer that question because she's answered the same question and
has explained it. Now. Counsel might be sitting there rubbing
his head with a migraine. That's his problem. But if
he can't ask a question appropriately in a professional manner,
we will leave. I will not allow her to be
berated like that, mister Goldberger. Actually, we're very happy with
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the answer, mister Leopold. That's great, mister Goldberger. Do you
want us to get into that, mister Tyne, Ted Leopold,
this is really big stuff that you're going through. But
that's fine. Just ask your question and move on, but
do it one time. If you don't understand it, I'll
let you follow up, but I'm not going to allow
you to ask the same question time and time again
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and then call her a liar. Just ask the question,
get the answer, and move to the next subject matter.
Mister Tyne, I'm sitting right across the table from you, Leopold. Yes, sir,
mister Tyne, please be quiet and don't yell, mister Leopold.
I will not be quiet, mister Tyne. Stop yelling, mister Leopold. Lewis.
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When I'm yelling, you'll know it. I will not, mister
Tyne interrupts him. My name is not Lewis, mister Leopold.
I thought your first name was Lewis. Mister Tyne. Mister Tyne,
you watch me for three days at the Evidentiary hearing,
where you sat in the back of the courtroom. You
should know who I am. Mister Leopold. Well, that's the
impression you must have made in the court room. I
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will not be quiet, mister Tyne. That's obnoxious. Stop being obnoxious.
It's stupid. Let's go ahead with the questioning, mister Leopold.
I will make the record, mister Tyne. Let's get on
with the questions. Mister Leopold, do you need a break? Thereupon,
a recess was taken mister Tyne after the recess, asking
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the questions again. Okay, redacted, after you told your manager
at the quarter Deck tavern everything that was going on,
and he told you he would help you in any
way he could. He hid you in the kitchen from
the process servers. Correct answer, incorrect question. Isn't it true
that lying to avoid service is a meaningless lie to you? Redacted? Answer?
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Incorrect question? What is your manager's name? Answer? I have three?
Would you like to know? All? Question? Who's the one
who lied for you? Answer redacted? Question? And what it
redacted do to lie for you? Sir said, I wasn't there? Question?
And Tuditi tel wasn't there? Answer? Ask him question where
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were you when redacted told this someone that you were
not at the Quarterdeck tavern? Answer eating Nacho's question at
the Quarterdeck tavern? Answer yes. Question what did you do
so that redacted would lie to the process servers for you? Answer? Nothing?
Question you just got him to lie for you, didn't you? Answer? No,
I had no influence on him, saying I wasn't there? Question?
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He took that upon himself. Isn't it true that mister
Epstein's process servers had to ask the police to get
you out of the restaurant so they could serve you.
And to that Leopold objects objection, lack of foundation and predicate.
Mister Tyne. Question. You can answer the question, mister Leopold,
if you know, don't guess the witness, No, you can.
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Can you repeat the question, mister Tyne, don't coach, mister Leopold.
Don't guess, mister Tyne, that's coaching, mister Leopold. No, that's
an instruction to the client. Mister Tyne, No, you don't
do that, witness. Can you repeat the question, mister Leopold.
Let me just state for the record, mister Tyne. Question,
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once the police, isn't it true that mister Epstein's process
servers had to ask the police to get you out
of the restaurant so they could serve you. Answer incorrect.
My boss called the police. Question and once the police
showed up to stop you from lying to avoid service,
you made another lie that the process servers had to
ask you. Isn't that correct? Answer? Incorrect? Question you why
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all the time, don't you mister Leopold objection the witness incorrect?
Mister Tyne. Question, you have a MySpace page don't you?
Answer no longer? Do I have a MySpace page? I
deleted it? Question when did you delete your MySpace page?
Answer a couple of days ago? Question who told you
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to take your MySpace page down? A couple of days ago?
Answer nobody. I'm sick and tired of MySpace. Question you
all of a sudden got sick and tired of MySpace
Just a few days before this deposition, you decided to
delete your MySpace page. Correct answer correct. Question is that
your testimony under oath? Answer yes. Question did you take
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your MySpace page down because you thought the government might subpoena?
Answer incorrect. Question hadn't your MySpace page been up for
over three months before you took it down? Answer correct?
But I also made tons of MySpace over the last years.
I just get tired of them and delete them because
drama and make new ones. Question we're going to talk
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about that. So you deleted your MySpace page after you
were already under subpoena for this deposition correct answer. Correct
question What about the MySpace page? Didn't you want us
to see redacted? Answer nothing? Question, Well, we're going to
come back to MySpace in a second. Answer you do
that I'm going to ask you some questions about why
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you lie about your age so often. Okay, mister Leopold,
objection to the form argumentative, mister Tyne. Question you lie
about your age all the time, don't you? Mister Leopold
objection argumentative the witness incorrect, mister Tyne. Question, you lie
about your age to get body piercings. Don't you answer? Incorrect? Question?
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You have body piercings? Don't you answer? Yes? Question? You
have four body piercings. Isn't that right? Answer? Five? Question?
Other than the piercings on your ears, I'm not talking
about that answer. Oh then no, just one question? And
where's that one body piercing? Answer? Belly question? When did
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you get that answer? For my birthday with my stepmother
and my father? Question? And when was that answer? When
I was fourteen? Question? Okay, so you have the body
piercing when you met Epstein? Correct answer? It might have
been or maybe that yeah, either my fourteenth birthday or
fifteenth birthday, I honestly don't remember. Question. Now you've lied
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about your age to get into bars by using the
driver license? That aren't yours? Correct answer? Incorrect question? Are
you swearing? Under oath that you've never done that. Answer, Yes,
I swear under oath. Question, and you've lied about your
age to buy beer? Correct answer? Incorrect question. You're swearing
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under oath that you've never lied to stores about your age. Answer,
I've never lied to a store about my age or anything.
Question you try to look much older than you are.
Don't you answer incorrect? Can you imagine that's the question
he's asking this girl? You try to look older than
you are? Oh? Yeah, because that justifies what Epstein did. Right,
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piece of shit? Question? And you lied about your age
on your MySpace pages? Don't you answer incorrect? Question? All right,
let's look at exhibit twenty dash zero one, Miss Bellohovlik,
who's one of the prosecutors. Twenty six dash zero zero one,
mister Tyne, Yes, question. On this page, you lie to
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everyone that you were eighteen. Didn't you answer? Correct? Question?
Let's go to exhibit thirty three, Miss Bellohovlick, that's thirty
three dash zero zero one, tyn correct, mister Tyne. On
this page you lie to everyone that you were nineteen.
Didn't you answer incorrect? Mister Leopold, just answer the question,
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the witness, Oh, incorrect? Mister Tyne. Question, now you can
explain your answer. Answer. I know that I have seen
all of these, and I know that this one is mine.
Can you go down, mister Leopold, Just for the record,
you're appointing to the photo the witness I'm pointing to.
Mister Tyne cuts her off. You're appointing to the one
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where it says your age is eighteen? Answer correct question,
that's yours, right answer correct. That's my from a couple
of years ago that I have not been on because
I don't use that. Please keep going down, please, And
I think that's it, because there is no one just
that one is mine. Question. So the one you pointed
to where it says your age is eighteen, that yours
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correct answer? Correct question. When you wrote eighteen as your
age on your MySpace page, was it a lie? Answer?
Correct question? Did you lie about your MySpace page back
then because you couldn't post on MySpace unless you were eighteen?
Answer correct. There was a rule many years ago that
you had to be eighteen to have a MySpace question,
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so you lied about your age so you could post
on MySpace. Right answer, right question. Let's get back to
the top of the page. Thirty three to oh one.
Are you testifying now under oath that this MySpace page
where the headline says twins do have More Fun and
the location is given as Locks abbreviation for Locks of
Hatchie and the age is nineteen and it says redact.
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Is it your testimony that you did not post that? Answer? Correct? Question. Now,
let's go back to the one where you were appointing
to before on this page where it says your age
is eighteen, and you lied about your age to post
on MySpace? Okay? Answer yes? Question all right? Why did
you finally put your true age on MySpace profile four
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days before you were scheduled to testify before the grand jury? Answer?
I don't know what you're talking about, mister Leopold. If
you don't understand, asked to have the question asked again,
mister Tyne, don't coach the witness. I don't know which
MySpace you're talking about, mister Tyne. Question the MySpace page
that you just pointed to where it says you were eighteen.
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Answer yes, question and you were lying about your age?
Right answer? Uh huh? Question Why did you finally post
your true age on your MySpace profile? Answer question four
days before you were scheduled to testify before the grand jury. Answer,
I honestly don't know which MySpace because I've had like
a bazillion myspaces in that year. I had two, that
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one and another one, and that one's been deleted. I
don't know which one you're referring to. Question do you
remember that you change your age on your MySpace page
from eighteen to your true age just four days before
you went and testified in the grand jury? Answer? No question,
you don't remember that. Answer No question. Do you remember
detective Rocari? Did you ever meet a Detective Roccari? Answer?
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I don't know the name. Question how many different detectives
have you met with this case from Palm Beach? Answer
probably a good six or seven maybe. Question did one
of the detectives tell you before you testified in the
grand jury that you should take your MySpace page and
put your true age? Answer? No question. Didn't Detective Riccari
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have to come to your house to pick you up
to get you to testify in front of the grand jury? Answer?
Possibly maybe? Because I didn't have a ride. I was
only fourteen or fifteen at the time. Question your mom
didn't drive you? Answer? No question. Stepmom didn't drive you? Answer?
I think my dad, Oh, my dad, my dad drove me.
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Question your dad drove you? Answer yes, sir question, So
your testimonious detective Riccari did not drive you? Correct, mister
Leopold objection asked and answered the witness. No, I'm pretty
sure my dad drove me because he was there with me.
Mister tyne. Question, did any detective tell you to change
your age on your MySpace page to put your true age?
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Answer no, sir question. Now you also lied on your
MySpace page about your income. Didn't you answer yes? Question?
And you lied saying you made a quarter million dollars
a year and hire correct answer as a joke? Yes? Question?
That was a lie, wasn't it? Answer yes question? And
you also lied on your MySpace page saying that you
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were married. Didn't you answer possibly? And that might have
been an error on my part? Question? Now you also
lie to the police. Don't you answer no question? While
you lied to the police in your tape recorded statement
that you gave Detective Michelle Pegan three years ago, didn't
you answer to my knowledge? No, I did not question
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while you lied to the police. When you accuse mister
Epstein of attempting to murder your father? Didn't you answer no,
I never heard a statement saying that mister Epstein tried
to murder my father. Question you made that statement, didn't you,
mister Leopold. Do you have a statement to show her
that's been asked? An answered mister Tyne. I'm sorry I
didn't hear the witnesses answer, mister Leopold. Mister Tyne. Question
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you told the police, didn't you that mister Epstein almost
killed your father? Answer? No. Question three years ago, before
mister Epstein even knew about this investigation. You told the
police that Epstein had already come to my dad's house
and did something to my dad tires, and my dad
almost died. I didn't want my dad to get hurt
because jeff had already almost killed him. Didn't you say that?
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Answer Not to my knowledge or recollection, I have never
said anything like that. Question. That would have been a
complete lie, wouldn't it have been? Answer? Yeah, all right,
So that's gonna do it for the Jane Doe two
thousand and eight Florida deposition that was given against Jeffrey Epstein,
And that just gives you a little bit of an
idea of how adversarial this stuff was for these girls
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that brought these allegations against Epstein, especially down in Florida.
There was a lot going on there, and the way
that Jeffrey Epstein conducted himself needs to be talked about because,
in my opinion, the whole process surrounding it was corrupt.
So when you go back and you look at all
the testimony and you look at these depositions, it's obvious
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to anyone that they have the goods on Epstein and
they chose to give them that homie hookup instead. And
what's funny is we're seeing history repeat itself in real
time as Glenn Maxwell gets the same kind of treatment. So,
like usual, we'll continue swimming through all this mook looking
for the clarity to keep bringing you the truth that
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they want to keep buried. All of the information that
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
back to the deposition given by Jane Doe down in
Florida in two thousand and eight, and once again, mister
Tyne is asking the questions and Jane Doe is doing
the answering. Question. Mister Tyne, let me ask you a
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few questions about your contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay, answer
witness nods, head up and down. Question. Jeff never emailed you,
diddy answer no question. Jeff never text messaged you. Did
he answer no question? Jeff never chatted in a chat
room with you? Did he answer no question? Before you
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got to Epstein's house, you had never spoken to Jeff.
Had you answer no question? And before you got to
Epstein's house, you had never met Jeff Answer correct question.
Before you got to Ebstein's house, you had never told
Jeff you were under eighteen right? Answer no question. Before
you got to Epstein's house, had you ever told Jeffrey
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that you were under eighteen? Answer no. I never spoke
to the man before that question. And you only went
to Jeff Epstein's house that one time three years ago,
correct answer yes. Question you never went there again? Correct
answer no question. All right, let me ask you two
final areas of questioning about this and we'll move on
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to something else. Okay, answer uh huh. Yes. Question before
you got to Epstein's, did anyone associated with Epstein ever
call you on the phone and try to persuade you,
induce you, entice you, or coerce you to engage in
any sexual activity? Answer no. Question Before you got to Epstein's,
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did anybody associated with Epstein ever contact you on the
internet and try to persuade, induce, entice, or coerce you
to engage in sexual activity? Answer no question or redacted?
Who told you that when you got to Jeff Epstein's
house you should lie to Jeff about your age? Answer redacted?
Question was it redacted? Or was it the other girl
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in the car who rode over with you to Epstein's house?
Answer redacted? Question Who was the other girl in the
car with you that day? Answer? I honestly don't know.
Question had you ever seen her before? Answer no, sir.
Question you told the police that you wrote over at
Epstein's You had no idea who she was? Right answer
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correct question you told the police that you didn't know
her name, but she was really dark, kind of like
a Spanish girl. Answer yes question, those were your words.
Right answer, yes question. Do you know who she is?
Answer no, sir question. So it was redacted who told
you to lie about your age to Jeff Epstein. Answer yes,
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sir question. And redacted told you that if you weren't eighteen,
Epstein wouldn't let you into his house. Right answer, that's
she stumbles a bit. Yes, yes question. All right, let's
talk for a minute about when you first met Jeff. Okay,
answer sure question. When you first met Jeff, he tried
to find out how old you were? Right answer, excuse me? Question,
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when you first met Jeff, he tried to find out
how old you were? Right answer not when we were
first introduced to each other, when we get upstairs. Then
yes question. During the massage, Jeff asked how old you
were a correct answer, yes question. Now, hadn't you already
told Jeff's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs, that
you went to college and had just moved down here
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from Ohio? Answer I never spoke to the lady. Question
do you want to rethink that? Answer to this mister,
Leopold objects. Is that a question, mister Tyne answers do
you want to rethink that? Answer? Answer? No, I didn't
really speak with her that much. Question do you want
to try to refresh your memory on that? Mister Leopold objects?
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Once again? Do you have something to refresh your memory with?
Mister Tyne? Do you want to stop making speak objections
mister Leopold. No, But to refresh someone's memory, you show
them a document, mister Tyne. I know how to do this,
mister Leopold. Then show her the document, mister Tyne, stop speaking,
mister Leopold. I'm not going to stop speaking. I'm going
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to continue to make the record. Mister Tyne. You're obstructing.
Please stop, mister Leopold. I'm not obstructing, But if you
want to refresh your recollection, you need to show her something.
That's not a proper question. I object to the foundation
and the predicate of that question, mister Tyne. Are you done,
mister Leopold? I am now, thank you, mister Tyne. Question,
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do you want to try to refresh your memory as
to whether you had that conversation with a woman who
walked you upstairs in Epstein's house in which you told
her that you went to college and just moved down
from Ohio. Mister Leopold objection, object to the form of
the question, lack of foundation and the predicate. Mister Tyne,
you can answer that question. Answer sure. Question is there
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anything that would refresh her memory that, in fact you
told mister Epstein's assistant, the one who walked you upstairs,
that you went to college and you had just moved
down here from Ohio. Answer I don't remember saying that.
I don't remember saying that myself. So question that would
be a lie right Answer No, I really don't remember.
Question So you told Jeff that you were eighteen years old?
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Correct answer yes. Question do you remember Detective Michelle Pagan
of the Police Department, Palm Beach Police Department. Answer yes,
Do you remember you spoke to her? Question? Answer yes.
Question do you remember that you told Detective Pagan that
when you lied about your age to Jeff, you said
it really fast because you didn't want to make it
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sound like you were lying. Answer I don't remember the
words exactly, but I do remember telling her that I
told him I was eighteen. Question and do you remember
telling Detective Pagan that when you lied to Epstein about
your age, that you said it really fast, so Epstein
wouldn't realize you were lying. Answer, No, I don't remember
saying the words exactly to her. I remember telling her
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that I told Epstein I was eighteen. Question does it
sound right that you really told Detective Pegan that you
said your age really fast to Epstein? And to this
the prosecutor finally interjects, Miss Bellahovlik objection asked an answered,
mister Tyne. Question, so you wouldn't think that you were lying,
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mister Leopold. Now objects objection asked an answered, fact of
foundation mischaracterization of her earlier testimony. She already answered that question,
mister Tyne. You can answer it, Mister Leopold, same objection.
It's been asked and answered. You can answer. I've made
the objection the witness. I forgot the question now, mister Tyne, question,
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let me put it again. Does it sound right to
you that you told Detective Pagan that you lied about
your age to Jeffrey Epstein? You said it really fast
because you didn't want to make it sound like you
were lying, mister Leopold. Objection, lack of foundation, asked, An answered,
answer the witness, I could have possibly said that, yes question.
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You didn't want mister Epstein to know that you were
lying about trade. Right answer, correct question. You didn't want
mister Epstein to know that you were not eighteen Right
answer correct question. You wanted mister Epstein to believe that
you were really eighteen Right answer correct question. Do you
remember when mister Epstein asked where you went to school?
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Answer yes question, and you told mister Epstein you went
to Wellington right answer, yes question. Was that the truth answer?
No question? In fact, you went to Royal Palm right answer,
yes question. So you lied to mister Epstein again, correct answer,
yes question. Is Wellington the college that you told Jeff's
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assistant that you were attending? Answer? I don't remember having
that conversation with her, so I wouldn't know if that's
what I said. Question. That was a lie, wasn't it.
Mister Leopold, objection to the form of the question. Lack
of foundation. You're making an assumption. She just answered you.
She can't tell you that, mister Tyne speaking objection and
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you all know that, mister Leopold. Mister Leopold, she can't
answer your question the way you phrase that question, you're
purposely making her not be honest in her testimony. She
can't answer a question like that. She doesn't remember, so
then you say so, you're lying. That's improper and you
know that that's not a proper question. And any attorney
that would do a witness or do a person that's
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sitting in this chair is not acting professionally. You can't
ask a question like that. You can do it, but
it's not proper and I'm sure you aren't trained that way,
certainly not ethically. Mister Tyne. Will you stop, mister Leopold,
I'm not going to stop because the way you're asking
that question is improper and you know it, mister Tyne.
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You're losing your cool, mister Tyne, question misredacted, mister leopl
Trust me, I'm very calm. When I lose my cool.
You'll know it, mister Tyne. I do know it. Again,
mister Tyne, asked a question, mister dacted. Mister Epstein never
asked you to do anything other than massage them correct
answer incorrect because he asked me to take off my
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bra so that would be two things he's asked me
to do. Question other than asking you to take off
your bra. Mister Epstein never asked you to do anything
with them other than massage. Correct, mister Leopold objection foundation
predicate the witness. Correct, mister Tyne. Question you told the
police in your words that you did not whack them off?
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Right answer correct question? What does that mean? Answer whack
like whacking off? Question your term? What does that mean?
Answer of masturbating? Question? Mister Epstein never tried at any
time to grab your hand? Did he? Answer no question?
Mister Epstein never tried to put your hand anywhere? Did
he answer no question? At no time did you touch
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mister Epstein' penis? Did you answer no question? And he
did not touch you? Correct answer incorrect question, Well, you
told the police at no time did he touch me?
Were you lying to the police then? Answer no, Well
I wasn't being fully truthful, but I wasn't lying. Question
You told the police twice when you spoke to Michelle
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Pegan that at no time did he touch me? Didn't
you say that to the police? Answer yeah, question and
you're saying that was not fully truthful? Is that what
you're saying now? Answer correct question, and you're saying if
you're not fully truthful. That's not a lie. Correct answer.
You took that out of context, like really bad. I
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didn't mean that touching my legs. And he never kept
his hands to himself the entire time. That's what I'm
trying to say. Question you told the police at no
time did he touch me? You agree with that? Correct answer? No,
I don't agree with that, because he did touch me.
Question did you tell the police that he did not
touch you? Yes or no answer. It's a possibility, but
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I don't remember. Question Okay. And you did not have
any type of sex with Jeff correct answer, no question.
And you did not have any type of oral sex
with Jeff. Correct answer, no question, no type of intercourse
with Jeff. Correct answer, correct question. All right, let's talk
about what happened after the massage was over. All right, folks,
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we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next episode,
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
getting right back to Jane Doe two thousand and eight
and her deposition in Florida against Jeffrey Epstein, and we
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left off in the last episode with all right, let's
talk about what happened after the massage was over. Answer okay, question,
After the massage, you told Epstein that you wanted to
bring your twin sister back so you can make some money.
Correct answer, incorrect question. Your twin sister is redacted? Right
answer correct question. And you love your sister very much,
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don't you answer yes? Question? And when you left your house,
you were joking with the other girls, weren't you answer
incorrect question? Well, when Redacted and the other girl in
the car that day made their statements to police, they
told the police that you were joking afterward. Are you
saying that you were lying to the police about that? Answer? No,
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but a question or questions from redacted, Like she asked
me questions, But it wasn't joking. She was kind of
like in a happy way, like, oh, what did you do?
What did you do? Like those kinds of things, But
it wasn't joking about it at all. Question you joked
about it, didn't you answer? No? Question? You said to
redacted that if you did this every weekend, you'd be rich.
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Didn't you answer no, that's what redacted told me. Question
you didn't tell that to redacted? Mister Leopold objects objection
asked an answered answer no. Question. After you left Epstein's house,
you took the money and you went shopping with redacted
and the other girl in the car. Correct answer correct,
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I didn't spend any of the money. Question you went
to Marshals, didn't you? Answer? I went along, Yes, but
I didn't. Question you went shopping with them at Marshals,
didn't you, mister Leopold objection answer I guess you could
say that, mister Leopold objection lack of predicate and foundation
mischaracterization of earlier testimony, mister Tyne. Question and redacted bought
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a purse right answer, yes, question, and you were with
her the whole time at Marshall's correct answer yes. Question.
Now tell me about when the federal prosecutor has told
you about getting reimbursed. Answer, I have no idea what
you're talking about. Question Tell me about when the federal
prosecutor spoke to you about getting money you feel your
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entitled to from mister Epstein. Answer, I don't know what
you're talking about. Question do you know who Marie villafana
Is Answer no, sir. Question did you ever meet with
federal prosecutors? Answer? I think yeah, I think they were.
I think they were like FBI. Question uh huh did
you meet with federal prosecutors? Answer they came to my
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house one time? Yes. Question When did they come to
your house? Answer very long ago? Question was it this year?
Two thousand and eight? Answer it was not this year?
No question was it two thousand and seven? Answer I
have to say at least two years ago or a
year ago. Yeah, so it would be two thousand and seven,
two thousand and six, it was a while ago. Question
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How many federal prosecutors or FBI agents came to your house?
Answer I'm trying to remember. I want to say four
people came. Question did they give you their business cards? Answer?
If they did, I don't remember, and they weren't toward me.
Maybe my parents have them. I don't know. Question did
they give you your their cell phone numbers? Answer no?
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Question did you ever speak with them on their cell phones?
Answer no, sir. Question did they speak to your parents?
Answer that's something you'd have to ask my parents. Question
do you know whether they spoke to your parents? Answer no, sir,
question you have no idea? Answer no, sir. Mister Leopold
objection asked an answered question. So if I say the
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name to you Marie Vilafauna, you don't know who that is?
Answer no, sir. Question How many women and how many
men came to your house? Answer I want to say
two ladies and two guys. Question Did someone named Jeffrey
Slowman come to your house? Answer I don't know name? Sir.
Question Do you know who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir.
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Question do you know w Jeffrey Herman is? Answer yes,
question that's the lawyer who first sued ups on your
behalf right? Answer yes. Question has mister Herman advanced your
family any money? Mister Leopold, any conversations that you had
with mister Herman regarding that issue you are not to disclose.
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If you've learned in some other way or fashion, you
may answer the witness okay, I wouldn't know, mister Tyne.
Question you don't know Answer no, mister Leopold objection, Foundation
attorney client privilege question and you say you don't know
who Jeffrey Sloman is? Answer no, sir. Question does a
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refresher recollection that he's the number two prosecutor at the
US Attorney's Office. Answer no, question that he's Marie Villafana's boss.
Answer no question. Does a refresher memory that he's the
ex partner of Jeff Herman, the first lawyer who sued
you sued mister Epstein on your behalf for fifty million dollars.
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Answer no, sir, I don't know who he is. Question
without telling me any conversations that you've had with your lawyers,
how is it that you selected mister Herman as your
lawyer from the eighty one thousand members of the Florida
Bar Answer I did not select them. Question who did?
Answer my father? Question did you ever meet mister Herman?
Answer once? Question, don't tell me what you discussed with them.
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Where did you meet him? Answer? I was shopping in
he showed up at my friend's house. Question whose house?
Answer my friend redacted? Question is that redacted from the
quarterdeck tavern? Answer yes? Question and did you have a
meeting with them at redacted's house? Answer yes, I guess
you could say that. Question who else was there? Answer
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my aunt redacted? Question and what was the meeting about?
Mister Leopold objection that calls for attorney client privilege. Question
what discussions did you have with mister Herman in the
presence of her redacted? Answer? None? Question what discussion did
you have in the presence of her aunt? Of my aunt?
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Mister Goldberger pipes in, it's the witness's aunt, mister Tyne. Question, oh,
of your aunt? Answer the only one that we've ever
discussed or ever had. Question and so you were in
a conversation with mister Herman and your aunt. Answer yes, sir, question,
and you discuss privileged matters during that conversation. Mister Leopold
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objects once again object to the form. I think you
might have to educate her on the question. Mister Tyne,
you discussed the lawsuit? Answer yes. Question did you tell
redacted about any conversations that you had with mister Herman? Answer?
As far as I'm concerned, she's never spoken or she's
never had a conversation. She only opened the door and
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then left. She's the one who answered the door. Question
why did the meeting take place at redacted's house? Answer?
I spent the night that night at her house. Question
and when was this? Answer a while ago? Question? How
long ago? Answer? A month and a half ago. I'm
guessing question a month and a half ago? Answer? Uh huh. Question,
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So was it before or after mister Hermann filed the
fifty million dollar lawsuit against mister Epstein? Answer after question
did you meet with an FBI agent named Nesbit Kirkandall
a woman? Answer I don't know. Question did miss Kirkandall
speak to you about getting reimbursed from mister Epstein? Answer?
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I never had a discussion with anyone about getting reimbursed
from mister Epstein? Question? Have you met with an agent
named Jason Richards? Answer not to my knowledge? Question how
about an agent named Tim Slater? Answer no, sir, question
how about an agent named Junior Ortiz? Answer no question.
And we've learned that many of the girls, some of
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whom are as old as twenty three, were told by
the government that they would get money at the end
of the criminal prosecution. Does that sound familiar to you?
Answer no, sir. Question Other than mister Leopold here, I'm
not asking about mister Herman either. Answer uh huh. Question
did anyone ever discuss with you that you could get
reimbursement for your damages? Answer no, sir. Question did you
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or any member to that. He's interrupted, mister Leopold, are
you referring to a criminal matter or a civil matter?
Mister Tyne? Question did you or any member again interrupted
by Leopold. Excuse me, let me object to the form
of the question. Mister Tyne, did you or any member
of your family ever get victims notification letters from anyone? Answer?
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I no longer live at that residence and I wouldn't know. Question.
So your testimony is that you have never received a
victim notification letter. Correct question. And your testimony is that
you don't know if your parents have ever received a
victim notification letter? Correct answer. Correct question. Have you given
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evidence to prosecutors or law enforcement in the case? Answer?
What do you mean by evidence? Question? Well, anything that
you can touch or feel. Answer no, Mister Leopold, objection
to the form of the question. Mister Tyne, So you
haven't given anything physical? Answer no, question any item to
the prosecutor, police officer, or law enforcement agent. Correct answer
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my cell phone four years ago or three years ago.
But that's it. Question you gave your cell phone to whom?
Answer Michelle Pagan? Question did she keep it? Answer? Ask her?
Question you gave it to her and then you didn't
get it back at the end of the meeting. Answer no,
they yeah, No they have it. I'm guessing I don't
have it. Question how much money are you hoping to
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get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold objection to the
form of the question Attorney client privilege. Mister Tyne, how
much money are you hoping to get you yourself hoping
to get out of mister Epstein. Mister Leopold, same objection,
attorney client privilege. Don't answer the question. Question I'm not
asking asking about what your lawyer told you, mister Leopold.
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I'm instructing her not to answer the question because of
those conversations involve her counsel. Mister Tyne, certify that mister Leopold,
please question now redacted. You lied to get out of
this deposition, didn't you answer? No, sir, question You didn't
want to come to court today and tell the story
that you told to the police under oath, did you,
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Mister Leopold object to the form of the question lack
of foundation and predicate the witness. No, I have no
problem coming here and talking to you, mister Tyne, and
to avoid getting served with a lawful subpoena. You lied
about your name, didn't you answer? No? Question? And in fact,
just lying yourself wasn't enough, was it, mister Leopold. Objection
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to the form of the question. Don't answer it. It's
not a question. Object to the form of the question,
lack of foundation. Mister Tyne. Are you instructing her not
to answer? Mister Leopold, I am, mister Tyne. Certify it,
mister Leopold. Please. Question you asked your coworkers, Mister Leopold.
It's vague and ambiguous, mister Tyne. Question you asked your
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coworkers at the Quarterdeck tavern to lie to you? Didn't
you answer? No? I inform my boss about what was
going on, and he told me that he would help
in any way that he can. Question. Okay, you got
your friend redacted to lie by switching name tags with you.
Correct answer, incorrect. It was a coincidence. At the same night,
she was not wearing her name tag. She was wearing mine.
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But I was also not wearing I was wearing my
name tag. Everyone switches name tags, it just happens. It
was a coincidence. At that same night the people came
with the papers. Mister Tyne, Will you put up Exhibit
eighteen dash zero zero one, mister Goldberger, and mark eighteen
zero zero one for identification purposes to this deposition, Mister Leopold,
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none of them have been marked yet. Can we mark
them and put them as attachments to the deposition? Because
I think you've shown three photos now and this is
the only one that has been marked for identification yet.
Hold on just a second, just so the record is clear,
mister Tyne, I am not speaking to you, mister Leopold. Okay,
then don't speak to me then, but I'll speak to
mister Goldberger perhaps, but at least for the record, can
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we put on the record that the previous two photographs
were marked for identification? Mister Goldberger will make sure that
the record is clear at the end of the deposition
so that there's no ambiguity. Mister Leopold, Thank you. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up right here and in the next
episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
we left off. All of the information that goes with
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this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode. We're going to get right back to two
thousand and eight. Jane Doe and the deposition in Florida,
and the questions are being asked by mister Tyne. Jane
Doe is the one answering the questions. Question, I've put
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a photograph marked eighteen dash zero zero one up on
the screen. Do you see that? Answer? Yep. Question who
is that in the photo? Answer redacted on the left
of me on the right question redacted, right answer, yes
question redacted your friend at the quarterdeck tavern, right answer, yes,
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question redacted your friend who you say? The day that
the process servers went to serve you with a subpoena
for this deposition just happened, just by coincidence, was wearing
your name tag answer yes, sir, question and just by
coincidence you were wearing her name tag. Correct answer, yes. Question.
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You're a testimony under oath? Is that that's just a coincidence?
Right answer, total honesty. Question. It just happens to be
the day that you were going to be served with
a subpoena. Correct answer. That wasn't the first day that
to this Mister Leopold objects once again, just answer the question.
It calls for a yes or no the witness. Yes,
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mister Tyne, question, you said that wasn't the first day
you were going to be You thought you were being
served with a subpoena. Correct answer, correct question. You knew
before that day that you switched name tags with redacted,
that the process servers were looking for you, didn't you answer? No?
I knew to that. She's cut off by mister Leopold.
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Just answer it. It calls for a yes or no
the witness. Okay, no, mister Tyne. Question. Now you can
explain the answer that your counsel will stop you from explaining. Answer. Okay,
I work at Quarterdeck and people were telling me that
people were looking for me. So yes, I was aware
that people were searching for me, but I had no
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idea who they were or what their intentions were. But
I thought they were just people I didn't want to
talk to. So I just didn't want to talk to them.
And every time they'd come to work, I wasn't there.
And it so happens the night that they came, me
and my friend switch name tags. No big deal. Question.
That's a lie, isn't it, mister Leopold objection, Don't answer
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that question. That's harassment, and I will not allow it.
He could ask the question and will allow a jerry
to make that determination, but not counsel. I will not
allow her to answer that question. Mister Tyne, certify it, Leopold,
I'll certify it. Mister Tyne. Stop making speaking objections, Leopold,
I'm not. I'm not going to put up with it
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because it's inappropriate, Jack, and you know it. I will
not allow counsel to breid a witness, whether it's in
a criminal case or a civil case, whether my client
or to that. He's once again interrupted by mister Tyne.
Calm down, mister Leopold, excuse me, No, I'm not going
to allow it. That is not proper. Mister Goldberger. Okay,
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mister Leopold. If he wants to say that she's lying
after asking it five times and are explaining in great
dal tell, he can do that, but I'm not going
to allow her to answer nor be arassed by him.
It's improper. Mister Goldberger. Okay, but your response that council
doesn't like the question or it doesn't like the answer,
just let me finish, mister Leopold. Absolutely, I wasn't going
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to interrupt you, Mister Goldberger, just requires us to say
we like the answer to that question. And it's not
you or I or you and mister Tyne who are
testifying here, it's the witness, mister Leopold. Fine, but after
the sixth time of asking the same question and then
coming back and pointing a finger at her and saying
you're a liar, mister Tyne, that didn't happen, mister Leopold.
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That's fine, But I'm not going to allow her to
answer that question because she's answered the same question and
has explained it. Now. Counsel might be sitting there rubbing
his head with a migraine. That's his problem. But if
he can't ask a question appropriately in a professional manner,
we will leave. I will not allow her to be
berated like that, mister Goldberger. Actually, we're very happy with
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the answer, mister Leopold. That's great, mister Goldberger. Do you
want us to get into that, mister Tyne, Ted Leopold,
this is really big stuff that you're going through. But
that's fine. Just ask your question and move on, but
do it one time. If you don't understand it, I'll
let you follow up, but I'm not going to allow
you to ask the same question time and time again
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and then call her a liar. Just ask the question,
get the answer, and move to the next subject matter.
Mister Tyne, I'm sitting right across the table from you, Leopold. Yes, sir,
mister Tyne, please be quiet and don't yell, mister Leopold.
I will not be quiet, mister Tyne. Stop yelling, mister Leopold. Lewis.
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When I'm yelling, you'll know it. I will not, mister
Tyne interrupts him. My name is not Lewis, mister Leopold.
I thought your first name was Lewis. Mister Tyne. Mister Tyne,
you watch me for three days at the Evidentiary hearing,
where you sat in the back of the courtroom. You
should know who I am. Mister Leopold. Well, that's the
impression you must have made in the court room. I
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will not be quiet, mister Tyne. That's obnoxious. Stop being obnoxious.
It's stupid. Let's go ahead with the questioning, mister Leopold.
I will make the record, mister Tyne. Let's get on
with the questions. Mister Leopold, do you need a break? Thereupon,
a recess was taken mister Tyne after the recess, asking
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the questions again. Okay, redacted, after you told your manager
at the quarter Deck tavern everything that was going on,
and he told you he would help you in any
way he could. He hid you in the kitchen from
the process servers. Correct answer, incorrect question. Isn't it true
that lying to avoid service is a meaningless lie to you? Redacted? Answer?
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Incorrect question? What is your manager's name? Answer? I have three?
Would you like to know? All? Question? Who's the one
who lied for you? Answer redacted? Question? And what it
redacted do to lie for you? Sir said, I wasn't there? Question?
And Tuditi tel wasn't there? Answer? Ask him question where
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were you when redacted told this someone that you were
not at the Quarterdeck tavern? Answer eating Nacho's question at
the Quarterdeck tavern? Answer yes. Question what did you do
so that redacted would lie to the process servers for you? Answer? Nothing?
Question you just got him to lie for you, didn't you? Answer? No,
I had no influence on him, saying I wasn't there? Question?
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He took that upon himself. Isn't it true that mister
Epstein's process servers had to ask the police to get
you out of the restaurant so they could serve you.
And to that Leopold objects objection, lack of foundation and predicate.
Mister Tyne. Question. You can answer the question, mister Leopold,
if you know, don't guess the witness, No, you can.
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Can you repeat the question, mister Tyne, don't coach, mister Leopold.
Don't guess, mister Tyne, that's coaching, mister Leopold. No, that's
an instruction to the client. Mister Tyne, No, you don't
do that, witness. Can you repeat the question, mister Leopold.
Let me just state for the record, mister Tyne. Question,
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once the police, isn't it true that mister Epstein's process
servers had to ask the police to get you out
of the restaurant so they could serve you. Answer incorrect.
My boss called the police. Question and once the police
showed up to stop you from lying to avoid service,
you made another lie that the process servers had to
ask you. Isn't that correct? Answer? Incorrect? Question you why
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all the time, don't you mister Leopold objection the witness incorrect?
Mister Tyne. Question, you have a MySpace page don't you?
Answer no longer? Do I have a MySpace page? I
deleted it? Question when did you delete your MySpace page?
Answer a couple of days ago? Question who told you
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to take your MySpace page down? A couple of days ago?
Answer nobody. I'm sick and tired of MySpace. Question you
all of a sudden got sick and tired of MySpace
Just a few days before this deposition, you decided to
delete your MySpace page. Correct answer correct. Question is that
your testimony under oath? Answer yes. Question did you take
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your MySpace page down because you thought the government might subpoena?
Answer incorrect. Question hadn't your MySpace page been up for
over three months before you took it down? Answer correct?
But I also made tons of MySpace over the last years.
I just get tired of them and delete them because
drama and make new ones. Question we're going to talk
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about that. So you deleted your MySpace page after you
were already under subpoena for this deposition correct answer. Correct
question What about the MySpace page? Didn't you want us
to see redacted? Answer nothing? Question, Well, we're going to
come back to MySpace in a second. Answer you do
that I'm going to ask you some questions about why
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you lie about your age so often. Okay, mister Leopold,
objection to the form argumentative, mister Tyne. Question you lie
about your age all the time, don't you? Mister Leopold
objection argumentative the witness incorrect, mister Tyne. Question, you lie
about your age to get body piercings. Don't you answer? Incorrect? Question?
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You have body piercings? Don't you answer? Yes? Question? You
have four body piercings. Isn't that right? Answer? Five? Question?
Other than the piercings on your ears, I'm not talking
about that answer. Oh then no, just one question? And
where's that one body piercing? Answer? Belly question? When did
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you get that answer? For my birthday with my stepmother
and my father? Question? And when was that answer? When
I was fourteen? Question? Okay, so you have the body
piercing when you met Epstein? Correct answer? It might have
been or maybe that yeah, either my fourteenth birthday or
fifteenth birthday, I honestly don't remember. Question. Now you've lied
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about your age to get into bars by using the
driver license? That aren't yours? Correct answer? Incorrect question? Are
you swearing? Under oath that you've never done that. Answer, Yes,
I swear under oath. Question, and you've lied about your
age to buy beer? Correct answer? Incorrect question. You're swearing
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under oath that you've never lied to stores about your age. Answer,
I've never lied to a store about my age or anything.
Question you try to look much older than you are.
Don't you answer incorrect? Can you imagine that's the question
he's asking this girl? You try to look older than
you are? Oh? Yeah, because that justifies what Epstein did. Right,
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piece of shit? Question? And you lied about your age
on your MySpace pages? Don't you answer incorrect? Question? All right,
let's look at exhibit twenty dash zero one, Miss Bellohovlik,
who's one of the prosecutors. Twenty six dash zero zero one,
mister Tyne, Yes, question. On this page, you lie to
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everyone that you were eighteen. Didn't you answer? Correct? Question?
Let's go to exhibit thirty three, Miss Bellohovlick, that's thirty
three dash zero zero one, tyn correct, mister Tyne. On
this page you lie to everyone that you were nineteen.
Didn't you answer incorrect? Mister Leopold, just answer the question,
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the witness, Oh, incorrect? Mister Tyne. Question, now you can
explain your answer. Answer. I know that I have seen
all of these, and I know that this one is mine.
Can you go down, mister Leopold, Just for the record,
you're appointing to the photo the witness I'm pointing to.
Mister Tyne cuts her off. You're appointing to the one
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where it says your age is eighteen? Answer correct question,
that's yours, right answer correct. That's my from a couple
of years ago that I have not been on because
I don't use that. Please keep going down, please, And
I think that's it, because there is no one just
that one is mine. Question. So the one you pointed
to where it says your age is eighteen, that yours
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correct answer? Correct question. When you wrote eighteen as your
age on your MySpace page, was it a lie? Answer?
Correct question? Did you lie about your MySpace page back
then because you couldn't post on MySpace unless you were eighteen?
Answer correct. There was a rule many years ago that
you had to be eighteen to have a MySpace question,
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so you lied about your age so you could post
on MySpace. Right answer, right question. Let's get back to
the top of the page. Thirty three to oh one.
Are you testifying now under oath that this MySpace page
where the headline says twins do have More Fun and
the location is given as Locks abbreviation for Locks of
Hatchie and the age is nineteen and it says redact.
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Is it your testimony that you did not post that? Answer? Correct? Question. Now,
let's go back to the one where you were appointing
to before on this page where it says your age
is eighteen, and you lied about your age to post
on MySpace? Okay? Answer yes? Question all right? Why did
you finally put your true age on MySpace profile four
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days before you were scheduled to testify before the grand jury? Answer?
I don't know what you're talking about, mister Leopold. If
you don't understand, asked to have the question asked again,
mister Tyne, don't coach the witness. I don't know which
MySpace you're talking about, mister Tyne. Question the MySpace page
that you just pointed to where it says you were eighteen.
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Answer yes, question and you were lying about your age?
Right answer? Uh huh? Question Why did you finally post
your true age on your MySpace profile? Answer question four
days before you were scheduled to testify before the grand jury. Answer,
I honestly don't know which MySpace because I've had like
a bazillion myspaces in that year. I had two, that
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one and another one, and that one's been deleted. I
don't know which one you're referring to. Question do you
remember that you change your age on your MySpace page
from eighteen to your true age just four days before
you went and testified in the grand jury? Answer? No question,
you don't remember that. Answer No question. Do you remember
detective Rocari? Did you ever meet a Detective Roccari? Answer?
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I don't know the name. Question how many different detectives
have you met with this case from Palm Beach? Answer
probably a good six or seven maybe. Question did one
of the detectives tell you before you testified in the
grand jury that you should take your MySpace page and
put your true age? Answer? No question. Didn't Detective Riccari
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have to come to your house to pick you up
to get you to testify in front of the grand jury? Answer?
Possibly maybe? Because I didn't have a ride. I was
only fourteen or fifteen at the time. Question your mom
didn't drive you? Answer? No question. Stepmom didn't drive you? Answer?
I think my dad, Oh, my dad, my dad drove me.
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Question your dad drove you? Answer yes, sir question, So
your testimonious detective Riccari did not drive you? Correct, mister
Leopold objection asked and answered the witness. No, I'm pretty
sure my dad drove me because he was there with me.
Mister tyne. Question, did any detective tell you to change
your age on your MySpace page to put your true age?
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Answer no, sir question. Now you also lied on your
MySpace page about your income. Didn't you answer yes? Question?
And you lied saying you made a quarter million dollars
a year and hire correct answer as a joke? Yes? Question?
That was a lie, wasn't it? Answer yes question? And
you also lied on your MySpace page saying that you
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were married. Didn't you answer possibly? And that might have
been an error on my part? Question? Now you also
lie to the police. Don't you answer no question? While
you lied to the police in your tape recorded statement
that you gave Detective Michelle Pegan three years ago, didn't
you answer to my knowledge? No, I did not question
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while you lied to the police. When you accuse mister
Epstein of attempting to murder your father? Didn't you answer no,
I never heard a statement saying that mister Epstein tried
to murder my father. Question you made that statement, didn't you,
mister Leopold. Do you have a statement to show her
that's been asked? An answered mister Tyne. I'm sorry I
didn't hear the witnesses answer, mister Leopold. Mister Tyne. Question
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you told the police, didn't you that mister Epstein almost
killed your father? Answer? No. Question three years ago, before
mister Epstein even knew about this investigation. You told the
police that Epstein had already come to my dad's house
and did something to my dad tires, and my dad
almost died. I didn't want my dad to get hurt
because jeff had already almost killed him. Didn't you say that?
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Answer Not to my knowledge or recollection, I have never
said anything like that. Question. That would have been a
complete lie, wouldn't it have been? Answer? Yeah, all right,
So that's gonna do it for the Jane Doe two
thousand and eight Florida deposition that was given against Jeffrey Epstein,
And that just gives you a little bit of an
idea of how adversarial this stuff was for these girls
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that brought these allegations against Epstein, especially down in Florida.
There was a lot going on there, and the way
that Jeffrey Epstein conducted himself needs to be talked about because,
in my opinion, the whole process surrounding it was corrupt.
So when you go back and you look at all
the testimony and you look at these depositions, it's obvious
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to anyone that they have the goods on Epstein and
they chose to give them that homie hookup instead. And
what's funny is we're seeing history repeat itself in real
time as Glenn Maxwell gets the same kind of treatment. So,
like usual, we'll continue swimming through all this mook looking
for the clarity to keep bringing you the truth that
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