Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Homicidal Maniac He Was Celled Up With (12/25/25)

Putting Nicholas Tartaglione—a former cop facing a serious violent case—into the same cell as Jeffrey Epstein has always looked like a decision that begs for more explanation than the system ever really gave. The official framing leans on routine housing pressures and standard placement decisions at MCC, but that’s hard to square with Epstein’s status as the most high-profile detainee in the building, under intense scrutiny, with known safety and suicide-risk concerns. What makes it even messier is that after Epstein was found injured in his cell, internal documentation reflects that Epstein told staff his cellmate tried to kill him—a claim that directly contradicts any “nothing to see here” tone about the housing choice. Even if officials later described the episode as murky, disputed, or consistent with self-harm, the fact remains: the inmate at the center of the most sensitive federal custody situation in America ended up in a cell with a man the public would never describe as “low-risk,” and then immediately said he’d been attacked.

And that’s where the “official narrative” keeps running into its own credibility problem: it asks the public to accept a chain of extraordinary coincidences inside a facility later shown to be riddled with procedural failures. If Epstein’s account is taken seriously, then the placement decision and the response protocols become the story—because it would mean the Bureau of Prisons put him in a situation where he could plausibly be harmed, and then had to manage the fallout. If Epstein’s account is not taken seriously, then the obvious question is why the system tolerated ambiguity at all—why key surveillance gaps, inconsistent supervision practices, and the broader MCC breakdowns left so much room for competing explanations. Either way, the housing choice looks less like a neutral administrative call and more like a decision that created maximum risk with minimum transparency, followed by a public-facing story that never fully resolved the most basic issue: why was this pairing allowed in the first place, and why did Epstein immediately say he’d been assaulted?


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
A lot about how did Jeffrey Epstein die? Did he
kill himself, was he murdered? What the hell happened in
that jail cell? Unfortunately, we don't know, and that is
just the truth of the matter. Anybody who says they
know for sure what occurred in that jail cell the

(00:20):
knight Jeffrey Epstein died is beessing with you, unless, of
course they were there, and we don't know who was there, right,
we don't know anything about that night. Oh sure, we
have the official narrative. We have the official story given
to us by the federal government and the Department of

(00:40):
Corrections and all of their surrogates. But the question is
do you believe that? Do you really believe that all
of these things just happened to occur all at the
time that Jeffrey Epstein was going to die, or leading
up to his death, just a perfect storm happened to

(01:01):
arrive right over Jeffrey Epstein. Huh, right when they were
about to put the screws to him. Yeah, it's just
a coincidence. I mean, it's obvious what happened here. He
just killed himself. Anyone asking any other questions is just
a conspiracy theorist. Jeez. Meanwhile, back in reality, anybody with

(01:23):
any sense in their head is asking the question, what
the fuck happened in that jail cell? Leading up to
Jeffrey Epstein's death, there was another incident in a jail
cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni, an ex cop who's under suspicion

(01:47):
for four homicides. That's the guy they put into the
cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Of all of the hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of other inmates that could have been
in the cell with Jeffrey Epstein, they put Nicholas Dartaglione,
who's facing a life sentence, who is so bowed about

(02:08):
it that he killed a cartel operator, Martin Luna, allegedly.
And you think that's the right guy to put in
a cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Who made that decision? Are
they still working for the prison system? Why shouldn't that
person be fired? Isn't that a terrible, terrible display of

(02:34):
your ability to do your job right up front for
everybody to see. You know, if you're bad at your job,
you usually lose it, unless, of course, you work for
the federal government, then it's okay. It's like being a priest.
Right when you work for the federal government, you could
do whatever the fuck you want. They'll just shuffle you around,

(02:55):
just like these nasty ass, gross ass, disgusting ass priests.
All of these bureaucracies are trash in my opinion, be
it the prison system, the federal government, your local church,
whatever it is, all of these bureaucracies are corrupt. And

(03:15):
the fact that the people who were at MCC running
the whole entire shin dig running the whole entire shit
show still have jobs is just mind boggling to me.
But I guess you know, there's no expected accountability by
those who hold these positions. I guess it's just we

(03:35):
should just not expect them to do the right thing
to just should we should expect it to be a
shit show, is basically what they're telling us, when in reality,
we pump hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of
dollars into this shit as taxpayers, and we get no
return on our investment, shit return on our investment. There

(03:57):
should be no place and no time time where somebody
like Jeffrey Epstein sharing the cell with somebody like Nicholas Tartaglioni.
Why didn't you put Tartaglioni in the cell with El Choppo?
Why is he in there with Jeffrey Epstein. People like
Epstein are the number one target on prison yards. Tartaglioni's

(04:21):
facing four life sentences, perhaps the death penalty, and you
think he has any regard for Jeffrey Epstein's welfare? What
I mean? It takes a whole lot of suspending your
sensibilities to believe it's a good idea to put Tartaglioni

(04:42):
in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, look, even
if he didn't do it right, even if he didn't
assault Jeffrey Epstein the first go around when they were
cell mates, the decision alone to put him in there
and have the chance for it to happen is enough
to fire people. This isn't a game. What do you

(05:06):
think this is some sort of gladiatorial combat. I'm gonna
put inmates in with each other and see what happens,
some sort of sociology experiment. Even the worst of the
worst amongst us needs to be safeguarded when they're in prison,
so they could see trial now after trial, on the
other hand, Hey, it's a doggy dog world in prison, folks.

(05:26):
I've told you one hundred million times, you don't want
to deal with going to prison. You don't want to
deal with these sick fucking people that are in there.
Don't break the law, don't be an asshole. And these people,
especially these rich people that break the law then cry
all of these crocodile tears that they're going to jail,
that they're going to prison. I have no sympathy for you.

(05:50):
Your commissary is gonna be full, your books are gonna
be full, You're gonna have a nice spread inside of
your cell. What about the rest of the people that
in prison, the normal folk like us, Those are the
people I'm concerned with in prison, folks, those are the
people who I want to see shit change. For people

(06:12):
like Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein that cry about their
prison terms, I don't honestly, I don't even care because
I don't even feel like people like that can be rehabilitated.
So if you're in prison serving a sentence on something
that's non uh uh non, something that can't be rehabilitated, right,
non fixable, then fuck, I don't have any empathy for

(06:35):
you at all. Hurting children, hurting women, you know, multiple violence,
you know, murdering people. Fuck that. Sorry, bro, you're screwed.
I don't know what to tell you. But even those people,
even their conditions in prison, have to be up to
a standard that is passable for living conditions. I'm not

(06:59):
into the torture facilities that some of these places are, folks,
that's really what they are, at least mentally, and I'm
not into that shit at all. I think that there
needs to be prison reform. I'm very firm about that,
and I'm willing to go to the nines about it.
In fact, because when we send people to prison for

(07:26):
you know, things that they have done, mistakes that they
have made, DUI's, you know, blue collar crime, whatever it
might be, there needs to be rehabilitation for these people.
Get a college degree, learn a skill something so that
when they get released back into society they can be
functioning members of that society. And once you have paid

(07:50):
your debt to society, I also believe that your right
to vote should be reinstated. But when it comes to
people like Jeff Epstein and Glaine Maxwell, and they're crying
about their conditions, in prison. It's just laughable because I
look around and I see people that I know, people

(08:11):
that I talk to on a regular basis, who have
done bids, you know, serious bids too, eight ten, twelve
years some of these people, and they tell me the
horror stories about prison and how it is exactly like
you hear about on these yards. Well here on the
West coast anyway, if you're in prison for a crime

(08:32):
against a woman, if you're in prison for a crime
against a child, you're fucked, bro. You are not walking
the main line. You're not gonna be gp. You're gonna
have to you're gonna have to protect up, you're gonna
have to go and talk to the screws, and you're
gonna have to get moved to protective custody because you're
not gonna make it on the line. So why would

(08:54):
they think that Epstein should be in a jail cell
with somebody who's staring at four life bids. Who's gonna
be on the line, who's gonna walk the yard? And
when he shows up on the yard? Now, if TARTAGLIONI
did this, you know, the first assault, because he obviously
didn't kill him. The second, well, I shouldn't say obviously,
we don't know, right, we don't know, but more than

(09:16):
likely had nothing to do with his death. But he
probably assaulted him that first time. That's my working assumption.
Why would you put that dude to sell with Jeffrey Epstein.
That is the question that is not being asked enough,
and that's the question that the federal government's going to
have to answer because people who know about this shit,

(09:37):
people who understand about understand what goes on in the
prison system. And believe me, I only understand a little bit, right,
I've never been through it. I've never been to prison.
I don't know the first fucking thing. I've never even
you know what, I've never even been in handcuffs, to
be honest with you, So I don't That's a world
that I don't know about personally. That's a world I
only know about from very good friends of mine who

(09:59):
have not been so lucky. But when you hit the
yard on the West Coast, somebody like Epstein, somebody like Maxwell,
the party's over for you if you're in GP. And
somebody like Tartaglioni, on the other hand, he can earn
some stripes, right, he might be a cop, But at
the same time he can earn some stripes with the

(10:21):
other shot callers on the yard by assaulting a chomo.
Pretty much the only thing below an ex cop in
prison is a como and TARTAGLIONI thankfully for him. He's
gonna end up doing his bid on the East coast,
probably and not on the West coast, where there are
a lot more Mexican inmates. And considering that he clipped

(10:47):
Diego I mean Martin Luna, who was an operative for
the cartel, he'd be in for a bad stay out west.
Now on the East Coast, things are gonna be a
little bit different. There's gonna be a different structure in prison.
I'm not too sure. I really don't have any uh
friends even who did a significant time in a New

(11:10):
York State prison, so I'm not too positive. But I'm
sure it's not gonna be a fun run for an
next cop. But that said, at least he's not gonna
have to deal with Lame on the yard, right because
I'm sure whatever cartel that Luna was operating for, probably
Sinaloa considering where he was located. But I'm sure that

(11:32):
that cartel is gonna green light Tartaglioni unless on the
flip side. There's a lot we don't know, right, but
this is something that could could occur. Maybe Tartaglioni was
doing that work for the cartel. Maybe he was clipping
Luna for the cartel. Again, we don't know. The government's
very tight lipped in this case. But when it comes

(11:54):
to Tartaglioni, it comes to his court case, I am
watching it very very closely, now, almost as close as
I'm watching the Epstein case. I don't know what it is, folks,
but something here stinks real bad for me, and I
can't get the smell out of my nose. The whole
Tartaglioni situation, the whole entire Tartaglioni being in a jail

(12:16):
cell with Jeffrey Epstein just smacks of something very very
very disgusting. So what we're gonna do today is we're
gonna jump into an article about Tartaglioni, and we're gonna
talk not talk to personally, but here from a lawyer,

(12:37):
Doug Shoon, who spoke with Jeffrey Epstein right before Jeffrey
Epstein died, and according to Doug shown they had a
whole strategy worked out. They were ready to go to
the nines and go to the mattresses and try and
win this case. Doug Shoan says that Jeffrey Epstein was
not suicidal, that Jeffrey Epstein was in good spirits, and

(12:58):
that Jeffrey Epstein was ready to fight this case. And
I just have a hard time believing that a narcissist
like Jeffrey Epstein would kill himself before even having a fight.
Now again, I might be wrong. Maybe he did kill himself.
Maybe he hung himself from that bed, like everybody in
the federal government says he did. But I don't know

(13:22):
about you, but personally, I have a hard time believing
the federal government about anything at this point. And I
don't say that to be edgy or to be cool
or anything like that. These are just the facts. The
federal government has a long proven track record of bsing
us the populace. And while some people might be acceptant

(13:46):
to that, might just sit back and say, ah, you know,
that's the way, it is not me. I have questions
for fucking everything, And to tell you the truth, folks,
I'm not receiving enough answers, and I know a lot
of you out there the same way. So the whole
situation surrounding Epstein's death has always been an absolute shit show.

(14:09):
We have never gotten the real story. And when you
hear things like what Doug Shoan has to say, it
just goes further in strengthening my belief. That's something I
don't know what, but something real fucked up occurred in
that jail, from the time Epstein was hurt, the first

(14:32):
time assaulted, tried to commit suicide, whatever, up until his death.
There needs to be answers for that whole entire time period.
And Doug shown the lawyer who sat with Epstein very
close to the time of Epstein's death, he feels the
same way. So let's jump into this article from the
Daily Mail and let's see what they have to say.

(14:57):
It was a homicide, but I don't know who killed him.
Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer says his pedophile client was upbeat and
excited about strategy to clear his name, but lived in
fear of violent former cellmate. So this is Doug Shoan
saying this, folks, Okay, we're not talking about some two
bit hack lawyer. We're talking about a guy that's on

(15:17):
the public scene as far as these sorts of cases go.
Somebody who's a pretty respected lawyer, and according to him,
Epstein was scared of Tartaglione. This article was authored by
Dan Bates. Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself because he

(15:38):
was preparing a multi layered legal and media strategy to
fight his case. The late Pedophiles lawyer has claimed David Shoon,
who Epstein asked to lead his legal team in his
final days, said he planned to mount legal and factual
defenses to the sex trafficking allegations against him. So he
had David Shoon come in, and David shoona was about

(16:01):
to take over this case, and David Shoan had a
whole strategy worked up him and Epstein. They had a whole, entire,
you know, game plan set forth, which would probably have failed. Honestly,
there's so much evidence that Epstein is guilty. That's not
the point here though, right. The point is him and
his lawyer were confident that they had a strategy put

(16:21):
into place that might be feasible, right, And if it's
somebody who was suicidal, would they be sitting down trying
to put a strategy together would they be juggling their lawyers,
would they be hiring a new lawyer to take the
lead in the case. Doesn't sound like somebody who is
suicidal to me. During a five hour meeting with Epstein

(16:46):
nine days before his death, shown said Epstein was upbeat
and excited and looking forward to clear his name, but
Epstein was in a dangerous situation in jail, and suggested
other prisoners were considering blackmailing him. Look, there's no doubt
that happens in jail. That happens in prison to the
best of people. Right, you show up and it's open

(17:12):
season on the fish. And if you don't have to
handle yourself physically, right, you don't got to be the
baddest dude in the world. But you gotta get down.
You gotta throw down. If somebody looks up on you,
somebody's threatening you, somebody's trying to blackmail you, somebody's pressing you.
You need to stand up for yourself. Now. You can't
walk in there like Billy Badass with your chest all bared,

(17:32):
talking about I'm here to knock people out because you're
gonna get your shit pushed in. But you need to
handle your business. Shut your mouth be a man, make
eye contact, speak with people the correct way. But if
you're Jeffrey Epstein and you have these charges over your head,

(17:53):
none of that matters. You're automatically a piece of shit
to these people. And the fact that Tartaglioni is acting
like Kim and Epstein, We're gonna become friends and shit
is laughable at best. There's zero chance. Okay, Tartaglioni, an
ex cop now, a felon for life, is gonna make
friends with a chomo before he even hits the yard. Yeah, okay, sure,

(18:13):
And all of that money that they just passed for
infrastructure is going to go to the American people. They
would see him on TV inside the prison and tell
Epstein seventy million dollar mansion. Huh, Seoan speaks out in
a new documentary about Epstein's death called Who Killed Jeffrey Epstein.
The first episode began streaming online on an Investigation Discovery

(18:36):
on Monday and will be well premiere on TV on
May thirty. First, now, this articles back from May twenty,
remember May of twenty twenty, so this is already out.
If you haven't watched this yet, you can check it out.
Who Killed Jeffrey Epstein decent one of these little series
that they had going on, one of many. Right, there's
a bunch of them that they had out, So for

(18:57):
those of you who might have missed, those new to
the story, go back check them out if you got
some time looking to kill some time. Definitely worth the watch.
The three part series questions whether or not the financier
pedophile took his own life last August while awaiting trial
on sex trafficking charges, as the official autopsy claimed, Epstein's

(19:19):
death sparked a slew of conspiracy theories, which were bolstered
by the apparent failures at the prison where he was
being held. So see, I have an issue with that.
Is it really a conspiracy theory? If there's a slew
of issues and you have questions, why would you frame
that as being a conspiracy theory unless you're trying to

(19:40):
keep the truth from coming out. And it befuddles me
that the legacy media would go about their business the
same way. They're so worried about being called a conspiracist
that they won't ask the hard questions. And that's how
the system set up, right, The so called elite have

(20:01):
it so ingrained in people. Not to ask questions, not
to say this, not to say that, or you'll look
like a fucking lunatic. If you came out and said
you saw a UFO fifteen years ago, you were laughed
at and called a clown, a psychopath, et cetera. Now
the government itself's coming out talking about UFOs, but don't
ask any questions. You're a fucking conspiracy theorist. It's so wild, bro.

(20:24):
It is really so wild to me that they can
get away with this shit for so long calling people
conspiracy theorists, this, that, the other thing, while at the
same time and the other side of their mouth firing
off their own conspiracy theories that are only supported by
circular reporting. It's really incredible to me to see how dead,

(20:48):
tone deaf the legacy media is. The guards at the
Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan allegedly did not check on
him all night, and the cameras outside of his cell. Well,
we're not working not a conspiracy theory. Those are facts.
Can you give me an answer for those issues? Oh
you can't, So how's it a conspiracy theory of It's

(21:11):
I'm not coming up with all sorts of wild fucking things.
I don't think Chewbacca and Lando Calrissian showed up there
to kill him. But I want some answers, and the
answers you people are giving me certainly havn't fit the
bill of what I would call solid answers. And I'm
certainly not the only one who believes that. Okay, Julie K.
Brown feels the same way. Is she a conspiracy theorist?

(21:35):
Shown is based in Atlanta, Georgia, and had been giving
Epstein's sporadic legal advice for eleven years before his arrest
last July. He claims that despite his vast finances, Epstein's
legal team was in turmoil and he sought out Showing
to lead them to trial. Speaking to daily Mail dot Com,
Shown even called Jay Lefkowitz, one of Epstein's longtime lawyers,

(21:57):
a numskull, and I can't disagree with that. Leftkowitz is
a big mouth, a bloviating big mouth. But he did
let it slip that Epstein was one of the first donors,
one of the first key members to get the Clinton
Global Initiative off the ground. Nobody likes to talk about that, right,
They always want to talk about other things. He noticed.

(22:18):
These people don't ever want to talk about their boy
Billy Clinton, especially clog wearing. Ask George Stepanopolis. They never
have anything to say about good old billy boy Clinton,
do they. But the fact of the matter is Jay
Lefkowitz is a numskull. Central to Epstein's legal strategy was

(22:39):
that the prosecution in New York was the same as
the one in two thousand and eight for which he
agreed to a plea deal with federal prosecutors. So again,
that's the rub, And it's always been the rub. It's
always been the thorn in the side, the goddamn non
prosecution agreement in Florida on such a monkey in the wrench,

(23:05):
And that was always the goal, right, get that on
the books. Let's get this in the system, so we
can use this as a defense moving forward, no matter
what Epstein does. But guess what, it only protected you
in Florida, all right, only for the crimes committed there,
you sick fuck you. Now you got to pay the

(23:26):
piper elsewhere, well, not you, but your estate, right, your
reputation and your good friend Galine. You're all gonna pay
the piper now, aren't you. There? Fuck bag Epstein. Sean explained,
Epstein asked me to take over the whole case, and
that they discussed factual rebuttals. He said, people who were

(23:48):
coming forward he'd never seen before and had nothing to
do with. I thought he was getting killed in the media.
When he could respond, he should at least explain and respond.
There was a miserable failure to do so, and his
lawyers were dysfunctional. Look, there was no way Epstein was
ever gonna win this case in the public view. Now,
shown's right, you have to try, But it was a

(24:11):
failed strategy from the get go. Now, back then, before
it had blown up like it had now, maybe it
would have worked a little bit better, but not Now.
What do I always say one and one that they
can swat us away? Right, ten million of us, they're
gonna suffocate. And that's what we've become. We've become a swarm, folks.

(24:32):
I couldn't be any prouder of you people, the way
you folks have stood tall before the wagon throughout this
whole entire thing. Every day on this podcast, listening to
what I have to say, tons of other content, you're
sucking down, reading books, calling your congressmen, demanding change. Yeah,
you people are the all stars. Me and the rest

(24:52):
of the content creators. We just happen to have some
big mouths, right, That's all. It really comes down to.
Nobody's smarter than anybody else, nobody he knows more than
anybody else, who's a team effort as far as I see,
and anybody trying to claim credit in this case a
bunch of fucking clowns. You folks out there that have
kept the pedal to the metal, your foot to the floor,

(25:15):
and demanded justice for all of these years. You're the superstars,
all right. Now. We all know that the real leaders
of this have been the survivors themselves, but you folks
who have supported them on a regular basis via social
media and otherwise, you all deserve a standing applause as well. Folks,

(25:35):
all right, because this hasn't been an easy, you know,
an easy road. A lot of you have, you know,
suffered people calling you conspiracy theorists and other names and shit,
and people don't know anything about the case mainly, but
you have kept you're cool, you have kept the narrative going,
and you have kept the story in the news. And

(25:56):
for that you will all should get a tip of
the cat, he said, people who were coming forward he'd
never seen before and had nothing to do with. Oh
excuse me. The plan to push back included appealing to
the public sense of fairness because Epstein had not been
formally accused of anything since two thousand and five. Yeah,

(26:17):
felt strategy that would not have worked. Okay, once you're
accused of what Epstein was accused of originally, there's no
rebuilding that image in the public view. Now, maybe amongst
the other elites, the other so called elites, the scumbags
of the world, the pieces of shit who ran to
the Hamptons while the rest of you were dying in
New York during COVID, The pieces of shit who ran

(26:38):
to the Hamptons while the rest of you couldn't leave
your house in New York. Yeah, those same very people.
They led Jeffrey Epstein back in. But the rest of us, Nah,
no thanks, We have no room for fuck bags like you, Okay.
Sean wanted to talk about the political pressure that led
to Epstein's arrest and the extortion attempt by sir lawyers.

(27:01):
Now that's an interesting angle, right, an extortion attempt. I
think that asking for compensation after being abused for decades
by Jeffrey Epstein. Is an extortion? Okay, I think that's
getting right. I think that's called getting some retribution. It's

(27:22):
not extortion. In one case, a lawyer supposedly sent Epstein
a letter demanding twenty five million to make the survivor's
claims go away. Epstein did not pay. Let's see the letter,
Let's see the evidence. Talk is cheap, homie, talk is
real cheap, Shoan said. At least I wanted people to

(27:45):
report on the fact how much lawyers were making off
this thing. I'd hope that some people agree that some
of these women tricked him. I don't believe that. Now,
are there crazy people out there that might make false claims?
Of course there are, of course there are. But I
will say this, lawyers are making a lot of money
off of this. Are you kidding me? Even the lawyers

(28:06):
that are doing it for free, they're making money off
of this. That's how the world works. What nobody will misses.
When you exploit things, you can make some money. Shit,
we all got to eat. Everybody gotta put a roof
over their head. It's people who are exploitive, It's people
who exploit situations that I have a problem with Johnny
come latelies. But when it comes to stuff like this,

(28:29):
the lawyer's making a couple of bucks writing books or
whatever they should do that they got, you know, how
else are they supposed to fund this? How else are
they supposed to fund their battle against people like Epstein.
During their five hour meeting at the MCC on August first,
Epstein and Shown had mapped out a strategy, and he
was upbeat and excited. Sean said, we were in the

(28:52):
area where prisoners meet lawyers. At one point, a prison
psychiatrist came in and asked me to leave so she
could talk to Epstein on his own. They talked for
five minutes, and he seemed relaxed. He was smiling as
she left. He had plans to really fight this case.
He'd made arrangements to hire me. So again there's all

(29:12):
that's talk about. Oh, Epstein was suicidal, he was this.
He was that according to who who has actually come
out and said that, that is somebody that we can believe,
somebody that's credible. Oh the prison staff said that. Oh okay,
the prison staff. Yeah, these guys are solid. We can
really count on them. And I'm not really you know,

(29:33):
I don't really mean to come down on the correctional guards, right.
They have a tough job. It's not an easy job
to do what they do. But at the same time,
I mean, come on, if you're not gonna take your gig, seriously,
find something else to do. There's plenty of jobs out there,
especially now, a lot of jobs going on. Well at
least still another lockdown comes rolling through. But that's besides

(29:56):
the point. I guess I don't know of any credible
people coming out saying Epstein was suicidal except the people
in the prison. Sean did not reveal the contents of
his discussions with Epstein, but said Glen Maxwell, his alleged madam,

(30:18):
never came up. Epstein had a lot of powerful friends
who he did favors for that Showan was disappointed they
did not offer to help him after his arrest. He said,
I'd hope that Prince Andrew would be the one guy
who stood up and said he was a friend. I
didn't know anything about it. Instead, the Duke distanced himself

(30:38):
from Epstein in a BBC interview a few months after
he died, and that right there is a little look
inside of the psyche. How close. Epstein and Andrew really were folks.
Cut through the bullshit. See what is right in front
of your face. Why would Doug Shoan say that if
Epstein and Andrew, the Joe exotic of the Windsor family

(30:59):
weren't be You know, they were very close, super close,
like best friend close. And when you pull back the
curtains and you take a little look and you find
the nuggets like shown just dished out here, it's very
apparent that they were much closer than even the media

(31:19):
is letting on. When Shoan learned Epstein had been found dead,
he immediately told his legal team to hire renowned pathologist
Michael Boden to be present for the autopsy. Boden was
brought on board and concluded that Epstein's injuries were not
consistent with suicide by hanging, as the New York City
Medical Examiner said. And right away when Boden came in,

(31:42):
the onslaught began, Oh he's a quack, he's this, he's that,
blah blah blah, this that the other thing. Meanwhile, this
dude had a show on HBO for a thousand years.
I remember as a kid watching this guy's show on
HBO about you know, the examination of dead bodies and
whatnot always freaked me out. I'm not a few I
don't like that kind of shit grosses me out. Man.

(32:05):
Not a big fan of like, you know, surgeries and
autopsies and shit like that. Passed. But I remember as
a kid seeing this guy on HBO and you know,
all the news stations, et cetera, et cetera. Then all
of a sudden Epstein shows up and now he's a quack.
Now doctor Boden doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Okay,

(32:26):
sure you know what it is. It cracks me up.
It's just like anything like with COVID. You can find
some scientist or a doctor that agrees with with your
confirmation bias if you look hard enough, no matter how
crazy it might be. And then people will point to
that and say, oh, look, I'm following the science. So
it's all wild it's all confirmation bias and wildness. Right.

(32:48):
But when it comes to Michael Boden, I think that
the guy should be listened to. He might have done
an autopsy or two in his life. Huh. Boden was
brought on board and concluded that Epstein's injuries were not
consistent with suicide by hanging, as the New York City

(33:10):
Medical Examiner had said. Instead, Boden believes the broken neck
in Epstein's the broken bone in Epstein's neck suggests he
had been killed. As Sean says in the documentary, I
think it was a homicide, but I don't know who
killed him. Sean said he was especially concerned about Epstein's
former cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglioni, a hulking X cop accused of

(33:34):
four murders. And again we come back to Nicholas Tartaglioni.
Why was he in the cell with Jeffrey Epstein in
the first place. Tartaglioni was Epstein's cell mat during his
first apparent suicide attempt on July twenty third last year,
and some reports suggested he beat Epstein up, a claim

(33:57):
his lawyer strongly denied. Shoon said the first incident that happened,
which the newspapers reported as a possible suicide attempt, Epstein
didn't want to discuss any further. He told the prison
officers he couldn't remember what happened. He didn't want to
answer any more questions. Yeah, no, shit, Look, dude, you're
in prison, you ain't ratting, and if you do, you're fucked.

(34:19):
Where's Epstein gonna go. He's already in protective custody. Where's
he gonna go? So he gets assaulted by Tartaglioni. This
is my working suspicion, my theory. Folks, Okay, I don't
have the evidence to back it up, but neither do they.
So he gets assaulted by Tartaglioni. A message sent listen, motherfucker,
you're in prison now, you hurt kids, I'm here to

(34:40):
tell you that shit. Don't ride. Tartaglioni gives him the business,
roughs them up real quick. Now Epstein's scared. Epstein's like,
what the fuck? I know? I'm in the shit now,
So he clams up. Doesn't want to tell the authorities
what happens, but tell some of his lawyers, doesn't he look,

(35:01):
he was in a dangerous situation. He's a very wealthy
guy accused of sex offenses, stuck in with a guy
accused of four murders. First of all, he should have
been locked up in the general population. That's reprehensible. He'd
have guys who watched the nightly news on the prison
TV and say to him seventy million dollar mansion. Huh yeah,
no shit. If they put him in the yard, if

(35:22):
he was in GP, forget it. If they would have
put Epstein in GP, you know for a fact that
somebody wanted him clipped, they couldn't have done that. So
they put him in the shoe. Then they put in
this hulking, dis fucking psychopath with him, and they want
you not to answer any questions when everything goes ask
any questions when everything goes south after that camera's not working,

(35:44):
guard sleeping, no crime scene. But you're the conspiracy theorist.
I've been through this with other clients, and I told
him to keep an eye on this and tell me
if anyone was extorting him. Look, Epstein was in for
a rough time in prison, there's no doubt about that.
But I don't think he killed himself. Okay, I just don't.

(36:08):
I don't. Here's the thing. I'm not one of those
people that say that though and won't believe the evidence
the other way. I'm an evidence based person. If you
show me the evidence and I have an opinion that
is other than well, once the evidence is shown, I'm
not gonna continue on my path of stupid opinions when
the evidence is present. So if somebody has some evidence

(36:29):
that he actually, you know, killed himself, I'd sure love
to see it, because what it certainly looks like to
me is there was something else going on in that jail.
There's a whole lot going on there. And the questions
that are still swirling around Tartaglione his role and what
he was doing in a jail cell with Epstein. Well,

(36:51):
I'm not gonna stop asking those questions, those questions, folks,
until someone gives us some damn answers. So with the
way that they've been in holding everything close to the
vest leading up to it, I guess I'm gonna be
asking these for these these answers till I'm dead, because
it doesn't seem like they want to be very uh

(37:13):
forthcoming with information. So my question is, what do you
folks think, should TAGLIONI have been in a jail cell
with Jeffrey Epstein or should have Jeffrey Epstein been put
in the cell by himself, safeguarded under twenty four to
seven surveillance like Maxwell as being and ask yourselves why

(37:39):
the hell that didn't occur? Because those are the questions,
the very basic questions right that we have no answers to,
and until we get those answers, we're gonna keep chipping away, folks.
We're gonna be out in the backyard chopping wood because

(38:00):
at the end of the day, you me taxpayers everywhere,
we all deserve to know some answers here, and until
the federal government and the Department of Justice and the
Bureau of Prisons comes correct, we're gonna be here asking
the same questions over and over again. If you'd like

(38:22):
to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapucci
at Protonmeil dot com. That's bo bb Y c ap
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find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore c ap u Cci.
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

(38:44):
On tonight's episode, we're going to talk about Nicholas Tartaglioni
a little bit and how he will not face the
death penalty in his homicide case. Now, Nicholas Tartaglioni, for
those of you who might have forgotten, was the man
who was sharing a cell with Jeffrey Epstein the first
time around. When Epstein allegedly attempted to kill himself. Now,

(39:08):
the question is, why was a man like Nicholas Tartaglioni
in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the first place,
a man who was alleged to have committed some pretty
serious crimes against some pretty serious people over drugs. Does
that sound like the proper cell mate for one of

(39:31):
your most prized inmates. Somebody that you know is a risk,
somebody that you know could be extorted or hurt or
whatever else you want to add into that mix. That's
the guy you want to put into the cell with Epstein. Right,
But somehow this guy who was looking at four homicides

(39:53):
ends up in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein and then
just coincidentally, Epstein decides he's going going to attempt to
kill himself with this guy as his cellmate. Now, before
we get into the article, the updated article from a
couple of weeks ago about Tartaglioni and his current case status,

(40:13):
I wanted to do a quick refresher, So I have
an article from the New York Post, a relatively short
article that details what Epstein told his lawyers and stuff
the day that he allegedly tried to kill himself in
that jail cell, and it certainly doesn't match up with
what the official narrative ended up being. So let's jump

(40:36):
into the first article from the New York Post and
let's see what Bruce Golding and Emily Saul have to say. Headline,
Epstein told lawyers that cell may Nicholas Tartaglioni rouffed them up. Now,
why would Jeffrey Epstein tell his lawyers that he got
ruffed up by this dude? If he didn't, if he was,
if he attempted, if he attempted suicide, like the official

(40:59):
narrative says, then why would he even bring Tartaglioni into it?
And furthermore, Tartaglioni says, well, I've saved his life. Well,
if that's the case, why wouldn't you stop him from
even making the attempt. You're in that little cell together.
You mean to tell me you aren't aware that he
was attempting to kill himself. See, none of it make sense.

(41:19):
And the official narrative that they've pitched to us that
doesn't make sense either. There's never been a proper look
at what went on here as far as the public goes, Oh,
I'm sure that everybody trusts Bill Barr, right, Republicans, Democrats,
everybody loves Darth Barr said nobody. Ever, I certainly have

(41:40):
never trusted Bill Barr, and honestly, I don't know anybody
who does. So. Him telling me that he saw video
or he has confirmed this or that is not very reassuring,
and frankly, I don't believe what he has to say.
Jeffrey Epstein told his lawyers that a hulking ex cop
inflicted the injuries that left him nearly unconscious in his cell.

(42:02):
Last month, A source close to the convicted pedophiles case
told The Post, I mean, how, how isn't there more
being made out of that? When you talk to the
legacy media, you know, you had like the New York
Times article that tried to wrap things up with a nice,
pretty little bow talking about how you know, it's been
solved and there's nothing here. I don't buy any of that, right,

(42:24):
especially this first time around. What happened in this cell
the first time around is even more dodgy than him
dying in the cell alone. You don't just get ruffed
up when you're in a cell with a guy like
tartag Leoni on your own. You didn't just try and
commit suicide all of a sudden. I just don't buy it.
And there has never been a real good or proper

(42:46):
examination into any of this. The footage gets lost, the
cameras aren't turned on. I mean, are you kidding me?
Right now? Epstein was treated for neck injuries following the
July twenty third incident inside the Metropolitan Correctional Center in
Lower Manhattan. Law enforcement officials have said. At the time,
Epstein was sharing a cell with former Westchester County cop

(43:09):
Nicholas Tartaglioni, who faces the death penalty a death penalty
trial in four drug related slayings upstate. Now again, this
dude clipped people over drug trafficking, and the people that
he ended up killing, according to these reports, according to
what prosecutors say, they were operators for the cartel. So

(43:33):
that tells you the kind of serious player that Tartaglioni is.
You don't get involved in something like this as a
trafficker millions of dollars kilo's worth of blow and then
have the audacity to execute operators from the cartel. If
you're not a serious person. Who's capable of serious, serious crimes.

(43:53):
So again I ask you, is this the right guy
to be in a jail cell with Jeffrey Ebstein. Epstein
told his lawyers that the cop roughed them up, and
that's why they got him off Suicide Watch. The sore,
said Tartaglioni's lawyer, Bruce Barkett disputed that account, saying I
spoke to his lawyers and they never hinted at that

(44:15):
to me. But he must have said something to get
off Suicide Watch. Of course he said something. This dude
definitely tuned them up, in my opinion, and I honestly
believe that. I don't think that Epstein had any desire
to kill himself, certainly not at this point. This first attempt.
Now the second attempt or the second time around when
he ended up dying still debatable. I've said it a

(44:38):
million times. I'm not too sure what happened in that cell.
We haven't seen all of the evidence. Can we see
some of the video please. All we're going on is
what the official narrative has given us. And frankly, again
I have little faith in the official narrative. But this
first time around, when he was in the cell with Tartaglioni.
None of that makes sense to me. None of it

(44:59):
has ever made sends to me. And the fact that
it was basically brushed under the rug in the aftermath
of Epstein's death, that doesn't make sense to me either.
I do know that Nick was not brought up on
any charges at all in the institution, so they cleared him.
Bark It said, Oh well, that's nice, you know, because

(45:20):
the institution is just the infallible institution. They cleared him
because they didn't want to deal with it, right, more
egg on their face. Oh man, now we got to
deal with this shit. Epstein gets assaulted by this idiot
we put in the cell with him. And meanwhile, another
thing about Tartaglioni, which is crazy, is a few weeks
before he was even put into the cell with Jeffrey Epstein,

(45:41):
they found a contraband cell phone in this dude's cell.
So you get moved to a better environment, meaning off
the main line, and put into a cell with Jeffrey Epstein.
For what reason. The dude should have been in solitary
confinement by himself if he was found with contra band,
But somehow he ends up in this cell with Jeffrey Epstein,

(46:03):
and there's still again no logical explanation for any of that.
It's simply patently false to say that Epstein did anything
other than to try to kill himself at least twice
and succeeded. When he succeeded, Barket added, we were a
little worried that we would make up something to get
out of suicide watch or try and argue for Bell,

(46:24):
But it's pretty clear what happened given the end result here.
Oh yeah, pretty clear what happened anything to get your
client off right, And now that we know that Tartaglioni
is not even going to face the death penalty, it's
probably a good thing that they fought this because he
could have got stuck with another charge here if he
was found at fault. But I highly doubt that anyone

(46:46):
even investigated it. Remember, Tartaglioni didn't decide to put himself
into the jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. The administrators of
the facility did. Who made that call? Can we talk
to that person? Can that person get put under oath
in front of Congress? Can we have real examinations of
what went on here? Or No. The revelation came as

(47:07):
Manhattan Federal Judge Richard Berman, who was overseeing the child
sex trafficking case against Epstein, released a Monday letter to
MCC's Warden, in which he said that what happened on
July twenty third remained an open question and it still
does even Berman, the judge, says it was an open question.
So where are all of these hard charging reporters that

(47:31):
are all over the place allegedly how about you dig
into this part of the story. To my knowledge, it
has never been definitively explained what the Bureau of Prisons
concluded about that incident. Berman wrote, absolutely right. In a
response dated that same day, Warden, Lemene and Die said

(47:53):
that an internal investigation was completed, but noted that current
investigations by the FBI and the Justice depart I'm in
office of Inspector General will include this incident as well. Yeah,
did it. Let me ask you a question, with that
great report by the New York Times, did it include
anything about TARTAGLIONI. It certainly didn't, And I asked the
author at the time about that too. Of course, you know,

(48:15):
never get anywhere with it. It's it's just almost laughable
at this point, because if I don't laugh about it, it
will be completely frustrating the way they go about it.
There are certain things in this story that need to
be exposed, and this is certainly one of them. This
whole entire episode here of Tartaglioni in the jail cell

(48:38):
with Epstein is just so out of control. Accordingly, I
cannot divulge any information about the prior investigation at this time.
And I said, and remember he told that to the judge.
It wasn't like someone asked him, you know, at a
press conference, Hey can you tell us about what happened

(48:58):
with Tartaglioni. This is the judge asking, and he says, nah, sorry,
there's an investigation under way, the same excuse they use
all the time when they don't want you to know
what's going on. On Tuesday, Attorney General William Barr ordered
the removal of Ndie from his post at the MCC
after ripping the serious irregularities at this facility during a

(49:19):
speech the previous day in New Orleans. Oh yeah, you know,
because Bill Barr is so great at his job. How
did it work out for everybody? With that moron running
the show. All right, So now that we have the
refresher course of what Tartaglioni's role is here and the
question asked why he was in the cell with Epstein,

(49:39):
let's jump into this next article from the Lowhood. And
this is a paper from Westchester County, New York, the
Lower Hudson Valley. And this is an article that was
authored by Jonathan Bandler headline Lawyers hopeful Nicholas Tartaglioni won't
face death penalty as trial set and hum side case.

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Twelve times since last March, the US Department of Justice
has reversed course and notified accused killers they would no
longer face the death penalty. And I'm not really too
big on the death penalty, to be honest with you.
Unless there's overwhelming evidence, of course, then for sure. But
I just think that there's way too many instances of

(50:24):
their being shoddy evidence when it comes to something as
serious as taking someone's life. But when you look at
cases like this and the evidence is overwhelming, I honestly
think that this is the perfect example of what a
death penalty case should be. Multiple homicides, multiple people murdered.
Dude's next copy knows better. So I would think long

(50:47):
and hard if I was the one passing the sentence
here or dropping the judgment on him, if we were
talking about the death penalty, definitely somebody that, in my opinion,
you would have to at least entertain the possibility. That
is a promising sign for opponents of capital punishment, but
a far cry from the end of the federal death

(51:09):
penalty they had expected when Joe Biden became president. The
piecemeal approach offers a glimmer of hope for Nicholas Tartaglioni,
the ex police officer charged in White Plains federal court
in the killing of four men in Orange County in
twenty and sixteen. So I guess when you're staring at
a death sentence, any kind of hope is good. I

(51:32):
can't imagine sitting there every day wondering what your fate's
gonna be. But also I would never kill anybody and
find myself sitting in a jail cell anyway. So there's that.
Tartaglioni's trial has finally been scheduled for March twenty twenty three,
nearly seven years after the quadruple homicide, but it could
be moved up if the defense succeeds in getting the

(51:54):
Department of Justice to reverse course on the death penalty.
So he's being charged with the death penalty. Now the
question is is that death penalty going to stick or
is he just gonna end up getting life in prison
because I highly doubt he's going to get off considering
the evidence that they have, I highly highly doubt he's

(52:14):
going to get off. The lead defense lawyer, Bruce Barkett,
has declined to reveal any details of the defense case
for why his client Sho should not face capital punishment,
just as he was mum four years ago when a
similar similar effort failed under the Trump administration. Tartaglioni was
a retired Briarcliff mat or cop who had also worked

(52:37):
in Yonkers, Mount Verning and Pauling. So he's from my
neck of the woods. And I've told the story before
on the podcast, But one of my uncles was actually
friendly with Tartaglioni's brother growing up, and they used to
call him Tat tat in the neighborhood. Now, I wish
I had more to give you, but that's all my
uncle really had. They weren't like, you know, super close

(52:59):
or anything, just like neighborhood friends. But it's a small world,
isn't it. And when I first was looking at this
case and you saw this part of it, I just
shook my head considering where this guy was from. I mean,
it's crazy. I know a lot of cops that work
in Yonkers, and for the most part, they're all really
good people. So just doesn't shock me though to see

(53:24):
a cop involved in something like this. Unfortunately, there's always
good and there's always bad, no matter what the profession is.
And some people like Tartaglioni, they get things a bit
twisted up in their head and they think that they're
above the law when they're supposed to be enforcing the law.
He was arrested in December twenty sixteen, eight months after

(53:47):
four men disappeared from a bar in Chester in Orange
County that was run by Tartaglioni's brother. The day after
his arrest, the bodies of Martin Luna, Miguel Luna, Orbano Santiago,
and Hector Gutiadas were discovered by the FBI and State
police on property Tartaglioni had been renting at the time

(54:07):
of the disappearance. So you see about the evidence here right,
pretty grim when you're talking about against Tartaglioni. You know,
you get these bodies are found on your property that
you're renting after being at a bar that your brother owns.
It doesn't look good for you, doesn't look too good
for you at all. Tartaglioni is charged with conspiracy to

(54:30):
sell cocaine and kidnapping and murder and furtherance of the conspiracy.
Now what's interesting is if Tartaglioni gets convicted of this,
which I think he will, he's gonna have to hit
the federal line. And A he's an ex cop, so
that's a mark against him. B If he you know,
if he did clip these people, which it looks like

(54:52):
he did. These are cartel operatives, so you know that
the cartel hasn't forgotten that Tartaglioni was trying to steal
their blow, you know, trying to get in on their action.
So they're going to have access to him in whatever
federal facility he ends up in, if it ends up
federal or even if it's in New York, they definitely
have a way to reach out and touch you. So

(55:14):
you got to think that Tartaglioni, you'll get p sed
up if and when his prison sentence starts. According to
the prosecutors, Martin Luna had owed money for a drug deal.
He was lured to the Liquid Lounge on April eleventh,
twenty sixteen, and brought with him his nephew Miguel, his
niece's fiance Santiago, and family friend Gutiadas, none of whom

(55:38):
had anything to do with the drug deal. Well, that's
questionable at best, Right, you're going there for a drug deal.
What do you think he's bringing you there for. Obviously
he was probably bringing these dudes there for muscle, right,
But still does that mean they deserve to get killed
over a drug deal gone bad? Absolutely not. And anybody
who is capable of killing people over drugs is most

(56:01):
certainly capable of assaulting a guy like Jeffrey Epstein in
a confined environment like a jail cell. No boss et
plus turns conditions place he wus fifty details at the bar.
Prosecutors alleged Tartaglioni strangled Martin Luna with a zip tie
before taking his body to the property. His co conspirators

(56:22):
brought the others there where each of the three were
shot in the head. Prosecutors accused Tartaglione of shooting one
of the men. Biden's campaign pledged to end capital punishment
at the federal level, has so far not led to
an administration policy. Yeah, there's been a whole lot of that. Huh. Unfortunately,
when we had the changeover from Trump to Biden, didn't

(56:43):
I tell you, folks, it's going to be the same old,
same old. Don't expect these radical changes, because that's not
how it works. Those who were in power, the very
few who were in control, they're still going to be
in control no matter who the president is. Last summer,
Attorney General Merrick Garland, another failure, issued a moratorium on

(57:03):
federal executions while a review of Trump administration death penalty
protocol changes was ongoing. But there has been no blanket
policy on emptying federal death row or seeking the death
penalty and pending in future cases. Like I said earlier,
I think that we have to be very very careful
when it comes to sentencing somebody to death, And if

(57:26):
the Biden administration is taking their time to review this,
I think that's a good idea. Take as much time
as you need to review something as serious as this.
It looks like Garland is trying to fix the death penalty.
It doesn't look like he's trying to end the death penalty,
said Robert Dunham, director of the Death Penalty Information Center
in Washington, DC. He pointed to conflicting signals that make

(57:49):
it difficult to predict where the DOJ is headed. And
you see that a lot with the Department of Justice
in general, a lot of conflicting signals. You don't know
which way they're going to go. One person comes in
and you have a drastic change. Then the next person
comes in, they change it. There's no consistent consistency and
certainly no equity in the law. On the one hand,

(58:14):
prosecutors have opted not to seek the death penalty in
some recent cases. One involved the killing of a law
enforcement officer in California, a case in which the Trump
DOJ would have likely sought the death penalty. On the
other hand, the DOJ is still defending death sentences on appeal. Well,
they have to. What are they going to do if
it's on appeal. They can't just drop all of those

(58:34):
appeals in the middle of the cases. They'll get absolutely
fried by the media and pundits and people looking to
score political points. Well, one percent, you can't just drop
that stuff on appeal. You have to see it through.
And let's be honest, a lot of the people who
we're talking about here are pretty bad people for the
most part. Now, don't get me wrong. There's definitely some

(58:55):
innocent people who get caught up and end up on
death row. And that for me is enough to be
very very guarded and very strict about the death penalty
and who gets it. Cassandra sub Stubbs, director of the
Capital Punishment Project at the American Civil Liberties Union, said
the moratorium at the gradual and the gradual about face

(59:17):
on seeking the death penalty or a good start, but
the lack of more extensive policy decisions is frustrating. It's
encouraging that it's moving in the right direction, she said.
The discouraging piece is while it's a significant number, it's
only half of the pending cases. The DOJ's withdrawal of
the of the twelve notices of intent came in nine

(59:38):
cases spread out around the country, in states that have
the death penalty and those that don't. So again, whenever
you get a new regime that comes in, they go
over everything that the previous regime did with a fine
tooth comb, and more times than not they get rid
of a lot of policies and institute their own. It's

(01:00:00):
just what happens when people get elected. While there is
no clear common thread, one possible pattern does not bode
well for Tartaglioni. None of the other cases involved more
than two victims, and that's a big deal. I think
that's a huge deal. Honestly, when you have multiple victims,
we're talking serial killer here type shit, right, what is
it more than three murders or whatever spread out during

(01:00:22):
a certain period of time for a serial killer. But
the point stands, if you've got three or four bodies
under your belt, that's definitely not a good look for
a jury or people who are going to decide your fate.
Tartaglionis is one of six death penalty cases of the
twenty three still pending that have at least four victims.

(01:00:42):
Barkett would not say whether the defense has offered new
details related to Tartaglioni, or whether they are relying on
similarities to any of the other with John cases to
convince the government. Well, maybe you should give them some
evidence about Jeffrey Epstein. Maybe you should talk about that
a little bit. Nicholas Tartaglioni. And I'm real interested to

(01:01:03):
see what kind of sentence he gets here. If he
gets a soft sentence, boy, that's gonna set some people off,
I'll tell you that much. It is possible that they
are citing the harsh conditions of pre trialed attention Tartaglioni
faced at the troubled Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan.

(01:01:23):
Life saving efforts by Tartaglioni when he was in law
enforcement are almost certainly part of the defense mitigation efforts,
and his lawyers could be including details of when Tartaglioni
shared a cell with financier, pedophile and accused sex trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, boy, that would be interesting, wouldn't it.
That would be real interesting, wouldn't it. I wonder what

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he has to share about that. Barkett has said that
Tartaglioni intervened during Epstein's failed suicide attempt in July twenty nineteen.
Tartaglioni was no longer his cellmate when Epstein's exceeded in
killing himself the following month. Now, again, why was tartag
Leoni in that jail cell. Was he put there to

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send a message to Jeffrey Epstein, Look, bro, if you
don't kill yourself, this is what you have to look
forward to the whole entire time you're in jail, So
you better fucking kill yourself. And then, knowing that he'd
get moved out of the cell, he just denied that
he ever did anything. That's certainly a scenario that has
legs in my opinion, it certainly is a scenario that
bears the weight of the facts, and short of any

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other evidence being provided or quality theories being provided, that's
what I'm working with right now. This dude definitely was
in there to rough Jeffrey Epstein up or ended up
roughing Jeffrey Epstein up for whatever reason. But to think
that this guy is some kind of hero who stepped
in to save Epstein's life while he was trying to

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kill himself is just ridiculous. US District Judge With Carris
was adamant during a conference last month that Tartaglioni's trial
would begin next March at the latest. Barkett assured him
that the effort to complete the de authorization package would
not distract the defense team from moving forward on other

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pre trial motions. To Caris, the defense and prosecutors reached
agreement on the schedule leading up to the trial, but
they differed on how long of a break they should
have between the guilt phase and the penalty phase if
Tartaglioni is convicted of any of the death eligible charges.
Prosecutors wanted a week. The defense sought up to four weeks.

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So they'll probably split the baby and it'll probably end
up being two weeks. That's what we saw during the
lead up to the Maxwell trial, and it seems to
be the way these things work. The judge usually splits
the baby here and they'll get half of what they want.
It appeared Caris might disappoint both sides. He said he

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was inclined to start a penalty phase a day or
two after the initial verdict, worried that a longer break
would be unfair to the jurors. Well, that's what he
wants and what he's saying he wants. But like I said,
I wouldn't be shocked to see this end up ten
fourteen days, you know, between the two. So we'll have
to see and we'll continue to follow it because, like
I said earlier, I think this is a portion of

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the situation with Epstein in the MCC at that jail
cell that needs more discussion, needs to be looked at
in a more clinical fashion with a surgical type of
eye because there is no excuse or reason that anyone
has presented to me as to why Epstein should be

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sharing a cell with Nicholas TARTAGLIONI. All Right, folks, that's
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