November 24, 2025 • 28 mins
In her deposition in the defamation lawsuit filed by Virginia Giuffre against Ghislaine Maxwell, Johanna Sjoberg described being recruited to work for Jeffrey Epstein under the impression that it was a legitimate job opportunity. According to her testimony, she was initially hired to help with office work but was soon asked to give massages to Epstein—something she testified quickly evolved into inappropriate and unwanted conduct. Sjoberg stated that Ghislaine Maxwell played a central role in managing the household and was often present during these encounters, contributing to the atmosphere of control and pressure. Her deposition supported claims made by Giuffre and other women who alleged they were misled into situations where they were exploited.
Sjoberg also testified about interactions with well-known individuals while in Epstein’s company, including an allegation involving Prince Andrew, which she said took place at Epstein’s residence. She described an incident in which Maxwell, Epstein, and others were present during a moment she considered inappropriate and unsettling. While the full extent of those interactions remains the subject of legal scrutiny and public interest, Sjoberg’s deposition contributed to the broader pattern of allegations suggesting a tightly controlled environment where young women were manipulated under false pretenses. Her account was one of several that added weight to the claims being investigated in both civil and criminal proceedings surrounding Epstein and Maxwell.
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Sjoberg also testified about interactions with well-known individuals while in Epstein’s company, including an allegation involving Prince Andrew, which she said took place at Epstein’s residence. She described an incident in which Maxwell, Epstein, and others were present during a moment she considered inappropriate and unsettling. While the full extent of those interactions remains the subject of legal scrutiny and public interest, Sjoberg’s deposition contributed to the broader pattern of allegations suggesting a tightly controlled environment where young women were manipulated under false pretenses. Her account was one of several that added weight to the claims being investigated in both civil and criminal proceedings surrounding Epstein and Maxwell.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
off with a Johanna Schoberg deposition. So let's get right
back to it, shall we. Manager, Do you recall a
meeting with her in about two thousand and six when
she was in town for some helicopter training? Answer? I
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do recall that. Manager. Do you recall giving her some
massages during that period? Answer yes? Manager. Do you remember
going out to dinner with her and to a movie? Answer?
I remember to a movie. I don't remember if we
went to dinner. I remember her cooking dinner. That was
another way she impressed me. She knew how to cook
like a chef. She had done some culinary training. Manager,
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and you guys had a normal type conversation. Answer Yes,
it was very fun. Mcaulay objection, Manager, I would like
to take about a five to ten minute break. If
that's okay. They go to a break, and then they're
back at eleven twenty five. Right back at it, manager, Hi,
I believe when we left off, I was asking you
about massages that you gave to Glane. Did Glenn pay
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you when she got a massage? From you. Answer yes, Manager,
do you know how much she paid you? Answer? I
believe it was two hundred It was the going rate manager,
the same you were getting paid by Jeffrey. Correct answer, yes, Manager,
Glane was not present when you were giving massages to Jeffrey.
Correct McCauley, objection Schoberg correct, Menager. At some point Jeffrey
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became more aggressive with you correct answer correct McCauley objection, Manager,
And what does that mean to you? Become more aggressive? Answer?
He was pressuring me to do more than I was
comfortable with doing, Menager. Is that what ultimately caused you
to leave working for Jeffrey? Answer? What caused me to
leave was when it was made public what I was doing, Menager,
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What do you mean by that? Answer? Well, after I
had spoken with the police, report the police, and there
was a police report, I did not realize that was
public knowledge journalists would get a hold of. So at
one point the news Channel twelve showed up on my
door asking me questions, Manager, when Jeffrey was pressuring you
to do more than you felt comfortable with? Did you
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observe him being more aggressive in general outside of the
massage context. McCauley objection show Burg. No, Menager, do you
know whether he was taking any type of steroids? Answer no, Menager.
Did you ever see him wearing a patch or something
like that? Show Burg? I don't recall, Menager. Did you
tell anyone that Jeffrey was becoming more aggressive with you
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contemporaneous with when it was happening? McCauley objection. Witness No, Menager,
when Jeffrey asked you to do other things besides a
normal massage, did he offer to pay you additionally? Answer yes, Menager?
How much? Answer one hundred dollars extra? Can I clarify, Menager? Absolutely, answer,
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he didn't never say he would pay me more, but
when the massage was more than just a massa and
it was sexual, then he would pay me more. Menager.
It wasn't a discussion, it's just what happened. Answer correct, manager.
Thank you for clarifying. The things that took place with
you and Jeffrey behind closed doors were when you were
a consenting adult. Correct answer yes, McCauley objection. Witness correct, menager,
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And you did not have knowledge of what took place
with other women behind closed doors and Jeffrey. Correct. McCauley
objection witness, correct, Menager. Do you recall ever giving an
interview to a reporter from the Mail on Sunday? Answer yes, Manager,
you told that reporter. I believe that the police report
painted a picture that it was a big orgy all
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the time, but it wasn't. Answer what I saw. I
did not see anything out in the open sexually me personally. Menager. Right,
you did not see orgies happening in the pool, for example.
Answer no, Menager, you did not see people engaging in
sexual conduct in the open areas of the home correct
answer right, McCauley objection, Menager. When you became aware of
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the allegations against Jeffrey, those came as a surprise to you.
Correct McCauley objection witness, correct, Menager. And the surprise was
that it involved underage girls making that allegation. Correct McCauley
objection witness, Correct, Menager. You were asked some questions with
Ms McCauley about nude photographs that were present in the
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home or the homes. Answer yeah, Manager in Palm Beach,
I believe you said there were some in the room
where the massage table was. Answer yes, manager, Can you
tell me what you recall seeing answer it wasn't candid photos.
They were all like staged answer like a model. Answer yes,
and my I don't recall necessarily knowing any of the
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people in those photos. I remember at one point there
was a photo of myself. But manager, were they fully
frontally nude or were they staged like with you know,
parts of the body showing? Answer I really only remember
topless photos. I don't remember full frontal photos menagers, so
exposing the breasts but not the genitals. Answer not that
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I recall. And Glayne's bathroom, I believe there was a
photo of her topless or a painting. Menager a painting answer,
uh huh, Menager. Did you see any nude or semi
clad photos of young girls? Answer no, Menager, preteens for example.
Answer no, menager, something you would consider a child pornography?
Answer never, Menager. Other than in the bathroom or the
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massage room at the pom Beach Home, do you recall
any other place in the pom Beach Home where you
saw any of these topless photos of women? Answer? I
remember there being photos everywhere, and the ones that stick
out in my memory are the ones. There was a
photo of Glaine with the Pope. It would not surprise
me if there were naked photos around. I just didn't
retain them in my memory. Menager. So when you say
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there were photos everywhere, you mean just photos in general. Answer? Yes,
they had a lot of photos around the house. McCauley objection, Menager,
And Glaine was not topless in a photo with the Pope,
just so I'm clear. Answer correct, Menager. I just want
to make sure that we get that record really clear.
So you recall there being photos everywhere, You just remember
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a couple sticking out and your brain as being topless.
Answer yes, Menager. And the walls on the staircase to
the upstairs were not just covered with nude photographs to
your recollection. Answer to my recollection, I just I don't remember. Menager.
Did you observe what you would consider to be child
pornography on any computer in the home? Answer no, Manager.
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Did you observe anyone taking photographs of young girls in
the home? Answer no, Menager. The photograph of yourself that
you saw, was that something that you had posed for? Answer?
Not like professionally. But I was just sitting and I
believe Jeffrey took the photo. I was just sitting on
a couch upstairs in the bathroom, Menager. It wasn't taken
by a hidden camera. Answer no, No, I was smiling
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in the picture, Menager. And likewise, in the New York Home,
did you see anything you described as a large painting
or a photograph that was in the massage room? Answer yes, Menager.
Do you recall any other pictures of semi clad or
naked females? Answer I don't recall, Menager, anything that you
would consider to be child pornography that you saw in
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the New York Home. Answer no, Menager. And likewise in
New Mexico, answer I don't recall, Menager. Do you recall
seeing any semi clad photos in New Mexico at all?
Answer I do not recall, Menager and the Virgin Islands.
Answer yes, in his bathroom master bathroom. Answer and what
do you recall, if anything about that photo? Answer there
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was a photo of me in there, Menager. And again,
was that something that you were okay with? Answer yes, Menager.
Jeffrey Epstein never told you that he knowingly had sexual
contact with an underage girl. Correct McAuley. Objection Schoberg. When
I asked him if the accusations were true, after I
spoke with the police. He said, yes, but they lied
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about their age. Menager, how did that conversation come about? Answer?
He asked me if the police had ever spoken to me?
And I asked him if it was true, menager, and
you were talking about underage girls. Answer correct, Menager, And
he said that he had been lied to by those girls.
Answer yes, menager. Did he say anything else to you
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about it? Answer no? Menager. Did you ask him anything
else about it? Answer no, Menager. Did you attempt to
have any conversation like that with Glenne Maxwell? Answer no. Manager.
I saw one press report that said you had met
Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I did not meet them. No.
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When I spoke about them, it was when I was
massaging him and he would get off. He would be
on the phone a lot of that time, and one
time he said, oh that was Leonardo or oh that
was Kate Blanchett, or or Bruce Willis that kind of thing, manager,
is so name dropping? Answer? Yes, Manager, So you had
not met Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I have not. Manager.
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Would you remember if you had? Answer? I would hope
I would remember. Manager. Did you meet Cameron Diaz? Answer no? Manager.
Bill Clinton answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill Clinton
on the island? Answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill
Clinton in a helicopter being flown by Glenn Maxwell? Answer no, Manager.
Did Glenn Maxwell ever tell you that she had flown
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Bill Clinton in her helicopter? McAuley objection Shoberg, I don't
recall her saying that, Menager, did you ever meet Senator redacted? Answer?
I don't know what he looks like. I might have
answer if I told you that he was from Maine?
Would that stick out in your mind? And just to
add here, they're obviously talking about George Mitchell? Answer it should,
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but I don't recall meeting him. Manager. Do you ever
remember meeting prime minister who'd Barrock from Israel? Answer no? Manager.
Do you recall meeting the prime minister or any prime
minister's answer no, Manager. Any foreign presidents answer no Manager.
Nobel Prize winners answer not to my knowledge. Manager, Naomi
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Campbell answer no. Al Gore answer no. Alan Dershowitz answer no,
Les Wexner answer no. Tom Pritzker answer no. Kevin Spacey
I may have already asked you, but have you met
Kevin Spacey answer no, Manager. Did you meet Governor Bill
Richardson of New Mexico? Answer hm, I want to say
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that he was supposed to come to the dinner when
we were in New Mexico. I don't know if I
met him. I believe that he and Glaine had dinner
separate from myself. Manager Jean Luke Brunell. Answer yes, manager,
you did meet him? Answer yes, Manager, tell me about it.
Answer he was just in the house at one time
in Palm Beach manager socializing answer yes. Manager. Did you
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observe him to be with underage girl? Answer? I don't recall. Menager,
did you give him a massage? Answer I don't think
that I did. I give a lot of guests massages.
I don't remember any of their names, so it could
have been any of those people besides the movie stars. Menager,
you would know? Answer exactly, menager. And did you engage
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in sexual contact with any of the guests for whom
you gave a massage? Answer no. That's why he would
call me for his guests, because I was not comfortable
with the sexual contact. So he still wanted to employ
me as a massage therapist. But it was all normal.
Got to have a little bit of truth sprinkled in
with your lie, right, Menager. So this was just an
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actual conversation that you had. Answer no, But I noticed,
I noticed that I wasn't. I wasn't massaging him less
and less and massaging his guests more. Menager. So there
was a change in the frequency with which you were
giving Jeffrey Epstein massages. Answer right, Menager, and an increase
corresponding to massages were giving to guests. Correct answer yes, Manager,
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Did any of the guests for whom you gave a
massage mentioned that they expected something sexual? Answer no, Manager,
Did they ask you to engage in sexual contact and
you refused? McCauley objection. The witness answers no. Back to menager,
how about Marvin Minsky? Answer I don't know, Manager George
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Lucas answer no. Manager Donald Trump answer no, Did you
ever massage Donald Trump? Answer no, Menager, Sorry, I have
to ask, but did you ever have sex with Alan
Dershowitz in the back of a limousine with Virginia and
Jeffrey President. McCauley objection. The witness absolutely not. Manager. Do
you know who Alan Dershowitz is? Answer? I do manager
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you would remember? Answer I would remember that. Manager. Did
you ever see Virginia Roberts with any of the people
that I just asked you about? Answer no, Manager. Did
Virginia ever talk to you about having been with any
of those people? Ms? McCauley objection, Answer no, Manager. Did
she tell you that she had met any of those people?
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Answer no? All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right there,
and in the next episode we'll pick up where we
left off. All the information that goes with this episode
can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
we're gonna dive right back into the Johanna Schoberg deposition
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and pick up where we left off. Menager, I believe
you saw in the police report a reference to a
friend of Jeffrey named Glenn and his wife. Answer uh huh. Manager,
do you remember them? Answer vaguely, Menager, Tell me what
you remember? Answer I remember they had an apartment in
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on Breaker's Row. I went up there and massaged. It
may have been more than once, but I only really
remember one time. But there was nothing sexual, Menager, neither
with the wife nor with Glenn. Answer right, Menager. Do
you remember the apartment? Answer? I only remember that I
had to carry my massage table up some stairs. Menager,
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So you actually gave the massage on a massage table?
Answer yes, Menager. Does that help you place it in
time as to when that might have occurred? In other words,
did you get your massage license at some point and
a massage table? Mccauleay objection back to Shoburg. Yes, he
bought me my massage table around the time that I
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went to massage school, so it could have been any
time after that. If I thought really hard, I could
remember when I went to school, but I want to
say it's around two thousand and three. Menager. Nothing sexual
happened with Glenn? Answer no, Menager. Did Glenn ask you
to give him a massage on the floor of the home?
Answer I don't recall. Menager. Did you ever discuss Glenn
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with Virginia? Answer to my recollection manager. Did you ever
go to Virginia's home? Answer no, Menager. Do you know
where she lived? Answer no? Manager. Did she talk about it?
Answer not that I remember. Menager. Did you see anything
in your interactions with Virginia that led you to believe
that she was a sex slave. McCauley objection, show burg ancers,
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No menager. Did you see anyone forcing her to remain
in the home? Answer no, menager. Did you see her
look traumatized at some point? McCauley objection, show burg ancers,
No menager. Did you see anything that led you to
believe Virginia Roberts had been trafficked? Sexually trafficked to a
third party? McCauley objection, witness, no menager. Did Virginia ever
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tell you that she had been trafficked? Answer no. McCauley objection. Menager.
Did you hear anyone direct Virginia Roberts to go have
sex with someone? Answer no, menager. Did Jeffrey ever ask
you to go have sex with another person? Answer no manager.
Did Glenn Maxwell ever ask you to go have sex
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with another person? Answer no, menager. Did Glenn Maxwell ever
ask you to give a massage to someone else? Answer
no manager. Did Glenn Maxwell ever ask you to dress
up in any outfits? Answer no manager. Did she ever
buy you an outfit for you to wear in terms
of a sexual profile? Answer no manager. Did she tell
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you what kind of clothes you should buy? Answer no manager.
Did she direct you to go get Brazilian bikini waxes?
Answer no, manager. Did she direct you to go get
your teeth whitened? Answer no, Manager. I would like to
mark as an exhibit. I have no recollection. What number
we're on Exhibit five. The refer to document was marked
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by the court reporter for identification as Shoberg Exhibit five. Menager,
have you seen this article? But answer? It has followed
me everywhere. McCauley, I'm sorry. Can I just ask you
to put the Baits number on the record? Menager? Sure,
it's Baits marked Roberts one one three one through one
one three eight. Menager, what do you mean that it
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has followed you everywhere? Answer? Well, if you google me,
it comes up. Menager. I wanted to just ask you
a couple of questions. On the third page, towards the bottom,
there's a photograph that begins we had a picture taken
and just to orient you, this is in the discussion
around the Prince Andrew meeting you had. Did Prince Andrew
at any other time besides the time you already described
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in your testimony? Answer no, Menager. If you want to
take a look at the paragraph before I ask you
a question. Answer okay, Menager. In that paragraph it describes
that Andrew Virginia sat on the chair, and then Andrew
sat on another chair and you sat on his lap.
McCauley objection, Manager, is that what it says? Answer that's
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what it says, Menager. If you recall telling that to
the reporter? Answer yes, Menager, and this was back in
two thousand and seven or so. Answer yes, manager, as
you sit here today, does that make it? Does that
refresh your recollection that Virginia was sitting in one chair
and you were sitting in another with Andrew? Answer yeah,
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if I said that, then I remember it that way.
I'm just trying to remember whether we were on a
couch or on a chair. I just remember the boob's part,
the hand on the boobs. Manager, I understand that that
part stands out. And I also completely understand if you
don't remember things that happened a long time ago. Answer right, Manager.
I'm just wondering if, having looked at this news article,
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it refreshes your memory that Virginia was sitting in a
different place. Answer in a different chair? Menager? Does it? Answer?
It does? Say that? Does it refresh my memory? Menager, Okay,
that's fine. Answer yeah, sure, manager. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
I'm just asking, did Virginia say anything to you about
how having met Prince andrew before this time in New York?
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McCauley objection. Answer she did not, say, Manager. Did Prince
Andrews say or do anything that led you to believe
that he had met Virginia prior to that time? Answer?
I don't recall. Manager. Did you ever see Al Gore
on the island? Answer no? Manager. Did you ever see
his wife, Tipper Gore on the island? Answer no? Manager.
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What is your understanding of what the lawsuit we are
here today is about? Answer? I understand that Glaine is
calling Virginia a liar, and so Glaine is suing Virginia.
I'm sorry, strike that reverse it right. Virginia is suing
Golaine for defamation. Manager, And do you know what Virginia
said about Glaine? Answer that Glaine recruited her. Menager, Do
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you know anything else that Virginia said about Calaine? Answer
only what was spoken to me. Manager, and I should clarify.
Don't tell me anything your lawyer has conveyed to you.
Answer exactly, that's all I know I've met with Virginia
once last summer Menainger. Okay, tell me about that. Answer
she there was a moderator between us, like an investigator,
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and she was in Palm Beach, and it was about Jeffrey.
It was less about Colaine. I don't remember specifically about
Colaine at all. Menager. So you met with Virginia and
an investigator at the same time, Answer yes, Menager. And
they were what talking to you about Jeffrey in context?
McAuley objection. Shoberg answers, Basically, they were trying to find
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people that would help her get her story out, because
this is when Dershowitz. Dershowitz was saying nothing was happening
and he was calling her a liar, and she was
just trying to find people to back up her story, Menager.
And what did you understand her story to be? Did
she tell you? Answer that she was recruited to give massages,
sexual massages and have sex with people such as Dershowitz
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and Andrew, But I knew none of that at the time, Menager. Right,
did you tell them anything? Did you tell them during
that meeting that you knew of anything about her being
recruited to give sex to either Jeffrey or other people.
McAuley objection, Shoeburg, can you rephrase, Menager, Yes, that wasn't
a very good question. What did you say during this
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meeting with Virginia and her investigator? Answer? Basically that I
believed her, even though I she never spoke to me
specifically about what was going on that once I learned
everything that had happened based on reading the police report,
I believed her side of the story. Menager. And did
she tell you what her side of the story was? Answer?
You know, it's just that she wasn't a liar. That
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you know she was there to have sex with men
that Jeffrey wanted her to sleep with. Menager. Did she
tell you in that meeting who she had sex with?
Answer no, Menager. Did she name any of the famous people? Answer?
Only Dershowitz came up. Menager. Did you too talk about
the incident in New York with the puppet? Answer? I
don't recall, Menager. And you formed this opinion about whether
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she was a liar based on things that you've read
in the police report. Mccauleay objection, Schoberg. I form my
opinion based on my experience in the house, Menager, Okay,
and what experience in the house help you form your
opinion that what Virginia is saying is true? Answer? You
know Jeffrey being open with me about what other girls
did for him, and that I was not one of
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those girls. He was always trying to recruit me, almost
in any way he could, so that I could be
one of them and travel with them and live this
life of luxury, if I only if I only did this.
So after five years of learning what was happening, I
can look back, knowing I only know Virginia for a
very short time. Looking back, I can make assumptions about
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what was required of her. Manager. Did she tell you
how old she was when she started working with Jeffrey?
Answer she didn't. Manager. Did she tell you how long
she had worked with Jeffrey? Answer no? Menager. Have you
read all the things that have been attributed to her
in the press? Answer many of them? McCauley Objection Shoburg,
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I don't know what I've read all of them, but
I've read some Manager in this meeting with Virginia and
the investigator, you said Glenn Maxwell did not come up.
Answer not that, not that I recall. Manager, do you
know the name of the investigator? Answer Valerie rivera menager.
Have you read the statement that Gallann Maxwell issued to
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the press? Answer no, Manager. Do you know what it says?
Answer no, Menager. You said you have read some of
Virginia's statements to the press, but not all of them.
Answer I don't know how many there are. I know
I read something. I don't know if I read them all. Manager.
Have you read her book manuscript? Answer no, McCauley objection. Manager.
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Did she tell you she was writing a book? Answer no, Manager.
Did she tell you she was trying to get a
book deal? McCauley objection. Shoburg answer is no. Manager. Did
she tell you that she hired a ghostwriter? Answer no,
McCauley objection. Manager. Did she tell you she hired a
literary agent? McCauley objection, witness no manager. Did you speak
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with John Connolly? Answer yes, Manager. When did you speak
with John Connolly? Answer he was first calling me, around
the time that everything was coming out in two thousand
and six. I didn't say a lot to him, but
I did say a few things, and I asked him
not to use my name, and he used my name
and then he quoted me as saying things that I
never said. Menager. And do you know who he quoted
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things that you have never said to Answer? I don't
remember the news outlet, No, Manager, so it was published somewhere.
Answer somewhere on the internet. McCauley. Something that you said
to John Connolly got twisted? Answer? Yes, he put words
in my mouth manager, and it was misreported and published.
McCauley objection, Witness, correct Manager. Have you spoken to him lately? Answer? No.
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He called me again at the beginning of last year,
around New Year's last year, but I did not return
his call. Menager. Do you recall what it is he
attributed to you falsely? Answer? It was mostly about how
I felt about certain things. I don't remember specifically what
he said, but he was giving an opinion for me
that I never spoke to him about. Manager and you
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did not hold Answer Well, I can't remember what it was, yeah, Menager. Okay.
Do you know whether Virginia has lied about any of
her experience? McCauley objection the witness. I don't know that
she has lied, Menager. Do you know that she has
told the truth? Answer? As far as I know, she
has Menager. Do you know whether the press is accurately
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reported everything that Virginia has said? McCauley objection, Schoberg, I
don't know, Menager, other than John Connolly and the police.
Who else have you spoken to about your experience? Answer? Well,
the woman from the Deli mal Her name is Lee Menager,
and that's defendants Exhibit five, not defendants exhibit just exhibit five. Correct.
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Answer correct, Menager. Did Wendy Lee or Lay accurately report
your statements? Answer? She did a little bit of embellishment
as well, But the facts are all true, Menager. And
what parts do you believe are embellished? Answer near the
end when she was doing a summary, when she wrote, sure,
I had a good time, but I also think it
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damaged me a bit. I don't recall saying that. And
there's another part in there where she said I said
that I made a deal with the devil, which I
never would have said that the words she used Menager
on page two of eight, it's about even with the
hem of your skirt. Answer, I made a pack with
the devil in exchange for excitement and glamour. I was
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only a college student. I was hard up and foolish
that I never said any of that. I was a
college student. That's true, hard up and foolish. I would
have never called myself foolish. Menager? Were you paid for this? Answer?
I was paid fifteen hundred dollars Menager. And how long
did the interview last? Answer? A couple of hours? Menager?
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Where did it take place? Answer at Cafe Blowed in
the Brazilian Court Hotel in Palm Beach. Manager. Who else
besides Wen d Lee and John Connolly and the police
McCauley objection, Menager and Virginia and the investigator. McCauley objection.
Did you talk to about your experiences? Answer? Family and friends? Menager?
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Did you speak to any other reporters? Answer? I had
other reporters calling me. I avoided most of all their calls.
I had someone coming at me, stalking me. I don't
know who he was. He offered me twenty five thousand
dollars to give a story, and I turned him down. Menager?
Who answer? He shut up in my work multiple times? Menager?
There were other stories printed in the Daily Mail, but
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not by one delay later? Did you see any of
those stories? I'm sorry, let me be a little clearer
they attributed comments to you. Answer I don't recall specifically,
but I feel like I stayed on top of it
and I wasn't surprised when my name was brought up. Menager.
Do you recall giving another interview? Answer no, never. Manager.
Do you recall saying anything that was printed other than
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John Connolly thing that you believe to be an accurate? Answer? No, Menager.
Was there anybody else present when you were interviewing with Wendy?
Answer no? Manager. Was she recording it on a recorder?
Answer yes, Menager. Have you ever heard that recording? Answer no, Menager.
Do you know whether the police were recording their interview
with you? Answer yes, Manager, have you heard that recording?
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Answer no? All right, we're gonna wrap this episode up
right here, and in the next episode we'll pick up
where we left off. All of the information that goes
with this episode can be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
off with a Johanna Schoberg deposition. So let's get right
back to it, shall we. Manager, Do you recall a
meeting with her in about two thousand and six when
she was in town for some helicopter training? Answer? I
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do recall that. Manager. Do you recall giving her some
massages during that period? Answer yes? Manager. Do you remember
going out to dinner with her and to a movie? Answer?
I remember to a movie. I don't remember if we
went to dinner. I remember her cooking dinner. That was
another way she impressed me. She knew how to cook
like a chef. She had done some culinary training. Manager,
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and you guys had a normal type conversation. Answer Yes,
it was very fun. Mcaulay objection, Manager, I would like
to take about a five to ten minute break. If
that's okay. They go to a break, and then they're
back at eleven twenty five. Right back at it, manager, Hi,
I believe when we left off, I was asking you
about massages that you gave to Glane. Did Glenn pay
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you when she got a massage? From you. Answer yes, Manager,
do you know how much she paid you? Answer? I
believe it was two hundred It was the going rate manager,
the same you were getting paid by Jeffrey. Correct answer, yes, Manager,
Glane was not present when you were giving massages to Jeffrey.
Correct McCauley, objection Schoberg correct, Menager. At some point Jeffrey
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became more aggressive with you correct answer correct McCauley objection, Manager,
And what does that mean to you? Become more aggressive? Answer?
He was pressuring me to do more than I was
comfortable with doing, Menager. Is that what ultimately caused you
to leave working for Jeffrey? Answer? What caused me to
leave was when it was made public what I was doing, Menager,
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What do you mean by that? Answer? Well, after I
had spoken with the police, report the police, and there
was a police report, I did not realize that was
public knowledge journalists would get a hold of. So at
one point the news Channel twelve showed up on my
door asking me questions, Manager, when Jeffrey was pressuring you
to do more than you felt comfortable with? Did you
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observe him being more aggressive in general outside of the
massage context. McCauley objection show Burg. No, Menager, do you
know whether he was taking any type of steroids? Answer no, Menager.
Did you ever see him wearing a patch or something
like that? Show Burg? I don't recall, Menager. Did you
tell anyone that Jeffrey was becoming more aggressive with you
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contemporaneous with when it was happening? McCauley objection. Witness No, Menager,
when Jeffrey asked you to do other things besides a
normal massage, did he offer to pay you additionally? Answer yes, Menager?
How much? Answer one hundred dollars extra? Can I clarify, Menager? Absolutely, answer,
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he didn't never say he would pay me more, but
when the massage was more than just a massa and
it was sexual, then he would pay me more. Menager.
It wasn't a discussion, it's just what happened. Answer correct, manager.
Thank you for clarifying. The things that took place with
you and Jeffrey behind closed doors were when you were
a consenting adult. Correct answer yes, McCauley objection. Witness correct, menager,
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And you did not have knowledge of what took place
with other women behind closed doors and Jeffrey. Correct. McCauley
objection witness, correct, Menager. Do you recall ever giving an
interview to a reporter from the Mail on Sunday? Answer yes, Manager,
you told that reporter. I believe that the police report
painted a picture that it was a big orgy all
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the time, but it wasn't. Answer what I saw. I
did not see anything out in the open sexually me personally. Menager. Right,
you did not see orgies happening in the pool, for example.
Answer no, Menager, you did not see people engaging in
sexual conduct in the open areas of the home correct
answer right, McCauley objection, Menager. When you became aware of
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the allegations against Jeffrey, those came as a surprise to you.
Correct McCauley objection witness, correct, Menager. And the surprise was
that it involved underage girls making that allegation. Correct McCauley
objection witness, Correct, Menager. You were asked some questions with
Ms McCauley about nude photographs that were present in the
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home or the homes. Answer yeah, Manager in Palm Beach,
I believe you said there were some in the room
where the massage table was. Answer yes, manager, Can you
tell me what you recall seeing answer it wasn't candid photos.
They were all like staged answer like a model. Answer yes,
and my I don't recall necessarily knowing any of the
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people in those photos. I remember at one point there
was a photo of myself. But manager, were they fully
frontally nude or were they staged like with you know,
parts of the body showing? Answer I really only remember
topless photos. I don't remember full frontal photos menagers, so
exposing the breasts but not the genitals. Answer not that
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I recall. And Glayne's bathroom, I believe there was a
photo of her topless or a painting. Menager a painting answer,
uh huh, Menager. Did you see any nude or semi
clad photos of young girls? Answer no, Menager, preteens for example.
Answer no, menager, something you would consider a child pornography?
Answer never, Menager. Other than in the bathroom or the
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massage room at the pom Beach Home, do you recall
any other place in the pom Beach Home where you
saw any of these topless photos of women? Answer? I
remember there being photos everywhere, and the ones that stick
out in my memory are the ones. There was a
photo of Glaine with the Pope. It would not surprise
me if there were naked photos around. I just didn't
retain them in my memory. Menager. So when you say
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there were photos everywhere, you mean just photos in general. Answer? Yes,
they had a lot of photos around the house. McCauley objection, Menager,
And Glaine was not topless in a photo with the Pope,
just so I'm clear. Answer correct, Menager. I just want
to make sure that we get that record really clear.
So you recall there being photos everywhere, You just remember
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a couple sticking out and your brain as being topless.
Answer yes, Menager. And the walls on the staircase to
the upstairs were not just covered with nude photographs to
your recollection. Answer to my recollection, I just I don't remember. Menager.
Did you observe what you would consider to be child
pornography on any computer in the home? Answer no, Manager.
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Did you observe anyone taking photographs of young girls in
the home? Answer no, Menager. The photograph of yourself that
you saw, was that something that you had posed for? Answer?
Not like professionally. But I was just sitting and I
believe Jeffrey took the photo. I was just sitting on
a couch upstairs in the bathroom, Menager. It wasn't taken
by a hidden camera. Answer no, No, I was smiling
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in the picture, Menager. And likewise, in the New York Home,
did you see anything you described as a large painting
or a photograph that was in the massage room? Answer yes, Menager.
Do you recall any other pictures of semi clad or
naked females? Answer I don't recall, Menager, anything that you
would consider to be child pornography that you saw in
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the New York Home. Answer no, Menager. And likewise in
New Mexico, answer I don't recall, Menager. Do you recall
seeing any semi clad photos in New Mexico at all?
Answer I do not recall, Menager and the Virgin Islands.
Answer yes, in his bathroom master bathroom. Answer and what
do you recall, if anything about that photo? Answer there
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was a photo of me in there, Menager. And again,
was that something that you were okay with? Answer yes, Menager.
Jeffrey Epstein never told you that he knowingly had sexual
contact with an underage girl. Correct McAuley. Objection Schoberg. When
I asked him if the accusations were true, after I
spoke with the police. He said, yes, but they lied
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about their age. Menager, how did that conversation come about? Answer?
He asked me if the police had ever spoken to me?
And I asked him if it was true, menager, and
you were talking about underage girls. Answer correct, Menager, And
he said that he had been lied to by those girls.
Answer yes, menager. Did he say anything else to you
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about it? Answer no? Menager. Did you ask him anything
else about it? Answer no, Menager. Did you attempt to
have any conversation like that with Glenne Maxwell? Answer no. Manager.
I saw one press report that said you had met
Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I did not meet them. No.
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When I spoke about them, it was when I was
massaging him and he would get off. He would be
on the phone a lot of that time, and one
time he said, oh that was Leonardo or oh that
was Kate Blanchett, or or Bruce Willis that kind of thing, manager,
is so name dropping? Answer? Yes, Manager, So you had
not met Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I have not. Manager.
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Would you remember if you had? Answer? I would hope
I would remember. Manager. Did you meet Cameron Diaz? Answer no? Manager.
Bill Clinton answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill Clinton
on the island? Answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill
Clinton in a helicopter being flown by Glenn Maxwell? Answer no, Manager.
Did Glenn Maxwell ever tell you that she had flown
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Bill Clinton in her helicopter? McAuley objection Shoberg, I don't
recall her saying that, Menager, did you ever meet Senator redacted? Answer?
I don't know what he looks like. I might have
answer if I told you that he was from Maine?
Would that stick out in your mind? And just to
add here, they're obviously talking about George Mitchell? Answer it should,
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but I don't recall meeting him. Manager. Do you ever
remember meeting prime minister who'd Barrock from Israel? Answer no? Manager.
Do you recall meeting the prime minister or any prime
minister's answer no, Manager. Any foreign presidents answer no Manager.
Nobel Prize winners answer not to my knowledge. Manager, Naomi
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Campbell answer no. Al Gore answer no. Alan Dershowitz answer no,
Les Wexner answer no. Tom Pritzker answer no. Kevin Spacey
I may have already asked you, but have you met
Kevin Spacey answer no, Manager. Did you meet Governor Bill
Richardson of New Mexico? Answer hm, I want to say
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that he was supposed to come to the dinner when
we were in New Mexico. I don't know if I
met him. I believe that he and Glaine had dinner
separate from myself. Manager Jean Luke Brunell. Answer yes, manager,
you did meet him? Answer yes, Manager, tell me about it.
Answer he was just in the house at one time
in Palm Beach manager socializing answer yes. Manager. Did you
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observe him to be with underage girl? Answer? I don't recall. Menager,
did you give him a massage? Answer I don't think
that I did. I give a lot of guests massages.
I don't remember any of their names, so it could
have been any of those people besides the movie stars. Menager,
you would know? Answer exactly, menager. And did you engage
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in sexual contact with any of the guests for whom
you gave a massage? Answer no. That's why he would
call me for his guests, because I was not comfortable
with the sexual contact. So he still wanted to employ
me as a massage therapist. But it was all normal.
Got to have a little bit of truth sprinkled in
with your lie, right, Menager. So this was just an
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actual conversation that you had. Answer no, But I noticed,
I noticed that I wasn't. I wasn't massaging him less
and less and massaging his guests more. Menager. So there
was a change in the frequency with which you were
giving Jeffrey Epstein massages. Answer right, Menager, and an increase
corresponding to massages were giving to guests. Correct answer yes, Manager,
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Did any of the guests for whom you gave a
massage mentioned that they expected something sexual? Answer no, Manager,
Did they ask you to engage in sexual contact and
you refused? McCauley objection. The witness answers no. Back to menager,
how about Marvin Minsky? Answer I don't know, Manager George
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Lucas answer no. Manager Donald Trump answer no, Did you
ever massage Donald Trump? Answer no, Menager, Sorry, I have
to ask, but did you ever have sex with Alan
Dershowitz in the back of a limousine with Virginia and
Jeffrey President. McCauley objection. The witness absolutely not. Manager. Do
you know who Alan Dershowitz is? Answer? I do manager
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you would remember? Answer I would remember that. Manager. Did
you ever see Virginia Roberts with any of the people
that I just asked you about? Answer no, Manager. Did
Virginia ever talk to you about having been with any
of those people? Ms? McCauley objection, Answer no, Manager. Did
she tell you that she had met any of those people?
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Answer no? All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right there,
and in the next episode we'll pick up where we
left off. All the information that goes with this episode
can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
we're gonna dive right back into the Johanna Schoberg deposition
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and pick up where we left off. Menager, I believe
you saw in the police report a reference to a
friend of Jeffrey named Glenn and his wife. Answer uh huh. Manager,
do you remember them? Answer vaguely, Menager, Tell me what
you remember? Answer I remember they had an apartment in
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on Breaker's Row. I went up there and massaged. It
may have been more than once, but I only really
remember one time. But there was nothing sexual, Menager, neither
with the wife nor with Glenn. Answer right, Menager. Do
you remember the apartment? Answer? I only remember that I
had to carry my massage table up some stairs. Menager,
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So you actually gave the massage on a massage table?
Answer yes, Menager. Does that help you place it in
time as to when that might have occurred? In other words,
did you get your massage license at some point and
a massage table? Mccauleay objection back to Shoburg. Yes, he
bought me my massage table around the time that I
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went to massage school, so it could have been any
time after that. If I thought really hard, I could
remember when I went to school, but I want to
say it's around two thousand and three. Menager. Nothing sexual
happened with Glenn? Answer no, Menager. Did Glenn ask you
to give him a massage on the floor of the home?
Answer I don't recall. Menager. Did you ever discuss Glenn
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with Virginia? Answer to my recollection manager. Did you ever
go to Virginia's home? Answer no, Menager. Do you know
where she lived? Answer no? Manager. Did she talk about it?
Answer not that I remember. Menager. Did you see anything
in your interactions with Virginia that led you to believe
that she was a sex slave. McCauley objection, show burg ancers,
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No menager. Did you see anyone forcing her to remain
in the home? Answer no, menager. Did you see her
look traumatized at some point? McCauley objection, show burg ancers,
No menager. Did you see anything that led you to
believe Virginia Roberts had been trafficked? Sexually trafficked to a
third party? McCauley objection, witness, no menager. Did Virginia ever
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tell you that she had been trafficked? Answer no. McCauley objection. Menager.
Did you hear anyone direct Virginia Roberts to go have
sex with someone? Answer no, menager. Did Jeffrey ever ask
you to go have sex with another person? Answer no manager.
Did Glenn Maxwell ever ask you to go have sex
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with another person? Answer no, menager. Did Glenn Maxwell ever
ask you to give a massage to someone else? Answer
no manager. Did Glenn Maxwell ever ask you to dress
up in any outfits? Answer no manager. Did she ever
buy you an outfit for you to wear in terms
of a sexual profile? Answer no manager. Did she tell
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you what kind of clothes you should buy? Answer no manager.
Did she direct you to go get Brazilian bikini waxes?
Answer no, manager. Did she direct you to go get
your teeth whitened? Answer no, Manager. I would like to
mark as an exhibit. I have no recollection. What number
we're on Exhibit five. The refer to document was marked
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by the court reporter for identification as Shoberg Exhibit five. Menager,
have you seen this article? But answer? It has followed
me everywhere. McCauley, I'm sorry. Can I just ask you
to put the Baits number on the record? Menager? Sure,
it's Baits marked Roberts one one three one through one
one three eight. Menager, what do you mean that it
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has followed you everywhere? Answer? Well, if you google me,
it comes up. Menager. I wanted to just ask you
a couple of questions. On the third page, towards the bottom,
there's a photograph that begins we had a picture taken
and just to orient you, this is in the discussion
around the Prince Andrew meeting you had. Did Prince Andrew
at any other time besides the time you already described
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in your testimony? Answer no, Menager. If you want to
take a look at the paragraph before I ask you
a question. Answer okay, Menager. In that paragraph it describes
that Andrew Virginia sat on the chair, and then Andrew
sat on another chair and you sat on his lap.
McCauley objection, Manager, is that what it says? Answer that's
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what it says, Menager. If you recall telling that to
the reporter? Answer yes, Menager, and this was back in
two thousand and seven or so. Answer yes, manager, as
you sit here today, does that make it? Does that
refresh your recollection that Virginia was sitting in one chair
and you were sitting in another with Andrew? Answer yeah,
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if I said that, then I remember it that way.
I'm just trying to remember whether we were on a
couch or on a chair. I just remember the boob's part,
the hand on the boobs. Manager, I understand that that
part stands out. And I also completely understand if you
don't remember things that happened a long time ago. Answer right, Manager.
I'm just wondering if, having looked at this news article,
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it refreshes your memory that Virginia was sitting in a
different place. Answer in a different chair? Menager? Does it? Answer?
It does? Say that? Does it refresh my memory? Menager, Okay,
that's fine. Answer yeah, sure, manager. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
I'm just asking, did Virginia say anything to you about
how having met Prince andrew before this time in New York?
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McCauley objection. Answer she did not, say, Manager. Did Prince
Andrews say or do anything that led you to believe
that he had met Virginia prior to that time? Answer?
I don't recall. Manager. Did you ever see Al Gore
on the island? Answer no? Manager. Did you ever see
his wife, Tipper Gore on the island? Answer no? Manager.
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What is your understanding of what the lawsuit we are
here today is about? Answer? I understand that Glaine is
calling Virginia a liar, and so Glaine is suing Virginia.
I'm sorry, strike that reverse it right. Virginia is suing
Golaine for defamation. Manager, And do you know what Virginia
said about Glaine? Answer that Glaine recruited her. Menager, Do
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you know anything else that Virginia said about Calaine? Answer
only what was spoken to me. Manager, and I should clarify.
Don't tell me anything your lawyer has conveyed to you.
Answer exactly, that's all I know I've met with Virginia
once last summer Menainger. Okay, tell me about that. Answer
she there was a moderator between us, like an investigator,
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and she was in Palm Beach, and it was about Jeffrey.
It was less about Colaine. I don't remember specifically about
Colaine at all. Menager. So you met with Virginia and
an investigator at the same time, Answer yes, Menager. And
they were what talking to you about Jeffrey in context?
McAuley objection. Shoberg answers, Basically, they were trying to find
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people that would help her get her story out, because
this is when Dershowitz. Dershowitz was saying nothing was happening
and he was calling her a liar, and she was
just trying to find people to back up her story, Menager.
And what did you understand her story to be? Did
she tell you? Answer that she was recruited to give massages,
sexual massages and have sex with people such as Dershowitz
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and Andrew, But I knew none of that at the time, Menager. Right,
did you tell them anything? Did you tell them during
that meeting that you knew of anything about her being
recruited to give sex to either Jeffrey or other people.
McAuley objection, Shoeburg, can you rephrase, Menager, Yes, that wasn't
a very good question. What did you say during this
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meeting with Virginia and her investigator? Answer? Basically that I
believed her, even though I she never spoke to me
specifically about what was going on that once I learned
everything that had happened based on reading the police report,
I believed her side of the story. Menager. And did
she tell you what her side of the story was? Answer?
You know, it's just that she wasn't a liar. That
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you know she was there to have sex with men
that Jeffrey wanted her to sleep with. Menager. Did she
tell you in that meeting who she had sex with?
Answer no, Menager. Did she name any of the famous people? Answer?
Only Dershowitz came up. Menager. Did you too talk about
the incident in New York with the puppet? Answer? I
don't recall, Menager. And you formed this opinion about whether
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she was a liar based on things that you've read
in the police report. Mccauleay objection, Schoberg. I form my
opinion based on my experience in the house, Menager, Okay,
and what experience in the house help you form your
opinion that what Virginia is saying is true? Answer? You
know Jeffrey being open with me about what other girls
did for him, and that I was not one of
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those girls. He was always trying to recruit me, almost
in any way he could, so that I could be
one of them and travel with them and live this
life of luxury, if I only if I only did this.
So after five years of learning what was happening, I
can look back, knowing I only know Virginia for a
very short time. Looking back, I can make assumptions about
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what was required of her. Manager. Did she tell you
how old she was when she started working with Jeffrey?
Answer she didn't. Manager. Did she tell you how long
she had worked with Jeffrey? Answer no? Menager. Have you
read all the things that have been attributed to her
in the press? Answer many of them? McCauley Objection Shoburg,
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I don't know what I've read all of them, but
I've read some Manager in this meeting with Virginia and
the investigator, you said Glenn Maxwell did not come up.
Answer not that, not that I recall. Manager, do you
know the name of the investigator? Answer Valerie rivera menager.
Have you read the statement that Gallann Maxwell issued to
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the press? Answer no, Manager. Do you know what it says?
Answer no, Menager. You said you have read some of
Virginia's statements to the press, but not all of them.
Answer I don't know how many there are. I know
I read something. I don't know if I read them all. Manager.
Have you read her book manuscript? Answer no, McCauley objection. Manager.
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Did she tell you she was writing a book? Answer no, Manager.
Did she tell you she was trying to get a
book deal? McCauley objection. Shoburg answer is no. Manager. Did
she tell you that she hired a ghostwriter? Answer no,
McCauley objection. Manager. Did she tell you she hired a
literary agent? McCauley objection, witness no manager. Did you speak
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with John Connolly? Answer yes, Manager. When did you speak
with John Connolly? Answer he was first calling me, around
the time that everything was coming out in two thousand
and six. I didn't say a lot to him, but
I did say a few things, and I asked him
not to use my name, and he used my name
and then he quoted me as saying things that I
never said. Menager. And do you know who he quoted
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things that you have never said to Answer? I don't
remember the news outlet, No, Manager, so it was published somewhere.
Answer somewhere on the internet. McCauley. Something that you said
to John Connolly got twisted? Answer? Yes, he put words
in my mouth manager, and it was misreported and published.
McCauley objection, Witness, correct Manager. Have you spoken to him lately? Answer? No.
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He called me again at the beginning of last year,
around New Year's last year, but I did not return
his call. Menager. Do you recall what it is he
attributed to you falsely? Answer? It was mostly about how
I felt about certain things. I don't remember specifically what
he said, but he was giving an opinion for me
that I never spoke to him about. Manager and you
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did not hold Answer Well, I can't remember what it was, yeah, Menager. Okay.
Do you know whether Virginia has lied about any of
her experience? McCauley objection the witness. I don't know that
she has lied, Menager. Do you know that she has
told the truth? Answer? As far as I know, she
has Menager. Do you know whether the press is accurately
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reported everything that Virginia has said? McCauley objection, Schoberg, I
don't know, Menager, other than John Connolly and the police.
Who else have you spoken to about your experience? Answer? Well,
the woman from the Deli mal Her name is Lee Menager,
and that's defendants Exhibit five, not defendants exhibit just exhibit five. Correct.
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Answer correct, Menager. Did Wendy Lee or Lay accurately report
your statements? Answer? She did a little bit of embellishment
as well, But the facts are all true, Menager. And
what parts do you believe are embellished? Answer near the
end when she was doing a summary, when she wrote, sure,
I had a good time, but I also think it
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damaged me a bit. I don't recall saying that. And
there's another part in there where she said I said
that I made a deal with the devil, which I
never would have said that the words she used Menager
on page two of eight, it's about even with the
hem of your skirt. Answer, I made a pack with
the devil in exchange for excitement and glamour. I was
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only a college student. I was hard up and foolish
that I never said any of that. I was a
college student. That's true, hard up and foolish. I would
have never called myself foolish. Menager? Were you paid for this? Answer?
I was paid fifteen hundred dollars Menager. And how long
did the interview last? Answer? A couple of hours? Menager?
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Where did it take place? Answer at Cafe Blowed in
the Brazilian Court Hotel in Palm Beach. Manager. Who else
besides Wen d Lee and John Connolly and the police
McCauley objection, Menager and Virginia and the investigator. McCauley objection.
Did you talk to about your experiences? Answer? Family and friends? Menager?
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Did you speak to any other reporters? Answer? I had
other reporters calling me. I avoided most of all their calls.
I had someone coming at me, stalking me. I don't
know who he was. He offered me twenty five thousand
dollars to give a story, and I turned him down. Menager?
Who answer? He shut up in my work multiple times? Menager?
There were other stories printed in the Daily Mail, but
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not by one delay later? Did you see any of
those stories? I'm sorry, let me be a little clearer
they attributed comments to you. Answer I don't recall specifically,
but I feel like I stayed on top of it
and I wasn't surprised when my name was brought up. Menager.
Do you recall giving another interview? Answer no, never. Manager.
Do you recall saying anything that was printed other than
(28:16):
John Connolly thing that you believe to be an accurate? Answer? No, Menager.
Was there anybody else present when you were interviewing with Wendy?
Answer no? Manager. Was she recording it on a recorder?
Answer yes, Menager. Have you ever heard that recording? Answer no, Menager.
Do you know whether the police were recording their interview
with you? Answer yes, Manager, have you heard that recording?
(28:40):
Answer no? All right, we're gonna wrap this episode up
right here, and in the next episode we'll pick up
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