Mega Edition: My Interviews With Maria Farmer (11/23/25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When what's up everyone, And welcome to the Epstein Chronicles Tonight.
I am joined by a very special guest, and that
guest is Maria Farmer. Hey, Maria, how you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hi Bobby, I'm doing well. How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Oh, I'm doing fantastic. It's great to talk to you
again here on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's great to It's great to
reach out because I'm not on Twitter anymore and I
miss a lot of my friends from there, so it's
nice to be able to communicate with them. I have
had my health has been a little bit up and
down lately, and I wanted to bring something up super
fast in case, you know whatever. It's something that anyone
ever encounters, and that's that lymphoma and many cancers are

(00:45):
very slow growing, and that means, for one thing, you
can do something about them, right. And the sad part
is doctors don't really do anything until it has become
a real problem the cancer, right. And so usually, like
when they list Hodgkins lymphoma, they list one of the
symptoms of being weight loss that doesn't happen until like

(01:07):
the end stage of Hodgkins lymphoma, when you're dying and
so I don't really appreciate that that that's like one
of the symptoms. But anyway, what I was going to
say is that I've just been suffering lymphoma symptoms again.
And basically there are a lot like allergies. And I'm
not trying to scare people, but if you've had this
for years where it seems like you get these random
allergic and also sometimes you think maybe it's your syroid,

(01:29):
it could be lymphoma and you need to get it checked.
And I just I just wanted people to know that
because I never got that message, you know. In fact,
I went to doctors and told them that my grandmother
died of lymphoma and that I had these swollen lymph
nodes and maybe I should check them. And they said, oh,
don't be a hypochondriac. You look great, you look good.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, And you know that doesn't always tell the story,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Because no, it doesn't all.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, Carrie was sick and she was in fantastic shape. Yeah,
you would have never known, you know, inside the body,
it's a whole different story.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Mm hmm. That's absolutely true. And yeah, so basically the
things have been going on for me aside from you know,
the health have been just trying to kind of unearth
a little deeper what this link these people together, you know,
the Black Book fuckers. Sorry, that's what they are. And

(02:24):
I'm trying. I'm trying to discern through other survivors and
through my experience, and basically what we have is a
cluster f you know, it's a big cluster. And they've
all known each other for ages, for incredibly a long time,
and I don't know, it just feels like, basically this

(02:45):
is a group unless we start naming like specific names
from the Black Book, because no one's doing it, and
no one's really naming the players. And there's one woman
I'd like to mention, and I got her name wrong
the other day when I was on Abbie's show, and
her her name was Amelia Young Yo you and T
and she did she We believe she's no longer alive.

(03:07):
Her family had a memorial for her. She's a victim
of SD and Y and she's also a victim of
this group. And many many things happened to Amelia from
within this group. And there's an interesting player in this
group who was also stunningly beautiful model, and her name
is Josie Moran and Josie Moran. We don't really know

(03:30):
her role. We don't know if she was a recruiter
or if she was just a beautiful victim as well,
but she was these She was introducing Amelia to the
men she dated, and then she was introducing them Amelia
to people like Harvey Weinstein and Amelia back in she
told the SD and why this. In two thousand and six,

(03:51):
she let them know that Harvey Weinstein had raped her
and it caused some serious issues for Amelia. She started
using drugs. This is a very common pattern for people
who've suffered this. But if people could look up Amelia Yan,
she's one of the most beautiful, just beautiful people I've
ever seen in my life. There's a picture of her

(04:12):
that a woman who's like a fake survivor who never
met Jeffrey Epstein or Gelen Maxwell. She goes by Kirby Summers.
She uses Amelia's picture for one of her accounts. She's
using a dead victim's picture to pretend like she's a victim,
or she pretends like it's some other, you know, account,

(04:33):
because she has all these accounts right that she uses
to harass real victims on there, and I was one
of them. I was harassed and it was an insufferable experience,
and I decided I don't need that experience in my life,
and so I'm not on Twitter. But anyway, the reason
I brought up this group is because Amelia died about

(04:54):
a year ago, and it was a great loss. She
was a great artist and she was a victim of
this pedophile ring. So they didn't just take advantage of children.
They took advantage of very beautiful, very young women, and
Amelia was one of them. And another person that they

(05:14):
took great advantage of is George Tonks. And so the
reason I've been kind of trying to tie all these
people together is because of Wexner.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah. And when you say and when you say they,
you're you're talking about the group that was, you know,
basically at a heart of all of this, right, correct.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
So Yeah, So when I say they, I mean the
people are reported to the FBI in nineteen ninety six,
such as Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Gilan Maxwell,
Alan Durshwitz. What were these people? What was going on? Right?
And Les Wexner being the main person that I reported
Les Wexner has completely skated on everything. He just keeps

(05:58):
sliding by, just like a snake. He slithers by and
no one does the thing about it. Meanwhile, he's been
abusing and raping children since the eighties. And I can
comfortably say this because I know two of the children.
One was a little girl and one was a little boy.
The little boy was in the eighties and the girl
was in the nineties. Okay, so what is the deal

(06:20):
with this man? And why what position does he hold
in our government? Bobby? You know, why is he protected?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, I'll tell you what it's like the rest of these.
You know, one of the the buzzword lately is oligarch. Right, Well,
we have our own oligarchs here in America, and less
Wester is certainly one of them. So he is no
different than you would see with an oligarch overseas, except
he's more soft, gloved and private about it. And his
own friends here at Las Stateside, at the in the

(06:49):
legacy media over at you know, Pravda on the Potomac,
you know, Washington Post. Places like that. They don't have
they don't have interest in going after people like Wexner,
because then the money stops, and we all know that
it's all at the end of the day, if you
follow the bag, you're going to end up in some
politicians office, just like if you follow the money on
the street, you're gonna end up at some drug dealer.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Right. That's right. Well, that's interesting because it seems to
go full circle because these people, also Wexner in the eighties.
One thing that they did is they would recruit this
man Kramer, a good friend of his who was also
in the retail industry. Alan Kramer and Les Wexner would
have people recruited from like bus stops. We're talking children.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
And indigent people who can't be traced and who have
no family, who are the most vulnerable in society, the
typical mo of these people.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
That's right, that's what they've done all along. I was
one of them, and so is George Tonks, and so
was Amelia Young. And Amelia the interesting thing that I
brought up this I was confused about her name before
because there was an Amelia Young mentioned in the court
case in our in our in the Geeland Maxwell case.
Did they mean Amelia? Because I cannot find anyone that's

(08:01):
an Amelia Young that's related to this case.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'll take a look in my notes and all that
over overlook all that stuff. I mean, I have thousands
and thousands of pages of notes at this point. So
I'll take a look and see if anything has come
up in my investigations with that name as well, and
i'll let you know for sure.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Okay, great, thank you. You know, it's interesting because here
I am sick right with cancer, and here I am
an artist. Funny, so the Wexners pretend that they are,
that they are benefactors of both artists and sick people,
especially women. Abigail Wexner has their name on all these

(08:41):
hospitals for women, and I just think they should volunteer
to take care of me. Not that I would trust them,
but I'm just saying, I think it's interesting that, you know,
they've kept me in a position where I can't I
don't even have treatment right now, and I don't I
don't have insurance. But this woman, these people who feign
to care much about human trafficking, they care so much.

(09:02):
They're so sorry that I was trafficked there. No, they're not,
prove it. Prove you're sorry, Wexner and Abigail. You know,
I'm going to read something to you. Abigail Wexner has
promoted domestic violence and sexual abuse awareness, and yet a
charity fund she created only took one donation forty seven
million from Jeffrey Epstein, and then she closed that charity right.

(09:24):
Both she and her husband declined to comment questions surrounding
Wexner and the foundation that they funded. I just find
that really interesting that she's able to continue to skate
and she's preventing the wrestlers from getting any compensation from
they were raped the year that I was assaulted at
her estate.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, Mark Coleman and the group of Ohio state wrestlers
who came forward very bravely, because we all know the
stigma on men and boys who come forward. We know
that that's, you know, not what you're supposed to do.
But for these big alpha males to come forward like
that and to say and to come out out on
the record and talk about what happened, you have to
really take what they're saying seriously. And I don't think

(10:04):
enough people did.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
No, they did not take it seriously. It was swept
under the rug. Abigail has continued to make sure that
they don't get any compensation for their suffering. Why is
she so interested in harming human beings and especially victims.
Why in the hell haven't they if they're such good people,
why don't they set up a cancer fund for victims
of all, not just cancer fund, a medical fund for victims.

(10:28):
They want to run all these hospitals and talk to
the talk. Why don't they set something up for their
victims who are dying now because of what they suffered
at their hands. Well I know why. Because they don't
want any publicity, they won't admit any culpability. But here
they all run charities for children. I find that very interesting.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well, yeah, and I want to They'll use those charities
as their armor when things go south. They'll wrap themselves
in those charities and they'll say, well, look at me,
look at all the good I've done. I can't be
involved in that, when in reality we all know that
this is part of your game. Now they can't pull
the wall over our eyes anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's right, And you know, going down this rabbit hole
of connecting dots. So the people that I saw constantly,
and I do mean constantly, every time I stepped out
of the house and was around Jeffrey Epstein or Gylin Maxwell.
I saw Katie Ford. Okay, her mother owned started Ford
Modeling Agency, and she's her mother had ties to Jean

(11:25):
Luke Brunell in the seventies.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, they had, they had, they had very very close ties.
I have a whole like a forty seven minute episode
I uploaded dealing with Katie Ford and John le Brunelle.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Bobby. Okay, that's interesting. So Katie Ford, my first experience
of her, other than babysitting her child Isabelle. My first
experience of her was actually at Gelan, at Jeffrey's office
and at the Homesley Palace, and at those offices, I
walked in and I was meeting with Jeffrey, and Gillane
stopped me and they were standing there. I never remember.

(12:00):
Katie was on the left and Gillen was on the right,
and they were face to face, about the same height,
and Gillane might have been a little bit taller. And
Katie's hideous and the irony of running a modeling agency.
I mean, I'm not trying to be on kind, but
I'm an artist, and if she had asked me to
paint her, there's no way in hell I would have
her good friend Gelan Maxwell. I mean, I'm sorry. Eileen

(12:20):
Guggenheim wanted to be painted and I wouldn't touch that.
I didn't want to go near that. I painted her daughter,
who was adorable, but I wasn't going to paint that
woman's face, you know. And I was relieved when she
didn't hire me. The commission made a paint her and
she hired this half artist and staid, I was so relieved.
But the point being, Katie and Gailan are standing there,

(12:41):
and this is the discussion that happens about my sister Annie.
Gaylan says Annie's going to model for Katie Forge and
she just basically points to Katie and says, and she's
and this is going to be a good experience for Annie.
And I say, Annie does not want a model, and
and Geelan literally says at this point and looks at
Katie and says, I'm gonna have to call hervey because

(13:01):
maybe she'll she would probably enjoy acting.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, it can't, no, And the tens, the tendrils
that these people have sunk in with each other's and
not even just coast to coast. People don't understand when
I say a criminal conspiracy, I mean far reaching criminal conspiracy.
Six confident or style.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Them deeper than they can fab them. And somehow the
age of twenty six Bobby it hit me. I knew,
and I knew it was an international pedophile ring. And
I told the FBI, this is an international pedophile and
child porn ring and it's very dangerous, and they did
not care. And they really you know the other part

(13:44):
that we have to this before I want to finish
on Katie Ford, before we jumped to Julie Brown and
her her ilk. Okay, perfect, but you know, because we've
had to jump over so many hurdles, Like if I
did a drawing of this, it would be all of
these elites as hurdles and all of the victims running
trying to jump over these hurdles on a track.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's like you guys are Barry Sanders. It's insane. I
always say all the time, the roadblocks and the hurdles
that have been faced in this, uh, this whole entire ordeal,
it's been mine numbing, as just someone who's been watching
from the peanut gallery. I can't imagine what you you got,
you ladies have felt like throughout this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's been obnoxious. You know, the me Too were against us.
They were the me nots for us. And the other
thing that was really interesting is I mean they were
blatantly against us, like they had Okay, so they had
an actress if you want to call her that, I'm sorry.
I'm just not a fan of any of these people
in Hollyweird. This person, she's an Artete called me to

(14:40):
tell me that Rose McGowan decided that we're not invited
into Me Too. And Rose McGowan tells very strongly about this,
so we will not be supported. Epstein Survivors, Maxwell Survivers
not supported at all by Me Too. Just an FYI,
I was going through Timo when she's telling me this,
and she was she was also trying to instruct my art,
like tell me which way to lean politically, and I

(15:03):
try to explain to her that I'm a little bit
of an anarchist and I'm not going to lean anyway
for her. I'm going to lean towards truth. And so
just we had so many and you know, it's way
worse for Virginia on this this monumental scale. You know,
she had to get she had to hire someone to
handle all these creeps. Basically. The other thing that really
bothers me is you have a situation where the FBI

(15:26):
is doing so much cover up right now, and I
can see all the ways in which they're trying to
work this. They're trying to work this, They're trying to
work this thing. Sorry, are you there? Yeah, they're trying
to manipulate the situation and make themselves look Okay. For example,
there's a woman who is clearly, severely mentally ill. Has

(15:49):
nothing to do with our case. She is a very
sick woman. She's this blonde woman who staged her own
kidnapping back in like twenty sixteen, right, They so she
pretended she was trafficked by these two Hispanic women, and I.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Remember hearing something about that. I remember vaguely. I remember
hearing about that case.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
So they've suddenly arrested her. And this is what the
FBI says. It says, they say, we cannot have people
who are pretending they were trafficked out there when there's
so many trafficking victims that we need to assist. You know,
it's hilarious what they're trying to do. They're trying to
First of all, they're trying to make They're trying to
cast shade on us. We don't know if they were

(16:30):
really victims. It took twenty six years to figure out
if they were telling the truth. There were a lot
of them. But you know, and here's the other thing
that cast shade. We have fake victims out there, a
lot of them, right, Like Kirby Summers, who pretends like
she understands she speaks for us, right's she speaks on
behalf of trafficking survivice. The woman's never been trafficked. What

(16:50):
is she talking about? Why are people listening? So that's
not even a real name. She has a that's her pseudonym, right,
So why are people listening to all these hags, these
hollyweirdos and all these fakes that have never suffered what
we have. And then you have people the FBI doing this.
I'm sorry, I had dinner U because this is just
crazy to me, because I will forget this. The FBI

(17:12):
then does this thing where they give the already famous,
very well recognized, very coddled athletes, and I'm sorry for
them that they suffered. And but like I said on
ADDIE's show, I think there's a difference between being shot
and being shot dead. And what I feel like happened
to Virginia is that she was almost shot dead and
she survived it, and my god, people begrudge her a dollar.

(17:36):
But those athletes got two hundred million dollars apiece and
no one said a word. The FBI gets up and
apologizes to them publicly in a public form, just to
assault our wounds as well and to make themselves look fantastic. Right, Oh, look,
we care about victims. These other people have been waiting
twenty six years for an apology. We're not going to
give them one. These girls that waited five years, We're

(17:56):
all over it. They're famous. We're going to make ourselves
look good. They're already rich. Let's give them two hundred
million apiece. You know, I mean, are you kidding me?
Virginia Roberts went through hell. She's a walking miracle. And Bobby.
I don't think people understand George is the same George tnks.
They both knew the most powerful people in the world
and were raped by these multiple powerful, powerful power players

(18:19):
that run the world. And instead of people caring about
these people who were raped as children by the most
powerful people on earth, they're people are jealous of them.
It's sick. We're living in a very sick society, you know,
I know because I was. I was like, these crazy
women came after me on Twitter, and you know, everybody

(18:40):
is out to use these victims, and it's very strange. Right,
But we've had the good guys. We've had you, We've
had you know, people like Addie, we have Whitney Webb,
we have you know, some really this woman Tatiana Siegel,
she's amazing. She really cares about survivors actually, and she
tells the truth and she does it in Rolling Stone.

(19:00):
So she's kind of a stud. And but but but
you know what George has endured I would like to
get back to because it actually involves the federal government.
So so let me back up. He and Amelia, who
I was discussing in the very beginning. He and Amelia worked.
Amelia was his employee, and so they were arrested on

(19:24):
bogus wire fraud charges. But let me explain. This company
was owned this this was a company started by by
the DuPonts, by John DuPont. And you know who John
DuPont is speaking of athletes, right, Fox Catcher, Right, So
George is a victim of John DuPont's as well. He

(19:46):
was traded off to these people and it began, you know,
with Kramer. He was he was recruited to go to
Kramer's in Chicago. That's where Wetner raped him. Uh. There
were multiple occasions, the first being really really graphic and
bad for him. And believe me, this this is the

(20:08):
very These men are very disgusting. They had these parties
they called mafia parties where they would rape the boys
with their fists.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
I'm sure that the actual men of honor in the
mafia would love to know that they're Monoica is being
uh appropriated by a bunch of child rapers, because I
could speak from It's.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Also a different mafia, the Jewish mafia. You know, they
children are not off limits, I have learned. So we're
talking about different mafias. This isn't the Italian.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
No, I get it. I'm just saying the name in general.
They're they're appropriating. Now, you know, they're gonna have to
find their own name here in this country because the
crooked noses are not happy by the appropriation of the
name here.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
That's right, that's right. But these men, you know, uh,
they they're all very close to DuPont. So there's something
I want to do in a minute, and I want
to connect dots going back to the New York Academy
of Art, which I'm not really allowed to discuss that
school right now, which is weird, but anyway, I just
I am going to discuss something about it, not anything

(21:09):
to do with my assault, but something I've discovered about
them that's very interesting and they can't prevent that. But
basically John DuPont, after Kramer and Wexner, those guys traded
this thirteen year old. He was thirteen. Okay, he was thirteen.
It was twelve when Kramer found him. He was thirteen
when he was so used twelve at his first assaults,

(21:31):
which was by the gee Land of the group. This
man that recruited and there was also a woman that
recruited for them, and like I said, they would go
to bus stops, they would find homeless children. Kramer even
had a charity called the Gay Alliance for Children and
it was for gay children and runaways and everyone knew

(21:51):
that and that's where they would pick up a lot
of the children. So, you know, Geeland's EMO, It's been
around a long time. And all of her buddies have
implemented it all over the you know, all over the world.
And but what's interesting is he was treated to DuPont
at one point and lived on that estate and he was,
you know, his little athlete of the day and John

(22:14):
would switch all the time, you know, So he got
bored of George after a while. But also they didn't
get along so well. So then he was traded to
another man of great power, a very good friend of Wexner's.
And this was all by the age of fourteen. Do
you hear me?

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
They changed his name so that they could traffic him,
and he was a DuPont. They changed his name, and
it's all in the courts, and it's all in the
court records. It can be read. But anyway, so David
Lee DuPont was his name, and then he was dragged
around by these people and they started the DuPont Modeling Agency.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, so the whole entire thing with DuPont in general,
they've had like a pretty sordid past, from their involvement
in you know, creating weapons for war to just being
a very odd family in general. It's been a quite
the ride for that family. And it definitely culminated with
the whole Fox Catcher experience, and as a sports fan,

(23:12):
that's really what my experience with the duponce is knowing
that story right, but right when you you know, you
dig a little deeper into who they are. It's definitely
again when I always talk about the weird, so called
elite groups of people that we see running around in
these small circles, this is certainly the kind of people
we're talking about. And it's a very small select group,

(23:34):
as you well know, and they all know each other,
they all know what they're up to. Yeah, And for
them to act like they don't, you know, sit around
and talk about tradecraft the same way you would with
other artists or I would with other content creators, is
just a very naive approach to take.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Right, Well, we haven't even gotten to David Blaine yet.
Them next, and.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
For my next magic trick.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Before we do David Blaine, I'm talking about Warhol and
this is my little connect the dots with Warhol. So
I'm actually I was good friends with a friend of
Andy Warhols that helped found the Academy back in the day.
I think he's senile now based on things he did
some he interviewed with Vicky Ward. He wouldn't have done
that in his right mind. I think she's using him.

(24:20):
But anyway, so Andy Warhol part of his group, you know,
he had a little group that followed him around everywhere, right,
And one of the people in that group was Barbara Guggenheim,
married to Bert Fields, both very good friends with Gilan
right and Epstein part of that group. I don't know
if Bert was friends of theirs or if he just

(24:42):
tolerated them, But anyway, Barbara Guggenheim is a piece of work,
and she was so verbally and emotionally abusive to me
and didn't pay me for my work, so she was
also physically abusive in the fact that I was starving. Right,
But she's the sister of Eileen Guggenheim, who used to

(25:05):
be the dean of the New York Academy of Art
and is now the president of the board of the
New York Academy of Art. She just can't let that
place out. Three of her clutches, okay, and these two
sisters with Andy Warhol, they butted in after the school
was founded and really pushed the man I know out,
and they've there have been multiple lawsuits, and I mean,

(25:25):
this is this group is a mess. Okay, they're mean
and there's a mean old board out there that sued
me when I was going through cancer treatment, not ensued me, sorry,
defamed me horribly and blamed me for my sisters being harmed.
And that's why I was going through chemotherapy. And I
am an alum. Think about that, like, is this what?
Who wants to go to a school where they then

(25:48):
defame people? Right?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
And imagine there's no way. I mean, I'd be furious
school for the Yeah, you're curious, I'd be furious.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And they and they do it when I'm going through
cancer twenty six years later? What did I ever do wrong?
I attended their school?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Okay, yeah, God forbid you out them? Though God forbid you.
You try and hold someone accountable, then you're the bad guy.
Isn't that the way it always seems?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yes, And I'm not allowed to go into detail about it,
but I can talk about I can talk about this
Hag's sister and her sister, Barbara, who I happen to
know is an abuser from personal experience. Barbara Guggenheim was
in Andy Warhol's Little Little group, right, and so she

(26:32):
followed him around. I don't know what you call that,
like like Courtney Love was to Epstein.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I'm not little travelers like the fellow travelers.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, yeah, So what's interesting? Yeah, God, there's so many
overlaps because I'd love to go down Courtney Love too,
that lane because.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And when when Prince Andrew showed up over at uh
Courtney Love's house at one am in the morning that time,
I remember that story. That was a doozy.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Isn't that interesting? Yeah? But all I was going to
say is that this war whole thing, there's a lot
of a lot of overlaps. Katie Ford is super connected,
was connected to it. So her mother was John DuPont
was a very good friend of Andy Warhol. And it's

(27:18):
interesting because George was gifted painting by the drawing or
a piece of art from Andy Warhol from Missus Floorsheim.
And I don't know if you know who miss Florsheim is,
but she's she was the coolest. She's the one I
grew up wearing Floorsheim shoes because I have very wide
feet and they had like handmade all their shoes. They

(27:39):
were super nice shoes, and so I always loved missus Florsheim.
It ends up she was an amazing woman who knew
all these people but didn't didn't particularly respect them. She
didn't even like the Andy Warhole. So she gave it
to George and the sdn Y took it from him.
Isn't that funny? And that leads me back to the
fact that the sd and Y took millions of dollars

(28:02):
worth of Georgie's goods and he paid. He spent fifteen
years in prison for these bogus wire fraud charges. You know,
this is all this is all because of Wexner. I'm
letting you know.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
They're wire fraud charges. They love those wire fraugs.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh they love those, don't they. They just love it.
We all use telephones that we've all committed wire fraud.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, it was, it was. It was one of the
predicates they used in Rico when they were going after
my people as well, my loved ones, And eventually it
was what they used that was the only one of
the predicates that ended up sticking.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So that's how our case never went Rico.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Bobby, don't even get me started on that. That's the
whole reason. As you know that I even started looking
at this case because what I went through personally with
my family, and then to see that there's no Rico here,
it really really makes me angry and aggravated and very
sad for the state of the country in general, because.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
The medical system and the justice system are two tiered.
If you're poor, forget it. There's no doubt you're rich,
You've got it covered, yep. And it's all got it changed, Brobby.
It's sickening. I mean, I'm watching the two collide right
now and I'm like, this can't this can't continue, you know.
I mean, Anyway, what I was going to say is

(29:14):
the sdn Y has stolen a lot of people's belongings.
They have my art. The FBI, they have my art.
They need to hand it over. It's really sad of them.
I have all the groups that I made those paintings.
I have photographs of myself through the stages of the paintings.
I wrote on the back of the paintings because Gilan
and Jeffrey instructed me to Eilean Gugenheim asked me to

(29:34):
write on the back of this one painting for Epstein.
It's all on there, and those were not paintings I
chose to give to him. These are paintings that are
stolen from me, and I want them returned, and I
would like I would like it as well if they
could return everything that belongs to all my friends that
they've decided to arrest on bullshit charges because of this
group that they're trying to cover for. And so they've

(29:56):
gone after a lot of victims of this group. Some
of the victims that ended up as children ended up
jumping off and there we have all the proof of this, Bobby,
they were pushed off, but it says they jumped off
of Kramer's balcony in Chicago, a whole bunch of homeless kids.
What are the chances they just go there to kill themselves.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, it's just like that Democratic bundler, I forget his
name now, Buck, I believe that was bringing the transient
African Americans into his house, getting them high on methmphetamine
and then they're buying. And I mean that's what these
people do. They're just sick people. They look at us
as just you know, pieces of the chattel to be
moved around and used to whatever purposes that they deem fit.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
And yeah, partially our fault because they are all these
idiots out there who like worship people like Elon musk Oh,
Dear God help us, another friend of Eustine's, not just
of Maxwell's. No, they did not just take a picture together.
They weren't photo bomb dudes. I'm so tired of this,
like this whole group, and Jeff Bezos knew them for
three years. He was dating Geyland allegedly while he was married.

(31:03):
People don't date Geland. They have Geland for cure children
for them. I'm sorry. This whole thing is sick. And
I don't know if they had him, if they had
Geland procure for them or not. But I do know
that they were there. Why were they there right, all
of these people? Yes, exactly, and why were they around
a lot? And I mean must have multiple meetings with them.

(31:25):
I think it's hilarious when he's like, I was just
photo bonded a party. Dudes, go Russia, you know, like
he's so creepy and he just and everyone just believes him.
He's He's a paid hill for everything.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I learned a long time ago about hero worship and
the only heroes that I've ever had in my life,
I haven't worshiped sports figures. Nothing my dad and my grandfather.
That's it. I've never had any other heroes because guess what,
no one's ever been worthy of my worship except those
people who have directly affected my life, and I've seen
their work at the and I know their character.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
So I have actually three heroes, Annie Farmer, Virginia Roberts,
and George Tunks. Those are my and and Annie because
she's been a perfect human being since the day I
met her, when the day she was born and I
held her, and I've never met anyone I could love more.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
She's a rock star. There's no doubt what Annie. What
Annie did up there, the way she closed it like
Mariano Rivera coming in out of the bullpen. Yeah, buddy,
it was. It was spectacular to watch.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
She's such a stun And then you know, Virginia is
she's she's a real survivor.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
She's a scrapper. She's definitely a scrapper. And you know me,
I have a lot of respect for people that bite
down on the mouthpiece and stand in the middle of
the ring, because I don't you know, you know, my
my model was always meat shit head on so I
don't ever, I don't run, I don't back down, and
when I see people doing that, it inspires me to
step up to the plate. And I would stand, say,
stand shoulder to shoulder with you, ladies, but that's impossible.

(32:57):
I'll stand a little bit to the back, but stand
they're with you, no, nonetheless.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right. So what I was going to say is the
other thing about that is it's not just women. You know,
there are men out there that were sexually abused by
Wexner and they're embarrassed and a lot of a lot
of them that have come out won't come forward. And
I know this because when they wrote the article about
him for Vanity Fair, they used me and lied to
me about what the article was going to be. They

(33:22):
said they were really going to out him, and they didn't.
They covered for him, of course, because that's what Vanity
Fair does. But that's what most journalists do, you know.
They make the story and I see the formula now,
like when you That's why I do all these smaller podcasts.
I have a lot of like major you know, I've
turned down a lot of major interviews and that's because
I get really tired of I get really sorry. I

(33:45):
keep getting phone calls. I get really tired of having
my story be condensed into a comfortable lie for everybody.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
You know, Look, I guess what. Sometimes things don't have
to be digestible, and this is one of those times
you're gonna choke it down. Every time someone listens to
my podcast, especially, I want them to leave and feel
dirty by what we talked about, because it's fucking disgusting
everything that we talk about, everything we cover, I feel
like I should bathe and bleach after we're done discussing it.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Right, I do too, And it's just well, I wanted
to get back to the thing that they all do,
these fake foundations, right, because it ends up Katie Ford
has a children's foundation. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Oh well, maybe Prince Andrew can go work for her foundation.
Wouldn't that be great?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, maybe they should do that. Yeah, And you know,
and then you had Kramer who had the Gay Alliance
for Children, and then you know DuPont bringing in all
the children because he's gonna help them. And then so
then I wanted to get to David Blaine because we
don't want him to totally disappear from this podcast. So basically,

(34:56):
he was heavily involved in the Epstein cartel and he
what I can find, I don't know if Josie Moran
was his victim or his girlfriend. From what I can tell,
he had a lot of victims.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Right, It's a fine line with a lot of these people, right,
girlfriend victim. You know they start grooming them at sixteen,
you know, you know how it goes.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Well, Josie Moran was twelve and if you look up pictures,
she was stunning when they started bringing her into modeling.
I don't know when she started dating. I do know
that according to Amelia, who is not here to talk
about it. But Amelia did inform people that Josie introduced
her to a lot of these men that ended up
one of them, Harvey Weinstein, ended up raping her. So

(35:41):
it seemed it is a fine line. And it's like
at some point some of these women, like this woman
Josie Moran, who was so stunning, just like Amelia, why
would you want to harm somebody like you? Why would
you want to do that? So it seems like she
had been brainwashed from a very young age, right. And
I don't know, it's hard for me to not be
really angry at all these people, but at the same time,

(36:02):
I think that most of them were also victims. You know,
he goes into twelve, right.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
We have to kind of take a look at it
with a discerning eye when it comes to these younger
people that are brought into these groups, because when you're
that young, you're very malleable, You're very mouldible, and it's
very easy for somebody who is advanced as far as
their vernacular, someone who might have a little bit of

(36:28):
psychology in their pocket, to manipulate the situation to make
you feel like it's a normal type of deal you're
involved in, when we all know this shit is not normal.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yes, exactly. But what I was going to say about
Amelia Young, and I hope people look her up, is
that she was a real treasure for this earth. She
was not only stunningly beautiful, but she was you know,
a real survivor for a long time of SDN Y
well of the same people I've survived, the FBI, the
SDN Y Wexner's group, all of right. She also quote

(37:02):
dated David Blaine, right, and he gave her heroin. According
she told her friends this, he was always giving her heroin,
And why would you do that to such a beautiful woman.
You know what was your purpose?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Another control tactic now, yays, because so once you get
them hooked on the drugs, then it becomes they need
you to provide those drugs first of all. Second of all,
again you're in a different mental state and you're much
easier to talk into things you might not want to do.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Right. Exactly, So my point of bringing David Blaine up
is I don't not to be stupid again, but I
don't want him to disappear from this case. I want
people to be made aware of Katie Ford, David Blaine,
and all these people in the Black Book who participated
and who various survivors can come together and talk, and
when we start talking, we're mentioning all the same people.

(37:53):
Another one of those was, Okay, if Katie Ford's husband
was Andre Bilotts, you're not going to believe this. Guess
who Andre Bilotz dated later Courtney Love.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Oh boy, there you go, the sixty reads of separation
from Jeffrey Epteen.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Once again, Andre Bilots was at every damn dinner, every
function where I was with Epstein and Gillan, And what
was that man up to? Exactly? So I just I
think people need to question these Black Book efforts. People
need to go through that book. Not just Bobby, the
people outside in this world need to start looking into them,
because I'll guarantee you there's only a tiny handful that's innocent.

(38:31):
And if there's a handful of all, I know of
one person that's a good person in that black book
and he was put in there so Gillin could make
her book look important. And that's a Kennedy and that's it.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Look, if you if you find a black book of
a drug dealer, the people that you're going to find
in that black book are the people are buying drugs.
So when you find the of someone who's selling human beings,
what do you think I said is a rhyme?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
That's brilliant, Bobby, That's brilliant. That's exactly it. And you
know the reason why it really matters. Well, first of all, right,
now I worry for George for his safety because he
was released from prison and now he's being harassed by
SDN Y. They're sending probation officers over with the FBI

(39:15):
to harass him.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Sounds about right, and that's a typical move by them.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's right. They're saying that he needs to go sweep
the streets of Chicago like a peasants, right for restitution
for fake victims that never existed for this false wire
fraud charge. And let me just tell you this, the
sdn Y is the mob. And I don't mean a
good mob. They're just the and.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I've seen it. I've seen it with my own eyes,
the way that they conduct their business, and I am
not impressed. Look, I've been saying it since the very
first episode of my podcast in twenty nineteen. We were
talking about Rico and the sdn Y because it's been
a shit show for a very long time, and people
don't want to listen. People don't want to pay attention because,
guess why, because the sdn Y might be scoring some

(39:57):
political points with their buddies. And then, for of a sudden,
if they're scoring political points, then well we can't say
anything about them because it might, uh, you know, interrupt
our tribalistic goals, when in reality, we should all have
the same goals, and that is protecting the most vulnerable
and putting fuck bags like this in prison.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And unfortunately that's not what happens. Unfortunately, you have all
these federal judges and these prosecutors that are criminals, and
you have lawyers working with them in cahoots that support
are supposed to be you know, are paid by the victims,
but aren't really being you know that they're in on it,
These these criminal lawyers, some of them. It's it's really
I was trying to think of that one lawyer that

(40:38):
represented Talks before. Well, there was also the FBI agent
Brian Brian Hamway. He went by Hamway, but his name
is Brian hamoy h A m o u I. And
he was giving drugs to Amelia and to George. He
was an FBI agent and then they made him a
CI agent. Bobby.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Well, look that doesn't shock me one bit because two
of the hijackers from nine to eleven were living with
an FBI and Foremant in San Diego before it even happened.
So the idiocy of the FBI is long and it
reaches far. And I am not intentional. It's intentional, you know,
I'm not harmful.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
They're intentionally harmful to victims to protect the purpose, that's
all it is. And they are protecting the elites and
they are harming society.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
You know what else They'll do as well with one
of their favorite moves. Just I have to throw this
in real quick. You'll see it a lot with like
Islamic people, right, people who believe in Islam, people who
are Arabic, or people who come from you. Yeah, they'll
show up and then they'll try and rile people up
like these people are terrorists, and they'll try to force
the issue and just so they could look like they're

(41:45):
stopping terrorism when in reality, we.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Have from Muslims than anyone else this year during my
keep near anyone to be mean to any of these
people exactly.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
People are so silly. People are so silly, and it's is,
you know, we're at a point now where like we're
comfortable as a society using broad tones. And I'm not
a fan of any of that. I'm not a fan
of absolutes, and I'm not a fan of broad tones.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Because nothing is black and white anymore. Right now.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Everything is gray, and everything is so nuanced that if
you don't dig deep enough and you're only scratching the surface,
you're only going to have a surface level understanding of
what is going on.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
That's absolutely true, and I crave more. Yeah, absolutely, I
wanted to mention the lawyer that worked worked closely with
SD and Y, and he's it's in case that somebody
gets arrested after this, so they don't hire him. His
name is Richard b. Herman, and he is a shyster
and he stole millions from people at the MCC and

(42:46):
he's so he's promoted by SD and Y. What they
do is they have all these informants in the jail,
so when you arrive, they put one with you. They
tell you need Richard b. Herman to be your lawyer.
He's my savior. But then later, once you're in the jail,
you find out Richard b. Herman has stolen every rolex
from every man in there and taken all of his money,
and even the SD and wise like you need to

(43:07):
get back some of the money. You were the biggest shyster.
Like that's how bad he is, right, So they all
work together, obviously, like you have Sternheim representing Tartaglioni and Maxwell.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Oh, don't even get tag. Don't even get me started
with that. Nobody even talks about that. That dude's from my
neck of the woods. And Yonkers I know all about
the Tartaglionies. Don't even get me started with these people.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, isn't it interesting that there's only one lawyer left
in New York and her name is Sterny And you
know funny about isn't it weird that she gets all
the money out of the Epstein estate? Isn't that funny?
Is it weird that Glenn Maxwell's paid for everything's paid
for her through the government, And the government made us
sign something saying we would never get any form of

(43:50):
restitution from Glenn Maxwell and we would never pursue suing her.
The government made every victim sign that the sd and
Y made a sign that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Well look we look the sdn Y. At this point,
I don't know how anyone can look at what they're
doing with confidence. And anyone who tells me that, if
you tell me you have confidence in what they're doing,
I have to question your mental state.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
No, they're so done. I'm sorry. There's going to be
a cleanup. It's some cleanup crew's going to have to
come and clean up all of our government and everything.
I mean, this is just the thing that Epstein did.
He did something good. Actually, while he was here, he
unearthed a lot of shit, and you know what, We're
going to clean it up, you know. And I mean,

(44:32):
I'm going to fight my cancer as long as I
can and clean up. And I don't know if they
think I'm going to quit, but I never I'm a runner.
I was a cross country runner. You don't you train
your brain to never quit. You just run. You get stitches,
you you're winded. It doesn't matter how hungry you are,
if you go to the bathroom, you just keep running.
It doesn't matter. They're fighting with the wrong person, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
They they chose the wrong time.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
They're fighting with the wrong group. And we're very strong together.
There's this great little children's book that I have because
I'm super into I love. I ran in Persia. I'm
like super into that region and the art, and so
I collect Persian rugs. I'm like obsessed with them, you know,
little samples or whatever. I'm just obsessed with the the
art behind them. And I can't remember what I was

(45:16):
telling you this. Well. One thing, oh, I know. One
thing is that our government's gone in there and murdered
a lot of those people, and they don't appreciate it
very much.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Uh. Look at policy, Yeah, our policy in the Near
East is criminal. I've said it from the very beginning.
What we did in the levant in the Middle East.
You want to talk about war crimes, Come on, man,
give me a break. Give me a break already. And
the whole what aboutism that I see going on though
about that, you know, trying to frame it like what
Russia's doing is okay, because what America did that's ridiculous too.

(45:47):
Two wrongs don't make a right. Everyone's wrong. If you're
trying to steal someone else's sovereignty and you can't roll
into a country and expect no kind of consequences, absolutely,
give me a break already. I don't want to hear
any of the pre text the pretext stuff either. I mean,
once you're talking about sovereignty, then those people from Ukraine
should be able to fight for as long as they want.

(46:08):
With that said, though it's their fight, I don't want
to know flies on. You know, we can't, we can't
get involved at that level. But I don't. I don't
like people framing it, like framing it as if Putin's
in the right here, because that's the wrong message to
send because he is not. He's an oligarch, he's no
different than Yes, he's no different than the so called Exactly,

(46:29):
that's the funny that people don't notice that.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
In America on a smaller scale, people are like, oh,
I vote Democrat, Oh I vote Republican. Really, why are
you so stupid? First of all, they're both on the
same team and they're against us, And we have to
make it so that you know, it's okay if you're
port it's not a sin actually in our country, so
that you're allowed to have insurance things like that.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Have to Look, we're at a time and place now
where things are very volatile and the so called ruling
class is on the most shaky ground that they've been
on since legitimately the French Revolution. So these people they're
making very i want to say, desperate decisions almost, and

(47:12):
you're seeing it play out on the world stage when
these countries that you're looking at, like now with Russia
and America, they're willing to go to the very lengths
of nuclear brinksmanship because they're looking for excuses to, you know,
explain away why they've been mismanaging their country's resources for
so long. And it's it's it's ridiculous to anyone who

(47:34):
understands geopolitics. It's right, so ridiculous to see what they're
doing and to see the conversation around it, and the
conversation once again being used to pit right against left
or neighbor against neighbor. It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
It's exactly the same name, and I mean the same
as it's weird. Even though things are not black and white,
things are very simple and history is cyclical, and I
just feel World War two all over. I'm like, uh,
here we are?

Speaker 1 (48:03):
You know, it definitely has that feel for people who
know no history, it has that feel. And one thing
that is very, very very dangerous about all of this,
not to you know, deviate from the topic, is all
of the weapons that are being poured into Ukraine. While
I'm cool with the Ukrainian people defending themselves, those kinds
of weapons manpads and end laws, if they end up

(48:24):
in the wrong hands, they can take down planes, and
they're going to end up in the wrong hands, there's
no doubt. So right now, it's it seems like the
moral decision to dump weapons in there, But we have
to learn from history and we have to know that
when we do that, just like with the Mujahadeen. There
are going to be boomerang consequences that come in the future,
right and you know, we'll have to wait and see

(48:46):
what those consequences are, but there's no doubt that they
are coming.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Oh yes, it's you can feel it. It's just it's
all it's just history repeating itself.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
You know, one thing people don't one thing I will
say about about all of this is is whenever you
have the the neo cons and the neoliberals agreeing with
with each other something, the rest of us are in
for it. The rest of us are in for it.
And that's what they're doing right now. When you yeah,
you see you have Nancy Pelosi sounding like Mitch McConnell.

(49:19):
We're in big trouble.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
We're in big trouble.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
So you know, how can we expect.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
We're also fight We're personally going to be fighting this
world economic group. We've got to knock them on their knees.
It can't contin. There's just a lot going on that
there's so few of them. But like I said, there's
so many idiots out there who want to worship people
with money, and they don't understand those people with money
are never going to give it to you. I can
assure Jeffrey Epstein. One thing he never did is he

(49:45):
never benefited anyone except himself.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Always made sure he got a lot of money, and
all the artwork and all the children's bodies and lives
and everything was stolen. Nothing was given in return. And
everybody's like those women, they they just go, really, what
if we dig for? I mean there were a couple
of women that he kept for many years, but most

(50:09):
of us were really I mean, lord, it wasn't very fun,
let me tell you. And we had everything stolen, nothing
given to us. And that's what our government does. The
way our government is Jeffrey Epstein in my mind.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
When people well, I mean in a way they are
I mean, they were willing to look the other way.
They were willing to not do the right thing when
it was right in front of their face. You had
the most prolific child trafficker hanging out at the White House,
and there's not a big fucking hubub about it. People
aren't going crazy.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
You're still telling me about I reported that one that president.
I reported that president to that fingbi. Is I reported
the future president Donald Trump to that fingbi and you know,
I can't stand these people who are like, oh Trump,
he'll do not you know, get over it. He will
harm us, he has and he's harmed children. So please
gets wake up.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yeah, you know, I try to point out even with
Trump too. Look, these are all all of guards. They're
just packaged different.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
All the same person.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
If you hate if you hate Abramovich from Russia, you
hate Trump because they're the same guy. They have the
same motivations, the same goals, more money, more power, to
hell with the rest of us.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Yeah, they don't care about us.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
They don't care.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
You know, it's amazing to me. The whole well, the scandemic.
Everyone believed that the government cared about us. They do
not care about us. And a mask, a dirty mask
that you're going to put in the ocean, is not
going to help you, you know. And the thing that
drove me crazy during that deal is that I was
in all the hospitals, like, not all of them. I
was in about five ten hospitals during that time and

(51:43):
staying in them, you know, two weeks at a time.
They were all empty. I had every nurse at my
backing call. It was just not complaining, you know, they
were empty. I was glad I didn't have to deal
with but they were now I realized they were empty
because they were turning away all the cancer patients and
all the heart disease patients right because of this cold
that was going on or flew whatever was happening. And
the point is the hospitals are now full because all

(52:05):
those people that were neglected for so long, right are
in there. And then all the people that maybe thought
the government cared about them now they're there. So it
just feels like people need to wake up. You know.
Even Ronald Reagan said the scariest word you can ever
hear is I'm the government. I'm here to help you, right, There's.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
No doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
But why do people not remember that? Like, why can't
they remember that? Just keep that in mind, and do
know that Epstein was definitely working for our government. We
just don't know which branch, but he was working for
our government.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
He definitely wasn't asset, There's no doubt about it. Anyone
who says different is crazy. And yeah, I'll tell you know,
I always bring up Whitey Bulger when people are like, well,
Jeffrey was a pretty vicious guy. Whitey Bulger was a
pretty vicious guy. So Sammy the Bolo Gravano, that's right.
So it was Gregory Scarpo who they sent down to
New Orleans to kill the ku Klutz Klan after the
ku Klutz Clan members killed some black folk. So these

(52:58):
are the people the FBI works with on a regular basis.
The FBI has funded the CIA, excuse me, has funded
some of the worst groups in the whole world, all
in the chase of freedom. Who's freedom, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Who's freedom exactly? Soertainly not the freedom of American children, I.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Certainly, right, certainly, not your freedom, certainly not certainly not.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
No, none of us have felt free. And when I
say none of us, I mean the people who were
truly affected. There are some people who might have met
him and you know, and had a good experience of
Jeffrey Ebstein. I don't know, but I know the ones
that didn't. And it's just amazing to me because he
was so good at his job. I now see what

(53:41):
his job, but he did it very well. I don't
believe that he was attracted to girls at all. I
do not believe that one bit, because the children, I mean,
he picked children. Maybe it's just a pedophile thing, and
I just can't understand it. But he wanted people with
no breasts, right, they looked like little boys like everyone
at the time, you know, and then they grew up
to beautiful women. But at the time they looked like

(54:02):
they could have been a boy or girl. Kind of
it's strange that he didn't have so he wasn't. And
then the women that he chose to abuse weren't beautiful
women like this Amelia Young, you know, rarely. I can't
say that there were some of the most beautiful women
in the world that he chose to abuse, but they
were very early twenties, you know, to mid twenties. But
they weren't children, is what I was trying to say.

(54:26):
So basically, I don't know. It's a very weird I
don't understand what he was doing. I would like to know,
Jeffrey Epstein, what were you doing? You did your job
very well because everyone trusted him. He was the most
trustworthy person. When you met him, you just thought, my god,
I can let all my guards down. This man is
to be trusted, right, And then there were times where

(54:48):
he said weird things and I didn't listen because I
was dealing with poverty, right, not weird things about children,
just weird things to me about my own body, like
about my body looking like a woman's body having. He
was very hard on me about that, and so they
starved me because they wanted me to look like a
little boy. Glenn said that. She said, you know, we

(55:10):
just you can't have any breasts, so you can't eat.
You know, my breast just wouldn't shrink. It was a
real problem, you know. So, I mean, that's not somebody
who's naturally craving women. If you ask me, that seems
very strange, right. Maybe he tormented the beautiful women that
were older. I don't mean me. I mean really, I'm

(55:30):
talking beautiful women. They were models, okay, and actresses, and
they're stunning women. And I think maybe I don't know
what he was doing. I want to know, do you
have any idea what he was doing?

Speaker 1 (55:43):
I wish I knew what his his his motivations were,
but his his proclivities are clear. It was about power,
and obviously it was about the whole entire harnessing of
information because it was all multi layered for him, right,
part of the power play was getting the girl to
do what he wanted. Then getting the information from the
target to the girl back to him was another way

(56:06):
he got off. And people don't understand the whole nexus
of what really motivated this dude and got him going.
And I you know.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Our government, our government knows, our government knows exactly what
he's doing. The CIA and the FBI, they are filth.
They're absolutely filth. And people are like, well, I know
a good FBI agent. I'm like, really, I don't. I
don't know why introduce him to me. I'd love to
meet a good one. I met a really shitty CIA
agent who played a big game with my head for
a long time and really damaged me. And that was

(56:36):
a part of this case. By the way, I've dealt
with crummy FBI, and I did have one nice FBI
guy helped me out when they tried to do to
me what they did to George. And I called the
FBI because I knew immediately where it was coming from,
and it was it was dealt with, and I said,
you know, it was very clear, I know why you're
doing this. I'm the listle blur for this case. I'm

(56:57):
well aware. And the guy said, oh my god, you
know what we're going to explunge. This is crazy, crazy stuff.
So they make up things about victims that they see
as damaging to them, right, And it's not just women,
it's men too, and they're afraid and they're embarrassed. And
you know, if you think it's hard for women, gosh,
I can't even imagine being a guy like you were

(57:18):
saying about the athletes.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
You know, it's hard. It's a big stigma. I mean,
you know, guys are not wired to come forward and say, hey, look,
I've been victimized. I've had the most private thing that
I could ever have happened to me happened to me,
and I have to come forward and say that now
I'm going to be scorned, I'm going to be laughed at,
I'm going to be called names. All of that shit

(57:40):
goes into it. And it shouldn't be like that. It
should not be like that. People are victims. People are people,
and just because someone is a male, it doesn't lessen
their victim status or the fact that they've been victimized
by powerful people.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
In a third way, I know this sounds and weirdly
it's worse because they don't feel come. They're not going
to get this support when they come forward and they
don't have field supported, well.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
They end up getting suicide mainly is what happens. Yeah, men,
And it's a very big prevalent problem, and there's no resources.
There's a very few resources for these young boys. And
definitely something I'm going to be talking about moving forward
in the future because I just see the big problem
that is definitely on the.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Right Island scandal. I mean, no one ever talks about
the Franklin scandal, you know. So you have these scandals that,
like ours, involve both political parties. That one involves the Republicans,
you know, and a rape of massive rape of boys
from our government.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
And it's just disgusting, and it's happening in communities everywhere
in the whole entire world. It's at the high levels
that we talk about, but it's also at these low
levels when, for instance, you live in a major city
and you drive downtown and you see those girls walking
the blade, what do you think they're bringing that money
home and they're going to keep it. They're giving it
to some pimp, some jerk off trafficker who's abusing them

(58:59):
and taking their mind and beating them. And it's the
cycle of disgusting sadness that you see within these inner
cities right now is not sustainable.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yes, it's really it's heartbreaking. And you know when George
was telling me about where Kramer would get all of
his victims, you know, where they would I and Wexner
would go seeking their victims. And I realized nothing had changed.
It just shocked me. I don't know why, but I'm
like God, they never even changed their remo. They'd still
just go after the poor and the talented.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, you know, if it doesn't if it's not broken,
why fix it? Right? And it's been the same playbook
for these people for eons.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
And they're all running charities. You know Claire Hazel who
was my my handler, that's what Glenn called her. And
I highly suspect this is my opinion, and I'm going
to put it out there. I highly suspect she was
handling Abigail Wexner quite a bit herself too, or Abigail
was handling Claire because they're all they were always together.

(01:00:00):
Claire had keys to the house, and we know that
Lexner wasn't interested in Claire, so I wonder who was.
That's interesting. So Claire Hazel was running a children's charity
until Virginia and I outed her as a pet of files.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Yeah, it's you know, Maria, all of this is so
crazy and there's no way we can fit this all
in one episode. So what I'd like to do is
have you come back for another go at this for
a part too, at some point in the near future,
so we can spend another hour together and really dive
back into this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Oh, that would be wonderful. I'm sorry. I don't know
if I was totally in my best today because.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I get emails all the time from listeners asking about you,
inquiring about your own and you know, they know that
you and I talk and we're pretty close off of
this nonsense, and they was asking me. Yeah, they're always
tell me when're gonna have Maria on. But for me,
you know, our our friendship, I guess, is what we

(01:01:03):
would call that, right, Our friendship is not not something
that is for I don't know, for me to broadcast
on my podcast. But when you when you want to
come onto the podcast, obviously I'll always have you on.
And that's what I try to explain to people in
the emails. I'm not one of these people that wants
to interject themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Because ADDIE's like you too. He's he's like a prodige.
He's really in the sense that he is very laid
back about you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
He's a good guy. He's a very good guy. He's
a very knowledgeable guy. Him and I might not agree
on everything, but who cares. He's a very smart man,
a very smart man. And if you're interested in following
somebody who you know has a very interesting perspective on
this case, you should be checking him out. I've talked.
I talked about ADDIE's work during the trial as well.
He did a really good job.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
And he's really great at getting because because he's so
likable like you are, so he's great at getting people
to talk, you know. And that's reminds me of you,
because he's very approachable and likable, and so people just
want to talk to him, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
And then for me, I'm just I'm just a laid
back kind of guy, Like I don't get involved in nonsense.
I'm not gonna sit on the internet and talk shit
with people or anything like that. I'm here for one reason.
I'm here to out these dirty sons of bitches to
write all I care about that is all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I care about, I know, and so I'm so grateful. Well, Bobby,
it was nice talking Maria.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
It is always a pleasure. And like I said, I'm
gonna we'll talk about it and we'll figure out what
works best for you and we'll have you come. I'll
come back on and if you want to have George
come on, we'll do a conversation with him as well.
Whatever whatever you guys want to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Do, great, that would be great.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Okay, all right, Maria, Well it was very nice having
you on the show. And to all of you out
there listening, you know this, you know the scoop. By now,
your boy will be back. More content is on the way,
all right. So if you like to contact me, you
can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com.
B O B B Y c A p U C
c I at ProtonMail dot com. If you want to

(01:03:00):
find me on that swamp we call Twitter, you could
do that too. That's that BO B B U Y
underscore C A p U C c I. If you
want to send me an email, we could do that
as well. Folks, you could do that. Hey, everybody, and
welcome to a special edition of the Epstein Chronicles. I

(01:03:20):
am joined once again by Maria Farmer, and we are
basically just going to pick up where we left off
last time, and of course she's going to add some
more stuff obviously. So how you doing today, Maria?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I'm great, Thank you, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
How's that weather down there? I know you guys are
filling some tornadoes?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Tornadoes still, yes, So if I cut out or it
gets kind of bad, I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
All right. That's that's the uh, the the headliner there
for you folks. If it cuts out a little bit, it's, uh,
the tornado's fault, not mine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
You're so powerful and it sounds amazing through that. It
really does.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, you know, I figure you got to add a
couple of different tools to the trade every now and again.
So I purchased this new microphone and it's been working
out pretty well for me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Oh that's awesome. I just spent all my free money
on pastels because I noticed the prices are going up,
and so I spent a couple of thousand dollars on
Pestel so I can do a new series and I'm
excited about that. Oh yeah. My lawyer, Sigaurren McCauley gifted
me paper like a whole bunch of it from the
art store Dick Blick. So yeah, I'm excited. I'm amped

(01:04:36):
for my stuff to start. But in the meantime, until
I start that, and I've been working to try to
help expose some other culprit from the Epstein cabal, people
that affected George Tonks, a dear friend and a victim
of Leslie Wexner, and my main goal right now. And

(01:04:58):
I'm like a dog with a bone. You know. It's
funny because you know some of the negative people on
mind before I got off, there are a couple of
the vicious people that said that I'm very vindictive or
very I hold a grudge. I don't hold a grudge.
I'm a dog with the phone. And it's very simple.
If my task is to make paintings, I will not
stop until I'm done with the paintings. If my task

(01:05:20):
is to expose Wexner, I won't stop until. You know,
I just set my mind something. And so I've really
set my mind. When I was asked by David Boys
about three years ago before prior to filing an AFFI
David on Les Wexner, he asked me to come forward
and do that to help Virginia, and I did not.
I pitched a fit. I wasn't very accommodating about it

(01:05:42):
because I didn't want to have to be ridiculed and
put on the public stage. And some one of the
trolls had reached out to my lawyers. It's so funny
they think that, like they can borrow my lawyers. And
this was a while ago, but she reached out to
my lawyers saying, unlike Maria, I didn't choose to be
a public figure here. And I'm like, wait, what, Okay,
I never chose to be public. I wanted to be

(01:06:04):
a well known artist. I didn't want to have my
name attached to an infamous pedophile. And that's what all
of us have had to endure. And that's Virginia, all
of us. We've all been a lot of women didn't
come forward for that purpose because they're already very well
known in their industry and they just didn't want to
be knocked down or ridiculed anymore. And it's been I've

(01:06:27):
noticed it's been much more ugly towards Georgia, and I
believe it's because he's gay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Look, it's quite possible. Look, we've discussed this before on
air and off. The stigma that goes along with abuse
towards men is over the top, as if, you know,
as if because you're a man, you should, oh, you
should be able to stop it, or you shouldn't be
in that position, when the reality is power players use

(01:06:53):
power and it doesn't matter what your gender or your
sex is, or if you're homosexual or straight. It's about
the power place.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
You're right, that is one hundred percent correct. That is
so interesting because yeah, that's that's what they do. Like,
think about the wrestlers in Ohio have they've had to
be They've been wrangling, you know, the Ohio State wrestlers
that were assaulted under Abigail's watch the year that I
was assaulted under Abigail's watch on Abigail's property, and you know,

(01:07:26):
those wrestlers were so brave to come forward, and the
Westerners are refusing to let an end ever come to
that for them. They won't get any settlement. They're refusing
to let survivors survive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
And you know it's crazy because you're bringing up to yeah, yeah,
you bring up the Ohio State wrestlers And back to
the point about the stigma. You have a guy like
Mark Coleman, We've discussed him before as well, who is
a you know, larger than life figure in the world
of Mma, I mean legitimately a Hall of Famer, larger
than life figure. And he had a problem coming forward
and coming out when he was abused. So if you

(01:08:00):
can't come forward and find the strength, how can you
expect normal people to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
That's exactly right and the problem too. And I've mentioned
this before, but I want to mention it again because
there are a lot of people sitting in prisons right now,
not a lot, but there are many that are innocent,
and they're definitely innocent of the charges for which they're
behind bars. And many of them are survivors and previous
victims and have gone too far, and the government didn't

(01:08:32):
like it and they had to shut them up. And
they tried to do it with me, and they did
it with George, they did it with several of my friends.
Let me put it that way. So there's a pattern
here that I'm paying attention to again, and it's a
pattern created by sd N Y the Southern District of
New York, the Southern District of New York enables the
mafia and assists this specific mafia that's Wexner's you know,

(01:08:56):
is people. And you know when it's a amazing because
one quick like side story is that when George first
was you know, falsely thrown into prison, and it was
so shocking and you know, he's he's in this prison.
He goes from having millions of dollars multiple apartments, and
I'll explain what he did, but basically he was running

(01:09:16):
a top modeling agency with the DuPonts and he was
a model himself. Then when he aged out, he ran
a modeling agency. Actually before he aged out, he was
twenty one. So he this young man was threatened and
harassed for quite a while prior to his arrest. And

(01:09:37):
it was he was thrown into prison under bogus charges,
you know, the whole thing. You know how they do
it by me? Yeah, and they give fire fraud.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
You know, that's one of our favorites.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, is am I coming in clearly? Still?

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Oh yeah, you're coming in yep? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Okay, good, okay, So anyway, I was just gonna say that.
So they put him behind bars for like wire fraud
and he doesn't even know the peoples that are involved.
I mean, it's just it's ludicrous, right, And the first
day he's put into jail with this guy Vincent Basiano.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Oh, Vinny gorgeous yea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
And Vinnie pays for him to have a haircut. He
was like really good to him basically for him to
have We.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Gotta gotta we gotta explain real quick to to the listeners.
Why why that's that's funny to me? Vinnie Vinnie Basciano
is a mafioso figure in New York and his nickname
was Vinnie Gorgeous because he owned the salon. So a
mob figure who owns the salon. Okay, Maria, go ahead,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
It's pretty adorable. I mean, you know, can you hear
me clearly?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Okay, Sorry, I had to switch rooms because it was
cutting out a little bit. But yes, it's pretty funny
that he also had George get his haircut because his
hair was bothering Vinnie. But anyway, the government is so
corrupt that they actually tried to have George where wire
and frame Vinnie, and then they tried to do the
same thing to George. So they're just constantly working with

(01:11:18):
criminals against people who are maybe not committing crimes or
committed crimes very different than what they're being charged, you know,
Like I just know that this man was put in
prison for life based on false charges. So it just
it's always wire fraud, wire tapping. I find that very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Yeah, it's one of the predicates, one of the predicates
of RICO. And once they hit you with one predicate
of RICO, they have you by the short hairs, and
anybody who does business with you or if you send
money to your cousin now they're caught up in the
Rico case as well. And that's how the government leverages you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yeah, but they didn't do that with Epstein, did.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
They No, exactly, And that's why Again, one of the
main things that gets me so fired up about this
is I've seen normal folks, and I don't even mean
organized crime figures. I'm talking about normal people better as gamblers,
get smacked with RICO and end up having to pay
three hundred and four hundred thousand dollars in legal fees,
only to end up with the Flea deal and they
end up going to prison anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yes, exactly. It's disgusting, Yes, and You know, it's interesting
because the thing about Wexner, it's like anyone who's ever
crossed paths. Was Wexner speaking of actual organized crime? There's
an organized criminal for you, and I can attest to it.
I reported it to the FBI in nineteen ninety six.
They totally ignored it. Then they came back in two

(01:12:39):
thousand and six ignored it still but said they were
going to get Epstein and Geland and all the others. Right,
they're still ignoring Les Wexner. Les Wexner and his wife
bought a new thirty six million dollar property. I believe it.
It's on Jupiter Island. I'm not sure where you buy
something that extensive. And they, of course she's going to
focus on drissage now, right, So that's what these people do.

(01:13:04):
But god forbid all their victims have any kind of
not only not compensation, but how about just how about
just an.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Apology, no recognition whatsoever of any involvement, of any sort
of fallout or oh, I'm just going to resign for
my positions and that's going to be the end of that. Yeah, right,
uh huh yeah, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Westerner's entire company suit him and made him step down
based on one of the major things was me what
he did to me, But the government has never done
anything to hold him accountable for kidnapping, with which there's
no statute of limitations false imprisonment. I was raped because

(01:13:47):
of him, I was assaulted because of him. I was
I was destroyed. And you know, and what these people
do too, because of the nepotism is they're able to
get into the inner circles of the art world, spread
the word. And there was no way I could sell
art anymore. So then I was also destitute and in hiding, right,
And then they also sent this guy that they pretended
to be my friend, that was actually giving them information

(01:14:11):
and I I until I moved to North Carolin. Until
I moved to North Carolina, that man was in my life,
and uh, very it was. He was very harmful to me,
very very harmful. It's and I am not suicidal, but
it's amazing that I'm not because I spent Bobby has
been over twenty years really just alone with dogs. I
couldn't do anything with humans because everything I would have

(01:14:33):
to say would be a lie. And so I would
go to like the pawn shop in North Carolina. There
was this Jewish guy owned this pawn shop, and this
other guy, this Italian owned a clock shop. And I
would go hang out with those two men all day long.
And so I'm sure they're in North Carolina somewhere, going, Wow,
we didn't know Mario was up to stuff, working behind
the scenes. I was just trying to learn about clocks

(01:14:55):
and gold.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
And stuff, right, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Yeah. And and I'm not saying and you're like me,
you're kind of a you like to belong and it's
a wonderful thing, but too much of it is toxic.
And so also like when you have to lose your
best friends, which I'm back in touch with now, thank god.
But you know, while I was in hiding, George was
in prison and another friend of mine too that suffered

(01:15:19):
this group. So it's interesting, you know, they were definitely
set up. Right now, George is being harassed like like
you wouldn't believe by Linda Reid. Linda Reid has an
ankle bracelet on him. Now, George had never been to Iowa,
and he was charged with more of these wire fraud things.
He'd never been there. After his sentence was finished of

(01:15:42):
ten years, which he did a sentence for some of
the crime did not commit. He then was told, no,
you're not leaving today, You're being transferred to Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Yeah, sounds about right. That's what they do, that kind
of stuff all the time. And they'll have your whole
family waiting for you. Yes, they won't let nobody know.
And then they'll play these games and then they want
why people are so fired up and so mad about
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Rights disgusting is so Linda Reid right now has an
ankle bracelet on George, so he's being okay. So, not
only did they take all of his money, right, he
had millions of dollars. He was a young man, but
he had been terribly successful, and he had been kept
by John DuPont, who gave him everything for the investments

(01:16:24):
that he made. So he built an empire. The government
took it all, and the prosecutor gave like one of
his apartments to his brother, his own brother. The prosecutor's
brother got the place. The artwork went around, you know,
the FBI, the sd and why they stole my art.
They stole Epstein's art. They've stolen George's art. They one
of the paintings George got was from Missus Floorsheim, a

(01:16:46):
woman that is just a tremendous artist, and she gave
him an Andy Warhol because George had always admired it.
And the FBI took it right. They just took it well.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Asked why they can legally seize all of your property
under reco predit. Yeah, the under rico predicates and that's
what I'm talking about. So say that I'm involved in
a criminal enterprise and I send you some money because
I care about you, you're my friend. They can legally
seize your bank account, freeze your bank account, and seize

(01:17:19):
your assets.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
It's insane. We are not in a safe country.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Well, I'll tell you what, and guess what. The people
that keep on going back and voting for the incumbents
each and every time, I don't understand. I'm at the
point where I just don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
It's peaceful anarchy or bust at the stage. Yeah, we
have to peacefully create our own party.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
There has to be a revolution at the ballot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Revolution that's at the ballot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Box where people and we vote for candidates that aren't
shoved down our throats. But the problem is, right those
people getting the exposure that they deserve.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yes, yeah, revolution at the ballot box. That's exactly right.
It's sickening, it really is. And I was never a
political person until I made reported two presidents to the FBI,
and they ignored me for twenty years. They ignored me
until two thousand and six, so they waited ten years
to follow up with me. And can you imagine my surprise.

(01:18:14):
I'm totally off grid. I didn't have a cell phone,
I didn't have a credit nothing, didn't have a driver's license.
I literally was off grid, Bobby, and they knocked on
my door, this fabulous looking woman, Nesbit kirk ad All,
and she's like hi, And I'm like, oh God, is
this about my student loans? Because I don't need money,
you know? And she said no, no, she thought that

(01:18:35):
was adorable, and she said, no, this is about your
nineteen ninety six FBI report. Can we come in?

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Can you imagine? And I'm living here. I was living
with like every stray dog that would show up, I
would just put them in my house and I felt
totally safe. People are like, do you have a gun?
I'm like, and I didn't need one. I have a
bunch of dogs. You know, nobody got in my house,
but lug I did. But they all pass now that

(01:19:02):
they were precious. They were the best, most rewarding thing
that happened to me. And so I spent my thirties
and forties with dogs. But because of the government, because
of that, I didn't get to have I don't know
the man I loved all of my life have to
have children with him, or you know, the little things
that happen, like having a life and not hiding and

(01:19:24):
lying about what your name is and not having to
pretend you're someone else for twenty three years. That would
be great. I'd like to do that over, but I
don't get to. So I want to get Wexner because
he did this. Touches because he's mafia. Everyone and I
don't mean the Italians, but because he's mafia, everyone he
touches goes down. He just decides, and it's the most

(01:19:46):
insane thing. Imagine that there's a plexiglass wall right in
front of your face and you have to and you're
told constantly to walk forward, but you can't. Wexner is
that plexiglass wall. I don't know what power he has
with this government, but it's so insane. I can mention
anyone right and they'll they'll they'll research it. But if
you dare say the name Leslie Wexner, everybody walks out

(01:20:10):
of the room. And I mean, I'm talking like you know,
interviews have been canceled because of it. I canceled sixty
minutes because I didn't want to not talk about Leslie Wexner.
I'm tired of the charade, you know. I've had a
lot of MSM people come to me in the last year,
and I didn't want to do anything because I'm totally
daunted by the fact that I will say it and
say it and say it, and then they don't put

(01:20:30):
it on air. And a lot of these people are
very nice and it's not their problem. It's like they're
overseen by Walt Disney, you know. So there's that problem.
But also, like I want to get into the angle
two about how so George had a modeling agency, right,
and he set this up with with John DuPont, and

(01:20:55):
he was traded from like he was sold trafficked from
Leslie weck Listener to John DuPont at the age of fourteen.
He made some people mad by publicly coming forward and
discussing Leslie Wesner at the stage and discussing some of

(01:21:16):
John DuPont's abuses, and discussing some of the other things
about that family, and all of a sudden, here he
is charged with federal crimes. And so my point is
they're trying to they're trying to now say that he
has restitution to pay to these pretend like victims that
have never come forward because they don't exist. The victims

(01:21:37):
are in the minds of the SDN y Buthole government
and Linda Reid, who is a racist who hates And
I don't use that word very often because I think
it's stupid, because I think most people are labeled that
and it's not really true. But this woman is a racist.
She specifically hates black people. It is so obvious and
it's so painful if you read about her, the people

(01:22:00):
she's put away, and her husband has invested. I think
I sent you an article on that, how her husband
invested in the prison system. And the next day they're
resting all the immigrants.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Interesting, right, you look look at all of them. You
have these congress people, you have the senators. They're all
getting rich on insider trading stock tips, the gratz hustle
and the rest of it, while the rest of us, well,
you know, we get we get more inflation. You can't
have any baby formula that has to get rations. So
these people, they're really pushing the envelope. And really it's

(01:22:31):
at a point now where people are not going to
take it for much longer.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
I hope not, because I don't think if it continues
that children are the are the thing used against our
own people. You know, that's so sick. I mean, basically, like,
I don't know, I just there are too many corrupt
government officials, right, and I'm just curious, like why no

(01:22:57):
one goes through the Black Book and focuses on all
the people listed that are in our government. I don't know.
Like John Kerry, why was he really good friends with
Jeffrey Epstein. That's weird. She I wonder if he was involved.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Huh, Well, you know with guys like John Kerry too
and Jeffrey Epstein. It's funny to me that anybody who
worked and did business with the Council of Foreign Relations
from ninety six till two thousand and what eight nine,
anyone who did that business with them or sat on
that Council who says they didn't have anything to do
with Epstein while they're lying because he's part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Funny, that's funny you'd bring that up because Vicky Ward's
on the Council of Foreign Relations.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Look, all you have to do is tell me that
you're involved with the CFR and I know to go far,
far away from you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Far away. Okay, So I don't want to focus on
that trollope, but I just wanted to tell you something
funny about that prestitute right now. She Actually there was
a man on TV recently who's a famous plastic surgeon,
and I mean, I'm sorry, but she looks like you know,
she's Taggart. She hasn't gone through chemo therapy. She's my age,
that woman. She looks like a little bitty bird whose

(01:24:07):
face is melting off. And he was bragging about being
her plastic surgeon. And I was like, god, dude, I'm
gonna write to him and say, I don't think i'd
brag about that face because it's like really bad bad wrinkles.
But anyway, and I think it's because she's such an
ugly person inside. And I think ugly begins to show
and on Twitter. I would always say hashtag Satan showing
more as to wake people up, like as a joke,
Like seriously, evil does show in the face after a

(01:24:29):
few years. I mean, if you look at that Amber
her trial right now, I know I'm just giving around,
but she looks evil. I'm like, man, sum's up with
that woman? So I think I think when you're maybe
mentally ill or cruel, it starts to show or narcissistic,
like Vicky Ward, it begins to show, and you know,
and then we have Julie Brown on this vein. Julie

(01:24:53):
Brown is now trying desperately to get George Talks to
do an interview, and he refuses. She is absolutely an
aged and Bobby, I'm sorry, but Berman, as head of
sdn Y, credits her with them knowing Jeffrey Epstein and
says that he's never heard of Jeffrey Epstein until Julie
Brown of the Miami Herald heroically exposed him. The problem

(01:25:16):
is he'd already been arrested several years before for pedophilia.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Yeah, everybody knew who he was, but the sdn Y, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
No, I told them in nineteen ninety six, so they
knew damn well, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Yeah, and there's such a it's such a clown show
over there at this point did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
The clown show? I want to say the only apology.
You know, those girls, the athletes that were famous, they
got an apology from the FBI. I think they made
like two hundreds millions. Yes, they got two hundred million
dollars apiece, which is unfathomable to me from some kind
of you know, lawsuits. The government's giving her, giving them
all this money, right because they were representing the government. Well,

(01:25:54):
what about regular citizens? Why don't we get any I
didn't get an apology from the FBI. It's been twenty
six years. Where's my app I want to testify in
front of Congress. I want to tell them what I
think and on that, on that vein, I want to
talk about something. When George had this modeling agency, he
had to deal with all the same people I dealt with,
and they're all in the Black Book, okay. And one

(01:26:16):
of them that may not be in the Black Book
but is very much a part of this group was
Barney Frank. And Barney Frank would have his lover at
the time, Stephen Gobi, would contact George all the time
to try to harass him to get some young boys.
You know, he wanted young boy models. And that leads
me to Trump, who until he ran for president, had

(01:26:39):
trump modeling management.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Oh yeah, he was. He was waist deep in the
whole modeling game for a long ass time. That was
like his claim to fam almost.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
All modeling agencies unless they can prove otherwise, for trafficking.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
I hear you. It's gross, and I'm very vocal about
how I feel about them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
I know because they also all run anti trafficking agencies.
Katie Ford, why were you best friends with Jeffrey Epstein,
Glenn Maxwell, Eileen Guggenheim and everyone else in the Wexner coobal?
Katie Ford, come forward and discuss this and stop hiding
behind pretending like you're enabling your helping not enable trafficking

(01:27:20):
when you enabled it your entire career. You make me sick.
Katie Ford, and your husband Andre Bilotts, was he titillated
by all the young kids because he was certainly around
Epstein a lot. I would just like them to come
forward and answer some things because none of them, and
we've all had our right we all saw them and
George and had to deal with them as well, the
same exact people. And you know what, some very like

(01:27:47):
low level kind of considered conspiracy theorists, people that are
now trying to make their way up in the world,
were tried to get in my head and lie and
tell all these really ugly things that had been put
online about George by sdn Y and other people. Right,
And they think that they're these brilliant researchers, but really
all they dug up was a bunch of gossip, which

(01:28:09):
made me start thinking how much else did they dig
up that was a conspiracy? And I'm not going to
listen to them anymore, you know, And I'm starting to
get like really grossed out by people just going over
the top with conspiracy theories when there's actual conspiracy factualities occurring,
like children are actually being stolen and no one cares,

(01:28:30):
and a lot of these children are being picked up
at places like the bus stop or you know, homeless shelters.
You know, they picked the most vulnerable in society, and
they also pick normal people. I was a very normal person.
I was just vulnerable because I was destitute, you know,

(01:28:50):
But I also had a master's degree and an amazing
amount of talent and a whole career under me and
I had a famous mentor, Eric Fischel, and the it
doesn't matter because once, once they get once the people
on the very inside decide that you're not going to
be part of it anymore. They just get rid of you,
and you do starve and or you go to jail

(01:29:12):
and starve, or you go to jail starve your reputations
are in or you just don't have a family. Yeah,
and you know, so Julie Brown is an agent, Vicky
Ward's an agent. This is my opinion. They are the nastiest,
dirtiest agents out there and they're writing for our government.
So don't read their garbage because it's lives.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
And I know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Because of the things that they wrote about me and
then said they wrote about me, and you know that gets.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
You have Julie K. Brown who's being sued right now
by Courtney and Hayley.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
So that's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
You know that they're looking to crowd. Yeah, so it's
like it's almost like this weird like I don't know,
almost like anointing of Julie K. Brown for writing that story.
And don't get me wrong, great, I think it's a
good a good thing that she wrote the story. But
I said, from the very bet.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
He didn't write the story. She didn't write the story.
She stole the notes from from Brad's investigators.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Here's the thing, though, Here's here's what I'm saying though, Marie.
Here's what I think though, that if it wasn't for Acosta,
she would have never had any interest in the first place.
So it was always a political bend from Jump Street.
If it had nothing to do with the Costa, she
wouldn't have cared about your story or about you. So
that's what it comes down to. For me, it was
all about Acosta. But the problem is that's that's where
they stopped, and they showed their cards. If you don't

(01:30:32):
want to be a partisan, you don't want to be
one of these tribalists, go all the way up to
the top to Mukasey, who really gave the order.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Yes, are you there? Yep, I'm here, Okay, okay, cut
out for a second. Okay, So I just missed the
last part. You said you don't want to be a
part what.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Well, if they really want to go after who who
made the decision, they should go all the way upstairs.
To move because he's the one who signed off on it.
A Costa is just a spineless, know nothing mid level manager.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
That's right. But they don't care to uncover the truth
because they already know the truth and they're being paid
to not not reveal it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Well, they want to. They want to put enough of
the truth out there that they can sew a bunch
of innuendo so that they can give their buddies a
loophole and a technicality to slide out of later on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Right, and you know who helps them, Disney, Because right
now Hulu is coming out with a documentary. And I
was so excited because the nicest girl reached out to
me and uh oh, she was just very patient with me,
you know, while I was sick, and she was kind
and hopeful. And they're not revealing the story at all.

(01:31:44):
They're doing a documentary on how Victoria's Secret had a downfall.
Who cares? That is the trashiest, most irrelevant, disgusting company.
Please go away, go away, change your name from dirty.
Your company was run by a pedophile and it's called
Somebody's Secret. That's filthy. I want it out of here,

(01:32:05):
make it go away, please.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
By they're also They have a documentary coming out right now,
well in April later on another week or so about
the downfall of Abercrombie and Fitch as well another L
brand's product. Yeah, what a joke.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
So that's all a cover up for the fact that
Les Wexner has intercourse with little boys and little girls
when they're underage. That's called Pedocelia, And I wish she
would sue me so badly so we could go to
court and go to Discovery and we could find out
all of his dirty deeds. But he won't do it.
And he won't do it too, because I can prove

(01:32:41):
I was at his house, and I can prove I
was assaulted there, and I have too many witnesses, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
I mean, yeah, if he says you're lying, it's a
real simple fix. He could send you real quick and
be done with it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
I wish he would sue me, I wish so badly,
but he won't. None of these people will sue me
because I'm telling the truth in their tears. And they
don't want their names affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein. And that's
too bad, because they made decisions that affiliated their names
with Jeffrey Epstein and there are few people that are
going to start coming forward, some of the other girls.
This isn't going to be controlled by lawyers or anyone else. Sorry,

(01:33:15):
We're going to reveal the information and we'll do it slowly.
But I think people should start asking John Currey some
questions right now. I'd like to ask John Carey some questions.
Do you have an interest in pedophilia? John Carey? Why
are you such good friends with Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell?
John Carey, why were you doing business with them? What
is your deal? John Carey?

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
He sure was pictured at the house. I mean, look,
oh he sure. The thatts are the facts, you know.
Here's the thing. The facts are the facts. And I
don't really give a shit about either of these stupid
ass political parties that caused me all kinds of grief
on a day to day basis. Here's what I care about.
All of these people who are involved being rounded up,
being indicted and being tried. That's all I care about.

(01:33:56):
That's what I wanted me too, so they can keep
their political games. And I said it in an episode
recently that anyone who wants to use this Jeffrey Epstein
topic and your your story and the story of the
other survivors as a political cudgel. They should just go
fuck themselves because I realize it's ridiculous. It causes a
lot of drama, It causes just problems.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Yes, and here's the thing, both political parties were heavily involved.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Yeah, just follow the money, follow the money.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
You're skated out of this earth without being imprisoned for
raping children. Richardson the state that the government then gives
him all their government land and he builds a pedophile
mansion on it. And now that the man who literally
did all the human trafficking, literally trafficked the children in

(01:34:48):
his flip an airplane, that man was given that land
and he's a millionaire. Now, why are all the people
that enabled Jeffrey Epstein, like Sarah Kellen leslie Groff, Why
is see and why letting them skate? And they tried
to get George talks on anything, And why did they
try to get me? And why are they? I know,
I mean these are rhetorical questions, of course, because we

(01:35:11):
all know that this group only it's nepotism, It only
helps itself. And the problem is it's not going to
stop until enough people wake up and start stop playing
this game of volleyball. My team, your team. The only
team is the team of humanity versus these absolute idiot,

(01:35:33):
scumbag manipulative creatures who've taken over our government.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
It's a pretty good explanation of what they are, because
I feel the same way. Look, I'm so tired of it,
the whole charade, the whole wrestling facade that they put on.
Oh we hate this one or we hate that one. Well,
at the same time, they're all breaking bread behind the
scenes while they have everybody fired up and hating their
neighbor enough already. Come, Oh yeah, why are people still

(01:35:58):
falling for it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
I don't know, Like the black white thing, It's like
people falls for the skin thing. It's your skin, Who cares?

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
The first thing you learn as an artist in lighten
color physics is that white is the combination of all color.
Therefore the most colored people on earth, of the white people.
The irony is so thick that there are people like
Bill Gates trying to get rid of people with skin
coloring when they have more color in their skin. I mean, here,
the whole thing is backwards.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Here's the thing that everybody needs to understand, none of
that matters. Here's what matters. Here's what matters. Okay, do
you have financial power or don't you? If you do
not have financial power, you do not matter. And if
you have financial power, that means millions of dollars my friends.
So those of you who are sitting out there with
your great careers and you know your six figure incomes, great,

(01:36:45):
you're doing good, but you do not have financial power. Now,
those are the ones who make the decisions in this country.
Doesn't matter who you are or what ethnicity.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
You are, It doesn't matter if you're poor.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
If you're poor, you have a boot on your neck.
Believe it or not, like it or not. That's just
the facts that is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
That is an absolute truth. I do think though, there
are certain groups in society that are more you know,
more singled out. Maybe, I mean, I don't know. It
just feels like, just like I said again, because George
is the thing that he's gay, it feels like, you know,
some of these like low level podcasters are snubbing us.
And I just think that's really funny since the mainstream

(01:37:25):
media is like embracing the story and like totally digging
into it, you know. But I just think we needed
people like you, Bobby, to spread the work. You're the man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Look, you know me. Here's the thing, I just I
roll by myself. I don't need anyone to co sign me.
I don't need to go on anyone else's show. I
don't need help. I don't. I do my own work.
I spend my own money. I don't ask for crowdfunding,
none of that stuff I do because at the end
of the day, I have my own gripes with the
way the government conducts itself. So this, this was a

(01:37:57):
springboard for me, and it brings to launch me into
or it and make me completely and utterly disgusted by
what was going on. Yeah, but here's the thing. Even
if I wasn't here right now doing this behind the microphone,
my poor family and friends would be subjected to these
rants out in the backyard as we were token or
swimming or whatever we were doing. So I figured out

(01:38:17):
I might as well get behind the microphone right and
ran and ray for the whole world to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
I don't talk about any of this to the world,
like none of my actually, no one that knew me
in my life until you know, the last three years,
even knew about this, no one like you know, Annie
and I never discussed Ebstein. But man, did it ever
feel good to get on like your show and just
let it rip and let people know the truth. Because
the truth doesn't come out of many people. And it's
funny because as soon as people start worrying about their

(01:38:43):
careers or oh, I have a career, now I have
to worry about it. Oh really, Okay, you're not going
to have a career if you act like that. And
you know you don't do that because you're a one
man's show and you know you know where the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
And here's the thing, I don't really I don't care, right, Like,
what are you gonna do? Oh, you're I'll stop listening
to the pod, stop listening god whatever, man look at
At the end of the day, I'll start talking about
other things. You know, I have a million different subjects
I can talk about with a bazillion other people that
want to listen. So I'm not here to I'm not
here to convince anybody of anything. I'm not here to

(01:39:18):
make you feel one way or the other. I'm here
to curate this story. I'm here to give my opinion
on it and to read in between the lines and
say the shit other people don't want to say. Being
digestible is not something that I attempt to be.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
I'm so grateful, so, you know, incredibly grateful. Thank you
so much for this interview.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Of course, Maria. Look, it's like I said, anytime you
want to come on and tell your truth, your story,
what happened to you and what you you know, have
to say, you are welcome. Yeah, you're more than welcome
to come onto my podcast anytime. And the people out
there that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Look and you're a friend to truth too. You're not worried,
you don't have an ego, you're not worried about readings.
You care about the truth. And that is the rarest thing.
It's really rare.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
Look at my age, I'm more of a get off
the long kind of guy than let me get on
social media and I type myself up. I am what
I am. Everybody who listens to this podcast understands who
I am. At this point, it's four years, every single day,
the same rants, the same ships. See I am as
consistent as the sun. My friends.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
I love that about you. I love it. And look
you give Carrie my love, by the way, and tell her.
I had a clean scan, Bobby, A clean scan.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Yes, I definitely will. She's in the other room right now,
right behind this door, hanging out with my pack of
wild beasts.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Oh that's awesome. I'm gonna go walk my little pack.

Speaker 1 (01:40:51):
All right. Well, look, Maria, it is always a pleasure
having you on the show. Thank you so much for
coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Thank you so much, and.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Obviously I look forward to having you come back on
very very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
I do too, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
All right, all right, Maria, have a great day.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Thank you, Bye bye.

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