December 28, 2025 • 30 mins
On August 22, 2025, the U.S. Department of Justice released redacted transcripts and audio recordings of a two-day interview it conducted in July with Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring. During the interview, Maxwell denied ever seeing any inappropriate behavior by former President Donald Trump, describing him as a “gentleman in all respects,” and insisted she “never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.” She also rejected the existence of a so-called “client list,” countering years of speculation, and claimed to have no knowledge of blackmail or illicit recordings tied to Epstein.
In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
source:
Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to begin taking
a look at the Glenn Maxwell transcripts that just dropped.
So Todd Blanche is going to be the one asking
the questions and obviously the skafuzza Glenn Maxwell will be
doing the answering. And this is day number one, July
(00:22):
twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Todd Blanche, Good morning, miss Maxwell.
How are you? And when I say answer, that's Glenn
Maxwell answering, and if there's any deviation from that I'll
make sure to notate that as we work our way
through this answer. Good morning, mister Blanche. Question good okay,
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So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes.
I introduced myself and we've chatted and now I've told
you that we're going on the record, and before we
start asking questions, I know that you've been given by
your lawyer a copy of what's called a proper agreement
and I just want to spend two minutes making sure
that you want tonderstand what that governs and what our
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conversation today is going to be. The most important part
of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement,
meaning that by you meeting with us today, we're really
just meeting. We're not promising to do anything. Well besides
mover to a different facility. How mister Blanche, I'm not
promising to ask Judge Nathan or any of the judges
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that's been assigned to your case to do anything. We're
just talking, and so that's the most important part of
this agreement. However, almost as important is the fact that
what this agreement does for you is it gives you protection.
So what it means is that the government cannot use
what you say today against you, with some exceptions, which
(01:43):
we'll talk about in a minute, but whatever you talk
about today, you have what's called immunity. So that means
that your words that you say today we cannot use
against you in a case in chief if we were
ever to bring one. Okay, Glenn Maxwell, thank you Blanche.
All right. There's exceptions to that, the most meaningful one
of which is that if you say something today that's
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not true, that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution
against you for what's called a false statement. So I'm
a federal officer, I have several officers here, the FBI
is here, and if you lie to someone that's like
me or like Special Agent Horn, it's a crime. So
you have to be truthful. The other exception to this
that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there
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ever was a retrial in your case, or if there
was ever a criminal case a future criminal case against you,
and you're a lawyer, or you said something different or
it took a position that's different than what you say today,
then we can cross examine you or a witness based
upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced,
meaning I can't use what you say against you in
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our case in chief. However, if you were to testify,
or if you're a lawyer called a witness to testify
and they said something that is totally different than what
you say today, we could cross examine you or the
witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met
with miss Maxwell. When we met with miss Maxwell back
in July of twenty twenty five, she told us then
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and then say what she said. Okay, Maxwell, I understand Blanche, Okay.
Other than that, you I know you didn't have a
lot of time with this morning to meet with mister Marcus.
But did you have a chance to go over this
briefly with them? Maxwell? I did, Blanche, okay, all right,
so I've already signed it, as has special agent Horn. Maxwell. Okay,
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and mister Marcus signed it as well. So you got
a pen. Please sign it Maxwell right here, Blanche, right here,
it says client, Yes, and I will provide you a
copy of this to your lawyer. So you guys have it. Maxwell,
thank you, Blanche, Okay, thank you, so, miss Maxwell. About
a week and a half ago or two weeks ago,
(03:55):
Spencer Horn, can you see the light blinking on there
on the sony? Yeah, there it is, Blanche. Okay. We're
just confirming that it works, and it does. Maxwell. I
guess about a week and a half or two weeks ago,
mister Marcus reached out to me and said that that
you wanted to speak with somebody from the government about
not only your case, but about everything that's been in
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the media and that's been publicized about mister Epstein in
your case. Maxwell. That's she gets cut off by Blanche,
did he Maxwell cuts her off? That's true. And I
did speak to him and I did ask him if
oh and tell him that I would be very keen
to talk to anyone, because no one from the government
at any time ever in since the inception of the case,
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so dating back to the early two thousands, has ever
spoken to me. And indeed, I believe ever reached out
to me at any time to even speak to me,
and that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted.
I believe that, or I understand I should say rather
that my attorneys at the time did tell the government
that I wanted to speak to them because I was
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very keen to meet with anyone so that I could
tell or have the mask me any question. I've never
had any problem to speak to anybody, and I offered
myself and I keep asking if they would meet with
me so I could talk to them, and for whatever
reason to that, she's cut off by Blanche Okay, Maxwell,
that was not happening. Blanche Okay. I have questions that
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I want to ask you, but I'm not. If there's
a path a question that I'm not asking that you
think should be asked, I invite you to volunteer. Same
thing goes for your lawyers. Oh yeah, let's let Maxwell
lead the party. It's already a shit show, folks, Just
to start a little bit, very briefly, can you talk
about when you first met mister Epstein. I know that
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goes back a while, and just very generally talk about
your relationship with mister Epstein from the time you met
him all the way up until until his death. I
met mister Epstein in nineteen ninety one, my I had
I had never heard of him or met him before,
and no one in my family had either. My father
never knew him. And I'll explain why that is the case.
(06:01):
I met to that. Blanche cuts her off. Where did
you Where did you meet him? Maxwell? I had a
girlfriend who I was Yeah, I moved to America. Briefly,
I'd moved to America in ninety Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
well moved, that's a big word. I'd come to visit
America in nineteen ninety. I had been running my own
company up until that time, which was a company called
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Maxwell's Corporate Gifts, and I had also been working for
my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him.
I was in nineteen ninety I was working with a
new company of his, a newspaper that was launching called
The European and I was in charge of launching a
magazine to go with the European and I was traveling
at the time from England to America because my father
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was looking too well. He'd also bought McMillan, the publishing house,
and he purchased the New York Daily News. And it's
truth that my father always wanted me to come back
full time and work for him. But that's a much
longer story I don't think we need to go into
at this time. So, but I was always working with him.
There was no escaping it, as it were, to work
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for him. So in nineteen ninety I had come over
to New York to help look at some of that.
He was having some advertising issues with the New York
Deli News, and in fact I met I may have
met Donald Trump at that time, because my father was
friendly with him and liked him very much. And I
think should be said that he also very much liked
Ivana because she was also from Czechoslovakia, where my dad
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was from. So I don't I don't remember if I
did meet him or not in nineteen ninety with my dad,
but I knew That's what I knew about about mister Trump.
Blanche and This was before you met to that. He's
interrupted by Maxwell. This was before I met mister Epstein. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,
all right, Maxwell. So I was already going backwards and
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forwards in America, and then in April of nineteen ninety one,
I came to New York. But I can't remember for
what reason, what business reason, but there was a business reason,
something to do with my dad at the time. And
a girlfriend of mine, who an American, told me I
had broken up with my long term I'd been engaged
getting my long term boyfriend and we'd broken up. And
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she said, I've got you, know, as your girlfriends do.
I've got a guy for you to meet. And I
was like, well, who is he? And she goes, it's
he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking
for a wife. I'm edging towards thirty. I don't need
to tell you, guys, that's a very important moment for
a girl to think about important things. And sure I'd
be happy to meet him. And so sometime in nineteen
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ninety one, now we are in nineteen ninety one, I
met him at his office on Madison Garden, and I
think the most memorable thing I can think about that
is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do.
It had a giant seem like a ketchup stain on it.
So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how
we met. Was you're a meeting at his office for
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you to meet him just personally, or you're there to
that he's cut off by Maxwell. I was just and
then Blanche cuts her off work related reasons. Maxwell. No
I knew nothing about him, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. He just
invited me to come and have tea, and I was like, tea,
that's English, Okay. What was unusual was in his office.
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So I went to his office and we met and
I found him very engaging. And that was that, Blanche.
So okay, that's how you met him. So we and
again I don't want to spend a lot of time,
you know, on this particular issue, but what happened with
your relationship over the years from the time you meet
him in ninety one up until the time he passed
away to this Marcus interjects, just give the highlights, Maxwell, Okay,
(09:47):
the highlights. So I was looking for real estate for
my dad to buy some and Epstein told me that
he was also looking to move from his apartment and
would I help him, And I said, sure, I'm looking already,
so if I could look for him. So that's how
I started. And then in nineteen ninety one my father
passed away and I returned to New York after that,
originally to come back and help with the family business,
(10:09):
which was McMillan. And then the debacle of my father's
passing hit the family and we lost all of our businesses,
and my family thought it would be best if I
stayed in America because of the intensity of the press
and the drama surrounding my father's death in England, so
I stayed in Epstein instead. Well, you can keep helping me.
You can help me find a house and we can
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decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. Blanche,
were you in a romantic relationship with him at this
point or just friends? Maxwell? No, just friends, Blanche. And
while we're just with respect to your father, there has
been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency.
Do you have any knowledge about that, Glenn Maxwell, I think, well,
(10:50):
certainly my father had a background and intelligence during because
he was I believe he did in the Second World War.
He was an intelligent British intelligence office. I think that
my sort of belief is that once you've been an
intelligence officer, you're kind of always It doesn't mean that
you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in
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any formal sense was you know, employed by the agency.
But when you are a very significant businessman and politician,
as my father was, you meet with people over time
and I guess trade, business or ideas. I think if
that would fall under that definition, that's how I would
give it. Now. He certainly I have no formal knowledge
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of anything specifically that he did in that thing. But
if you're asking me if I thought that he did
help people, the answer would be yes, I did, Blanche,
did your father and mister Epstein have a business relationship
over the years. I know we're maybe jumping around a
little bit. Maxwell, they never met, So Blanche cuts her
off as far as you know, they never met Maxwell,
(11:52):
know I Blanche cuts her off again? Or you know
they never met Maxwell. I know they never met, Blanche. Well,
how do you know they never met Maxwell? They just
categorically I know they never met. Well because after in
nineteen ninety one, before my father died, he asked me
if I'd met anyone interesting or whatever, you know, because
I was still trying not to be sucked back into
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the family business. And I told him that I had
met mister Epstein. And the reason why I shared that
I had met mister Epstein because I believed at the
time that Epstein worked for Bar of Stearns, and Bar
of Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew
that my father was friendly with both Jimmy kin and
Ace Greenberg. So my dad came was actually in New York.
(12:35):
I think if I remember, I may. I don't think
I had the conversation on the phone, but I honestly
were talking thirty years ago, so I'm not sure. But
maybe I told him this verbatim because it happened. I
know that what my dad did. Whether I saw it
or whether I was told later that, I don't remember.
But he called both Jimmy Kine and Ace Greenberg to
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ask if what sort of guy he was even a
because a bunch of mumbling here and she's interrupted by
Blanche once again, so they never they never met Maxwell.
He didn't even know who he was, Blanche, but they
had certainly some of the people it sounds like or
certainly the Barristerns connection was something that you know they had. Maxwell. No, well,
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he never had a connection with Epstein. He had a
connection with the bank. I mean Epstein. I'd never heard
of him or knew of them before. And I certainly
if my dad had known him, right when I said
this is who he was, he didn't know who he was. Blanche, Yeah,
Maxwell's who he rang A's and he rang Jimmy. So
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to ask them if it was okay that I even
knew him. And I just want to explain briefly why
my father would even do such a thing. I had
some interesting things that have happened in my life, and
one of them was to be found on an IRA
kidnapp and murder list. And so after that happened, well
there were other related I'm not going to bore you
with all the horrible things in that vein, but if
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you want the details, of course I can. But after
that happened, my father wanted to put a lot of
protection on me, obviously, and I declined on the grounds
that would be a very life restricting event. You were
all in law enforcement, I know you understand this, and
so he told me that, you know, I would be
taking my life into my own hands and then whatever.
And so I think after that event and several others
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where I had stalkers and all the things that one has,
he was always quite protective of me, and so if
I met somebody, he would try and verify that they
weren't going to do anything hideous. And so in this case,
he thought it was weird that he would call Jimmy
en das it might you know, you may think it is,
but from my perspective, it was because he was concerned
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I was in America alone and he was an opportunity
to verify who this person was. And so I don't
know if I was in the room with him, I
don't recall, but I know that at some point my
father told me he's fine. See him, Todd Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell,
he's safe, Todd Blanche. Okay, all right, we're gonna wrap
up episode one right here, and in the next episode,
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we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
picking up where we left off with day one of
the Glen Maxwell transcripts Blanche, Well, okay, so we might
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come back to touch on that a little bit more
on the same point. But to that, Maxwell interrupts them. Yeah,
Blanche again, I went down a rabbit hole for a minute. Maxwell,
That's all right. I just wanted to know. She gets
cut off by Blanche. That's helpful, thank you. So, Okay,
so you're you're now in the nineties and you're friends
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with mister Epstein, your house decorating the house or the apartment.
What happens with your relationship again. I know we're talking
about a thirty five year time period or whatever, but
to the extent you kind of at a very high
level talk about it, Maxwell, listen, I think just full
disclosure is the best way to go at this point. Blanche. Yeah. Maxwell.
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So in ninety two I slept with them one time,
and I was like, whoa, that's it. We're going to
be dating because that's what I thought. And I kind
of thought of myself in that moment, like because you
I felt if you slept with someone that you were
dating them. Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell, that's the world I came from.
But what really was well, that's how I thought, And
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but we didn't sleep together again for I don't know,
really a significant period of time. And when I say
to that, she's cut off by Blanche again, like years
or Maxwell. I don't know if it was a year,
I don't it feels that long, but maybe nine months.
I mean a long time Todd, Blanche Okay, Maxwell and
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I just want to go back to I had found
a house for him to rent to New York because
he asked me, and I had been looking for one
for my father, and I found one which was a
former Iranian embassy I think it was. I think it
belonged to the Iranians or the Iraqis or someone. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
and I didn't know that he had any money. It was,
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like I want to say, it was twelve thousand a month,
which to me seemed like a fortune. And I said
to myself, I found this house, but I don't think
you can afford it. He was like, that's ridiculous. Of
course I can afford it. And he rented it. And
that house came with it was State department house because
it was I think was under sequestration or whatever it was.
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And I put it back together, but there were certain rules.
You couldn't paint because it had to go back, and
he gave it back to the country. Then, so he
had his house and I moved into a ten foot
by ten foot apartment because all of our stuff had
either been lost or frozen or whatever. So he became
in this moment, my lifeline really because I was everything
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was felt very similar to this moment, if that makes
sense anyway. So I had a key to his house,
I had no free access to his house, and in
the entire time that he lived there, which was I
believe until the beginning of nineteen ninety six, I never
slept a single night in that house, never ever, not one.
Just like I told you folks from the jump, Maxwell
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was never Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend. People telling you that have
been lying to you, Blanche, but you so you said
a minute ago that you had slept with them on
one occasion. And at that time remember thinking, you know
that this meant you were in a relationship, but then
it didn't. You really were not in that type of relationship. Maxwell. Well,
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I thought to that she's cut off by Blanche. Did
that change over between ninety one and ninety two, or whatever.
And years forward. Maxwell, So I did travel with him
a lot, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, So I would go to
his houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house
actually in no, that's not true. We had the house
in Palm Beach, and he had a house in Ohio, Blanche,
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and where Maxwell Ohio? Blanche, okay? Maxwell. And he had
the house in Ohio because of his business relationship with
mister Wexner, and he had and I had to go
to decorate and put that house together. When we traveled together,
we stayed in the same bed. But not but I didn't, Blanche,
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go ahead, It's okay. Talk. So if you stayed so
when you would travel with him to his house in
pom Beach, Ohio, or even just traveling, if it was
just traveling with them, you would stay in the same bed.
So sleep in the same bed with him, Maxwell, Yes,
Blanche okay. Maxwell Epstein told me that he had a
heart condition, David Marcus A what Maxwell a heart condition?
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Marcus heart condition, Blanche A heart condition, okay, Maxwell, which
meant that he didn't have intercourse a lot, which suited
me fe because I actually do have a medical condition
which precludes me from having a lot of intercourse. She
just perjured herself. Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with girls
three times a day, Todd, Blanche, So what was your
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understanding of his heart condition and why was it preventing
him from having intercourse regularly? Maxwell? I don't know. I
mean he liked other forms of sexual activity. Blanche. Well,
let's come back. We're going to obviously spend some time,
a lot of time on the actual conduct he was
accused of. So will Maxwell cuts them off? Okay, what
(20:33):
do you mean, accused of the things he was guilty of, right,
mister Blanche, You piece of garbage, Todd Blanche, Well, we'll
come back to that. So pick up where where you
were talking about you traveling around with him. He rented
the New York former Iranian house, Maxwell Iranian. There you go. Yeah, Blanche,
until around ninety six. At that time, you I believe
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you said that he was basically your life, like you
were with him pretty regularly. Maxwell. Well, I know, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
So I never was with them regularly, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
that is one of those misnomers, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
mean at the beginning I did see more of them,
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but I worked in his office, so I would go
to the office and I would see him, and I
would count in my head when I would see him.
I would count that I would that would be a
day that I would see him. But I didn't. I never, never,
ever stayed with him, I believe, certainly until ninety three
or ninety four. What I didn't know was that I
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think he was still with his actual girlfriend, who was
Eva Anderson, who became Eva Dubin. They had been together
my understanding, I think about ten years. I'm not sure,
but that's what I think, ten years. And I had
understood from my girlfriend initially that they weren't together, and
Epstein himself told me that they were not together, but
I don't think that was true. In fact, I know
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it's not true. So they were still together up until
I think ninety four, when at some point in that
period of time even met Glenn Dubin and they got married.
I think in ninety four. I don't remember when they
got married, but her, she was his best friend and
his everything. He told me that he always wished that
he had married her and had a child with her,
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and I know that day she was family for him,
for his whole life, and I think even I'm not
sure if this is true, but you guys will know
if this is true or not when he came from
back from Paris and you arrested him. I don't know
if Eva was on the plane. Now I think that
either I read it in the discovery that I received,
or I saw it somewhere. But even if she wasn't
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on the plane, there must have been some email communication
where she was in Paris at the same time and
going to fly back one or the other, I don't
know which one it is the correct version of that.
But so they were still obviously very close and remained
throughout the time. In fact, he was still saw a lot.
And so I also know now which I didn't know
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at the time, was that he saw lots of other women.
And I know that now because I can see I
can see it from the fly logs. I know it
now because I can see it from the emails Blanche.
So you know from the case, Maxwell, yes, not from
Blanche cuts her off, that what happened. Maxwell, Yes, I
didn't know. Again, Blanche cuts her off. You didn't know
(23:26):
that along the way, Maxwell, I was contemporaneously. I absolutely
did not know at the time, Blanche, So okay, So
just and we're going to spend time on everything you're
talking about, but just kind of close out the big
picture of your relationship. So we're now in the late nineties,
continue on with again saying or staying high level to
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the extent you can about your relationship with them. Maxwell.
So after my responsibility is increased with each acquisition that
he had in each new project. So I believe the
first thing that he purchased after was the ranch in
New Mexico. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, And so what he had
tasked me with up until that, and I think that
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was purchased in ninety four, if I'm right. So he
had tasked me. One of the things that we did
was visit in my mind, I say every state, but
it wouldn't have been every state, but many states to
go look at real estate property. So I know we
went to Montana, I know we went to Utah. It
was it was to go look at real estate. It
was fun, to be honest. And then I arranged for
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us to go to New Mexico and he just loved
New Mexico. And then I don't remember how the ranch happened.
I don't remember that now it's lost. And then he
ended up buying the ranch, and I think, if I'm right,
it came from well, the kings, who may have been
the governor I you know, bought the ranch and then
I had to deal with that. Dealing with that was
(24:52):
the extent of it. The way that I thought of myself,
or the way that I think is the best way
to explain how my I view my role was as
a general manager, because each property to me was like
a hotel. So the ranch was very challenging because not
only that, but it had BLM land, so it helped
maintain your BLM. You have to have cattle, and I
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love animals, so the first thing horses, and so I
wanted it. If you're going to have a ranch, I
like authenticity, and so I don't think you should have
a ranch if you're not going to have the things
that make it special. Blanche, so were you? Were you
paid by him along the way? Maxwell, So I to
that Blanche cuts her off. During this time, Maxwell, I
(25:34):
became salaried at some point, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, My memory
is I got paid twenty five thousand dollars a year
to begin with. That's my memory, I may be wrong,
And then with each as it became obvious, because I
kept thinking I was going to go home home being England,
and but to that Blanche cuts her off. Did you
and financially you were not relying on them the twenty
(25:57):
five thousand or whatever amount you were paid. Were you
relying on that money to live and did generosity to live?
Or did you have your own money? Maxwell? So there's
he cuts her off again and again. I want to
just make sure we're talking about that, like keeping it
between like the late nineties, you know, maybe I guess
into a little of the two thousands, glam Maxwell. I
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just want to hit something on the head right now.
There's a tremendous amount of reporting that said that I had.
She gets cut off by Leah Saphine a trust fund? Maxwell,
thank you? A trust fund. I have never had a
trust fund at any time. Marcus, So, how did you live?
Did you live with? I mean, twenty five thousand dollars
is not enough to live on? Maxwell? No, So I
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had during this period of time, the Secret the Serious
Fraud Squad had come to see me in relation to
my father's passing and to establish whether I had been
involved in any way with his business or any shenanigans.
I think I told this story many times, so I
don't know if it's now somewhat at all, but I'll
tell you what it what my memory is. So I
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received a letter from them that said about my business,
and my memory may be apocry full. There was a
ps that said, unintelligible, I had nothing. There was no
I was never involved in any of his businesses whatsoever.
So I was free, Blanche. And were you so your
You know, obviously your father and your family had a
lot of businesses. Is it because of the money. Whatever
(27:27):
money or whatever equity was in the business just stayed
with your other family members. Maxwell, No, there was no money.
So my father was never attached to money. He was
born a peasant or real one dirt floor, no shoes
or clothes. Some clothes, but not you know, Sorry, I
don't mean to say nothing. And he never he was
never into that. I mean there were things that he had,
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his extravagances. He loved his boat and his plane, so
obviously you need money for that, but there was no
nothing else. There was not a single penny that came
to any of us at any time ever, Blanche. Okay,
So when you're talking about your life with Epstein in
the nineties, you're not very different financially. You're a very
different financially position than he is. Oh, here we go.
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This is all about making her a victim. That's what
this is. You should be disgusted by this bullshit. Oh
poor Maxwell was only making twenty five g's a year, Blanche,
meaning he'd give you money. He's paying for you when
you fly. I assume he pays for your flights. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche, okay,
So you I interrupted you when you were saying how
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you were functioning as a general manager, you help with
the new Mexico ranch. So did you your role with
him continue like that for many years? Or for how long? Maxwell?
So I continued in two thousand. Well, in ninety nine,
our relationship had foundered, Blanche. Why? Maxwell, Well, two reasons.
We were never sleeping together again. So we stopped having
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sexual relations in ninety nine. Not full sex. Sorry, just
to be clear. Didn't mean that we didn't still share
a bedroom sometimes or whatever. He had another girlfriend, Blanche,
He had what Maxwell other girlfriends. I definitively knew that
it was over after nine to eleven actually because we
were both in New York and I don't know were
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you in New York on nine eleven? I mean nine
to eleven. It was a scary time and if you
were in New York, you didn't know. I didn't know,
nobody knew what was going on. And he was in
the seventy first Street and I was in sixty fifth
Street at my house, and he wouldn't see me at all,
asked me his mom, who I'm very close to, who
was in the hospital at Lenox Hill, just asked me
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to look after her. And then I knew, as anyone
did at the time, if you're not going to be
there for someone in nine to eleven, you're never going
to be there. So for me, that was the line's end.
And he had another English girlfriend actually from two thousand. Blanche,
Are you though still being paid by him by at
this point Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, Okay, so go ahead. So
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at that point when you say you're I realized kind
of it was over. Maxwell, Well, I mean I'm talking
about I had there was I wanted to get married
and have children, and Epstein had encouraged me to believe
that would I don't know about the certainly by the
mid late nineties, I knew the marriage part was never
going to happen. I had believed that maybe in ninety six,
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ninety seven, ninety eight, maybe, but then I realized I
wasn't that. But I did think that we might have
a child, which is what I really wanted. And I
realized to that Blanche cuts her off. So, okay, so
what happens between two thousand and one then twenty nineteen
with your relationship with them? All right, we're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
(30:41):
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
All of the information that goes with this episode can
be found in the description box.
What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to begin taking
a look at the Glenn Maxwell transcripts that just dropped.
So Todd Blanche is going to be the one asking
the questions and obviously the skafuzza Glenn Maxwell will be
doing the answering. And this is day number one, July
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twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Todd Blanche, Good morning, miss Maxwell.
How are you? And when I say answer, that's Glenn
Maxwell answering, and if there's any deviation from that I'll
make sure to notate that as we work our way
through this answer. Good morning, mister Blanche. Question good okay,
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So before we started recording, we met for a few minutes.
I introduced myself and we've chatted and now I've told
you that we're going on the record, and before we
start asking questions, I know that you've been given by
your lawyer a copy of what's called a proper agreement
and I just want to spend two minutes making sure
that you want tonderstand what that governs and what our
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conversation today is going to be. The most important part
of this agreement is that this isn't a cooperation agreement,
meaning that by you meeting with us today, we're really
just meeting. We're not promising to do anything. Well besides
mover to a different facility. How mister Blanche, I'm not
promising to ask Judge Nathan or any of the judges
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that's been assigned to your case to do anything. We're
just talking, and so that's the most important part of
this agreement. However, almost as important is the fact that
what this agreement does for you is it gives you protection.
So what it means is that the government cannot use
what you say today against you, with some exceptions, which
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we'll talk about in a minute, but whatever you talk
about today, you have what's called immunity. So that means
that your words that you say today we cannot use
against you in a case in chief if we were
ever to bring one. Okay, Glenn Maxwell, thank you Blanche.
All right. There's exceptions to that, the most meaningful one
of which is that if you say something today that's
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not true, that's a lie, we can bring a prosecution
against you for what's called a false statement. So I'm
a federal officer, I have several officers here, the FBI
is here, and if you lie to someone that's like
me or like Special Agent Horn, it's a crime. So
you have to be truthful. The other exception to this
that doesn't necessarily apply directly to you, but if there
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ever was a retrial in your case, or if there
was ever a criminal case a future criminal case against you,
and you're a lawyer, or you said something different or
it took a position that's different than what you say today,
then we can cross examine you or a witness based
upon what you say today. So it's a little bit nuanced,
meaning I can't use what you say against you in
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our case in chief. However, if you were to testify,
or if you're a lawyer called a witness to testify
and they said something that is totally different than what
you say today, we could cross examine you or the
witness and say, hey, do you remember when we met
with miss Maxwell. When we met with miss Maxwell back
in July of twenty twenty five, she told us then
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and then say what she said. Okay, Maxwell, I understand Blanche, Okay.
Other than that, you I know you didn't have a
lot of time with this morning to meet with mister Marcus.
But did you have a chance to go over this
briefly with them? Maxwell? I did, Blanche, okay, all right,
so I've already signed it, as has special agent Horn. Maxwell. Okay,
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and mister Marcus signed it as well. So you got
a pen. Please sign it Maxwell right here, Blanche, right here,
it says client, Yes, and I will provide you a
copy of this to your lawyer. So you guys have it. Maxwell,
thank you, Blanche, Okay, thank you, so, miss Maxwell. About
a week and a half ago or two weeks ago,
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Spencer Horn, can you see the light blinking on there
on the sony? Yeah, there it is, Blanche. Okay. We're
just confirming that it works, and it does. Maxwell. I
guess about a week and a half or two weeks ago,
mister Marcus reached out to me and said that that
you wanted to speak with somebody from the government about
not only your case, but about everything that's been in
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the media and that's been publicized about mister Epstein in
your case. Maxwell. That's she gets cut off by Blanche,
did he Maxwell cuts her off? That's true. And I
did speak to him and I did ask him if
oh and tell him that I would be very keen
to talk to anyone, because no one from the government
at any time ever in since the inception of the case,
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so dating back to the early two thousands, has ever
spoken to me. And indeed, I believe ever reached out
to me at any time to even speak to me,
and that includes up to when I was indicted and prosecuted.
I believe that, or I understand I should say rather
that my attorneys at the time did tell the government
that I wanted to speak to them because I was
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very keen to meet with anyone so that I could
tell or have the mask me any question. I've never
had any problem to speak to anybody, and I offered
myself and I keep asking if they would meet with
me so I could talk to them, and for whatever
reason to that, she's cut off by Blanche Okay, Maxwell,
that was not happening. Blanche Okay. I have questions that
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I want to ask you, but I'm not. If there's
a path a question that I'm not asking that you
think should be asked, I invite you to volunteer. Same
thing goes for your lawyers. Oh yeah, let's let Maxwell
lead the party. It's already a shit show, folks, Just
to start a little bit, very briefly, can you talk
about when you first met mister Epstein. I know that
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goes back a while, and just very generally talk about
your relationship with mister Epstein from the time you met
him all the way up until until his death. I
met mister Epstein in nineteen ninety one, my I had
I had never heard of him or met him before,
and no one in my family had either. My father
never knew him. And I'll explain why that is the case.
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I met to that. Blanche cuts her off. Where did
you Where did you meet him? Maxwell? I had a
girlfriend who I was Yeah, I moved to America. Briefly,
I'd moved to America in ninety Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
well moved, that's a big word. I'd come to visit
America in nineteen ninety. I had been running my own
company up until that time, which was a company called
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Maxwell's Corporate Gifts, and I had also been working for
my father at the time. I had multiple jobs with him.
I was in nineteen ninety I was working with a
new company of his, a newspaper that was launching called
The European and I was in charge of launching a
magazine to go with the European and I was traveling
at the time from England to America because my father
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was looking too well. He'd also bought McMillan, the publishing house,
and he purchased the New York Daily News. And it's
truth that my father always wanted me to come back
full time and work for him. But that's a much
longer story I don't think we need to go into
at this time. So, but I was always working with him.
There was no escaping it, as it were, to work
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for him. So in nineteen ninety I had come over
to New York to help look at some of that.
He was having some advertising issues with the New York
Deli News, and in fact I met I may have
met Donald Trump at that time, because my father was
friendly with him and liked him very much. And I
think should be said that he also very much liked
Ivana because she was also from Czechoslovakia, where my dad
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was from. So I don't I don't remember if I
did meet him or not in nineteen ninety with my dad,
but I knew That's what I knew about about mister Trump.
Blanche and This was before you met to that. He's
interrupted by Maxwell. This was before I met mister Epstein. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,
all right, Maxwell. So I was already going backwards and
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forwards in America, and then in April of nineteen ninety one,
I came to New York. But I can't remember for
what reason, what business reason, but there was a business reason,
something to do with my dad at the time. And
a girlfriend of mine, who an American, told me I
had broken up with my long term I'd been engaged
getting my long term boyfriend and we'd broken up. And
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she said, I've got you, know, as your girlfriends do.
I've got a guy for you to meet. And I
was like, well, who is he? And she goes, it's
he's been dating my sister. You'll love him. He's looking
for a wife. I'm edging towards thirty. I don't need
to tell you, guys, that's a very important moment for
a girl to think about important things. And sure I'd
be happy to meet him. And so sometime in nineteen
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ninety one, now we are in nineteen ninety one, I
met him at his office on Madison Garden, and I
think the most memorable thing I can think about that
is he was wearing a tie, which he didn't often do.
It had a giant seem like a ketchup stain on it.
So I was like, wow, okay. And that was how
we met. Was you're a meeting at his office for
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you to meet him just personally, or you're there to
that he's cut off by Maxwell. I was just and
then Blanche cuts her off work related reasons. Maxwell. No
I knew nothing about him, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. He just
invited me to come and have tea, and I was like, tea,
that's English, Okay. What was unusual was in his office.
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So I went to his office and we met and
I found him very engaging. And that was that, Blanche.
So okay, that's how you met him. So we and
again I don't want to spend a lot of time,
you know, on this particular issue, but what happened with
your relationship over the years from the time you meet
him in ninety one up until the time he passed
away to this Marcus interjects, just give the highlights, Maxwell, Okay,
(09:47):
the highlights. So I was looking for real estate for
my dad to buy some and Epstein told me that
he was also looking to move from his apartment and
would I help him, And I said, sure, I'm looking already,
so if I could look for him. So that's how
I started. And then in nineteen ninety one my father
passed away and I returned to New York after that,
originally to come back and help with the family business,
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which was McMillan. And then the debacle of my father's
passing hit the family and we lost all of our businesses,
and my family thought it would be best if I
stayed in America because of the intensity of the press
and the drama surrounding my father's death in England, so
I stayed in Epstein instead. Well, you can keep helping me.
You can help me find a house and we can
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decorate the house. And it gave me something to do. Blanche,
were you in a romantic relationship with him at this
point or just friends? Maxwell? No, just friends, Blanche. And
while we're just with respect to your father, there has
been multiple questions about whether he worked for any intelligence agency.
Do you have any knowledge about that, Glenn Maxwell, I think, well,
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certainly my father had a background and intelligence during because
he was I believe he did in the Second World War.
He was an intelligent British intelligence office. I think that
my sort of belief is that once you've been an
intelligence officer, you're kind of always It doesn't mean that
you're formally employed. So I don't think my dad in
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any formal sense was you know, employed by the agency.
But when you are a very significant businessman and politician,
as my father was, you meet with people over time
and I guess trade, business or ideas. I think if
that would fall under that definition, that's how I would
give it. Now. He certainly I have no formal knowledge
(11:32):
of anything specifically that he did in that thing. But
if you're asking me if I thought that he did
help people, the answer would be yes, I did, Blanche,
did your father and mister Epstein have a business relationship
over the years. I know we're maybe jumping around a
little bit. Maxwell, they never met, So Blanche cuts her
off as far as you know, they never met Maxwell,
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know I Blanche cuts her off again? Or you know
they never met Maxwell. I know they never met, Blanche. Well,
how do you know they never met Maxwell? They just
categorically I know they never met. Well because after in
nineteen ninety one, before my father died, he asked me
if I'd met anyone interesting or whatever, you know, because
I was still trying not to be sucked back into
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the family business. And I told him that I had
met mister Epstein. And the reason why I shared that
I had met mister Epstein because I believed at the
time that Epstein worked for Bar of Stearns, and Bar
of Stearns was one of our banks. And I knew
that my father was friendly with both Jimmy kin and
Ace Greenberg. So my dad came was actually in New York.
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I think if I remember, I may. I don't think
I had the conversation on the phone, but I honestly
were talking thirty years ago, so I'm not sure. But
maybe I told him this verbatim because it happened. I
know that what my dad did. Whether I saw it
or whether I was told later that, I don't remember.
But he called both Jimmy Kine and Ace Greenberg to
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ask if what sort of guy he was even a
because a bunch of mumbling here and she's interrupted by
Blanche once again, so they never they never met Maxwell.
He didn't even know who he was, Blanche, but they
had certainly some of the people it sounds like or
certainly the Barristerns connection was something that you know they had. Maxwell. No, well,
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he never had a connection with Epstein. He had a
connection with the bank. I mean Epstein. I'd never heard
of him or knew of them before. And I certainly
if my dad had known him, right when I said
this is who he was, he didn't know who he was. Blanche, Yeah,
Maxwell's who he rang A's and he rang Jimmy. So
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to ask them if it was okay that I even
knew him. And I just want to explain briefly why
my father would even do such a thing. I had
some interesting things that have happened in my life, and
one of them was to be found on an IRA
kidnapp and murder list. And so after that happened, well
there were other related I'm not going to bore you
with all the horrible things in that vein, but if
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you want the details, of course I can. But after
that happened, my father wanted to put a lot of
protection on me, obviously, and I declined on the grounds
that would be a very life restricting event. You were
all in law enforcement, I know you understand this, and
so he told me that, you know, I would be
taking my life into my own hands and then whatever.
And so I think after that event and several others
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where I had stalkers and all the things that one has,
he was always quite protective of me, and so if
I met somebody, he would try and verify that they
weren't going to do anything hideous. And so in this case,
he thought it was weird that he would call Jimmy
en das it might you know, you may think it is,
but from my perspective, it was because he was concerned
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I was in America alone and he was an opportunity
to verify who this person was. And so I don't
know if I was in the room with him, I
don't recall, but I know that at some point my
father told me he's fine. See him, Todd Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell,
he's safe, Todd Blanche. Okay, all right, we're gonna wrap
up episode one right here, and in the next episode,
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we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
picking up where we left off with day one of
the Glen Maxwell transcripts Blanche, Well, okay, so we might
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come back to touch on that a little bit more
on the same point. But to that, Maxwell interrupts them. Yeah,
Blanche again, I went down a rabbit hole for a minute. Maxwell,
That's all right. I just wanted to know. She gets
cut off by Blanche. That's helpful, thank you. So, Okay,
so you're you're now in the nineties and you're friends
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with mister Epstein, your house decorating the house or the apartment.
What happens with your relationship again. I know we're talking
about a thirty five year time period or whatever, but
to the extent you kind of at a very high
level talk about it, Maxwell, listen, I think just full
disclosure is the best way to go at this point. Blanche. Yeah. Maxwell.
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So in ninety two I slept with them one time,
and I was like, whoa, that's it. We're going to
be dating because that's what I thought. And I kind
of thought of myself in that moment, like because you
I felt if you slept with someone that you were
dating them. Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell, that's the world I came from.
But what really was well, that's how I thought, And
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but we didn't sleep together again for I don't know,
really a significant period of time. And when I say
to that, she's cut off by Blanche again, like years
or Maxwell. I don't know if it was a year,
I don't it feels that long, but maybe nine months.
I mean a long time Todd, Blanche Okay, Maxwell and
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I just want to go back to I had found
a house for him to rent to New York because
he asked me, and I had been looking for one
for my father, and I found one which was a
former Iranian embassy I think it was. I think it
belonged to the Iranians or the Iraqis or someone. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
and I didn't know that he had any money. It was,
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like I want to say, it was twelve thousand a month,
which to me seemed like a fortune. And I said
to myself, I found this house, but I don't think
you can afford it. He was like, that's ridiculous. Of
course I can afford it. And he rented it. And
that house came with it was State department house because
it was I think was under sequestration or whatever it was.
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And I put it back together, but there were certain rules.
You couldn't paint because it had to go back, and
he gave it back to the country. Then, so he
had his house and I moved into a ten foot
by ten foot apartment because all of our stuff had
either been lost or frozen or whatever. So he became
in this moment, my lifeline really because I was everything
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was felt very similar to this moment, if that makes
sense anyway. So I had a key to his house,
I had no free access to his house, and in
the entire time that he lived there, which was I
believe until the beginning of nineteen ninety six, I never
slept a single night in that house, never ever, not one.
Just like I told you folks from the jump, Maxwell
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was never Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend. People telling you that have
been lying to you, Blanche, but you so you said
a minute ago that you had slept with them on
one occasion. And at that time remember thinking, you know
that this meant you were in a relationship, but then
it didn't. You really were not in that type of relationship. Maxwell. Well,
(18:46):
I thought to that she's cut off by Blanche. Did
that change over between ninety one and ninety two, or whatever.
And years forward. Maxwell, So I did travel with him
a lot, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, So I would go to
his houses in Palm Beach. He only had that house
actually in no, that's not true. We had the house
in Palm Beach, and he had a house in Ohio, Blanche,
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and where Maxwell Ohio? Blanche, okay? Maxwell. And he had
the house in Ohio because of his business relationship with
mister Wexner, and he had and I had to go
to decorate and put that house together. When we traveled together,
we stayed in the same bed. But not but I didn't, Blanche,
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go ahead, It's okay. Talk. So if you stayed so
when you would travel with him to his house in
pom Beach, Ohio, or even just traveling, if it was
just traveling with them, you would stay in the same bed.
So sleep in the same bed with him, Maxwell, Yes,
Blanche okay. Maxwell Epstein told me that he had a
heart condition, David Marcus A what Maxwell a heart condition?
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Marcus heart condition, Blanche A heart condition, okay, Maxwell, which
meant that he didn't have intercourse a lot, which suited
me fe because I actually do have a medical condition
which precludes me from having a lot of intercourse. She
just perjured herself. Jeffrey Epstein was having sex with girls
three times a day, Todd, Blanche, So what was your
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understanding of his heart condition and why was it preventing
him from having intercourse regularly? Maxwell? I don't know. I
mean he liked other forms of sexual activity. Blanche. Well,
let's come back. We're going to obviously spend some time,
a lot of time on the actual conduct he was
accused of. So will Maxwell cuts them off? Okay, what
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do you mean, accused of the things he was guilty of, right,
mister Blanche, You piece of garbage, Todd Blanche, Well, we'll
come back to that. So pick up where where you
were talking about you traveling around with him. He rented
the New York former Iranian house, Maxwell Iranian. There you go. Yeah, Blanche,
until around ninety six. At that time, you I believe
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you said that he was basically your life, like you
were with him pretty regularly. Maxwell. Well, I know, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
So I never was with them regularly, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
that is one of those misnomers, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
mean at the beginning I did see more of them,
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but I worked in his office, so I would go
to the office and I would see him, and I
would count in my head when I would see him.
I would count that I would that would be a
day that I would see him. But I didn't. I never, never,
ever stayed with him, I believe, certainly until ninety three
or ninety four. What I didn't know was that I
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think he was still with his actual girlfriend, who was
Eva Anderson, who became Eva Dubin. They had been together
my understanding, I think about ten years. I'm not sure,
but that's what I think, ten years. And I had
understood from my girlfriend initially that they weren't together, and
Epstein himself told me that they were not together, but
I don't think that was true. In fact, I know
(21:59):
it's not true. So they were still together up until
I think ninety four, when at some point in that
period of time even met Glenn Dubin and they got married.
I think in ninety four. I don't remember when they
got married, but her, she was his best friend and
his everything. He told me that he always wished that
he had married her and had a child with her,
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and I know that day she was family for him,
for his whole life, and I think even I'm not
sure if this is true, but you guys will know
if this is true or not when he came from
back from Paris and you arrested him. I don't know
if Eva was on the plane. Now I think that
either I read it in the discovery that I received,
or I saw it somewhere. But even if she wasn't
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on the plane, there must have been some email communication
where she was in Paris at the same time and
going to fly back one or the other, I don't
know which one it is the correct version of that.
But so they were still obviously very close and remained
throughout the time. In fact, he was still saw a lot.
And so I also know now which I didn't know
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at the time, was that he saw lots of other women.
And I know that now because I can see I
can see it from the fly logs. I know it
now because I can see it from the emails Blanche.
So you know from the case, Maxwell, yes, not from
Blanche cuts her off, that what happened. Maxwell, Yes, I
didn't know. Again, Blanche cuts her off. You didn't know
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that along the way, Maxwell, I was contemporaneously. I absolutely
did not know at the time, Blanche, So okay, So
just and we're going to spend time on everything you're
talking about, but just kind of close out the big
picture of your relationship. So we're now in the late nineties,
continue on with again saying or staying high level to
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the extent you can about your relationship with them. Maxwell.
So after my responsibility is increased with each acquisition that
he had in each new project. So I believe the
first thing that he purchased after was the ranch in
New Mexico. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, And so what he had
tasked me with up until that, and I think that
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was purchased in ninety four, if I'm right. So he
had tasked me. One of the things that we did
was visit in my mind, I say every state, but
it wouldn't have been every state, but many states to
go look at real estate property. So I know we
went to Montana, I know we went to Utah. It
was it was to go look at real estate. It
was fun, to be honest. And then I arranged for
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us to go to New Mexico and he just loved
New Mexico. And then I don't remember how the ranch happened.
I don't remember that now it's lost. And then he
ended up buying the ranch, and I think, if I'm right,
it came from well, the kings, who may have been
the governor I you know, bought the ranch and then
I had to deal with that. Dealing with that was
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the extent of it. The way that I thought of myself,
or the way that I think is the best way
to explain how my I view my role was as
a general manager, because each property to me was like
a hotel. So the ranch was very challenging because not
only that, but it had BLM land, so it helped
maintain your BLM. You have to have cattle, and I
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love animals, so the first thing horses, and so I
wanted it. If you're going to have a ranch, I
like authenticity, and so I don't think you should have
a ranch if you're not going to have the things
that make it special. Blanche, so were you? Were you
paid by him along the way? Maxwell, So I to
that Blanche cuts her off. During this time, Maxwell, I
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became salaried at some point, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, My memory
is I got paid twenty five thousand dollars a year
to begin with. That's my memory, I may be wrong,
And then with each as it became obvious, because I
kept thinking I was going to go home home being England,
and but to that Blanche cuts her off. Did you
and financially you were not relying on them the twenty
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five thousand or whatever amount you were paid. Were you
relying on that money to live and did generosity to live?
Or did you have your own money? Maxwell? So there's
he cuts her off again and again. I want to
just make sure we're talking about that, like keeping it
between like the late nineties, you know, maybe I guess
into a little of the two thousands, glam Maxwell. I
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just want to hit something on the head right now.
There's a tremendous amount of reporting that said that I had.
She gets cut off by Leah Saphine a trust fund? Maxwell,
thank you? A trust fund. I have never had a
trust fund at any time. Marcus, So, how did you live?
Did you live with? I mean, twenty five thousand dollars
is not enough to live on? Maxwell? No, So I
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had during this period of time, the Secret the Serious
Fraud Squad had come to see me in relation to
my father's passing and to establish whether I had been
involved in any way with his business or any shenanigans.
I think I told this story many times, so I
don't know if it's now somewhat at all, but I'll
tell you what it what my memory is. So I
(27:03):
received a letter from them that said about my business,
and my memory may be apocry full. There was a
ps that said, unintelligible, I had nothing. There was no
I was never involved in any of his businesses whatsoever.
So I was free, Blanche. And were you so your
You know, obviously your father and your family had a
lot of businesses. Is it because of the money. Whatever
(27:27):
money or whatever equity was in the business just stayed
with your other family members. Maxwell, No, there was no money.
So my father was never attached to money. He was
born a peasant or real one dirt floor, no shoes
or clothes. Some clothes, but not you know, Sorry, I
don't mean to say nothing. And he never he was
never into that. I mean there were things that he had,
(27:49):
his extravagances. He loved his boat and his plane, so
obviously you need money for that, but there was no
nothing else. There was not a single penny that came
to any of us at any time ever, Blanche. Okay,
So when you're talking about your life with Epstein in
the nineties, you're not very different financially. You're a very
different financially position than he is. Oh, here we go.
(28:12):
This is all about making her a victim. That's what
this is. You should be disgusted by this bullshit. Oh
poor Maxwell was only making twenty five g's a year, Blanche,
meaning he'd give you money. He's paying for you when
you fly. I assume he pays for your flights. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche, okay,
So you I interrupted you when you were saying how
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you were functioning as a general manager, you help with
the new Mexico ranch. So did you your role with
him continue like that for many years? Or for how long? Maxwell?
So I continued in two thousand. Well, in ninety nine,
our relationship had foundered, Blanche. Why? Maxwell, Well, two reasons.
We were never sleeping together again. So we stopped having
(28:54):
sexual relations in ninety nine. Not full sex. Sorry, just
to be clear. Didn't mean that we didn't still share
a bedroom sometimes or whatever. He had another girlfriend, Blanche,
He had what Maxwell other girlfriends. I definitively knew that
it was over after nine to eleven actually because we
were both in New York and I don't know were
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you in New York on nine eleven? I mean nine
to eleven. It was a scary time and if you
were in New York, you didn't know. I didn't know,
nobody knew what was going on. And he was in
the seventy first Street and I was in sixty fifth
Street at my house, and he wouldn't see me at all,
asked me his mom, who I'm very close to, who
was in the hospital at Lenox Hill, just asked me
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to look after her. And then I knew, as anyone
did at the time, if you're not going to be
there for someone in nine to eleven, you're never going
to be there. So for me, that was the line's end.
And he had another English girlfriend actually from two thousand. Blanche,
Are you though still being paid by him by at
this point Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, Okay, so go ahead. So
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at that point when you say you're I realized kind
of it was over. Maxwell, Well, I mean I'm talking
about I had there was I wanted to get married
and have children, and Epstein had encouraged me to believe
that would I don't know about the certainly by the
mid late nineties, I knew the marriage part was never
going to happen. I had believed that maybe in ninety six,
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ninety seven, ninety eight, maybe, but then I realized I
wasn't that. But I did think that we might have
a child, which is what I really wanted. And I
realized to that Blanche cuts her off. So, okay, so
what happens between two thousand and one then twenty nineteen
with your relationship with them? All right, we're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
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