December 28, 2025 • 26 mins
On August 22, 2025, the U.S. Department of Justice released redacted transcripts and audio recordings of a two-day interview it conducted in July with Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring. During the interview, Maxwell denied ever seeing any inappropriate behavior by former President Donald Trump, describing him as a “gentleman in all respects,” and insisted she “never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.” She also rejected the existence of a so-called “client list,” countering years of speculation, and claimed to have no knowledge of blackmail or illicit recordings tied to Epstein.
In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
source:
Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where he
left off with the Glenn Maxwell transcript from July twenty
fourth Blanche, So, okay, so what happened between two thousand
and one and then twenty nineteen with your relationship with them?
Give her take two thousand and one, Maxwell, So we
(00:21):
stopped having physicality. I mean, that doesn't mean we weren't friends.
I certainly did stay sometimes in his room. I mean
friends with benefits, if you will, just not sex. Sorry.
And I started dating Blanche, okay, Maxwell, and I met
someone that I fell very much in love with in
two thousand and three. His name was Ted Waite. Ted
(00:42):
Waite you may know as the founder of Gateway the computers.
And we had an amazing relationship that ended went on
until twenty ten, I think. And I was with Ted
from that time, Blanche. Did you meet him through mister Epstein? Maxwell? No, well, indirectly,
I suppose you could say, so. Oh, no, they'd never met.
I was at a dinner party where I met Ted,
(01:04):
but it wasn't I was with President Clinton. President Clinton
was my friend, not Epstein's friend, and Epstein was flown
him and there was a dinner, and Ted came to
the dinner. So I guess indirectly through mister Epstein because
it was with his plane. But I'd have been there
anyway without him. I had had not the And as
(01:26):
Glenn Maxwell is stammering, her lawyer, David Marcus steps in,
was Epstein on the plane when you guys flew Maxwell
on the trip? Yes, well, yes they that, yes, Blanche.
So when you say they the dinner, what was that
Maxwell in Hong Kong, Blanche? Okay? And so you had
(01:46):
flown over with So who was on the plane for
that trip, I don't mean everybody when you said so,
mister Epstein was on the plane Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, you
were on the plane Maxwell, Yes, Blanche. Who else that
you can remember? I'm not you know, you only remember
what you remember. Marcus. Was President Clinton on the plane? Maxwell, Clinton,
(02:06):
he would have he would have had his guy Doug Vance,
maybe Jason Cooper, maybe the two Todd Blanche and and
so why so how did you meet So why did
you say that's when you met him, and that you
met him through Clinton? Maxwell? Well, it was I don't
think Ted would have been there had it not been?
(02:29):
It was a President Clinton dinner and Ted came to
be with President Clinton. Blanche, I see, Maxwell, not to
be with mister Epstein. Does that make sense, Blanche? Yes? Maxwell,
That's why I say that, Blanche. Okay, so you're you're
in a time when you're dating that you're with him
into two thousand and nine. Are you still working for
(02:49):
mister Epstein during that time? Maxwell? So it'd be true
to say that Jeffrey tried very hard. He tried very
hard to keep me working for him, because because this
is a complex operator, I'm not talking about anything on tooward,
just this year's size of the projects. I'm talking the
construction projects, the houses, the staff. It's really a significant job.
(03:12):
And I ran all the properties, the staff in the properties,
the management of the properties, and all the construction. And
we're talking tens of millions of dollars for the island alone.
I can't remember what the budget was for the construction
on any given year. It's gone. But these are very
significant projects. And so that's what I did. I managed
(03:33):
the budgets. Well, not I didn't manage the budgets. I
oversaw the budgets. So I would just make sure that
if you said you bought an air conditioning part, I
saw an air conditioning part, and I could call the
island manager. Did you receive the carrier? Whatever? You know? Blanche?
When did mister Epstein purchase the island, Glenn Maxwell, I
want to say ninety six or ninety seven, something like that, Blanche, okay.
(03:57):
So we're going to come back and spend more time
on the money with respect to mister Epstein and his wealth,
but just so we can finish this. So in two
thousand and nine, you end your relationship with Ted Maxwell.
Two thousand and nine, twenty ten, Blanche okay. Maxwell, I
can't remember if it was twenty ten, Blanche okay. So
(04:18):
in that time period, what happens next as far as
your relationship with mister Epstein Maxwell, I don't have one
with him, Blanche. You don't have one with him, like
you don't see him or it's just a different relationship. Maxwell.
I did see I maybe saw him once or twice,
maybe even three times. I certainly went to his house
(04:38):
once for sure, maybe twice, but I was not seeing him.
The only time I was in touch with him was
when things happened, like things I mean in the press
that affected me or the CVR case that was filed
and there was like rubbish that went out because I
needed information because I didn't know. I didn't know anything
about what was happening, and I needed his help a
(05:00):
to understand. Well, that doesn't sound right. Let me rephrase that.
I don't mean his help. I meant to have answers
so that I had an ability to defend myself. That's
what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about any She's
cut off by Blanche. So when does that relationship change?
So you're working you talked about when your physical relationship stopped,
(05:20):
and then you're still working for him or without managing
his properties and being and serving as like a general manager.
You then start your own relationship with another individual with
Ted from two thousand and three to two thousand and
nine or ten, At what point in that whole period
is there like more of a break where you're no
longer acting as a general manager. Maxwell, I wanted to
(05:43):
have a full break when I started dating Ted, and
he was clever. I suppose it would be true to
say that I sort of viewed mister Epstein at that
point as sort of family. If you will like someone
I could rely on, and I should have had more
confidence in myself. I can see that now time, given
everything that had happened in my life, I thought it
(06:03):
would and I saw how he was with other people
like Eva, who seemed to be very comfortable with him,
and I thought this would be. He always said I
was like family, so he worked hard to make maintain
a relationship with me. He was generous with me. He
let me use the plane, for instance, which was very generous.
He would check in with mom, He did things that
(06:25):
were meaningful to me in that time. And then it
may still not have worked. But his mother, Paula, had
been in a very serious car crash. She had become
sort of like a surrogate mother for me, sort of
because my mom wasn't there, so I could look out
for her the way I would have looked out for
my own mom. So I became very close to his mother.
(06:47):
And she had been in a car crash, and in
two thousand and four, I believe it may have been
two thousand and five, I don't recall exactly. She took
Her health took a serious decline, and Epstein called me
and asked me if I could look after her. By
looking after her, that meant organizing her doctors, making sure
she had new clothes, making sure her house was clean.
(07:07):
Marcus Maxwell's lawyer interjects, where was she Maxwell? She lived
in a retirement establishment outside of Palm Beach, outside West
Palm Beach. I was going to say something like the
Golden Girls, but it's not called that. I just don't
remember what it's called. But it was an old age.
It was a retirement home, if you will, Marcus Todd,
(07:29):
I don't know. We've been going for maybe about an hour. Now,
do you think this is a good time to Blanche? Yeah? Yeah,
So we'll take him in a break. Nice to see
that David Marcus is running the show. What a clown
this David Marcus dude is anyway, Spencer Horn, all right,
so we're going to take a break. The time is
ten fifty six. Break at ten fifty six until eleven
(07:51):
oh seven am. Spencer Horn, we're continuing the profer interview
of miss Maxwell. The time is eleven oh seven am
on Thursday, July twenty fourth. Blanche, all right, so just
picking up where we stopped, you have basically a break,
well not a break, that's the wrong word, but your
relationship with miss Maxwell professional and other changes in two
(08:14):
thousand and three, two thousand and four. Maxwell, Yeah, I
mean over the time that I will stay with Ted.
The more time I spent with Ted, the more distance
I have with him. And when the arrest, well, let's
go back when whatever happened in two thousand and five,
and he became arrested in two thousand and six, Blanche,
So when he was charged and arrested in what we'll
(08:36):
call the Florida investigations, that's what you're talking about. Maxwell,
I am Blanche. Okay, go ahead, Maxwell, So I was
not well, Blanche cuts her off. Well, where you're part
of that investigation? Maxwell? Absolutely not, Blanche. Did law enforcement
ever talk to you as part of that, Maxwell no blanche?
(08:58):
Did you, like, the FEDS never talk to you, Maxwell
no Blanche, The FBI never talked to you, Maxwell no Blanche.
Do you know to that he's cut off by Maxwell.
I never even received a phone call, Blanche? Did you
didn't you get subpoenas? Maxwell no Blanche? Did the state
law enforcement ever reach out to you? Maxwell no blanche?
(09:21):
As far as you know, did the government, either state
or federal subpoena your bank records or subpoena anything from
your financial life during that time. During that time, Maxwell, no,
not as far as I'm aware now. If they did,
I didn't know about it, and I have no idea
about that, to be honest, But I'm not aware of it,
and I would say no. But maybe you guys do
(09:43):
things that I don't know, Blanche. So how did you
learn of that case when mister Epstein was arrested or
did you know that something was happening before then? Maxwell?
The first thing I knew was when he told me
he was deciding to redecorate his house in Palm Beach,
surprise me. It was like a rolling situation, Blanche. But
(10:04):
by that time, are you doing like he tells you
because he wants your help or your relationship change by
this time where you were no longer kind of acting
as his general manager? Maxwell? No, I was still around, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
I wasn't gone. I was with Ted, I was traveling.
I wasn't daily. If you would ask me where he
(10:25):
was at any given time, I'm not sure I would
have known then. I mean, it was I felt like
I suppose the relationship moved into sort of like the
long term friendly family, you know, like she's cut off
again by Blanche, like I felt he had with Eva,
if I'm honest, Blanche, Yeah, Okay. So he says to
(10:45):
you he's going to redecorate the Palm Beach house. Maxwell.
He asked me specifically which decorator he thinks he should use,
because I had a lot of contacts with decorators, and
he was not very good with people. He was useless
at maintaining relationships with people who work for him. I'm
not so anyways, I recommended I think I recommended. I
(11:06):
can't be one hundred percent sure because it's been a
long time, but I think I recommended Mark Zeff at
the time, Blanche who Glenn, Maxwell, Mark Zeff Blanche Okay, Maxwell,
I believe. I don't know why. I don't remember. That's
all lost to time. But anyway, at some point I
think his mother had died. Now I can't remember the
(11:27):
timing of all that either, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. But I
ended up in Palm Beach and he asked me to
come and look at the watches or whatever he was doing,
because they had laid it all over the house and
various things and I think he'd ask for my opinion.
That's my memory of this. It may also be that
Ted and I were going to Palm Beach because Ted
(11:49):
had a golf match or something. There was a reason
I was in pom Beach. It wasn't solely. Maybe that's
not true either. I don't know. So to that she's
cut off by Blanche. Okay. Then Maxwell, you know sometimes
I went to Palm Beach because Ted was there. I
don't know if that's part of that time, Blanche, Okay,
go ahead, Maxwell, or Ted went and left me. I
(12:11):
don't know. Something anyway, I was there. No, that's not
how that went either. No, anyway, at some point in
that time, I was all this swatches. At some point
in two thousand and five, I think that was. And
then I believe or I don't remember. I think I
got a phone call. Actually I wasn't in Palm Beach.
I think I got a phone call that there was
(12:31):
police at his house or something. Blanche, And would you
have gotten a phone call from him or do you
think that you were just told by somebody that knew
that it had happened, or don't you remember? Maxwell? Definitely
not him, Blanche Okay, Maxwell, I think it would have
been the houseman, Blanche. So when that happens, whenever it was,
(12:52):
that's kind of the first time you know about mister
Epstein being investigated for Maxwell cuts him off and even know,
I didn't even understand, and Blanche okay, Maxwell, I didn't
have a context for that. Blanche okay. Maxwell, it was
like I didn't know, I didn't know, Blanche okay. So
after Maxwell cuts them off again, I'm not sure even
(13:14):
what I thought. I was like, that's weird, Blanche. So
after after you find out about it, what happens with
your relationship with them? All Right, We're gonna wrap up
right here, and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
(13:34):
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
picking up where we left off with the Gleam Maxwell
transcripts from July twenty fourth. So, after you find out
about it, what happens with your relationship with them? Maxwell?
I asked them, I asked them what was going on?
Blanche Okay? Maxwell? And he said, not to worry, nothing,
(14:00):
nothing taken care, don't worry about it. Indiscernible, and then
it all went quiet. He didn't say, he didn't share.
I wasn't a part of it at all. I was
off with Ted and I really just to that she's
cut off by Blanche. Did he tell you, well, why
don't we come back to more specifics around that time
period in a few minutes? Maxwell, Okay, Blanche, I just
(14:23):
want to finish this opening part so that case goes on.
Ultimately it ends. What was your relationship like with him
during that case? When he goes, you know, when he
was sentenced Maxwell, he told me he said, listen, I'm
going to jail. I was like, okay, and he goes,
I would like you to stay on board to manage
(14:45):
the properties, the animals, this and that, and just stay
put and I'll continue to pay you in case there
is an emergency. I don't trust anyone. And I was like, okay, Blanche. Well,
when you said continue to pay Maxwell, he had never
stopped paying me, Blanche. He never stopped paying you. So
even when your relationship changes, you are getting Does the
(15:06):
amount increase from the twenty five thousand or so a
year from the beginning, like, how much are you getting
paid yearly? Maxwell? I think it ended at the time, Well,
we had different payment structures and I'm happy to explain
how that was, but I think the salary wise, if
I'm right, it ended at around a quarter of a
million a year, Blanche. How much quarter of a million?
(15:26):
Two hundred and fifty thousand? And when did that stop? Maxwell?
Two thousand and eight or nine? Blanche? So Maxwell cuts
him off, Oh nine, when did he come out of jail?
Whenever he came out of jail, Blanche? Okay. So, And
over the years it increased from what you said was
you thought about twenty five thousand to two hundred and
(15:48):
fifty thousand. That's between like ninety or early nineties until
two thousand and nine or ten whenever that stopped? Is
that right? Maxwell? Yes? Yes, Blanche? And how are you
paid Maxwell? W two? Blanche W two? From what company? Maxwell?
He like, he just moved me around over to this
(16:09):
company that I didn't care, Blanche, okay, Maxwell, And I
didn't care, and I didn't think that. I didn't understand
any rhyme or reason. It doesn't I just you know whatever, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
So maybe she gets cut off by Blanche. So when
he's going to go to jail, he says, can you
stay around and manage everything? Or was it here's some money,
(16:32):
don't say anything. That's probably what it was, right, but
sure Glenn Maxwell is now the arbiter of truth for
the Trump administration. Glenn Maxwell, Yeah, Todd, Blanche and do
you do that? Maxwell? I do Blanche okay, and then
we'll come back to that, Maxwell, Well, not manage everything? No,
(16:52):
I mean there are other people at this point. My
specific role then was very very diminished. Blanche okay. I
reviewed the bill structure that came from the constructions that
were still made the island. Blanche okay, Maxwell, and wherever
else I was going Paris at that point, because I
speak French, I'm fluent in French, and also my relationship
(17:14):
with the French decorator was critical to him. And then
the French component part of that aspect that was really vital.
And so you would have to find someone who was
actually and the Spanish trilingual, and would have had to
find someone who was trilingual and that he trusted. Blanche.
Did you to that He's cut off again by Maxwell
(17:35):
to manage not steal from him, Blanche? Did you so
when he gets out of jail between that time in
twenty nine and ten and twenty nineteen, what's your relationship
like with mister Epstein? Maxwell? Almost non existent? Blanche? Why? Maxwell?
I had just moved on and I didn't want to
have anything. I didn't want the drama. I didn't want
(17:56):
to be associated with Blanche. So do you recall when
you say almost non existent? Does that mean Glenn Maxwell?
It doesn't mean it. He's cut she's cut off again
by Blanche. Was it some phone calls, some visits? Maxwell? Definitely?
Blanche some trips or what does it mean? Maxwell? I
don't think there were ever any trips. I don't think so, Blanche.
(18:19):
Where were you living during this time period? Or was
it she's he's cut off again by Maxwell? Which time
period Blanche? Between two thousand and nine and twenty ten
and twenty nineteen? Maxwell, I was back in New York, Blanche, Okay,
so you had no so your you had the phone
calls with them on occasion, Maxwell? Yes, well, I certainly did.
(18:41):
When it was whenever was any legal drama or anything
like that serious press attention, I always called to try
and find out what was going on, Blanche okay? And
then Maxwell cuts him off again. And I did email
him at the time for those types of details. I
was like, what do I do? What I mean? I
was like, Blanche. And then when he's charged in New
(19:03):
York federally Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, how did you learn about that? Maxwell?
In the press? Blanche? And you, as far as you know,
been contacted by law enforcement before his arrest. Maxwell No,
I wasn't in an indictment, Blanche. No, I know that.
But even as a witness or asking you if you
would have had documents or materials, Maxwell, I had never
(19:27):
up until when my lawyers said that, I don't even know.
I had no knowledge of them being interested in me. Honestly,
I don't want to say until after he died. Now
I know that my lawyers were in touch with the
SDNY at some point after his arrest. I'm pretty sure
that had to have happened, right, Blanche okay, But my
understanding is that they had not shown any interest. I
(19:50):
know my lawyers went to see them once. I believe
Blanche went to see meaning mister Epstein, Glam Maxwell know them.
The Southern District of New York Blanche O the SDNY okay, Maxwell, sorry,
and that they had been in regular in touch with
them and Blanche. But now you're talking about after mister
Epstein died, or are you talking about before he died? Maxwell?
(20:13):
I think she gets cut off again by Blanche. If
you can remember, Maxwell easily verifiable. My memory is that
we were in touch with him when he was arrested. Blanche,
uh huh. Maxwell, I don't know if anything happened until
after his death. Then after that, Blanche okay, Maxwell, I
don't think they saw them met with them southern district
(20:33):
of New York I'm talking about now until after he died.
I know that they were in regular telephone contact with him,
and that my lawyers believed that they had been told
that they had no interest in me. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
and were absolutely stunned when I was arrested. But maybe
stunned is too big a word, but surprised, I certainly was,
(20:54):
Blanche Okay. So Okay. That was the long description of
what was a very long life and what was and
that was very helpful. So I want to go back
and talk some specifically now about particular areas and but
a very helpful kind of foundation for us. The first
thing that I want to talk to you about. And
we talked earlier about mister Epstein's financial success. You know,
(21:17):
how do you know when you first met him, at
some point you say, I got this place for you
to rent. You can't afford it, and he laughs at
you and says, yes I can. What did you learn
about his wealth and how he was how he was
accumulated his money, Maxwell, I can tell you what he
told me, Blanche. Yes, Maxwell, I know that he was
hired from working at a private school whose name eludes
(21:38):
me at this point, Lea Safion Dalton, Glenn Maxwell Dalton.
He was working at Dalton. He was a math teacher,
and he met I think it was Ace. I'm not
sure he met someone from Bear who hired him because
he was very good at math. And I believe that
when he worked at creating a trading of Oh my gosh, Blanche,
just describe it. It's okay, go ahead, Maxwell, he came
(22:02):
up with some new type of trading system, not a
system so much, but a trading vehicle. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
I'm just scrape. I'm just escaping right now, Blanche. And
this is while he was working at Barri Stearns. Maxwell
at Bari Stearns. Yes, Blanche okay, Maxwell, and well to
that she's cut off by Blanche. Well, and this is
(22:24):
before you met him, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, so this is
what he told you Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, what you learned? Maxwell? Yes,
this is what he told me, Blanche okay, Maxwell himself, Blanche.
So then eventually he starts a financial firm. Do you
know anything about that to be true or no? Jay
Epstein in company? You ever heard of that? I think
(22:47):
it's yeah, so yes, so hang on a minute. This
I did not know, but this is I have subsequently learned,
Blanche okay. Maxwell. Is that some problem or some issue
at Baris Stearns, And there was some I don't know, disagreement.
He wasn't fired because obviously he was still very friendly
with Ace and Jimmy at least by the time I
met him, but they were working with him, and he
(23:09):
ran he had clients money at Baris Stearns. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
and his money is client's money. Well, I'll come to that.
But he started He told me himself that he started
a business where he looked for stolen money. So if
somebody let's see, I'm trying to think of some intelligent
way to say it, but I can't think of anything
I've been with. Not great, I'll give it to you.
(23:30):
So let's say you're El Chopo. Oh god, I don't
know where this comes from. But anyway, we've got El
Chopo and al Choppo's laundering money. And still he's working
with the Cinealoa cartel, and he steals money from the
Cinealoa cartel and he moves it to wherever. So he's
gotten stolen money from the Cineloa cartel, goes to it.
This didn't happen. I'm just Blanche, Yeah, yeah, I understand
(23:51):
Maxwell coming up with something in my head. And the
Cineloa cartel says to Epstein, can you track down my
billion dollars that the cartel the other cartels for me
and Epstein will go and find that billion dollars and
will take a portion of the money that was stolen
as a fee and give back the remainder. That would
be a percentage basis Blanche. No, but like what you
(24:13):
just described, which I appreciate what you said is hypothetical.
That was completely hypothetical, But that would involve like so
two kinds of drug cartels stealing from each other. Practically speaking,
he was more of a businessman, correct, Maxwell. So here's
how I think that started. It started. He had a girlfriend.
(24:33):
It was always you, always to the girls. I guess
there was a girl whose name will come back to me,
maybe not whilst we're here, but I don't know. Maybe
there's a woman Blanche. Okay, there's always a woman. And
she was the daughter of a billionaire, for instance. And
the billionaire whoever his whatever his name was, had some
money stolen, and for some reason, this woman introduced Jeffrey,
(24:56):
and Jeffrey I think that's how the business started. That's
what I remember, Blanche. And is that something he told
you about or something that happened while you knew him?
Maxwell knows something he told me about before I met him, Blanche.
And so when you met him and once you were
a part of his life in the early to mid nineties,
what's he doing to make money that you see? Does
(25:18):
he have clients? Does he have rich clients? Does he
have famous clients? And how what if he provides the clients?
What service is he providing them? Maxwell? He does well,
obviously there's the one very famous client that everybody talks about,
which is Les Wexner. That was a very important client
to him, and I think it's probably helpful to describe
(25:39):
what I imagine would I know to be true about
what he managed for less and there are some bits
that I'll be improvising. Blanche, yep, Maxwell, I cuts off
by Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, I just want to make you
understand I was not part of Epstein's business world, except
so what I'm talking about is what I observed or
(26:00):
what I overheard or what I saw within the business.
But I wasn't responsible for any of the client's money
or anything like that, so it's separate. Okay, Yeah, I understand,
says Blanche Glenn Maxwell. Okay, all right, we're gonna cut
off right here, and in the next episode we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All of the information
that goes with this episode can be found in the
(26:21):
description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where he
left off with the Glenn Maxwell transcript from July twenty
fourth Blanche, So, okay, so what happened between two thousand
and one and then twenty nineteen with your relationship with them?
Give her take two thousand and one, Maxwell, So we
(00:21):
stopped having physicality. I mean, that doesn't mean we weren't friends.
I certainly did stay sometimes in his room. I mean
friends with benefits, if you will, just not sex. Sorry.
And I started dating Blanche, okay, Maxwell, and I met
someone that I fell very much in love with in
two thousand and three. His name was Ted Waite. Ted
(00:42):
Waite you may know as the founder of Gateway the computers.
And we had an amazing relationship that ended went on
until twenty ten, I think. And I was with Ted
from that time, Blanche. Did you meet him through mister Epstein? Maxwell? No, well, indirectly,
I suppose you could say, so. Oh, no, they'd never met.
I was at a dinner party where I met Ted,
(01:04):
but it wasn't I was with President Clinton. President Clinton
was my friend, not Epstein's friend, and Epstein was flown
him and there was a dinner, and Ted came to
the dinner. So I guess indirectly through mister Epstein because
it was with his plane. But I'd have been there
anyway without him. I had had not the And as
(01:26):
Glenn Maxwell is stammering, her lawyer, David Marcus steps in,
was Epstein on the plane when you guys flew Maxwell
on the trip? Yes, well, yes they that, yes, Blanche.
So when you say they the dinner, what was that
Maxwell in Hong Kong, Blanche? Okay? And so you had
(01:46):
flown over with So who was on the plane for
that trip, I don't mean everybody when you said so,
mister Epstein was on the plane Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, you
were on the plane Maxwell, Yes, Blanche. Who else that
you can remember? I'm not you know, you only remember
what you remember. Marcus. Was President Clinton on the plane? Maxwell, Clinton,
(02:06):
he would have he would have had his guy Doug Vance,
maybe Jason Cooper, maybe the two Todd Blanche and and
so why so how did you meet So why did
you say that's when you met him, and that you
met him through Clinton? Maxwell? Well, it was I don't
think Ted would have been there had it not been?
(02:29):
It was a President Clinton dinner and Ted came to
be with President Clinton. Blanche, I see, Maxwell, not to
be with mister Epstein. Does that make sense, Blanche? Yes? Maxwell,
That's why I say that, Blanche. Okay, so you're you're
in a time when you're dating that you're with him
into two thousand and nine. Are you still working for
(02:49):
mister Epstein during that time? Maxwell? So it'd be true
to say that Jeffrey tried very hard. He tried very
hard to keep me working for him, because because this
is a complex operator, I'm not talking about anything on tooward,
just this year's size of the projects. I'm talking the
construction projects, the houses, the staff. It's really a significant job.
(03:12):
And I ran all the properties, the staff in the properties,
the management of the properties, and all the construction. And
we're talking tens of millions of dollars for the island alone.
I can't remember what the budget was for the construction
on any given year. It's gone. But these are very
significant projects. And so that's what I did. I managed
(03:33):
the budgets. Well, not I didn't manage the budgets. I
oversaw the budgets. So I would just make sure that
if you said you bought an air conditioning part, I
saw an air conditioning part, and I could call the
island manager. Did you receive the carrier? Whatever? You know? Blanche?
When did mister Epstein purchase the island, Glenn Maxwell, I
want to say ninety six or ninety seven, something like that, Blanche, okay.
(03:57):
So we're going to come back and spend more time
on the money with respect to mister Epstein and his wealth,
but just so we can finish this. So in two
thousand and nine, you end your relationship with Ted Maxwell.
Two thousand and nine, twenty ten, Blanche okay. Maxwell, I
can't remember if it was twenty ten, Blanche okay. So
(04:18):
in that time period, what happens next as far as
your relationship with mister Epstein Maxwell, I don't have one
with him, Blanche. You don't have one with him, like
you don't see him or it's just a different relationship. Maxwell.
I did see I maybe saw him once or twice,
maybe even three times. I certainly went to his house
(04:38):
once for sure, maybe twice, but I was not seeing him.
The only time I was in touch with him was
when things happened, like things I mean in the press
that affected me or the CVR case that was filed
and there was like rubbish that went out because I
needed information because I didn't know. I didn't know anything
about what was happening, and I needed his help a
(05:00):
to understand. Well, that doesn't sound right. Let me rephrase that.
I don't mean his help. I meant to have answers
so that I had an ability to defend myself. That's
what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about any She's
cut off by Blanche. So when does that relationship change?
So you're working you talked about when your physical relationship stopped,
(05:20):
and then you're still working for him or without managing
his properties and being and serving as like a general manager.
You then start your own relationship with another individual with
Ted from two thousand and three to two thousand and
nine or ten, At what point in that whole period
is there like more of a break where you're no
longer acting as a general manager. Maxwell, I wanted to
(05:43):
have a full break when I started dating Ted, and
he was clever. I suppose it would be true to
say that I sort of viewed mister Epstein at that
point as sort of family. If you will like someone
I could rely on, and I should have had more
confidence in myself. I can see that now time, given
everything that had happened in my life, I thought it
(06:03):
would and I saw how he was with other people
like Eva, who seemed to be very comfortable with him,
and I thought this would be. He always said I
was like family, so he worked hard to make maintain
a relationship with me. He was generous with me. He
let me use the plane, for instance, which was very generous.
He would check in with mom, He did things that
(06:25):
were meaningful to me in that time. And then it
may still not have worked. But his mother, Paula, had
been in a very serious car crash. She had become
sort of like a surrogate mother for me, sort of
because my mom wasn't there, so I could look out
for her the way I would have looked out for
my own mom. So I became very close to his mother.
(06:47):
And she had been in a car crash, and in
two thousand and four, I believe it may have been
two thousand and five, I don't recall exactly. She took
Her health took a serious decline, and Epstein called me
and asked me if I could look after her. By
looking after her, that meant organizing her doctors, making sure
she had new clothes, making sure her house was clean.
(07:07):
Marcus Maxwell's lawyer interjects, where was she Maxwell? She lived
in a retirement establishment outside of Palm Beach, outside West
Palm Beach. I was going to say something like the
Golden Girls, but it's not called that. I just don't
remember what it's called. But it was an old age.
It was a retirement home, if you will, Marcus Todd,
(07:29):
I don't know. We've been going for maybe about an hour. Now,
do you think this is a good time to Blanche? Yeah? Yeah,
So we'll take him in a break. Nice to see
that David Marcus is running the show. What a clown
this David Marcus dude is anyway, Spencer Horn, all right,
so we're going to take a break. The time is
ten fifty six. Break at ten fifty six until eleven
(07:51):
oh seven am. Spencer Horn, we're continuing the profer interview
of miss Maxwell. The time is eleven oh seven am
on Thursday, July twenty fourth. Blanche, all right, so just
picking up where we stopped, you have basically a break,
well not a break, that's the wrong word, but your
relationship with miss Maxwell professional and other changes in two
(08:14):
thousand and three, two thousand and four. Maxwell, Yeah, I
mean over the time that I will stay with Ted.
The more time I spent with Ted, the more distance
I have with him. And when the arrest, well, let's
go back when whatever happened in two thousand and five,
and he became arrested in two thousand and six, Blanche,
So when he was charged and arrested in what we'll
(08:36):
call the Florida investigations, that's what you're talking about. Maxwell,
I am Blanche. Okay, go ahead, Maxwell, So I was
not well, Blanche cuts her off. Well, where you're part
of that investigation? Maxwell? Absolutely not, Blanche. Did law enforcement
ever talk to you as part of that, Maxwell no blanche?
(08:58):
Did you, like, the FEDS never talk to you, Maxwell
no Blanche, The FBI never talked to you, Maxwell no Blanche.
Do you know to that he's cut off by Maxwell.
I never even received a phone call, Blanche? Did you
didn't you get subpoenas? Maxwell no Blanche? Did the state
law enforcement ever reach out to you? Maxwell no blanche?
(09:21):
As far as you know, did the government, either state
or federal subpoena your bank records or subpoena anything from
your financial life during that time. During that time, Maxwell, no,
not as far as I'm aware now. If they did,
I didn't know about it, and I have no idea
about that, to be honest, But I'm not aware of it,
and I would say no. But maybe you guys do
(09:43):
things that I don't know, Blanche. So how did you
learn of that case when mister Epstein was arrested or
did you know that something was happening before then? Maxwell?
The first thing I knew was when he told me
he was deciding to redecorate his house in Palm Beach,
surprise me. It was like a rolling situation, Blanche. But
(10:04):
by that time, are you doing like he tells you
because he wants your help or your relationship change by
this time where you were no longer kind of acting
as his general manager? Maxwell? No, I was still around, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
I wasn't gone. I was with Ted, I was traveling.
I wasn't daily. If you would ask me where he
(10:25):
was at any given time, I'm not sure I would
have known then. I mean, it was I felt like
I suppose the relationship moved into sort of like the
long term friendly family, you know, like she's cut off
again by Blanche, like I felt he had with Eva,
if I'm honest, Blanche, Yeah, Okay. So he says to
(10:45):
you he's going to redecorate the Palm Beach house. Maxwell.
He asked me specifically which decorator he thinks he should use,
because I had a lot of contacts with decorators, and
he was not very good with people. He was useless
at maintaining relationships with people who work for him. I'm
not so anyways, I recommended I think I recommended. I
(11:06):
can't be one hundred percent sure because it's been a
long time, but I think I recommended Mark Zeff at
the time, Blanche who Glenn, Maxwell, Mark Zeff Blanche Okay, Maxwell,
I believe. I don't know why. I don't remember. That's
all lost to time. But anyway, at some point I
think his mother had died. Now I can't remember the
(11:27):
timing of all that either, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. But I
ended up in Palm Beach and he asked me to
come and look at the watches or whatever he was doing,
because they had laid it all over the house and
various things and I think he'd ask for my opinion.
That's my memory of this. It may also be that
Ted and I were going to Palm Beach because Ted
(11:49):
had a golf match or something. There was a reason
I was in pom Beach. It wasn't solely. Maybe that's
not true either. I don't know. So to that she's
cut off by Blanche. Okay. Then Maxwell, you know sometimes
I went to Palm Beach because Ted was there. I
don't know if that's part of that time, Blanche, Okay,
go ahead, Maxwell, or Ted went and left me. I
(12:11):
don't know. Something anyway, I was there. No, that's not
how that went either. No, anyway, at some point in
that time, I was all this swatches. At some point
in two thousand and five, I think that was. And
then I believe or I don't remember. I think I
got a phone call. Actually I wasn't in Palm Beach.
I think I got a phone call that there was
(12:31):
police at his house or something. Blanche, And would you
have gotten a phone call from him or do you
think that you were just told by somebody that knew
that it had happened, or don't you remember? Maxwell? Definitely
not him, Blanche Okay, Maxwell, I think it would have
been the houseman, Blanche. So when that happens, whenever it was,
(12:52):
that's kind of the first time you know about mister
Epstein being investigated for Maxwell cuts him off and even know,
I didn't even understand, and Blanche okay, Maxwell, I didn't
have a context for that. Blanche okay. Maxwell, it was
like I didn't know, I didn't know, Blanche okay. So
after Maxwell cuts them off again, I'm not sure even
(13:14):
what I thought. I was like, that's weird, Blanche. So
after after you find out about it, what happens with
your relationship with them? All Right, We're gonna wrap up
right here, and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
(13:34):
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
picking up where we left off with the Gleam Maxwell
transcripts from July twenty fourth. So, after you find out
about it, what happens with your relationship with them? Maxwell?
I asked them, I asked them what was going on?
Blanche Okay? Maxwell? And he said, not to worry, nothing,
(14:00):
nothing taken care, don't worry about it. Indiscernible, and then
it all went quiet. He didn't say, he didn't share.
I wasn't a part of it at all. I was
off with Ted and I really just to that she's
cut off by Blanche. Did he tell you, well, why
don't we come back to more specifics around that time
period in a few minutes? Maxwell, Okay, Blanche, I just
(14:23):
want to finish this opening part so that case goes on.
Ultimately it ends. What was your relationship like with him
during that case? When he goes, you know, when he
was sentenced Maxwell, he told me he said, listen, I'm
going to jail. I was like, okay, and he goes,
I would like you to stay on board to manage
(14:45):
the properties, the animals, this and that, and just stay
put and I'll continue to pay you in case there
is an emergency. I don't trust anyone. And I was like, okay, Blanche. Well,
when you said continue to pay Maxwell, he had never
stopped paying me, Blanche. He never stopped paying you. So
even when your relationship changes, you are getting Does the
(15:06):
amount increase from the twenty five thousand or so a
year from the beginning, like, how much are you getting
paid yearly? Maxwell? I think it ended at the time, Well,
we had different payment structures and I'm happy to explain
how that was, but I think the salary wise, if
I'm right, it ended at around a quarter of a
million a year, Blanche. How much quarter of a million?
(15:26):
Two hundred and fifty thousand? And when did that stop? Maxwell?
Two thousand and eight or nine? Blanche? So Maxwell cuts
him off, Oh nine, when did he come out of jail?
Whenever he came out of jail, Blanche? Okay. So, And
over the years it increased from what you said was
you thought about twenty five thousand to two hundred and
(15:48):
fifty thousand. That's between like ninety or early nineties until
two thousand and nine or ten whenever that stopped? Is
that right? Maxwell? Yes? Yes, Blanche? And how are you
paid Maxwell? W two? Blanche W two? From what company? Maxwell?
He like, he just moved me around over to this
(16:09):
company that I didn't care, Blanche, okay, Maxwell, And I
didn't care, and I didn't think that. I didn't understand
any rhyme or reason. It doesn't I just you know whatever, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
So maybe she gets cut off by Blanche. So when
he's going to go to jail, he says, can you
stay around and manage everything? Or was it here's some money,
(16:32):
don't say anything. That's probably what it was, right, but
sure Glenn Maxwell is now the arbiter of truth for
the Trump administration. Glenn Maxwell, Yeah, Todd, Blanche and do
you do that? Maxwell? I do Blanche okay, and then
we'll come back to that, Maxwell, Well, not manage everything? No,
(16:52):
I mean there are other people at this point. My
specific role then was very very diminished. Blanche okay. I
reviewed the bill structure that came from the constructions that
were still made the island. Blanche okay, Maxwell, and wherever
else I was going Paris at that point, because I
speak French, I'm fluent in French, and also my relationship
(17:14):
with the French decorator was critical to him. And then
the French component part of that aspect that was really vital.
And so you would have to find someone who was
actually and the Spanish trilingual, and would have had to
find someone who was trilingual and that he trusted. Blanche.
Did you to that He's cut off again by Maxwell
(17:35):
to manage not steal from him, Blanche? Did you so
when he gets out of jail between that time in
twenty nine and ten and twenty nineteen, what's your relationship
like with mister Epstein? Maxwell? Almost non existent? Blanche? Why? Maxwell?
I had just moved on and I didn't want to
have anything. I didn't want the drama. I didn't want
(17:56):
to be associated with Blanche. So do you recall when
you say almost non existent? Does that mean Glenn Maxwell?
It doesn't mean it. He's cut she's cut off again
by Blanche. Was it some phone calls, some visits? Maxwell? Definitely?
Blanche some trips or what does it mean? Maxwell? I
don't think there were ever any trips. I don't think so, Blanche.
(18:19):
Where were you living during this time period? Or was
it she's he's cut off again by Maxwell? Which time
period Blanche? Between two thousand and nine and twenty ten
and twenty nineteen? Maxwell, I was back in New York, Blanche, Okay,
so you had no so your you had the phone
calls with them on occasion, Maxwell? Yes, well, I certainly did.
(18:41):
When it was whenever was any legal drama or anything
like that serious press attention, I always called to try
and find out what was going on, Blanche okay? And
then Maxwell cuts him off again. And I did email
him at the time for those types of details. I
was like, what do I do? What I mean? I
was like, Blanche. And then when he's charged in New
(19:03):
York federally Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, how did you learn about that? Maxwell?
In the press? Blanche? And you, as far as you know,
been contacted by law enforcement before his arrest. Maxwell No,
I wasn't in an indictment, Blanche. No, I know that.
But even as a witness or asking you if you
would have had documents or materials, Maxwell, I had never
(19:27):
up until when my lawyers said that, I don't even know.
I had no knowledge of them being interested in me. Honestly,
I don't want to say until after he died. Now
I know that my lawyers were in touch with the
SDNY at some point after his arrest. I'm pretty sure
that had to have happened, right, Blanche okay, But my
understanding is that they had not shown any interest. I
(19:50):
know my lawyers went to see them once. I believe
Blanche went to see meaning mister Epstein, Glam Maxwell know them.
The Southern District of New York Blanche O the SDNY okay, Maxwell, sorry,
and that they had been in regular in touch with
them and Blanche. But now you're talking about after mister
Epstein died, or are you talking about before he died? Maxwell?
(20:13):
I think she gets cut off again by Blanche. If
you can remember, Maxwell easily verifiable. My memory is that
we were in touch with him when he was arrested. Blanche,
uh huh. Maxwell, I don't know if anything happened until
after his death. Then after that, Blanche okay, Maxwell, I
don't think they saw them met with them southern district
(20:33):
of New York I'm talking about now until after he died.
I know that they were in regular telephone contact with him,
and that my lawyers believed that they had been told
that they had no interest in me. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
and were absolutely stunned when I was arrested. But maybe
stunned is too big a word, but surprised, I certainly was,
(20:54):
Blanche Okay. So Okay. That was the long description of
what was a very long life and what was and
that was very helpful. So I want to go back
and talk some specifically now about particular areas and but
a very helpful kind of foundation for us. The first
thing that I want to talk to you about. And
we talked earlier about mister Epstein's financial success. You know,
(21:17):
how do you know when you first met him, at
some point you say, I got this place for you
to rent. You can't afford it, and he laughs at
you and says, yes I can. What did you learn
about his wealth and how he was how he was
accumulated his money, Maxwell, I can tell you what he
told me, Blanche. Yes, Maxwell, I know that he was
hired from working at a private school whose name eludes
(21:38):
me at this point, Lea Safion Dalton, Glenn Maxwell Dalton.
He was working at Dalton. He was a math teacher,
and he met I think it was Ace. I'm not
sure he met someone from Bear who hired him because
he was very good at math. And I believe that
when he worked at creating a trading of Oh my gosh, Blanche,
just describe it. It's okay, go ahead, Maxwell, he came
(22:02):
up with some new type of trading system, not a
system so much, but a trading vehicle. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
I'm just scrape. I'm just escaping right now, Blanche. And
this is while he was working at Barri Stearns. Maxwell
at Bari Stearns. Yes, Blanche okay, Maxwell, and well to
that she's cut off by Blanche. Well, and this is
(22:24):
before you met him, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, so this is
what he told you Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, what you learned? Maxwell? Yes,
this is what he told me, Blanche okay, Maxwell himself, Blanche.
So then eventually he starts a financial firm. Do you
know anything about that to be true or no? Jay
Epstein in company? You ever heard of that? I think
(22:47):
it's yeah, so yes, so hang on a minute. This
I did not know, but this is I have subsequently learned,
Blanche okay. Maxwell. Is that some problem or some issue
at Baris Stearns, And there was some I don't know, disagreement.
He wasn't fired because obviously he was still very friendly
with Ace and Jimmy at least by the time I
met him, but they were working with him, and he
(23:09):
ran he had clients money at Baris Stearns. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
and his money is client's money. Well, I'll come to that.
But he started He told me himself that he started
a business where he looked for stolen money. So if
somebody let's see, I'm trying to think of some intelligent
way to say it, but I can't think of anything
I've been with. Not great, I'll give it to you.
(23:30):
So let's say you're El Chopo. Oh god, I don't
know where this comes from. But anyway, we've got El
Chopo and al Choppo's laundering money. And still he's working
with the Cinealoa cartel, and he steals money from the
Cinealoa cartel and he moves it to wherever. So he's
gotten stolen money from the Cineloa cartel, goes to it.
This didn't happen. I'm just Blanche, Yeah, yeah, I understand
(23:51):
Maxwell coming up with something in my head. And the
Cineloa cartel says to Epstein, can you track down my
billion dollars that the cartel the other cartels for me
and Epstein will go and find that billion dollars and
will take a portion of the money that was stolen
as a fee and give back the remainder. That would
be a percentage basis Blanche. No, but like what you
(24:13):
just described, which I appreciate what you said is hypothetical.
That was completely hypothetical, But that would involve like so
two kinds of drug cartels stealing from each other. Practically speaking,
he was more of a businessman, correct, Maxwell. So here's
how I think that started. It started. He had a girlfriend.
(24:33):
It was always you, always to the girls. I guess
there was a girl whose name will come back to me,
maybe not whilst we're here, but I don't know. Maybe
there's a woman Blanche. Okay, there's always a woman. And
she was the daughter of a billionaire, for instance. And
the billionaire whoever his whatever his name was, had some
money stolen, and for some reason, this woman introduced Jeffrey,
(24:56):
and Jeffrey I think that's how the business started. That's
what I remember, Blanche. And is that something he told
you about or something that happened while you knew him?
Maxwell knows something he told me about before I met him, Blanche.
And so when you met him and once you were
a part of his life in the early to mid nineties,
what's he doing to make money that you see? Does
(25:18):
he have clients? Does he have rich clients? Does he
have famous clients? And how what if he provides the clients?
What service is he providing them? Maxwell? He does well,
obviously there's the one very famous client that everybody talks about,
which is Les Wexner. That was a very important client
to him, and I think it's probably helpful to describe
(25:39):
what I imagine would I know to be true about
what he managed for less and there are some bits
that I'll be improvising. Blanche, yep, Maxwell, I cuts off
by Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, I just want to make you
understand I was not part of Epstein's business world, except
so what I'm talking about is what I observed or
(26:00):
what I overheard or what I saw within the business.
But I wasn't responsible for any of the client's money
or anything like that, so it's separate. Okay, Yeah, I understand,
says Blanche Glenn Maxwell. Okay, all right, we're gonna cut
off right here, and in the next episode we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All of the information
that goes with this episode can be found in the
(26:21):
description box.
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