December 28, 2025 • 33 mins
On August 22, 2025, the U.S. Department of Justice released redacted transcripts and audio recordings of a two-day interview it conducted in July with Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring. During the interview, Maxwell denied ever seeing any inappropriate behavior by former President Donald Trump, describing him as a “gentleman in all respects,” and insisted she “never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.” She also rejected the existence of a so-called “client list,” countering years of speculation, and claimed to have no knowledge of blackmail or illicit recordings tied to Epstein.
In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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source:
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
left off with the Glene Maxwell deposition that was recently released,
and once again Todd Blanche is asking the questions and
Glenne Maxwell is doing the answering. Maxwell, I want you
(00:20):
to understand I was not part of Epstein's business world.
So what I'm talking about is what I observed or
what I overheard or what I saw within the business.
But I wasn't responsible for any of the client's money
or anything like that, so it's separate. Todd Blanche, Okay, yeah,
I understand. Maxwell. Okay, Blanche, go ahead. Maxwell. So with Less,
(00:43):
for instance, it was really all encompassing. It could go
from structure of the business, so he would he structured
or restructured the limited. I know that, and I'll come
back to that because I also travel with him and Less,
and I was in business meetings with them on the
plane when they were there, so I could observe and
I could hear some of this. Now, whilst I'm not
(01:04):
necessarily terribly business sophisticated, I'm sophisticated enough to be able
to at least have some knowledge of what was happening,
all right, So then he restructured the business, he restructured
his entire personal finances, and would also handle all of
the investment strategy. I don't know if it was if
it was one hundred percent, Blanche, mister Wexner, is what
(01:27):
you're saying? Maxwell? Sorry, yes, all this all Wexner I'm
talking about. Now. So let's say you had a billion
dollars to invest, you would you know, in people's normal
investment portfolios, you would have you know, some T bonds
and this and that. But Epstein's strategy would be much
more sophisticated than that, Blanche. And so just staying with
(01:49):
mister Wexner, does from what you heard or saw, is
mister Epstein paid by him in percentages? Like so there
would be a deal and he would be paid for
or was did you understand is to be like a
flat fee? Was he a business partner? Like? How did
you understand him to be paid? Well, if the DOJ
would have hit Epstein with RICO, we'd have those answers,
(02:10):
wouldn't we? And you know what's goofy about this whole
entire deposition, Todd, Blanche doesn't even know what he's talking
about he doesn't even know what questions to ask this woman,
and it's very apparent. Maxwell, I think it was more
a le carte. So let's say this is a conversation.
I actually Epstein told me so all illustrated for me.
(02:32):
Said if I saved someone five billion, he would take
a flat percentage of that five billion. He wouldn't have
five billion back, and he would take Blanche cuts her off.
When you say you think that, is that because you
heard him talking about that or Maxwell, it would be
a combination of both. He certainly told me that, and
I heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't
(02:53):
to that she's cut off by Blanche. No, No, go ahead, Maxwell, No,
Blanche did there was there? Did he give Wexner gift
of property in New York too, mister Epstein? Maxwell, so
we're talking about seventy first Street. So I don't know
what the business deal was, because again I'm not a
part of his business thing. But I think what happened
(03:14):
would be that, let's say that les Odum theoretically for
his services one hundred million or whatever it was, he
could have traded that against the property. Blanche. Do you
know that happened, or are you kind of do you
remember whether there was a conversation about that, or are
you just thinking that could be one way that it happened. Maxwell,
(03:34):
I'm not sure, and I'm not trying to be I
just don't remember if that's something I know, or if
that's something that I remember, or if it's something that
I subsequently know. This whole entire thing, folks, is a
big ass jerk off. That's all it is. And the
whole point of this ridiculous exercise is to try and
give themselves cover. I believe that to be what happened,
(03:57):
but I don't want to tell you that I have to.
She's cut off once again by her buddy Todd, Blanche Maxwell.
Does that make sense, Blanche, did mister Wexner or mister Epstein?
Are you aware of their falling out that they ultimately had? Maxwell?
I think I wasn't there. I don't know how it happened.
I only know what Les has said in the press
(04:18):
cover story. There was no falling out. That whole entire
thing was a cover story, so that Les Wexner had
an exit point when all the fucking dominoes started to fall, Blanche,
So you only know about there. You know they're falling
out or whatever you want to call it, from what
you kind of read, not from any first hawn knowledge
(04:40):
you did. You weren't there, You weren't part of that Maxwell, correct, Blanche?
Do you know somebody named Stephen Hoffenberg? Maxwell? Only from
the press, Blanche? Okay, so you don't know anything about
whatever business relationship they may have had. Mister Epstein cut
off once again by Maxwell, never spoke about him, never
meant I only learned about that, whatever that is, even
(05:03):
I don't even know what it is or what the
truth of the story is, from the press. And you're
going to notice that throughout this whole entire thing, there's
a whole lot of Glenn Maxwell not remembering, and she's
not pressed at all by Todd Blanche. And that's because
the fix is in Todd Blanche. How about Leon Black? Maxwell? Oh,
I did meet Leon? I do know Leon Blanche. When
(05:25):
do you remember and again, I know we're talking about
a very long time ago, but do you remember approximately
when you met him? Maxwell? I could have met Leon
not really, so I might have met him. Nothing to
do because Leon Black is a very good friend with
other friends of mine of course he is. I would
have met him, when I say socially, I might have
(05:46):
met him. How Leon and Epstein became really good friends,
I don't. I'm not sure. And what's wild is that
Leon Black's son is part of the Trump administration, Blanche.
But not through you, as far as you recall, Maxwell, No,
not through me, as far as I know. In fact,
I'm sure that's not through me, Blanche. Do you know
(06:07):
what kind of work mister Epstein was doing for mister
Black over the years, Maxwell, sam is what he did
for Wexner, Blanche. So we just talked about two individuals.
And again, I know we're talking about maybe a fifteen
year time period or even longer. How many clients like
that did mister Epstein have, Glenn Maxwell? But why I
(06:27):
don't I just give you the names that I remember?
And that's Blanche? Say it again, Maxwell, Why won't I
just give you the names? Blanche? Yeah? Maxwell, so you
want the names, Blanche, He's sure, go ahead, Glenn Maxwell,
Elizabeth Johnson, Johnson and Johnson. And we know that Jeffrey
Epstein also purchased a Skechalet in veil from the Johnson family,
(06:52):
And honestly, it doesn't shock me. The Johnson family has
been up to no good for a very long time, Blan.
Which when did as far as you know, when did
the relationship between miss Johnson and mister Epstein start? I
don't the nineties, ninety five, ninety six, Blanche. So during
the time period Maxwell, yes we're talking nineties, We're talking
(07:15):
when I was there, When I was around Blanche, And
how did the relationship start Maxwell, I don't know how
he became friendly and where he ended up managing her money.
I wasn't there. I mean, he really had a separate life.
We really had separate lives. So what's funny here is
you have the administration in people coming out saying, oh well,
Maxwell said nothing happened, and then out of the other
(07:37):
side of her mouth, she's saying she wasn't even around,
So how does she know what happened? Just like I
told you from the very beginning, Glayn Maxwell was a manager.
Glayn Maxwell was not somebody on the inside making deals
and whipping work. And just like I predicted, Glean Maxwell
is not the Rosetta Stone that everybody thought she was
gonna be. Okay Maxwell, except where they sinked Blanche, But
(08:04):
it wasn't from Maxwell. It wasn't from me. Maxwell, No,
it was not Blanche. Okay. And what's your understanding of
what mister Epstein did for miss Johnson, Maxwell, same is
what he did for Wexner. And when I and you
have to understand, it went down in tiny details. So
I remember this, I remember this an actual memory. That
(08:25):
he would make the contracts for the maids for the
people who worked in their homes, Blanche. So he would
assist his clients at times with you're saying, with even
small things like contractual relations, Maxwell, he said, no detail
was too small because everything that affected how they lived
and how they managed their life was something that he
(08:45):
felt was if they want it, would be responsible for
to make sure that the contract so that if you
had to fire someone it wouldn't come back to sue you,
or if that you sort of Blanche cuts her off. Okay.
So mister Black, mister Werner, Wexner, he doesn't even know
the names. This is what I'm talking about, Todd. Blanche
(09:05):
is a fool. This dude's a patsy that was sent
here to try and run cover for the administration. And
if you don't want to believe that that's on you.
If you want to buy into the myth that the
administration actually cares and they're trying to be transparent. Cool,
go ahead, but you're gonna be the one who looks
stupid later on down the road when the dominoes all fall.
(09:27):
Blanche knows someone named Jess Staley. Maxwell. Yes, I do
know Jess, Blanche. Who's that Maxwell? He was at Morgan
Stanley and at Barclay's. Blanche. What do you do whether
he and mister Epstein had a relationship Maxwell, Well, not
a physical one, Blanche, Well, Marcus, a business one, Blanche.
(09:48):
I didn't suggest Maxwell, Sorry, I just Blanche, No, I'm
saying a relationship in the broadest sense of the word
business personal Maxwell, yes, Blanche okay? Maxwell, yes to both
Blanche okay. And do you know when they met? Maxwell? No,
I don't know when they met, but you can time it. Well,
I don't know that you can. No, I don't know, Blanche. So,
(10:14):
but what was the nature of their relationship As far
as you know, Maxwell, I think they were friends, and
I think there were business partners, well partners too strong
of a word, but they were. They did business together, Blanche.
So did you again, I want to stay focused on
the time where you were the most involved in his life.
So Maxwell the nineties, Todd Blanche the early nineties through
(10:36):
the early two thousands. Maxwell in the beginning of the
two thousands. Yes, Todd Blanche. So we talked about four people.
So Maxwell, there's more, Blanche, There're more, okay, Maxwell? Oh, yes,
there were more. There was a lady whose name I
can't remember. Can I get my book? Maybe I wrote
them down, Blanche. Sure, Maxwell. Epstein wouldn't let me meet
(11:01):
his clients. Blanche, what book are you using? What is that? Maxwell?
I wrote some notes for the meeting, Blanche? Okay, great, Okay, Maxwell?
Is that alright? Blanche? No, that's fine. I was just
curious what you were looking at. Maxwell. Oh, okay, Marcus.
Not the birthday book. Maxwell, it's not the birthday book. No,
we're going to come to that, I'm sure, Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell,
(11:23):
all right. I wrote down some names because I tried
to make I just want you to understand my memory
is not as good as it was because when I
was in Brooklyn, I was in the shoe for almost
two years, and I was on suicide watch for almost
two years, which meant that they woke me up every
fifteen minutes for the entire time, and it's really did
affect my ability to Blanche cuts her off, understand, Glenn Maxwell, Okay,
(11:48):
Oh my god, this is such a joke. How could
anybody read this and not be disgusted. It's like a
homie sitting down with his friend in the backyard, catching
up after a few years being a Blanche. So you've
taken some notes in anticipation, Maxwell, I just made some
names in advance for this, Blanche. Yeah, okay, So go ahead, Maxwell,
(12:09):
and you're happy to look at them as well if
you want, no, go ahead, Maxwell? Okay, Well, funny you
say first two names. One is Wexner, two is Dalley,
three is Leon Black Blanche okay, Maxwell, Glen Duben was
a client Todd Blanche, who's that? Bro? Doesn't even know
who Glenn Duben is a guy that was credibly accused
(12:30):
of taking part of the abuse. Has no idea who
he is, huh, Glenn, Maxwell Eva Dubin's husband, Blanche. Okay,
what was there? I mean, if you can, do you
know about that relationship and when it started Maxwell, whenever,
well wouldn't have been before they got married, for sure,
So if you're going to start, you're going to date
(12:50):
that from wherever that was. And then Epstein was heavily
involved with Highbridge Capital and the financing or selling of
Highbridge to JP Morgan. Blanche, Okay, go ahead, you have
a dubin yep Maxwell, Okay, you're only looking for clients,
So all right, there is a woman, well he there's
a woman in Ohio. I just can't think of her name,
but I tried to remember it yesterday and I can't.
(13:13):
David Marcus. So this is a good thing, like you know,
as you think of things, write it down and if
they have any other names, they'll ask you, but you
Maxwell cuts her off. Blanche, Yeah, just Marcus, don't force it.
So you'll have time to think about this, especially today,
this afternoon overnight client Maxwell okay, because she hasn't had
(13:34):
time to think about this previously what she been doing
in that jail cell besides complaining Marcus. Because we'll probably
meet tomorrow. Maxwell. But you can find them. I mean,
if you basically find a billionaire female Blanche, So the
woman in Ohio who's wealthy that you worked with, Maxwell,
and well, you can identify yourself because she has the
(13:56):
largest client painting that was huge. So you can find
her because it'll be in a museum, Blanche, okay, Glenn Maxwell,
So that's her, Todd Blanche, and so he that was
one of mister Epstein's clients. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, she was
one of mister Epstein's clients as well. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, Okay?
(14:17):
Who else? Maxwell? Well, I think that there was other
people that would like assist. I know that he helped
Lynn Forrester, who became Lynn the Rothschild. She'll deny it,
and she has, but she can't Todd, Blanche. And when
you say help, the help in business or what help? Maxwell? Well,
so I have no idea what he did for I
(14:39):
know he helped her financially. Her husband was the controller
of New York. So I don't Again, I'm not inside
his business, but he would have this notion that he
blackmailed men or we don't really have to go there,
that he wasn't a businessman, and that everything he did
was a fraud or a funk or I don't believe
(15:01):
that to be true, Blanche? Why? Maxwell? Sorry, Blanche, why
do you say that you don't believe it to be true?
But show me why you think that Maxwell. Okay, Blanche,
just from I know you've been talking about it, that
he was very he was very conscientious, he was very
good at math. He took paid a lot of attention
(15:21):
to his clients. But yes, you're right, there's allegations of
blackmail or also that there was some level of fraud
involved in what he did, and you don't believe it.
Why do you say that, Maxwell, Well, let me rephrase that.
If there was fraud, I never saw it. Well, you
just told us you weren't part of the business, So
why would you see the fraud. The only fraud that
I see here is this whole entire fucking process. When
(15:45):
I saw or what I felt when his when I
ran the office, I mean ran, I didn't. I was
responsible for the staff, people work. There were lawyers, there
were accountants. I never heard them. I never felt anything.
I don't know, Icky Marcus, did you ever see him
blackmail a Maxwell? Never Marcus a client? Maxwell? No, Marcus,
(16:07):
did you ever see him blackmail a friend or an acquaintance? Maxwell?
No Marcus. Okay, all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
right here, and in the next episode we're gonna pick
up where we left off with this ridiculous nonsense. All
of the information that goes with this episode can be
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
(16:31):
we're picking up where we left off with a Glenn
Maxwell deposition given to the DOJ. Blanche. Well, so, I
think when folks talk about blackmail, and we can talk
about sorry about that, Maxwell, we can talk about that now.
There are a lot of allegations about him, which well,
which we should talk about, and we can do that now.
(16:54):
And the fact that he abused young women Maxwell, yes, Blanche,
full stop, Okay, which means the way that I'm the
finding abuse, as has been widely reported, is that he
would cause young girls, young women in high school to
be recruited to come to his house and give them
a massage, young women, children, bro underage girls, and as
(17:17):
part of and as part of that, he would sexually
abuse them. Okay, Maxwell, yes, Blanche. So I want to
talk about that, But as it relates to blackmail, the
question is whether you're aware of any time that any
of the individuals we're talking about, and we'll talk about
others receive massages from women who are under eighteen or
(17:38):
may have been under eighteen, and that whether there was
any sexual assaults or sexual contact between any of these
people and those messuses, which would have allowed then mister
Epstein potentially to blackmail them and say you have to
continue to work for me, or you have to give
me money, or else I'm going to tell the world
what you did. You know, this dumb fuck Todd Blanche,
(18:00):
which has no idea what he's talking about massuses. If
a fifteen year old girl from Palm Beach High School
is considered a massuse, then I'm considered a fucking cosmonaut. Maxwell, Right,
I think this is a really good place to start
with how that story began, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell's so even
let's assume that that premise is correct, that he was
(18:21):
doing that and he was going to tell everybody going
to say, oh, you know, you had inappropriate relations with
an underage girl if you don't have a video or
a photograph, photographic evidence, because I'm not sure that even
the FBI would take that, well maybe today, but certainly
not back then, would take that seriously. So you have
to have something to say, Hey, you know, look, I've
(18:42):
got this video of you doing terrible things and you
need to blah blah blah. So I built those houses,
many of them. I decorated those houses. I put the
electricians in for the wiring. I never wired nor saw
a single house that had any type of inappropriate let's say,
video surveillance. I'll find that for you. Inappropriate surveillance would
mean in a bathroom, in a bedroom, in any private
(19:05):
area of a home. So Glenne, Maxwell's telling the truth
and everybody else is lying. Huh Okay, I guess Todd
Blanche in a room where there were massages given Maxwell, inappropriate,
I would say, I would define an appropriate surveillance would
be the front door of the house, or potentially in
seventy first Street, the physical plant. Anywhere else would be grotesque, Blanche.
(19:28):
So I just want to come back to I know
I'm just hopefully stating the obvious. But when you say
the house is you're talking about New York, Maxwell, yes,
the Brownstone, Yes, you're talking about the island in the Caribbean. Maxwell. Yes,
you're talking about the residence in Palm Beach Maxwell, yes,
Todd Blanche. And you're talking about the ranch in New Mexico. Maxwell, Yes,
(19:51):
Todd Blanche anywhere else Maxwell, Paris, Blanche, and in Paris,
and so Maxwell cuts them off. And the plane, I
saw some ridiculous thing with the plane, Blanche and the plane, Okay, Maxwell,
that's what we're doing. Yes, I didn't, Blanche. So Maxwell
cuts them off. I didn't hire any electrician on the plane. Okay, Blanche,
(20:13):
so unequivocally, unequivocally from what you know, and you only
know what you know, Maxwell, I only know what I know, Blanche.
But from what you know, you do not believe a
camera exists, or a video camera or a camera that
takes pictures inside any of his residences. Maxwell, correct, This
whole entire thing's a joke, and I almost don't even
want to go through it. Honestly, she's trying to rewrite
(20:36):
the story, and this boob Todd Blanche is actually letting
her get away with it. Then again, that's the whole
point of this whole entire thing, right, give them a
cover story and make a look like this thing is
over and done with Blanche. So, even the appropriate cameras
that you just talked about, which would be kind of
exterior security cameras, did you know whether there was any
(20:58):
camera that you're aware of inside of that location. Maxwell,
Never with one exception, Blanche, Okay, what's the exception? Maxwell?
The exception is pom Beach. Blanche, Okay. Maxwell. And the
reason so on pom Beach, Epstein was having money stolen.
He noticed money was being stolen from his briefcase, call
it his briefcase, and he called in the pom Beach
(21:20):
police and they, the pom Beach Police installed cameras on
where he kept his briefcase. Blanche, where was that? Do
you remember? Maxwell? At his desk in the house on
the ground floor, he had a desk sort of in
the corner. There was that camera. I think there was
another camera. I think there were two or maybe three cameras,
I believe only on the ground floor wherever he may
(21:41):
have had maybe he had another office in the cabana,
there may have been a camera there, Blanche. When was
this I'm not looking for exact dates, but the time
period are you talking about when you say this, Maxwell,
two thousand and three. I think I can date it
for you precisely. Actually, two thousand and three, pretty I'm
on that date, Blanche. So Maxwell interrupts them, and I
(22:04):
can be firm because John Alessi. The butler was fired
in the end of two thousand and two, and he
was the thief. Blanche. So, aside from law enforcement installing
a camera to try to catch somebody stealing money from
mister Epstein, you're not aware of any cameras at the island. No, sorry,
you're just so we record it because Maxwell. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Blanche. No,
(22:26):
that's okay, you are not in your head. No, so
what about Maxwell interrupts. No cameras anywhere outside of possibly
things that would I would consider myself, I would consider normal.
So the garage, Gay, it's something like that, a front door, Blanche,
outside like security cameras, Maxwell, security cameras. Well. I can
tell you for a fact that Zoro Ranch had cameras
(22:48):
everywhere on the outside. When I went to Zoro Ranch
in twenty eight twenty, they had more cameras on this
property than Red China has. In the workplace, everywhere you
look there was a camera, And according to people that
worked on the property, people who went to the property,
the whole entire place was wired up. So here's what
it comes down to. Do you believe Glenn Maxwell or
(23:11):
do you believe the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. That's really
what it comes down to. And I think that's a
litmus test because if you believe anything this woman saying,
I would guess that you're suffering from CTE because there's
no other explanation. Maxwell. And there were cameras inside the
seventy first Street that did the plant, the physical plant,
(23:32):
because it was a commercial building, so you had the
whole that's a real thing there. It's a commercial building.
And there were there was one camera on the front door,
internal from the internal that did the front door, as
I recall, but there were no other cameras inside the house. Blanche.
Did you ever, how about photographs? Did you ever observe
mister Epstein or anybody around them take pictures of anybody
(23:54):
in compromising positions with women or with or with anybody,
Glenn Maxwell, no Blanche, did you ever hear when you
were present four conversations that mister Epstein was having or
others were having, anybody accused them of blackmailing them or
trying to extort them because of something mister Epstein knew, Maxwell,
no Blanche, there have been and you you in the
(24:17):
discovery you got in the New York case okay, Maxwell, Yes,
And in the civil cases that you've been part of, Maxwell, yes,
associated with mister Epstein, have you ever been given or
ever given or told that video exists like what we're
talking about, or photos were taken that were compromising? Claim Maxwell.
In both of those, I never received no pictures or
(24:39):
anything from a civil case, Blanche, Uh huh, Maxwell. But
in the criminal case, I received videos of Epstein talking
to women and stuff like that. I did get those.
I also saw binders photographs of women, and I never
saw any well, I don't know. I don't know how
old some of those women were. There were definitely some
of the victims from Palm Beach photographs of them without clothing, Blanche,
(25:04):
And in that in those photographs were the victims that
were photographed? Were there any of the people you've talked about,
like were the men with the victims or were they
just photographs of the victims? Maxwell, There was no men
with these pictures. There was no client of his with
those pictures. They would be standalone, for want of a
better word, like modeling shots if you were I don't know,
(25:26):
Marcus pictures with Epstein had with girls, but not Epstein
with the clients and the girls. Maxwell, Correct, Blanche, did
you I understand you said you got those in discovery.
Did you know those pictures, pictures like that existed so
right now talking about photographs of victims or photographs of
women that mister Epstein had it on his computer or
(25:48):
wherever he had them, did you know that those photos
existed before you got them in discovery? Maxwell? Some of them, absolutely,
because they were in his house. Some of these pictures
were on his you know, Credenza or whatever. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
some pictures I've simply never seen before. I mean there
was I had never seen some of them. Some of
them I had, some of them I hadn't. I mean, Blanche,
(26:11):
did you? So You're right? And I accept that having
video or photographs of somebody famous or powerful in a
compromising position would be good blackmail, but so separate putting
aside what you've said about the fact that you don't
know of any existence of those. Did you observe over
the years the folks were talking about or others which
(26:32):
we can talk about getting massages from young women, Glenn Maxwell,
I just I think it's really helpful to understand a
few things that has been missed in this whole michigus,
whatever the fuck that means. So what she's trying to
do here is she's trying to smooth it over, and
Blanche is letting her do it. If you haven't noticed yet,
Marcus and Maxwell are the ones running the debt position. Marcus,
(26:56):
that's the technical term, Blanche, I'll look it up later.
Go ahead, Maxwell. I thought about this obviously a lot,
and I've given it Blanche yep some this benefit benefit
of what I saw and some benefit of what now
I think. So, just for clarity's sake, I just want
to say for the record that I do believe Epstein
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did a lot, not all, but some of what he's
accused of, and I'm not here to defend him in
any respect whatsoever. Well, that's exactly what you're doing. I
don't want to, and I don't think he requires or
deserves any type of protection from me in any way
to sugarcoat what he did or didn't do. So there's that. However,
the man I met and the man he became, I
(27:38):
believe that there is a lot of progression, and I
don't think that the man I met is the man
that he became. I believe he became that man over
a period of time. Now we can discuss anything you want,
and I'll tell you everything I know. But I think
somebody who has an interest, however you define that in
underage people, is obviously someone who is unwell. But I
(27:59):
don't think that you wake up one day and you
start doing what he's accused of. I think this is
something that you develop or you progress to. I think
that because Marcus Golaine. Before you go into all that,
let's answer the top line question and get into that. Maxwell. Okay,
the top line question is did you ever see any
of these people with underage women? And what David Marcus
(28:21):
is doing here is redirecting her, so he gets to
the point that he's trying to make run cover for
the administration, run cover for the DOJ, and justify their
decision to talk to Maxwell. But this is going to
blow up in their face because the thing she's saying
in this transcript, a lot of them are verifiably untrue.
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The problem is the people that are doing the deposition
have zero idea what they're talking about. They don't even
know the basic story, so that they don't know where
to dig, they don't know where to push they don't
know where to pull. What they're doing is letting Glaine
Maxwell just spit a bunch of bullshit. No. So the
reason I'm saying that is not not to avoid that question,
(29:03):
but it's because by the time when you are talking
in the nineties, I don't think he was there. There's
that description. I think that this what you're talking about
is a later version, Blanche. Yeah, and Maxwell does that?
Is that? Blanche? No, I understand that, and I do
want to talk about that, Maxwell. So it's just I
(29:23):
think you need to separate the periods of time, Blanche. Sure, Maxwell,
because one of the things that was definitely missing in
my trial and definitely missing from the narrative is this
notion that everything happened and he was always But no,
I don't believe that to be true. Oh yeah, he
was just you know, a normal guy, right, and he
(29:45):
just became sick and twisted. Stop the cat, Maxwell. We
all know what you did to Virginia. We all know
what you did to Maria Farmer, and we all know
what you did to Annie, we all know what you
did to Carolyn. Shut your fucking mouth, and anybody out
here carrying water for Glen Maxwell, come get that smoke.
I'm not hard to find, Blanche. So I mean that
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that that's fine, and I do want to talk about that.
I'm not pushing that away. I'm just putting it aside
for the moment. What mister Epstein did, and frankly, what
you did or are accused of doing, is one thing
that I that will talk about. But right now, what
I want to understand is whether one of the ways
that mister Epstein befriended his clients or took care of them,
(30:28):
or some would say Black Melbom was by encouraging them
to have interactions with women under age or not that
you're accused of She is a convicted child molester. Mister Blanche,
What the fuck are you even talking about right now? So,
I think in the nineties he may have encouraged them,
but these were people who were in their twenties or thirties, Blanche,
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So I understand that Maxwell may have. He would have messuses, right,
and he did male and female by the way, in
the nineties that have never been discussed. Both in yoga
and everything, there was men as well as women. Yeah,
you mean like Gypsy Agita, the massage therapist that led
Chante Davies into the belly of the beast, that's what
you mean. And so if you would travel and I
(31:12):
can show them to you. I highlighted them on the
flight record so you could see that there really were
men that were also there. He would say, like do
yoga with Tito, or would be like a massage with
this one, but they would be in their late twenties
and professional massuses, Blanche so, Maxwell So, I think there's
a distinction. Blanche, and I want to talk about actual
(31:33):
individuals here, but I understand the distinction between somebody who's
an adult and someone who's underage. But even with somebody
who's an adult, did you know mister Epstein to encourage
folks to do that, whether it's a client or somebody else, Maxwell, So,
I certainly witnessed them. So if what you're saying with
him and you had a massage, he would often travel
(31:54):
with a massuse. He would say, hey, would you like
a massage? And he did do that, yes, Blanche, But
would you or him or anybody else follow up with
the messus afterwards to find out if there was any
inappropriate sexual contact? Maxwell, I never did know, Blanche So, meaning,
And then coming back to the blackmail issue. Maxwell, Yeah, Blanche,
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there is nothing wrong with getting a massage, of course,
not especially you know, especially if somebody is obviously an
adult a massuse. I'm not quiddling with that. But my
question is that there's a lot of accusations that one
way mister Maxwell, mister Maxwell, I'm sorry, mister Epstein was
successful was through this idea of blackmail. Maxwell, I never, Blanche,
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interrupts her, And yes, young women is a crime. Children
are a crime, Maxwell, Absolutely, Blanche, But even women over
the age of eighteen. If mister Epstein encouraged these men
or women to get massages and have inappropriate sexual contact
with the masseuse, that's a separate issue, maybe slightly nuanced.
But did you ever know him to do that? Maxwell? No,
(33:00):
I never did, absolutely myself. I never heard him ask someone.
I never heard that. I never no one in the
entire time I was with him, or friends with them,
or had anyone. No one ever reported to me or
came to me and said that anything inappropriate happened or
was upset by. I never saw a tear. I never
saw any of that, Blanche. And when you say no
(33:22):
one reported to me, meaning the messuses, Maxwell never Blanche,
or anyone at the house staff, Maxwell never, Marcus, or
the clients, Blanche or the clients themselves, Maxwell never, All right,
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
episode we'll pick up with this bullshit where we left off.
All of the information that goes with this episode can
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be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
left off with the Glene Maxwell deposition that was recently released,
and once again Todd Blanche is asking the questions and
Glenne Maxwell is doing the answering. Maxwell, I want you
(00:20):
to understand I was not part of Epstein's business world.
So what I'm talking about is what I observed or
what I overheard or what I saw within the business.
But I wasn't responsible for any of the client's money
or anything like that, so it's separate. Todd Blanche, Okay, yeah,
I understand. Maxwell. Okay, Blanche, go ahead. Maxwell. So with Less,
(00:43):
for instance, it was really all encompassing. It could go
from structure of the business, so he would he structured
or restructured the limited. I know that, and I'll come
back to that because I also travel with him and Less,
and I was in business meetings with them on the
plane when they were there, so I could observe and
I could hear some of this. Now, whilst I'm not
(01:04):
necessarily terribly business sophisticated, I'm sophisticated enough to be able
to at least have some knowledge of what was happening,
all right, So then he restructured the business, he restructured
his entire personal finances, and would also handle all of
the investment strategy. I don't know if it was if
it was one hundred percent, Blanche, mister Wexner, is what
(01:27):
you're saying? Maxwell? Sorry, yes, all this all Wexner I'm
talking about. Now. So let's say you had a billion
dollars to invest, you would you know, in people's normal
investment portfolios, you would have you know, some T bonds
and this and that. But Epstein's strategy would be much
more sophisticated than that, Blanche. And so just staying with
(01:49):
mister Wexner, does from what you heard or saw, is
mister Epstein paid by him in percentages? Like so there
would be a deal and he would be paid for
or was did you understand is to be like a
flat fee? Was he a business partner? Like? How did
you understand him to be paid? Well, if the DOJ
would have hit Epstein with RICO, we'd have those answers,
(02:10):
wouldn't we? And you know what's goofy about this whole
entire deposition, Todd, Blanche doesn't even know what he's talking
about he doesn't even know what questions to ask this woman,
and it's very apparent. Maxwell, I think it was more
a le carte. So let's say this is a conversation.
I actually Epstein told me so all illustrated for me.
(02:32):
Said if I saved someone five billion, he would take
a flat percentage of that five billion. He wouldn't have
five billion back, and he would take Blanche cuts her off.
When you say you think that, is that because you
heard him talking about that or Maxwell, it would be
a combination of both. He certainly told me that, and
I heard him talk to people like that. I couldn't
(02:53):
to that she's cut off by Blanche. No, No, go ahead, Maxwell, No,
Blanche did there was there? Did he give Wexner gift
of property in New York too, mister Epstein? Maxwell, so
we're talking about seventy first Street. So I don't know
what the business deal was, because again I'm not a
part of his business thing. But I think what happened
(03:14):
would be that, let's say that les Odum theoretically for
his services one hundred million or whatever it was, he
could have traded that against the property. Blanche. Do you
know that happened, or are you kind of do you
remember whether there was a conversation about that, or are
you just thinking that could be one way that it happened. Maxwell,
(03:34):
I'm not sure, and I'm not trying to be I
just don't remember if that's something I know, or if
that's something that I remember, or if it's something that
I subsequently know. This whole entire thing, folks, is a
big ass jerk off. That's all it is. And the
whole point of this ridiculous exercise is to try and
give themselves cover. I believe that to be what happened,
(03:57):
but I don't want to tell you that I have to.
She's cut off once again by her buddy Todd, Blanche Maxwell.
Does that make sense, Blanche, did mister Wexner or mister Epstein?
Are you aware of their falling out that they ultimately had? Maxwell?
I think I wasn't there. I don't know how it happened.
I only know what Les has said in the press
(04:18):
cover story. There was no falling out. That whole entire
thing was a cover story, so that Les Wexner had
an exit point when all the fucking dominoes started to fall, Blanche,
So you only know about there. You know they're falling
out or whatever you want to call it, from what
you kind of read, not from any first hawn knowledge
(04:40):
you did. You weren't there, You weren't part of that Maxwell, correct, Blanche?
Do you know somebody named Stephen Hoffenberg? Maxwell? Only from
the press, Blanche? Okay, so you don't know anything about
whatever business relationship they may have had. Mister Epstein cut
off once again by Maxwell, never spoke about him, never
meant I only learned about that, whatever that is, even
(05:03):
I don't even know what it is or what the
truth of the story is, from the press. And you're
going to notice that throughout this whole entire thing, there's
a whole lot of Glenn Maxwell not remembering, and she's
not pressed at all by Todd Blanche. And that's because
the fix is in Todd Blanche. How about Leon Black? Maxwell? Oh,
I did meet Leon? I do know Leon Blanche. When
(05:25):
do you remember and again, I know we're talking about
a very long time ago, but do you remember approximately
when you met him? Maxwell? I could have met Leon
not really, so I might have met him. Nothing to
do because Leon Black is a very good friend with
other friends of mine of course he is. I would
have met him, when I say socially, I might have
(05:46):
met him. How Leon and Epstein became really good friends,
I don't. I'm not sure. And what's wild is that
Leon Black's son is part of the Trump administration, Blanche.
But not through you, as far as you recall, Maxwell, No,
not through me, as far as I know. In fact,
I'm sure that's not through me, Blanche. Do you know
(06:07):
what kind of work mister Epstein was doing for mister
Black over the years, Maxwell, sam is what he did
for Wexner, Blanche. So we just talked about two individuals.
And again, I know we're talking about maybe a fifteen
year time period or even longer. How many clients like
that did mister Epstein have, Glenn Maxwell? But why I
(06:27):
don't I just give you the names that I remember?
And that's Blanche? Say it again, Maxwell, Why won't I
just give you the names? Blanche? Yeah? Maxwell, so you
want the names, Blanche, He's sure, go ahead, Glenn Maxwell,
Elizabeth Johnson, Johnson and Johnson. And we know that Jeffrey
Epstein also purchased a Skechalet in veil from the Johnson family,
(06:52):
And honestly, it doesn't shock me. The Johnson family has
been up to no good for a very long time, Blan.
Which when did as far as you know, when did
the relationship between miss Johnson and mister Epstein start? I
don't the nineties, ninety five, ninety six, Blanche. So during
the time period Maxwell, yes we're talking nineties, We're talking
(07:15):
when I was there, When I was around Blanche, And
how did the relationship start Maxwell, I don't know how
he became friendly and where he ended up managing her money.
I wasn't there. I mean, he really had a separate life.
We really had separate lives. So what's funny here is
you have the administration in people coming out saying, oh well,
Maxwell said nothing happened, and then out of the other
(07:37):
side of her mouth, she's saying she wasn't even around,
So how does she know what happened? Just like I
told you from the very beginning, Glayn Maxwell was a manager.
Glayn Maxwell was not somebody on the inside making deals
and whipping work. And just like I predicted, Glean Maxwell
is not the Rosetta Stone that everybody thought she was
gonna be. Okay Maxwell, except where they sinked Blanche, But
(08:04):
it wasn't from Maxwell. It wasn't from me. Maxwell, No,
it was not Blanche. Okay. And what's your understanding of
what mister Epstein did for miss Johnson, Maxwell, same is
what he did for Wexner. And when I and you
have to understand, it went down in tiny details. So
I remember this, I remember this an actual memory. That
(08:25):
he would make the contracts for the maids for the
people who worked in their homes, Blanche. So he would
assist his clients at times with you're saying, with even
small things like contractual relations, Maxwell, he said, no detail
was too small because everything that affected how they lived
and how they managed their life was something that he
(08:45):
felt was if they want it, would be responsible for
to make sure that the contract so that if you
had to fire someone it wouldn't come back to sue you,
or if that you sort of Blanche cuts her off. Okay.
So mister Black, mister Werner, Wexner, he doesn't even know
the names. This is what I'm talking about, Todd. Blanche
(09:05):
is a fool. This dude's a patsy that was sent
here to try and run cover for the administration. And
if you don't want to believe that that's on you.
If you want to buy into the myth that the
administration actually cares and they're trying to be transparent. Cool,
go ahead, but you're gonna be the one who looks
stupid later on down the road when the dominoes all fall.
(09:27):
Blanche knows someone named Jess Staley. Maxwell. Yes, I do
know Jess, Blanche. Who's that Maxwell? He was at Morgan
Stanley and at Barclay's. Blanche. What do you do whether
he and mister Epstein had a relationship Maxwell, Well, not
a physical one, Blanche, Well, Marcus, a business one, Blanche.
(09:48):
I didn't suggest Maxwell, Sorry, I just Blanche, No, I'm
saying a relationship in the broadest sense of the word
business personal Maxwell, yes, Blanche okay? Maxwell, yes to both
Blanche okay. And do you know when they met? Maxwell? No,
I don't know when they met, but you can time it. Well,
I don't know that you can. No, I don't know, Blanche. So,
(10:14):
but what was the nature of their relationship As far
as you know, Maxwell, I think they were friends, and
I think there were business partners, well partners too strong
of a word, but they were. They did business together, Blanche.
So did you again, I want to stay focused on
the time where you were the most involved in his life.
So Maxwell the nineties, Todd Blanche the early nineties through
(10:36):
the early two thousands. Maxwell in the beginning of the
two thousands. Yes, Todd Blanche. So we talked about four people.
So Maxwell, there's more, Blanche, There're more, okay, Maxwell? Oh, yes,
there were more. There was a lady whose name I
can't remember. Can I get my book? Maybe I wrote
them down, Blanche. Sure, Maxwell. Epstein wouldn't let me meet
(11:01):
his clients. Blanche, what book are you using? What is that? Maxwell?
I wrote some notes for the meeting, Blanche? Okay, great, Okay, Maxwell?
Is that alright? Blanche? No, that's fine. I was just
curious what you were looking at. Maxwell. Oh, okay, Marcus.
Not the birthday book. Maxwell, it's not the birthday book. No,
we're going to come to that, I'm sure, Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell,
(11:23):
all right. I wrote down some names because I tried
to make I just want you to understand my memory
is not as good as it was because when I
was in Brooklyn, I was in the shoe for almost
two years, and I was on suicide watch for almost
two years, which meant that they woke me up every
fifteen minutes for the entire time, and it's really did
affect my ability to Blanche cuts her off, understand, Glenn Maxwell, Okay,
(11:48):
Oh my god, this is such a joke. How could
anybody read this and not be disgusted. It's like a
homie sitting down with his friend in the backyard, catching
up after a few years being a Blanche. So you've
taken some notes in anticipation, Maxwell, I just made some
names in advance for this, Blanche. Yeah, okay, So go ahead, Maxwell,
(12:09):
and you're happy to look at them as well if
you want, no, go ahead, Maxwell? Okay, Well, funny you
say first two names. One is Wexner, two is Dalley,
three is Leon Black Blanche okay, Maxwell, Glen Duben was
a client Todd Blanche, who's that? Bro? Doesn't even know
who Glenn Duben is a guy that was credibly accused
(12:30):
of taking part of the abuse. Has no idea who
he is, huh, Glenn, Maxwell Eva Dubin's husband, Blanche. Okay,
what was there? I mean, if you can, do you
know about that relationship and when it started Maxwell, whenever,
well wouldn't have been before they got married, for sure,
So if you're going to start, you're going to date
(12:50):
that from wherever that was. And then Epstein was heavily
involved with Highbridge Capital and the financing or selling of
Highbridge to JP Morgan. Blanche, Okay, go ahead, you have
a dubin yep Maxwell, Okay, you're only looking for clients,
So all right, there is a woman, well he there's
a woman in Ohio. I just can't think of her name,
but I tried to remember it yesterday and I can't.
(13:13):
David Marcus. So this is a good thing, like you know,
as you think of things, write it down and if
they have any other names, they'll ask you, but you
Maxwell cuts her off. Blanche, Yeah, just Marcus, don't force it.
So you'll have time to think about this, especially today,
this afternoon overnight client Maxwell okay, because she hasn't had
(13:34):
time to think about this previously what she been doing
in that jail cell besides complaining Marcus. Because we'll probably
meet tomorrow. Maxwell. But you can find them. I mean,
if you basically find a billionaire female Blanche, So the
woman in Ohio who's wealthy that you worked with, Maxwell,
and well, you can identify yourself because she has the
(13:56):
largest client painting that was huge. So you can find
her because it'll be in a museum, Blanche, okay, Glenn Maxwell,
So that's her, Todd Blanche, and so he that was
one of mister Epstein's clients. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, she was
one of mister Epstein's clients as well. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, Okay?
(14:17):
Who else? Maxwell? Well, I think that there was other
people that would like assist. I know that he helped
Lynn Forrester, who became Lynn the Rothschild. She'll deny it,
and she has, but she can't Todd, Blanche. And when
you say help, the help in business or what help? Maxwell? Well,
so I have no idea what he did for I
(14:39):
know he helped her financially. Her husband was the controller
of New York. So I don't Again, I'm not inside
his business, but he would have this notion that he
blackmailed men or we don't really have to go there,
that he wasn't a businessman, and that everything he did
was a fraud or a funk or I don't believe
(15:01):
that to be true, Blanche? Why? Maxwell? Sorry, Blanche, why
do you say that you don't believe it to be true?
But show me why you think that Maxwell. Okay, Blanche,
just from I know you've been talking about it, that
he was very he was very conscientious, he was very
good at math. He took paid a lot of attention
(15:21):
to his clients. But yes, you're right, there's allegations of
blackmail or also that there was some level of fraud
involved in what he did, and you don't believe it.
Why do you say that, Maxwell, Well, let me rephrase that.
If there was fraud, I never saw it. Well, you
just told us you weren't part of the business, So
why would you see the fraud. The only fraud that
I see here is this whole entire fucking process. When
(15:45):
I saw or what I felt when his when I
ran the office, I mean ran, I didn't. I was
responsible for the staff, people work. There were lawyers, there
were accountants. I never heard them. I never felt anything.
I don't know, Icky Marcus, did you ever see him
blackmail a Maxwell? Never Marcus a client? Maxwell? No, Marcus,
(16:07):
did you ever see him blackmail a friend or an acquaintance? Maxwell?
No Marcus. Okay, all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
right here, and in the next episode we're gonna pick
up where we left off with this ridiculous nonsense. All
of the information that goes with this episode can be
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
(16:31):
we're picking up where we left off with a Glenn
Maxwell deposition given to the DOJ. Blanche. Well, so, I
think when folks talk about blackmail, and we can talk
about sorry about that, Maxwell, we can talk about that now.
There are a lot of allegations about him, which well,
which we should talk about, and we can do that now.
(16:54):
And the fact that he abused young women Maxwell, yes, Blanche,
full stop, Okay, which means the way that I'm the
finding abuse, as has been widely reported, is that he
would cause young girls, young women in high school to
be recruited to come to his house and give them
a massage, young women, children, bro underage girls, and as
(17:17):
part of and as part of that, he would sexually
abuse them. Okay, Maxwell, yes, Blanche. So I want to
talk about that, But as it relates to blackmail, the
question is whether you're aware of any time that any
of the individuals we're talking about, and we'll talk about
others receive massages from women who are under eighteen or
(17:38):
may have been under eighteen, and that whether there was
any sexual assaults or sexual contact between any of these
people and those messuses, which would have allowed then mister
Epstein potentially to blackmail them and say you have to
continue to work for me, or you have to give
me money, or else I'm going to tell the world
what you did. You know, this dumb fuck Todd Blanche,
(18:00):
which has no idea what he's talking about massuses. If
a fifteen year old girl from Palm Beach High School
is considered a massuse, then I'm considered a fucking cosmonaut. Maxwell, Right,
I think this is a really good place to start
with how that story began, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell's so even
let's assume that that premise is correct, that he was
(18:21):
doing that and he was going to tell everybody going
to say, oh, you know, you had inappropriate relations with
an underage girl if you don't have a video or
a photograph, photographic evidence, because I'm not sure that even
the FBI would take that, well maybe today, but certainly
not back then, would take that seriously. So you have
to have something to say, Hey, you know, look, I've
(18:42):
got this video of you doing terrible things and you
need to blah blah blah. So I built those houses,
many of them. I decorated those houses. I put the
electricians in for the wiring. I never wired nor saw
a single house that had any type of inappropriate let's say,
video surveillance. I'll find that for you. Inappropriate surveillance would
mean in a bathroom, in a bedroom, in any private
(19:05):
area of a home. So Glenne, Maxwell's telling the truth
and everybody else is lying. Huh Okay, I guess Todd
Blanche in a room where there were massages given Maxwell, inappropriate,
I would say, I would define an appropriate surveillance would
be the front door of the house, or potentially in
seventy first Street, the physical plant. Anywhere else would be grotesque, Blanche.
(19:28):
So I just want to come back to I know
I'm just hopefully stating the obvious. But when you say
the house is you're talking about New York, Maxwell, yes,
the Brownstone, Yes, you're talking about the island in the Caribbean. Maxwell. Yes,
you're talking about the residence in Palm Beach Maxwell, yes,
Todd Blanche. And you're talking about the ranch in New Mexico. Maxwell, Yes,
(19:51):
Todd Blanche anywhere else Maxwell, Paris, Blanche, and in Paris,
and so Maxwell cuts them off. And the plane, I
saw some ridiculous thing with the plane, Blanche and the plane, Okay, Maxwell,
that's what we're doing. Yes, I didn't, Blanche. So Maxwell
cuts them off. I didn't hire any electrician on the plane. Okay, Blanche,
(20:13):
so unequivocally, unequivocally from what you know, and you only
know what you know, Maxwell, I only know what I know, Blanche.
But from what you know, you do not believe a
camera exists, or a video camera or a camera that
takes pictures inside any of his residences. Maxwell, correct, This
whole entire thing's a joke, and I almost don't even
want to go through it. Honestly, she's trying to rewrite
(20:36):
the story, and this boob Todd Blanche is actually letting
her get away with it. Then again, that's the whole
point of this whole entire thing, right, give them a
cover story and make a look like this thing is
over and done with Blanche. So, even the appropriate cameras
that you just talked about, which would be kind of
exterior security cameras, did you know whether there was any
(20:58):
camera that you're aware of inside of that location. Maxwell,
Never with one exception, Blanche, Okay, what's the exception? Maxwell?
The exception is pom Beach. Blanche, Okay. Maxwell. And the
reason so on pom Beach, Epstein was having money stolen.
He noticed money was being stolen from his briefcase, call
it his briefcase, and he called in the pom Beach
(21:20):
police and they, the pom Beach Police installed cameras on
where he kept his briefcase. Blanche, where was that? Do
you remember? Maxwell? At his desk in the house on
the ground floor, he had a desk sort of in
the corner. There was that camera. I think there was
another camera. I think there were two or maybe three cameras,
I believe only on the ground floor wherever he may
(21:41):
have had maybe he had another office in the cabana,
there may have been a camera there, Blanche. When was
this I'm not looking for exact dates, but the time
period are you talking about when you say this, Maxwell,
two thousand and three. I think I can date it
for you precisely. Actually, two thousand and three, pretty I'm
on that date, Blanche. So Maxwell interrupts them, and I
(22:04):
can be firm because John Alessi. The butler was fired
in the end of two thousand and two, and he
was the thief. Blanche. So, aside from law enforcement installing
a camera to try to catch somebody stealing money from
mister Epstein, you're not aware of any cameras at the island. No, sorry,
you're just so we record it because Maxwell. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Blanche. No,
(22:26):
that's okay, you are not in your head. No, so
what about Maxwell interrupts. No cameras anywhere outside of possibly
things that would I would consider myself, I would consider normal.
So the garage, Gay, it's something like that, a front door, Blanche,
outside like security cameras, Maxwell, security cameras. Well. I can
tell you for a fact that Zoro Ranch had cameras
(22:48):
everywhere on the outside. When I went to Zoro Ranch
in twenty eight twenty, they had more cameras on this
property than Red China has. In the workplace, everywhere you
look there was a camera, And according to people that
worked on the property, people who went to the property,
the whole entire place was wired up. So here's what
it comes down to. Do you believe Glenn Maxwell or
(23:11):
do you believe the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. That's really
what it comes down to. And I think that's a
litmus test because if you believe anything this woman saying,
I would guess that you're suffering from CTE because there's
no other explanation. Maxwell. And there were cameras inside the
seventy first Street that did the plant, the physical plant,
(23:32):
because it was a commercial building, so you had the
whole that's a real thing there. It's a commercial building.
And there were there was one camera on the front door,
internal from the internal that did the front door, as
I recall, but there were no other cameras inside the house. Blanche.
Did you ever, how about photographs? Did you ever observe
mister Epstein or anybody around them take pictures of anybody
(23:54):
in compromising positions with women or with or with anybody,
Glenn Maxwell, no Blanche, did you ever hear when you
were present four conversations that mister Epstein was having or
others were having, anybody accused them of blackmailing them or
trying to extort them because of something mister Epstein knew, Maxwell,
no Blanche, there have been and you you in the
(24:17):
discovery you got in the New York case okay, Maxwell, Yes,
And in the civil cases that you've been part of, Maxwell, yes,
associated with mister Epstein, have you ever been given or
ever given or told that video exists like what we're
talking about, or photos were taken that were compromising? Claim Maxwell.
In both of those, I never received no pictures or
(24:39):
anything from a civil case, Blanche, Uh huh, Maxwell. But
in the criminal case, I received videos of Epstein talking
to women and stuff like that. I did get those.
I also saw binders photographs of women, and I never
saw any well, I don't know. I don't know how
old some of those women were. There were definitely some
of the victims from Palm Beach photographs of them without clothing, Blanche,
(25:04):
And in that in those photographs were the victims that
were photographed? Were there any of the people you've talked about,
like were the men with the victims or were they
just photographs of the victims? Maxwell, There was no men
with these pictures. There was no client of his with
those pictures. They would be standalone, for want of a
better word, like modeling shots if you were I don't know,
(25:26):
Marcus pictures with Epstein had with girls, but not Epstein
with the clients and the girls. Maxwell, Correct, Blanche, did
you I understand you said you got those in discovery.
Did you know those pictures, pictures like that existed so
right now talking about photographs of victims or photographs of
women that mister Epstein had it on his computer or
(25:48):
wherever he had them, did you know that those photos
existed before you got them in discovery? Maxwell? Some of them, absolutely,
because they were in his house. Some of these pictures
were on his you know, Credenza or whatever. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
some pictures I've simply never seen before. I mean there
was I had never seen some of them. Some of
them I had, some of them I hadn't. I mean, Blanche,
(26:11):
did you? So You're right? And I accept that having
video or photographs of somebody famous or powerful in a
compromising position would be good blackmail, but so separate putting
aside what you've said about the fact that you don't
know of any existence of those. Did you observe over
the years the folks were talking about or others which
(26:32):
we can talk about getting massages from young women, Glenn Maxwell,
I just I think it's really helpful to understand a
few things that has been missed in this whole michigus,
whatever the fuck that means. So what she's trying to
do here is she's trying to smooth it over, and
Blanche is letting her do it. If you haven't noticed yet,
Marcus and Maxwell are the ones running the debt position. Marcus,
(26:56):
that's the technical term, Blanche, I'll look it up later.
Go ahead, Maxwell. I thought about this obviously a lot,
and I've given it Blanche yep some this benefit benefit
of what I saw and some benefit of what now
I think. So, just for clarity's sake, I just want
to say for the record that I do believe Epstein
(27:16):
did a lot, not all, but some of what he's
accused of, and I'm not here to defend him in
any respect whatsoever. Well, that's exactly what you're doing. I
don't want to, and I don't think he requires or
deserves any type of protection from me in any way
to sugarcoat what he did or didn't do. So there's that. However,
the man I met and the man he became, I
(27:38):
believe that there is a lot of progression, and I
don't think that the man I met is the man
that he became. I believe he became that man over
a period of time. Now we can discuss anything you want,
and I'll tell you everything I know. But I think
somebody who has an interest, however you define that in
underage people, is obviously someone who is unwell. But I
(27:59):
don't think that you wake up one day and you
start doing what he's accused of. I think this is
something that you develop or you progress to. I think
that because Marcus Golaine. Before you go into all that,
let's answer the top line question and get into that. Maxwell. Okay,
the top line question is did you ever see any
of these people with underage women? And what David Marcus
(28:21):
is doing here is redirecting her, so he gets to
the point that he's trying to make run cover for
the administration, run cover for the DOJ, and justify their
decision to talk to Maxwell. But this is going to
blow up in their face because the thing she's saying
in this transcript, a lot of them are verifiably untrue.
(28:42):
The problem is the people that are doing the deposition
have zero idea what they're talking about. They don't even
know the basic story, so that they don't know where
to dig, they don't know where to push they don't
know where to pull. What they're doing is letting Glaine
Maxwell just spit a bunch of bullshit. No. So the
reason I'm saying that is not not to avoid that question,
(29:03):
but it's because by the time when you are talking
in the nineties, I don't think he was there. There's
that description. I think that this what you're talking about
is a later version, Blanche. Yeah, and Maxwell does that?
Is that? Blanche? No, I understand that, and I do
want to talk about that, Maxwell. So it's just I
(29:23):
think you need to separate the periods of time, Blanche. Sure, Maxwell,
because one of the things that was definitely missing in
my trial and definitely missing from the narrative is this
notion that everything happened and he was always But no,
I don't believe that to be true. Oh yeah, he
was just you know, a normal guy, right, and he
(29:45):
just became sick and twisted. Stop the cat, Maxwell. We
all know what you did to Virginia. We all know
what you did to Maria Farmer, and we all know
what you did to Annie, we all know what you
did to Carolyn. Shut your fucking mouth, and anybody out
here carrying water for Glen Maxwell, come get that smoke.
I'm not hard to find, Blanche. So I mean that
(30:06):
that that's fine, and I do want to talk about that.
I'm not pushing that away. I'm just putting it aside
for the moment. What mister Epstein did, and frankly, what
you did or are accused of doing, is one thing
that I that will talk about. But right now, what
I want to understand is whether one of the ways
that mister Epstein befriended his clients or took care of them,
(30:28):
or some would say Black Melbom was by encouraging them
to have interactions with women under age or not that
you're accused of She is a convicted child molester. Mister Blanche,
What the fuck are you even talking about right now? So,
I think in the nineties he may have encouraged them,
but these were people who were in their twenties or thirties, Blanche,
(30:49):
So I understand that Maxwell may have. He would have messuses, right,
and he did male and female by the way, in
the nineties that have never been discussed. Both in yoga
and everything, there was men as well as women. Yeah,
you mean like Gypsy Agita, the massage therapist that led
Chante Davies into the belly of the beast, that's what
you mean. And so if you would travel and I
(31:12):
can show them to you. I highlighted them on the
flight record so you could see that there really were
men that were also there. He would say, like do
yoga with Tito, or would be like a massage with
this one, but they would be in their late twenties
and professional massuses, Blanche so, Maxwell So, I think there's
a distinction. Blanche, and I want to talk about actual
(31:33):
individuals here, but I understand the distinction between somebody who's
an adult and someone who's underage. But even with somebody
who's an adult, did you know mister Epstein to encourage
folks to do that, whether it's a client or somebody else, Maxwell, So,
I certainly witnessed them. So if what you're saying with
him and you had a massage, he would often travel
(31:54):
with a massuse. He would say, hey, would you like
a massage? And he did do that, yes, Blanche, But
would you or him or anybody else follow up with
the messus afterwards to find out if there was any
inappropriate sexual contact? Maxwell, I never did know, Blanche So, meaning,
And then coming back to the blackmail issue. Maxwell, Yeah, Blanche,
(32:15):
there is nothing wrong with getting a massage, of course,
not especially you know, especially if somebody is obviously an
adult a massuse. I'm not quiddling with that. But my
question is that there's a lot of accusations that one
way mister Maxwell, mister Maxwell, I'm sorry, mister Epstein was
successful was through this idea of blackmail. Maxwell, I never, Blanche,
(32:37):
interrupts her, And yes, young women is a crime. Children
are a crime, Maxwell, Absolutely, Blanche, But even women over
the age of eighteen. If mister Epstein encouraged these men
or women to get massages and have inappropriate sexual contact
with the masseuse, that's a separate issue, maybe slightly nuanced.
But did you ever know him to do that? Maxwell? No,
(33:00):
I never did, absolutely myself. I never heard him ask someone.
I never heard that. I never no one in the
entire time I was with him, or friends with them,
or had anyone. No one ever reported to me or
came to me and said that anything inappropriate happened or
was upset by. I never saw a tear. I never
saw any of that, Blanche. And when you say no
(33:22):
one reported to me, meaning the messuses, Maxwell never Blanche,
or anyone at the house staff, Maxwell never, Marcus, or
the clients, Blanche or the clients themselves, Maxwell never, All right,
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
episode we'll pick up with this bullshit where we left off.
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