December 29, 2025 • 40 mins
On August 22, 2025, the U.S. Department of Justice released redacted transcripts and audio recordings of a two-day interview it conducted in July with Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring. During the interview, Maxwell denied ever seeing any inappropriate behavior by former President Donald Trump, describing him as a “gentleman in all respects,” and insisted she “never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.” She also rejected the existence of a so-called “client list,” countering years of speculation, and claimed to have no knowledge of blackmail or illicit recordings tied to Epstein.
In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
source:
Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with a bullshit ass transcript from
Glen Maxwell and the DOJ Todd Blanche. Okay, So let's
I want to stay and coming back now to what
we were talking about a moment ago with mister Epstein's
(00:20):
kind of progression or getting worse. So just staying within
the nineties, what role, what role did you have or
what did you observe which are two different issues but
both important with respect to recruiting messuses to come to
either I guess Palm Beach or to travel or eventually
New Mexico. What role do you have in that? Maxwell?
(00:41):
He asked me to find massuses for him. Blanche, say
it again, Maxwell, He asked me if I could find
massuses for him. Blanche, okay, like part of like said
you were his general manager as part of your duties,
that was one of them, Maxwell, and I did do that.
So the first person I believe that I introduced him
to was a missus somebody called redacted. She was I
(01:03):
don't know, mid late twenties professional messuse Blanche. And was
this something that happened early on in your relationship or again,
I know we're talking about the nineties, or are we
talking about early nineties or is this later on? Maxwells So,
in terms of massage, I have a lot of injuries.
I do a lot of dangerous sports, and I've had
(01:23):
multiple serious accidents and walk without any lameness because of
physical therapy and massages. That to me is a very
it's medicinal for me. So Epstein, whatever his massage situation, whatever,
he loved massage. And if I met somebody who I
thought was a good masseuse or a massaur, I introduced
them and he became because I got them. And he
(01:47):
asked me if I did that, and I said, yes,
I'm pretty sure that. Well I don't remember ninety three,
ninety two from the beginning, Blanche, So go ahead. So
then what happens over the next you know, like there's
been there's been a ton of writing and a ton
of I guess testimony as well, but also public reporting
about how the recruiting was a very aggressive effort that
(02:09):
you were a part of, that he was part of
and others to try and find more and more messuses.
What is that? Is that true? What role did you
play in that, Maxwell, Well, that's partially true, okay, Maxwell,
So it's true that I found massuses and he became
more insistent. He liked new all the time he got bored,
(02:29):
so he'd be bored with the massus and he would say,
find me a new massuse. I'm the entire opposite. If
I find someone that I like, I stay with them.
I'm like, I don't want new. He would drive for new.
So that's true. And in my effort to find them,
I would go to massage spas, like legitimate spas, not
we're talking you know, funky ones that people have. So
(02:52):
if I got a massage from somebody in a spa
I liked, I asked them if they would do home visits.
If they said yes, I would ask him to come
to the house and he would see if he liked
them or not. But these were people who worked in spas.
I never ever checked their age, and I never checked
their credentials. I never asked for a certificate, Blanche what Marcus.
(03:14):
But just to be clear, you never thought anybody was
under eighteen, Maxwell, I never know. That was never. That
was never my drive. What are you in prison for?
Right now? You stupid ass. Who's this fucking Skuffouza and
the scumbag Marcus trying to rewrite this story. It's not
gonna happen. Keep in mind that gland Maxwell used to
talk about going out and finding new biles for Jeffrey Epstein.
(03:37):
Keep that in mind. Maxwell, I never that was never.
That was never my drive. Blanche. What did you know
at the time about him, mister Epstein requiring messuses to
be naked, or requiring messuses to either perform sexual favors
for mister Ebstein, or that to be there if mister
Epstein masturbated, or things like that. And again, I'm asking
(04:00):
you about fifteen year period or whatever, ten year period,
so I appreciate it's a very broad question. Is this
guy for real? Why don't you just go give Glenn
Maxwell a nice hug and slipper some tongue, you fucking goof.
So answer it in a way that you, you know,
addresses what you've been charged with doing, but also what's
been said about you, not charged, convicted, You fuck an asshole?
(04:24):
Holy shit, is this what the Trump administration thinks about justice?
What a joke? Bro? How can anyone sit here and
read this and not be offended. Maxwell, Okay, So I
don't the nineties. I don't think that I ever thought
that would never cross my mind. I'm not sure that
I thought about that in those contexts at all until
(04:46):
it's arrest and those papers came out. But I believe
the subject of the question that you're asking me, I
believe started in the two thousands, Blanche, in the two
thousand time period. Maxwell, Yeah, two thousand, Blanche. Why do
you think two thousand, Blanche? Like? What what in your
mind makes you think that there's a time that it started. Maxwell,
(05:07):
I think because in December of two thousand and one
he met redacted, and I think redacted was responsible for
that in its entirety. And the reason I believe that
so this she was a self confess to having been
sexually abused as a young girl and was trained her
words I'm quoting now, not mine, in all arts or whatever,
that is the sex program by a man called Ron Eppinger,
(05:29):
who was her pimp from when she was fourteen I believe,
or fifteen, I don't know, and in her book describes
him training her to be what every man wants in
all its manners, fillatio and everything else. I believe that
then what happened was that he met her and she
came as a messuse to his house in December of
two thousand and one, is when I think it started.
(05:49):
You think you're the one who brought her there, you
fucking disgusting ghoul. Now what their relationship was or what
happened with him in that early period of time, I
cannot say. What I can say is that he liked
her and she started to travel with him, and during
that time period, I believe I know then what happened
was that she when she first started to see him,
(06:11):
or first came into his orbit as his massuse or whatever,
she was engaged to be married and wearing an engagement
ring and was living with her fiance. She broke up
after a few months with her fiance and took up
with the local drug dealer. So let's say after four
or five months of in the time period when she
was seeing Epstein. Let's say we're now May June of
(06:32):
two thousand and two or two thousand. I can't remember.
From whenever she hints the whatever that is if that's
two thousand, I think it's two thousand. I'm sorry, I
think it's when she met him December of two thousand.
You mean when you brought her there, you fucking disgusting animal.
So she's perjuring herself right here. She's lying through her teeth.
Nobody's gonna do anything about it. And what they're going
(06:54):
to tell you to do is take a bite of
that shit sandwich and enjoy it, Blanche. Okay, I'm not
holding you to exact day, Maxwell, No, I mean, I'm
just trying. I'm giving Blanche. I appreciate it, Maxwell. So
then I think, so she takes up with the local
drug dealer, and she becomes druggy druggy like you know
how druggies, Well maybe you don't. I live with a
lot in Tallahassee. They become even more unreliable than normal.
(07:17):
And at some point she's now working somewhere else. He
stops seeing her because he doesn't like people who do drugs.
And I think that not seeing her lasted five or
six months, and in that period of time, she got
arrested for theft, and she had a warrant out for
her arrest. Now this I've pieced together, because this piece
I didn't know. She then called Epstein to have help
avoiding the warrant for her arrest, and he sent her
(07:40):
to Thailand to get a massage therapy license. This is
the bit that I guess. This is the bit that
I extrapolated. Yo, this is unconscionable. Glenn Maxwell's the lady
who walked Virginia into the jaws of the beast and
then to sit here and act like she has no
idea what's going on, and to be allowed to get
away with it, that is fucking unbelievable. And it tells
(08:03):
you everything you need to know about the DOJ, Lame Ass,
Pam Bondi, Cash, Bitch Ass Bettel, Dan Faker, Bongino, and
Donnie Diddles. Tells you everything you need to know about
all of them. In the period of time from when
she came back to when she left, he asked her
to replace herself as his messuse or whatever whatever she
(08:25):
was doing, and she brought the first replacement for her
that would have been one of the accusers in my case,
I think would have been redacted that and then everyone
who came subsequent to redacted or simultaneously. If she wasn't
the first, I don't know every single person who came
to his house came through redacted and her boyfriend Tony
(08:45):
and then whoever else underneath her, And that's how it started.
Blanche So before her Lea Safian Tony Figueroa, Maxwell, Tony
Figueroa is her boyfriend? No mention if Sarah Kellen Vickers though, right?
And Yo, the sin in me wants to say that
all of this is happening because Virginia is gone. If
she wasn't gone, do you think they'd have the courage
(09:06):
or the audacity to throw shit on her name like this?
Blanche before her? So now, going back in the nineties,
you don't believe that mister Epstein was abusing messuses Marcus
underage or over age. I mean, I think, well, I'm
using abuse in the broad sense of the word because
I'm assuming that you you said that you have no
idea of the year. You always assume that messuses were
(09:29):
over age, right Maxwell, I did. So you went and
got Virginia Roberts from mar A Lago. Knew she was
not of age, and now you're going to make pretend
that she was. This is the same shit Maxwell got
nailed bit with for perjury during the deposition. But sure,
go ahead, bang out, Blanche So when I'm talking about abuse,
(09:50):
even talking about an adult messuse who comes in to
give a massage and is told to take off their clothes,
told they're not going to get paid if they don't
take off their clothes. Basic suggested they had to watch
a masturbate, like the things that have been publicly said
about what he did. Maxwell, I'm not, Blanche. For now,
I'm not distinguishing adults or young or underage women. I'm
(10:12):
saying abuse. Maxwell. I'm going to think about that, and
that would be a habit, Blanche. Okay, I'm going to
say that the massage game was a habit, And I think, Marcus,
what does that mean? Maxwell? That means that I'm sure
that he didn't suddenly start having relationships with messuses in
two thousand and two. Okay, So in other words, what
(10:33):
she said about Virginia just now throw it out the
fucking window. What an absolute clown, Maxwell. I'm sure he
must have had relations with messuses. Who knows when, Blanche.
But you're saying, as far as you I use the
word abuse, you're saying that, as far as you sit
here today, you would describe that as more consensual, meaning
the massuses did those did those things willingly. Maxwell. I
(10:55):
saw him with a lot of messuses. I never saw
a single massuse ever look on happy or not come
back or whatever. So based on my observation, I don't
think that if you're being raped as now he's like
this prolific, I just can't imagine why you would return.
She's still covering for him, she has no remorse, nothing,
but yet she gets hooked up. This is your justice department, folks,
(11:20):
this is the people that are gonna blow the doors
off transparency. These are the same people that cry about
hot dogs and pizza, the same people who told you
that motherfuckers were stashed away in basements, the same people
that were talking about Wayfair trafficking children in their furniture.
But now Glen Maxwell is the arbiter of truth and
(11:40):
everybody should just suck it down. Well, I have news
for you, and I have news for them. Fuck that,
no chance not gonna happen. And in fact, after reading
this deposition, I'm one hundred percent convinced that there's a
cover up. One hundred percent convinced, Blanche. That's not what
you have deserved at the time, Maxwell, not what I
(12:02):
observed at the time. No Blanche, We're going to spend
a little We're going to spend more time on this
issue because I think it's important. But just going back
to kind of the question that I started with in
this area, which is that it ties into the blackmail issue.
So we talked about people that were his clients, and
you've mentioned President Clinton and early on. Maxwell, Oh, I
(12:25):
never said he was a client. Got to protect your boy, right.
I never said he was a client, Blanche. I did
not say you said. I'm saying that when you talked
about his clients Maxwell, right, Blanche, Yeah, and he puts
his clients off the side. Maxwell, okay, Blanche. And then
you mentioned some other people. You mentioned President Clinton, Glenn Maxwell. Yes,
(12:48):
all right. We're going to wrap up right here, and
in the next episode, we're going to pick up where
we left off. All of the information that goes with
this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
Glenn Maxwell's transcripts from her interview with the DJ. Blanche
(13:12):
and then you mentioned some other people you mentioned President Clinton? Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
you mentioned President Trump early on. Who were other famous politicians,
who were other individuals in mister Epstein's life during that
time period, So the early nineties, Maxwell, it was the nineties.
Let's just should we Blanche cuts her off, Yes, Maxwell, okay,
(13:36):
Congressman McMillan, Blanche, say it again, Maxwell McMillan, Blanche, okay, Maxwell,
Henry Rossowsky, who was the provost of Harvard hang on indiscernible, Blanche,
Sure you're looking at your your notes, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
go ahead. Maxwell, Joe Pagano, Jerry Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipp,
(14:00):
Dan Abramson. I don't know if in the nineties Tom Pritzker, Ace,
Jimmy Kine, Lou Raynieri. I mean there were And let's
go back to Tom Pritzker for a minute. He was
accused of sexual assault by Virginia Roberts. So when you
have this other Pritzker clown in Illinois up here talking nonsense,
keep that in mind, Todd, Blanche, what about the royal family? Maxwell, No,
(14:25):
he didn't know them in the nineties, Blanche. What about
Prince Andrew. Maxwell didn't know him in the nineties, Blanche.
When did Maxwell interrupt them? Well, is that right, Blanche,
I wouldn't know. I don't know, so I don't want
you to have to worry about exact dates. You're not
positive about that, but you don't have a specific recollection
(14:46):
of that being in the nineties. Maxwell, No, Well, Blanche
don't know anything. I'd be surprised if Blanche even knew
the basic story here. And I'm not even being facetious
when I say that, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, I can date
it for you, I think, but I can't give you
to that. She's interrupted by Blanche again. That's okay. I
(15:07):
think that's fine. So with respect to just and Will,
we'll just take a break in a minute to get
some food. But just with respect to mister, with respect
to individuals you just talked about, so again, focus in
on the nineties and so the people that I'm talking
about right now, and we might add some names later.
So we're talking about the clients that he worked with,
(15:28):
which you've mentioned several of and I know that that
wasn't exhaustive, but you mentioned several of them, and then
kind of what I called famous friends, the prominent individuals
that were in his life in the nineties. Does any
of that stick out in your mind as having received massages. Maxwell.
Henry Rozowski received a massage, Blanche, And why does that
(15:51):
stick out in your memory? Maxwell? Because I saw him
in a bathrobe at seventy first Street and he had
received a massage. He told me, Blanche, do you know
that was the masseuse was naked during the massage? Maxwell?
I wouldn't have any idea, Blanche. Do you know whether
he Maxwell? I doubt it. He was like in his eighties, Blanche,
(16:11):
say it again, Maxwell, I doubt it. He was like
in his eighties. So because you're in your eighties doesn't
mean you don't want to get your weasel greased. I
don't understand what that even means, Blanche. Okay, so do
you notwithstanding his age, Maxwell Minsky, Sorry, Blanche said that again?
Maxwell Minsky was another person, Blanche. Do you know whether,
(16:34):
for example, President Clinton ever received a massage? He goes
right to Clinton. Really, that's who you go to. Maxwell.
I don't believe he did. Well, that's a lie. He did,
Schantay Davies. Let's keep it moving, Todd, Blanche And what
makes you say you don't believe he did? Maxwell? Well?
Because I don't so that's a good question. The time
that Epstein and President Clinton sped together, the only times
(16:56):
I believe, well, obviously they traveled there was that you know,
the plane. They went on the plane twenty six times
or whatever. That would be one journey, so they spent
time on the plane together, and I don't believe there
was ever a massage on the plane. So that would
have been the only time that I think President Clinton
would have received a massage, and he didn't because I
was there. Hey, Todd, Blanche, I know you're out to
(17:18):
lunch and you're busy sniffin' Donald Trump's jock, but you
should probably ask her about the picture of Bill Clinton
getting a massage on that trip in the airport by
Chante Davies. Not speculation, not me guessing that actually happened. Blanche,
And you mentioned in the early the very beginning of
the conversation, you mentioned President Trump in the early nineties. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
(17:44):
what did you observe as far as President Trump and
his relationship with mister Epstein? Maxwell, Well, I just want
to say for my relationship with Trump, relationship's a big word,
but I just want to say that I met him,
or I believe I may have because of my father
in the nineties. Again she's lying. There's proof of them
all pallling around together. Blanche, yep, Okay, Maxwell, So my
(18:08):
father liked him very much, and he was loved, really
liked his wife as well, because we're both Czechoslovakian. As
far as I'm concerned, President Trump was always very cordial
and very kind to me. And I just want to
say that I find I admire his extraordinary achievement in
becoming the president. Now dann that noses brown as Look, Glaine,
(18:29):
how can you breathe with your nose in gulf so
deeply up the President's behind? And I like him and
I've always liked him. So that is the sum of
substance of my entire relationship with him. No wonder Trump
wished her well, Blanche. What about mister Epstein's relationship with him? Maxwell,
I don't know how they met, and I don't know
(18:49):
how they became friends. I certainly saw them together, and
I remember the few times I observed them together, but
they were friendly. I mean, they seem friendly. Maxwell. I
believe I only ever saw them in social settings. I
don't recall any private setting. Blanche, did you ever have
you ever been to mar A Lago and Palm Beach. Yeah,
that's where she got Virginia from. You dumb asshole, Glenn Maxwell.
(19:14):
I have Blanche, And what time period are you thinking
about when you say this? Maxwell, I don't remember when
the president purchased mar A Lago, so from whenever it
turned into the club, I went there. I love going there, Blanche.
Did you go there with mister Epstein or alone? Maxwell?
Mostly alone? To that she's cut off by Blanche. Do
(19:34):
you know where? And then she cuts off? Blanche? And
the times I went there, it was for an event,
maybe once or twice, Blanche. And do you know whether
mister Epstein ever went there? Maxwell? I believe he did,
but again we really he didn't take me with him
all the time, so we would go He never I never, Well,
he did from time to time, but he would go alone.
(19:57):
I think he would maybe go to himself to the SPA.
I certainly did, Blanche. Did you ever observe President Trump
receive a massage? Maxwell? Never? Blanche, did you ever observe?
You said that you were? I mean, have you seen
that there's photographs public photographs of mister Epstein and President
Trump together? Maxwell, yes, Blanche. And there's photographs of I
(20:20):
think you're in some of the photographs Maxwell, Yes, Blanche
as well. Those all appear to be social settings. Maxwell, yes, Blanche.
Do you to that he's cut off again by his
pal Glane Maxwell during her ted talk here. That's my memory.
They were social settings. I don't know Epstein if he
had whatever the nature of the President's friendship, if you will,
(20:41):
or however you wanted to find that with Epstein, I was.
I never witnessed. They were friendly like people are in
social settings. I don't think they were close friends or
I certainly never witnessed the president. I don't recall ever
seeing him in his house, for instance. I actually never
saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never,
and it's the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.
(21:03):
The President was never inappropriate with anybody in the times
that I was with him. He was a gentleman in
all respects. Well not according to Maria Farmer. And trust
me what I tell you, Maria Farmer is a lot
more credible than Glenn Maxwell. Blanche. When's the last time
you think you saw in person President Trump? Maxwell, It's
(21:25):
been a long time, probably sometime the beginning mid two thousands, maybe,
and it would only have been in a social setting
as far as I recall, Blanche. And did you ever
hear mister Epstein or anybody say that President Trump had
done anything inappropriate with messuses or with anybody in your world? Maxwell?
Absolutely never, in any context, Blanche, do you know whether
(21:47):
messus is from mar A Lagos, Spa ended up giving
massages to private massages to mister Epstein. I'm not asking
for what you may have read, but from at the time,
from your personal knowledge, do you know whether that's true? Maxwell?
I don't recall. Is it possible, Yes, but I don't remember.
I don't remember that, so I don't want to I
don't recall that, but it's possible, Blanche. Do you have
(22:11):
a recollection of ever recruiting a massuse from mar A Lagos,
Spa to go and give a private massage to mister Epstein. Maxwell,
I've never recruited a massus from mar A Lago for that,
as far as I can remember, I can't ever recollect
doing that. So she didn't go and find Virginia at
mar A Lago. How is todd, Blanche? She could just
(22:32):
sitting here and allowing her to rewrite history. I mean,
holy fucking shit, the fact that he's doing this should
terrify everybody. This isn't a deposition, this is a fireside
chat with You're a homie, Blanche, Okay, So I think
we should do Now, it's about twelve fifteen. We'll take
a break and we'll come back in a little bit.
(22:52):
Maxwell okay, Blanche okay. So they take their break, then
they come back at twelve fifty nine pm. Spencer Horn,
Good afternoon. We're continuing the recorded profer interview of miss Maxwell.
The time is twelve fifty nine Thursday, July twenty fourth,
with how close Todd, Blanche and Maxwell are. I bet
you they had one drink with two straws at lunch.
(23:14):
Blanche okay. So just to continue what we're talking about,
Miss Maxwell, still focused on the nineties time period, with
understanding that could spill over in the early two thousands,
but still that part of your life with mister Epstein.
There has been public reporting about conduct by mister Epstein
and others at Little Saint James Maxwell. Yes, Blanche, can
(23:35):
you talk about the frequency with which you went there
and address some of those some of the reporting namely
around young messus's or young women who would be present,
and that you observed Maxwell, yes, Blanche relating to them,
and then I'll ask the questions around that Maxwell. So
if I'm right, he purchased the island in ninety six,
and he was friendly with the owners and originally he
(23:56):
went to the island as a guest of the owners,
and then I guess at some point point the owners
told them they wanted to sell and he decided to
purchase it. So the island was very rustic. I loved it.
He of course had completely different ideas, and I would
say there was none of what you were describing at
the early period of time. Nothing happened Glenn Maxwell and
Jeffrey Epstein completely innocent, and all the survivors they're all liars.
(24:22):
So the frequency was was often, we're often on the
island because he loved it. He really really loved it,
and he would go all the time. Mostly all the
early phase was based on improvements that could be made
on the island, always going with new architects, new designers,
new construction people. I'd say the first two years, almost
every trip, not everyone, but almost every trip contained some
(24:44):
an individual who would be brought on board to have
an opinion as to how I don't want to use
the word improve the island, because I don't think you
could improve it. But I think that word would be
what's the word I'm looking for to develop it? Sorry,
that's the word, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, develop develop the island.
That's the word I'm looking for. So there were trips,
(25:04):
constant trips with that in mind. And I would say, now,
if we are moving to the late nineties or ninety
six ninety seven, I definitely witnessed a progression in mister
Epstein's behavior and a modification, if you will. Where in
the past, in the early nineties, I don't remember traveling
so much with other people. There would be a massuse
or a yoga person, but now he started to travel
(25:26):
with more always a massuse. Whereas in the past it
wasn't always a massuse or always an instructor. There was
now starting to always be an individual or a friend
or whatever. There's always like maybe the word would be entourage,
and there would always be people in their twenties, late twenties,
early thirties, as my memory sees it, as I observed
that time, and he tasked me with finding a local
(25:49):
masseuse for him in saying Thomas, because sometimes even though
I say he would always travel with an entourage, sometimes
he didn't and he wanted to have a massage locally.
This lady's just spitting words out, just saying all kinds
of nonsense. Whatever she thinks, that butt head Blanche wants
to hear. So I visited the spas that were local
(26:10):
in Saint Thomas and Saint John. If I met someone
a man or a woman actually, because it was difficult
to find somebody in Saint Thomas, it's not exactly you know.
So I did find a couple of people who would come.
So that's how they came. Because also it was a schlep,
so if you had somebody who came, it would be
you would have to you know, boat ride and several hours.
(26:30):
It wasn't just like arriving with your massage table and stuff.
So there was that. So I did that, Blanche. So
did over the years males also give massages to mister
Epstein Maxwell. Yes, I did say, I don't think at
the beginning definitely, and I would say towards sort of
again late nineties, I don't remember any men they were
at the beginning. I think that towards late nineties, I
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cannot think of any men. I think of women. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up this episode of Glenn Maxwell's time
talk with the Government right here, and in the next
episode talking about the topic, We're gonna pick up from
where we left off. All of the information that goes
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What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
the Glen Maxwell transcripts, or as I like to call it,
her ted talk with Todd Blanche. Blanche, did you, well
you talk about entourage flying right now, we're talking about
the island. Did you observe any sexual I was gonna
say misconduct, but any sexual any sex at all, whatsoever
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on the plane? Maxwell? Never on the plane, no, Blanche.
Was there a part of the plane that was closed
off from others where mister Epstein could go and get
a massage or whatever? Maxwell? Yeah, okay, so that's a
good question. So there were two planes, so you had
the Gulf Stream and that's open plane. So anything, I mean,
there was a sofa that turned into a bed, and
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he did on that and then but in the boeing
which he flew on a lot, his area could be
closed off with a door, and behind that door there
would be there was a bedroom and an office. So
if that door was shut, you wouldn't see it, Blanche.
But so if you never so, but you never observed
mister Epstein engaging in sex or getting a massage with
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somebody with whether the messuse was not clothed on the plane, Maxwell,
I can't say that I might have, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
I definitely might either both in the gulf stream or Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
I'm sure I did, but it's not I can't Blanche. No, No,
that's fair, Maxwell, Okay, I'm absolutely sure I did. I
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must have, because you know, he was so obsessed with
someone rubbing his feet or just when you ask me
about massages, I want to be clear. I generally think
of that as somebody on a massage table, but other
people might think of it as something different. You know,
you could have someone rubbing his feet or shoulder. I
saw that all the time that I did, but that's
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separate from being on a massage table. A massage is
a massage Glenn Maxwell, stop parsing words, Blanche again. I
know we're talking about a decade long period. But during
the period we're talking about, in a seven day week,
how often would you see mister Epstein get a massage?
In the nineties when we're talking, he would get one
every day. I think as the time progressed, he would
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get one maybe twice a day. I do want to
say that there was maybe a reason that things altered
or more if they're progressed, and it is maybe part
of the reason also that he and I our relationship.
Somebody wants to call it altered. He started doing testosterone
and it altered his character. And I believe that started
in the late nineties. And I believe that the FBI
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has his medical records, and you may see that on
his medical records. Yes, Blanche, So you believe that he
started taking testosterone in the nineties. And when you say
that altered his behavior, you're saying it made him get
more massages, or that he was just one part of
what changed about him. Maxwell, Well, he became more aggressive, Blanche,
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I see Maxwell, and I think that maybe, well, now
I'm just imagining that the testosterone altered his desires or something, Blanche.
And so when given what you've said in the past
couple hours about his kind of progression or change, let's
focus on that time period. So that's more towards the
late nineties Maxwell the testosterone. Yeah, okay, Blanche, So ninety six,
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ninety seven, ninety eight, you know, towards Maxwell cuts him off. Yeah,
Blanche cuts her off. When you've said that he changed,
did you know flat out that he was having sex
or otherwise some sort of sexual contact with messuses regularly.
Maxwell flatly out No. I denied that I couldn't imagine
that he would, but I think looking back now that
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I did not. But I started to suspect that he
was not faithful. Seems ludicrous, but that's what I thought. Oh,
poor Glaine Maxwell, the victim. Anyone who buys this once
again is a complete and utter moron, Blanche. But look,
if he's flying from Palm Beach to Saint Thomas, or
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if he's flying all over the country to New Mexico
or in New York, or even in Palm Beach, and
there's young women putting aside, whether they are under age
eighteen or in their twenties. Every day at the house,
multiple messuses, multiple massages on some days, you're interacting with
the messuses constantly. Maxwell, huh, Blanche. Or maybe that's not right, Maxwell,
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that's not right, Blanche. Let me take back what I
just said. Ignore that part, of course, Ignore that part
because it doesn't help Maxwell. Blanche, but you understand that
he's getting massages every day, sometimes multiple times a day
by the late nineties. It's all women. Presumably some of
them are new, but they're all repeat messuses. I mean,
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you had to know at that point that there was
something going on beyond just he really needed to get
a massage. Maxwell. Okay, so very fair question. There's two things.
The first is the person that he saw the most
at that period of time was in her forties Blanche.
Uh huh, Maxwell, And she was with them all the time.
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And I'm like married as well, Blanche. Yeah, And as
I'm square, and it never occurred, well, I don't believe
it occurred to me at the time that with this
woman he would be having relations. She's square. How about
the sex games? Maxwell, Yo, she's doing nothing but lying here,
And the fact that Todd Blanche is allowing it tells
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us everything we need to know about the motivations of
him and the Trump administration, and he was with her.
That was the person he had the most massages yoga
with at the time, in the nineties period. The second
thing is that he told me he had difficulty having
an erection, and I believed him, Blanche, when you said
he said that, you mean he regularly told you that,
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Maxwell when I first because when I didn't have sex
with him after the first time, so I asked him
was it me? And he told me it was him.
And I have never up until this moment in my
life as if I'm not stupid, I'm very bright. I've
had an excellent education, but I have never met or
understood that somebody could be would lie to me. It
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never occurred to me. Oh yeah, No, nobody ever lies
to you, Glenn Maxwell. That's because you're busy doing all
the lying like you're doing right now. I didn't have
a frame of context within my life experience where somebody
would be so manipulative and devious with me. And plus
I just didn't have and I was happy not to
have sex because I have a condition that doesn't lend
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itself to that. Oh everybody has a condition, huh. Epstein's
Pecker doesn't work. Prince Andrew doesn't sweat, Glenn Maxwell has
some shoes downstairs. She doesn't like sex. All of this
is a big mistake, Blanche. But when you learned so
fast forward just for a moment to the two thousand
and seven eight nine time period, and he's arrested and
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charged and there's all kinds of press around his purported contact.
At that point, at that point, did you accept that
it was true? Meaning, did it make sense at that
point when you were reading about women who claim that
they had been abused even under age. At that point,
did you think to yourself, well, geez, that makes sense
now that I think about it, or no? Maxwell, First
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of all, that I only read what was in the newspapers.
I didn't have any other thing. And I'm embarrassed to
say it. I didn't believe it. She might have said
that in past tense, but she doesn't believe it now either, Blanche. Okay, right,
I mean you didn't believe that the accusations were true
at the time, Maxwell, No, Blanche, So yeah, let's Maxwell
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cuts him off, and sorry, I need to say, even
if they were true, I believe that he was duped
and he didn't know that they were whatever that was
in the papers at the time, whether they said that
they were seventeen or it didn't register. Because to that,
Blanche cuts her off. Yeah, Maxwell, along with all those well,
not in two thousand and six, but later when the
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more salacious and other allegations came out, I knew they
were utterly false, which then just reinforced my belief that
the rest was not true. This stupid fucking Scuffuza still
won't admit it. Jeffrey Epstein innocent, Glayn Maxwell innocent. Donald
Trump never knew Jeffrey Epstein, They never talked once. Prince Andrew,
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Who's that? That's the kind of shit this lady's saying.
And your homiet Todd Blanche, But had Blanche is letting
her get away with it. This is not how a
deposition works. This is not a statement of fact. This
is a deposition where she should be challenged. But no,
that didn't happen, did it, Blanche. Let me ask you
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a question about the age of messuses over the years.
I think, in my mind there's the difference between you
knowing or not knowing that a messus is under the
age of eighteen and coming to give a massage once again,
dumb ass, Todd, Blanche, do you really think that Jeffrey Epstein,
Rich asked, Jeffrey Epstein has to go and get girls
without massage therapist's licenses to give them massages. What he
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can't afford a real one, He has to go and
get one from a girl that doesn't know what she's doing.
Why didn't you go to an agency to get these
massage therapists? Why were you out patrolling mar A Lago
and high schools for New Biles? In your own words,
Glenn Maxwell, Maxwell, I think it's better to answer this
question with corroborating evidence and then go back to explain
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so that I frame Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, your understanding of
what I'm saying, or my understanding is that in two
thousand and let's say two thousand and eight, they had
interviewed forty four women, let's say, or around that number.
Blanche aha. Aha, that's your answer, Blanche auha. These were
girls from pom Beach High School and other high schools.
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We're talking about two thousand and eight. Here, he doesn't
call her out on this, He doesn't say to her, well, listen,
you're a convicted felon, and what you're saying here is unacceptable.
You're not here to rewrite history. You're here to answer
my questions. Maxwell. You have to understand not a single
one of those forty four women mentioned in a single report.
And it's not because go back, they didn't mention me
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in their report, because they never met me. They never
saw me, and they never interacted with me. So to
go back to your question, it's not that I thought
one way or the other. It's that I didn't see them. Blanche, Okay,
I see, Okay, Maxwell, does that Blanche? Yeah, No, that's helpful. Maxwell,
I'm not But when I say, not one, not single
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one of those reports talked about me, And I just
want to clarify exactly because I'm obviously aware that one
of those girls is was one of the witnesses in
my trial, specifically redacted to use her own testimony so
that you don't have to Blanche, Yeah, here are my
point of view. It's better if it comes from her words,
and that's that way, there's no second guessing whether that's
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what I'm saying. Redacted herself said that redacted recruitedor redacted
broader and redacted traineder those are Redacted's on words. Where
was I going with this, Blanche, that you were that
you didn't know? I mean, I assume you were saying Maxwell,
Oh yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, Blanche, that's okay. I'm trying
to remember where I was. I can help you with that.
You're in fucking La La Land, certainly not in reality
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with the rest of us. Blant, so, she says, testifies
that it was redacted that recruited her and trained her,
not you. So wait. Then her first FBI meeting, she
reports seeing a woman with short, dark hare at the house,
which then is used as evidence that that person was
myself but the maid lady who helped keep the house,
John Alessi's wife with an accent. I believe, she said.
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Unlessi's wife had short, dark hair and an accent. I'm sorry,
but I find and you can ask yourself this. I mean,
I've obviously modified my accent. I've been in America a
long time, but I'm British. I've been brought up with
a very strong British accent, and I don't believe there's
an American on planet Earth that doesn't recognize this to
be a British or Australian maybe if you really don't know,
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but it's not some random accent. Now the hispanic maybe. Okay,
that was John's wife that she saw, not me, And
I'd like to point out further potentially her own through
her own words, she identified. Marcus interrupts, why don't we Maxwell? Okay,
stop there and let him ask the question. Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche,
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you're good. Maxwell, Okay. So it's just and look, I
want to try. I think probably tomorrow we will. I
want to talk more about the kind of evidence against
you and how to address that. What does that even mean?
She's convicted already. What they're trying to do, and I'm
convinced of it now, is give Glaine Maxwell and out here,
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and in return for her giving this kind of testimony,
they're going to promote Glainne Maxwell. What I mean by
that is when this down a little bit, she's getting
that pardon. I have no doubt about it after reading
this transcript. Zero doubt in my mind, folks, zero doubt.
And my guess is she'll probably have a show on
Fox News or Newsmax shortly after, because you know, she's
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the new Darling and all. All right, folks, I think
that's enough disgustingness for one episode, So we're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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be found in the description box.
What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with a bullshit ass transcript from
Glen Maxwell and the DOJ Todd Blanche. Okay, So let's
I want to stay and coming back now to what
we were talking about a moment ago with mister Epstein's
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kind of progression or getting worse. So just staying within
the nineties, what role, what role did you have or
what did you observe which are two different issues but
both important with respect to recruiting messuses to come to
either I guess Palm Beach or to travel or eventually
New Mexico. What role do you have in that? Maxwell?
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He asked me to find massuses for him. Blanche, say
it again, Maxwell, He asked me if I could find
massuses for him. Blanche, okay, like part of like said
you were his general manager as part of your duties,
that was one of them, Maxwell, and I did do that.
So the first person I believe that I introduced him
to was a missus somebody called redacted. She was I
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don't know, mid late twenties professional messuse Blanche. And was
this something that happened early on in your relationship or again,
I know we're talking about the nineties, or are we
talking about early nineties or is this later on? Maxwells So,
in terms of massage, I have a lot of injuries.
I do a lot of dangerous sports, and I've had
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multiple serious accidents and walk without any lameness because of
physical therapy and massages. That to me is a very
it's medicinal for me. So Epstein, whatever his massage situation, whatever,
he loved massage. And if I met somebody who I
thought was a good masseuse or a massaur, I introduced
them and he became because I got them. And he
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asked me if I did that, and I said, yes,
I'm pretty sure that. Well I don't remember ninety three,
ninety two from the beginning, Blanche, So go ahead. So
then what happens over the next you know, like there's
been there's been a ton of writing and a ton
of I guess testimony as well, but also public reporting
about how the recruiting was a very aggressive effort that
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you were a part of, that he was part of
and others to try and find more and more messuses.
What is that? Is that true? What role did you
play in that, Maxwell, Well, that's partially true, okay, Maxwell,
So it's true that I found massuses and he became
more insistent. He liked new all the time he got bored,
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so he'd be bored with the massus and he would say,
find me a new massuse. I'm the entire opposite. If
I find someone that I like, I stay with them.
I'm like, I don't want new. He would drive for new.
So that's true. And in my effort to find them,
I would go to massage spas, like legitimate spas, not
we're talking you know, funky ones that people have. So
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if I got a massage from somebody in a spa
I liked, I asked them if they would do home visits.
If they said yes, I would ask him to come
to the house and he would see if he liked
them or not. But these were people who worked in spas.
I never ever checked their age, and I never checked
their credentials. I never asked for a certificate, Blanche what Marcus.
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But just to be clear, you never thought anybody was
under eighteen, Maxwell, I never know. That was never. That
was never my drive. What are you in prison for?
Right now? You stupid ass. Who's this fucking Skuffouza and
the scumbag Marcus trying to rewrite this story. It's not
gonna happen. Keep in mind that gland Maxwell used to
talk about going out and finding new biles for Jeffrey Epstein.
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Keep that in mind. Maxwell, I never that was never.
That was never my drive. Blanche. What did you know
at the time about him, mister Epstein requiring messuses to
be naked, or requiring messuses to either perform sexual favors
for mister Ebstein, or that to be there if mister
Epstein masturbated, or things like that. And again, I'm asking
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you about fifteen year period or whatever, ten year period,
so I appreciate it's a very broad question. Is this
guy for real? Why don't you just go give Glenn
Maxwell a nice hug and slipper some tongue, you fucking goof.
So answer it in a way that you, you know,
addresses what you've been charged with doing, but also what's
been said about you, not charged, convicted, You fuck an asshole?
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Holy shit, is this what the Trump administration thinks about justice?
What a joke? Bro? How can anyone sit here and
read this and not be offended. Maxwell, Okay, So I
don't the nineties. I don't think that I ever thought
that would never cross my mind. I'm not sure that
I thought about that in those contexts at all until
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it's arrest and those papers came out. But I believe
the subject of the question that you're asking me, I
believe started in the two thousands, Blanche, in the two
thousand time period. Maxwell, Yeah, two thousand, Blanche. Why do
you think two thousand, Blanche? Like? What what in your
mind makes you think that there's a time that it started. Maxwell,
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I think because in December of two thousand and one
he met redacted, and I think redacted was responsible for
that in its entirety. And the reason I believe that
so this she was a self confess to having been
sexually abused as a young girl and was trained her
words I'm quoting now, not mine, in all arts or whatever,
that is the sex program by a man called Ron Eppinger,
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who was her pimp from when she was fourteen I believe,
or fifteen, I don't know, and in her book describes
him training her to be what every man wants in
all its manners, fillatio and everything else. I believe that
then what happened was that he met her and she
came as a messuse to his house in December of
two thousand and one, is when I think it started.
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You think you're the one who brought her there, you
fucking disgusting ghoul. Now what their relationship was or what
happened with him in that early period of time, I
cannot say. What I can say is that he liked
her and she started to travel with him, and during
that time period, I believe I know then what happened
was that she when she first started to see him,
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or first came into his orbit as his massuse or whatever,
she was engaged to be married and wearing an engagement
ring and was living with her fiance. She broke up
after a few months with her fiance and took up
with the local drug dealer. So let's say after four
or five months of in the time period when she
was seeing Epstein. Let's say we're now May June of
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two thousand and two or two thousand. I can't remember.
From whenever she hints the whatever that is if that's
two thousand, I think it's two thousand. I'm sorry, I
think it's when she met him December of two thousand.
You mean when you brought her there, you fucking disgusting animal.
So she's perjuring herself right here. She's lying through her teeth.
Nobody's gonna do anything about it. And what they're going
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to tell you to do is take a bite of
that shit sandwich and enjoy it, Blanche. Okay, I'm not
holding you to exact day, Maxwell, No, I mean, I'm
just trying. I'm giving Blanche. I appreciate it, Maxwell. So
then I think, so she takes up with the local
drug dealer, and she becomes druggy druggy like you know
how druggies, Well maybe you don't. I live with a
lot in Tallahassee. They become even more unreliable than normal.
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And at some point she's now working somewhere else. He
stops seeing her because he doesn't like people who do drugs.
And I think that not seeing her lasted five or
six months, and in that period of time, she got
arrested for theft, and she had a warrant out for
her arrest. Now this I've pieced together, because this piece
I didn't know. She then called Epstein to have help
avoiding the warrant for her arrest, and he sent her
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to Thailand to get a massage therapy license. This is
the bit that I guess. This is the bit that
I extrapolated. Yo, this is unconscionable. Glenn Maxwell's the lady
who walked Virginia into the jaws of the beast and
then to sit here and act like she has no
idea what's going on, and to be allowed to get
away with it, that is fucking unbelievable. And it tells
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you everything you need to know about the DOJ, Lame Ass,
Pam Bondi, Cash, Bitch Ass Bettel, Dan Faker, Bongino, and
Donnie Diddles. Tells you everything you need to know about
all of them. In the period of time from when
she came back to when she left, he asked her
to replace herself as his messuse or whatever whatever she
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was doing, and she brought the first replacement for her
that would have been one of the accusers in my case,
I think would have been redacted that and then everyone
who came subsequent to redacted or simultaneously. If she wasn't
the first, I don't know every single person who came
to his house came through redacted and her boyfriend Tony
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and then whoever else underneath her, And that's how it started.
Blanche So before her Lea Safian Tony Figueroa, Maxwell, Tony
Figueroa is her boyfriend? No mention if Sarah Kellen Vickers though, right?
And Yo, the sin in me wants to say that
all of this is happening because Virginia is gone. If
she wasn't gone, do you think they'd have the courage
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or the audacity to throw shit on her name like this?
Blanche before her? So now, going back in the nineties,
you don't believe that mister Epstein was abusing messuses Marcus
underage or over age. I mean, I think, well, I'm
using abuse in the broad sense of the word because
I'm assuming that you you said that you have no
idea of the year. You always assume that messuses were
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over age, right Maxwell, I did. So you went and
got Virginia Roberts from mar A Lago. Knew she was
not of age, and now you're going to make pretend
that she was. This is the same shit Maxwell got
nailed bit with for perjury during the deposition. But sure,
go ahead, bang out, Blanche So when I'm talking about abuse,
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even talking about an adult messuse who comes in to
give a massage and is told to take off their clothes,
told they're not going to get paid if they don't
take off their clothes. Basic suggested they had to watch
a masturbate, like the things that have been publicly said
about what he did. Maxwell, I'm not, Blanche. For now,
I'm not distinguishing adults or young or underage women. I'm
(10:12):
saying abuse. Maxwell. I'm going to think about that, and
that would be a habit, Blanche. Okay, I'm going to
say that the massage game was a habit, And I think, Marcus,
what does that mean? Maxwell? That means that I'm sure
that he didn't suddenly start having relationships with messuses in
two thousand and two. Okay, So in other words, what
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she said about Virginia just now throw it out the
fucking window. What an absolute clown, Maxwell. I'm sure he
must have had relations with messuses. Who knows when, Blanche.
But you're saying, as far as you I use the
word abuse, you're saying that, as far as you sit
here today, you would describe that as more consensual, meaning
the massuses did those did those things willingly. Maxwell. I
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saw him with a lot of messuses. I never saw
a single massuse ever look on happy or not come
back or whatever. So based on my observation, I don't
think that if you're being raped as now he's like
this prolific, I just can't imagine why you would return.
She's still covering for him, she has no remorse, nothing,
but yet she gets hooked up. This is your justice department, folks,
(11:20):
this is the people that are gonna blow the doors
off transparency. These are the same people that cry about
hot dogs and pizza, the same people who told you
that motherfuckers were stashed away in basements, the same people
that were talking about Wayfair trafficking children in their furniture.
But now Glen Maxwell is the arbiter of truth and
(11:40):
everybody should just suck it down. Well, I have news
for you, and I have news for them. Fuck that,
no chance not gonna happen. And in fact, after reading
this deposition, I'm one hundred percent convinced that there's a
cover up. One hundred percent convinced, Blanche. That's not what
you have deserved at the time, Maxwell, not what I
(12:02):
observed at the time. No Blanche, We're going to spend
a little We're going to spend more time on this
issue because I think it's important. But just going back
to kind of the question that I started with in
this area, which is that it ties into the blackmail issue.
So we talked about people that were his clients, and
you've mentioned President Clinton and early on. Maxwell, Oh, I
(12:25):
never said he was a client. Got to protect your boy, right.
I never said he was a client, Blanche. I did
not say you said. I'm saying that when you talked
about his clients Maxwell, right, Blanche, Yeah, and he puts
his clients off the side. Maxwell, okay, Blanche. And then
you mentioned some other people. You mentioned President Clinton, Glenn Maxwell. Yes,
(12:48):
all right. We're going to wrap up right here, and
in the next episode, we're going to pick up where
we left off. All of the information that goes with
this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
Glenn Maxwell's transcripts from her interview with the DJ. Blanche
(13:12):
and then you mentioned some other people you mentioned President Clinton? Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
you mentioned President Trump early on. Who were other famous politicians,
who were other individuals in mister Epstein's life during that
time period, So the early nineties, Maxwell, it was the nineties.
Let's just should we Blanche cuts her off, Yes, Maxwell, okay,
(13:36):
Congressman McMillan, Blanche, say it again, Maxwell McMillan, Blanche, okay, Maxwell,
Henry Rossowsky, who was the provost of Harvard hang on indiscernible, Blanche,
Sure you're looking at your your notes, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
go ahead. Maxwell, Joe Pagano, Jerry Goldsmith, Joe Roberts, Kenny Lipp,
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Dan Abramson. I don't know if in the nineties Tom Pritzker, Ace,
Jimmy Kine, Lou Raynieri. I mean there were And let's
go back to Tom Pritzker for a minute. He was
accused of sexual assault by Virginia Roberts. So when you
have this other Pritzker clown in Illinois up here talking nonsense,
keep that in mind, Todd, Blanche, what about the royal family? Maxwell, No,
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he didn't know them in the nineties, Blanche. What about
Prince Andrew. Maxwell didn't know him in the nineties, Blanche.
When did Maxwell interrupt them? Well, is that right, Blanche,
I wouldn't know. I don't know, so I don't want
you to have to worry about exact dates. You're not
positive about that, but you don't have a specific recollection
(14:46):
of that being in the nineties. Maxwell, No, Well, Blanche
don't know anything. I'd be surprised if Blanche even knew
the basic story here. And I'm not even being facetious
when I say that, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, I can date
it for you, I think, but I can't give you
to that. She's interrupted by Blanche again. That's okay. I
(15:07):
think that's fine. So with respect to just and Will,
we'll just take a break in a minute to get
some food. But just with respect to mister, with respect
to individuals you just talked about, so again, focus in
on the nineties and so the people that I'm talking
about right now, and we might add some names later.
So we're talking about the clients that he worked with,
(15:28):
which you've mentioned several of and I know that that
wasn't exhaustive, but you mentioned several of them, and then
kind of what I called famous friends, the prominent individuals
that were in his life in the nineties. Does any
of that stick out in your mind as having received massages. Maxwell.
Henry Rozowski received a massage, Blanche, And why does that
(15:51):
stick out in your memory? Maxwell? Because I saw him
in a bathrobe at seventy first Street and he had
received a massage. He told me, Blanche, do you know
that was the masseuse was naked during the massage? Maxwell?
I wouldn't have any idea, Blanche. Do you know whether
he Maxwell? I doubt it. He was like in his eighties, Blanche,
(16:11):
say it again, Maxwell, I doubt it. He was like
in his eighties. So because you're in your eighties doesn't
mean you don't want to get your weasel greased. I
don't understand what that even means, Blanche. Okay, so do
you notwithstanding his age, Maxwell Minsky, Sorry, Blanche said that again?
Maxwell Minsky was another person, Blanche. Do you know whether,
(16:34):
for example, President Clinton ever received a massage? He goes
right to Clinton. Really, that's who you go to. Maxwell.
I don't believe he did. Well, that's a lie. He did,
Schantay Davies. Let's keep it moving, Todd, Blanche And what
makes you say you don't believe he did? Maxwell? Well?
Because I don't so that's a good question. The time
that Epstein and President Clinton sped together, the only times
(16:56):
I believe, well, obviously they traveled there was that you know,
the plane. They went on the plane twenty six times
or whatever. That would be one journey, so they spent
time on the plane together, and I don't believe there
was ever a massage on the plane. So that would
have been the only time that I think President Clinton
would have received a massage, and he didn't because I
was there. Hey, Todd, Blanche, I know you're out to
(17:18):
lunch and you're busy sniffin' Donald Trump's jock, but you
should probably ask her about the picture of Bill Clinton
getting a massage on that trip in the airport by
Chante Davies. Not speculation, not me guessing that actually happened. Blanche,
And you mentioned in the early the very beginning of
the conversation, you mentioned President Trump in the early nineties. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
(17:44):
what did you observe as far as President Trump and
his relationship with mister Epstein? Maxwell, Well, I just want
to say for my relationship with Trump, relationship's a big word,
but I just want to say that I met him,
or I believe I may have because of my father
in the nineties. Again she's lying. There's proof of them
all pallling around together. Blanche, yep, Okay, Maxwell, So my
(18:08):
father liked him very much, and he was loved, really
liked his wife as well, because we're both Czechoslovakian. As
far as I'm concerned, President Trump was always very cordial
and very kind to me. And I just want to
say that I find I admire his extraordinary achievement in
becoming the president. Now dann that noses brown as Look, Glaine,
(18:29):
how can you breathe with your nose in gulf so
deeply up the President's behind? And I like him and
I've always liked him. So that is the sum of
substance of my entire relationship with him. No wonder Trump
wished her well, Blanche. What about mister Epstein's relationship with him? Maxwell,
I don't know how they met, and I don't know
(18:49):
how they became friends. I certainly saw them together, and
I remember the few times I observed them together, but
they were friendly. I mean, they seem friendly. Maxwell. I
believe I only ever saw them in social settings. I
don't recall any private setting. Blanche, did you ever have
you ever been to mar A Lago and Palm Beach. Yeah,
that's where she got Virginia from. You dumb asshole, Glenn Maxwell.
(19:14):
I have Blanche, And what time period are you thinking
about when you say this? Maxwell, I don't remember when
the president purchased mar A Lago, so from whenever it
turned into the club, I went there. I love going there, Blanche.
Did you go there with mister Epstein or alone? Maxwell?
Mostly alone? To that she's cut off by Blanche. Do
(19:34):
you know where? And then she cuts off? Blanche? And
the times I went there, it was for an event,
maybe once or twice, Blanche. And do you know whether
mister Epstein ever went there? Maxwell? I believe he did,
but again we really he didn't take me with him
all the time, so we would go He never I never, Well,
he did from time to time, but he would go alone.
(19:57):
I think he would maybe go to himself to the SPA.
I certainly did, Blanche. Did you ever observe President Trump
receive a massage? Maxwell? Never? Blanche, did you ever observe?
You said that you were? I mean, have you seen
that there's photographs public photographs of mister Epstein and President
Trump together? Maxwell, yes, Blanche. And there's photographs of I
(20:20):
think you're in some of the photographs Maxwell, Yes, Blanche
as well. Those all appear to be social settings. Maxwell, yes, Blanche.
Do you to that he's cut off again by his
pal Glane Maxwell during her ted talk here. That's my memory.
They were social settings. I don't know Epstein if he
had whatever the nature of the President's friendship, if you will,
(20:41):
or however you wanted to find that with Epstein, I was.
I never witnessed. They were friendly like people are in
social settings. I don't think they were close friends or
I certainly never witnessed the president. I don't recall ever
seeing him in his house, for instance. I actually never
saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never,
and it's the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.
(21:03):
The President was never inappropriate with anybody in the times
that I was with him. He was a gentleman in
all respects. Well not according to Maria Farmer. And trust
me what I tell you, Maria Farmer is a lot
more credible than Glenn Maxwell. Blanche. When's the last time
you think you saw in person President Trump? Maxwell, It's
(21:25):
been a long time, probably sometime the beginning mid two thousands, maybe,
and it would only have been in a social setting
as far as I recall, Blanche. And did you ever
hear mister Epstein or anybody say that President Trump had
done anything inappropriate with messuses or with anybody in your world? Maxwell?
Absolutely never, in any context, Blanche, do you know whether
(21:47):
messus is from mar A Lagos, Spa ended up giving
massages to private massages to mister Epstein. I'm not asking
for what you may have read, but from at the time,
from your personal knowledge, do you know whether that's true? Maxwell?
I don't recall. Is it possible, Yes, but I don't remember.
I don't remember that, so I don't want to I
don't recall that, but it's possible, Blanche. Do you have
(22:11):
a recollection of ever recruiting a massuse from mar A Lagos,
Spa to go and give a private massage to mister Epstein. Maxwell,
I've never recruited a massus from mar A Lago for that,
as far as I can remember, I can't ever recollect
doing that. So she didn't go and find Virginia at
mar A Lago. How is todd, Blanche? She could just
(22:32):
sitting here and allowing her to rewrite history. I mean,
holy fucking shit, the fact that he's doing this should
terrify everybody. This isn't a deposition, this is a fireside
chat with You're a homie, Blanche, Okay, So I think
we should do Now, it's about twelve fifteen. We'll take
a break and we'll come back in a little bit.
(22:52):
Maxwell okay, Blanche okay. So they take their break, then
they come back at twelve fifty nine pm. Spencer Horn,
Good afternoon. We're continuing the recorded profer interview of miss Maxwell.
The time is twelve fifty nine Thursday, July twenty fourth,
with how close Todd, Blanche and Maxwell are. I bet
you they had one drink with two straws at lunch.
(23:14):
Blanche okay. So just to continue what we're talking about,
Miss Maxwell, still focused on the nineties time period, with
understanding that could spill over in the early two thousands,
but still that part of your life with mister Epstein.
There has been public reporting about conduct by mister Epstein
and others at Little Saint James Maxwell. Yes, Blanche, can
(23:35):
you talk about the frequency with which you went there
and address some of those some of the reporting namely
around young messus's or young women who would be present,
and that you observed Maxwell, yes, Blanche relating to them,
and then I'll ask the questions around that Maxwell. So
if I'm right, he purchased the island in ninety six,
and he was friendly with the owners and originally he
(23:56):
went to the island as a guest of the owners,
and then I guess at some point point the owners
told them they wanted to sell and he decided to
purchase it. So the island was very rustic. I loved it.
He of course had completely different ideas, and I would
say there was none of what you were describing at
the early period of time. Nothing happened Glenn Maxwell and
Jeffrey Epstein completely innocent, and all the survivors they're all liars.
(24:22):
So the frequency was was often, we're often on the
island because he loved it. He really really loved it,
and he would go all the time. Mostly all the
early phase was based on improvements that could be made
on the island, always going with new architects, new designers,
new construction people. I'd say the first two years, almost
every trip, not everyone, but almost every trip contained some
(24:44):
an individual who would be brought on board to have
an opinion as to how I don't want to use
the word improve the island, because I don't think you
could improve it. But I think that word would be
what's the word I'm looking for to develop it? Sorry,
that's the word, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, develop develop the island.
That's the word I'm looking for. So there were trips,
(25:04):
constant trips with that in mind. And I would say, now,
if we are moving to the late nineties or ninety
six ninety seven, I definitely witnessed a progression in mister
Epstein's behavior and a modification, if you will. Where in
the past, in the early nineties, I don't remember traveling
so much with other people. There would be a massuse
or a yoga person, but now he started to travel
(25:26):
with more always a massuse. Whereas in the past it
wasn't always a massuse or always an instructor. There was
now starting to always be an individual or a friend
or whatever. There's always like maybe the word would be entourage,
and there would always be people in their twenties, late twenties,
early thirties, as my memory sees it, as I observed
that time, and he tasked me with finding a local
(25:49):
masseuse for him in saying Thomas, because sometimes even though
I say he would always travel with an entourage, sometimes
he didn't and he wanted to have a massage locally.
This lady's just spitting words out, just saying all kinds
of nonsense. Whatever she thinks, that butt head Blanche wants
to hear. So I visited the spas that were local
(26:10):
in Saint Thomas and Saint John. If I met someone
a man or a woman actually, because it was difficult
to find somebody in Saint Thomas, it's not exactly you know.
So I did find a couple of people who would come.
So that's how they came. Because also it was a schlep,
so if you had somebody who came, it would be
you would have to you know, boat ride and several hours.
(26:30):
It wasn't just like arriving with your massage table and stuff.
So there was that. So I did that, Blanche. So
did over the years males also give massages to mister
Epstein Maxwell. Yes, I did say, I don't think at
the beginning definitely, and I would say towards sort of
again late nineties, I don't remember any men they were
at the beginning. I think that towards late nineties, I
(26:53):
cannot think of any men. I think of women. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up this episode of Glenn Maxwell's time
talk with the Government right here, and in the next
episode talking about the topic, We're gonna pick up from
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What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
(27:15):
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
the Glen Maxwell transcripts, or as I like to call it,
her ted talk with Todd Blanche. Blanche, did you, well
you talk about entourage flying right now, we're talking about
the island. Did you observe any sexual I was gonna
say misconduct, but any sexual any sex at all, whatsoever
(27:37):
on the plane? Maxwell? Never on the plane, no, Blanche.
Was there a part of the plane that was closed
off from others where mister Epstein could go and get
a massage or whatever? Maxwell? Yeah, okay, so that's a
good question. So there were two planes, so you had
the Gulf Stream and that's open plane. So anything, I mean,
there was a sofa that turned into a bed, and
(27:59):
he did on that and then but in the boeing
which he flew on a lot, his area could be
closed off with a door, and behind that door there
would be there was a bedroom and an office. So
if that door was shut, you wouldn't see it, Blanche.
But so if you never so, but you never observed
mister Epstein engaging in sex or getting a massage with
(28:21):
somebody with whether the messuse was not clothed on the plane, Maxwell,
I can't say that I might have, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
I definitely might either both in the gulf stream or Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
I'm sure I did, but it's not I can't Blanche. No, No,
that's fair, Maxwell, Okay, I'm absolutely sure I did. I
(28:42):
must have, because you know, he was so obsessed with
someone rubbing his feet or just when you ask me
about massages, I want to be clear. I generally think
of that as somebody on a massage table, but other
people might think of it as something different. You know,
you could have someone rubbing his feet or shoulder. I
saw that all the time that I did, but that's
(29:03):
separate from being on a massage table. A massage is
a massage Glenn Maxwell, stop parsing words, Blanche again. I
know we're talking about a decade long period. But during
the period we're talking about, in a seven day week,
how often would you see mister Epstein get a massage?
In the nineties when we're talking, he would get one
every day. I think as the time progressed, he would
(29:27):
get one maybe twice a day. I do want to
say that there was maybe a reason that things altered
or more if they're progressed, and it is maybe part
of the reason also that he and I our relationship.
Somebody wants to call it altered. He started doing testosterone
and it altered his character. And I believe that started
in the late nineties. And I believe that the FBI
(29:50):
has his medical records, and you may see that on
his medical records. Yes, Blanche, So you believe that he
started taking testosterone in the nineties. And when you say
that altered his behavior, you're saying it made him get
more massages, or that he was just one part of
what changed about him. Maxwell, Well, he became more aggressive, Blanche,
(30:11):
I see Maxwell, and I think that maybe, well, now
I'm just imagining that the testosterone altered his desires or something, Blanche.
And so when given what you've said in the past
couple hours about his kind of progression or change, let's
focus on that time period. So that's more towards the
late nineties Maxwell the testosterone. Yeah, okay, Blanche, So ninety six,
(30:35):
ninety seven, ninety eight, you know, towards Maxwell cuts him off. Yeah,
Blanche cuts her off. When you've said that he changed,
did you know flat out that he was having sex
or otherwise some sort of sexual contact with messuses regularly.
Maxwell flatly out No. I denied that I couldn't imagine
that he would, but I think looking back now that
(30:58):
I did not. But I started to suspect that he
was not faithful. Seems ludicrous, but that's what I thought. Oh,
poor Glaine Maxwell, the victim. Anyone who buys this once
again is a complete and utter moron, Blanche. But look,
if he's flying from Palm Beach to Saint Thomas, or
(31:20):
if he's flying all over the country to New Mexico
or in New York, or even in Palm Beach, and
there's young women putting aside, whether they are under age
eighteen or in their twenties. Every day at the house,
multiple messuses, multiple massages on some days, you're interacting with
the messuses constantly. Maxwell, huh, Blanche. Or maybe that's not right, Maxwell,
(31:41):
that's not right, Blanche. Let me take back what I
just said. Ignore that part, of course, Ignore that part
because it doesn't help Maxwell. Blanche, but you understand that
he's getting massages every day, sometimes multiple times a day
by the late nineties. It's all women. Presumably some of
them are new, but they're all repeat messuses. I mean,
(32:02):
you had to know at that point that there was
something going on beyond just he really needed to get
a massage. Maxwell. Okay, so very fair question. There's two things.
The first is the person that he saw the most
at that period of time was in her forties Blanche.
Uh huh, Maxwell, And she was with them all the time.
(32:22):
And I'm like married as well, Blanche. Yeah, And as
I'm square, and it never occurred, well, I don't believe
it occurred to me at the time that with this
woman he would be having relations. She's square. How about
the sex games? Maxwell, Yo, she's doing nothing but lying here,
And the fact that Todd Blanche is allowing it tells
(32:42):
us everything we need to know about the motivations of
him and the Trump administration, and he was with her.
That was the person he had the most massages yoga
with at the time, in the nineties period. The second
thing is that he told me he had difficulty having
an erection, and I believed him, Blanche, when you said
he said that, you mean he regularly told you that,
(33:06):
Maxwell when I first because when I didn't have sex
with him after the first time, so I asked him
was it me? And he told me it was him.
And I have never up until this moment in my
life as if I'm not stupid, I'm very bright. I've
had an excellent education, but I have never met or
understood that somebody could be would lie to me. It
(33:29):
never occurred to me. Oh yeah, No, nobody ever lies
to you, Glenn Maxwell. That's because you're busy doing all
the lying like you're doing right now. I didn't have
a frame of context within my life experience where somebody
would be so manipulative and devious with me. And plus
I just didn't have and I was happy not to
have sex because I have a condition that doesn't lend
(33:51):
itself to that. Oh everybody has a condition, huh. Epstein's
Pecker doesn't work. Prince Andrew doesn't sweat, Glenn Maxwell has
some shoes downstairs. She doesn't like sex. All of this
is a big mistake, Blanche. But when you learned so
fast forward just for a moment to the two thousand
and seven eight nine time period, and he's arrested and
(34:12):
charged and there's all kinds of press around his purported contact.
At that point, at that point, did you accept that
it was true? Meaning, did it make sense at that
point when you were reading about women who claim that
they had been abused even under age. At that point,
did you think to yourself, well, geez, that makes sense
now that I think about it, or no? Maxwell, First
(34:32):
of all, that I only read what was in the newspapers.
I didn't have any other thing. And I'm embarrassed to
say it. I didn't believe it. She might have said
that in past tense, but she doesn't believe it now either, Blanche. Okay, right,
I mean you didn't believe that the accusations were true
at the time, Maxwell, No, Blanche, So yeah, let's Maxwell
(34:54):
cuts him off, and sorry, I need to say, even
if they were true, I believe that he was duped
and he didn't know that they were whatever that was
in the papers at the time, whether they said that
they were seventeen or it didn't register. Because to that,
Blanche cuts her off. Yeah, Maxwell, along with all those well,
not in two thousand and six, but later when the
(35:14):
more salacious and other allegations came out, I knew they
were utterly false, which then just reinforced my belief that
the rest was not true. This stupid fucking Scuffuza still
won't admit it. Jeffrey Epstein innocent, Glayn Maxwell innocent. Donald
Trump never knew Jeffrey Epstein, They never talked once. Prince Andrew,
(35:36):
Who's that? That's the kind of shit this lady's saying.
And your homiet Todd Blanche, But had Blanche is letting
her get away with it. This is not how a
deposition works. This is not a statement of fact. This
is a deposition where she should be challenged. But no,
that didn't happen, did it, Blanche. Let me ask you
(35:56):
a question about the age of messuses over the years.
I think, in my mind there's the difference between you
knowing or not knowing that a messus is under the
age of eighteen and coming to give a massage once again,
dumb ass, Todd, Blanche, do you really think that Jeffrey Epstein,
Rich asked, Jeffrey Epstein has to go and get girls
without massage therapist's licenses to give them massages. What he
(36:17):
can't afford a real one, He has to go and
get one from a girl that doesn't know what she's doing.
Why didn't you go to an agency to get these
massage therapists? Why were you out patrolling mar A Lago
and high schools for New Biles? In your own words,
Glenn Maxwell, Maxwell, I think it's better to answer this
question with corroborating evidence and then go back to explain
(36:38):
so that I frame Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, your understanding of
what I'm saying, or my understanding is that in two
thousand and let's say two thousand and eight, they had
interviewed forty four women, let's say, or around that number.
Blanche aha. Aha, that's your answer, Blanche auha. These were
girls from pom Beach High School and other high schools.
(36:59):
We're talking about two thousand and eight. Here, he doesn't
call her out on this, He doesn't say to her, well, listen,
you're a convicted felon, and what you're saying here is unacceptable.
You're not here to rewrite history. You're here to answer
my questions. Maxwell. You have to understand not a single
one of those forty four women mentioned in a single report.
And it's not because go back, they didn't mention me
(37:21):
in their report, because they never met me. They never
saw me, and they never interacted with me. So to
go back to your question, it's not that I thought
one way or the other. It's that I didn't see them. Blanche, Okay,
I see, Okay, Maxwell, does that Blanche? Yeah, No, that's helpful. Maxwell,
I'm not But when I say, not one, not single
(37:42):
one of those reports talked about me, And I just
want to clarify exactly because I'm obviously aware that one
of those girls is was one of the witnesses in
my trial, specifically redacted to use her own testimony so
that you don't have to Blanche, Yeah, here are my
point of view. It's better if it comes from her words,
and that's that way, there's no second guessing whether that's
(38:05):
what I'm saying. Redacted herself said that redacted recruitedor redacted
broader and redacted traineder those are Redacted's on words. Where
was I going with this, Blanche, that you were that
you didn't know? I mean, I assume you were saying Maxwell,
Oh yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, Blanche, that's okay. I'm trying
to remember where I was. I can help you with that.
You're in fucking La La Land, certainly not in reality
(38:27):
with the rest of us. Blant, so, she says, testifies
that it was redacted that recruited her and trained her,
not you. So wait. Then her first FBI meeting, she
reports seeing a woman with short, dark hare at the house,
which then is used as evidence that that person was
myself but the maid lady who helped keep the house,
John Alessi's wife with an accent. I believe, she said.
(38:49):
Unlessi's wife had short, dark hair and an accent. I'm sorry,
but I find and you can ask yourself this. I mean,
I've obviously modified my accent. I've been in America a
long time, but I'm British. I've been brought up with
a very strong British accent, and I don't believe there's
an American on planet Earth that doesn't recognize this to
be a British or Australian maybe if you really don't know,
(39:11):
but it's not some random accent. Now the hispanic maybe. Okay,
that was John's wife that she saw, not me, And
I'd like to point out further potentially her own through
her own words, she identified. Marcus interrupts, why don't we Maxwell? Okay,
stop there and let him ask the question. Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche,
(39:31):
you're good. Maxwell, Okay. So it's just and look, I
want to try. I think probably tomorrow we will. I
want to talk more about the kind of evidence against
you and how to address that. What does that even mean?
She's convicted already. What they're trying to do, and I'm
convinced of it now, is give Glaine Maxwell and out here,
(39:52):
and in return for her giving this kind of testimony,
they're going to promote Glainne Maxwell. What I mean by
that is when this down a little bit, she's getting
that pardon. I have no doubt about it after reading
this transcript. Zero doubt in my mind, folks, zero doubt.
And my guess is she'll probably have a show on
Fox News or Newsmax shortly after, because you know, she's
(40:14):
the new Darling and all. All right, folks, I think
that's enough disgustingness for one episode, So we're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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