December 29, 2025 • 41 mins
On August 22, 2025, the U.S. Department of Justice released redacted transcripts and audio recordings of a two-day interview it conducted in July with Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring. During the interview, Maxwell denied ever seeing any inappropriate behavior by former President Donald Trump, describing him as a “gentleman in all respects,” and insisted she “never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.” She also rejected the existence of a so-called “client list,” countering years of speculation, and claimed to have no knowledge of blackmail or illicit recordings tied to Epstein.
In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
source:
Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
back in to Glenn Maxwell's fireside chat with her good
buddy Todd Blanche, Blanche, I don't want you to be burdened.
I want you to just tell the truth the best
you can. So I don't want you to be burdened
by what people said at trial or what you know
(00:22):
the press says about you. So, Maxwell, I thought that
it was illustrative when you asked me the question, Blanche,
and it was it was Maxwell, because it doesn't I
did not. I absolutely have no memory at any Now
I'm leaving redacted separate to this obviously, Blanche au huh, Maxwell,
(00:42):
so that's a separate story. I'm not going to pretend, well,
we'll come to her, Blanche, We'll get to her. Go ahead, Maxwell, So, yes,
she but in the terms of the scheme or whatever
however you want to determine what you're calling that, I
have no memory, no act of anything, of having seen
anybody that resembles a young child, let's call it what
it is, at the house giving him a massage at all.
(01:05):
It's not even like I did this, it's an at all,
And forty four people didn't see me or talk about
me either, including redacted Blanche. And when you say that, house,
Maxwell responds, Oh, sorry pom Beach, Blanche. Yeah, no, I
understand what you mean. But does the same memory or
lack thereof apply to planes in New Mexico in New York? Maxwell, well,
(01:29):
with some important caveats on that, But Julian Jane in
my trial was clearly underage, clearly a child, and I
only saw her in pom Beach, and I only saw
her with her mother. The other person who's clearly also
not an adult or even close redacted, I believe I
remember her now. That would be the only two or
three whatever that is. Yeah, what about Carolyn? What about Carolyn?
(01:53):
You know the girl who ended up killing herself after
you and your disgusting egg dick friend Jeffrey Epstein abused her.
What about her? Blanche? So, did you ever know mister
Epstein to communicate with FBI agents, either like intelligence FBI agents,
like as a source, or just generally with FBI agents? Maxwell, No, Blanche,
do you think if he had done that, you would
(02:15):
have known, like he would have told you something like
that like, if I said to you, mister Epstein was
a source for the FBI, would you say that's crazy? No,
he wasn't, or maybe he was. He wouldn't have told
me that anyway. Maxwell, I have two answers for that.
I think if he was for real, I think he
would have bragged about it to me as a show off,
because he could be a show off. And if he wasn't,
(02:37):
he might have dropped it like he was cool. And
I don't think I don't remember him doing either. Now,
with again the caveat that before I met him finding money,
I think he may have suggested that there were some
people who helped him. But that's the only context that
I recall that in. For the four hundredth time, Glenne
Maxwell was not the confidant you people think she was.
(02:59):
She was a She was somebody that was involved in
one portion of Epstein's bullshit. She's not this Rosetta stone.
And the only people that are pitching her like that
are people that are going to benefit from that kind
of narrative, because make no mistake, this whole entire thing
was geared towards you shutting up. That's what the whole
(03:20):
goal is here. Blanche, What do you mean by that
when you say finding money? What do you mean? Maxwell? Well,
his business where he remember, I told you, Blanche? Uh huh? Maxwell,
I think in that context he showed me a photograph
that he had with some African warlords or something that
he told me. And you know, I get I don't
(03:41):
remember if that's what I interpreted like that kind of thing,
or whether it was something like that. That's the only
actual active memory I have of something nefarious, well, not nefarious.
I don't even know if it was nefarious, but covert.
I suppose it would be the word blanche. And what
about any other intelligence agency like the CIA, or Defense
(04:01):
Intelligence or any other law enforcement agency. Maxwell, Okay, I
don't think so. I think that I don't remember anything
like that. I just don't think he had the wherewithal.
And I think the whole aspect of that is, can
I use a bad word, David Marcus, Yes, Blanche? Yes, Maxwell? Bullshit?
Imagine this lady calling anything bullshit. If bullshit could walk,
(04:25):
if bullshit had two legs, lady, you'd be it. Blanche. Okay,
And what do you think why do you think it's bullshit? Meaning?
What do you mean Marcus, Would you have known if
he was, would he have been bragging to you? Would
he have been saying these things? So none of it
makes sense, right, Maxwell says she knows nothing about Jeffrey Epstein,
nothing about his intimate life, so how would she know
(04:47):
if he's an intelligence agent? Maxwell, I think, well, sorry,
I think that one of the reasons why he liked
me was because of my you know, my family connections,
and why I liked other people was because they were
cool or whatever. And I think that certainly early when
I met him, he would have tried to impress me
or tried, you know, show off if you will, like
(05:09):
he was that guy, you know, and he wasn't that guy,
And so I think that he would have tried to
bullshit me, and he didn't. So I think it's to
that she's cut off by Blanche who gets one word in?
Did then he's cut off by Maxwell. Well, he may
have tried to bullshit me, but no, I couldn't, Blanche, right,
Glenn Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche. So I just want to shift
(05:30):
for a few minutes to talk about post two thousand,
two thousand, to kind of when your relationship changed over
the years with them. Did there come a time when
mister Epstein did meet members of the royal family. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
when was that, Maxwell, So I need to go back
because I think I may have misspoke, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
(05:51):
I didn't misspeak, but Blanche, Yeah, Okay, go ahead, Maxwell,
it's something I have forgotten, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. Before I
met Epstein, he lived in London for a period of time,
I don't know for how long, and he met and
he knew some truly fancy people, like people high society
people that included Princess Diana's best friend. Her name was
(06:12):
Rosa Monkton, and Rose's husband Dominic Lawson, who was a
famous journalist, actually is a very well known journalist. And
when I and he had he was friends with the
Barings Barings Bank, and he had like sort of Blanche,
that was what you're talking about, Maxwell, before he met me,
Blanche before so in Maxwell, the eighties, Blanche eighties, okay, Maxwell,
(06:35):
he was dating Eva Anderson, Miss Sweden. I think I
don't know when she became Miss Sweden. Blanche, Okay, so
earlier when you said to me that, then later Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
you think he may have met some members of the
royal family or certainly British high society. Maxwell. I don't
know about the royal family, but he certainly met high
society Blanche okay Maxwell. And the reason why I know
(06:59):
this is because sometimes this is a documentable thing. Whatever,
there's a photograph that can give you the date, because
I don't remember what the date is of this, So
there's something that will peg whatever the date is. I
don't remember when that is. Epstein went to London without me.
He often went everywhere without me, but he was in
London without me, which was decently unusual because London's my hometown. Again,
(07:24):
he went everywhere without me, did this without me, did
that without me? So what the fuck do you think
Layne Maxwell has to offer to this conversation. But anyway,
he went without me and went to a big event
in I think it was in any Way, it was
a big event. It's on it's on the news, and
it's like there's photographs of it. And I don't know
(07:45):
if he sat with Diana or he met Diana and
he'd already met her. I don't know, But this I
believe was organized by Rosa and so there's I don't
know if she was being set up for a day
with him, maybe because I don't want to speak so
bad of Diana, but I'm not going to do that, Blanche. Okay,
So that was pre meeting you, Maxwell, No, that was
(08:06):
that event. Happened when we were Blanche Okay, that was inaudible,
Maxwell and I would sometimes Blanche interrupts her. Understood, Maxwell,
it's when we once again Blanche interrupts her. Okay, Maxwell,
I'm not going to say together. But how about this
when I was his employee. That's a bit better, Todd, Blanche, Okay.
(08:28):
So now moving back to the two thousands, did there
come a time when mister Epstein met Prince Andrew Maxwell, Yes,
Blanche and others in the royal family or just Prince
Andrew as far as you know, Maxwell, Well, so as
much as I can piece it together, all right. First
of all, let's just state I did not introduce him
to Prince Andrew. I did not introduce them to Prince
(08:49):
Andrew or to Sarah Ferguson. That's just a flat untruth.
I'll start with that. So now I'm going to tell
you how he did actually meet him. So if you
find that photograph, I can date that time when he
met Princess Diana at that event, and based on that,
I'll be able to tell you if it's pre your
post that event, because I haven't looked it up and
(09:10):
I've never bothered to check. So Lynn Forrester who was
a client or some type of client, or I think
she actually tried to date him or might have dated
him for the record. She was in Do you want
to ask me something, Blanche, No, go ahead, Maxwell. She
had a house or she rented a house in the vineyard.
I think it was in the Vineyard or Nantucket. I
(09:31):
can't remember now which one it was. It was one
of those. It was either in Nantucket or the Vineyard,
and invited Epstein to go, and I believe that's when
he met Prince Andrew. However, I believe before that event
he had gone to the Bahamas and hung out with
Sarah Ferguson, and Sarah called Epstein and had arranged with
Lynn or I don't know. I don't know now, I'm speculating. Anyway,
(09:54):
long and short, he met Andrew up there, Blanche, and
I'm not holding you to exact date, but when approximately
it was that, Maxwell, Well, we can date it from
that picture. If you find me the picture, Blanche. But
do you know, without looking at a photo in your mind,
approximately when that was Maxwell. I want to say it
was by two thousand, No, probably two thousand and one,
(10:17):
two thousand and two, Todd, Blanche, early two thousands, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
And I think it was actually Prince Andrew himself who
suggested that he met Jeffrey Epstein through you. Maxwell. I
think that's true. So well, Leasafian, it's true that Prince
Andrew said that. Maxwell. Yeah, no, I'm sure it's true
(10:37):
because I'm English and my close friends are all close
friends with Sarah and Andrew. And I would not say
that I was close friends with Andrew before, but certainly
we were friendly and certainly as best friends. Some of
them are very close with me. And I think that
my friendship, me being present or me is what made
Andrew like Jeffrey Moore like trust him or I think
(11:00):
that's the idea, Blanche. So you don't dispute that you're
kind of had a role in them getting together. You're
just saying you didn't say, Prince, here's Jeffrey. Maxwell. I
would never have introduced them. It would never have occurred
to me to introduce them. I couldn't imagine them being
friends to chalk and cheese, would never I mean, for real,
(11:20):
there's nothing there to connect them, but there is. This
lady's just straight up lying. At this point. Everybody knows
that you and Prince Andrew were playing hide the salami?
Who you kidding? So he met Prince Andrew and then
he had a really good relationship. I don't like that word.
It sounds clunky. They had a friendship. She gets cut
off by Marcus acquaintance ship Maxwell, thank you, and through
(11:42):
Sarah actually, and just to be clearer during a real deposition,
because that's not what this is. This is a fireside chat.
Marcus couldn't jump in like that and coaches client Maxwell
would just have to answer the questions or plead the fifth.
But considering this is a fireside chat and not a
real deposition, well here you are. I think Sarah's the
(12:04):
one that pushed that, and they met and they hung out.
I want to say two or three times. That had
nothing to do with me. I wasn't communicating with Andrew,
I wasn't in touch with him. And I know this
because I was annoyed and I felt left out. I
felt disrespected and I was like, this is weird. I
couldn't even imagine Epstein and Andrew together. And I thought
that with Sarah was trying to put the moves on Jeffrey,
(12:26):
if I'm being honest, and I thought the whole thing
was annoying, and I was pissed off. Everybody's fault but hers, Oh,
it's Sarah Ferguson's fault. I don't know whose fault it is,
but don't look at me. Basically what she's telling us
right Meanwhile, this vile Skuffuza has already been convicted of
these crimes. So at this point, all she's doing is
trying to rewrite the narrative, Blanche, So what happened with
(12:50):
their relationship? Putting aside the publicity around Prince Andrew's purported
relationship with redacted, what happened as far as you know,
with Prince Andrew and mister Epstein's relationship from the time
you just described or you give me Maxwell, Okay, So
after that, at some point Jeffrey told me. Epstein told
me that Andrew was coming to New York and I
(13:11):
needed to organize the whole thing. That's classic, by the way,
classic Epstein. Of course, if someone, I'm like, all right, fine, whatever,
and because he wanted to make sure that Andrew was
taken care of and that he was comfortable, he had
whatever he needed, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I'm like, well,
I'm going to meet him or are you just going
to have me do all the job? And he said, well,
you know you can come and say hello, Like wow,
(13:34):
well that's real nice of you, for real, because you
have to understand, Like, I don't know if I told
you this before, but I did not have the keys
to I was not allowed to go to his house
unless I was summoned or told. I was not allowed
to answer his phone. We can go there, but anyway,
so you can tell there's a bit of a sore point.
Perhaps this lady is unbelievable, and the fact that Blanche
(13:56):
is just sitting through it, I can't even imagine. Anyway,
So Andrew came and of course the minute we got together,
I was like yay hi. And then it was so
nice because the difference of being in England with Prince
Andrew versus being in New York without all the bullshit
was insane and our friendship just like lit up like
this because, first of all, he knew that I'm safe.
(14:19):
I mean safe as in I'm not yeah, you know,
Nigel Dempster or taking a picture. I mean not in
a million years would I do something so gross. And
we honestly got on like a house fire. I really
liked him a lot, and it was so nice and
we just became really really good friends, much more so
than when we were in London. If I'm honest, Blanche.
(14:40):
And then with the respect or adapted in Prince Andrew,
what do you know about that relationship? All right, we're
gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
(15:01):
picking up where we left off with Todd Blanche having
tea and crumpets with Glenn Maxwell. Maxwell, what's an even
bigger word than bullshit? Todd Blanche? Okay, why, well go ahead,
but finish that thought. What do you think Maxwell? I'm
going to tell you right now, I'm so happy to
(15:21):
tell you I'm like excited, beyond excited. So there's been
this mixture of what I've actually seen and know from
the evidence and versus what I've put together. Impossible for
me at this point to separate everything, But I'll tell
you what I know versus what I saw and what
I physically have in here. But it's helpful for you
to know. So the allegations I have to go with
(15:43):
the allegation. The allegation was that at my house in
London in March whatever that was, two thousand and one.
I believe we went to London, especially so that redacted
could have a or redacted could have a relationship with
Prince Andrew, and she was paid a vast amount of
money for that purpose, okay, And that she then got
(16:05):
in my bathroom in my house in London and had
sex sexual relations with them, and then went into my
guest room and had full blown sex and then left
my house or he left, and she felt used and disgusting,
and a photograph was taken of them just before all
these events took place in my study. That is what
is the story. Oh and then after that she met
(16:26):
him several other times, but we'll come to that. This
is where it will allegedly start Leah Safian and they
went to tram maxwell. Oh. Right, we went to a
nightclub that night, we went to dinner. Right, we went
to dinner and then to tram Okay. So the first
thing about that weekend, that specific weekend, was it was
(16:47):
my mom's eightieth birthday and I was in the country
and I have some corroborating evidence for that and a
lot of testimonial that you can check. So that takes
care of the reason why I won, of the reasons
why her story doesn't hold water. The second reason, so,
by the way, when I say that my mom turned eighty,
that actual weekend was her birthday is on March the eleventh.
(17:09):
And the reason why I went to London, and I
presume this I don't remember, is why when we were there.
So the whole trip started because of Alberto Pinto, who
is a decorator for the island and for New York
as well, and he wanted Epstein to go and see
what the house in Marrakesh, if I remember rightly, and
went via Alhambra. It was also for New Mexico, so
(17:32):
there's architectural pieces, you know, pain and that was the
basis of that trip. And I suspect now that that
trip was planned all around the fact that I had
to be in and wanted to be in, was going
to be in London no matter what, for my mom's
eightieth birthday at my brother's house in the country, which
is approximately an hour outside of London, an hour and
(17:52):
a half Leasafian an hour and a half Maxwell an
hour and a half outside of London in my brother's home,
and we all congregated on the Saturday for her birthday
celebration on the Sunday, and then we left. So that's that.
The second reason why, probably maybe even the more important
reason than my mom's birthday that I think it's absolute
(18:13):
rubbish is that Prince Andrew the idea of him doing
anything of that nature in my house. That's the size
of this room is so mind blowingly not conceivable to
me as a man or what. I just can't I
can't even know, Marcus, Is there any way that it
could have happened? Maxwell, No, David Marcus Okay, Leisafian described
(18:34):
the physical plan. Maxwell, Oh, the physical So the house
was tiny. I think it's nine hundred square feet in total. Well,
maybe that is that right? Maybe nine? Leisafian, Yes, Maxwell,
it is on three floors, however, so you're talking about little.
It's a jewel. It used to be a stable for
a horse. It was a stable for the big house.
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It was a little poor man's home behind the rich
man's home. It's a jewel. It was a gorgeous little piece.
But it's the size of a nut. If you make
a noise, let's say, a little burp or something you
don't want, you don't hear. It's just where she says
that they had relations in the bathroom. First of all,
the bath is an old Victorian bath. I'm quite small.
(19:16):
It's tight for me. I put my brother in there
to see what would happen, and it looks like a blavette,
which is a sausage, and like a very tight skin.
So her description or whatever the two people were doing
in the tub, that wouldn't work. The bathroom itself is
so small you can't lie flat on the floor, so
it couldn't happen on the floor because you physically physically
(19:37):
can This bathroom is too small to even be on
the floor. And then the kicker of all the kickers
is that because the bathroom was so small, I decorated
it to try to make it look huge, which meant
that I put mirrors the whole way around it. And
that was so fun about being in there is that
you stood in the bathroom, you saw like one hundred
of you, like if you were in Marcus, a funhouse, Maxwell, Yeah,
(20:01):
Alice in Wonderland or one of those things, that you
would see yourself going stretching everything and the image if
you said you were let's say you were Let's say
that redacted was telling the truth. She could say that
she was having sex with five thousand generations of the
royal family, because that's how far back you could see yourself.
There is no way on God's green Earth if that
(20:21):
had taken place that this is something that you would
miss because you couldn't miss it. If you were standing there,
you'd see the whole the FBI, the whole Department of
Justice standing behind you. It's like, no blanche, did you Saffian?
And also, let me just explain where the tap was
in the bathtub. Maxwell, Oh, well, it's an old Victorian
(20:41):
It had a tap. So if you were in, if
you were in the tap top right, this is the tub,
my tap would be here. I think, no Blanche, So
you think it's kind of logistically and physically not something
that could have happened, Glenn Maxwell. While there's that, and
there's just Andrew would he's so English. He had a
tie on, yo. He had a tie on, folks. So
(21:03):
that's the end of it. Because he's wearing a tie,
he couldn't have done this. And furthermore, if Prince Andrew
didn't do this, why didn't his dumbass fight it in court.
Let's go to discovery, prove that she's a liar, and
let's keep it moving. As I've said a million times before,
I'm willing to look at whatever evidence is out there.
If you have evidence that says that Prince Andrew's innocent,
(21:23):
let's see that shit. David Marcus, do you think there's
any way that it could have happened or No? Maxwell?
Absolutely not. Wait, I haven't finished, so on her, Blanche Maxwell? Sorry, Marcus, No,
go ahead, go ahead, Maxwell, I'm sorry, Blanche, go ahead,
Please go ahead and finish? Maxwell? Sorry? Can I finish? Blanche? Okay? Maxwell?
(21:46):
When all this nonsense took place, where this whole story
with the picture and this and that and this bullshit,
I believe that this whole thing was manufactured, and I
can point you to some potentially corroborating evidence of this.
So when she gave the photograph to the FBI in Australia,
Diego Pastana. Just to be clear, the photo you're talking about,
(22:06):
you're talking about this famous one, Glenn Maxwell. Yeah, I
have an image of it here. Who wants to look
at it? Diego Pastana where Andrew is holding redacted and
you're in the background, Maxwell, the fake Just to be clear.
So on the back of that, and this is in
the discovery by the way, I don't know if it's
in I don't know where which discovery I saw it
(22:26):
in now, But she wrote redacted wrote on the back
of it, the picture that was taken in January of
two thousand and on two thousand or two thousand and one,
I don't remember, Blanche okay Maxwell. So now in her
handwriting that she's given the FBI this picture, suddenly now
it's March. How do you go from her writing it's
January to March. It's because only it's the only one
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that could fit with the flight logs that when she
could be in London and this took place. The second
thing is that I'm so excited to tell you this,
there's a journalist. I know you guys are quite well,
I don't know the fake news is at work here.
So there's this journalist called Channon Churcher, there is a
lawyer call Brad Edwards these two, and there is a
(23:10):
Southern District of Florida prosecutor called Villa Fauna. I would
very much look forward to showing you the relationship between
these three parties that created that story. Blanche. Why, well,
without putting aside the relationship, why do you think they
created that story? Maxwell? I believe that story was created
for the purpose of Well, they're multiple. The first one
(23:30):
is financial, the second one is for the purpose of
the CVR case. The third one was for a serialization
both of her book and in the papers, and the
story to attack the royal family. And just so, as
Blanche interrupts her, so I think when when we were
just about to ask about the photo, you said, actually
you thought the photo was fake. Do you think it
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was just misdated or do you think it's a fake,
literally a fake Maxwell. I believe it's literally a fake photo. Blanche.
Why do you think that, Maxwell? Well, first of all,
I don't remember it, Blanche, but you Maxwell, right, Okay,
but the outfit I'm wearing, Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, the outfit
from my mom's birthday party, Blanche. So you don't have
(24:13):
any Do you dispute that they've met each other, David Marcus,
do you know whether they've met each other? Maxwell, I
do not know that they met. She just perjured herself. Again.
I've pointed out now three different times where Maxwell has
perjured herself. But this Justice department just keeps it moving,
doesn't challenge her, doesn't question her, and doesn't do anything
(24:35):
about it. Blanche. Okay, so you think the photograph is fake,
but you also are not even positive they actually ever
met each other. Maxwell, I'm not, Blanche. So you don't
have a specific recollection of kind of being at an
event or a party at your apartment or you know,
you're flat in London with Prince Andrew and a redacted Maxwell.
(24:55):
Absolutely not. David Marcus interjects here because he knows she's
per during herself. She doesn't know one way or the other, Todd,
Blanche understand that, and this is called coaching. In a
real deposition, this doesn't occur. Just take a look at
the other depositions we went through, and look how contentious.
They all are certainly not a friendly tone, like you're
(25:16):
having a cup of tea and chewing on some crumpets. Maxwell.
The reason I'm not hesitant, I just don't have any
memory of that. That's not the issue. The issue is
could Andrew have come to the house to see me
or see Epstein and say hi, and she had been there? Yes,
I can't say that that didn't happen. So why'd you
have a seventeen year old girl with you in England?
(25:36):
Just because? What about all the other photos together? What
about the photos from Zoro Ranch or the other photos
at different properties? Are those all fake? Two? But what
I can absolutely categorically say is that I never, at
any time set Andrew up to have relations with her
or any other human being ever. And I can categorically
state that her characterization of whatever may ormain not have happened.
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Could physically would just know. And Plus I was in
the country, so all of that's just not conceivable. Blanche.
Did you attend did you attend social parties? I really
now am focused on two thousand plus, so not not
the earlier where mister Epstein would host a party or
be a big part of hosting a party and some
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of or many of the young women who were messuses
would be invited to the party as guests or his entertainment.
Why does this guy keep calling people massuses? Our sixteen
year old high school girls massuses? Don't you have to
be like licensed and shit? So he's out here just
talking nonsense once again, has no idea what he's doing,
just floundering around and letting Glaine Maxwell and David Marcus
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lead the dance. Maxwell, I certainly went to his house
when he would have people who would be there. I
called them the way I would think of it, and
I would characterize it where his entourage. That's how I
thought about it, and that certainly was in the later
two thousands. Yes, Blanche, did you attend any weddings of
famous people with mister Epstein? Again, I'm mostly focused on
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post post two thousand, but if there's something that comes
to mind in the nineties, that's fine as well. Maxwell,
a wedding Blanche weddings Maxwell with Epstein. I don't think
I ever went to a wedding with Epstein. I can't
think of a wedding that I ever went to with him, Blanche,
do you know so? Don't you don't remember you didn't
attend President Clinton's daughter's wedding, Maxwell, I did, Blanche Chelsea
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Clinton's Maxwell, Right, Blanche, but that wasn't with mister Epstein. Maxwell, No,
it was with Ted Waite, my boyfriend, Blanche. Say it again,
with Ted Waite, my boyfriend, Blanche. Okay. Do you know
whether mister Epstein was at that wedding, Glenn Maxwell, he
was not. All right, We're gonna wrap up right here,
and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where
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we left off. All of the information that goes with
this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode, we're getting right back to the transcripts from
Glenn Maxwell's DOJ meeting Todd Blanche. Okay, and how did
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you have a relationship? Why did you get invited to
that wedding? Maxwell? Because Ted and the Clinton's were very close, Blanche?
And how were you close to them? Like that was
the reason you were close to them? Maxwell? I met
President Clinton. Well, first of all, I went to the
White House with Epstein once for I think it was
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for a historical like one of those benefits, and I
met the President then, but like a thousand other people
shook his hand. And then after that, I had a
very good friend of mine that was the mayor known
to be the mayor of Miami Beach. Philip Levine. And
Philip and the President were very good friends, and Philip
was very and I were very good friends. So I
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actually was introduced to the president post is coming out
of the White House and can't friendly with them because
of Philip Levine, David Marcus, because of what Glenn Maxwell,
Philip Levine, Blanche, there are some names that have been
publicly associated with mister Epstein that I just want to
ask you if you know about Pierre's Morgan Glenn Maxwell.
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Is he friendly with who? Todd Blanche? Mister Epstein, Glenn Maxwell,
have no idea? Never, I doubt it, Blanche. Yeah, there's
no trick question. I'm trying Maxwell. Okay, Yeah, Blanche, I'm
not suggesting that I know the answer to it. I'm
generally just asking Glen Maxwell. Well, I would be astonished.
I can't imagine they had anything in common either, Blanche.
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How about to that she's cut off Diego pastana cuts
in Were you friends with Pierres Morgan, Glenn Maxwell, I've
met him. I've met him. I met him at an
event in Manhattan. I can't remember what in more recently,
so probably in twenty twelve or thirteen, something like that,
and we had a very nice conversation. So I remember that.
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I remember thinking, I don't remember if I had never
met him before, but I remember thinking how nice he was,
and I was surprised, so I liked him. What can
I tell you? So that's the only one, that's the
only memory I have of that. I'm not sure if
that's correct, but that's what I think, Blanche. I don't
have a correct or incorrect answer. I just want you
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to tell the truth. Maxwell, No, I just don't. I
just want to try, and Blanche, No, I want you
to believe me, because I mean this. There is so
much information in the public sphere. Maxwell. Oh, I see, okay, Blanche,
about you, about mister Epstein and others around, and some
of it is definitely true and some of it is
definitely false. Maxwell, Okay, all right, I guess that, Blanche.
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So when I ask a question, if I think that
you're not being honest or that you're missing something, I'm
not Look, this isn't to get you Maxwell. Okay, I'll
say that to you. Did you ever meet JFK Junior
Glenn Maxwell? I'm sorry, Blanche. Did you ever meet JFK Junior? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche?
When was that? Maxwell? I met him at Andrew Cuomo's wedding. No,
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Carrie's wedding. Carrie's wedding? Who did Carrie Mary? Andrew Cuomo? Sorry, Blanche? Okay,
Maxwell Andrew Cuomo's wedding in Blanche? So then would that
have been approximately Maxwell nineteen ninety Blanche, so before Maxwell
ninety nine. I don't something like that, Blanche, but you
would have been before you met mister Epstein Maxwell. Maybe, yes, Blanche.
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Did you have any sort of professional or social relationship
with JFK Junior? Maxwell? I fancied him, Blanche? You what? Maxwell?
I thought he was very attractive, Blanche. Oh, you fancied
him Maxwell? Sorry, Blanche. Besides him finding him attractive and
fancying him, did you have any sort of, you know,
social relationship with him? Maxwell? I mean we knew each other.
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I thought he was wonderful and fun, and I enjoyed
meeting him. We went out. I want to say we
had a dinner or two. But obviously I was very excited.
But that was it, Blanche. And then Alan Dershowitz. Maxwell,
what's the question with Alan? Blanche? Do you say that again? Maxwell?
What's the question, Blanche? Do you know mister Dershowitz? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
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do you know whether he knew mister Epstein? Do you
know the nature of their relationship? Maxwell? Okay, I definitely
do know Alan. I want him just trying to remember
if I knew him. I'm trying to remember how I
met him, Blanche, okay. And if I met him separate,
I don't remember, Blanche, okay, Maxwell, so that I have
no recollection. I know that he was Epstein's lawyer. I
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don't know if they had any relationship prior to that.
I don't remember. I do Actually, sorry, I think they
met at the same Martha's vineyard through Lynn Forrester. I
think that's what happened. I think that's it, Blanche. Why
do you think that, Maxwell? Because it just popped into
my head. Blanche okay? And did you you said that
mister Dershowitz was mister Epstein's attorney. Do you know whether
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they had socialized? Maxwell? So, my personal memory of when
I remember. I have two distinct memories with Alan. One
is with them and his wife at the island, and
I actually remember that, and I remember, I think going
to his house in Boston, if he had a house
in Boston. That was the only two times I remember, Blanche,
did you ever observe mister Dershowitz doing anything appropriate with
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young women around Epstein? Maxwell? Never, Blanche? Did you ever
hear anybody? Did anybody ever tell you that he had
done anything inappropriate? Maxwell? Absolutely not, Blanche, did you or
do you know, one way or the other whether mister
Dershowitz ever got a massage at the island or any
of the locations that he was at with mister Epstein Maxwell,
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I don't remember anything about him ever getting a massage.
I don't ever have any recollection. I don't believe I
ever even saw him in a bathrobe. I have no
knowledge of that, Blanche. I'm jumping around a little bit.
You mentioned, I think briefly, the Taramar project. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,
what's that? Maxwell? I founded Taromar. Well, the idea of
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Taramar came I think in twenty ten. So I just
want to explain Taramar a little bit. So Ted and
I bought a boat. Well, Ted bought a boat, and
the basis of the boat was to do explorations and
see exploratory stuff. This really started because I have and
have had since I was a child, a love of
the ocean and everything aquatic, and I've always been I'm
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nervous about the state of the ocean. When Ted and
I we worked with National Geographic and we did exploratory
work and the most exciting We did many exciting things,
but one of the most fabulous ones we did was
we looked for Amelia Earhart twice. I did two expeditions
to look for Amelia Earhart as an example of exploration
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that we did. And he had a foundation for the ocean,
and we work with that geo. We worked with woods Hull,
We did amazing things. He bought the Remis six thousands.
So when the plane went missing, the plane that went
was it ur France from Brazil to Paris that went down.
It was the Remiss six thousand that found that plane.
It's one of those deep sea explorers. Anyway, when I
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broke up with Ted, one of the things I did
not want to give up was my love for the
ocean and everything that we did at Taramar, and Genesis
of Taramara came from that. So Taramar obviously means land
and sea. And the story of the ocean is that
Earth really shouldn't be called earth, it should be called
ocean because three quarters of its ocean. So I wanted
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to not clash with anything to do with Ted, because
it was a bit awkward between us, and he took
all the part of the ocean that was close to land,
so within two hundred miles, and so I decided I
would focus on all the part of the ocean that
was outside of national borders, Teramar. And that's how that's
how the genesis of Taramarah came to be, Okay, Blanche,
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So what was the time period of that maxwell I
think after I broke up with Ted, so twenty ten
eleven is when it started. And then I ran it
all the way up until whenever the Epstein drama struck,
and then I just shut it down. Not I shut
it down because I didn't want what was happening to
hurt any of the Smithsonian or nat GEO. So I
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couldn't let everything be hurt by what was happening to me, Blanche.
Do you know Jean Luke Brunel Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, how
do you know him? Maxwell? I met him so when
I told you I was working for the European for
my dad, Blanche, uh huh, and I was in charge Blanche.
So back in the nineties early nineties Maxwell, Yeah, and
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I was running a magazine. One of the things in
the magazine is fashion, and so I was going to
some fashion shows and I was looking for fashion sponsorship.
And in fact, when I came to America, one of
the first sponsors that I got for it was Ron
Perlman at Revlon, who was great. And I met Jean
Luke through just in Paris like that, but socially not.
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She's cut off by Blanche. Did mister Epstein know him
as well? Did you later learn whether they knew each other.
I'm not sure he would have. Epstein had his own
fashion situation, so he didn't meet Jean Luke through me, Blanche.
Did you ever observe them together over the years? Maxwell? Absolutely, Yeah,
I saw them together many times, Blanche. Did he visit
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the island? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche. Did he go to the
Pond Beach House? Maxwell? Yes, he went, Yeah, he went everywhere.
I saw him in every place. Blanche, did you ever
observe him getting a massage or do you know whether
he got a massage? Maybe you didn't observe him personally?
You don't remember Maxwell, I don't know. I mean I never.
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I have no conscious memory of Jean Luke. I would
imagine that he did, but I never. I don't see it, Blanche.
How about mister Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein, Maxwell, what would you
like to know, Blanche? Do you know him? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
how do you know him? Like I guess when I
say how do you know him? Is it a relationship
you had kind of separate from Epstein or did you guys?
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Did you meet him through mister Epstein or both? Maxwell,
I wouldn't say. First of all, I wouldn't say I
had any type of relationship with Harvey Weinstein, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
in any context socially, I would have met him because
I would go to events with Harvey and he would
be there. And also his wife was English back then, Georgina,
and I mean friendly also would be a big word,
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more like acquaintance, and so we would see each other
and I would go to a mirror Max events. There
was a couple of people who work with Harvey, who
I was friendly with. His primary producer, whose name was
Meryl Poster, who I was friendly with. And yeah, Blanche,
do you know whether mister Epstein had his own relationship
with mister Weinstein Maxwell? He did, Blanche? Did they socialize
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together at the island or in Palm Beach or in
New Mexico? Max? I never saw Harvey at any of
Epstein's houses, so socialize. I don't know that they were friends.
I mean, I can't see them together either, I mean literally,
but I know that they certainly do that I would imagine,
and in fact, I think I have a memory, but
I can't that when Harvey was trying to raise money
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for whatever his business was called. I can't remember what
his business was called. Maybe he went there because Epstein
was good at raising money. I just don't know. But
I never saw them. I don't recall seeing Harvey in
any of Epstein's properties, Blanche. So let's take a few
more minutes and take a break. I know it's after lunch.
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So we talked several hours ago about your father and
his business, A little bit after your father passed. Do
you know whether mister Epstein was involved in your family
business that you know of, Maxwell, absolutely not in any respect.
First of all, there was no family business left start
with that problem. And the second one is my family
didn't like him very much and they were busy dealing
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with their own problems, and there was no relationship whatsoever.
I mean, my mom and he got along quite well.
That was it. But that was She's an old lady,
and you know he was nice to her. Blanche where
now being a little repetitive, but you're confident that before
you met mister Epstein, he didn't know your father, and
so there's no he wouldn't have done business with your
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father's companies in the eighties either. Maxwell, absolutely not. I'm
one hundred percent sure of that. I never met him.
I never saw him, I never heard his name, nothing, Blanche.
So there's been a lot of conversation about whether mister
Epstein maintained like a list of people, like a book
of famous people that he knew, like it's called a
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black book, or a client list or a list. Do
you know of the existence of any such list, Maxwell,
There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis
of that story I can actually trace for you from
its absolute inception. If that's what you're interested in, Blanche,
it is. Well, first, you know, to be short, there
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is no list. There's no client list, nothing like that. Maxwell. No,
there is nothing like that, Blanche, that you know of Maxwell,
that I obviously, yeah, Blanche, Right, okay, So you say
you think you know the genesis, So go ahead and
tell us. I'd like you to know that I have
brought some supporting corroborative evidence. Blanche, Well, tell me what
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it is and then we'll get the corroboration. Saphian, Well,
why don't you tell him first? Marcus is this Do
you want to take a break here, because this is long, Blanche,
It's a long story. Maxwell, Yeah, this is long, Blanche. Yeah,
let's take a break. Spencer Horn, all right, the time
is two three, and we're going to take a break
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right now, off the record at two o three. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap this one up right here, and in
the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
back in to Glenn Maxwell's fireside chat with her good
buddy Todd Blanche, Blanche, I don't want you to be burdened.
I want you to just tell the truth the best
you can. So I don't want you to be burdened
by what people said at trial or what you know
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the press says about you. So, Maxwell, I thought that
it was illustrative when you asked me the question, Blanche,
and it was it was Maxwell, because it doesn't I
did not. I absolutely have no memory at any Now
I'm leaving redacted separate to this obviously, Blanche au huh, Maxwell,
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so that's a separate story. I'm not going to pretend, well,
we'll come to her, Blanche, We'll get to her. Go ahead, Maxwell, So, yes,
she but in the terms of the scheme or whatever
however you want to determine what you're calling that, I
have no memory, no act of anything, of having seen
anybody that resembles a young child, let's call it what
it is, at the house giving him a massage at all.
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It's not even like I did this, it's an at all,
And forty four people didn't see me or talk about
me either, including redacted Blanche. And when you say that, house,
Maxwell responds, Oh, sorry pom Beach, Blanche. Yeah, no, I
understand what you mean. But does the same memory or
lack thereof apply to planes in New Mexico in New York? Maxwell, well,
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with some important caveats on that, But Julian Jane in
my trial was clearly underage, clearly a child, and I
only saw her in pom Beach, and I only saw
her with her mother. The other person who's clearly also
not an adult or even close redacted, I believe I
remember her now. That would be the only two or
three whatever that is. Yeah, what about Carolyn? What about Carolyn?
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You know the girl who ended up killing herself after
you and your disgusting egg dick friend Jeffrey Epstein abused her.
What about her? Blanche? So, did you ever know mister
Epstein to communicate with FBI agents, either like intelligence FBI agents,
like as a source, or just generally with FBI agents? Maxwell, No, Blanche,
do you think if he had done that, you would
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have known, like he would have told you something like
that like, if I said to you, mister Epstein was
a source for the FBI, would you say that's crazy? No,
he wasn't, or maybe he was. He wouldn't have told
me that anyway. Maxwell, I have two answers for that.
I think if he was for real, I think he
would have bragged about it to me as a show off,
because he could be a show off. And if he wasn't,
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he might have dropped it like he was cool. And
I don't think I don't remember him doing either. Now,
with again the caveat that before I met him finding money,
I think he may have suggested that there were some
people who helped him. But that's the only context that
I recall that in. For the four hundredth time, Glenne
Maxwell was not the confidant you people think she was.
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She was a She was somebody that was involved in
one portion of Epstein's bullshit. She's not this Rosetta stone.
And the only people that are pitching her like that
are people that are going to benefit from that kind
of narrative, because make no mistake, this whole entire thing
was geared towards you shutting up. That's what the whole
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goal is here. Blanche, What do you mean by that
when you say finding money? What do you mean? Maxwell? Well,
his business where he remember, I told you, Blanche? Uh huh? Maxwell,
I think in that context he showed me a photograph
that he had with some African warlords or something that
he told me. And you know, I get I don't
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remember if that's what I interpreted like that kind of thing,
or whether it was something like that. That's the only
actual active memory I have of something nefarious, well, not nefarious.
I don't even know if it was nefarious, but covert.
I suppose it would be the word blanche. And what
about any other intelligence agency like the CIA, or Defense
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Intelligence or any other law enforcement agency. Maxwell, Okay, I
don't think so. I think that I don't remember anything
like that. I just don't think he had the wherewithal.
And I think the whole aspect of that is, can
I use a bad word, David Marcus, Yes, Blanche? Yes, Maxwell? Bullshit?
Imagine this lady calling anything bullshit. If bullshit could walk,
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if bullshit had two legs, lady, you'd be it. Blanche. Okay,
And what do you think why do you think it's bullshit? Meaning?
What do you mean Marcus, Would you have known if
he was, would he have been bragging to you? Would
he have been saying these things? So none of it
makes sense, right, Maxwell says she knows nothing about Jeffrey Epstein,
nothing about his intimate life, so how would she know
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if he's an intelligence agent? Maxwell, I think, well, sorry,
I think that one of the reasons why he liked
me was because of my you know, my family connections,
and why I liked other people was because they were
cool or whatever. And I think that certainly early when
I met him, he would have tried to impress me
or tried, you know, show off if you will, like
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he was that guy, you know, and he wasn't that guy,
And so I think that he would have tried to
bullshit me, and he didn't. So I think it's to
that she's cut off by Blanche who gets one word in?
Did then he's cut off by Maxwell. Well, he may
have tried to bullshit me, but no, I couldn't, Blanche, right,
Glenn Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche. So I just want to shift
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for a few minutes to talk about post two thousand,
two thousand, to kind of when your relationship changed over
the years with them. Did there come a time when
mister Epstein did meet members of the royal family. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
when was that, Maxwell, So I need to go back
because I think I may have misspoke, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
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I didn't misspeak, but Blanche, Yeah, Okay, go ahead, Maxwell,
it's something I have forgotten, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell. Before I
met Epstein, he lived in London for a period of time,
I don't know for how long, and he met and
he knew some truly fancy people, like people high society
people that included Princess Diana's best friend. Her name was
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Rosa Monkton, and Rose's husband Dominic Lawson, who was a
famous journalist, actually is a very well known journalist. And
when I and he had he was friends with the
Barings Barings Bank, and he had like sort of Blanche,
that was what you're talking about, Maxwell, before he met me,
Blanche before so in Maxwell, the eighties, Blanche eighties, okay, Maxwell,
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he was dating Eva Anderson, Miss Sweden. I think I
don't know when she became Miss Sweden. Blanche, Okay, so
earlier when you said to me that, then later Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
you think he may have met some members of the
royal family or certainly British high society. Maxwell. I don't
know about the royal family, but he certainly met high
society Blanche okay Maxwell. And the reason why I know
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this is because sometimes this is a documentable thing. Whatever,
there's a photograph that can give you the date, because
I don't remember what the date is of this, So
there's something that will peg whatever the date is. I
don't remember when that is. Epstein went to London without me.
He often went everywhere without me, but he was in
London without me, which was decently unusual because London's my hometown. Again,
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he went everywhere without me, did this without me, did
that without me? So what the fuck do you think
Layne Maxwell has to offer to this conversation. But anyway,
he went without me and went to a big event
in I think it was in any Way, it was
a big event. It's on it's on the news, and
it's like there's photographs of it. And I don't know
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if he sat with Diana or he met Diana and
he'd already met her. I don't know, But this I
believe was organized by Rosa and so there's I don't
know if she was being set up for a day
with him, maybe because I don't want to speak so
bad of Diana, but I'm not going to do that, Blanche. Okay,
So that was pre meeting you, Maxwell, No, that was
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that event. Happened when we were Blanche Okay, that was inaudible,
Maxwell and I would sometimes Blanche interrupts her. Understood, Maxwell,
it's when we once again Blanche interrupts her. Okay, Maxwell,
I'm not going to say together. But how about this
when I was his employee. That's a bit better, Todd, Blanche, Okay.
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So now moving back to the two thousands, did there
come a time when mister Epstein met Prince Andrew Maxwell, Yes,
Blanche and others in the royal family or just Prince
Andrew as far as you know, Maxwell, Well, so as
much as I can piece it together, all right. First
of all, let's just state I did not introduce him
to Prince Andrew. I did not introduce them to Prince
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Andrew or to Sarah Ferguson. That's just a flat untruth.
I'll start with that. So now I'm going to tell
you how he did actually meet him. So if you
find that photograph, I can date that time when he
met Princess Diana at that event, and based on that,
I'll be able to tell you if it's pre your
post that event, because I haven't looked it up and
(09:10):
I've never bothered to check. So Lynn Forrester who was
a client or some type of client, or I think
she actually tried to date him or might have dated
him for the record. She was in Do you want
to ask me something, Blanche, No, go ahead, Maxwell. She
had a house or she rented a house in the vineyard.
I think it was in the Vineyard or Nantucket. I
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can't remember now which one it was. It was one
of those. It was either in Nantucket or the Vineyard,
and invited Epstein to go, and I believe that's when
he met Prince Andrew. However, I believe before that event
he had gone to the Bahamas and hung out with
Sarah Ferguson, and Sarah called Epstein and had arranged with
Lynn or I don't know. I don't know now, I'm speculating. Anyway,
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long and short, he met Andrew up there, Blanche, and
I'm not holding you to exact date, but when approximately
it was that, Maxwell, Well, we can date it from
that picture. If you find me the picture, Blanche. But
do you know, without looking at a photo in your mind,
approximately when that was Maxwell. I want to say it
was by two thousand, No, probably two thousand and one,
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two thousand and two, Todd, Blanche, early two thousands, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
And I think it was actually Prince Andrew himself who
suggested that he met Jeffrey Epstein through you. Maxwell. I
think that's true. So well, Leasafian, it's true that Prince
Andrew said that. Maxwell. Yeah, no, I'm sure it's true
(10:37):
because I'm English and my close friends are all close
friends with Sarah and Andrew. And I would not say
that I was close friends with Andrew before, but certainly
we were friendly and certainly as best friends. Some of
them are very close with me. And I think that
my friendship, me being present or me is what made
Andrew like Jeffrey Moore like trust him or I think
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that's the idea, Blanche. So you don't dispute that you're
kind of had a role in them getting together. You're
just saying you didn't say, Prince, here's Jeffrey. Maxwell. I
would never have introduced them. It would never have occurred
to me to introduce them. I couldn't imagine them being
friends to chalk and cheese, would never I mean, for real,
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there's nothing there to connect them, but there is. This
lady's just straight up lying. At this point. Everybody knows
that you and Prince Andrew were playing hide the salami?
Who you kidding? So he met Prince Andrew and then
he had a really good relationship. I don't like that word.
It sounds clunky. They had a friendship. She gets cut
off by Marcus acquaintance ship Maxwell, thank you, and through
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Sarah actually, and just to be clearer during a real deposition,
because that's not what this is. This is a fireside chat.
Marcus couldn't jump in like that and coaches client Maxwell
would just have to answer the questions or plead the fifth.
But considering this is a fireside chat and not a
real deposition, well here you are. I think Sarah's the
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one that pushed that, and they met and they hung out.
I want to say two or three times. That had
nothing to do with me. I wasn't communicating with Andrew,
I wasn't in touch with him. And I know this
because I was annoyed and I felt left out. I
felt disrespected and I was like, this is weird. I
couldn't even imagine Epstein and Andrew together. And I thought
that with Sarah was trying to put the moves on Jeffrey,
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if I'm being honest, and I thought the whole thing
was annoying, and I was pissed off. Everybody's fault but hers, Oh,
it's Sarah Ferguson's fault. I don't know whose fault it is,
but don't look at me. Basically what she's telling us
right Meanwhile, this vile Skuffuza has already been convicted of
these crimes. So at this point, all she's doing is
trying to rewrite the narrative, Blanche, So what happened with
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their relationship? Putting aside the publicity around Prince Andrew's purported
relationship with redacted, what happened as far as you know,
with Prince Andrew and mister Epstein's relationship from the time
you just described or you give me Maxwell, Okay, So
after that, at some point Jeffrey told me. Epstein told
me that Andrew was coming to New York and I
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needed to organize the whole thing. That's classic, by the way,
classic Epstein. Of course, if someone, I'm like, all right, fine, whatever,
and because he wanted to make sure that Andrew was
taken care of and that he was comfortable, he had
whatever he needed, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I'm like, well,
I'm going to meet him or are you just going
to have me do all the job? And he said, well,
you know you can come and say hello, Like wow,
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well that's real nice of you, for real, because you
have to understand, Like, I don't know if I told
you this before, but I did not have the keys
to I was not allowed to go to his house
unless I was summoned or told. I was not allowed
to answer his phone. We can go there, but anyway,
so you can tell there's a bit of a sore point.
Perhaps this lady is unbelievable, and the fact that Blanche
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is just sitting through it, I can't even imagine. Anyway,
So Andrew came and of course the minute we got together,
I was like yay hi. And then it was so
nice because the difference of being in England with Prince
Andrew versus being in New York without all the bullshit
was insane and our friendship just like lit up like
this because, first of all, he knew that I'm safe.
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I mean safe as in I'm not yeah, you know,
Nigel Dempster or taking a picture. I mean not in
a million years would I do something so gross. And
we honestly got on like a house fire. I really
liked him a lot, and it was so nice and
we just became really really good friends, much more so
than when we were in London. If I'm honest, Blanche.
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And then with the respect or adapted in Prince Andrew,
what do you know about that relationship? All right, we're
gonna wrap up right here and in the next episode
we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of
the information that goes with this episode can be found
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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picking up where we left off with Todd Blanche having
tea and crumpets with Glenn Maxwell. Maxwell, what's an even
bigger word than bullshit? Todd Blanche? Okay, why, well go ahead,
but finish that thought. What do you think Maxwell? I'm
going to tell you right now, I'm so happy to
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tell you I'm like excited, beyond excited. So there's been
this mixture of what I've actually seen and know from
the evidence and versus what I've put together. Impossible for
me at this point to separate everything, But I'll tell
you what I know versus what I saw and what
I physically have in here. But it's helpful for you
to know. So the allegations I have to go with
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the allegation. The allegation was that at my house in
London in March whatever that was, two thousand and one.
I believe we went to London, especially so that redacted
could have a or redacted could have a relationship with
Prince Andrew, and she was paid a vast amount of
money for that purpose, okay, And that she then got
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in my bathroom in my house in London and had
sex sexual relations with them, and then went into my
guest room and had full blown sex and then left
my house or he left, and she felt used and disgusting,
and a photograph was taken of them just before all
these events took place in my study. That is what
is the story. Oh and then after that she met
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him several other times, but we'll come to that. This
is where it will allegedly start Leah Safian and they
went to tram maxwell. Oh. Right, we went to a
nightclub that night, we went to dinner. Right, we went
to dinner and then to tram Okay. So the first
thing about that weekend, that specific weekend, was it was
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my mom's eightieth birthday and I was in the country
and I have some corroborating evidence for that and a
lot of testimonial that you can check. So that takes
care of the reason why I won, of the reasons
why her story doesn't hold water. The second reason, so,
by the way, when I say that my mom turned eighty,
that actual weekend was her birthday is on March the eleventh.
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And the reason why I went to London, and I
presume this I don't remember, is why when we were there.
So the whole trip started because of Alberto Pinto, who
is a decorator for the island and for New York
as well, and he wanted Epstein to go and see
what the house in Marrakesh, if I remember rightly, and
went via Alhambra. It was also for New Mexico, so
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there's architectural pieces, you know, pain and that was the
basis of that trip. And I suspect now that that
trip was planned all around the fact that I had
to be in and wanted to be in, was going
to be in London no matter what, for my mom's
eightieth birthday at my brother's house in the country, which
is approximately an hour outside of London, an hour and
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a half Leasafian an hour and a half Maxwell an
hour and a half outside of London in my brother's home,
and we all congregated on the Saturday for her birthday
celebration on the Sunday, and then we left. So that's that.
The second reason why, probably maybe even the more important
reason than my mom's birthday that I think it's absolute
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rubbish is that Prince Andrew the idea of him doing
anything of that nature in my house. That's the size
of this room is so mind blowingly not conceivable to
me as a man or what. I just can't I
can't even know, Marcus, Is there any way that it
could have happened? Maxwell, No, David Marcus Okay, Leisafian described
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the physical plan. Maxwell, Oh, the physical So the house
was tiny. I think it's nine hundred square feet in total. Well,
maybe that is that right? Maybe nine? Leisafian, Yes, Maxwell,
it is on three floors, however, so you're talking about little.
It's a jewel. It used to be a stable for
a horse. It was a stable for the big house.
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It was a little poor man's home behind the rich
man's home. It's a jewel. It was a gorgeous little piece.
But it's the size of a nut. If you make
a noise, let's say, a little burp or something you
don't want, you don't hear. It's just where she says
that they had relations in the bathroom. First of all,
the bath is an old Victorian bath. I'm quite small.
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It's tight for me. I put my brother in there
to see what would happen, and it looks like a blavette,
which is a sausage, and like a very tight skin.
So her description or whatever the two people were doing
in the tub, that wouldn't work. The bathroom itself is
so small you can't lie flat on the floor, so
it couldn't happen on the floor because you physically physically
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can This bathroom is too small to even be on
the floor. And then the kicker of all the kickers
is that because the bathroom was so small, I decorated
it to try to make it look huge, which meant
that I put mirrors the whole way around it. And
that was so fun about being in there is that
you stood in the bathroom, you saw like one hundred
of you, like if you were in Marcus, a funhouse, Maxwell, Yeah,
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Alice in Wonderland or one of those things, that you
would see yourself going stretching everything and the image if
you said you were let's say you were Let's say
that redacted was telling the truth. She could say that
she was having sex with five thousand generations of the
royal family, because that's how far back you could see yourself.
There is no way on God's green Earth if that
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had taken place that this is something that you would
miss because you couldn't miss it. If you were standing there,
you'd see the whole the FBI, the whole Department of
Justice standing behind you. It's like, no blanche, did you Saffian?
And also, let me just explain where the tap was
in the bathtub. Maxwell, Oh, well, it's an old Victorian
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It had a tap. So if you were in, if
you were in the tap top right, this is the tub,
my tap would be here. I think, no Blanche, So
you think it's kind of logistically and physically not something
that could have happened, Glenn Maxwell. While there's that, and
there's just Andrew would he's so English. He had a
tie on, yo. He had a tie on, folks. So
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that's the end of it. Because he's wearing a tie,
he couldn't have done this. And furthermore, if Prince Andrew
didn't do this, why didn't his dumbass fight it in court.
Let's go to discovery, prove that she's a liar, and
let's keep it moving. As I've said a million times before,
I'm willing to look at whatever evidence is out there.
If you have evidence that says that Prince Andrew's innocent,
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let's see that shit. David Marcus, do you think there's
any way that it could have happened or No? Maxwell?
Absolutely not. Wait, I haven't finished, so on her, Blanche Maxwell? Sorry, Marcus, No,
go ahead, go ahead, Maxwell, I'm sorry, Blanche, go ahead,
Please go ahead and finish? Maxwell? Sorry? Can I finish? Blanche? Okay? Maxwell?
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When all this nonsense took place, where this whole story
with the picture and this and that and this bullshit,
I believe that this whole thing was manufactured, and I
can point you to some potentially corroborating evidence of this.
So when she gave the photograph to the FBI in Australia,
Diego Pastana. Just to be clear, the photo you're talking about,
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you're talking about this famous one, Glenn Maxwell. Yeah, I
have an image of it here. Who wants to look
at it? Diego Pastana where Andrew is holding redacted and
you're in the background, Maxwell, the fake Just to be clear.
So on the back of that, and this is in
the discovery by the way, I don't know if it's
in I don't know where which discovery I saw it
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in now, But she wrote redacted wrote on the back
of it, the picture that was taken in January of
two thousand and on two thousand or two thousand and one,
I don't remember, Blanche okay Maxwell. So now in her
handwriting that she's given the FBI this picture, suddenly now
it's March. How do you go from her writing it's
January to March. It's because only it's the only one
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that could fit with the flight logs that when she
could be in London and this took place. The second
thing is that I'm so excited to tell you this,
there's a journalist. I know you guys are quite well,
I don't know the fake news is at work here.
So there's this journalist called Channon Churcher, there is a
lawyer call Brad Edwards these two, and there is a
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Southern District of Florida prosecutor called Villa Fauna. I would
very much look forward to showing you the relationship between
these three parties that created that story. Blanche. Why, well,
without putting aside the relationship, why do you think they
created that story? Maxwell? I believe that story was created
for the purpose of Well, they're multiple. The first one
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is financial, the second one is for the purpose of
the CVR case. The third one was for a serialization
both of her book and in the papers, and the
story to attack the royal family. And just so, as
Blanche interrupts her, so I think when when we were
just about to ask about the photo, you said, actually
you thought the photo was fake. Do you think it
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was just misdated or do you think it's a fake,
literally a fake Maxwell. I believe it's literally a fake photo. Blanche.
Why do you think that, Maxwell? Well, first of all,
I don't remember it, Blanche, but you Maxwell, right, Okay,
but the outfit I'm wearing, Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, the outfit
from my mom's birthday party, Blanche. So you don't have
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any Do you dispute that they've met each other, David Marcus,
do you know whether they've met each other? Maxwell, I
do not know that they met. She just perjured herself. Again.
I've pointed out now three different times where Maxwell has
perjured herself. But this Justice department just keeps it moving,
doesn't challenge her, doesn't question her, and doesn't do anything
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about it. Blanche. Okay, so you think the photograph is fake,
but you also are not even positive they actually ever
met each other. Maxwell, I'm not, Blanche. So you don't
have a specific recollection of kind of being at an
event or a party at your apartment or you know,
you're flat in London with Prince Andrew and a redacted Maxwell.
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Absolutely not. David Marcus interjects here because he knows she's
per during herself. She doesn't know one way or the other, Todd,
Blanche understand that, and this is called coaching. In a
real deposition, this doesn't occur. Just take a look at
the other depositions we went through, and look how contentious.
They all are certainly not a friendly tone, like you're
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having a cup of tea and chewing on some crumpets. Maxwell.
The reason I'm not hesitant, I just don't have any
memory of that. That's not the issue. The issue is
could Andrew have come to the house to see me
or see Epstein and say hi, and she had been there? Yes,
I can't say that that didn't happen. So why'd you
have a seventeen year old girl with you in England?
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Just because? What about all the other photos together? What
about the photos from Zoro Ranch or the other photos
at different properties? Are those all fake? Two? But what
I can absolutely categorically say is that I never, at
any time set Andrew up to have relations with her
or any other human being ever. And I can categorically
state that her characterization of whatever may ormain not have happened.
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Could physically would just know. And Plus I was in
the country, so all of that's just not conceivable. Blanche.
Did you attend did you attend social parties? I really
now am focused on two thousand plus, so not not
the earlier where mister Epstein would host a party or
be a big part of hosting a party and some
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of or many of the young women who were messuses
would be invited to the party as guests or his entertainment.
Why does this guy keep calling people massuses? Our sixteen
year old high school girls massuses? Don't you have to
be like licensed and shit? So he's out here just
talking nonsense once again, has no idea what he's doing,
just floundering around and letting Glaine Maxwell and David Marcus
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lead the dance. Maxwell, I certainly went to his house
when he would have people who would be there. I
called them the way I would think of it, and
I would characterize it where his entourage. That's how I
thought about it, and that certainly was in the later
two thousands. Yes, Blanche, did you attend any weddings of
famous people with mister Epstein? Again, I'm mostly focused on
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post post two thousand, but if there's something that comes
to mind in the nineties, that's fine as well. Maxwell,
a wedding Blanche weddings Maxwell with Epstein. I don't think
I ever went to a wedding with Epstein. I can't
think of a wedding that I ever went to with him, Blanche,
do you know so? Don't you don't remember you didn't
attend President Clinton's daughter's wedding, Maxwell, I did, Blanche Chelsea
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Clinton's Maxwell, Right, Blanche, but that wasn't with mister Epstein. Maxwell, No,
it was with Ted Waite, my boyfriend, Blanche. Say it again,
with Ted Waite, my boyfriend, Blanche. Okay. Do you know
whether mister Epstein was at that wedding, Glenn Maxwell, he
was not. All right, We're gonna wrap up right here,
and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where
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we left off. All of the information that goes with
this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode, we're getting right back to the transcripts from
Glenn Maxwell's DOJ meeting Todd Blanche. Okay, and how did
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you have a relationship? Why did you get invited to
that wedding? Maxwell? Because Ted and the Clinton's were very close, Blanche?
And how were you close to them? Like that was
the reason you were close to them? Maxwell? I met
President Clinton. Well, first of all, I went to the
White House with Epstein once for I think it was
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for a historical like one of those benefits, and I
met the President then, but like a thousand other people
shook his hand. And then after that, I had a
very good friend of mine that was the mayor known
to be the mayor of Miami Beach. Philip Levine. And
Philip and the President were very good friends, and Philip
was very and I were very good friends. So I
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actually was introduced to the president post is coming out
of the White House and can't friendly with them because
of Philip Levine, David Marcus, because of what Glenn Maxwell,
Philip Levine, Blanche, there are some names that have been
publicly associated with mister Epstein that I just want to
ask you if you know about Pierre's Morgan Glenn Maxwell.
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Is he friendly with who? Todd Blanche? Mister Epstein, Glenn Maxwell,
have no idea? Never, I doubt it, Blanche. Yeah, there's
no trick question. I'm trying Maxwell. Okay, Yeah, Blanche, I'm
not suggesting that I know the answer to it. I'm
generally just asking Glen Maxwell. Well, I would be astonished.
I can't imagine they had anything in common either, Blanche.
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How about to that she's cut off Diego pastana cuts
in Were you friends with Pierres Morgan, Glenn Maxwell, I've
met him. I've met him. I met him at an
event in Manhattan. I can't remember what in more recently,
so probably in twenty twelve or thirteen, something like that,
and we had a very nice conversation. So I remember that.
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I remember thinking, I don't remember if I had never
met him before, but I remember thinking how nice he was,
and I was surprised, so I liked him. What can
I tell you? So that's the only one, that's the
only memory I have of that. I'm not sure if
that's correct, but that's what I think, Blanche. I don't
have a correct or incorrect answer. I just want you
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to tell the truth. Maxwell, No, I just don't. I
just want to try, and Blanche, No, I want you
to believe me, because I mean this. There is so
much information in the public sphere. Maxwell. Oh, I see, okay, Blanche,
about you, about mister Epstein and others around, and some
of it is definitely true and some of it is
definitely false. Maxwell, Okay, all right, I guess that, Blanche.
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So when I ask a question, if I think that
you're not being honest or that you're missing something, I'm
not Look, this isn't to get you Maxwell. Okay, I'll
say that to you. Did you ever meet JFK Junior
Glenn Maxwell? I'm sorry, Blanche. Did you ever meet JFK Junior? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche?
When was that? Maxwell? I met him at Andrew Cuomo's wedding. No,
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Carrie's wedding. Carrie's wedding? Who did Carrie Mary? Andrew Cuomo? Sorry, Blanche? Okay,
Maxwell Andrew Cuomo's wedding in Blanche? So then would that
have been approximately Maxwell nineteen ninety Blanche, so before Maxwell
ninety nine. I don't something like that, Blanche, but you
would have been before you met mister Epstein Maxwell. Maybe, yes, Blanche.
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Did you have any sort of professional or social relationship
with JFK Junior? Maxwell? I fancied him, Blanche? You what? Maxwell?
I thought he was very attractive, Blanche. Oh, you fancied
him Maxwell? Sorry, Blanche. Besides him finding him attractive and
fancying him, did you have any sort of, you know,
social relationship with him? Maxwell? I mean we knew each other.
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I thought he was wonderful and fun, and I enjoyed
meeting him. We went out. I want to say we
had a dinner or two. But obviously I was very excited.
But that was it, Blanche. And then Alan Dershowitz. Maxwell,
what's the question with Alan? Blanche? Do you say that again? Maxwell?
What's the question, Blanche? Do you know mister Dershowitz? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
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do you know whether he knew mister Epstein? Do you
know the nature of their relationship? Maxwell? Okay, I definitely
do know Alan. I want him just trying to remember
if I knew him. I'm trying to remember how I
met him, Blanche, okay. And if I met him separate,
I don't remember, Blanche, okay, Maxwell, so that I have
no recollection. I know that he was Epstein's lawyer. I
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don't know if they had any relationship prior to that.
I don't remember. I do Actually, sorry, I think they
met at the same Martha's vineyard through Lynn Forrester. I
think that's what happened. I think that's it, Blanche. Why
do you think that, Maxwell? Because it just popped into
my head. Blanche okay? And did you you said that
mister Dershowitz was mister Epstein's attorney. Do you know whether
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they had socialized? Maxwell? So, my personal memory of when
I remember. I have two distinct memories with Alan. One
is with them and his wife at the island, and
I actually remember that, and I remember, I think going
to his house in Boston, if he had a house
in Boston. That was the only two times I remember, Blanche,
did you ever observe mister Dershowitz doing anything appropriate with
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young women around Epstein? Maxwell? Never, Blanche? Did you ever
hear anybody? Did anybody ever tell you that he had
done anything inappropriate? Maxwell? Absolutely not, Blanche, did you or
do you know, one way or the other whether mister
Dershowitz ever got a massage at the island or any
of the locations that he was at with mister Epstein Maxwell,
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I don't remember anything about him ever getting a massage.
I don't ever have any recollection. I don't believe I
ever even saw him in a bathrobe. I have no
knowledge of that, Blanche. I'm jumping around a little bit.
You mentioned, I think briefly, the Taramar project. Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,
what's that? Maxwell? I founded Taromar. Well, the idea of
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Taramar came I think in twenty ten. So I just
want to explain Taramar a little bit. So Ted and
I bought a boat. Well, Ted bought a boat, and
the basis of the boat was to do explorations and
see exploratory stuff. This really started because I have and
have had since I was a child, a love of
the ocean and everything aquatic, and I've always been I'm
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nervous about the state of the ocean. When Ted and
I we worked with National Geographic and we did exploratory
work and the most exciting We did many exciting things,
but one of the most fabulous ones we did was
we looked for Amelia Earhart twice. I did two expeditions
to look for Amelia Earhart as an example of exploration
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that we did. And he had a foundation for the ocean,
and we work with that geo. We worked with woods Hull,
We did amazing things. He bought the Remis six thousands.
So when the plane went missing, the plane that went
was it ur France from Brazil to Paris that went down.
It was the Remiss six thousand that found that plane.
It's one of those deep sea explorers. Anyway, when I
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broke up with Ted, one of the things I did
not want to give up was my love for the
ocean and everything that we did at Taramar, and Genesis
of Taramara came from that. So Taramar obviously means land
and sea. And the story of the ocean is that
Earth really shouldn't be called earth, it should be called
ocean because three quarters of its ocean. So I wanted
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to not clash with anything to do with Ted, because
it was a bit awkward between us, and he took
all the part of the ocean that was close to land,
so within two hundred miles, and so I decided I
would focus on all the part of the ocean that
was outside of national borders, Teramar. And that's how that's
how the genesis of Taramarah came to be, Okay, Blanche,
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So what was the time period of that maxwell I
think after I broke up with Ted, so twenty ten
eleven is when it started. And then I ran it
all the way up until whenever the Epstein drama struck,
and then I just shut it down. Not I shut
it down because I didn't want what was happening to
hurt any of the Smithsonian or nat GEO. So I
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couldn't let everything be hurt by what was happening to me, Blanche.
Do you know Jean Luke Brunel Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, how
do you know him? Maxwell? I met him so when
I told you I was working for the European for
my dad, Blanche, uh huh, and I was in charge Blanche.
So back in the nineties early nineties Maxwell, Yeah, and
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I was running a magazine. One of the things in
the magazine is fashion, and so I was going to
some fashion shows and I was looking for fashion sponsorship.
And in fact, when I came to America, one of
the first sponsors that I got for it was Ron
Perlman at Revlon, who was great. And I met Jean
Luke through just in Paris like that, but socially not.
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She's cut off by Blanche. Did mister Epstein know him
as well? Did you later learn whether they knew each other.
I'm not sure he would have. Epstein had his own
fashion situation, so he didn't meet Jean Luke through me, Blanche.
Did you ever observe them together over the years? Maxwell? Absolutely, Yeah,
I saw them together many times, Blanche. Did he visit
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the island? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche. Did he go to the
Pond Beach House? Maxwell? Yes, he went, Yeah, he went everywhere.
I saw him in every place. Blanche, did you ever
observe him getting a massage or do you know whether
he got a massage? Maybe you didn't observe him personally?
You don't remember Maxwell, I don't know. I mean I never.
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I have no conscious memory of Jean Luke. I would
imagine that he did, but I never. I don't see it, Blanche.
How about mister Weinstein, Harvey Weinstein, Maxwell, what would you
like to know, Blanche? Do you know him? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
how do you know him? Like I guess when I
say how do you know him? Is it a relationship
you had kind of separate from Epstein or did you guys?
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Did you meet him through mister Epstein or both? Maxwell,
I wouldn't say. First of all, I wouldn't say I
had any type of relationship with Harvey Weinstein, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
in any context socially, I would have met him because
I would go to events with Harvey and he would
be there. And also his wife was English back then, Georgina,
and I mean friendly also would be a big word,
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more like acquaintance, and so we would see each other
and I would go to a mirror Max events. There
was a couple of people who work with Harvey, who
I was friendly with. His primary producer, whose name was
Meryl Poster, who I was friendly with. And yeah, Blanche,
do you know whether mister Epstein had his own relationship
with mister Weinstein Maxwell? He did, Blanche? Did they socialize
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together at the island or in Palm Beach or in
New Mexico? Max? I never saw Harvey at any of
Epstein's houses, so socialize. I don't know that they were friends.
I mean, I can't see them together either, I mean literally,
but I know that they certainly do that I would imagine,
and in fact, I think I have a memory, but
I can't that when Harvey was trying to raise money
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for whatever his business was called. I can't remember what
his business was called. Maybe he went there because Epstein
was good at raising money. I just don't know. But
I never saw them. I don't recall seeing Harvey in
any of Epstein's properties, Blanche. So let's take a few
more minutes and take a break. I know it's after lunch.
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So we talked several hours ago about your father and
his business, A little bit after your father passed. Do
you know whether mister Epstein was involved in your family
business that you know of, Maxwell, absolutely not in any respect.
First of all, there was no family business left start
with that problem. And the second one is my family
didn't like him very much and they were busy dealing
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with their own problems, and there was no relationship whatsoever.
I mean, my mom and he got along quite well.
That was it. But that was She's an old lady,
and you know he was nice to her. Blanche where
now being a little repetitive, but you're confident that before
you met mister Epstein, he didn't know your father, and
so there's no he wouldn't have done business with your
(40:22):
father's companies in the eighties either. Maxwell, absolutely not. I'm
one hundred percent sure of that. I never met him.
I never saw him, I never heard his name, nothing, Blanche.
So there's been a lot of conversation about whether mister
Epstein maintained like a list of people, like a book
of famous people that he knew, like it's called a
(40:42):
black book, or a client list or a list. Do
you know of the existence of any such list, Maxwell,
There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis
of that story I can actually trace for you from
its absolute inception. If that's what you're interested in, Blanche,
it is. Well, first, you know, to be short, there
(41:02):
is no list. There's no client list, nothing like that. Maxwell. No,
there is nothing like that, Blanche, that you know of Maxwell,
that I obviously, yeah, Blanche, Right, okay, So you say
you think you know the genesis, So go ahead and
tell us. I'd like you to know that I have
brought some supporting corroborative evidence. Blanche, Well, tell me what
(41:24):
it is and then we'll get the corroboration. Saphian, Well,
why don't you tell him first? Marcus is this Do
you want to take a break here, because this is long, Blanche,
It's a long story. Maxwell, Yeah, this is long, Blanche. Yeah,
let's take a break. Spencer Horn, all right, the time
is two three, and we're going to take a break
(41:44):
right now, off the record at two o three. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap this one up right here, and in
the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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