Mega Edition: Transcripts From The DOJ's Sit Down With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 15-17) (12/29/25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with Glen Maxwell and to fireside
chat with the DOJ Todd Blanche. And I think I
know the answer is given what you just said about
Bill Barr, but did you ever hear any from mister
Epstein or anybody else that Bill Barr had any role

(00:22):
in mister Ebstein getting a good plead deal in Florida
or any role in that process with mister Acosta Maxwell.
I'd never heard that, Blanche. I think you said this
in an interview. But if I'm wrong, forgive me. Do
you have a view of mister Epstein of whether he
committed suicide or whether something else happened to this? David
Marcus interrupts. Can we take a break, Blanche? You want

(00:45):
to take a break? David Marcus? Yeah, sure, Blanche, Yeah,
we can take a break. Sure. Actually, it's a good
time to take a break anyway, because it's to be
the last one of the day. Yo. If I'm ever
in trouble for anything, I hope that Todd Blanche is
the one giving me a deposition. Holy shit, Spencer horn
All right, So we're going to take a break. It's

(01:06):
two fifty three Thursday July twenty fourth. Horn. We're continuing
with the recorded proffer of miss Maxwell. The time is
now three ten pm, Thursday July twenty fourth. Blanche, my
colleagues alerted me to a couple of questions. I think
I may have forgotten to ask you. One is sorry,
I'm just going through my notes. Well, we talked a

(01:26):
few minutes ago about this birthday book that there is
press about. I understand you don't remember anything with President
Trump or a lot about the book anyway. Do you
remember asking President Trump to submit a letter for that? Maxwell?
I do not, Blanche. And do you remember would you
have been the one to do that or could somebody else?
Would somebody else have done it? Maxwell? I did ask

(01:49):
some people. I don't remember, mister Trump. I don't remember
who I did ask. But Epstein also ask people himself directly, Maxwell,
So it could have happened that way. If it happened
that all, Blanche, where is that? And to this FBI agent,
Diego Pistana interrupts, You mentioned a hud Barack Maxwell, Yeah,

(02:09):
Diego Pistana, what was his involvement? Maxwell? This would have
been in the later two thousands, So I do not
know how they met, but I do know that day.
I don't know if friendly would be the right word.
I don't know that, but I know that they saw
each other, and only because my father. You know, anything
that touches Israel or the state of Israel, I'm always
interested in because my father loved Israel, and so I

(02:32):
pay attention to it, and we have ties to you know,
to Israel, Yeah, you sure do. And your father was
interested in Israel. No, he was an asset working with Israel.
But like Jeffrey Epstein, Robert Maxwell was only really loyal
to the Almighty Buck Blanche when you said it was later, though,

(02:52):
Maxwell interrupts them ties meaning friends and family relations. Blanche
was the prime Minister, was mister Barrock Prime Brock. Do
you know what the nature of his relationship was with
mister Epstein, Maxwell, I don't, Blanche. Do you know were
they ever with them together? Maxwell? I think I met.
I have a memory of meeting Ahood, but I don't

(03:14):
know if he was with Epstein or I don't remember.
I just know that I did see him, and I'm
trying and struggling to remember the context around it. But
I'm sure it happened, but it must have been very brief,
because I don't have any serious memory of it, any
like deep memory of that, Blanche, And maybe this is obvious,
Maxwell cuts him off. And maybe it comes also because

(03:36):
I've read it in the press. That may be something
that brought it to my memory, so that I mean,
I think the press has been very contaminating, So it's
hard sometimes to separate those stories from your memory. Sometimes,
Oh give me a break. So you don't know if
something happened or not. What do you have dementia? Are
you suffering from the same illness that Bruce Willis had?

(04:00):
A phasia? Or whatever the hell it's called. And isn't
it ironic? Zachlainne Maxwell seems to have a great memory
about everything Virginia, but a bad memory about everything else. Blanche,
do you know a British gymnast by the name of
Heather Man Maxwell? Yes, Blanche did she? Maxwell cuts him off.
I didn't know she was a gymnast, Blanche. Oh, okay,

(04:22):
I'm reading something that says she was a gymnast, but
please don't assume that that's correct. This is based upon
my words So the deputy director of the FBI has
no fucking idea who this person is that he's asking about.
So what are you asking about in the first place?
Just throwing out names? Maxwell? Okay, Blanche, did she ever

(04:42):
travel with you or a mister Epstein? Maxwell? I think yeah,
she did. Actually, I think that she might have been
one of mister Epstein's girlfriends at one point. Blanche. Again,
I know we're talking about time periods that are vast.
What time period would have that been, like two thousand, Maxwell, Well,
I want to say, I don't know. It could have

(05:02):
been the nineties, could have been the nineties, I don't know.
But I mean, listen, there are people that pop out
of the woodwork all the time. I just saw one
on TV saying she was his girlfriend in ninety three
or ninety four. So I mean, he's obviously been very
busy Lea Safian or she's lying Glenn Maxwell, or there's

(05:22):
that Blanche. Did someone named Mark Middleton? Maxwell? Yes, I
remember him, Blanche? Who was that? Maxwell? He was in
mister Clinton's administration. President Clinton's administration, I think, Blanche. And
how do you know him? Maxwell? Well, I met him,
and that is I met him through mister Epstein, Blanche,

(05:42):
and do you know was he from what you observed?
Was he a friend or a business acquaintance of mister Epstein? Maxwell,
I mean I only saw him a handful of times,
but I did see him with him. I mean he
see him friendly. I don't know if I would characterize
I mean, only having seen him briefly, I don't know
how to characterize that, Blanche. Do you know whether he
liked flu on airplanes with mister Epstein? Did he visit

(06:05):
the island? Do you know anything about that or their
relationship as it relates to that, Maxwell, I don't have
any recollection of seeing Mark Middleton at the island, Blanche.
How about former US Senator George Mitchell Maxwell? Yeah, I
do remember George, Blanche. What do you remember about him? Maxwell?
I traveled with him. We went to the most memorable affair.

(06:28):
I went too well. I was friendly with his wife,
start with that with Heather. And Heather was in New York,
so I hung out with her a few times, we
had dinner. I was just friendly, I would say, separately
with separately from her husband. I was friends with Heather.
I met Heather through her husband, but we became friends. Blanche,
you became friends with Heather Maxwell. Heather, Yes, Blanche was

(06:49):
mister Epstein friends with mister Mitchell Maxwell, Yes, Blanche. Did
they travel together besides New York? Did they travel to
the island or to New Mexico? Maxwell, I don't ever
remember George ever at the island. But the most memorable
trip I do recall with Senator was to Italy. Blanche
was to wear Maxwell to Italy. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, we

(07:11):
went to Rome, Blanche as the four of you, So
Heather and mister Mitchell and you and mister Epstein. Maxwell.
That's my recollection, Blanche, And what were you there for? Maxwell? Well,
the most memorable aspect of the trip is that we
went to the Vatican. It was extraordinary. The most extraordinary
thing was going to the archives and holding Henry the

(07:34):
eighth document to the Pope asking for his divorce. Blanche.
Do you know the former president of Columbia Andrews. Pastrana? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche,
how do you know him? Maxwell? I met Pastrana in
a pub in Dublin, Blanche, And did he travel with
mister Epstein that you know? Maxwell? I don't know. I
don't know if he was ever on the plane. I

(07:56):
don't know if he ever. I don't think he ever
came to the island. But I went to places with
Andrews Pastrana. One was to Columbia and Epstein came to that,
and the other was to Cuba, and Epstein and Pastrana
I think was there, Blanche? And what were the purposes
of traveling to Columbia then Cuba? Maxwell. I'm a helicopter
pilot and Andrews is a helicopter pilot and we just

(08:19):
became friends, and I flew a Blackhawk in Columbia. Blanche,
and how about Cuba? Maxwell, I have a friend of
mine who was the cigar distributor for Monte Cristo. Maybe
I can't remember which cigar it was, and so we
went there and he organized the trip and we met
Fidel Castro. Blanche. One was that approximately Maxwell had to

(08:41):
be two thousand and two, two thousand and three, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
something like that. I think Blanche. There's some more names
that we might talk about tomorrow with the same type
of questions, But as far as a catch all, there's
been a tremendous amount of public information about all kinds
of names, including some of the folks we talked about
today in their relationship with mister Epstein, and or you,

(09:05):
for any of the folks that we've talked about today,
did you observe them doing anything improper with mister Epstein,
whether with messuses or with women who were or girls
who were traveling, or at the residence that they were at,
or at the parties that they were at. Maxwell, I
did not ever, at any time see that. You know
else didn't see it. Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller, Todd

(09:29):
Blanche and for any of the names we've talked about today,
and then tomorrow we'll talk about some more. But for today,
do you recall having any conversations with anybody else where
they reported to you that they had seen something that
one of these individuals had done, whether someone else that
works with mister Ebstein or somebody that observes something Maxwell,

(09:49):
if anybody had ever reported anything, First of all, the
answer to that is no. And also I just want
to be clear that had anybody ever reported anything illegal
or disgusting like that, I would have immediately done something, Yeah,
like get involved, right, like help out, like molest the
girls with Jeffrey Epstein. You sick degenerate fuck and I

(10:10):
never heard it. I never saw it, and no one
ever ever complained to me or tears, nothing like that, Blanche, Okay,
all right, So we took a break when we were
talking about mister Epstein and his death. So mister Epstein
and his death. So you were not obviously at the
MCC during that time, correct, Maxwell, I was not, Blanche.

(10:31):
So you're going to tell us what you believe, but
just I just want to make sure I understand your
basis for a belief is kind of what you've read
and seen and your knowledge of mister Epstein for the
many years you knew him, knew him, right, Maxwell? And
actually there's a third component, Blanche, okay. Maxwell. The answer
to that is yes, Blanche okay. Maxwell. And there's a

(10:52):
third component that which is having experienced now the mismanagement
and inefficiencies in total dereliction of duty at the Bureau
of Pridgin Blanche from BOP, from the Bureau of Prisons, Maxwell, Yes,
Blanche okay, fair, Okay. Meanwhile, Blanche, mind, you is in
control of the BOP, That's right, the DOJ in control, Okay,

(11:15):
So you know I want to what I do want
to do is be careful, you know, asking you to speculate,
because anybody can do that, and I don't think that's
fair to you or anybody else to ask you to
give us your kind of opinion. But do you think
that the third point you say, which is kind of
a failure by the BOP, there's been a lot. There's
been the OIG report, there's the SDNY investigation about that.

(11:37):
So you think he was he did not die by
suicide given all the things we just talked about, Maxwell,
I do not believe he died by suicide, No, Blanche.
And do you believe that? Do you have any speculation
or review of who killed him? Maxwell? I don't, Blanche,
And I asked that because if you don't believe that
there's any truth to the allegations of blackmail, or he

(12:00):
had kind of a list, or that he had reasons
to have people hate him, why would somebody kill him?
In prison? Maxwell? In prison where I am, they will
kill you, or they will pay somebody or pay a
prisoner to kill you for twenty five dollars worth of commissary.
That's about the going rate for a hit with a
lock today. No, it's not. That's a lie, right, there too.
Can you point to me anybody who's been hit at

(12:22):
the Tallahassee Federal Prison for Women who's been killed there? Oh,
that's right, nobody, Blanche. So that goes to the third reason,
which is kind of mismanagement Maxwell, yes, Blanche, or the
short fallings or the shortcomings of the Bureau of Prisons Maxwell, yes, Blanche,
which is a little bit different from my question, which is,

(12:44):
do you think there was somebody on the outside of
the prison, So putting aside what could have happened on
the inside, on the outside of prison, who wanted him
dead so badly that he would have or she would have,
you know, caused him to be killed on the inside.
I don't see that. I think is it possible. Of
course it's possible, but I don't know of any reason why.

(13:05):
And I don't believe in the blackmail or any of this.
I don't think Epstein had a hit on him like that.
If it's indeed murder, I believe it was an internal situation, Blanche. Yeah,
So you don't have any reason, you know, first hand
knowledge or even speculation. It sounds like to think that
he was if that he was killed to kind of
silence him or to keep him from going public about

(13:27):
people he knew about. Maxwell, I don't know, because I
think that that's just part of the story that's been
created that started in two thousand and eight and two
thousand and nine. So yeah, all the other coincidences that happened,
just coincidences. Folks, camera's going down guard sleeping, no one
watching them. Ignore all of that and just listen to
what I say. That's what the narrative is, Blanche, Okay, Yeah,

(13:52):
I mean that's the point. Like, I don't want I
don't think there's value in talking. You know, there's been
a lot of talking, a lot of information about what happened,
you know, at the MCC. But what is important to
me is whether you know is the idea that he
didn't die by suicide, that's one thing. But if to
the extent that folks believe that he was murdered to
keep him quiet or because he had information on rich

(14:15):
and powerful people, do you have any reason to believe
that's what's true? Maxwell. I don't have any reason to
believe that, And I also think it's ludicrous because if that,
I also happen to think if that is what they wanted,
they would have had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't
in jail, he was still useful then, Glaine, and I thought,
you weren't around him for all these years, So how

(14:36):
do you know what he was up to? This whole
entire thing is straight up gobbage, hot, wet gabbage. And
if they were worried about blackmail or anything from him,
he would have been a very easy target in the time.
So we've talked about a lot of time, all the
way up through twenty nine and ten and the time
after mister Epstein was arrested. When's the last time you

(14:59):
spoke with him, Glenn Maxwell, Maybe twenty sixteen, seventeen fifteen
in that area, I believe, Blanche. And when you're thinking
about the last time that you had talked, been talking
to him a lot and then you stopped or was
that a one off time? It was infrequent at that point, Maxwell,
I really wasn't in communication. The only communications I had

(15:21):
with him was in with regards to the civil suits,
the civil suits that I found myself in, the defamation
suit I found myself in. I needed help, I needed information,
and I didn't have what I needed. And so that
was really what it was that's what drove it was
me trying to get myself out of this situation, which
ultimately led to where I am today. When all of that,

(15:43):
I don't remember even if I stopped talking to him
before that. I think I thought he was angry with
me anyway, he didn't like what I did, and I
wasn't interested in what he had to say to me.
And Todd Blanche cuts her off. What did you think
he was angry with you about? Maxwell? I think he
was angry that I had even said that I had
referred to her being a liar. He said, I should

(16:05):
not have said anything, but Blanche when the civil suits
that were ongoing before mister Epstein's death. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
did your lawyers coordinate with his lawyers, like in discovery
and things like that or anything? Maxwell? I don't think
we coordinated. I'm not sure. Todd Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I
don't want to misspeak. There was some degree of communication,

(16:27):
for sure, I just don't know the degree that took place.
So definitely, I mean I was definitely hoping for him
to be more helpful, and I was definitely Coordinating is
not a good word because that sounds like I was
trying to align myself. That's not where we were going here.
But I was definitely trying to get help, as in
documents or information that I could use to defend myself.

(16:49):
That's one hundred percent true. And the degree to which
that took place, I don't recall. There was definitely some
of that, though I don't want to mislead you. All Right,
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. All
of the information that goes with this episode can be
found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome

(17:11):
to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
we're getting right back to the Glenn Maxwell fireside chat
with the DOJ Blanche and we touched on this earlier,
But I just want I don't think we really ran
into ground maybe as much as we could, like going
up through that time. You know, so in the sixteen

(17:32):
seventeen eighteen up until the time he's arrested, had your
review or your understanding of what had happened changed, Meaning
did you believe that in the late nineties or earlier
two thousands, when he started, you know, behaving much differently,
do you believe what you were hearing about him at
that point. Maxwell my view, I didn't like the people
he was with anyway. So I don't find how do

(17:54):
I say this, I like people who are my age
or older. I don't find the society of or the
companionship of younger people who are young people, I suppose,
is really that enjoyable. So I don't like the company
that he chose to be with, and so I was
just I find it boring and fundamentally uninteresting. That's probably

(18:15):
the nicest way I can say it, Blanche. Okay, So
I think what we should do is spend a few
minutes talking about tomorrow. Everything was great today. I think
that it was very helpful, and I appreciate you trying
to be as complete as you can. I think tomorrow.
You've said a few things today about materials you've brought.
When we're done, we will give you a few minutes

(18:36):
with mister Marcus if there's things that you want to
show them that you think we should see. Like I said,
I'm not asking you to corroborate anything. If I was
asking you to corroborate something, I would tell you. But
if there's something you think that you don't think that
the government is seen or you think that is important
for me to see that. Mister Marcus know and he

(18:56):
can share it with me. Tomorrow will certainly have some
follow on questions when we all think about tonight, and
I think you will too, And you know, we can
all think about stuff we've talked about. We've covered a
lot of different areas. I do want to talk about
more with you. So by design today we wanted to
focus on mister Epstein and talk about you know, kind

(19:16):
of well everything under the sun, and we've gone through today.
I do think it's important when we all evaluate what
you've said today and kind of your story to understand
to also understand why you're here, right, Yeah, Well she's
there because she's a child molester. Todd fucking Blanche. Is
this guy for real? Or what? Imagine it was your
kid that was molested? And then you read this transcript

(19:39):
and the way that Todd Blanche is dealing with this.
So you were indicted, you were charged. You want a trial,
and I want to do that in a way that
gives you an opportunity to kind of say your piece,
or to say what you haven't said before. She had
that opportunity. She didn't take the stand, But now you're
going to open it back up for Todd Blanche and

(19:59):
give her the opportunity once again. Why because you find
it helpful politically? What an absolute coward, just another clown
whose history is not going to remember kindly. But also
understanding that there were people who took the witness stand
and swore to tell the truth and testified about you
and what you did and what they think you saw

(20:20):
and what they heard you say. I said to mister Marcus,
I'm not trying to create kind of she said situation
or he said, she said situation. But I do want
to hear from you about your conduct because it's important,
I think, for when we evaluate what you say and
how you say it and your recollection of things. Also
to talk about that translation. We want to give you

(20:42):
a chance to set the record straight and tell the
world what really happened, give the world your truth. Never
mind the girls that got up on the stand and
gave testimony about Maxwell molesting them. Let's just forget about
all that. So we're going to we'll do that tomorrow.
I want to talk about, you know, the circumstance it's
leading up to your arrest. There's a lot I think
misinformation out there, a lot of information out there. I

(21:05):
don't know whether there is misinformation, but about the time
from you know, twenty nineteen up until the time that
you were arrested, and like I said, that'll take us
through lunch tomorrow and then we'll be done. I don't
have a plan. I didn't know that I was coming
here until this week. Okay, so I'm not we don't
have like a schedule of what happens next or what happens.

(21:28):
But that's not a negative thing. I'm just saying, so
you shouldn't take the lack of an next step as
anything other than we don't have an X step yet.
So Maxwell, may I say something Blanche? Of course, yes.
I would just like to put out there that I
also focused on how I think the President got swept
into some of this unnecessarily, by the way, And I'm

(21:48):
not a conspiracy theorist, and I certainly don't subscribe to
all of that all of everything that I see, but
I do believe that there is an atomis in some
areas that may have contributed to how the use of
the president to harm and I find that deeply offensive. Oh,
this is fucking almost too much. This is almost too
much to even deal with. I hope they have a
good medical facility at Brian because here up well, Glottis

(22:10):
is going to be inflamed from all this glizzy guzzling.
And whilst I can't obviously say definitively that that is
what it is, I would like to show you what
I see so that you can evaluate it and do
with that as you see fit. It needs to be addressed.
I've seen it. It struck me, and I would like
to give it to you, Blanche, Sure, Maxwell, for what

(22:33):
it's worth. It ain't worth shit, just like Todd Blanche,
one of the biggest cowards in the history of the
Epstein saga at this point. That's right, Todd Blanche, absolute coward. Maxwell.
Does that seem something that I can Blanche? Yeah, that's fine, Yeah, Maxwell,
of course I don't like that, Blanche. Okay, that's fine,

(22:53):
that's great. So why don't we stop for today. I'll
give you a little bit of time to chat and
then see you in the morning. Spencer Horne. This will
conclude the recorded profit interview for Thursday, July twenty fourth.
We will continue tomorrow Friday, July twenty fifth. The time
is three thirty four. All right. Then moving into the
next day, which is July twenty fifth, we have all

(23:16):
the same people involved. It'll be Todd Blanche asking the
questions and the bipedal serpent doing the answering. Todd Blanche,
Good morning, Miss Maxwell. How are you Maxwell? Good morning, Blanche.
Good So the profit agreement we signed yesterday, there's a
place on it for us to all kind of initial
It's exactly the same document, and you'll see your signature

(23:38):
if you can just initial right to the left, right here, Maxwell, here, Blanche,
right here, Blanche, thank you, And just a kind of
before we get going, I'll just say exactly the same
folks that we're here when we met yesterday or here today.
So I'm not going to do formal introductions because it's
exactly the same group of folks. So we're continuing, miss Maxwell,

(24:01):
our discussion of yesterday, and the same kind of rules apply.
Will take breaks. If you need to talk to mister
Marcus or your lawyer's absolutely no problem. Just let me know.
I'll try to ask my question in a coherent manner.
But if there's anything that I say that's confusing, definitely
interrupt me. Maxwell, I will thank you, Blanche. So I

(24:21):
think the easiest thing to start with is there anything
that we talked about yesterday? We're going to go through
some more names. I think that's one of the places
that we interrupted, just because there is a lot of names.
But aside from additional names, is there anything that you
wanted to kind of follow up on that we talked
about yesterday or anything that you thought maybe you remember

(24:42):
more of or not. Maxwell, Some more names did come
to me in the night, and I did have some
additional memories. Just for clarity, I believe. I said that
I couldn't think of anybody who I may have asked
from maur A Lago. But then I realized that I
was the allegation at least is that I met redacted
in mar A Lago, and so I felt that I

(25:03):
needed to address that. I didn't want to leave that hanging,
because that seems weird under the circumstances. You know what
you were doing, and she knew she perjured herself, and
I called it out when it happened, didn't I. So
what happened was she went back and old Marcus told
her that she fucked up, so she wanted to get
the record straight today. And also I couldn't remember anyone.

(25:24):
Maybe you know, it's a long period of time. So
the issue is not that I'm trying not to say,
but I don't remember anybody that I would have. But
it's not impossible that I might have asked someone from there.
You were in the middle of a fucking contentious lawsuit
of Virginia for how long you don't remember you don't
remember where you met her? Okay, sure we all believe that, Blanche.

(25:47):
I don't know exactly what you said yesterday, but I
don't think what you said yesterday is different than what
you just said Maxwell. Okay, I just wanted I just
didn't want you to feel that I had said notice
something that she's cut off. Blanche redacted definitely has said
that she was working at mar A Lago at the time,
she received a treatment from her at some point, and

(26:08):
that you recruited her to meet mister Epstein. Maxwell Wright. No,
no treatment. She was a SPA attendant, not a masseuse.
Fucking Todd. Blanche doesn't even have the story correct. Blanche,
do you know affirmatively whether that's true or false, or
do you just not have a memory either way. Maxwell,
I really don't believe it's true. But I know that

(26:28):
I did go to SPAS and if I met someone,
I did ask if they're indiscernible. In the realm of possibility,
it could have, but I have no memory of it. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
and I don't believe that it's how it went down,
But I don't want to. Blanche interrupts her. Okay, So
I want to talk about We talked a little bit
yesterday about the financial part of your relationship with Epstein,

(26:52):
kind of being on the payroll for lack of a
better word, for many years, many years, starting around twenty
five thousand and ending up around two hundred and fifty
thousand per year. As you know from your trial, there's
banking information that shows a ton of money being sent
to you from mister Epstein over the years, and I
think totally something like thirty million something like that. Why

(27:13):
was that money sent to you? Like, what was that for? Maxwell? Well,
first of all, I dispute the characterization that the money
was sent to me. Oh, okay, you dispute it. Huh,
we have the fucking records. She doesn't even admit to this. Blanche. Okay,
so tell me. I'm stuck with the witnesses at trial
and what was set at trial on that issue? What

(27:36):
is what do you dispute about? That? Is this real
life right now? So next time when there's an issue
going on, I want to make sure that, say el
Mayo is getting the same exact kind of treatment. El
Mayo should be sat down with Prawford and we should
get hit side of the story, right, I mean, this
is the Blanche way after all. Maxwell, Well, I believe

(27:58):
I don't have full recollection. I'm not even sure I
ever saw what they accused me of. But my belief
is that that money also contained money that was for
a helicopter, for instance, that I never owned and was
never mine, Marcus. In other words, money was sent to
you and then used to purchase things. Maxwell, Well, I'm
not even sure what I purchased. So the accounts, those
accounts would be controlled by his accountants, Blanche, even accounts

(28:21):
in your name, you're saying, or one of your entities. Maxwell,
I'm not sure I knew all of the entities. This
is unbelievable. I cannot wait till we're done reading through this.
I have to take a Bath and Bleach. After listening
to this bullshit, I'm not I don't. Maybe I did contemporaneously,
but I simply wouldn't know today. So if there was

(28:43):
an entity, let's say, an account X, if I really
set that up myself, or whether they said we're doing
this and the money's coming or whatever, but in no
substantative way. I can't think of the right word. So
you were engaged in tax fraud. You were defrauding the
American government, That's what you were doing. Thirty million dollars.
She has no idea where any of it came from

(29:04):
or how it was spent. Huh. Okay, David Marcus, did
you have control? Maxwell? I had no control, is what
I'm saying, Blanche. So when the government, when there was
testimony of their government, admitted evidence that showed, for example,
five million in two thousand and two coming from Epstein, Okay,
what you're saying is that you may or it may

(29:25):
have happened, but that you there wasn't money. He was
giving you money. Maxwell. I'm not going to say that
for everything, because maybe there were accounts that money was
sent to me. But I can say that I know,
like the helicopter, I can definitively say I'd have to
look at all of them to be accurate for you,
but to explain how or why I could be receiving monies,

(29:45):
and I certainly did so, I'm not disputing all of it, Blanche.
But when you said, let's go back and look, why
did the money have to go into your accounts or
account that was controlled by others but in your name,
to like purchase a helicopter. Maxwell, Oh, that's a very
good question. I'm not sure I know the answer to that. Yeah,
you do. You guys were laundering money, and that's why

(30:07):
they were never hit with RICO because if they were
hit with RICO, it would have led back to the
people they were in bed with, Todd, Blanche. So let
me ask you this maybe a different way that gets
to the issue. Right. So, the accusation by the government,
based upon the evidence they collected, is that Epstein paid
you millions and millions of dollars over the years, and

(30:27):
the reason why he paid you that is because you
were performing in extraordinary service for him by recruiting young women,
many of whom were under age, so that he could
sexually abuse them. That's their allegation, Okay, from what you
said yesterday and from what I reviewed about you and
mister Epstein, he paid for a lot in your life, Maxwell, Absolutely,
your flights, where you stayed with them. I mean, he

(30:49):
didn't expect you to reimburse them along the way for
food and you know, so he took care of you
for many years, Maxwell, that's true, Blanche. On top of that,
he actually paid you a salary, as we talked about,
twenty five thousand to two hundred and fifty thousand. What
else did he give you or what purchase Like was
there a time when he gave you a million dollars
or five hundred thousand as a bonus or what financial

(31:12):
benefit did you receive from him? Besides what we already
talked about. We don't have to talk about, you know, Maxwell,
I got it. I got it, Blanche. Okay. So my
goal always was to become independent, independently financially secure, and
work for myself. I've never been one to work not work,
and in that regard, over the course of my friendship
and my working relationship with Epstein, I expressed to him

(31:34):
I desire to be independent from him everywhere, not just
to be freestanding. With that in mind, I wanted to
have my own businesses or my own money coming in
independent and separate from any salary that I received from him.
And I needed that for my self esteem. I mean,
obviously salary. It was a very generous one. Please, I'm
not belittling that sum of money, because it's huge. But

(31:56):
I was brought up to work, and I was brought
up to be my own, you know. So I would
either propose businesses to him or he would actually suggest
why I didn't do something in the first deal what
we did or the first business that we had or
had that he financed for me. So he loaned me
all the money to enable me to do this, and
then I reaped the profits, which I don't remember now

(32:18):
because we varied over the deals that we did, and
I would give him fifty percent or twenty five percent.
It was sort of random. Maxwell, I can tell you
what it is so he can compare it, Blanche. Yeah,
go ahead, Maxwell. So it was Palm Beach actually, and
it was in real estate and they sold what was
the grounds originally of an estate called Phipps Estate, and

(32:40):
then they converted the land that came with the estate
into houses. And I did I think two or maybe
I can't remember now, but certainly one or maybe two,
possibly three, I think two that then were flipped and
there was profit, so that would be an example of that.
But I didn't have any money, so he lent me
the funds to do the bususiness transaction and then I

(33:01):
reap the profits, Blanche. But when Maxwell cuts them off,
and that's millions of dollars, Blanche. When a financial investigator
like the FBI looks at accounts, they don't know kind
of the conversation you're having. They just see the money. Maxwell, right, Blanche.
So in those cases when that happened, when he would
when he financed that would send you money like that,

(33:23):
does that explain some of the money? Like I guess, Yo,
this is fucking unrual. I cannot believe what Blanche is
doing here, and anyone who supports this is a fucking clown.
And if that's you, sorry, that's what you are. Maxwell.
I think it does. I think, for instance, there were
two gull wing Mercedes that they did with Mercedes and

(33:44):
asked in Martin, you can look it up. I think
if I'm right, that had the doors that would come
up like this, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, there were only very
limited numbers that were made, so I knew that we
could get those and flip them right within twenty four hours.
For example, here's another exams Apple of something that you
guys wouldn't have known about. I became a banker. I
got my series sixty three, Series sixty seven banking license

(34:07):
and became a broker for like a new inaudible because
I was day trading everything I had I J traded
with through an account. And I think I was lucky
more than smart. But I made quite a lot of
money doing that. Blanche, when was that like approximate time? Maxwell? Again,
it's in the nineties. Wait, I think, well, you can
find it because it'll be my banking license, right, that'll

(34:28):
be something that you can look up probably, Blanche, Yeah, Maxwell,
so whatever, and I just remember when that is. I'm sorry, Blanche, Okay,
So Maxwell? And so for example, I was doing really, really,
really well, and so he was like, how did you
do that? Well? How are you? Why are you investing
in I don't know Apple when nobody liked Apple. This is,

(34:50):
you know, before Apple or Microsoft. I didn't know Bill Gates.
So this is not related to him, but my family
Marcus Interjec's real quick. Don't charge her with insider trading. Maxwell, No,
I'm not trying to suggest that. Oh goodness, please know
Mount Marcus. It was a joke. Maxwell, Okay, Blanche, it
was a joke. All right. We're going to wrap up

(35:11):
right here because I'm disgusted and I need to drink
some bleach before we continue. All of the information that
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting back to Glenn
Maxwell and are a fireside chat with the DOJ and

(35:31):
Todd Blanche Maxwell. All right, but going back to my family,
my dad had given me an account when I was twelve,
and I had always had an interest in business and finance.
Not very sophisticated. I'm not suggesting that. And so I
liked to trade, and so I did and I did well,
and so then I would tell him what I was doing. Now,

(35:52):
whether he did or he didn't, he told me he
matched me in some other accounts that he had. Because
a lot of my observation, to go back to what
he did, I observed him personally and have recollection, personal
recollection of him trading this money lots, tens of millions,
hundreds of millions of dollars Blanche, that he was trading

(36:13):
for other people Maxwell, yes, Blanche, or that it was
his own money. Maxwell, I want to clarify something for you,
or clarify or underline. Wexner was, in my opinion, his
closest friend in this time period, from when I met
him in nineteen ninety one, right all the way until
well till I don't know, because I wasn't that friendly

(36:33):
with Well. I did travel with mister Wexner, but Epstein
told me that Wexner didn't want to be seen too
much with me because of my family problems. You know,
whether that was Blanche cuts her off. You mean the
problems with your father's company, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche embezzlement or
allegations of Maxwell. Yes, Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
By the way, Robert Maxwell was found guilty of that,

(36:56):
not allegations Todd Blanche. When somebody's found guilty, Jerry has
spoken and now actually today not contemporaneously, but today I
don't believe that's even true. I think it was used
as a means to not have me travel with them
to Ohio or whatever. It was just a way to
park me. And I believe that now because within the
discovery there was a lot, well not a lot, but

(37:18):
there were some indications that he would actively tell other
people to lie to me or conceal things from me,
and that he never loved me and I wasn't his type.
That's in the discovery somewhere while she's not lying about that.
I've told you a million times that Glaine Maxwell was
not some love of Jeffrey Epstein's life, just another tool
in the toolbox. Right, And let's just be clear once again,

(37:40):
Epstein only loved Jeffrey Epstein. He didn't love anybody else. Blanche.
The government had evidence that even as late as two
thousand and seven, he paid you a lot of money. Maxwell,
What was that? What was the money, Blanche? Like several million,
several millions of dollars in two thousand and seven, seven
point four million, And I think Maxwell, what was that for?

(38:03):
Was it? Was it the helicopter, Blanche? That's my question
for you. Maxwell. Oh, sorry, Blanche, I don't know, Maxwell, Okay, sorry, Blanche.
So in two thousand and seven, Maxwell, I think that
was probably the helicopter. That could have been, Blanche, that
was what, Maxwell, That could have been the helicopter, the Sekorski,

(38:23):
those big chunks like that. I didn't. I don't personally
have seven million dollars. I just don't. So the answer
to your question to be precise, Marcus interrupts her. You
would remember if it went into your pocket, Maxwell, I
would remember it. I would he never paid it to
me for services that you just described, seven million for

(38:43):
any nefarious reason, Blanche. Yeah, I think I understand what
you've said about being on the payroll and helping him,
helping you with businesses and giving you a lot of
life things along the way. You travel with them, you
ate with them, he's you know, but they're is these
massive amounts of money one time payments. Maxwell. You'd have

(39:05):
to trace that, right, So, I don't believe that came
into my account or I have had any control. I
have no memory of that, Blanche. Well, but if there's
records that show it coming into your account, it sounds
like what you're saying is that you have no memory
of that money being yours. Maxwell. No, Blanche, like that
money is not somewhere Maxwell, No, I wouldn't be like, Oh, yippie,

(39:28):
let me go. I got seven million, I'm going to
go and buy myself a yacht. No, or I don't
know something else, or to move it. No. I don't
think if you look, you'll have to check. Obviously you will.
I don't think you'll find that money moving to any
account either of mine, or it shouldn't show I don't
believe anyway, as far as I recollect, it wouldn't show

(39:50):
me spending it. Well, that's not what the court documents
show us. That's not what your trial said, Blanche. Right, Maxwell?
Does that make sense? Blanche? Yeah, that makes sense. I mean,
I don't think there's any dispute by anybody, even your
lawyer's at trial, that that money went in Maxwell. Oh,
seven million in when what year? Blanche? Well, there are

(40:11):
several years. In two thousand and seven, Maxwell and Blanche
two thousand and two. There was five million that you
were paid in two thousand and two. Maxwell, I'd have
to I don't remember. So there would be another large sum,
but it wouldn't have come from him later, but it
had nothing to do with Blanche cuts her off. The
biggest one was in nineteen ninety nine. That's over eighteen million,

(40:33):
eighteen point three million, Maxwell, I don't know what that is.
Imagine telling somebody that, with a straight face, you had
eighteen point three million dollars moved to your account and
you have no idea what it is, who sent it,
or why it's there. Well, in that case, there's some
kind of fraud going on, right, So who was involved?
Let's get those Epstein files? Shall we blanche? But what

(40:59):
you're saying it sounds like and if you don't know,
we can move on. But when we're talking about the
eighteen point three million in ninety nine, five million three
years later in two thousand and two, seven point four
million in two thousand and seven, that money adds up
to around thirty million. You were not paid that by
mister Epstein, meaning that's not money you receive for your benefit,

(41:20):
even if it was put into your account. What does
that even mean? So if I just wake up with
a bunch of money in my account, I can claim
that I have no idea where it came from, even
if it came from El Chopo. Okay, I guess these
are new rules, folks, and I guarantee you people are
paying attention. Maxwell, I don't believe any of that was

(41:42):
my money. Like I said, we did do these things. Blanche. Yeah,
I understand that Maxwell with the cars, Blanche, I understand
that Maxwell and as Blanche cuts her off, but Maxwell
cuts him off. I don't know if any of that money,
some of it, if it moves, some of that may
have come from the car or the house that was

(42:02):
sold that I had an interest in with them. That's possible,
but I don't think this money is mine, Lei, Saffian.
But also the record should reflect too that there were
times Golaine's name was used, for example, Eric Golaine. Her
name was in the name of the entity. It had
nothing to do with her. And if you pull signatures Blanche, yeah, Saffian,
there's no evidence for that. This lady Leasafian is like

(42:27):
a ambulance chasing lawyer. She's never worked any big cases.
She's just a friend of Glenn Maxwell's. But here she
is acting like she is the female version of Johnny Cochran.
Huh okay, Blanche, No. What I'm trying to understand and
to make sure that I understand, is that the idea
that you were paid thirty million between ninety nine and

(42:48):
two thousand and seven by mister Epstein to reward you
for recruiting young women. You're saying that is categorically completely false, Maxwell,
that is categorically false, correct, Blanche. Okay, So we went
through several individuals yesterday, and I want to go through
just a couple more names and ask you if you
know them, and if you do know them, how do

(43:08):
you know them? Do you know Elon Musk Clean Maxwell?
I do, Blanche, And how did you meet mister Musk Maxwell.
I don't remember the year, but it's going to be
in twenty ten eleven, something like that, I think, if
my memory serves. And I was at an event for
Sergey Brinn, the co founder of Google, and Sergey had
arranged it was his birthday, and we were a bunch

(43:31):
of us. I don't even remember how many of us
there were, but not many of us. If I say forty,
I could be wrong. If I say thirty to fifty,
I don't remember. I'm sorry. I went to another friend's island,
somebody called mister Pegazi in the Caribbean, not with Epstein.
He was not there to celebrate Sergey's birthday, and we
were there together. Four I want to say three or

(43:52):
four days something like that in my memory. And mister
Musk was present for that, Blanche, And that was the
first time that you met him, as far as you know, Maxwell,
as far as I remember, Yes, Blanche, did you know
his brother mister Musk's brother, Maxwell, I don't know if
I've ever met him. I know that he has a brother,
and I don't think that I met him, Blanche, aside

(44:14):
from that time in around twenty ten on the island
in the Caribbean for a couple days. Did you have
you seen do you know mister Musk beyond that time? Maxwell?
We met one time at the Oscars, Blanche, what year
was that? Earlier or later? Maxwell? It was post event,
I believe, Blanche. Do you know whether mister epstein knew

(44:34):
mister Musk. Maxwell, I believe they did. And the only
reason I say that is not from my memory, but
because I think I saw my memory is that in
Discovery they were communicating on email, Blanche. So you have
no personal knowledge of that, Maxwell, I have no She's
cut off by Blanche. It's just that what you've seen
from the press or from Discovery, Maxwell, I believe his

(44:57):
brother as well. Actually, Blanche, excuse me, Maxwell, mister Musk's
brother as well. Like I said, my memory is, it's
not as good as I would like it to be.
And I just want to say that, Blanche, you mentioned
I think yesterday in passing, well, not in passing, but
as part of another answer, Andrew Cuomo Maxwell. Yes, Blanche,

(45:19):
did you know mister Cuomo Glen Maxwell? Well, only because
he was married to Carry Blanche? Okay, Maxwell? And I
think I knew his brother as well. What's his name?
He has a brother, right, he's on TV. What's his name,
Lea Saffian, Chris Glen Maxwell, right, Christopher Saffie and Christopher
Cuomo Blanche, Yeah, Chris Maxwell, Chris Blanche, the former TV

(45:42):
anchor or, the TV anchor, Chris Cuomo Maxwell, yes, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell.
But I would say just socially, I'm not close friends
or anything. I was friends with Carrie and I met
him a few times, and I certainly met his brother
as well a few times. Blanche. And the same question
that I asked mister Musk, do you know whether mister
Epstein knew Andrew Cuomo or Chris Cuomo or miss Kennedy

(46:05):
your friend Maxwell. I don't think so. Blanche, and so
you never you don't recall any of those individuals like
flying on mister Epstein's plane, Maxwell, No Blanche, or visiting
him in Palm Beach or at the island, No Blanche.
I think you mentioned former Secretary of State John Kerry yesterday,
But if not, do you know mister Kerry or no Maxwell.

(46:27):
I've met him, but I don't know if mister Epstein
has ever met him. I met him, well, really, I
can't even probably characterize that as a meeting, but I
was very, very involved in the ocean at work through
you asked me yesterday about Taramar and if I recall,
right the secretary that way through the ocean, but we
wouldn't know who I am. I doubt I don't think, Blanche. Well,

(46:51):
do you know former Senator Ted Kennedy Maxwell? Yes, Blanche?
Is that through your own life or through mister Epstein
Maxwell my life? Blanche? Do you know whether mister Epstein
new Senator Kennedy Maxwell? I don't believe so, Blanche. And
so for the folks we just talked about, so former
Secretary of State John Kerrey, Ted Kennedy, you don't know

(47:14):
whether mister Epstein knew them? So I take that to
mean you have no recollection of them flying on his planes. Maxwell.
Oh god, no, Blanche, okay, Maxwell. Oh, but Bobby Kennedy
knew him, Bobby the health, Blanche. Sorry, say that again
about Bobby Kennedy. Bobby knew mister Epstein, Blanche. How do
you know that, Maxwell, because we went on a trip together.

(47:37):
We went dinosaur bone hunting in the Dakotas. Blanche, when
was that? You know? Approximately, I'm not looking for an
exact date, but when was that? Maxwell? That was? Well,
let me back up. I knew Bobby's wife Mary pretty
well actually, and before he met her, Blanche. And just
to help us, I know we're talking about a wide
span of time, but when you were talking about that,

(47:59):
you knew mister Kennedy's wife before they were married. So
are we talking about Maxwell? I guess. Let me get
my head straight, Blanche. Well, would this have been before
you met mister Epstein? Maxwell? Yes, Maxwell, I met him
before we met, Blanche. So we're talking about the eighties. Maxwell? Oh, yes, yes,
thank you, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, Okay, the eighties, Blanche, Okay,

(48:22):
So we're talking about the eighties. Maxwell, I had a
very very long standing boyfriend and his brother was dating
Mary at the time, and we were all very good friends.
Blanche and then mister Epstein. Did mister Epstein meet Bobby
Kennedy through you? I don't think so, because mister Epstein,
surprisingly everyone says everything happened through me. That's just not true.

(48:43):
I mean, I think yesterday I explained that he had
friends from London and those they were people that we
would call fancy. Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, they were fancy people.
But he had the same type of relationship before I
met him in America. So when I met him, he
was all ready you know, Wexner, and he had Henry
and she means Henry Kissinger. I don't know if then

(49:05):
he was at the Council of Foreign Relations, but he
was a friend with A's and you know, like he
was well established Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell, he didn't need me.
He was evil was, you know, major model. So she
had all these modeling connections and friends in that business
long before I met him. And so that trip you
went on with mister Epstein, says Blanche, and Bobby Kennedy

(49:27):
was at in the nineties and two thousands, Maxwell, I
think it was I want to say ninety three or
ninety four, Blanche. Okay, so a very long time ago, Maxwell,
A very very long time ago, Blanche, A few years
into the time that you knew mister Epstein. Maxwell. Yes,
I mean I don't want to holle myself to dates
because Blanche. No, No, I'm not holding you to dates, Maxwell,

(49:50):
because I really don't. She's cut off again by Blanche.
I've said that a lot because I appreciate we're talking
about the eighties and the nineties and the two thousands. Maxwell,
And I just want you to know I haven't had
I don't have anything to review, so I don't have
the ability the short of my legal material. Obviously you
know I have because I can with a box worth,

(50:12):
but short of that, I have nothing with which to
refresh or very limited stuff I should say. I don't
want to say nothing to refresh my mind. Todd, Blanche,
I understand that. Do you have any recollection of mister
Kennedy being anything inappropriate with mister Kennedy and messuses or
young women on the trip you just talked about, Glenn Maxwell.

(50:32):
I never saw anything inappropriate with mister Kennedy, Blanche. And
do you know whether he got a massage from one
of the messuses. Do you know either way, Maxwell, I
do not, Blanche, but not something you remember, Maxwell, I
mean absolutely not. I mean yesterday. If I didn't make
it clear, I will reiterate it. I never ever saw

(50:53):
any man doing something inappropriate with a woman of any age.
I never saw inappropriate habits. Now, I'm not going to
say I mean that to me is not inappropriate. Now
somebody is inappropriate and mine might be different. But Blanche, yep,
we're not talking about anything that resembles the accusations that
we've discussed here, So that would be a flat no

(51:16):
to any man. Blanche, did you or mister Epstein's relationship
with Bobby Kennedy continue into the two thousands as far
as you know, Maxwell, I would say yes, Maxwell, well mine, yes, Blanche,
yours with you? Okay, Maxwell, with me for sure? Blanche.
Do you know whether mister Epstein and mister Kennedy, Bobby

(51:37):
Kennedy continue to have relationship into the two thousands? Maxwell,
I have no personal knowledge of that, Blanche, Yeah, no
personal knowledge is fine. All right, folks. We're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All of the information
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