December 30, 2025 • 38 mins
On August 22, 2025, the U.S. Department of Justice released redacted transcripts and audio recordings of a two-day interview it conducted in July with Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking ring. During the interview, Maxwell denied ever seeing any inappropriate behavior by former President Donald Trump, describing him as a “gentleman in all respects,” and insisted she “never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.” She also rejected the existence of a so-called “client list,” countering years of speculation, and claimed to have no knowledge of blackmail or illicit recordings tied to Epstein.
In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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In addition to defending high-profile figures, Maxwell expressed doubt that Epstein’s death was a suicide, while also rejecting the notion of an elaborate conspiracy or murder plot. The release of the transcripts—handled under the Trump-era Justice Department—has stirred sharp political debate. Trump allies have framed her remarks as vindication, while critics and Epstein’s survivors question her credibility, pointing to her conviction and suggesting her words may be aimed at influencing potential clemency or political favor.
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bobbycapucci@protonmail.com
source:
Interview Transcript - Maxwell 2025.07.24 (Redacted).pdf
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
left off with Glenn Maxwell's fireside chat with mister Blanche
and the DOJ. Glenn Maxwell. Another thing is that everyone
puts us together like a monolith, Blanche.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Maxwell, he literally had a separate life from me. I
literally had a separate life from him. Now did they say, Well,
of course they did. I'm not crazy. But he kept
a lot to himself and he didn't like to share.
He was not a sharer, well, at least not with me, Blanche.
Mister Epstein didn't share your saying, Maxwell, not with me. No, Blanche.
(00:40):
Do you know somebody named Cheryl Mills? Maxwell? I do,
Blanche used to work in the White House as a lawyer. Maxwell, Yes,
I do, Yes, Blanche. How do you know miss Mills? Maxwell?
I met Miss Mills through President Clinton? Blanche? Do you
remember generally the timeframe that you met her? Maxwell? I
you actually hang on. I'm sorry, I'm just trying to remember.
(01:03):
I'm just trying to get my dates right, Marcus approximately Maxwell. Okay,
I can't get my dates right, but it's something you
probably going back to the early two thousands Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
So what I don't recall Blanche. So Maxwell, I want
to say two thousand and two. I'm going to say
two thousand and two or two thousand and three Blanche.
(01:24):
So it was after President Clinton left office? Maxwell? Oh, yes, Blanche.
So it was in the two thousands. Maxwell, definitely Blanche.
How did you meet her? What were the circumstances under
which you met Miss Mills? Maxwell, I went on a
trip with the president to South America. Blanche with which
President Maxwell? Oh, sorry, President Clinton? Blanche? Okay, just you know, Maxwell, Sorry,
(01:50):
Blanche just wanted just wanted to make sure it was clear.
So you went on a trip to where Maxwell Latin
America Blanche? And so miss Mills was on the trip Maxwell,
she was Blanche and President Clinton was on the trip. Maxwell,
he was Blanche. Who else was on the trip? Maxwell?
Doug Band Blanche? Who worked with President Clinton? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche?
(02:15):
And was mister Epstein? Maxwell, No, Blanche. And what was
the purpose of that trip? Maxwell? Well, the president had
I don't know, I mean, the president met with I
can't even remember all the I know presidents and we
were in Blanche. Was this part of President Clinton's work
after he left office with his foundation. Maxwell, I don't
(02:38):
think the foundation Blanche cuts her off? Was it something
for him? Maxwell? I don't remember when the Clinton Global
Initiatives started, So if you date me, if you give
me that date, I can tell you if it was
pre your post, because without that I can't pin the reason. Marcus,
do you remember what it was for or not? Maxwell? No,
I don't recall Marcus. Okay, Maxwell, I mean I don't. Blanche,
(03:02):
don't overthink or underthink the reasons for my questions. I
don't have any idea why you went on the trip,
so I don't know any answer what I'm getting from you. Maxwell. No,
I'm just trying to be as accurate as possible and
give you the information that you seek. Blanche, do you
remember why you were invited to go? Like? Were you
friends with somebody? What was your role going on the trip? Maxwell?
(03:25):
I didn't have a role, Blanche, so you don't remember
who invited you? Probably Doug Band, Maxwell says Blanche. And
how did you know Doug Maxwell? Because Doug again back
with Philip Levine. Blanche got it. And do you know
whether he had a relationship with mister Epstein, Maxwell, who
Todd Blanche Doug Maxwell, I mean nothing. I don't believe
(03:50):
there was any relationship other than well, without me, I
don't think there would have been those flights because I
was the one who asked Epstein to provide the plane. Well,
certainly I remember the one that for of course that
big trip, and I thought it was an honor and
a privilege to be part of something so amazing and
to have the opportunity to spend time with a man
that I found truly extraordinary. And please, I don't mean
(04:12):
it in any other way other than as a former
fantastic ex President Blanche. So I was just asking around
the question, but I'll just ask it like where you
basically asked to go because you were kind of responsible
for the plane, responsible is the wrong word. They were
able to use you to make sure that they could
you help them get mister Epstein's plane for the trip. Maxwell. No,
(04:34):
I don't even know if when I was on. In fact,
I think I think that trip. I'm not even sure
that mister Epstein met with the President Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
But if I'm right, and I think I am, I
think that trip happened when Epstein and Clinton had never
even not that they'd never met, because Epstein had gone
to the White House, but they had not met. I'd
(04:57):
never asked Epstein for the plane because they'd never met,
and it would be weird. But they met because of me,
and the plane was because of me. But that trip
was the first, I think, the first trip I took
with the ex president, and I don't believe Epstein and
he had met. And we're talking a time period when
I was trying to blanche, yeah, leave not very successfully, obviously,
(05:17):
but I was branching out on my own and being
more independent of mister Epstein and trying all kinds of
businesses that I was into. I was trying to start
the first telehealth medicine with the Cleveland Clinic. I mean,
I'm not going to bore you because I don't think
those were the sorts of things that I was looking
for him to finance so that I could stop being,
you know, a general manager of a hotel Blanche. So
(05:39):
did you take other trips with some or all of
those individuals kind of without mister Epstein in later years,
Like you said, that was the first time that you
kind of been on something like that, and it was
an honor that you were spending time with former President
Clinton and others over the years. Did you do that
more than once? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche will talk about those
(06:00):
like multiple times, like too many an account, or three
or four times, like how many Maxwell, A.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Lot, A lot. I went on a lot of trips.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Now I don't recall all of them, not because I'm
trying to be evasive or anything, but I just don't
remember them all. And after a while, you know, in
the incredible job that you have all of you, that
when you're so high pressured and you're spending so much
time with extraordinary people like you do with President Trump,
it can blur. It just does. And those few things
that stand out, because at the end it's all just
(06:31):
extraordinary as cars and sirens and president It's like whoa Okay, Blanche,
So I understand, But Maxwell, right, I understand. You can't
give specific numbers. Describe more about the kind of your
your part of your life and your relationship. I'm using relationship.
You don't like relationships, Maxwell, right, Blanche, and sorry, and
(06:54):
your Maxwell my employer, Blanche. Yes, just describe what you
were doing with those individual rules. So when I say
those individuals I'm talking about former President Clinton, Doug, other
folks that work with them, Maxwell, all of them. Yes,
there were loads of them, and just all of them,
you know, the team. I don't need to give you
all the names. You have them at your fingertips, and
(07:16):
I can confirm if you give me names, I'll say yes,
because they're not all going to pop into my head.
So Blanche, right, Maxwell, Okay, So I started spending a
lot of time. I don't want to characterize that, but
I started spending a lot of time with former President
and with Doug and his team. And I had no
purpose really other than I obviously offered something I don't know,
(07:37):
ideas I don't know. Anyway, he started to travel. I
don't remember if the first trip was Africa or how
it went, but at some point I think there was
actually two trips, but I'm not sure. So there was
to Europe and then to Africa, and I think maybe
all was one trip. And at some point mister Epstein
said he didn't want to go on the trip and
he was going somewhere else and he just left, and
(07:59):
I was like, well, okay, and so I ended up
doing the whole trip without mister Epstein. Or his plane, Blanche.
And when you were traveling with them, what were the
purpose of the trips, Like, is this one? Maxwell cuts
them off. I think actually it was the aides was
one of the primary ones for his AIDS foundation when
he was working to do that, and there were always
(08:21):
humanitarian side to the trip. And we went to Egypt
and there was oh yeah, Blanche. So it sounds like
you're describing right now one trip with lots of stops. Maxwell.
It could be, but I have a feeling that I
went on other trips, but I can't remember, Blanche, you
went on these, Maxwell cuts them off. I went to London,
Blanche went to London, Okay, Maxwell. I don't know if
(08:43):
that's the same trip, Blanche. When you went on these trips,
were you always on mister Epstein's plane, Maxwell, No, or
did sometimes someone accompany them on a different plane? Maxwell? Correct, Yes, Blanche,
how many were on mister Epstein's plane? Again, I'm not
holding you to exact numbers, Maxwell, that was a full
(09:05):
that was packed because it was a lot of Secret Service.
It took all the secret services as well, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
So it was whatever the detail is for secret Service,
it's a lot, Blanche, And on how many occasions besides
the trip you just described, were there other times when
they used when President Clinton and the folks he's with
(09:27):
use mister Epstein's plane, Glenn Maxwell, I think there was twice.
Maybe there was that, but it will reflect on the logs.
There won't be anything that's not on the logs that
you have already. Blanche, Were you, by the way, responsible
for the logs in any way, Like you've seen the
logs and they're a public and you have them in discovery.
(09:47):
But over the years when you were working with or
for mister Epstein, did you have access to the logs? Maxwell?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
No, never.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
The pilots the logbook that was their personal logbook. I
never saw them have it. I never saw them fill
it in. And then there was a second set of logs,
the flight manifests, and I never saw those either. I
was never allowed, I suppose because he didn't want me
to see Blanche. So do you know whether mister Epstein
had a separate relationship with President Clinton different from the
(10:16):
one you just described, so different that being with him
with respect to his foundation or something like this. Maxwell,
I would say, no, Blanche, when's the last time that
you went on a trip or saw President Clinton. It
was late two thousand and I don't know, sixteen seventeen eighteen.
It was in Los Angeles, Blanche. And what was the
(10:37):
purpose of the meeting, Maxwell? I think he was hosting
something or he was at an event and I was
in LA and I had dinner with them, Blanche. Did
you ever meet Secretary Clinton? Hillary Clinton? Yes, Blanche, when'd
you meet her? Maxwell? I want to say again, please
don't hold me to it, but I want to say
that it was on a flight that came from the island,
(10:58):
from the island from Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard back to
New York. Is what I think I might be wrong. Okay,
so an East Coast island like Nantucket, Maxwell, Yes, Maxwell,
the ex president never came to the island, Blanche. Is
that the only time that you met Hillary Clinton? Maxwell? No,
(11:19):
I went to the house in Chappaqua a few times, Blanche.
And why did you go to the house, Maxwell? I
was invited, Blanche, just to see President Clinton or Hillary
or both. Maxwell. Yeah, I mean as a friend, not
for I don't there was no I don't remember any reason.
Either was somehow I communicated that was incoming driving back
(11:41):
past Chappaqua, or if they were home and stop in.
I know it sounds a little flippant, it couldn't have
been something, Blanche. And do you know whether mister Epstein
knew or had any sort of visit dealings or associations
with Hillary Clinton? Maxwell, I would say no, Blanche. Did
you ever see them together? Maxwell? Know? Oh, Blanche, did
(12:02):
you ever know whether mister Epstein did any business transactions
with the Clintons? Maxwell, Well, I'm not sure I can.
I'm not sure how to quite. I don't know the
answer to that strictly because I was part of the
beginning process of the Clinton Global Initiative and that was
something that I helped with and that was me and
Epstein may have helped them too, And in that context
(12:23):
he may well be involved himself, but only in the
context of something that I was trying to do, Blanche.
So when you say involved himself, meaning like give money
to the Clinton Global Initiative or something like this, Maxwell, Well,
so there's that. I think he did that, and I
believe the money that he may have given could have
been independent of me. But I think it's just easier
(12:44):
if I just tell you how it happened. Otherwise it
sounds odd and funky. I went to Davis with the
former president. Have you been to Davis Blanche and what Maxwell?
Have you been to Davis Blanche?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I have not?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Okay, Well, you know, you know what it's like, right,
So I thought the former president should have his own
Davis because it would be And it turned out that
they had been thinking about it anyway, and so we
were talking about it, and you know, it's a very
heavy lift to get something like that to go. And
I was friendly with one of the people. I don't
know if he was at the beginning of Davis, but
(13:20):
he was running it. I don't know how to describe
his actual role. And he had conversations with him about
what he did, you know, just because I was having
dinner with him, about if Clinton could get something like
that to go, what was his thoughts. And he was
very enthusiastic. I mean, he was like, that's just an
incredible idea. So I put them together. That person's name,
(13:43):
do you remember Maxwell? I knew you were going to
ask me, Blanche. Maxwell. I ken Blanche didn't know if
you knew his name or remember Maxwell. I do know,
I do, but I just Blanche can't remember his name, Okay, Maxwell,
It'll come to me, Come to me tomorrow. But eventually
these things like surface from the middle of the night, Blanche, Yeah,
(14:06):
Maxwell that I couldn't remember from yesterday, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
But his name will come to me and if not,
we can find it. All right, So we're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All of the information
that goes with this episode can be found in the
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
(14:27):
of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna get
right back to Glenn Maxwell and are a fireside chat
with Todd, Blanche and the DOJ. Maxwell. But his name
will come to me, and if not, we can find it, Blanche, okay.
Staying on your relationship, your association with the Clintons, you
(14:49):
are part of the ramp up or the startup of
the Clinton Global Initiative, Maxwell, I was and helping them
in their effort. Maxwell, I would say very central to that, yes, Blanche,
and mister Epstein was he part of the work around
that or just in support of you? Maxwell? He supported
me to help them but then I think he may
have tried to use that to insert himself in some
(15:10):
way that would not have surprised me at all. So
not only is she protecting Trump, she's protecting the Clintons.
Not shocking.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Power protects power, like I've told you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
From the very beginning, And I know that he was
annoying in terms that I could catch him on the
phone and he wouldn't always agree with what I wanted
to do. And I was like, it's not your idea,
I don't really care what you think. But that didn't
go over so well Blanche, and to that he's cut
off again. Maxwell. Oh, I just want to say, it
wasn't my idea for his CGI. Blanche say it again, Maxwell,
(15:45):
it's not my idea. They had the idea before. I
just helped bring key personnel. Blanche cuts her off. You're
saying the idea of President Clinton kind of having his
own Davis like to that cut off by Maxwell, I didn't,
that's not and Blanche cuts her off. Understood, Maxwell, I
don't try to elevate myself in any form of importance here. Well,
(16:07):
that's because you're not important maybe in your own mind,
but to anyone who has a brain in their head.
They know that you're a vile animal. Blanche. No, I
understand Maxwell. Okay, Blanche, did you go to Davis with
President Clinton more than once or just once?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Maxwell?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I can't remember once for sure, and I think maybe twice,
but I don't remember. Blanche, you're not aware of President
Clinton ever going to the island? Maxwell, He never, absolutely
never went, and I could be sure of that because
there is no way he would have gone. I don't
believe that there's any way he would have gone to
the island had I not been there, because I don't
(16:44):
believe he had an independent friendship, if you will, with Epstein.
So I guess that mister Scully is a liar. And
it's easy to call Virginia a liar now that she's dead.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Unfortunately for Maxwell, the last time she did that, she
ended up charged with perjury.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did they speak? Did they go? Yes? But that's very.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Different from going to spend time on an island. And Plus,
the story as told is so patently absurd that I
flew him in a helicopter. I am a helicopter pilot,
that is true, But the notion of me flying an
ex president in a machine that would terrify me. I
would never even take that responsibility. Can you imagine? Yeah, No, Blanche,
(17:24):
did you ever go with President Clinton any of Epstein's properties? Maxwell,
I cut off by Blanche, So like New Mexico, pom Beach,
or New York. Maxwell, I have no memory of him
in any of those places. Well, I can tell you
that she's lying. I trust my sources much more than
I trust Glenn Maxwell, and those sources have all confirmed
(17:45):
that the Clintons used to vacation at Zoro Ranch when
you were in London with President Clinton. Did you ever
go to your flat with him? Maxwell? I don't think
he did, because this like it's he wouldn't. He wouldn't
even be able to carry all the secret service with them.
I don't think so, No, Blanche. We talked a little
bit about the Duchess of York, about Sarah Ferguson yesterday.
(18:08):
When's the last time? When's the last time you saw?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Were you?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Do you have a or hang out with her? Socializing
with her in the nineties two thousands both, Maxwell. I
don't know if she liked me very much. I think
my friendship with her ex husband, well, sometimes she really
did like me and sometimes she didn't, So maybe a
frenemy I don't know. Well, yeah, that's because he was
playing hide the SLAMI with Glenn Maxwell. We all know
(18:33):
what's up. We all know that Jeffrey Epstein and Prince
Andrew are Eskimo brothers. Blanche, Okay, it was always friendly
when we were together, but I think that there was
some latent hostility. Well, I wonder fucking why, Blanche, is
that something you've heard since everything came out or along
the way you felt that way, Maxwell, No, that's how
(18:55):
I felt. That is a characterization of myself. That's how
I felt about her. I was always friendly with her.
I mean, I've seen her many many times, and she's
also super super close with other people I'm very good
friends with in England. I think that she liked mister Epstein. Blanche,
why do you think that? Maxwell? My female intuition. Blanche okay,
(19:18):
LEAs Safian Discovery, Maxwell, oh, LEAs Saffian the car chasing
Lea Saffian. You know the lady that was involved in
the stupid ass staging of Glenn Maxwell reading the CIA book.
Remember that lady. Yeah, this is her, Lea Safian the
letter Maxwell, I don't remember it, Blanche?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Maxwell, Well, I know it's not possible. I know that
there is discovery, but I don't recall. But I think
she had a thing for him, Blanche. There's some actors
or some folks from Hollywood that I want to ask
you about. Just understand whether you knew them or mister
Epstein knew them. Chris Tucker, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, how did
(19:59):
you know? Mister? These are all names we've all heard before.
And imagine bringing up Chris Tucker before you bring up
Sarah Helen Vickers. Yeah, the fix isn't in. Everything's on
the up and up. Come on, Bobby, you're just being crazy, bro,
you're being very cynical about this. Meanwhile, this is a
hot pile of steaming shit that they're trying to make
(20:21):
us all take a bite of. Well, I won't participate.
If you want to believe this shit for what it is, cool,
I don't care. I've told you folks a million times
that my job isn't to convince anybody of anything. My
job is to open these doors and then when you
walk through them, it's up to you to believe what
you want to believe. But if they think this dumbass
(20:42):
fairy tale is gonna work on me. They got another
thing coming because there's zero chance everything she's talking about bullshit.
All the people they're asking about, we know about, all
the real people they should be asking about, silence. So
what does that say to you? Does this look like
a all encompassing deep dive or are we collectively getting
(21:02):
screwed again without even a reach around? We all know
the deal, Blanche, President Clinton. Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche, go ahead, yep. Maxwell.
But I also think that they kept a little bit
in touch, and I think we met or I have
a memory of him in LA.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think they sort of loosely stayed in touch, Blanche.
Do you know mister Tucker besides that flight? Maxwell? No,
Well that's because Chris Tucker had nothing to do with
these people, Blanche. And do you know whether when you
say things that you kept in touch, you mean you
think that mister Epstein and mister Tucker Maxwell, they may have.
I didn't, but he might have. I'm not sure, Blanche.
(21:43):
Kevin Spacey Maxwell, I know him also from the same flight, Blanche,
Aside from that flight, do you know him from anything else? Maxwell? No, Blanche,
Naomi Campbell. Maxwell, Yes, I do know Naomi, and I
knew her before I met mister Epstein and former President Clinton. Blanche.
Do you know whether mister Epstein separately knew miss Campbell Maxwell?
(22:04):
I think he probably met her through me that I imagine, Blanche.
And so for those three, mister Tucker, mister Spacey and
miss Campbell, did they ever travel to any of mister
Epstein's properties the island of New Mexico, Maxwell, not mister Tucker, Well,
not to my knowledge, mister Tucker or mister Spacey. Naomi
Campbell may have Blanche to wear Maxwell, Well, I believe
(22:27):
she visited him in Palm Beach, and I believe she
may have gone to the island, and she may have
gone to see his house in New York. Whether she
went to New Mexico or Paris as well. Maybe they
were friends or friendly, Blanche, what you just said, she
may have were you on those trips? Maxwell, I don't
have any independent memory of that, so I'm not sure.
I don't think so, Maxwell. Her relationship, her friendship, I
(22:51):
think you're making me use your word. Her friendship whatever
with mister Epstein was independent to me, Blanche. Okay, but
you also had a separate her friendship with her before
you met mister Epstein. Maxwell, I did, Blanche, Okay, Larry Summers,
the former Secretary of the Treasury, Do you know that person?
Maxwell I did? Yes, Blanche? How Maxwell I met mister
(23:15):
Summers through mister Epstein, Blanche, and the same question just
generally time period? Are you talking about early two thousands,
nineties a little after that? Maxwell, I honestly really don't know, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
I did want to say something I forgot that there
was yesterday you asked me about mister Epstein's properties. He
had a rental house in Boston as well, but not
(23:37):
for very long. But it was another place that I
had to put together and I only went with him once,
and he would go there independently of me. No, I
would not go with him. No. Talk about the ski
chalet in Veil though, huh that he bought from Elizabeth Johnson. Interesting?
Or how about the other house in New York that
he had No talk about that either, Huh. It's almost
(23:57):
as if I know more than the fucking doj. Hey,
you know how terrifying that is, because breaking fucking news.
I'm half a moron, and even my ass can put
this together. But the doj N they're in the dark, right,
they have no idea what's going on? Blanche. Mister Summers,
do you know why? Do you know what his relationship
was with mister Epstein business personal? Both or don't know? Maxwell.
(24:21):
I think he spoke to mister Epstein about business a lot,
but I think they were friends. They were friendly, Blanche.
Do you know whether mister Summers ever traveled on mister
Epstein's planes to any of the properties that mister Epstein owned. Maxwell.
He may have, but I don't think if he did,
I was on any of the flights. I mean, those
are another issue. I traveled so much that I really
(24:43):
the flights just blur, Blanche. I understand George Soros. Maxwell,
I don't think he knew him. I did, but I
don't think he did. I don't think. Oh this is
not anything that's contrived. Huh.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So you have Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Calling for Rico against George Soros, while you have Donald
Trump's former personal attorney asking about George Soros in the
Maxwell meeting. Nothing to see here, folks, Blanche, how did
you know mister Soros? Maxwell? I was friends with his kids, Blanche,
Which kids Maxwell John and I can't think of his
(25:17):
other child. I can't think. I mean, I've lost his name.
Lea Safian Alexander Maxwell, who Saffian Alexander Maxwell? I met him,
but just socially. He may not remember even having met me.
I was excited to meet him, Blanche, when are you
thinking when you have met him? Maxwell? If I met him,
it would have been at an event, I think, or
(25:40):
I think Actually, no, in the Hamptons I met him.
He was staying at somebody's house, if my memory serves Blanche,
And what was your relationship? How did you know his kids? Maxwell?
I was out and about in New York a lot, Blanche,
just socially, Maxwell, just socially, yes, Blanche. Do you know
whether mister Soros or his kids ever traveled on mister
(26:02):
Epstein's planes? Maxwell, I don't think so. Hey, you know
who did travel on mister Epstein's planes though, Stevemnuchin? How
about we talked about Steve Mnuchin? Any questions about him
or why he was in business with Jean Luke Brunel.
Did mister Soros ever visit the Island or New Mexico?
Blanche ass Maxwell, No, I don't think so, Blanche Paris. Okay,
(26:25):
try to identify the names that have come up either
publicly that come to mind that we haven't talked about
a lot of names, a lot of names. And there
are some folks, if you think we've forgotten to ask
you about, if we've forgotten to ask you about, really
you're the fucking DOJ. You put El Choppo in prison,
you put El Mio in prison. You can find terrorists
(26:45):
in caves in Toro Bora, but you need Glen Maxwell
to pieces together for you. Nobody's buying it. Baby Billy
Blanche Maxwell, Well, you asked me about names, and I
have some names, and I just want to give you
some context for the names as well. Todd Blanche Sure.
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
in the next episode we're gonna pick up where we
(27:06):
left off. All of the information that goes with this
episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
Glenn Maxwell and her fireside chat with the DOJ and
Baby Billy Blanche Blanche.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Maxwell, So we talked about Elizabeth Johnson yesterday. Blanche, Uh huh. Maxwell.
She had a boyfriend and he was Frederick Focai, the hairdresser,
and he and Epstein were friendly, very friendly. Another person
I talked about years ago Blanche And then what time
period are you talking about, Maxwell, well, Blanche, like nineties,
(27:51):
two thousands or both. Maxwell, I think the two thousands
actually for that you can date that because it was
from I think he probably knew Frederick before he dated Elizabeth. Blanche.
And when you say they were very friendly, did they
travel together, Maxwell, I don't know if they traveled together.
I mean Epstein didn't go out very much. I mean
(28:12):
he did go out, and sometimes if he did, I
think he would go out with maybe Frederick Foukai. And
then I mean he had a bunch of guys that
I know that he would see her meet. But I
guess now he had new friends. So I don't know Blanche. Okay,
what are the other names? Maxwell?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So Henry Jureki who had an island near his Henry
was a financier who was the guy who cornered the
silver market back in the day. Another person we talked
about all news that we all know about already, Maxwell
is not some rose at is Stone. She doesn't have
the answers. Instead, all she has is more bullshit Todd, Blanche.
(28:52):
He had an island in the Caribbean near mister Epstein. Maxwell. Yeah,
in the British Virgin Islands, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, And there
was Branson's island there. Now I know that there is
an allegation that they met. I think I remember that
I went to Richard Branson's island with mister Epstein, and
maybe he went another time. I wouldn't characterize Richard Branson
(29:12):
and him as friends, but he did go, and I
think I went with him. Blanche. Do you know whether
mister Branson ever came to Epstein's island, Maxwell, If he did,
I was not there, Blanche Okay, Maxwell. But it's possible
Blanche understood Blanche. Who else Maxwell, Marvin Minsky. He had
(29:33):
a group of scientists that he was very very friendly with,
all centered around Harvard, So I remember him. Martin Oak
who's a mathematician, Stephen Jay Gould. I don't know if
Steven came through the Harvard angle, but I know that
there was he would excuse me. Epstein would have dinners
at his house that I was tasked to organize, and
that scientists were a very major component of that. These
(29:57):
weren't social dinners as much as they were a scientific
He would discuss whatever he would discuss, But if you
were in the area of brain cognition, he would invite
them to his house and they would come, all of them,
any names you can name, they would be there, Blanche.
So let's talk about that those associations or relationships with
the mathematicians and with Harvard, and I think the MIT
(30:19):
to some extent as well, Blanche. From what you observed,
what's the reason behind him developing those ties with Harvard,
with MIT and with certain professors and others associated with
those institutions. Maxwell, he really was profoundly interested in the
area of science and in the brain I mean Stephen J.
Gould or the major scientists of happiness. I mean a
(30:42):
came I believe from a genuine area of interest, Blanche.
How did he become friends with them? How was he
able to spend time with them? Meaning did he donate
to the university and then they were kind of Maxwell
certain Blanche cuts are off it was mandatory fun for them?
Or did they have relations with them where he would
(31:02):
you know Maxwell. I don't know Blanche host them. Maxwell.
I don't if the chicken or the egg came first,
Blanche okay. But when I first met him, I mean,
he was already doing a lot of this stuff I've read.
So this is why I'm saying it. I was not
responsible for this area of interest. I mean, I certainly sorry.
(31:24):
Just to bounce the second before it slips my mind
and I leave something out. There was an institute New
Mexico called Anyone the Institute. It's very famous. We're not
talking about Alamos Santa Fe Institute. I mean, for real,
nobody in the room knows. Huh. This is your FBI
at work, folks. Don't you feel safe anyway? All right,
(31:44):
there's a very famous institute in New Mexico. So you
can look it up. It'll come to you at the
minute you put in your computer, Blanche okay. Maxwell. And
they had some of the biggest brains ever. The relationship
came through me, that's me, And that's because my father
was one of the major scientific hit up my family
fortune when I had one, and it came from scientific publishing.
(32:07):
And when I started from the thing that you were
asking yesterday, my father was in the Second World War,
I told you, and he won the Military Cross and
then he actually did become what was part of the
intelligence back in the war, and his job was to
interrogate German scientists and prisoners of war. And then that
parlayed into business with the Springer of Verlag and into
(32:27):
the paragom Press, which was the scientific journal business. And
he had an interest. He believed that knowledges would prevent
war and the biggest scientific discoveries, well not all of them,
but many of them are coming from the Eastern Bloc.
And that's how we have the relationship with the Santa
Fe Institute and Murray Gentleman specifically. And I introduced Epstein
(32:49):
to Murray Gentleman. Sorry to go off on a tangent blanche.
This is at the Santa Fe Institute. Yes, thank you,
And Murray Gentleman was there, and Marry Gentleman and Epstein
got along very very well. You know, they didn't even
want to talk to me at that place. They were like, look,
you gotta go, homie, we don't have any time to
talk to you. Epstein never heard of him. We have
(33:10):
no idea who that is. But I will say that
the Institute's campus is beautiful, There's no doubt about that.
For the little bit of time I was there, very
very nice, Maxwell, he was the man. Sorry, Blanche, do
you know whether when you met mister Epstein in the
early nineties, continuing on so not that what he had
(33:33):
done before? Why do you think from what you saw
or what you heard, he had a relationship or wanted
to have the relationship that he had with Harvard and
with MIT Maxwell. So I think that may have come
with Wexner. I'm not sure, but that's something that I
think Wexner may have had a relationship with Harvard and
that he used that relationship to I believe he funded
(33:53):
a lot and if he didn't that his clients, of
which Wexner was obviously one, would fund and he would
then make he would arrange the fund or to that
Blanche cuts her off. Maxwell continues organize the fund or
I don't know, Blanche, Okay, we'll take a break in
a minute, but just to kind of set up for
(34:14):
what we're going to talk about next, we talked yesterday
morning about mister Epstein's kind of business and how he
had money. Did he seem to live behind his means
as far as what he was making. So did you
ever get the sense while you were with him that
it was suspicious or curious? How he was able to
have the funds too, you know, by you know, to planes,
you know, an island and New Mexico, the ranch almost
(34:37):
unlimited funds. Maxwell, you said it perfectly. I thought it
was astonishing, but I didn't have any reason to believe
that it came from anything nefarious. I saw him work.
I never saw him really do anything other than be
on the phone. There's that, and he had a lot
of meetings, but he had a lot of accounts, and
he dealt with pretty much every financier that you care
to mention. And if I could have access to those names,
(34:59):
i'd be able to tell you which ones. I just
don't remember them all, but in every bank, Goldman, Lehman,
all of them to my mind anyway, and most of
the major businesses. At the time, he was in the
Council of Foreign Relations, so you had access. That's an
extraordinary list of people.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You asked me about his So I thought about it
last night. How to try and explain what it was?
And I think the best thing is to focus only
on Wexner's business. So I was present for some of
their meetings in some of their businesses, and I listened,
and so those things that I personally recollect and I
know I heard was that he would when I told
(35:37):
you yesterday, I think that he would no detail was
too small. He would do contracts with the staff, I think,
and I saw that myself. And he also organized all
the trusts for all the children. So if Wexner had kids,
I don't know if he did. He did have children,
so every time there was a child, he would create
a trust for that child. These were complex financial structures
(35:58):
that would contain stocks of the various businesses. He restructured
when I was there. Wexner's business in its entirety, as
I recollect. And then not only that, but there were
the business interests. So Wexner owned or built or designed
or I don't know quite how to characterize it, but
New Albany, which is the center outside of Ohio, Columbus,
Ohio specifically, I remember this conversation. He built himself a
(36:22):
very large house, like truly enormous, and it's one of
the biggest private homes I've ever been to. And he
built all the houses around him, and I'm like, this
is so random. Why would you do that? And he
said to me, well, because I want to make sure
that the people around me are my friends. I want
my friends around me and my neighbors. And I was like, well, whatever, okay.
(36:42):
You know, I've been around enormous wealth my whole life
and at some point I just say, okay, whatever, I
get it, and I don't. And so that's what he did.
But Epstein ran New Albany, which included a country club
and a golf club. I mean, gosh, your boss is
one of the all time greats, you know, businessmen in
this area. You know what that is, and he certainly does.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So there be that.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And there was a business that Epstein. Well, he told
me he owned it, but of course I can't say
that for sure because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But it's a sports thing. Riddell. Is that a business?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Rye Dell? I thought about it last night. It's red
and had hats helmets, Rye Dell's Leasafi and Rye Dell Maxwell,
Rye Dell, Yeah right, Dell's Blanche. Okay, So now he
owned that, well, he told me he owned it, But
how he owned it? I don't know, but that was
before I think I came in and he had it,
or he said he had it, Blanche got it Maxwell
(37:35):
and he had other businesses. I know this notion that
he did nothing and he just was a grifter and whatnot.
I'm not going to say that's not true, but it's
not what I saw, and it's not what I believe
is true, not because it couldn't have been that he
didn't grift or whatever the word is off, but I
saw where I thought looked like real work. Blanche, Well,
(37:56):
why don't we take a break, Okay, David Marcus, Yeah,
thank you, spent Horn. All right, the time is now
ten thirty five, and we'll take a break. And I
think that's the perfect time for us to take a
break as well. So we're gonna wrap up right here,
and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
gonna pick up where we left off. All of the
information that goes with this episode can be found in
(38:17):
the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
left off with Glenn Maxwell's fireside chat with mister Blanche
and the DOJ. Glenn Maxwell. Another thing is that everyone
puts us together like a monolith, Blanche.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Maxwell, he literally had a separate life from me. I
literally had a separate life from him. Now did they say, Well,
of course they did. I'm not crazy. But he kept
a lot to himself and he didn't like to share.
He was not a sharer, well, at least not with me, Blanche.
Mister Epstein didn't share your saying, Maxwell, not with me. No, Blanche.
(00:40):
Do you know somebody named Cheryl Mills? Maxwell? I do,
Blanche used to work in the White House as a lawyer. Maxwell, Yes,
I do, Yes, Blanche. How do you know miss Mills? Maxwell?
I met Miss Mills through President Clinton? Blanche? Do you
remember generally the timeframe that you met her? Maxwell? I
you actually hang on. I'm sorry, I'm just trying to remember.
(01:03):
I'm just trying to get my dates right, Marcus approximately Maxwell. Okay,
I can't get my dates right, but it's something you
probably going back to the early two thousands Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
So what I don't recall Blanche. So Maxwell, I want
to say two thousand and two. I'm going to say
two thousand and two or two thousand and three Blanche.
(01:24):
So it was after President Clinton left office? Maxwell? Oh, yes, Blanche.
So it was in the two thousands. Maxwell, definitely Blanche.
How did you meet her? What were the circumstances under
which you met Miss Mills? Maxwell, I went on a
trip with the president to South America. Blanche with which
President Maxwell? Oh, sorry, President Clinton? Blanche? Okay, just you know, Maxwell, Sorry,
(01:50):
Blanche just wanted just wanted to make sure it was clear.
So you went on a trip to where Maxwell Latin
America Blanche? And so miss Mills was on the trip Maxwell,
she was Blanche and President Clinton was on the trip. Maxwell,
he was Blanche. Who else was on the trip? Maxwell?
Doug Band Blanche? Who worked with President Clinton? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche?
(02:15):
And was mister Epstein? Maxwell, No, Blanche. And what was
the purpose of that trip? Maxwell? Well, the president had
I don't know, I mean, the president met with I
can't even remember all the I know presidents and we
were in Blanche. Was this part of President Clinton's work
after he left office with his foundation. Maxwell, I don't
(02:38):
think the foundation Blanche cuts her off? Was it something
for him? Maxwell? I don't remember when the Clinton Global
Initiatives started, So if you date me, if you give
me that date, I can tell you if it was
pre your post, because without that I can't pin the reason. Marcus,
do you remember what it was for or not? Maxwell? No,
I don't recall Marcus. Okay, Maxwell, I mean I don't. Blanche,
(03:02):
don't overthink or underthink the reasons for my questions. I
don't have any idea why you went on the trip,
so I don't know any answer what I'm getting from you. Maxwell. No,
I'm just trying to be as accurate as possible and
give you the information that you seek. Blanche, do you
remember why you were invited to go? Like? Were you
friends with somebody? What was your role going on the trip? Maxwell?
(03:25):
I didn't have a role, Blanche, so you don't remember
who invited you? Probably Doug Band, Maxwell says Blanche. And
how did you know Doug Maxwell? Because Doug again back
with Philip Levine. Blanche got it. And do you know
whether he had a relationship with mister Epstein, Maxwell, who
Todd Blanche Doug Maxwell, I mean nothing. I don't believe
(03:50):
there was any relationship other than well, without me, I
don't think there would have been those flights because I
was the one who asked Epstein to provide the plane. Well,
certainly I remember the one that for of course that
big trip, and I thought it was an honor and
a privilege to be part of something so amazing and
to have the opportunity to spend time with a man
that I found truly extraordinary. And please, I don't mean
(04:12):
it in any other way other than as a former
fantastic ex President Blanche. So I was just asking around
the question, but I'll just ask it like where you
basically asked to go because you were kind of responsible
for the plane, responsible is the wrong word. They were
able to use you to make sure that they could
you help them get mister Epstein's plane for the trip. Maxwell. No,
(04:34):
I don't even know if when I was on. In fact,
I think I think that trip. I'm not even sure
that mister Epstein met with the President Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
But if I'm right, and I think I am, I
think that trip happened when Epstein and Clinton had never
even not that they'd never met, because Epstein had gone
to the White House, but they had not met. I'd
(04:57):
never asked Epstein for the plane because they'd never met,
and it would be weird. But they met because of me,
and the plane was because of me. But that trip
was the first, I think, the first trip I took
with the ex president, and I don't believe Epstein and
he had met. And we're talking a time period when
I was trying to blanche, yeah, leave not very successfully, obviously,
(05:17):
but I was branching out on my own and being
more independent of mister Epstein and trying all kinds of
businesses that I was into. I was trying to start
the first telehealth medicine with the Cleveland Clinic. I mean,
I'm not going to bore you because I don't think
those were the sorts of things that I was looking
for him to finance so that I could stop being,
you know, a general manager of a hotel Blanche. So
(05:39):
did you take other trips with some or all of
those individuals kind of without mister Epstein in later years,
Like you said, that was the first time that you
kind of been on something like that, and it was
an honor that you were spending time with former President
Clinton and others over the years. Did you do that
more than once? Maxwell? Yes, Blanche will talk about those
(06:00):
like multiple times, like too many an account, or three
or four times, like how many Maxwell, A.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Lot, A lot. I went on a lot of trips.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Now I don't recall all of them, not because I'm
trying to be evasive or anything, but I just don't
remember them all. And after a while, you know, in
the incredible job that you have all of you, that
when you're so high pressured and you're spending so much
time with extraordinary people like you do with President Trump,
it can blur. It just does. And those few things
that stand out, because at the end it's all just
(06:31):
extraordinary as cars and sirens and president It's like whoa Okay, Blanche,
So I understand, But Maxwell, right, I understand. You can't
give specific numbers. Describe more about the kind of your
your part of your life and your relationship. I'm using relationship.
You don't like relationships, Maxwell, right, Blanche, and sorry, and
(06:54):
your Maxwell my employer, Blanche. Yes, just describe what you
were doing with those individual rules. So when I say
those individuals I'm talking about former President Clinton, Doug, other
folks that work with them, Maxwell, all of them. Yes,
there were loads of them, and just all of them,
you know, the team. I don't need to give you
all the names. You have them at your fingertips, and
(07:16):
I can confirm if you give me names, I'll say yes,
because they're not all going to pop into my head.
So Blanche, right, Maxwell, Okay, So I started spending a
lot of time. I don't want to characterize that, but
I started spending a lot of time with former President
and with Doug and his team. And I had no
purpose really other than I obviously offered something I don't know,
(07:37):
ideas I don't know. Anyway, he started to travel. I
don't remember if the first trip was Africa or how
it went, but at some point I think there was
actually two trips, but I'm not sure. So there was
to Europe and then to Africa, and I think maybe
all was one trip. And at some point mister Epstein
said he didn't want to go on the trip and
he was going somewhere else and he just left, and
(07:59):
I was like, well, okay, and so I ended up
doing the whole trip without mister Epstein. Or his plane, Blanche.
And when you were traveling with them, what were the
purpose of the trips, Like, is this one? Maxwell cuts
them off. I think actually it was the aides was
one of the primary ones for his AIDS foundation when
he was working to do that, and there were always
(08:21):
humanitarian side to the trip. And we went to Egypt
and there was oh yeah, Blanche. So it sounds like
you're describing right now one trip with lots of stops. Maxwell.
It could be, but I have a feeling that I
went on other trips, but I can't remember, Blanche, you
went on these, Maxwell cuts them off. I went to London,
Blanche went to London, Okay, Maxwell. I don't know if
(08:43):
that's the same trip, Blanche. When you went on these trips,
were you always on mister Epstein's plane, Maxwell, No, or
did sometimes someone accompany them on a different plane? Maxwell? Correct, Yes, Blanche,
how many were on mister Epstein's plane? Again, I'm not
holding you to exact numbers, Maxwell, that was a full
(09:05):
that was packed because it was a lot of Secret Service.
It took all the secret services as well, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
So it was whatever the detail is for secret Service,
it's a lot, Blanche, And on how many occasions besides
the trip you just described, were there other times when
they used when President Clinton and the folks he's with
(09:27):
use mister Epstein's plane, Glenn Maxwell, I think there was twice.
Maybe there was that, but it will reflect on the logs.
There won't be anything that's not on the logs that
you have already. Blanche, Were you, by the way, responsible
for the logs in any way, Like you've seen the
logs and they're a public and you have them in discovery.
(09:47):
But over the years when you were working with or
for mister Epstein, did you have access to the logs? Maxwell?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
No, never.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
The pilots the logbook that was their personal logbook. I
never saw them have it. I never saw them fill
it in. And then there was a second set of logs,
the flight manifests, and I never saw those either. I
was never allowed, I suppose because he didn't want me
to see Blanche. So do you know whether mister Epstein
had a separate relationship with President Clinton different from the
(10:16):
one you just described, so different that being with him
with respect to his foundation or something like this. Maxwell,
I would say, no, Blanche, when's the last time that
you went on a trip or saw President Clinton. It
was late two thousand and I don't know, sixteen seventeen eighteen.
It was in Los Angeles, Blanche. And what was the
(10:37):
purpose of the meeting, Maxwell? I think he was hosting
something or he was at an event and I was
in LA and I had dinner with them, Blanche. Did
you ever meet Secretary Clinton? Hillary Clinton? Yes, Blanche, when'd
you meet her? Maxwell? I want to say again, please
don't hold me to it, but I want to say
that it was on a flight that came from the island,
(10:58):
from the island from Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard back to
New York. Is what I think I might be wrong. Okay,
so an East Coast island like Nantucket, Maxwell, Yes, Maxwell,
the ex president never came to the island, Blanche. Is
that the only time that you met Hillary Clinton? Maxwell? No,
(11:19):
I went to the house in Chappaqua a few times, Blanche.
And why did you go to the house, Maxwell? I
was invited, Blanche, just to see President Clinton or Hillary
or both. Maxwell. Yeah, I mean as a friend, not
for I don't there was no I don't remember any reason.
Either was somehow I communicated that was incoming driving back
(11:41):
past Chappaqua, or if they were home and stop in.
I know it sounds a little flippant, it couldn't have
been something, Blanche. And do you know whether mister Epstein
knew or had any sort of visit dealings or associations
with Hillary Clinton? Maxwell, I would say no, Blanche. Did
you ever see them together? Maxwell? Know? Oh, Blanche, did
(12:02):
you ever know whether mister Epstein did any business transactions
with the Clintons? Maxwell, Well, I'm not sure I can.
I'm not sure how to quite. I don't know the
answer to that strictly because I was part of the
beginning process of the Clinton Global Initiative and that was
something that I helped with and that was me and
Epstein may have helped them too, And in that context
(12:23):
he may well be involved himself, but only in the
context of something that I was trying to do, Blanche.
So when you say involved himself, meaning like give money
to the Clinton Global Initiative or something like this, Maxwell, Well,
so there's that. I think he did that, and I
believe the money that he may have given could have
been independent of me. But I think it's just easier
(12:44):
if I just tell you how it happened. Otherwise it
sounds odd and funky. I went to Davis with the
former president. Have you been to Davis Blanche and what Maxwell?
Have you been to Davis Blanche?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I have not?
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Okay, Well, you know, you know what it's like, right,
So I thought the former president should have his own
Davis because it would be And it turned out that
they had been thinking about it anyway, and so we
were talking about it, and you know, it's a very
heavy lift to get something like that to go. And
I was friendly with one of the people. I don't
know if he was at the beginning of Davis, but
(13:20):
he was running it. I don't know how to describe
his actual role. And he had conversations with him about
what he did, you know, just because I was having
dinner with him, about if Clinton could get something like
that to go, what was his thoughts. And he was
very enthusiastic. I mean, he was like, that's just an
incredible idea. So I put them together. That person's name,
(13:43):
do you remember Maxwell? I knew you were going to
ask me, Blanche. Maxwell. I ken Blanche didn't know if
you knew his name or remember Maxwell. I do know,
I do, but I just Blanche can't remember his name, Okay, Maxwell,
It'll come to me, Come to me tomorrow. But eventually
these things like surface from the middle of the night, Blanche, Yeah,
(14:06):
Maxwell that I couldn't remember from yesterday, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
But his name will come to me and if not,
we can find it. All right, So we're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All of the information
that goes with this episode can be found in the
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
(14:27):
of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna get
right back to Glenn Maxwell and are a fireside chat
with Todd, Blanche and the DOJ. Maxwell. But his name
will come to me, and if not, we can find it, Blanche, okay.
Staying on your relationship, your association with the Clintons, you
(14:49):
are part of the ramp up or the startup of
the Clinton Global Initiative, Maxwell, I was and helping them
in their effort. Maxwell, I would say very central to that, yes, Blanche,
and mister Epstein was he part of the work around
that or just in support of you? Maxwell? He supported
me to help them but then I think he may
have tried to use that to insert himself in some
(15:10):
way that would not have surprised me at all. So
not only is she protecting Trump, she's protecting the Clintons.
Not shocking.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Power protects power, like I've told you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
From the very beginning, And I know that he was
annoying in terms that I could catch him on the
phone and he wouldn't always agree with what I wanted
to do. And I was like, it's not your idea,
I don't really care what you think. But that didn't
go over so well Blanche, and to that he's cut
off again. Maxwell. Oh, I just want to say, it
wasn't my idea for his CGI. Blanche say it again, Maxwell,
(15:45):
it's not my idea. They had the idea before. I
just helped bring key personnel. Blanche cuts her off. You're
saying the idea of President Clinton kind of having his
own Davis like to that cut off by Maxwell, I didn't,
that's not and Blanche cuts her off. Understood, Maxwell, I
don't try to elevate myself in any form of importance here. Well,
(16:07):
that's because you're not important maybe in your own mind,
but to anyone who has a brain in their head.
They know that you're a vile animal. Blanche. No, I
understand Maxwell. Okay, Blanche, did you go to Davis with
President Clinton more than once or just once?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Maxwell?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I can't remember once for sure, and I think maybe twice,
but I don't remember. Blanche, you're not aware of President
Clinton ever going to the island? Maxwell, He never, absolutely
never went, and I could be sure of that because
there is no way he would have gone. I don't
believe that there's any way he would have gone to
the island had I not been there, because I don't
(16:44):
believe he had an independent friendship, if you will, with Epstein.
So I guess that mister Scully is a liar. And
it's easy to call Virginia a liar now that she's dead.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Unfortunately for Maxwell, the last time she did that, she
ended up charged with perjury.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Did they speak? Did they go? Yes? But that's very.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Different from going to spend time on an island. And Plus,
the story as told is so patently absurd that I
flew him in a helicopter. I am a helicopter pilot,
that is true, But the notion of me flying an
ex president in a machine that would terrify me. I
would never even take that responsibility. Can you imagine? Yeah, No, Blanche,
(17:24):
did you ever go with President Clinton any of Epstein's properties? Maxwell,
I cut off by Blanche, So like New Mexico, pom Beach,
or New York. Maxwell, I have no memory of him
in any of those places. Well, I can tell you
that she's lying. I trust my sources much more than
I trust Glenn Maxwell, and those sources have all confirmed
(17:45):
that the Clintons used to vacation at Zoro Ranch when
you were in London with President Clinton. Did you ever
go to your flat with him? Maxwell? I don't think
he did, because this like it's he wouldn't. He wouldn't
even be able to carry all the secret service with them.
I don't think so, No, Blanche. We talked a little
bit about the Duchess of York, about Sarah Ferguson yesterday.
(18:08):
When's the last time? When's the last time you saw?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Were you?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Do you have a or hang out with her? Socializing
with her in the nineties two thousands both, Maxwell. I
don't know if she liked me very much. I think
my friendship with her ex husband, well, sometimes she really
did like me and sometimes she didn't, So maybe a
frenemy I don't know. Well, yeah, that's because he was
playing hide the SLAMI with Glenn Maxwell. We all know
(18:33):
what's up. We all know that Jeffrey Epstein and Prince
Andrew are Eskimo brothers. Blanche, Okay, it was always friendly
when we were together, but I think that there was
some latent hostility. Well, I wonder fucking why, Blanche, is
that something you've heard since everything came out or along
the way you felt that way, Maxwell, No, that's how
(18:55):
I felt. That is a characterization of myself. That's how
I felt about her. I was always friendly with her.
I mean, I've seen her many many times, and she's
also super super close with other people I'm very good
friends with in England. I think that she liked mister Epstein. Blanche,
why do you think that? Maxwell? My female intuition. Blanche okay,
(19:18):
LEAs Safian Discovery, Maxwell, oh, LEAs Saffian the car chasing
Lea Saffian. You know the lady that was involved in
the stupid ass staging of Glenn Maxwell reading the CIA book.
Remember that lady. Yeah, this is her, Lea Safian the
letter Maxwell, I don't remember it, Blanche?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Maxwell, Well, I know it's not possible. I know that
there is discovery, but I don't recall. But I think
she had a thing for him, Blanche. There's some actors
or some folks from Hollywood that I want to ask
you about. Just understand whether you knew them or mister
Epstein knew them. Chris Tucker, Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, how did
(19:59):
you know? Mister? These are all names we've all heard before.
And imagine bringing up Chris Tucker before you bring up
Sarah Helen Vickers. Yeah, the fix isn't in. Everything's on
the up and up. Come on, Bobby, you're just being crazy, bro,
you're being very cynical about this. Meanwhile, this is a
hot pile of steaming shit that they're trying to make
(20:21):
us all take a bite of. Well, I won't participate.
If you want to believe this shit for what it is, cool,
I don't care. I've told you folks a million times
that my job isn't to convince anybody of anything. My
job is to open these doors and then when you
walk through them, it's up to you to believe what
you want to believe. But if they think this dumbass
(20:42):
fairy tale is gonna work on me. They got another
thing coming because there's zero chance everything she's talking about bullshit.
All the people they're asking about, we know about, all
the real people they should be asking about, silence. So
what does that say to you? Does this look like
a all encompassing deep dive or are we collectively getting
(21:02):
screwed again without even a reach around? We all know
the deal, Blanche, President Clinton. Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche, go ahead, yep. Maxwell.
But I also think that they kept a little bit
in touch, and I think we met or I have
a memory of him in LA.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think they sort of loosely stayed in touch, Blanche.
Do you know mister Tucker besides that flight? Maxwell? No,
Well that's because Chris Tucker had nothing to do with
these people, Blanche. And do you know whether when you
say things that you kept in touch, you mean you
think that mister Epstein and mister Tucker Maxwell, they may have.
I didn't, but he might have. I'm not sure, Blanche.
(21:43):
Kevin Spacey Maxwell, I know him also from the same flight, Blanche,
Aside from that flight, do you know him from anything else? Maxwell? No, Blanche,
Naomi Campbell. Maxwell, Yes, I do know Naomi, and I
knew her before I met mister Epstein and former President Clinton. Blanche.
Do you know whether mister Epstein separately knew miss Campbell Maxwell?
(22:04):
I think he probably met her through me that I imagine, Blanche.
And so for those three, mister Tucker, mister Spacey and
miss Campbell, did they ever travel to any of mister
Epstein's properties the island of New Mexico, Maxwell, not mister Tucker, Well,
not to my knowledge, mister Tucker or mister Spacey. Naomi
Campbell may have Blanche to wear Maxwell, Well, I believe
(22:27):
she visited him in Palm Beach, and I believe she
may have gone to the island, and she may have
gone to see his house in New York. Whether she
went to New Mexico or Paris as well. Maybe they
were friends or friendly, Blanche, what you just said, she
may have were you on those trips? Maxwell, I don't
have any independent memory of that, so I'm not sure.
I don't think so, Maxwell. Her relationship, her friendship, I
(22:51):
think you're making me use your word. Her friendship whatever
with mister Epstein was independent to me, Blanche. Okay, but
you also had a separate her friendship with her before
you met mister Epstein. Maxwell, I did, Blanche, Okay, Larry Summers,
the former Secretary of the Treasury, Do you know that person?
Maxwell I did? Yes, Blanche? How Maxwell I met mister
(23:15):
Summers through mister Epstein, Blanche, and the same question just
generally time period? Are you talking about early two thousands,
nineties a little after that? Maxwell, I honestly really don't know, Blanche. Okay, Maxwell,
I did want to say something I forgot that there
was yesterday you asked me about mister Epstein's properties. He
had a rental house in Boston as well, but not
(23:37):
for very long. But it was another place that I
had to put together and I only went with him once,
and he would go there independently of me. No, I
would not go with him. No. Talk about the ski
chalet in Veil though, huh that he bought from Elizabeth Johnson. Interesting?
Or how about the other house in New York that
he had No talk about that either, Huh. It's almost
(23:57):
as if I know more than the fucking doj. Hey,
you know how terrifying that is, because breaking fucking news.
I'm half a moron, and even my ass can put
this together. But the doj N they're in the dark, right,
they have no idea what's going on? Blanche. Mister Summers,
do you know why? Do you know what his relationship
was with mister Epstein business personal? Both or don't know? Maxwell.
(24:21):
I think he spoke to mister Epstein about business a lot,
but I think they were friends. They were friendly, Blanche.
Do you know whether mister Summers ever traveled on mister
Epstein's planes to any of the properties that mister Epstein owned. Maxwell.
He may have, but I don't think if he did,
I was on any of the flights. I mean, those
are another issue. I traveled so much that I really
(24:43):
the flights just blur, Blanche. I understand George Soros. Maxwell,
I don't think he knew him. I did, but I
don't think he did. I don't think. Oh this is
not anything that's contrived. Huh.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So you have Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Calling for Rico against George Soros, while you have Donald
Trump's former personal attorney asking about George Soros in the
Maxwell meeting. Nothing to see here, folks, Blanche, how did
you know mister Soros? Maxwell? I was friends with his kids, Blanche,
Which kids Maxwell John and I can't think of his
(25:17):
other child. I can't think. I mean, I've lost his name.
Lea Safian Alexander Maxwell, who Saffian Alexander Maxwell? I met him,
but just socially. He may not remember even having met me.
I was excited to meet him, Blanche, when are you
thinking when you have met him? Maxwell? If I met him,
it would have been at an event, I think, or
(25:40):
I think Actually, no, in the Hamptons I met him.
He was staying at somebody's house, if my memory serves Blanche,
And what was your relationship? How did you know his kids? Maxwell?
I was out and about in New York a lot, Blanche,
just socially, Maxwell, just socially, yes, Blanche. Do you know
whether mister Soros or his kids ever traveled on mister
(26:02):
Epstein's planes? Maxwell, I don't think so. Hey, you know
who did travel on mister Epstein's planes though, Stevemnuchin? How
about we talked about Steve Mnuchin? Any questions about him
or why he was in business with Jean Luke Brunel.
Did mister Soros ever visit the Island or New Mexico?
Blanche ass Maxwell, No, I don't think so, Blanche Paris. Okay,
(26:25):
try to identify the names that have come up either
publicly that come to mind that we haven't talked about
a lot of names, a lot of names. And there
are some folks, if you think we've forgotten to ask
you about, if we've forgotten to ask you about, really
you're the fucking DOJ. You put El Choppo in prison,
you put El Mio in prison. You can find terrorists
(26:45):
in caves in Toro Bora, but you need Glen Maxwell
to pieces together for you. Nobody's buying it. Baby Billy
Blanche Maxwell, Well, you asked me about names, and I
have some names, and I just want to give you
some context for the names as well. Todd Blanche Sure.
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
in the next episode we're gonna pick up where we
(27:06):
left off. All of the information that goes with this
episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this episode, we're picking up where we left off with
Glenn Maxwell and her fireside chat with the DOJ and
Baby Billy Blanche Blanche.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Maxwell, So we talked about Elizabeth Johnson yesterday. Blanche, Uh huh. Maxwell.
She had a boyfriend and he was Frederick Focai, the hairdresser,
and he and Epstein were friendly, very friendly. Another person
I talked about years ago Blanche And then what time
period are you talking about, Maxwell, well, Blanche, like nineties,
(27:51):
two thousands or both. Maxwell, I think the two thousands
actually for that you can date that because it was
from I think he probably knew Frederick before he dated Elizabeth. Blanche.
And when you say they were very friendly, did they
travel together, Maxwell, I don't know if they traveled together.
I mean Epstein didn't go out very much. I mean
(28:12):
he did go out, and sometimes if he did, I
think he would go out with maybe Frederick Foukai. And
then I mean he had a bunch of guys that
I know that he would see her meet. But I
guess now he had new friends. So I don't know Blanche. Okay,
what are the other names? Maxwell?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So Henry Jureki who had an island near his Henry
was a financier who was the guy who cornered the
silver market back in the day. Another person we talked
about all news that we all know about already, Maxwell
is not some rose at is Stone. She doesn't have
the answers. Instead, all she has is more bullshit Todd, Blanche.
(28:52):
He had an island in the Caribbean near mister Epstein. Maxwell. Yeah,
in the British Virgin Islands, Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, And there
was Branson's island there. Now I know that there is
an allegation that they met. I think I remember that
I went to Richard Branson's island with mister Epstein, and
maybe he went another time. I wouldn't characterize Richard Branson
(29:12):
and him as friends, but he did go, and I
think I went with him. Blanche. Do you know whether
mister Branson ever came to Epstein's island, Maxwell, If he did,
I was not there, Blanche Okay, Maxwell. But it's possible
Blanche understood Blanche. Who else Maxwell, Marvin Minsky. He had
(29:33):
a group of scientists that he was very very friendly with,
all centered around Harvard, So I remember him. Martin Oak
who's a mathematician, Stephen Jay Gould. I don't know if
Steven came through the Harvard angle, but I know that
there was he would excuse me. Epstein would have dinners
at his house that I was tasked to organize, and
that scientists were a very major component of that. These
(29:57):
weren't social dinners as much as they were a scientific
He would discuss whatever he would discuss, But if you
were in the area of brain cognition, he would invite
them to his house and they would come, all of them,
any names you can name, they would be there, Blanche.
So let's talk about that those associations or relationships with
the mathematicians and with Harvard, and I think the MIT
(30:19):
to some extent as well, Blanche. From what you observed,
what's the reason behind him developing those ties with Harvard,
with MIT and with certain professors and others associated with
those institutions. Maxwell, he really was profoundly interested in the
area of science and in the brain I mean Stephen J.
Gould or the major scientists of happiness. I mean a
(30:42):
came I believe from a genuine area of interest, Blanche.
How did he become friends with them? How was he
able to spend time with them? Meaning did he donate
to the university and then they were kind of Maxwell
certain Blanche cuts are off it was mandatory fun for them?
Or did they have relations with them where he would
(31:02):
you know Maxwell. I don't know Blanche host them. Maxwell.
I don't if the chicken or the egg came first,
Blanche okay. But when I first met him, I mean,
he was already doing a lot of this stuff I've read.
So this is why I'm saying it. I was not
responsible for this area of interest. I mean, I certainly sorry.
(31:24):
Just to bounce the second before it slips my mind
and I leave something out. There was an institute New
Mexico called Anyone the Institute. It's very famous. We're not
talking about Alamos Santa Fe Institute. I mean, for real,
nobody in the room knows. Huh. This is your FBI
at work, folks. Don't you feel safe anyway? All right,
(31:44):
there's a very famous institute in New Mexico. So you
can look it up. It'll come to you at the
minute you put in your computer, Blanche okay. Maxwell. And
they had some of the biggest brains ever. The relationship
came through me, that's me, And that's because my father
was one of the major scientific hit up my family
fortune when I had one, and it came from scientific publishing.
(32:07):
And when I started from the thing that you were
asking yesterday, my father was in the Second World War,
I told you, and he won the Military Cross and
then he actually did become what was part of the
intelligence back in the war, and his job was to
interrogate German scientists and prisoners of war. And then that
parlayed into business with the Springer of Verlag and into
(32:27):
the paragom Press, which was the scientific journal business. And
he had an interest. He believed that knowledges would prevent
war and the biggest scientific discoveries, well not all of them,
but many of them are coming from the Eastern Bloc.
And that's how we have the relationship with the Santa
Fe Institute and Murray Gentleman specifically. And I introduced Epstein
(32:49):
to Murray Gentleman. Sorry to go off on a tangent blanche.
This is at the Santa Fe Institute. Yes, thank you,
And Murray Gentleman was there, and Marry Gentleman and Epstein
got along very very well. You know, they didn't even
want to talk to me at that place. They were like, look,
you gotta go, homie, we don't have any time to
talk to you. Epstein never heard of him. We have
(33:10):
no idea who that is. But I will say that
the Institute's campus is beautiful, There's no doubt about that.
For the little bit of time I was there, very
very nice, Maxwell, he was the man. Sorry, Blanche, do
you know whether when you met mister Epstein in the
early nineties, continuing on so not that what he had
(33:33):
done before? Why do you think from what you saw
or what you heard, he had a relationship or wanted
to have the relationship that he had with Harvard and
with MIT Maxwell. So I think that may have come
with Wexner. I'm not sure, but that's something that I
think Wexner may have had a relationship with Harvard and
that he used that relationship to I believe he funded
(33:53):
a lot and if he didn't that his clients, of
which Wexner was obviously one, would fund and he would
then make he would arrange the fund or to that
Blanche cuts her off. Maxwell continues organize the fund or
I don't know, Blanche, Okay, we'll take a break in
a minute, but just to kind of set up for
(34:14):
what we're going to talk about next, we talked yesterday
morning about mister Epstein's kind of business and how he
had money. Did he seem to live behind his means
as far as what he was making. So did you
ever get the sense while you were with him that
it was suspicious or curious? How he was able to
have the funds too, you know, by you know, to planes,
you know, an island and New Mexico, the ranch almost
(34:37):
unlimited funds. Maxwell, you said it perfectly. I thought it
was astonishing, but I didn't have any reason to believe
that it came from anything nefarious. I saw him work.
I never saw him really do anything other than be
on the phone. There's that, and he had a lot
of meetings, but he had a lot of accounts, and
he dealt with pretty much every financier that you care
to mention. And if I could have access to those names,
(34:59):
i'd be able to tell you which ones. I just
don't remember them all, but in every bank, Goldman, Lehman,
all of them to my mind anyway, and most of
the major businesses. At the time, he was in the
Council of Foreign Relations, so you had access. That's an
extraordinary list of people.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
It just is.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You asked me about his So I thought about it
last night. How to try and explain what it was?
And I think the best thing is to focus only
on Wexner's business. So I was present for some of
their meetings in some of their businesses, and I listened,
and so those things that I personally recollect and I
know I heard was that he would when I told
(35:37):
you yesterday, I think that he would no detail was
too small. He would do contracts with the staff, I think,
and I saw that myself. And he also organized all
the trusts for all the children. So if Wexner had kids,
I don't know if he did. He did have children,
so every time there was a child, he would create
a trust for that child. These were complex financial structures
(35:58):
that would contain stocks of the various businesses. He restructured
when I was there. Wexner's business in its entirety, as
I recollect. And then not only that, but there were
the business interests. So Wexner owned or built or designed
or I don't know quite how to characterize it, but
New Albany, which is the center outside of Ohio, Columbus,
Ohio specifically, I remember this conversation. He built himself a
(36:22):
very large house, like truly enormous, and it's one of
the biggest private homes I've ever been to. And he
built all the houses around him, and I'm like, this
is so random. Why would you do that? And he
said to me, well, because I want to make sure
that the people around me are my friends. I want
my friends around me and my neighbors. And I was like, well, whatever, okay.
(36:42):
You know, I've been around enormous wealth my whole life
and at some point I just say, okay, whatever, I
get it, and I don't. And so that's what he did.
But Epstein ran New Albany, which included a country club
and a golf club. I mean, gosh, your boss is
one of the all time greats, you know, businessmen in
this area. You know what that is, and he certainly does.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So there be that.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
And there was a business that Epstein. Well, he told
me he owned it, but of course I can't say
that for sure because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But it's a sports thing. Riddell. Is that a business?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Rye Dell? I thought about it last night. It's red
and had hats helmets, Rye Dell's Leasafi and Rye Dell Maxwell,
Rye Dell, Yeah right, Dell's Blanche. Okay, So now he
owned that, well, he told me he owned it, But
how he owned it? I don't know, but that was
before I think I came in and he had it,
or he said he had it, Blanche got it Maxwell
(37:35):
and he had other businesses. I know this notion that
he did nothing and he just was a grifter and whatnot.
I'm not going to say that's not true, but it's
not what I saw, and it's not what I believe
is true, not because it couldn't have been that he
didn't grift or whatever the word is off, but I
saw where I thought looked like real work. Blanche, Well,
(37:56):
why don't we take a break, Okay, David Marcus, Yeah,
thank you, spent Horn. All right, the time is now
ten thirty five, and we'll take a break. And I
think that's the perfect time for us to take a
break as well. So we're gonna wrap up right here,
and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
gonna pick up where we left off. All of the
information that goes with this episode can be found in
(38:17):
the description box.
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