November 24, 2025 • 12 mins
Maxwell’s legal team has signalled that she will invoke her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination if she’s required to testify before the House Oversight Committee (or other congressional investigators) without pre-conditions being met. Specifically, her attorneys have said she will refuse to answer questions unless immunity from further prosecution is granted, the questions are provided in advance, her pending appeals (including to the Supreme Court) are resolved, and the setting is acceptable (for example, not in her prison facility). Without those safeguards, the firm position is that she will “plead the Fifth” and not participate.
Because Congress has so far declined to provide the kind of immunity or guarantees Maxwell’s counsel demands, the committee chair (James Comer) has publicly stated that she “won’t answer any questions” and will invoke the Fifth. Thus, barring a change in those conditions, her testimony appears to be off the table and the committee may opt not to expend resources if she will simply refuse to engage.
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Because Congress has so far declined to provide the kind of immunity or guarantees Maxwell’s counsel demands, the committee chair (James Comer) has publicly stated that she “won’t answer any questions” and will invoke the Fifth. Thus, barring a change in those conditions, her testimony appears to be off the table and the committee may opt not to expend resources if she will simply refuse to engage.
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Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-epstein-chronicles--5003294/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. The brainy acts over at the Department of
Justice rolled out their latest publicity stunt like a late
night infomercial, promising miracle results with absolutely zero effort, Act
now and will unseal grand jury documents. They shout, as
if the world hasn't already figured out that grand jury
(00:21):
paperwork is a legal equivalent of an empty cereal box,
crinkly noise, zero nutrition, and crumbs of nothing. And I
don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of watching
them pretend that this is the key to unlocking the truth.
It's more like banging a bunch of pots and pans
thinking that they're conducting the New York Philharmonic. And meanwhile,
(00:42):
the real problem, the rancid, festering corpse called the non
prosecution Agreement, sits in the center of the room like
a bloated whale carcass covered by a beach towel, and
everyone in government's just pretending they can't smell it. They're
buying time, hoping that the public loses interest, waiting for
another shot. I need distraction to walk by wearing a
sequined outfit and big sunglasses. They want to be the
(01:05):
heroes in a story where they're the villains wearing cheap
Halloween masks. Every time they announced something like this, you
think Jesus himself just ascended from the heavens carrying stone tablets. Instead,
it's some assistant deputy bureaucrat with the charisma of a
wet paper napkin, explaining why releasing redacted transcripts of already
known testimony is a revolutionary act. The reporter's nod like
(01:28):
bobbleheads in a rental corolla, scribbling notes They don't believe
because their editors already picked the headline before they left
the office. The whole performance smells like somebody for breathing
a murder scene instead of cleaning it. Everyone pretends not
to notice the blood's soaking through the carpet. Everyone pretends
the flowers on the table hide the stench. Everyone pretends
(01:49):
this is justice instead of theater. These fools aren't opening doors,
they're polishing the doorknobs. But don't worry. They insist the
truth is near. The truth just needs one or a
carefully scheduled legal maneuver. One more procedural dance Number one
more round of sorry, we can't comment on ongoing investigations,
sung in four part harmony by people whose souls ran
(02:10):
away years ago. It's a joke, but nobody laughs because
laughing means acknowledging just how absurd this really is. Instead,
we grit our teeth until they crack. Meanwhile, the NPA
sits like an unexploded bomb. Everyone tiptoes around, pretending it's
just an oddly shaped decoration. It should have been incinerated
the moment evidence surface proving the government was deceived, manipulated,
(02:33):
and flat out defrauded by Jeffrey Epstein and his band
of legal creeps. But of course that would require courage,
and courage is extinct in Washington unless it comes with
a sponsorship deal and a logo backdrop. The NPA is
a fortress built to protect reputations, not justice. It's the
emergency parachute for powerful parasites who can't afford to hit
(02:55):
the ground. It's the firewall between the truth and the
people who burn for it. And here's the part they
won't tell you, but I will. Trump doesn't need Congress,
he doesn't need the courts, he doesn't need the DJ's permission,
slip or a magic spell from a federal judge. All
he needs is a pen and ten seconds of spine density.
But every time the subject comes up, he calls it
(03:17):
a hoax. If he can launch missiles during dessert and
brag about it, if he can fire cabinet members the
way teenagers delete text messages, if he can rewrite policy
by tweeting half drunk at two am, then he can
rip up a fraudulent agreement signed in the shadows to
protect predators. But he doesn't. And that's the part nobody
wants to say out loud because it burns going up.
(03:39):
He won't touch the NPA because it's the skeleton key
to every lock room in this whole rotten mansion. They're
rearranging rotten hay while pretending the river is coming any
minute now. They schedule meetings to schedule meetings about meetings.
They love process because process delays consequence. Process is their religion.
(04:00):
Process is their weapon, Process is their shield, and every
announcement is a rerun. They show it like a sitcom
episode from ninety eight, where everyone already knows the punchline,
but collapse anyway. Tonight, on a very special episode of
Justice theater. The DOJ pretends to on earth hidden truth
while hiding the real truth somewhere else. Q applause, Q
(04:22):
dramatic music, Q credits, Q nothing. It's a slow motion
con and we're expected to admire the artistry. And if
you listen closely, you'll notice that nobody in power ever
even uses the letters NPA in public. It's Voldemort level forbidden.
Say it out loud and the wall starts sweating. Mention
it in a hearing, and microphones mysteriously malfunction. Ask a
(04:44):
direct question and watch pupils dilate like cornered animals. You'd
think the document contained the launch codes for nuclear warheads
instead of the truth about a child trafficker and the
collection of famous ghouls who rode the gravy train. They
think they can outrun time. They think they can outrun
the survivors. They think they can outrun the Internet. They
really think that you're going to forget. They genuinely believe
(05:08):
if they keep dropping shiny distractions like breadcrumbs, the public
won't notice the wolves. But they don't understand how much
is changed. They don't understand rage with direction. They don't
understand what happens when ordinary people stop believing in fairy tales.
They want a bury history alive. They want silence to
be permanent. They want closure without accountability, because the second
(05:32):
the NPA dies, everything else goes with it. Every show collapses,
every secret becomes evidence, every name becomes oxygen, and they
know it. That's why they fight like drowning men. So
instead we get this song and dance routine about grand
jury papers, like there's some sacred relic that will change civilization,
while the real weapon sits on touch behind glass. They're
(05:53):
trying to sell knockoff justice to people who already paid
full price. And if they were smart, they'd rip up
the themselves and pretend they always wanted to. But they're
not smart. They're arrogant, and they think that time is
on their side. Today's article was published by CNN and
the headline Justice Department again asked judge to unseal Epstein
(06:16):
grand jury testimony after Congress passes law. This article was
authored by Alison Maine and this is just to give
that red meat out right. Hey, look, we told the
courts to give us this information and they refused, So
it's their fault, not Donald Trump's. But we all know
that the grand jury process is a lot more difficult
than that. Maybe later i'll post the episode where I
(06:38):
explain why it's so difficult, because you don't just get
grand jury documentation when you ask for it. There is
a whole process, and if you don't fit the parameters
of that process, you're not going to get the information.
But even more importantly, that information from the grand jury
is not going to lead us down any paths where
(06:58):
we're going to get to the truth or any kind
of justice. Now, look, I'm not saying I wouldn't want
to see it. I want to see everything. But they're
doing this on purpose when they could be focused on, oh,
I don't know the NPA. Instead, they're over here focused
on grand jury documents that they know they're not going
to get. The Justice Department is asked a federal judge
(07:19):
in Florida to reconsider unsealing grand jury material related to
an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, as the agency faces a
congressionally mandated deadline to release all documents related to the
accused sex trafficker next month. A judge in the Southern
District of Florida previously denied a request by the DOJ
to make public transcripts from the case, which federal prosecutors
(07:42):
asked for due to extensive public interest, but not as
part of a judicial proceeding. Epstein committed many of his
crimes in Florida. When a Florida judge denied the DOJ's
original request, she said her hands are tied because the
Justice Department sought to release the sealed evidence due to
extend of public interest, not as part of a judicial proceeding,
(08:03):
which is the usual standard in a filing. On Friday,
the Justice Department cited the passage of a law early
last week of a law mandating the release of all
of its Epstein files within thirty days, arguing public production
of the grand jury material is therefore required. Yo, this
is like, very very ridiculous. They're over here demanding that
(08:24):
this grand jury shit gets released and not doing the
things that are in their power to do. Now, if
you are doing it all at the same time, great,
but they're not. This is nothing more than performative. This
is looking for a scapegoat. This is looking to direct
the outrage somewhere else, and I'm not buying it. In
light of the acts clearer mandate the Court should authorize
(08:45):
the Department of Justice to release the grand jury transcripts
and lift any pre existing protective orders that would otherwise
prevent public disclosure. The filing says, and look again, I'm
not saying that I don't want to see it. I do,
but they're trying to pitch it as something it's not.
It's not going to be this key that leads us
to victory. It's not going to show us things we
don't know. All it's gonna do is add a little context.
(09:08):
And while that's important, I think the main thing should
be the NPA, and I've said that from the very beginning.
That is the most restrictive document in this whole entire thing.
But the legislation, which President Donald Trump signed into law
last week does not specifically mention grand jury material. The law,
formerly titled the Epstein Files Transparency Act, was passed by
(09:30):
the House of Representatives almost unanimously earlier this month. The
Senate then passed the bill through unanimous consent. It's not
clear what files the Justice Department will release, or if
it won't be released due to some of the ongoing investigations.
What a bunch of bs If they don't release documents
because of that investigation. Folks, you know the fixes in now.
(09:53):
I'm sure most of you know the fixes in already,
but you get my drift. There's no denying it. If
that's the case, Trump is asked the DOJ to investigate
Epstein's ties to many other high profile figures associated with
the Democratic Party, including Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Reed Hoffman, J. P.
Morgan Chase, and many other people and institutions. Pretty sure
(10:17):
all those people, as far as institution wise, are wrapped
up with everybody. You think JP Morgan Chase or the
rest of them are just doing banking with one person.
They're just doing banking with one side of the aisle.
These sons of bitches have their fingers and everybody's pie,
including yours. The grand jury testimony that the Department seeks
(10:39):
to release, however, is only a small portion of the
thousands of documents related to the Epstein investigation and criminal case.
Many of those documents are already in the Justice Department
custody and may not have been presented to the jury
in Florida. Look, the whole entire thing about Florida too,
has to be examined, and in fact, we're going to
have another episode about that, because it's important. The players
(11:03):
that were down there need to be held accountable. Everybody
that was involved in this non prosecution agreement held accountable
at the very least answer for why they did what
they did. And I don't mean some stupid ass OIG report.
I mean something with teeth. And for me, the best
way to go from here is a special investigator. That
is the only way to get to the bottom of it.
(11:24):
We can't trust the Justice Department, we can't trust the
powers that be, so we have to make a different move.
And I think that a special investigator ticks off all
the boxes. But as far as the Grand Jerry documents go,
they're not going to be the be all end all,
And in my opinion, the only reason that they're even
bringing them up is because they know it's going to
(11:45):
be in l because they want to redirect anger, so
instead of people being mad at Trump or the administration,
instead they turn their rage at the court. It's nothing
more than more distraction and more deflection, and unfortunately for them,
that's not gonna work. So cool story, bro, But we're
still gonna need all those Epstein files, all of the
(12:07):
information that goes with this episode can be found in
the description box.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. The brainy acts over at the Department of
Justice rolled out their latest publicity stunt like a late
night infomercial, promising miracle results with absolutely zero effort, Act
now and will unseal grand jury documents. They shout, as
if the world hasn't already figured out that grand jury
(00:21):
paperwork is a legal equivalent of an empty cereal box,
crinkly noise, zero nutrition, and crumbs of nothing. And I
don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of watching
them pretend that this is the key to unlocking the truth.
It's more like banging a bunch of pots and pans
thinking that they're conducting the New York Philharmonic. And meanwhile,
(00:42):
the real problem, the rancid, festering corpse called the non
prosecution Agreement, sits in the center of the room like
a bloated whale carcass covered by a beach towel, and
everyone in government's just pretending they can't smell it. They're
buying time, hoping that the public loses interest, waiting for
another shot. I need distraction to walk by wearing a
sequined outfit and big sunglasses. They want to be the
(01:05):
heroes in a story where they're the villains wearing cheap
Halloween masks. Every time they announced something like this, you
think Jesus himself just ascended from the heavens carrying stone tablets. Instead,
it's some assistant deputy bureaucrat with the charisma of a
wet paper napkin, explaining why releasing redacted transcripts of already
known testimony is a revolutionary act. The reporter's nod like
(01:28):
bobbleheads in a rental corolla, scribbling notes They don't believe
because their editors already picked the headline before they left
the office. The whole performance smells like somebody for breathing
a murder scene instead of cleaning it. Everyone pretends not
to notice the blood's soaking through the carpet. Everyone pretends
the flowers on the table hide the stench. Everyone pretends
(01:49):
this is justice instead of theater. These fools aren't opening doors,
they're polishing the doorknobs. But don't worry. They insist the
truth is near. The truth just needs one or a
carefully scheduled legal maneuver. One more procedural dance Number one
more round of sorry, we can't comment on ongoing investigations,
sung in four part harmony by people whose souls ran
(02:10):
away years ago. It's a joke, but nobody laughs because
laughing means acknowledging just how absurd this really is. Instead,
we grit our teeth until they crack. Meanwhile, the NPA
sits like an unexploded bomb. Everyone tiptoes around, pretending it's
just an oddly shaped decoration. It should have been incinerated
the moment evidence surface proving the government was deceived, manipulated,
(02:33):
and flat out defrauded by Jeffrey Epstein and his band
of legal creeps. But of course that would require courage,
and courage is extinct in Washington unless it comes with
a sponsorship deal and a logo backdrop. The NPA is
a fortress built to protect reputations, not justice. It's the
emergency parachute for powerful parasites who can't afford to hit
(02:55):
the ground. It's the firewall between the truth and the
people who burn for it. And here's the part they
won't tell you, but I will. Trump doesn't need Congress,
he doesn't need the courts, he doesn't need the DJ's permission,
slip or a magic spell from a federal judge. All
he needs is a pen and ten seconds of spine density.
But every time the subject comes up, he calls it
(03:17):
a hoax. If he can launch missiles during dessert and
brag about it, if he can fire cabinet members the
way teenagers delete text messages, if he can rewrite policy
by tweeting half drunk at two am, then he can
rip up a fraudulent agreement signed in the shadows to
protect predators. But he doesn't. And that's the part nobody
wants to say out loud because it burns going up.
(03:39):
He won't touch the NPA because it's the skeleton key
to every lock room in this whole rotten mansion. They're
rearranging rotten hay while pretending the river is coming any
minute now. They schedule meetings to schedule meetings about meetings.
They love process because process delays consequence. Process is their religion.
(04:00):
Process is their weapon, Process is their shield, and every
announcement is a rerun. They show it like a sitcom
episode from ninety eight, where everyone already knows the punchline,
but collapse anyway. Tonight, on a very special episode of
Justice theater. The DOJ pretends to on earth hidden truth
while hiding the real truth somewhere else. Q applause, Q
(04:22):
dramatic music, Q credits, Q nothing. It's a slow motion
con and we're expected to admire the artistry. And if
you listen closely, you'll notice that nobody in power ever
even uses the letters NPA in public. It's Voldemort level forbidden.
Say it out loud and the wall starts sweating. Mention
it in a hearing, and microphones mysteriously malfunction. Ask a
(04:44):
direct question and watch pupils dilate like cornered animals. You'd
think the document contained the launch codes for nuclear warheads
instead of the truth about a child trafficker and the
collection of famous ghouls who rode the gravy train. They
think they can outrun time. They think they can outrun
the survivors. They think they can outrun the Internet. They
really think that you're going to forget. They genuinely believe
(05:08):
if they keep dropping shiny distractions like breadcrumbs, the public
won't notice the wolves. But they don't understand how much
is changed. They don't understand rage with direction. They don't
understand what happens when ordinary people stop believing in fairy tales.
They want a bury history alive. They want silence to
be permanent. They want closure without accountability, because the second
(05:32):
the NPA dies, everything else goes with it. Every show collapses,
every secret becomes evidence, every name becomes oxygen, and they
know it. That's why they fight like drowning men. So
instead we get this song and dance routine about grand
jury papers, like there's some sacred relic that will change civilization,
while the real weapon sits on touch behind glass. They're
(05:53):
trying to sell knockoff justice to people who already paid
full price. And if they were smart, they'd rip up
the themselves and pretend they always wanted to. But they're
not smart. They're arrogant, and they think that time is
on their side. Today's article was published by CNN and
the headline Justice Department again asked judge to unseal Epstein
(06:16):
grand jury testimony after Congress passes law. This article was
authored by Alison Maine and this is just to give
that red meat out right. Hey, look, we told the
courts to give us this information and they refused, So
it's their fault, not Donald Trump's. But we all know
that the grand jury process is a lot more difficult
than that. Maybe later i'll post the episode where I
(06:38):
explain why it's so difficult, because you don't just get
grand jury documentation when you ask for it. There is
a whole process, and if you don't fit the parameters
of that process, you're not going to get the information.
But even more importantly, that information from the grand jury
is not going to lead us down any paths where
(06:58):
we're going to get to the truth or any kind
of justice. Now, look, I'm not saying I wouldn't want
to see it. I want to see everything. But they're
doing this on purpose when they could be focused on, oh,
I don't know the NPA. Instead, they're over here focused
on grand jury documents that they know they're not going
to get. The Justice Department is asked a federal judge
(07:19):
in Florida to reconsider unsealing grand jury material related to
an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, as the agency faces a
congressionally mandated deadline to release all documents related to the
accused sex trafficker next month. A judge in the Southern
District of Florida previously denied a request by the DOJ
to make public transcripts from the case, which federal prosecutors
(07:42):
asked for due to extensive public interest, but not as
part of a judicial proceeding. Epstein committed many of his
crimes in Florida. When a Florida judge denied the DOJ's
original request, she said her hands are tied because the
Justice Department sought to release the sealed evidence due to
extend of public interest, not as part of a judicial proceeding,
(08:03):
which is the usual standard in a filing. On Friday,
the Justice Department cited the passage of a law early
last week of a law mandating the release of all
of its Epstein files within thirty days, arguing public production
of the grand jury material is therefore required. Yo, this
is like, very very ridiculous. They're over here demanding that
(08:24):
this grand jury shit gets released and not doing the
things that are in their power to do. Now, if
you are doing it all at the same time, great,
but they're not. This is nothing more than performative. This
is looking for a scapegoat. This is looking to direct
the outrage somewhere else, and I'm not buying it. In
light of the acts clearer mandate the Court should authorize
(08:45):
the Department of Justice to release the grand jury transcripts
and lift any pre existing protective orders that would otherwise
prevent public disclosure. The filing says, and look again, I'm
not saying that I don't want to see it. I do,
but they're trying to pitch it as something it's not.
It's not going to be this key that leads us
to victory. It's not going to show us things we
don't know. All it's gonna do is add a little context.
(09:08):
And while that's important, I think the main thing should
be the NPA, and I've said that from the very beginning.
That is the most restrictive document in this whole entire thing.
But the legislation, which President Donald Trump signed into law
last week does not specifically mention grand jury material. The law,
formerly titled the Epstein Files Transparency Act, was passed by
(09:30):
the House of Representatives almost unanimously earlier this month. The
Senate then passed the bill through unanimous consent. It's not
clear what files the Justice Department will release, or if
it won't be released due to some of the ongoing investigations.
What a bunch of bs If they don't release documents
because of that investigation. Folks, you know the fixes in now.
(09:53):
I'm sure most of you know the fixes in already,
but you get my drift. There's no denying it. If
that's the case, Trump is asked the DOJ to investigate
Epstein's ties to many other high profile figures associated with
the Democratic Party, including Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Reed Hoffman, J. P.
Morgan Chase, and many other people and institutions. Pretty sure
(10:17):
all those people, as far as institution wise, are wrapped
up with everybody. You think JP Morgan Chase or the
rest of them are just doing banking with one person.
They're just doing banking with one side of the aisle.
These sons of bitches have their fingers and everybody's pie,
including yours. The grand jury testimony that the Department seeks
(10:39):
to release, however, is only a small portion of the
thousands of documents related to the Epstein investigation and criminal case.
Many of those documents are already in the Justice Department
custody and may not have been presented to the jury
in Florida. Look, the whole entire thing about Florida too,
has to be examined, and in fact, we're going to
have another episode about that, because it's important. The players
(11:03):
that were down there need to be held accountable. Everybody
that was involved in this non prosecution agreement held accountable
at the very least answer for why they did what
they did. And I don't mean some stupid ass OIG report.
I mean something with teeth. And for me, the best
way to go from here is a special investigator. That
is the only way to get to the bottom of it.
(11:24):
We can't trust the Justice Department, we can't trust the
powers that be, so we have to make a different move.
And I think that a special investigator ticks off all
the boxes. But as far as the Grand Jerry documents go,
they're not going to be the be all end all,
And in my opinion, the only reason that they're even
bringing them up is because they know it's going to
(11:45):
be in l because they want to redirect anger, so
instead of people being mad at Trump or the administration,
instead they turn their rage at the court. It's nothing
more than more distraction and more deflection, and unfortunately for them,
that's not gonna work. So cool story, bro, But we're
still gonna need all those Epstein files, all of the
(12:07):
information that goes with this episode can be found in
the description box.
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