October 14, 2025 • 12 mins
Prince Andrew, Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell appeared to rely on an old-school “Perfumo-style” strategy—deny, deflect, discredit, and distract. Rather than confronting the facts head-on, they attempted to shape the public narrative through selective denial, smearing accusers, and controlling access to damaging information. Prince Andrew’s 2019 Newsnight interview was the centerpiece of this failed effort: instead of transparency, he offered implausible explanations and bizarre excuses, such as not being able to sweat or remembering a night at Pizza Express. Meanwhile, his aides and allies floated claims that the now-infamous photo with Virginia Giuffre might have been doctored, a tactic echoing the disinformation and misdirection playbook used during the 1963 Profumo scandal.
Epstein and Maxwell took this same approach to a global scale. Epstein relied on non-disclosure agreements, hush money, and influence over powerful figures to keep victims silent and maintain his facade of legitimacy. Maxwell acted as both enabler and gatekeeper, managing introductions, maintaining appearances, and attempting to neutralize anyone who might expose the truth. The trio’s combined tactics—legal intimidation, narrative management, and coordinated denial—were classic hallmarks of a cover-up campaign. But like the Perfumo affair, it all collapsed under the weight of arrogance, exposure, and the undeniable pattern of abuse that no amount of spin could contain.
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Epstein and Maxwell took this same approach to a global scale. Epstein relied on non-disclosure agreements, hush money, and influence over powerful figures to keep victims silent and maintain his facade of legitimacy. Maxwell acted as both enabler and gatekeeper, managing introductions, maintaining appearances, and attempting to neutralize anyone who might expose the truth. The trio’s combined tactics—legal intimidation, narrative management, and coordinated denial—were classic hallmarks of a cover-up campaign. But like the Perfumo affair, it all collapsed under the weight of arrogance, exposure, and the undeniable pattern of abuse that no amount of spin could contain.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
So Prince Andrew is trying to take a page out
of the book of an old politician from the UK
named John Profumo. And this is a gentleman who had
a relationship with another woman who wasn't his wife, who
(00:22):
ended up turning out to be a Russian spy. But
right on the face of it, it's garbageo to even
compare the two in my opinion. Anyway, one guy was
involved in a consensual relationship. Scumbaggery at its finest if
you're cheating on your wife, but it was a consensual relationship,
whereas Prince Andrew, well, he was engaging in sexual relations
(00:46):
with an underage girl who was being trafficked. Now you
tell me how there's a way back for that. How
do you rehabilitate some shit like that? Folks, if you
cheat on your wife, even if you're my friend, I'm
gonna call you a scumb right, But that doesn't mean
I'm not gonna have dinner with you ever. Again, that
doesn't mean that I'm not gonna invite you out with
(01:06):
the boys. You made a mistake. I might not agree
with your choice to have a consensual relationship outside of
your marriage. But that doesn't mean that I'm gonna ostracize
you either. Whereas Prince Andrew's ugly bitch ass one of
my friends was accused of this and then paid out
all that money, zero chance. My friend's getting invited over
(01:28):
for chicken parmesan, zero chance. So him thinking that it's
a comparable situation, it just shows you how tone deaf
he is and the so called elite surrounding him are.
And anybody suggesting that this is the you know, the
blueprint for Andrew to follow is absolutely positively tone deaf.
(01:53):
Let me give you the blueprint. You're ready. There is
no blueprint, There is no way back. And anytime this
dude attempts to make a move to try and come back,
I know it's not just gonna be me sitting here
absolutely mocking him. There's gonna be hordes of people doing
the same exact thing because we're all tired of it. Okay,
(02:15):
we're all sick and tired of it. How many chances
does a guy like this need to get Whereas you
make one single mistake in your life and it's over,
go ahead and go get a felony and become part
of the system and see how easy it is to
navigate life. Meanwhile, Prince Andrew over here is engaging in
(02:36):
a human trafficking operation according to Virginia, paying out twenty
one million dollars or so, and paling around and having
sleepovers with one of the most prolific molesters in history.
But yeah, let's give him a pathway back like a
guy who cheated on his wife. All right, So today
(02:57):
we have an article from The Express, and the author
of this article is Lauren Welch. Headline Prince Andrew looking
to disgraced politician John Profumo as a way to redeem
his image. Here's a way to redeem your image. Shut
up and go away. Nobody wants to see you, nobody
wants to hear you. And there's no charity worth its
(03:19):
weight in salt that wants you working with them or
as a representative for them. Prince Andrew had a civil
sexual assault case filed against him overclaims made by Jeffrey
Epstein's survivor not accuser. Look, I you know how many
years now have we had to go through and correct
(03:40):
this bullshit. An accuser is somebody who's just accusing Okay,
somebody who has been validated for their accusations is somebody
who gets a settlement, somebody who sees people go to prison,
and somebody who the estate recognizes as somebody who is
a survivor. Okay, all of these girls who were paid
(04:01):
out by the estate, the estate has recognized that Jeffrey
Epstein abused these girls. So that makes it no longer
an accusation, right, that makes it fact. So let's keep
it in the realm of facts, shall we express? Virginia
(04:22):
Roberts claimed the Duke of York sexually assaulted her on
three occasions when she was seventeen, allegations that Andrews strenuously denied,
and out of court settlement was agreed with no admission
of guilt. Nah, we're just throwing out a whole bunch
of millions. We're thrown out rack after rack over here
because we're just generous and we want to give Virginia
some dough. Nobody believes that. Nobody believes it at all. Honestly.
(04:48):
In the late nineteen sixties, the late politician John Perfumo
had an extra marital affair with a nineteen year old
Christine Keeler, who was forced to resign from his post,
and it has been suggested that Andrew could take a
leaf out of John Profumo's book upon trying to redeem
himself again a consensual extramarital affair with a girl who
(05:11):
was of age. Sure she was young. Sure he's scummy
for you know, dipping his toes in those waters. But
just like Monica Lewinsky, she was of age. Now we
could get into the other conversation about the flex of
power to get these girls in those positions, but that's
for another day. The fact of the matter is this
(05:32):
young lady, Christine Keeler was of age. Virginia Roberts was
not of age. And not only that, Okay, she was
being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein. So you want to talk
about apples and oranges, this is more like, oh, I
don't know, diamonds and goat shit. Speaking on the latest
(05:53):
episode of the Daily Express Royal Roundup, Royal correspondent Richard
Palmer discussed Prince Andrew and his mission to redeem himself.
Mister Palmer said, it has been suggested that Andrew could
take a leaf out of the book of John Profumo. No,
it's whoever suggesting it is not very smart to be
(06:14):
honest with you. And before we go any further, we
have to talk about this guy's name, don't we, Richard Palmer.
Do you think they called him Dick growing up? And
do you think he was picked on? Hey, Dick Palmer,
he grew up in my neighborhood. This dude would have
got abused mercilessly. Yo, Dick Palma, what are you doing,
old way? Hey, the defense minister who famously was forced
(06:35):
to resign back in I want to say nineteen sixty three.
He added, it transpired that he had been sharing he'd
been having a relationship with a woman who was also
having a relationship with a Russian spy. Okay, so him
and Eric Swollwell are homies. We all know about Fangfang, right, Funny,
(06:56):
nobody really talks about that, you know, let's just well
sweep that one under the rug. But what Profumo did,
scumbaggery as it was, is nowhere even in the realm
of what Prince Andrew's disgusting bitch ass was up to.
This dude's hanging out with underage girls who are being trafficked.
Not only that he's staying the night over at Jeffrey
Epstein's house while Epstein's raping girls who gave that exact
(07:20):
testimony in court. How is it that Prince Andrew has
not been slapped with some charges, at the very least
brought in for a deposition, Mister Palmer continued. He Perfumo
then spent the rest of his life working for charity
in a very low profile, doing it behind the scenes.
(07:42):
Nobody cares. Okay, nothing Andrew can do from here on
out is ever gonna fix what he has already done.
I don't care if he goes and lays with lepers
on some remote islands somewhere. Sure, great deeds, sir, kudos
for that, but it doesn't change the way I feel
about you, Joe exotic of the Windsor family. And to
(08:03):
try and frame this like it's just a simple stepping
out on his wife in marriage is just beyond the pale.
And I certainly won't stand by and be Gaslet I
promise you that much. He added. I asked somebody close
to him whether he might be doing something like that.
(08:23):
This person said that, well, if he is doing that,
we aren't going to be telling you. Oh well, is
that right? A person close to him how many people
does Prince Andrew have left that are close to him,
who would want to be close to him? Talk about
getting irradiated with fallout from just standing, because that's the
whole point of it. We don't want to be telling
(08:44):
the media what he's doing, We don't want media coverage.
Then he will be facing the same accusations of trying
to get back into the public eye and public life.
You want to end all of that, here's a great
way to do it. Stop trying to come back into
the public life. Accept your fate for what it is.
The dice have been thrown, You have made your choices.
(09:04):
Nobody forced you to paler around with Jeffrey Epstein's bitch ass.
Nobody forced you to get involved with Virginia, and certainly
nobody forced you to be the epic asshole you have
been your whole life. So again, you have only yourself
to blame. Prince Andrew, Somebody should have told you this
when you were younger. Somebody should have sat you down
(09:27):
and said to you, every problem you're ever going to have,
for the most part, is going to be of your
own making. My dad sat me down and told me
that shit when I was a very very young man.
And guess what he was right? Every problem pretty much
I have ever had has been at the very least
(09:47):
a portion of my own fault. But nobody's ever told
Prince Andrew that right. Nobody's ever sat this dude down
and said to him, Hey, look, you need to get
your shit straight, homie. They just let him run around
and do whatever he wants, and guess what now he
has to reap that whirldwind. Prince Andrew reportedly had close
(10:09):
ties with Jeffrey Epstein, and the twenty nineteen interview with
Emily Maitliss, the Duke said he did not regret his
friendship with Epstein. What does that mean? Reportedly had close
ties with Epstein? Not reportedly he had close ties with Epstein?
And this is why people don't trust the media. What
is that? All of these vague words to it to
describe relationships. But then they'll quickly throw a whole ass,
(10:34):
you know, article out demeaning a whole group of people.
But god forbid they call Jeffrey Epstein what he is right.
The interview received enormous amounts of public criticism, and following this,
the Duke voluntarily stepped back from his royal duties. I
have asked her Majesty if I may step back from
public duties for the foreseeable future, and she has given
(10:57):
me her permission, He wrote in a statement, Oh isn't
that nice? Hey? Mom? Can I take a step back
from my royal duties? Can I have permission? In February
twenty twenty two, it was confirmed that Prince Andrew had
agreed to bring this civil sexual assault case brought by
his accuser, Virginia Roberts, to a close. The settlement agreement
(11:19):
was reportedly as high as twelve million pounds, although the
actual figure has never been revealed. The settlement involved no
admission of guilt or any wrongdoing. Nah, no guilt and
no wrongdoing. They have to be very clear about that
in this article and say at seventy five times right,
what are you so scared of that the Joe Exotic
of the Windsor family is going to sue you? I
(11:40):
fucking wish you want to talk about a fantastic day
in court. Let's get to the discovery phase. That's exactly
what my comment my commentary would be. You see what
happens is when you're telling the truth, you can't be sued,
and as far as I'm concerned, everything that we talk
about as far as Andrew goes, is the truth. Now
(12:03):
that's my opinion anyway, right, But from all the evidence
that we have seen, all of the circumstantial evidence, all
of the court evidence, all of the testimony from the girls,
how could you end up anywhere else, unless, of course,
you're engaging in some cognitive dissonance for whatever reason. But
it seems to me that all roads lead to the
(12:25):
same destination, and that destination is Prince Andrew being an
absolute scumbag. If you'd like to contact me, you can
do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's
bo bbuy c apu Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You
(12:46):
can also find me on Twitter at bo bbuy underscore
c ap u Cci. The link that I discussed can
be found in the description box.
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
So Prince Andrew is trying to take a page out
of the book of an old politician from the UK
named John Profumo. And this is a gentleman who had
a relationship with another woman who wasn't his wife, who
(00:22):
ended up turning out to be a Russian spy. But
right on the face of it, it's garbageo to even
compare the two in my opinion. Anyway, one guy was
involved in a consensual relationship. Scumbaggery at its finest if
you're cheating on your wife, but it was a consensual relationship,
whereas Prince Andrew, well, he was engaging in sexual relations
(00:46):
with an underage girl who was being trafficked. Now you
tell me how there's a way back for that. How
do you rehabilitate some shit like that? Folks, if you
cheat on your wife, even if you're my friend, I'm
gonna call you a scumb right, But that doesn't mean
I'm not gonna have dinner with you ever. Again, that
doesn't mean that I'm not gonna invite you out with
(01:06):
the boys. You made a mistake. I might not agree
with your choice to have a consensual relationship outside of
your marriage. But that doesn't mean that I'm gonna ostracize
you either. Whereas Prince Andrew's ugly bitch ass one of
my friends was accused of this and then paid out
all that money, zero chance. My friend's getting invited over
(01:28):
for chicken parmesan, zero chance. So him thinking that it's
a comparable situation, it just shows you how tone deaf
he is and the so called elite surrounding him are.
And anybody suggesting that this is the you know, the
blueprint for Andrew to follow is absolutely positively tone deaf.
(01:53):
Let me give you the blueprint. You're ready. There is
no blueprint, There is no way back. And anytime this
dude attempts to make a move to try and come back,
I know it's not just gonna be me sitting here
absolutely mocking him. There's gonna be hordes of people doing
the same exact thing because we're all tired of it. Okay,
(02:15):
we're all sick and tired of it. How many chances
does a guy like this need to get Whereas you
make one single mistake in your life and it's over,
go ahead and go get a felony and become part
of the system and see how easy it is to
navigate life. Meanwhile, Prince Andrew over here is engaging in
(02:36):
a human trafficking operation according to Virginia, paying out twenty
one million dollars or so, and paling around and having
sleepovers with one of the most prolific molesters in history.
But yeah, let's give him a pathway back like a
guy who cheated on his wife. All right, So today
(02:57):
we have an article from The Express, and the author
of this article is Lauren Welch. Headline Prince Andrew looking
to disgraced politician John Profumo as a way to redeem
his image. Here's a way to redeem your image. Shut
up and go away. Nobody wants to see you, nobody
wants to hear you. And there's no charity worth its
(03:19):
weight in salt that wants you working with them or
as a representative for them. Prince Andrew had a civil
sexual assault case filed against him overclaims made by Jeffrey
Epstein's survivor not accuser. Look, I you know how many
years now have we had to go through and correct
(03:40):
this bullshit. An accuser is somebody who's just accusing Okay,
somebody who has been validated for their accusations is somebody
who gets a settlement, somebody who sees people go to prison,
and somebody who the estate recognizes as somebody who is
a survivor. Okay, all of these girls who were paid
(04:01):
out by the estate, the estate has recognized that Jeffrey
Epstein abused these girls. So that makes it no longer
an accusation, right, that makes it fact. So let's keep
it in the realm of facts, shall we express? Virginia
(04:22):
Roberts claimed the Duke of York sexually assaulted her on
three occasions when she was seventeen, allegations that Andrews strenuously denied,
and out of court settlement was agreed with no admission
of guilt. Nah, we're just throwing out a whole bunch
of millions. We're thrown out rack after rack over here
because we're just generous and we want to give Virginia
some dough. Nobody believes that. Nobody believes it at all. Honestly.
(04:48):
In the late nineteen sixties, the late politician John Perfumo
had an extra marital affair with a nineteen year old
Christine Keeler, who was forced to resign from his post,
and it has been suggested that Andrew could take a
leaf out of John Profumo's book upon trying to redeem
himself again a consensual extramarital affair with a girl who
(05:11):
was of age. Sure she was young. Sure he's scummy
for you know, dipping his toes in those waters. But
just like Monica Lewinsky, she was of age. Now we
could get into the other conversation about the flex of
power to get these girls in those positions, but that's
for another day. The fact of the matter is this
(05:32):
young lady, Christine Keeler was of age. Virginia Roberts was
not of age. And not only that, Okay, she was
being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein. So you want to talk
about apples and oranges, this is more like, oh, I
don't know, diamonds and goat shit. Speaking on the latest
(05:53):
episode of the Daily Express Royal Roundup, Royal correspondent Richard
Palmer discussed Prince Andrew and his mission to redeem himself.
Mister Palmer said, it has been suggested that Andrew could
take a leaf out of the book of John Profumo. No,
it's whoever suggesting it is not very smart to be
(06:14):
honest with you. And before we go any further, we
have to talk about this guy's name, don't we, Richard Palmer.
Do you think they called him Dick growing up? And
do you think he was picked on? Hey, Dick Palmer,
he grew up in my neighborhood. This dude would have
got abused mercilessly. Yo, Dick Palma, what are you doing,
old way? Hey, the defense minister who famously was forced
(06:35):
to resign back in I want to say nineteen sixty three.
He added, it transpired that he had been sharing he'd
been having a relationship with a woman who was also
having a relationship with a Russian spy. Okay, so him
and Eric Swollwell are homies. We all know about Fangfang, right, Funny,
(06:56):
nobody really talks about that, you know, let's just well
sweep that one under the rug. But what Profumo did,
scumbaggery as it was, is nowhere even in the realm
of what Prince Andrew's disgusting bitch ass was up to.
This dude's hanging out with underage girls who are being trafficked.
Not only that he's staying the night over at Jeffrey
Epstein's house while Epstein's raping girls who gave that exact
(07:20):
testimony in court. How is it that Prince Andrew has
not been slapped with some charges, at the very least
brought in for a deposition, Mister Palmer continued. He Perfumo
then spent the rest of his life working for charity
in a very low profile, doing it behind the scenes.
(07:42):
Nobody cares. Okay, nothing Andrew can do from here on
out is ever gonna fix what he has already done.
I don't care if he goes and lays with lepers
on some remote islands somewhere. Sure, great deeds, sir, kudos
for that, but it doesn't change the way I feel
about you, Joe exotic of the Windsor family. And to
(08:03):
try and frame this like it's just a simple stepping
out on his wife in marriage is just beyond the pale.
And I certainly won't stand by and be Gaslet I
promise you that much. He added. I asked somebody close
to him whether he might be doing something like that.
(08:23):
This person said that, well, if he is doing that,
we aren't going to be telling you. Oh well, is
that right? A person close to him how many people
does Prince Andrew have left that are close to him,
who would want to be close to him? Talk about
getting irradiated with fallout from just standing, because that's the
whole point of it. We don't want to be telling
(08:44):
the media what he's doing, We don't want media coverage.
Then he will be facing the same accusations of trying
to get back into the public eye and public life.
You want to end all of that, here's a great
way to do it. Stop trying to come back into
the public life. Accept your fate for what it is.
The dice have been thrown, You have made your choices.
(09:04):
Nobody forced you to paler around with Jeffrey Epstein's bitch ass.
Nobody forced you to get involved with Virginia, and certainly
nobody forced you to be the epic asshole you have
been your whole life. So again, you have only yourself
to blame. Prince Andrew, Somebody should have told you this
when you were younger. Somebody should have sat you down
(09:27):
and said to you, every problem you're ever going to have,
for the most part, is going to be of your
own making. My dad sat me down and told me
that shit when I was a very very young man.
And guess what he was right? Every problem pretty much
I have ever had has been at the very least
(09:47):
a portion of my own fault. But nobody's ever told
Prince Andrew that right. Nobody's ever sat this dude down
and said to him, Hey, look, you need to get
your shit straight, homie. They just let him run around
and do whatever he wants, and guess what now he
has to reap that whirldwind. Prince Andrew reportedly had close
(10:09):
ties with Jeffrey Epstein, and the twenty nineteen interview with
Emily Maitliss, the Duke said he did not regret his
friendship with Epstein. What does that mean? Reportedly had close
ties with Epstein? Not reportedly he had close ties with Epstein?
And this is why people don't trust the media. What
is that? All of these vague words to it to
describe relationships. But then they'll quickly throw a whole ass,
(10:34):
you know, article out demeaning a whole group of people.
But god forbid they call Jeffrey Epstein what he is right.
The interview received enormous amounts of public criticism, and following this,
the Duke voluntarily stepped back from his royal duties. I
have asked her Majesty if I may step back from
public duties for the foreseeable future, and she has given
(10:57):
me her permission, He wrote in a statement, Oh isn't
that nice? Hey? Mom? Can I take a step back
from my royal duties? Can I have permission? In February
twenty twenty two, it was confirmed that Prince Andrew had
agreed to bring this civil sexual assault case brought by
his accuser, Virginia Roberts, to a close. The settlement agreement
(11:19):
was reportedly as high as twelve million pounds, although the
actual figure has never been revealed. The settlement involved no
admission of guilt or any wrongdoing. Nah, no guilt and
no wrongdoing. They have to be very clear about that
in this article and say at seventy five times right,
what are you so scared of that the Joe Exotic
of the Windsor family is going to sue you? I
(11:40):
fucking wish you want to talk about a fantastic day
in court. Let's get to the discovery phase. That's exactly
what my comment my commentary would be. You see what
happens is when you're telling the truth, you can't be sued,
and as far as I'm concerned, everything that we talk
about as far as Andrew goes, is the truth. Now
(12:03):
that's my opinion anyway, right, But from all the evidence
that we have seen, all of the circumstantial evidence, all
of the court evidence, all of the testimony from the girls,
how could you end up anywhere else, unless, of course,
you're engaging in some cognitive dissonance for whatever reason. But
it seems to me that all roads lead to the
(12:25):
same destination, and that destination is Prince Andrew being an
absolute scumbag. If you'd like to contact me, you can
do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's
bo bbuy c apu Cci at ProtonMail dot com. You
(12:46):
can also find me on Twitter at bo bbuy underscore
c ap u Cci. The link that I discussed can
be found in the description box.
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