The Unsealed Epstein Grand Jury Transcript From 2019 in New York (Part 5) (12/25/25)

The 2019 New York federal grand jury transcripts capture the final prosecutorial push that led to the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein on sex-trafficking charges in the Southern District of New York. The transcripts reflect prosecutors laying out a sweeping pattern of alleged conduct, including the recruitment and exploitation of underage girls, the use of intermediaries, and the systematic nature of the abuse network. Witness testimony, documentary evidence, and financial records were presented to establish probable cause, directly contradicting the long-standing narrative that Epstein was a lone offender whose crimes were limited to Florida. These proceedings culminated in the July 2019 indictment, marking the first time federal prosecutors in New York formally moved against Epstein despite years of prior allegations and investigative leads.

The transcripts have now been newly unsealed under the Epstein Transparency Act, a move that has reignited scrutiny over what federal authorities knew—and when. Their release sheds light on investigative decisions, evidentiary thresholds, and the scope of information presented to the grand jury, while also highlighting gaps that critics argue point to earlier prosecutorial failures. Survivors and transparency advocates have emphasized that the unsealing is significant not only for what it reveals about Epstein’s conduct, but for what it exposes about institutional hesitation, delayed accountability, and the broader protection mechanisms that allowed Epstein to evade federal charges for years. While redactions remain, the disclosure represents a rare window into the mechanics of a case that many believe should have been brought long before 2019.



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the twenty nineteen grand jury documents. Question,
all right, turning to the next slide, Sorry, before we
move on to slide twenty five. Here on side twenty four,
the red circles that are here are those that you

(00:20):
have added to a the grand jury in spotting those
two locations? Or did the circle those in her planner? Answer? No,
those were added. Question. So turning to side twenty five,
you've testified that redacted provided you with some of her
bank records. What are we looking at in this slide? Answers?
So this is in October two thousand and four deposit

(00:41):
and in it she deposited two hundred dollars and the
twenty question if this deposit happened on October twelfth, two
thousand and four, would redact it have been seventeen? Answer yes. Question.
Turning to slide twenty six, is this another deposit slip
and this one on ninth, two thousand and four? Answer yes.

(01:03):
Question is this another deposit slip that redacted provided you?
Answer yes? Question, What if anything did you notice about
this deposit slip. Answer it's two. She deposited two hundred.
Question does the deposit slip note what kind of bills
she deposited? Answer one hundreds. Question based on the date

(01:24):
of this deposit, would she have been seventeen when this happened?
Answer yes. Question did redacted explain to you in general
how these sessions with Epstein were scheduled? Answer? Yes. Question
what did she explain to you about how that worked?
Answer that she spoke on the phone with redacted? Who
would schedule her to work? And when I talk about

(01:45):
co conspirators, I'm talking about these people, they're the co conspirators.
Question what was her understanding of who was answer his assistant.
Question in general, what kinds of things would they discuss
on the phone call? Answer they talk about when she
was available or redacted would tell her, you know that
she was coming down to that they were coming down

(02:07):
to West Palm Beach. Question and did redacted ever tell
her where she was calling from? Answer? Yes, Question what
did it redacted remember about that? Answer she recalled redacted
saying she was calling from New York. Question and when
she remembered redacted saying she was calling from New York?
What was the context in which Redacted would explain, in general,

(02:29):
in some and substance why she was calling from New York.
Answer she was telling redacted that they would be arriving
in West Palm Beach on a certain date and to
ask her when she's available. Question in these phone conversations
with redacted? What kind of terminology did Redacted typically use
to refer to these sessions? Answer she referred to it

(02:51):
as work. Question did Redacted remember having scheduled calls with
anyone except for Redacted? Answer yes. Question did your remember
getting calls from anyone else? Answer yes? Question what did
she remember? Answer she remembered getting calls from redacted? Question
what was her understanding of who redacted was? Answer that

(03:14):
she was another assistant of his question and in some
in substance, what would she talk about on the phone
with redacted? Answer same thing that she talked with redacted
about scheduling. Question does Redacted still have the cell phone
she had as a teenager during this time period? Answer yes,
question and what kind of phone is it? Answer a

(03:35):
flip phone. Question has she shown the phone to you
when you met her? Answer yes. Question is there a
contact stored in the phone for or redacted? Answer yes question,
and a phone number stored for that contact? Answer yes question.
All right, I'm going to talk to you a little
bit about that specific phone number. Turning to the next slide,

(03:56):
slide twenty seven. What's on this slide? Answers. So this
shows who was financially responsible for this phone number, which
is Jeffrey Epstein, and it shows the user as redacted
associated with this phone number. Question are these subscriber records
for the phone number redacted? Answer yes question. Is that

(04:17):
the phone number that's stored in the flip phone that
you just described that Dana has. Answer yes question. So
in the subscriber records, are these records maintained by the
phone company for that phone number? Answer yes. Question. In
the top two sections, do those sections explain who's responsible
for the account in terms of billing and paying for

(04:39):
the account? Answer yes question. And is Jeffrey Epstein and
a Manhattan address listed in both places? Answer yes question.
At the bottom section, under user information, is there information
about this particular phone number and the user of that
phone number? Answer yes question. So is the user listed
for the redact acted phone number listed as redacted? Answer

(05:03):
yes question? And is it listed at the Miami address.
Answer yes. Question. Have you reviewed phone records for Redacted's
phone during the time period we've been talking about. Answer yes, question.
I'm going to talk to you a little bit about
some of those records. If you could turn to slide
twenty eight. Is this an excerpt from the phone records

(05:24):
for redacted cell phone? Answer yes. Question. On this slide
there's an arrownext to the excerpt and a highlighted portion.
Could you just walk the grand Jerry through that particular
line on the record? Answer that was a call that
was made on January third at one oh six pm.
It's Redacted's number. Question So that's a record of those

(05:46):
two phones talking to each other on that day and time.
Answer yes question. So if this call was between those
two phones on January third, two thousand and four, I
want to talk to you about the very next day,
January fourth, two thousand and five, If you could turn
to slide twenty nine. So the day after the phone
call we've just discussed, has Reacted provided you with a

(06:07):
deposit slip for January fourth, two thousand and five? Answer yes, question,
And did she deposit cash that day? Answer yes, question
about how much? Answer she deposited about one fifty one
hundred dollars bill to twenties and ten. Question, Just so
we're clear on the timeline. On January third, two thousand

(06:28):
and five, redacted and redacted phone numbers, we're talking to
each other, and the very next day redacted deposited cash.
Answer yes question, All right, Turning to slide thirty is
this an excerpt from the phone record for redacted cell phone? Answer? Yes, question,
focusing on about halfway down the highlighted lind, are those

(06:49):
records of calls on September sixteenth, two thousand and four?
Answer yes, question, and what does this record reflect? Answer
that a call was made at around two oh eight
pm on September sixteenth between redacted and redacted. Question. So,
sticking with the same day, September sixteenth, two thousand and four,
let me ask, have you reviewed flight records from Jeffrey

(07:09):
Epstein's private jet? Answer yes question, and to those record
blog flights that he took on his private jet? Answer yes, question,
And do those records also include flight manifests that show
what individuals were on the flight? Answer yes question. So,
turning to slide thirty one, what's the record excerpted here? Answer, so,

(07:31):
this shows that there was a departure on September sixteenth
from JFK to West Palm Beach and a list all
the individuals that were on the flight. Question, just to
take a step back for context, can you just explain
for the grand jury what the different fields are in
this record? What kind of log this is? Answer? So,
this is a flight log. It shows the dates that

(07:53):
he's flown out, his aircraft is flown out, and shows
from location and to the arrival destination. Question turning to
the field on the far left and going down to
the part where we've put an arrow, does that reflect
a flight on September sixteenth, two thousand and four? Answer yes.
Question do you recognize the airport codes to the right

(08:14):
of that that reflect the point of departure and arrival?
Answer yes. Question so what is the particular flight? Answer
so this is JFK in New York PBI is West
Palm Beach. Question. In addition to this log of different flights,
have you also looked at the particular flight manifest for
September sixteenth, two thousand and four flight that we've been

(08:36):
talking about. Answer yes. Question turning to page thirty two,
is this the passenger manifest that we've been talking about.
Answer yes, question, is this the passenger manifest for the
September sixteenth, two thousand and four flight we've just talked about?
Answer about halfway down to the area, there is a circle.

(08:56):
Is that a circle that you've added for this presentation?
Answer yes. Question is reacted listed as a passenger on
a flight on September sixteenth, two thousand and four? Question
or answer yes? Question. What are the listed times and
departures and arrival locations for this flight? Answer so they
departed at eight o five pm and arrived in West

(09:19):
Palm at ten sixteen pm. Question, Just so we have
the timeline straight, if we could back to slide thirty.
I believe you testified earlier that the phone call highlighted
here is on September sixteenth, two thousand and four, at
two o'clock. Is that correct? Answer yes. Question, So if
this call occurred at two o'clock on that day, would

(09:40):
that have been about six hours before the flight took
off from JFK. Answer yes. Question. And in your conversation
with redacted, did she ever tell you that Epstein asked
her to bring girls for him. Answer yes, question, what
did she tell you about that answer. She said that
he asked her if she had friends to bring and
how did she respond? Answer, she took two girls. Question

(10:04):
when you say she took two girls, did she bring
the girls to Epstein's house? Answer yes? Question were those
girls miners? Answer yes? Question if you could give me
just one moment, special Agent redacted, have you told the
grand jury everything that you know about this case? Or
have you just answered the questions that I've asked? Answer?
I've answered the questions that you've asked. Question, when you

(10:26):
testified about the documents that you reviewed or the conversations
that you had with others, were you testifying to the
exact words used or just the substance of the documents
or those conversations? Answer just to the substance. Question. And
are you willing to return to the grand jury if
the grand jury has further questions for you? Answer yes, misredacted, Okay,

(10:49):
with the four persons permission, I'd ask for the witness
to be excused. Four person You're excused, all right, folks,
that's going to do it. For the grand jury documents
from New New York in twenty nineteen, all of the
information that goes with this episode can be found in
the description box.