Why Was Kathryn Ruemmler At Jeffrey Epstein's Arraignment?

Kathryn Ruemmler, the former White House counsel under President Barack Obama and a well-known figure in the legal world, was present in the courtroom during Jeffrey Epstein’s 2019 arraignment in New York. Observers noted that she sat in the section behind Epstein’s legal team, which sparked immediate speculation about her potential involvement with the case or her relationship to Epstein. Her attendance drew attention because of her high-profile background and her position within one of the country’s most powerful law firms, raising questions about why someone of her stature would be present at such a closely watched proceeding.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein chronicles.
I don't think there's any debate at this point just
how close Jeffrey Epstein was to the Clintons, yet nobody
ever wants to talk about it. It's one of those
unfortunate facts for a lot of people. But you know
who has talked about the Clinton's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein

(00:21):
quite a bit and it's going to shock some of
you out there, and that's the Daily Beast. Now, Kate
Bricklett from over at the Daily Beast has talked quite
a bit about the Clintons and their involvement with Jeffrey Epstein,
and that should be acknowledged because it can't be easy
to do over at the Daily Beast, right, certainly not

(00:41):
a right wing paper, if you will, not a paper
that is known to go after people like Epstein. But
guess what, Sometimes the truth matters, and if the truth
happens to run over one of your quote unquote political faves,
then so what the question you should be asking is
why were they involved with these scumbags in the first place,

(01:04):
not how can I rehabilitate their image? Today we have
an article from the Daily Beast and the author is
Kate Bricklett. This article was published on November two of
twenty twenty, headline what was Clinton White House lawyer doing

(01:25):
at Epstein's arraignment? In July twenty nineteen, all eyes were
on Jeffrey Epstein as he entered a Manhattan federal courtroom
in prison blues and orange sneakers. The reclusive multimillionaire pedophile
used to luxurious johns around the globe with powerful friends,
appeared disheveled as he was charged with sexually abusing dozens

(01:49):
of underage girls. Boy, has there ever been somebody who
deserved that more? Has there ever been a person who's
deserved to have to do the perp walk, been brought
into jail, brought into prison and embarrassed the way this
scumbag was the Only thing that would have been paced
here was to see the process through and actually give
these girls some justice. Police had arrested the sixty six

(02:15):
year old financier pedophile two days before, and the packed
crowd of journalists, lawyers, and survivors now watched and plead
not guilty to child sex trafficking charges, more than a
decade after he avoided serious prison time from molesting scores
of teenage survivors at his mansion in Palm Beach, Florida
and elsewhere. We know that, But while the press focused

(02:38):
on Epstein, one high profile spectator apparently went unnoticed, at
least unnoticed by most. Two eyewitnesses say former White House
lawyer Catherine Rumler was at Epstein's court appearance that day
in his support. The Daily Beast has learned. Now, remember
I didn't go and drag this out of a bright

(02:59):
bar or whatever the right wing outlets are. This is
the Deli Beast telling you this. So it's up to
you if you want to feign cognitive dissonance and act
like you don't know what the Clintons are up to,
or do you want to see them be held accountable
like everybody else should be. And the question again is

(03:20):
why is a lawyer who is working directly with the
Clinton Foundation and the Clintons showing up here as support
for Jeffrey Epstein. Ask yourselves why that would happen? And
then if it was just this, you could say, hey,
you know what, maybe they had a professional relationship and
she was there as a professional friend. Even that's gross,
you can understand, But that's not the case. Why is

(03:45):
she there supporting Jeffrey Epstein? Two people who separately attended
the hearings said Rumler, who served as White House counsel
during the Clinton and Obama administrations, had a professional relationship
with Epstein and was seated behind his defense team. I mean,
for real, of all the people you can go and support,

(04:07):
this is the guy you go and do it. This
is the second time around. Now remember this isn't the
first arrest. This is the second time. So anyone who's
still supporting him at this point knows what he is,
knows who he is, and knows what he is. So
what was Catherine Rumler doing there? At the time. Rumler
was a partner at Latham and Watkins and global chair

(04:30):
of the law firms white Collar Defense and Investigations Practice.
Epstein Knewert. One source with knowledge told The Daily Beast
of her appearance in court on July twenty nineteen, he
had a professional relationship with her. I think he may
have reached out to her to be involved in the case,
The source said. Rumler's appearance was probably just a show

(04:53):
of support. Even showing up there is a bad look.
Nobody's gonna question Bill Clinton. Why isaw you're showing up
to support Jeffrey Epstein? She worked for a large, prominent firm.
The person said. There was some exploration of her joining
the defense team, but it wasn't going to happen. Rumler

(05:14):
did not return messages seeking comment. A spokeswoman for Latham
and Watkins said neither the law firm nor Rumler represented Epstein.
She did not return follow up emails from The Daily Beast. Well,
why would she? What kind of good answer could she
possibly give you of why she's there to support Jeffrey Epstein.

(05:34):
Martin Weinberg, a lawyer for Epstein since two thousand and eight,
said Rumler didn't represent the financier pedophile and wasn't a
member of the defense team led by himself and read Winingarten.
I can state with certainty that Kathy Ruhmler did not
represent mister Epstein and did not appear at any hearing
at any time on his behalf, Weinberg said in an email.

(05:56):
Rumler has previously represented Here you Go, the Clinton Foundation
and George Nader, a key witness in Special Counsel Robert
Mueller's Russia investigation who was sentenced to ten years behind
bars for child sex trafficking. Hmm. Interesting connections to the
Clinton Foundation. Huh hmm. Now how much money can so

(06:17):
and refresh my memory? How much money did Jeffrey Epstein
pony up for the Clinton Foundation? Oh yeah, that's right,
a whole lot. She left Latham and Watkins in April
to become global head of Regulatory Affairs at Goldman Sachs. Huh.
Another fantastic spot to land at. After the death of
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Last month, Fox News

(06:40):
reported Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden possibly put Rumler on
the short list of nominees to fill a future scot
His seat. Why not? Ah, you know what, bring them
all in? Who cares? It's all about appearances and optics anyway, Right?
The other sides evil, they're the boogeyman. But these guys
are doing the same thing. How many bankers are you

(07:01):
going to have throughout the Biden administration? How many XCIA
officials give me a break already? Indeed, Rumler and other
Obama era officials hosted a DC event for Biden last November,
as his fundraising waned before the primaries. According to the

(07:21):
Washington Examiner, Rumler told the crowd the twenty twenty election
came down to character, and there is no one who
has the strength and the quality of character, no other
like Joe Biden. Rumler has long traveled the revolving door
between public service and Latham and Watkins, whose found nicks
of former high ranking government lawyers inspired a Wall Street

(07:44):
Journal blog to call the firm the dojys home away
from home. Look, how many more ties do you need
between the Department of Justice and Jeffrey Epstein. Nobody's saying
that Rumler was there to defend Jeffrey Epstein at least
I'm not. But why was she? They're in the first place.
Shouldn't she have to answer for that? And just another
tie to Bill Clinton? At what point do you look

(08:07):
at all of this and say, all right, we have
to get to the bottom of it. There needs to
be a full on investigation to see what Bill Clinton's
role in all of this was. At Latham, Rumler defended
companies in high stakes litigations and led internal probes into
misconduct and averted indictments through Department of Justice declinations or

(08:30):
decisions not to prosecute, which are similar to non prosecution agreements.
She did, however, secure a non prosecution agreement for Microsoft Hungary,
which last year paid eight point seven million in penalties
to resolve a foreign bribery case. Now, I don't fault
for any of that stuff, right, not at all. You're

(08:50):
a lawyer. This is what you do. I understand that
lawyers are pretty scummy and they're gonna do scummy things.
But my question is, what's your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein,
Why would you be in this courtroom? And how does
it relate to Bill Clinton. Her career began with a
clerkship under a federal appeals judge, followed by a job

(09:13):
at litigation boutique Zuckerman Spader in Washington, d C. Before
she was hired as a lawyer for President Clinton from
two thousand to two thousand and one. She then moved
to the Justice Department, where she made headlines as a
lead prosecutor in the Enron financial fraud trial. Winngarten, one
of Epstein's DC based legal eagles, faced off with Rumler

(09:36):
when he represented Richard Causey, Enron's former chief accounting officer,
who pleaded guilty to securities fraud. Nah, no connections here,
Nobody knew anybody. This is all just another big coincidence.
In two thousand and seven, she left government for Latham
and Watkins. She joined the Obama administration two years later

(09:57):
as the principal Associate Deputy Attorney General at the DOJ.
Ruemler replaced her mentor, Bob Bauer as White House counsel
in twenty eleven and became one of President Obama's closest confidants.
When she announced her resignation in twenty fourteen, Obama said,
Kathy has become one of my most trusted advisors over

(10:17):
the past few years. I deeply value her smarts, her judgment,
and her wit, but most importantly, her uncanny ability to
see around the corners that nobody else anticipates. Boy, we
could go in a million directions with a president saying that. Huh.
I guess the real question should be, and it's a
pretty simple one, considering she's obviously one of the smartest

(10:40):
women in the room. What were you doing at Jeffrey
Epstein's trial? Why were you there, what were your interests
in that? What's your relationship with the Clinton Global Initiative
and the Clinton Foundation, and what sort of contact did
you have with Jeffrey Epstein throughout the years. Pretty simple.
You see how quickly that happened. Get her on paper,
let's get her under oath, and let's see what she
has to say. Later, asked in an interview how she'd

(11:04):
like to be remembered, Rumler paraphrase Bower, She told it
like it was. She never put even light icing on
the cake. Well that's all fine and well, and I'm
sure she's a great lawyer and probably a decent human being.
But are you going to answer the questions that'd have
to do with this or no. After the Obama White House,
Rumler returned to Latham, but was soon in the running

(11:26):
to replace Attorney General Eric Holder, but she withdrew her
name from consideration, reportedly because she feared her closeness to
Obama and her handling of matters, including the twenty twelve
attack on the US consulate in Benghazi and the Secret
Service prostitution scandal in Cartagena, Colombia, would make for a
difficult confirmation process. Or she just didn't want to be

(11:49):
aired out. Let's just call it what it is. Why
don't we always dog walk around this shit? What did
she do down there that was so bad? She felt
strongly that it would not see serve the Department well
and that it certainly wouldn't serve the president well to
have the confirmation process be a series of partisan attacks
on the president rather than a reasoned approach to what

(12:10):
the Department of Justice really needs right now. One source
told Politico, Look, it doesn't matter who you bring up
there as a president, they're gonna go after him. The
other side, they're gonna act like fools and cause a
bunch of gridlock. That's how this game is played under
the Clinton administration. Rumler defended the White House in congressional
investigations and Independent Council issues, including those related to former

(12:34):
Pentagon worker Linda Tripp, who famously taped colleague Mana Lewinsky.
According to one Washington Post profile on Enron prosecutors, so
you know, she was a Clintonista. She's locked in, she's
drank the kool aid, and she'll do whatever she can
to protect good old Bill. Was she there to keep
an eye on the child to make sure nobody mentioned

(12:55):
Bill's name? I don't know. I don't have any evidence
to prove that, but I'm just speculating, you know, like
the Washington Post does or The New York Times. Don't
they love to just speculate. But Rumler's ties to the
Clintons didn't end with Bill's presidency. She's mentioned in emails
published on WikiLeaks, including those belonging to Hillary Clinton's twenty

(13:18):
sixteen campaign chair John Podesta. One email attachment listed Rumler
under a March twenty and sixteen list of possible campaign vetters,
while several other emails indicated Rumler was a participant in
more than one bi weekly Hill strategy call. Why should
it shock you? Very close to the Clintons. They want

(13:39):
people around them. Look, you think that scophants are something
that is new. The Clinton's been surrounded by them for years,
and nobody ever was really breaking ranks until a guy
like Doug banded. And here's where the Epstein stuff really

(14:00):
he comes into play, in my opinion. In August twenty sixteen,
Rumler was identified as the Clinton Foundation's principal lawyer when
Reuters as well as The New York Post reported the
organization hired a security firm in the wake of suspected hacking.
It's unclear how long she represented the Clinton Family charity
or what other work she's done for them. Rumler also

(14:22):
recently defended the Democratic National Committee and Perkins Coy, the
law firm representing Hillary Clinton's twenty sixteen campaign, in a
defamation suit filed by Carter Page, a former campaign advisor
to Donald Trump. Now does that sound like somebody who
isn't close to the heart of the Clintons, somebody who
isn't trusted? So again I ask you, why was she

(14:46):
at Jeffrey Epstein's trial? What was she doing there? And
we all know that Epstein had ties to the Clinton Foundation.
We all know that he had ties to the Clinton
Global Initiative. So what was she doing there? And what
were her ties to Epstein? That's the real question. Nobody
ever hammers it down. Though nobody ever puts Bill Clinton
on the carpet. You know, they handle them with kids gloves.

(15:12):
Page claimed the parties developed the Steele dossier, which was
replete with falsehoods about numerous individuals associated with the Trump campaign,
leading the Feds to wrongfully and covertly survelle Page as
an agent of Russia. A federal judge in Chicago toss
Page's lawsuit in August, saying the court lack jurisdiction. Page

(15:33):
filed a similar suit in Oklahoma in twenty eighteen, but
it was dismissed for the same reason. Now we're not
going to dive into all of that, but there certainly
was a lot of weird stuff going on, and there
certainly still is a lot of weird stuff going on
as far as the courts go, as far as the
misdirection goes. Rumlers alleged ties to Epstein raised further questions

(15:57):
on the financier pedophiles high connections, including Bill Clinton. Clinton's
name has surfaced repeatedly in court filings related to Epstein
and his accomplice co conspirator general all around scuzbag Glaine Maxwell,
and he took international trips with the perverted pair on
Epstein's private jet, and we know it was more than that.

(16:19):
The former president denies knowing anything about Epstein's abuse of
young women and girls, and denies one survivor's claims that
he visited Epstein's Virgin Islands compound. So he's basically calling
Virginia Roberts a liar. So there's your hero, Bill Clinton.
For all of you out there who still think this
is a good guy, I don't know how you can
support these survivors and act like Bill Clinton is in

(16:41):
somebody who should be targeted for a more thorough look here,
because the red flags are everywhere, and if you deny them,
well that's on you. Several Clinton staffers are listed in
Epstein's infamous rolodex, including Cheryl Mills, who was Deputy White
House Council for Clinton during his nineteen ninety nine impeachment trial.

(17:04):
Mills was an advisor to Hillary Clinton's two thousand and
eight presidential run and chief chief of staff when Clinton
became Secretary of State. And also, let's remember when Hillary
Clinton was at Secretary of State and she was in charge,
she gave Alexander de Rossi, Glenn Maxwell's nephew, a job
at the State Department, where he went on to work
on the glorious Arab Spring. How did that work out

(17:27):
for everybody? Along with Podesta, Mills oversaw Clinton search for
a running mate in twenty sixteen and was included in
emails with Rumler. In years past, both Epstein and Maxwell
donated thousands to the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Library. That's

(17:48):
more than that, okay, millions, millions and millions, not thousands,
and that's from Epstein's own lawyers. We've went over that before.
We've read the articles, We've provided the receipts. When Epstein's
lawyers secretly negotiated a plea deal for his abuse of
miners in Florida in two thousand and seven, they plugged

(18:09):
his friendship with former President Clinton and claimed he helped
to create the Clinton Global Initiative. There you have it, folks,
Daily Beasts telling you that, not me. I'm just here
to offer up my opinion to go along with it,
and from where I'm sitting, it's all straight garbage. The
whole entire thing is corrupt. Every single person that was

(18:30):
involved in all of this nonsense needs to be called
on the carpet, and the days of handling the Clintons
with white gloves need to be over. But the problem
is there are no journalists out there that seemed to
have the courage to do so. So until then, we'll
be here picking up the slack and letting you all
know just how close Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein really were.

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