June 22, 2025 • 55 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Evil Never Dies Podcast with Breton Karl.
This podcast may contain adult themes, violence, and strong language.
Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Evil Never Dies Podcast.
I'm Brett here with Carl, and Uh, what's going on? Man?
Not much. It's been a slow fu week. I know that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Not for me. It's been a busy ass week.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You've been working over a lot again.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Working over, going to classes, doing all kinds of shit.
I did not go start on the backyard today, and
I'm kind of pissed at myself that I did not.
We got to get that done at some point.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, well we're going to It's hot already, so we're
gonna have to get up early in the morning, like
it's seven and start that shit. So we're not dying
by noon. Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I can stay out there if I have to, But
I don't know. I really don't care that much. If
there's a houndred, that will be a houndred if we
do it. And we got the whole month of September,
so fuck. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
If it cools down then but we'll we'll get.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Her probably won't cool down, then.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We'll get her done.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Last night as we record this, which is Saturday, was
the fiftieth anniversary of the really release of the movie Jaws,
the actual to the day fiftieth anniversary. So I took
it upon myself to watch Jaws with Mikayla and Niko,
who loves sharks. So it was a fun experience watching
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it with them, And that is our topic tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How old is he four?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He's five five yep. And Jaws is not a bad movie.
There's nothing really bad about it, honestly period. He's rated PG, yeah,
and I think today it would still be rated PG,
if not less.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, Yeah, which sort of surprised me. With the blood,
you know, there's a lot of blood that bad.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You'd mentioned a few well, I think the last Evil
talked that the fiftieth anniversary was coming up, but for
some reason, I thought it was in September or October
because apparently they're going to re release it to the theater,
but they're not re releasing it till then, which makes
no damn sense. Yeah, I know, I've seen unless they're
just not want to compete with summer movies, you know,
like the Superman's coming out, And yeah, I think so
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they're putting another Jurassic Park movie out. I don't know why,
but they are so maybe that's what it was. But anyway,
somebody at work said it was the actual coming up,
and I'm like, well, crap, Brett, this is one of
your favorite movies. I guess we should cover the damn
thing on its fiftieth anniversary weekend. Now, I will say
(03:29):
I am not an expert on the movie Jaws. Just
like when we did Carry, I gave that out. I
do know more about Jaws than I did Carry. So
some of these seventies movies are just not my thing.
So that, with full disclosure, this is probably going to
be more of a bread episode.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Now you were any Bitty when it came out, too
and seven.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So yeah, and some of these movies just really wasn't
on my radar as a kid, honestly, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Because I was when it came out.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I was, like we said last week, I was, I'm
interested in watching Friday the thirteenth and Halloween and then
Freddy then watching you know, a movie about a shark.
When I was a kid, it just wasn't a big
appeal to me then. So I'm not the biggest expert
on jaws. So we'll talk about it as we go.
All right, maybe you have five year old's opinion of
(04:19):
it as well, so interesting opinions. All right, you don't
have a hat on?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I don't you look better without a hat?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Do I? Yep? I have one gray strip over here, though.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Die the shit.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I ain't dying nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You're gonna look like an old gray headed dude from Saxon,
Biff whatever his name is, Biff. Yeah, all right. He
was actually the first dude that let his hair go gray.
I got to give him a lot of credit for that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, that's what I'm gonna do. I ain't gonna spend
the money to diet.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Just wear wig.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wear a wig. Oh no, I'll just be gray.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I hear Ace Frehley wears a wig?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Does he? Really?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That's what I've been told?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Did he lose all his hair?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I just think they cut their hair short and wear
wigs when they're out. I think they've been doing that
ship for years, all of them. I think in the
eighties half the time they were wearing wigs. Our hair weaves.
I think the hair weave was big. We just didn't
know all that stuff back then. Hey, look, I'm wearing
my Pentagram shirt again. It's actually pretty comfy. After I
washed it, I bought it new, you know, and headed on,
(05:40):
I think for the show that week, and I'm like, ah,
this thing is it's much itchy, quite comfy. Now, yeah,
let's go on to Jaws.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
All right. Jaws directed by Steven Spielberg. Screenplay by Peter
Benchley and Carl Gottlieb, based on the novel Jaws by
Peter Benchley. Produced by Richard d Zanak and David Brown.
Cinematography Bill Butler, and he did a great job with
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all the ship they had to go through. Very good cinematography,
edited by Verna Fields. Music by the great John Williams.
And it's probably one of the most known music or
scores for a film ever. Probably, I would say so,
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probably next to Halloween, I would say.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I would say so, yeah, sure, and they probably Psycho
before that. Yeah, maybe, Yeah, I would say it's in
the top top of course.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
For sure. It's like the first the first two notes
and you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Production companies are Xanik Brown Company and Universal Pictures. Distributed
by Universal Pictures. Release date of June twentieth, nineteen seventy five.
As a running time of one hundred and twenty four minutes.
Country of origin the United States English Language. Had a
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budget of nine million dollars, and I think it went
over budgeted.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
A couple went over budget, and the shark didn't work
half the time. But we'll get into that. I'm sure
a lot more as we go.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, and uh went over on time too.
It was supposed to be three months and ended up
taking seven.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So yeah, right, that that was a I'm surprised this
Philburgh didn't get fired for that. He thought they were
going to fire him.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah. And at the box office made four hundred and
seventy seven point nine million dollars. I think that was
like in the just the first seven months that it
was out.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Right. Sorry, I'm still on Facebook ranting.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's considered the like the first Blockbuster movie. I think
it was so yeah, they'd never seen nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, and before we go any further, is this really
a horror movie?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Not really, I would I don't think it is more
of a.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Action suspense actually suspense sort of hitchcocky and if that's
a word, I think I just invented maybe thriller sort
of maybe, yeah, yeah, I don't consider this a horror
movie at all. I just a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It does have its horror aspects. Yeah, but it's actually
not considered a horror movie.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Okay, I just sort of curious. Like I said, I'm
not that familiar with a lot behind the scenes on
the on the Giles, as I used to call it,
jowls not jaws. It's just a laugh gowsws. Yeah, you're
rocking the hair. Looks a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Better rocking the hair. Huh.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, you got all your good hair and you hat
it in the hat.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
People probably think I'm bald. Huh.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I always thought you were known you all these years.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
All right, what's up next? What are we gonna go?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm not through you off.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I guess we can go over the plot.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, I guess the plot's pretty easy. Damn Gaws is
killing people in the ocean. That's the plot.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It is.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Really, it's pretty much the plot.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It does have a good story, though.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It has a good story. It starts out with the
two idiots go swimming in the ocean and a shark
attacks again eats her. The female yep and sat on
the beach and this amity beach. Is that any relation
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to Amityville. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
No, no, actually this came out before Amityville, I would think, ye.
But yeah, the Amity Beach. So they shut the beach down,
everybody gets mad, they open the beach back, Jaws strikes again.
Then they catch a fake Jaws, possibly a brother, we
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don't know, and then they go out looking for Jaws.
And that's that's about the plot of the movie. If
you haven't watched this and you I don't know what
to tell you, I mean, watch it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I guess I'm pretty sure everybody that watches this show
has seen Jaws.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm sure everybody. That's what I'm saying. I don't even
know why I give the plot of these things. Honestly, Well, Carl,
sometimes you need to give the plot, not for jobs.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Some movies we do people have never even fucking heard of.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Probably, So yeah, like Subspecies, which was so bad it
got deleted. That was our lowest rated show ever. That
was a non evil talk what were they used to
call them? Free for alls?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Those I think we finally got that show running good now.
But yeah, that that Subspecies tanked.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Speaking of that, we got that'll be next week's show
will be the subspecies No Evil Talk Live.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, and I don't even know what the hell you're
going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't either. We'll figure something.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Out possibly back to Jowls.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All right, I guess we'll go over the cast here.
Really good cast, excellent cast.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
First off, we got Roy Schreider as Brody, Robert Shaw
as Quint Richard Dreyfuss as Hooper, Lorraine Gary as Ellen Brody,
Murray Hamilton as Vaughn, the Mayor of Amity, Carl Gottlieb
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as Meadows, Jeffrey Kramer as Hendrix. He was like the
police other police guy. Susan Backlay as Chrissy Jaw's first victim.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Oh yeah, Now, I saw an interview with her on
all those extras. Ye was not impressed with her interview.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Next off, we got Jonathan Filey as Cassidy, Ted Grossman
as Estuary Victim, Charles Rebello as Michael Brody, Jay Mellow
as Sean Brody, Lee Fierro as Missus Kittner, and Jeffrey
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Voorhees as Alex Kittnervorees Yep, Jason's brother.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Vorheezes are everywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Craig Kinsbury is Ben Gardner.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Isn't he from Halloween too? No, I's Ben Tramer.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Ben Tramer, Robert Nevin as the medical medical examiner. Peter
Benchley had a cameo as the interviewer news guy.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, that was interesting and I never knew that till
I'll watched the extras.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And this is funny. Tim Aguire as the infant screaming
on the beach.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Okay, that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's the cast for Jaws.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, there's only like seven people that are actually in
this movie. The rest are just a bunch of extras.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And well they're all the whole actual island is not
that's they were all extras. The whole island was extras. Basic.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say without saying it.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So that's the cast. Uh, I guess we can go
over the You got the four K and I got the.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I was about to get on something else.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Very good version of the that they did.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I have the four K, which has been out for
a little bit now. They've actually re released this four
K is the fiftieth anniversary edition and included a documentary
that that Steven Spielberg just taped and really cool of them.
The fan Dango. If you have the four K, they
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actually give you that hour and a half show for
free on there, so you don't have to They're not
making a double dip like the old days of DVD.
Really good documentary that he I watched that whole thing
and it was it was fun. A lot of it
was more of it was more of a nod to
Spielberg than the movie. It was a lot of jj Abram,
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a lot of directors, even George Lucas was on there
how that movie influenced them. So there was a lot
of influence outside of any kind of horror, suspense, realm,
just from Spielberg doing this. And that's a really good
watch if you if you can look at it, go
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for it. I just got a weird notice that's why
I got lost.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We did a really good job on restoring it, for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well this is an actual I don't know what you got,
but this four K got even more restoration.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well they they were they restored this off the original negatives.
So and they showed the process on there. There's a
thing on here where they show them how they did
the restoration. Yeah, and uh, it's it's very cool to
see how they did that they actually picture.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, the picture on this is absolutely phenomenal for what
it is. It did seem a bit darker than I remembered,
but I didn't have a problem with that. I think.
I don't know about your Blu ray, but the four
k's do come off a bit darker on a lot
of these movies because that's how they originally were. You know,
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when you're in the theater, there's a lot of dark
movie scenes, and I don't think they produced those well
on prior to the four K format. Just an opinion.
Now I was looking, I got to notice it said
my cameras at twenty percent. I never had that pop
up before, So that threw me off of my game
for a minute. Yeah, isn't that weird? It just popped
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up and it got me off track.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Your camera on your phone?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, anyway, that's weird. This is definitely a five star
release on the four K and Universal put it out.
It's not by screen factor anybody else. Universal kick ass
on this shit. Sometimes. They still are big on physical media,
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and they also support Peacock, so you can watch most
of the Universal things on Peacock at various times of
the year, all the Jaws are out there right now
on Peacock if you want to watch them, they're there,
probably won't be there forever since it's the fiftyth anniversary.
It's sometimes hard to find two. Three and that weird
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four which Jaws the Revenge that movie was stupid doing.
Three are good to look at. But yeah, do you
remember these?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, that's how old this is. I bought this at
least ten years ago, for sure, the old ultraviolet digital
copy that you can Yeah, I don't think they have
that shit anymore. Do they know?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's movies anywhere now, which everybody with a paramount and
Lionsgate are a part of one.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
If the code still works.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Probably not. You can give it out on the air
and see if somebody wants it. If it works, you
do digital digital. I always forget what to call that.
It is actually called digital. It's not streaming and digital
like right now. Final Destination just came out this week.
It's twenty four dollars, but I'm damn tempted to just
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buy it because I was going to go to the
theater and see it. I love my Fandango Slash Voodoo,
and actually I believe whoever's behind Universal on that now Comcast,
but they're still doing a good job with the former
Voodoo now Bandango. But yeah, definitely a five star release.
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There's like two hours of special features on these things.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah. I think I got this in the bargain bend
somewhere for like six bucks or something too.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't know where I found this, but I did. Obviously,
I like Jaws enough to buy a four K, so
that should tell you a little bit about it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I guess, huh, it's a classic, man, Yeah, what can
you say?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I got? The other is just on a regular Blu
ray box set. They've actually got those out in four
K now at least part two. I don't know about
Part three. I've always wanted to see Part three and
three D, but I don't guess I ever will anyway,
that's the physical media. They're also on the Fandango on
sale right now. To Part one comes with all the
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special features that are on the physical So if you're
not into buying these things and go over to Fandango
and check it out, or if you're a cheap ass,
go to two Old Peacock and watch it there. Universal
has everybody covered, So thumbs up to Universal Pictures. Still
one of the best movie companies in the world. Home
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of Frankenstein still kicking ass.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I've owned Jaws on probably every form of physical media except.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Four K, So yeah, I'm sure I did too. Like
I said, I don't remember buying this, but I remember
I had it. I don't know what the story behind
it is, but there you go. Good release from from
our friends at Universal Pictures. They need to give us
this a sponsorship.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
M M, all right, I guess we'll go get into
a trivia and there is a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I was afraid of that. You might have to hit
some highlights if we go too long.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Hit some highlights, all right, several.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Don't give the goofs. I hate it when you do goofs.
I think you've stopped goofs.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I don't like the goofs. There.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
There's probably a lot of goofs in this, and I
don't want to hear about the goofs.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Several decades after the film's release, Lee Fierro, who played
Missus Kintner, walked into a seafood restaurant and noticed an
Alex Kittenner sandwich on the menu. She commented that she
had played his mother many years ago. Jeffrey Vore, who
is who played Alex Kintner that was the manager of
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the restaurant, and ran out to meet her. They hadn't
seen each other since the original movie was shot. Well
that's a little heartwarming little thing there for Jaws, Joals Jowles.
When composer John Williams originally played the score for director
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Steven Spielberg, Spielberg laughed and said, that's funny, John, really,
but what did you really have in mind for the
theme of Jaws?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Spielberg later stated that without William's score, the movie would
have only been half as successful. According to Williams, it
jump started his career.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
All true, true, all true again, very Hitchcock Psycho right there.
You take the music out of Psycho, it's not a
good movie. Thenk you take the music out of Jaws,
it definitely wouldn't be as good a movie. Scores are important, Yes,
they are, as we talk about every week. You know,
Jerry Polly always liked it when we talked about the
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music in the score. So shout out there our friend Jerry.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yep. All right. According to Carl Gottlieb, roy Scheider ad
lived the line you're gonna need a bigger boat.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think that line gets overrated.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, And they had to like throw it in there
because didn't Jaws just like show up. And then they
actually mentioned that in one of the things that they
had to like say it again the scene.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, so he just they had to extend the scene
of him walking backwards off the back of the boat.
So he just threw that in and he left it in.
According to director Spielberg, the prop arm looked too fake
in the scene where Christie's remains are discovered, so instead
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they buried a female cruise members in the sand with
only her arm exposed, and then threw the crabs all over.
Oh wow, So it was a real human.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Arm was a real human, not a fake.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Over sixty seven million people in the US went to
see this film when it was initially released in nineteen
seventy five, just under a third of the country's total
population at the time. See.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I didn't know that it was a buzz from the beginning.
I thought this might have been a slow build.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Like we said, making it the first summer blockbuster. Yeah. Now,
they were originally going to release this in October, like
they're doing this the fifty Yeah, like you said, because
back in the summer they didn't like to release big
movies because everybody was always out doing stuff and not
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going to the movies. But I went to the movie
all the time when I was a kid. This summer, well, I.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Mean, that's all I've ever known was the summer. You know,
is my age range, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
But usually they released blockbusters out around the holidays and
shit like that.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
You know. Yeah, I remember when Friday nights were like
the big TV night. Now nobody you know, watches TV
on Friday night. Well obviously not with the world of streaming,
but network TV was big on Fridays when Dallas and
stuff was out. So yep, times changing, things change. So yeah,
not having a summer blockbuster is foreign to me, but
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I could see it. I guess. Maybe there's a lot
more fun stuff do in the seventies than go to
the movies in the summer. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I was in the woods most of the time in
the summer.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No tell them what you were doing in the woods.
I probably don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Though respected as an actor, Robert Shaw's trouble with alcohol
was a frequent source of tension during filming In later interviews,
Roy Schreider described his co star as a perfect gentleman.
Whenever he was sober, all he needed was one drink,
and then he turned into a competitive son of a bitch.
According to Karl Gottlib's book The Jaws Log, Shaw was
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having a drink between takes and announced I wish I
could quit drinking to this prize. Of surprise and horror
of the crew, Richard Dreyfus grabbed Shaw's glass and tossed
it to the ocean, much to Shaw's chagrin. Shaw allegedly
bully Dryfus for the rest of the shoot, offer him
one thousand dollars to climb the seventy foot mast and
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jump into the ocean, calling Dreyfus a coward. Whenever he refused.
One day, Shaw sprayed him with a fire hose, causing
an enraged Dreyfus to storm off, saying that's it. I
don't want to work with you anymore. Go fuck yourself.
Then it came time to shoot the famous USS Indianapolis scene.
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Shaw attempted to do the monologue while intoxicated, as it
called for the men to be drinking late at night.
Nothing in the take could be used a remorseful. Shaw
called Spielberg late that night and asked if he could
have another try. The next day of shooting, Shaws, electrifying
performance was done in one take, which that probably is
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the most one of the most memorable scenes of the
movie by far. Spielberg said that when he first read
the novel, he found himself rooting for the shark because
the human characters were so unlikable. Yeah. In the book,
the missus Brodie cheats with the.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, that was like I heard that whenever on the
Extra futures or special commentaries, whatever you want to call him. Yeah,
he's cheating on him and all kinds of fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah. Composer John Williams conducted the Orchestra during the nineteen
seventy six Academy Awards, so when it was announced that
he won the Oscar for Best Score, he had to
run up to the podium to accept his Oscar and
then run back to continue conducting the orchestra.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's bad ass, I think. And yeah, they were nominated.
Spielberg didn't get nominated for Best Director, and I guess
he was sort of better about it. They showed him,
they showed an interview of him on the special features
of him watching on the TV the nominations for the
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Oscars that year, and he's holding his hand in his face,
in his hand, He's like, I wasn't nominated. I wasn't nominated. Okay,
So he was sort of pissed about that. But they
weren't nominated for Best Film, which they didn't win, lost
out to Cuckoo's Nest.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Now that'd be hard to beat for a movie, you
know exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
That was a very good movie. Yeah, but they did
win Best Music, Best Score, and Best Screenplay, I think too.
Let's see here, we already know that Robert Shawn Richard
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Dreyfuss can't stand each other. Yes. According to the Making
of Jaws nineteen ninety five documentary, the shooting star that
appears during the night scene as Brody loaded his revolver
was real, not an optical effect. However, years later it
has been showed that indeed it was added in post production.
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The scene where they are visible was shot during the
day with a filter over the lens to make it
look like nighttime, and therefore would not have shown a
shooting star. In addition to this, a shooting star has
been one of Spielberg's calling cards in numerous movies.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, that was the cool part.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Have you seen The Shooting Star. Yeah, a lot of
people don't notice it when they watched the movie.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I noticed it last night and pointed it out.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Let's see here we talked a little bit about this.
We said it opened up on June twenty, nineteen seventy five.
It was supposed to be released in theaters for Christmas
of seventy four, but because filming ran away over shooting,
schedule or release was pushed back to the summer of
seventy five. So that's when, like we said, they used
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to put the worst movies out during the summer. Back then,
it was like you they thought people always.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know, I forgot this was a big novel, So
I guess it would have had a lot of As soon.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
As they announced it was going to be made into
a movie, he sold a lot of high He sold
like a million copies and like four days dude, so
helped him out a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But he only but he made his money back on
the bucks because he only sold the rights for the
movie for two hundred and fifty thousand, you know, so
he made out like a bandit. Anyway, he said they
offered him that, and he's like, shit, I got three
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hundred bucks in my bank account, I'm taking it.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, I mean, who knows that he got another offer?
Isn't how things are going to turn out? And shit?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yep, the scene where the head pops out of the
hole in the boat was not originally scripted. Spielberg says
he got greedy after he saw the preview audience's reaction
to the scene where the shark jumps out behind Brodie's
head and wanted one more scare. So that was it,
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and they shot that scene in somebody's swimming pool. Yeah,
that's fucking crazy. Bruce, the shark has four minutes of
screen time in the whole movie.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I faced it not Bruce Campbell for a minute. Yeah,
the shark wasn' named Bruce. You're right, he's only in
at four times.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
God damn four minutes of screen time out of a
fucking two hour and four minute movie.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
About a shark.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I don't know if that was If that's good or bad,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's just you knew even when he wasn't coming. That's
another thing about the music.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
You knew that the music gave it away.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So even if you didn't see the shark, so.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't. I think even Spielberg
said if the shark could have been in it more,
it would have probably not been his at a movie.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
So Spielberg was not the original director of Jaws. Dick
Richards was fired after a meeting with producers and studio execs.
In the meeting, he said that his opening shot would
have the camera come out of the water to show
the town, then the whale.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
The Yeah, he kept calling it a whal. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Producers said that they were not making Moby Dick and
they would not work with someone who did not know
the difference between a whale at a shark. I fucking
don't blame him one bit.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I don't know. We had that Orca, the Killer Whale
movie come out, so maybe that guy was involved in
that one.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Maybe, who knows. I don't know. I think the work
I called Orca was a book too by Benchley.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Might have been. Orca was also the name of the boat.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yep, it was the name of the boat too. See
I do know.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
More about Jaws than I thought. Maybe it's because I
just watched it, but I'm surprising myself that I do
know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
This was entirely filmed, well, not entirely filmed, but mostly
filmed in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, used as Amity Island, primarily
because even twelve miles out to see, the sandy bottom
was only thirty feet deep along the mechanical shark to function,
residents were paid sixty four dollars to scream and run
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across the beaches extras. That's funny. Sixty four dollars per day. Yeah,
let's see here. I already talked about that, just all
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the trouble they had on this. They tested the shark
back in Hollywood, you know, and it worked fine, work fine,
We're fine in the in the lake there on the
Universal lot. Then they get it in the ocean and
the fucking salt water just fucked it up.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
That's what fucked it up was with the ocean.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Okay, salt water. Yeah, that's why they had their problems.
Salt water don't like electronics, dude, No.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
It doesn't. That I've killed two fit bits in the ocean.
The first time, I didn't realize that. The second time
I did, and this, yeah, you know, you can wear
these things anywhere, don't wear them in salt water. They'll
survive forever to you. They hit that salt water, it
will fuck electronics up and a lot of other stuff.
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Unless you've been in the ocean, you don't realize how
salty that water is.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
So that's why the Shark didn't work. Change the whole
future of the movie. The shark breaking.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, and they had I guess everybody had handheld radios,
you know, like almost everybody in the crew, and hear
everybody's radio going off. The Shark's not working. The Shark's
not working. Yeah. They ended up taking them like four
(36:18):
or five months to get the Shark working. After the
start of production.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Well, I know they had to go back. They used that.
I think the MGM lot to do some post production too.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Let's see here. Roy Scheider stated an interview that in
the scene where Missus Kintner smacks him in the face,
she was actually hitting him. Apparently the actress could not
fake a slap, so the seventeen takes were some of
the most painful of Shier's acting career. Also, Pierro stated
(36:54):
that in several interviews that one of the takes. When
she slapped him, his glasses fell off. She did it,
Look at it. He is getting hit hard. Spielberg took
seventeen takes and he had to get that hand just
right on his face. Spielberg's biggest fear, other than appearance
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performance of the Mechanical Shark, was that cameras would catch
sight of land. The reason Spielberg did not want land
to be seen was because he thought the audience could
envision the characters having the option to just of just
running back to shore when in danger. He wanted to
isolate the audience as much as the characters. Yeah, did
(37:41):
a good job with that, and I guess they had problems.
They had a regatta going on when they were filming,
and fucking sailboats kept coming in front of the shot,
so they'd have to wait. You know, you know you're
in the ocean.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Shit don't Yeah, you can't stop the ocean.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know, you're moving all the time, you know, That's
why it was so hard to So they'd have to
wait an hour and a half for everything to settle
down and get back into spot, you know, and they'd
be and then here'd come another one. So they'd have
to wait another hour and a half. No wonder, it
took fucking seven months to make you know. Let's see here.
(38:29):
An accident during filming caused the Orca to begin sinking.
Spielberg began screaming over a bullhorn for the nearby safety
boats to rescue the actors. John R. Carter, already up
to his knees and water was sinking on the sinking Orca,
held his Niagara tape recorder up over his head and scream,
(38:49):
fuck the actors. Save the sound department. During the accident,
the film camera was The film camera was submerged, so
it's film still submerged incy water was assumed to be ruined. However,
once it was realized that developing solution is saline, the
film was flown back to New York film lab. Technicians
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didn't lose any of the footage. Accident described starting the
make it on the making of Jaws the thirtieth Anniversary DVD.
That's sort of cool that they didn't lose it and
had to reshoot all that shit.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That would have really fucked them up.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
There were three bruces.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Made, and yeah, I know this story. See I do
know more about this than I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Each with specialized functions. One shark was open on the
right side, one was open on the left side, and
the third was fully skinned. Each shark cost approximately a
quarter of a million dollars to make. Lots of servos
and shit, and that motherfucker lots of lots of wiring
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and shit in there.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
So to get fucked in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Little shit. Let's see here. Most of the film was
shot handheld. The best counter of the ocean swell. You'd
have to You couldn't have a stationary camera to film
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that with the boat rocking back and forth and shit.
Quint's boat is named Orca. Like you said, Being a
shark hunter by profession, Quinton knows that orca is traditionally
known as killer whales, are the only known predator of
the great white shark.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
That's true. I've watched a many Discovery Channels shows about
the orcas hunting the whales. They eat their livers or
their kidneys or something, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Brody's dog in the movie was actually Spielberg's real dog, Elmer.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
We know George Lucas had a dog named Indiana. Oh,
George Lucas Steven Spielberg friendship is legendary in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
When Midwestern audiences were shown an early cut of the film,
they were so shocked by the pop up scare that
occurs when the great White shark breaches the surface of
the water as Brody shums off the bay of the boat,
that the reactions drowned out his iconic comment You're gonna
need a bigger boat.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, we talked her about that one.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
After reviewing their taping of the moment, the filmmakers extended
the sequence, adding another ten point six meters of film
to give the audience enough time to recover, to enjoy
the much needed moment of comic relieve.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Whatever on that one.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
It is over fucking done. Yeah, people just use it
for stupid shit, now that that's saying. Yeah, let's see here,
there were two three hundred pound weights attached to Susan
(42:19):
back Leaney that were being tugged on by two groups
of crew men on shore. One group would pull right
and one group of pull left. It took three days
to film that sequence. That's the opening sequence of Chrissy.
And we've talked about a lot of this other stuff,
so okay, just uh yeah, they just had so many
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issues and you know, such a big crew on this
it was crazy. Yeah, to all be in the ocean,
you know. So all right, what are you gonna rate
this movie as?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
And you go first? It's your movie?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Do you want me? It's my movie? I didn't pick it.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
You said this is one of your top ten of
all time.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, but I didn't pick it.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
But you go first, all right. I went first last week.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Seen this movie when it came out opening weekend. Dude,
not me. I remember where I seen what the movie theater.
I seen it at Fox Theater in Pure Illinois, And
I don't know if they did this at all the
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at other theaters, but they had like a fifteen foot
round swimming pool out in the fucking parking lot with
a fucking guy swimming around with a fart shark fin
on his back.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Not he's gonna say a fart machine.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Ah, got tongue tied there. So I thought that was
pretty fucking stupid. Yeah, anyway, but I love this movie.
I've loved it since the first time I seen it.
I've probably actually went to see it three or four
or five other times that summer. You go see it.
(44:14):
It's about like when Star Wars come out. Everybody would
go to the theater twenty times and see Star Wars.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
For me, that would have been Batman. In eighty nine.
My friend David still saw that movie I think two
hundred and fifty times in the theater. He went every
day while it was still in release after work because
he worked right by the mall. Not lying.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, I think my dad actually went to go see
this with us too for some reason. I think he
liked Robert Shaw from one of the from Russia with Love.
I think Robert H.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
James Bond.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, the old man was a pretty big James Bond fan.
And and uh, I think he actually went with us,
which was fucking very unusual. And uh don't remember what
he thought about it or anything like that, you know,
but I'm pretty sure he jumped a couple of times
though I remember, right, But yeah, I can't. There's nothing
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bad I can say about this movie, man. Uh, everything
acting in it was top night. Uh, just a little quirky,
stupid bullshit, you know that. I like, sort of liked
it too. You know, I'm gonna give it a five
(45:46):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Okay, Well, I definitely don't have the links or draw
the jaws that you have. I didn't see it in
the theater. I don't, I guess. Ever, I remember the
first time I saw it, I thought it was a
little on the boring side. Back then, that would have
probably been in the eighties because I was expecting it
to be basically a shark jumping around twenty four to seven,
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and it's not. Would you say, he's only in at
four minutes. Now, as I'm older, I realized that that
was a smart thing and that made the movie without
with the shark in, and it would have just been
it wouldn't have worked. I do feel like this movie
is slow in places. Again, had a five year old
trying to watch it. He finally just said, I'm going
(46:32):
to the other room. When Josh shows up, call me back.
So it definitely has its slower moments and a little
bit of dumbness to it, I guess. But it is
the seventies but iconic movie.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
This is.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That new documentary. All these filmmakers are definitely influenced by
the way Spielberg made this and how he is actual
direction of it. So you got an iconic movie here
that was sort of hidden in a horror movie that's
not a horror movie. I think that that term is
bad for some movies. In this one it would be
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it's not a horror movie. Honestly, there's not much bad
I can say about it. I don't think I'm gonna
give it a true five. I'll give it a four
point five. It's got a few moments that are just
a little slow for me.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It was definitely a moneymaker.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
That Robert Shaw guy is annoying too. Sometimes. They said
he was an alcoholic. I think his character is just
a little bit over the top. That might be where
I give it a few points off.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well, they wanted to They wanted to have a scene
in there with him watching movie Moby Dick in a
movie theater, laughing out loud the whole time. That would
have really, that would have fucking sucked.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Old Royce Schreider whatever's name is, and Richard Dreyfus are
perfect in their roles, so very good acting job by
both of those two men. So yeah, I definitely think
Jaws is and must see for everybody.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Nicolai's comment was, I said, Niko, they're about to kill Jaws,
and he watched Jaws blow up, and then he looked
at me and said, that wasn't Jaws. That was Jaw's brother.
Jaws will come back in the next movie. So according
to Nikolay, that was not Jaws that died, it was
his brother's funny So I guess I have to show
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the kid Jaws too soon, where I'm thinking that Shark
is in it a lot more than four minutes, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
And another thing, the merch for this movie too. There
hadn't been really a movie that had come out at
that before that that the merch was so hot. They
had Jaws fucking everything back in the day.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, that makes I.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Had a Jaws T shirt. And I think that Chris
miss I got the Jaws game. Do you remember the
Jaws game? You ever seen it?
Speaker 4 (49:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:04):
I don't remember that you tried to fish the fucking
shit out of its mouth of a fish hook sounds
like a operation, and it was run on fucking rubber bands,
and fucking the rubber bands would break and then he'd
have to try to find rubber bands to play the
motherfucker because it only came with like five rubber bands.
(49:24):
Oh shit.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
But definitely, this is an iconic movie that definitely should
not be called a horror movie. No, that would probably
be the only thing that hurts it there that people
that are gonna expect Jaws to jump out like this
picture every five minutes, and he doesn't, And I'm glad
he doesn't. Save that for Jaws two and Jaws three
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and all the fake Jaw movies that come after it.
There's like, how many shark movies now? Oh, I know
some of them.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Are actually pretty good, sharp Nato.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Most of them are dumb, but there's been a couple
of shark movies that are pretty deep. But Jaws definitely
was an influence on lots of people, lots of movie
directors and lots of producers and what makes up even
Spielberg a household name.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yep, for sure. He went on to do some more blockbusters,
for sure. Oh yeah, what was the name of that
movie where the uh couple was out? They got We're
diving into the boat left them out in the middle
of the fucking ocean. Yeah, open water. That was it.
That movie was a trip.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Blue Sea is another one of interest. I think. I
think that's the one that had Samuel L. Jackson in it.
Oh yeah, there's something like forty eight meters down. I
don't know what it is. I had to take one
of the kids to see that in the theater, and
I'm like, I don't want to go see some fake
Jaws movie. It was a good movie. So there's a
few good shark movies out there, but none of them
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will beat the original Jaws of All Shark movies, No
King of All Sharks, even though he's only in it
for four minutes.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I know, that's fucking funny. When I fucking seen that,
I was like, God, damn.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Well, it's sort of not true because you see his
fin a whole lot. Yeah, but the actual I guess
the robotic shark is you know, I don't know, but
you know it's back then. That was our special effects.
There weren't no computer graphics, so no shark broke, so
they may do and they made a good rapticle. Yep.
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I think Dick Warlock was involved in something in this.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
He was stunt coordinator or something.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Michael Myers from Halloween two.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yep, he's on the interview too. But uh yeah, for
a movie that was so time consuming to make, did
a great job for sure. Man.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
So it's in your top ten of all time?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Eh, Yeah, it's in my top ten of all time
of all movies.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
I wouldn't put it in my top ten, but you
know I'm weird. Anybody that would have Evil Dead too
in their top ten of all time, I guess is
a weird person and that would be me, so shit.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Well, all right, Happy birthday, Jaws, Happy anniversary birthday Jows
Bruce not Campbell. So I guess that's all we got
for Jaws. And make sure you enter the contest if
you're around North Texas here and I want to go
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to a convention for free.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Next week will be Evil Talk with Greg joining us
as always our permanent co host of Evil Talk.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
YEP. So thanks everybody for watching and listening. And I've
been getting a couple more people in the group lately too.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
The group is getting pretty active. Actually yeah, I'm not
very active in and honestly, maybe I should get a
little more active. I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Don't you should.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I haven't been posting on Facebook a lot here lately
until tonight.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Till tonight, we won't even go into that now, ha
ha ha. All right, everybody, thanks again and appreciate you,
and stavele everybody.
Speaker 4 (53:43):
There is a creature alive today has survived millions of
years of evolution without change, without passion and without logic,
it lives to kill, less, eating machine. It will attack
(54:05):
and devour anything. It is as if God created the
devil and gave him Jaws from the best selling novel
(54:28):
Jaws rated PG. Maybe too intense for younger children. Sssh
This is the Evil Never Dies Podcast with Breton Karl.
This podcast may contain adult themes, violence, and strong language.
Listener discretion is advised.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Evil Never Dies Podcast.
I'm Brett here with Carl, and Uh, what's going on? Man?
Not much. It's been a slow fu week. I know that.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Not for me. It's been a busy ass week.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You've been working over a lot again.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Working over, going to classes, doing all kinds of shit.
I did not go start on the backyard today, and
I'm kind of pissed at myself that I did not.
We got to get that done at some point.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, well we're going to It's hot already, so we're
gonna have to get up early in the morning, like
it's seven and start that shit. So we're not dying
by noon. Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I can stay out there if I have to, But
I don't know. I really don't care that much. If
there's a houndred, that will be a houndred if we
do it. And we got the whole month of September,
so fuck. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
If it cools down then but we'll we'll get.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Her probably won't cool down, then.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
We'll get her done.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Last night as we record this, which is Saturday, was
the fiftieth anniversary of the really release of the movie Jaws,
the actual to the day fiftieth anniversary. So I took
it upon myself to watch Jaws with Mikayla and Niko,
who loves sharks. So it was a fun experience watching
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it with them, And that is our topic tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
How old is he four?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
He's five five yep. And Jaws is not a bad movie.
There's nothing really bad about it, honestly period. He's rated PG, yeah,
and I think today it would still be rated PG,
if not less.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, Yeah, which sort of surprised me. With the blood,
you know, there's a lot of blood that bad.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
You'd mentioned a few well, I think the last Evil
talked that the fiftieth anniversary was coming up, but for
some reason, I thought it was in September or October
because apparently they're going to re release it to the theater,
but they're not re releasing it till then, which makes
no damn sense. Yeah, I know, I've seen unless they're
just not want to compete with summer movies, you know,
like the Superman's coming out, And yeah, I think so
(03:08):
they're putting another Jurassic Park movie out. I don't know why,
but they are so maybe that's what it was. But anyway,
somebody at work said it was the actual coming up,
and I'm like, well, crap, Brett, this is one of
your favorite movies. I guess we should cover the damn
thing on its fiftieth anniversary weekend. Now, I will say
(03:29):
I am not an expert on the movie Jaws. Just
like when we did Carry, I gave that out. I
do know more about Jaws than I did Carry. So
some of these seventies movies are just not my thing.
So that, with full disclosure, this is probably going to
be more of a bread episode.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Now you were any Bitty when it came out, too
and seven.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
So yeah, and some of these movies just really wasn't
on my radar as a kid, honestly, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Because I was when it came out.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I was, like we said last week, I was, I'm
interested in watching Friday the thirteenth and Halloween and then
Freddy then watching you know, a movie about a shark.
When I was a kid, it just wasn't a big
appeal to me then. So I'm not the biggest expert
on jaws. So we'll talk about it as we go.
All right, maybe you have five year old's opinion of
(04:19):
it as well, so interesting opinions. All right, you don't
have a hat on?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I don't you look better without a hat?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Do I? Yep? I have one gray strip over here, though.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Die the shit.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I ain't dying nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You're gonna look like an old gray headed dude from Saxon,
Biff whatever his name is, Biff. Yeah, all right. He
was actually the first dude that let his hair go gray.
I got to give him a lot of credit for that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, that's what I'm gonna do. I ain't gonna spend
the money to diet.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Just wear wig.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wear a wig. Oh no, I'll just be gray.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I hear Ace Frehley wears a wig?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Does he? Really?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That's what I've been told?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Did he lose all his hair?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
I just think they cut their hair short and wear
wigs when they're out. I think they've been doing that
ship for years, all of them. I think in the
eighties half the time they were wearing wigs. Our hair weaves.
I think the hair weave was big. We just didn't
know all that stuff back then. Hey, look, I'm wearing
my Pentagram shirt again. It's actually pretty comfy. After I
washed it, I bought it new, you know, and headed on,
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I think for the show that week, and I'm like, ah,
this thing is it's much itchy, quite comfy. Now, yeah,
let's go on to Jaws.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
All right. Jaws directed by Steven Spielberg. Screenplay by Peter
Benchley and Carl Gottlieb, based on the novel Jaws by
Peter Benchley. Produced by Richard d Zanak and David Brown.
Cinematography Bill Butler, and he did a great job with
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all the ship they had to go through. Very good cinematography,
edited by Verna Fields. Music by the great John Williams.
And it's probably one of the most known music or
scores for a film ever. Probably, I would say so,
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probably next to Halloween, I would say.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I would say so, yeah, sure, and they probably Psycho
before that. Yeah, maybe, Yeah, I would say it's in
the top top of course.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
For sure. It's like the first the first two notes
and you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Production companies are Xanik Brown Company and Universal Pictures. Distributed
by Universal Pictures. Release date of June twentieth, nineteen seventy five.
As a running time of one hundred and twenty four minutes.
Country of origin the United States English Language. Had a
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budget of nine million dollars, and I think it went
over budgeted.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
A couple went over budget, and the shark didn't work
half the time. But we'll get into that. I'm sure
a lot more as we go.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, and uh went over on time too.
It was supposed to be three months and ended up
taking seven.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So yeah, right, that that was a I'm surprised this
Philburgh didn't get fired for that. He thought they were
going to fire him.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah. And at the box office made four hundred and
seventy seven point nine million dollars. I think that was
like in the just the first seven months that it
was out.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Right. Sorry, I'm still on Facebook ranting.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's considered the like the first Blockbuster movie. I think
it was so yeah, they'd never seen nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, and before we go any further, is this really
a horror movie?
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Not really, I would I don't think it is more
of a.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Action suspense actually suspense sort of hitchcocky and if that's
a word, I think I just invented maybe thriller sort
of maybe, yeah, yeah, I don't consider this a horror
movie at all. I just a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
It does have its horror aspects. Yeah, but it's actually
not considered a horror movie.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Okay, I just sort of curious. Like I said, I'm
not that familiar with a lot behind the scenes on
the on the Giles, as I used to call it,
jowls not jaws. It's just a laugh gowsws. Yeah, you're
rocking the hair. Looks a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Better rocking the hair. Huh.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, you got all your good hair and you hat
it in the hat.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
People probably think I'm bald. Huh.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I always thought you were known you all these years.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
All right, what's up next? What are we gonna go?
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm not through you off.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I guess we can go over the plot.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well, I guess the plot's pretty easy. Damn Gaws is
killing people in the ocean. That's the plot.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It is.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Really, it's pretty much the plot.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It does have a good story, though.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It has a good story. It starts out with the
two idiots go swimming in the ocean and a shark
attacks again eats her. The female yep and sat on
the beach and this amity beach. Is that any relation
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to Amityville. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
No, no, actually this came out before Amityville, I would think, ye.
But yeah, the Amity Beach. So they shut the beach down,
everybody gets mad, they open the beach back, Jaws strikes again.
Then they catch a fake Jaws, possibly a brother, we
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don't know, and then they go out looking for Jaws.
And that's that's about the plot of the movie. If
you haven't watched this and you I don't know what
to tell you, I mean, watch it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I guess I'm pretty sure everybody that watches this show
has seen Jaws.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'm sure everybody. That's what I'm saying. I don't even
know why I give the plot of these things. Honestly, Well, Carl,
sometimes you need to give the plot, not for jobs.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Some movies we do people have never even fucking heard of.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Probably, So yeah, like Subspecies, which was so bad it
got deleted. That was our lowest rated show ever. That
was a non evil talk what were they used to
call them? Free for alls?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Those I think we finally got that show running good now.
But yeah, that that Subspecies tanked.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Speaking of that, we got that'll be next week's show
will be the subspecies No Evil Talk Live.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, and I don't even know what the hell you're
going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't either. We'll figure something.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Out possibly back to Jowls.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
All right, I guess we'll go over the cast here.
Really good cast, excellent cast.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
First off, we got Roy Schreider as Brody, Robert Shaw
as Quint Richard Dreyfuss as Hooper, Lorraine Gary as Ellen Brody,
Murray Hamilton as Vaughn, the Mayor of Amity, Carl Gottlieb
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as Meadows, Jeffrey Kramer as Hendrix. He was like the
police other police guy. Susan Backlay as Chrissy Jaw's first victim.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Oh yeah, Now, I saw an interview with her on
all those extras. Ye was not impressed with her interview.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Next off, we got Jonathan Filey as Cassidy, Ted Grossman
as Estuary Victim, Charles Rebello as Michael Brody, Jay Mellow
as Sean Brody, Lee Fierro as Missus Kittner, and Jeffrey
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Voorhees as Alex Kittnervorees Yep, Jason's brother.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Vorheezes are everywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Craig Kinsbury is Ben Gardner.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Isn't he from Halloween too? No, I's Ben Tramer.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Ben Tramer, Robert Nevin as the medical medical examiner. Peter
Benchley had a cameo as the interviewer news guy.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, that was interesting and I never knew that till
I'll watched the extras.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And this is funny. Tim Aguire as the infant screaming
on the beach.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Okay, that's it.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's the cast for Jaws.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, there's only like seven people that are actually in
this movie. The rest are just a bunch of extras.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And well they're all the whole actual island is not
that's they were all extras. The whole island was extras. Basic.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say without saying it.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So that's the cast. Uh, I guess we can go
over the You got the four K and I got the.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I was about to get on something else.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Very good version of the that they did.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I have the four K, which has been out for
a little bit now. They've actually re released this four
K is the fiftieth anniversary edition and included a documentary
that that Steven Spielberg just taped and really cool of them.
The fan Dango. If you have the four K, they
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actually give you that hour and a half show for
free on there, so you don't have to They're not
making a double dip like the old days of DVD.
Really good documentary that he I watched that whole thing
and it was it was fun. A lot of it
was more of it was more of a nod to
Spielberg than the movie. It was a lot of jj Abram,
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a lot of directors, even George Lucas was on there
how that movie influenced them. So there was a lot
of influence outside of any kind of horror, suspense, realm,
just from Spielberg doing this. And that's a really good
watch if you if you can look at it, go
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for it. I just got a weird notice that's why
I got lost.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We did a really good job on restoring it, for sure.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well this is an actual I don't know what you got,
but this four K got even more restoration.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Well they they were they restored this off the original negatives.
So and they showed the process on there. There's a
thing on here where they show them how they did
the restoration. Yeah, and uh, it's it's very cool to
see how they did that they actually picture.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, the picture on this is absolutely phenomenal for what
it is. It did seem a bit darker than I remembered,
but I didn't have a problem with that. I think.
I don't know about your Blu ray, but the four
k's do come off a bit darker on a lot
of these movies because that's how they originally were. You know,
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when you're in the theater, there's a lot of dark
movie scenes, and I don't think they produced those well
on prior to the four K format. Just an opinion.
Now I was looking, I got to notice it said
my cameras at twenty percent. I never had that pop
up before, So that threw me off of my game
for a minute. Yeah, isn't that weird? It just popped
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up and it got me off track.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Your camera on your phone?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, anyway, that's weird. This is definitely a five star
release on the four K and Universal put it out.
It's not by screen factor anybody else. Universal kick ass
on this shit. Sometimes. They still are big on physical media,
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and they also support Peacock, so you can watch most
of the Universal things on Peacock at various times of
the year, all the Jaws are out there right now
on Peacock if you want to watch them, they're there,
probably won't be there forever since it's the fiftyth anniversary.
It's sometimes hard to find two. Three and that weird
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four which Jaws the Revenge that movie was stupid doing.
Three are good to look at. But yeah, do you
remember these?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, that's how old this is. I bought this at
least ten years ago, for sure, the old ultraviolet digital
copy that you can Yeah, I don't think they have
that shit anymore. Do they know?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's movies anywhere now, which everybody with a paramount and
Lionsgate are a part of one.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
If the code still works.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Probably not. You can give it out on the air
and see if somebody wants it. If it works, you
do digital digital. I always forget what to call that.
It is actually called digital. It's not streaming and digital
like right now. Final Destination just came out this week.
It's twenty four dollars, but I'm damn tempted to just
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buy it because I was going to go to the
theater and see it. I love my Fandango Slash Voodoo,
and actually I believe whoever's behind Universal on that now Comcast,
but they're still doing a good job with the former
Voodoo now Bandango. But yeah, definitely a five star release.
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There's like two hours of special features on these things.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah. I think I got this in the bargain bend
somewhere for like six bucks or something too.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I don't know where I found this, but I did. Obviously,
I like Jaws enough to buy a four K, so
that should tell you a little bit about it.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I guess, huh, it's a classic, man, Yeah, what can
you say?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I got? The other is just on a regular Blu
ray box set. They've actually got those out in four
K now at least part two. I don't know about
Part three. I've always wanted to see Part three and
three D, but I don't guess I ever will anyway,
that's the physical media. They're also on the Fandango on
sale right now. To Part one comes with all the
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special features that are on the physical So if you're
not into buying these things and go over to Fandango
and check it out, or if you're a cheap ass,
go to two Old Peacock and watch it there. Universal
has everybody covered, So thumbs up to Universal Pictures. Still
one of the best movie companies in the world. Home
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of Frankenstein still kicking ass.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I've owned Jaws on probably every form of physical media except.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Four K, So yeah, I'm sure I did too. Like
I said, I don't remember buying this, but I remember
I had it. I don't know what the story behind
it is, but there you go. Good release from from
our friends at Universal Pictures. They need to give us
this a sponsorship.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
M M, all right, I guess we'll go get into
a trivia and there is a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I was afraid of that. You might have to hit
some highlights if we go too long.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Hit some highlights, all right, several.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Don't give the goofs. I hate it when you do goofs.
I think you've stopped goofs.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I don't like the goofs. There.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
There's probably a lot of goofs in this, and I
don't want to hear about the goofs.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Several decades after the film's release, Lee Fierro, who played
Missus Kintner, walked into a seafood restaurant and noticed an
Alex Kittenner sandwich on the menu. She commented that she
had played his mother many years ago. Jeffrey Vore, who
is who played Alex Kintner that was the manager of
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the restaurant, and ran out to meet her. They hadn't
seen each other since the original movie was shot. Well
that's a little heartwarming little thing there for Jaws, Joals Jowles.
When composer John Williams originally played the score for director
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Steven Spielberg, Spielberg laughed and said, that's funny, John, really,
but what did you really have in mind for the
theme of Jaws?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Spielberg later stated that without William's score, the movie would
have only been half as successful. According to Williams, it
jump started his career.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
All true, true, all true again, very Hitchcock Psycho right there.
You take the music out of Psycho, it's not a
good movie. Thenk you take the music out of Jaws,
it definitely wouldn't be as good a movie. Scores are important, Yes,
they are, as we talk about every week. You know,
Jerry Polly always liked it when we talked about the
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music in the score. So shout out there our friend Jerry.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yep. All right. According to Carl Gottlieb, roy Scheider ad
lived the line you're gonna need a bigger boat.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think that line gets overrated.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, And they had to like throw it in there
because didn't Jaws just like show up. And then they
actually mentioned that in one of the things that they
had to like say it again the scene.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, so he just they had to extend the scene
of him walking backwards off the back of the boat.
So he just threw that in and he left it in.
According to director Spielberg, the prop arm looked too fake
in the scene where Christie's remains are discovered, so instead
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they buried a female cruise members in the sand with
only her arm exposed, and then threw the crabs all over.
Oh wow, So it was a real human.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Arm was a real human, not a fake.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Over sixty seven million people in the US went to
see this film when it was initially released in nineteen
seventy five, just under a third of the country's total
population at the time. See.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
I didn't know that it was a buzz from the beginning.
I thought this might have been a slow build.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Like we said, making it the first summer blockbuster. Yeah. Now,
they were originally going to release this in October, like
they're doing this the fifty Yeah, like you said, because
back in the summer they didn't like to release big
movies because everybody was always out doing stuff and not
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going to the movies. But I went to the movie
all the time when I was a kid. This summer, well, I.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Mean, that's all I've ever known was the summer. You know,
is my age range, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
But usually they released blockbusters out around the holidays and
shit like that.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
You know. Yeah, I remember when Friday nights were like
the big TV night. Now nobody you know, watches TV
on Friday night. Well obviously not with the world of streaming,
but network TV was big on Fridays when Dallas and
stuff was out. So yep, times changing, things change. So yeah,
not having a summer blockbuster is foreign to me, but
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I could see it. I guess. Maybe there's a lot
more fun stuff do in the seventies than go to
the movies in the summer. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I was in the woods most of the time in
the summer.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No tell them what you were doing in the woods.
I probably don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Though respected as an actor, Robert Shaw's trouble with alcohol
was a frequent source of tension during filming In later interviews,
Roy Schreider described his co star as a perfect gentleman.
Whenever he was sober, all he needed was one drink,
and then he turned into a competitive son of a bitch.
According to Karl Gottlib's book The Jaws Log, Shaw was
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having a drink between takes and announced I wish I
could quit drinking to this prize. Of surprise and horror
of the crew, Richard Dreyfus grabbed Shaw's glass and tossed
it to the ocean, much to Shaw's chagrin. Shaw allegedly
bully Dryfus for the rest of the shoot, offer him
one thousand dollars to climb the seventy foot mast and
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jump into the ocean, calling Dreyfus a coward. Whenever he refused.
One day, Shaw sprayed him with a fire hose, causing
an enraged Dreyfus to storm off, saying that's it. I
don't want to work with you anymore. Go fuck yourself.
Then it came time to shoot the famous USS Indianapolis scene.
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Shaw attempted to do the monologue while intoxicated, as it
called for the men to be drinking late at night.
Nothing in the take could be used a remorseful. Shaw
called Spielberg late that night and asked if he could
have another try. The next day of shooting, Shaws, electrifying
performance was done in one take, which that probably is
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the most one of the most memorable scenes of the
movie by far. Spielberg said that when he first read
the novel, he found himself rooting for the shark because
the human characters were so unlikable. Yeah. In the book,
the missus Brodie cheats with the.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, that was like I heard that whenever on the
Extra futures or special commentaries, whatever you want to call him. Yeah,
he's cheating on him and all kinds of fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah. Composer John Williams conducted the Orchestra during the nineteen
seventy six Academy Awards, so when it was announced that
he won the Oscar for Best Score, he had to
run up to the podium to accept his Oscar and
then run back to continue conducting the orchestra.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Isn't that funny?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
That's bad ass, I think. And yeah, they were nominated.
Spielberg didn't get nominated for Best Director, and I guess
he was sort of better about it. They showed him,
they showed an interview of him on the special features
of him watching on the TV the nominations for the
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Oscars that year, and he's holding his hand in his face,
in his hand, He's like, I wasn't nominated. I wasn't nominated. Okay,
So he was sort of pissed about that. But they
weren't nominated for Best Film, which they didn't win, lost
out to Cuckoo's Nest.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Now that'd be hard to beat for a movie, you
know exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
That was a very good movie. Yeah, but they did
win Best Music, Best Score, and Best Screenplay, I think too.
Let's see here, we already know that Robert Shawn Richard
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Dreyfuss can't stand each other. Yes. According to the Making
of Jaws nineteen ninety five documentary, the shooting star that
appears during the night scene as Brody loaded his revolver
was real, not an optical effect. However, years later it
has been showed that indeed it was added in post production.
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The scene where they are visible was shot during the
day with a filter over the lens to make it
look like nighttime, and therefore would not have shown a
shooting star. In addition to this, a shooting star has
been one of Spielberg's calling cards in numerous movies.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, that was the cool part.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Have you seen The Shooting Star. Yeah, a lot of
people don't notice it when they watched the movie.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I noticed it last night and pointed it out.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Let's see here we talked a little bit about this.
We said it opened up on June twenty, nineteen seventy five.
It was supposed to be released in theaters for Christmas
of seventy four, but because filming ran away over shooting,
schedule or release was pushed back to the summer of
seventy five. So that's when, like we said, they used
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to put the worst movies out during the summer. Back then,
it was like you they thought people always.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know, I forgot this was a big novel, So
I guess it would have had a lot of As soon.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
As they announced it was going to be made into
a movie, he sold a lot of high He sold
like a million copies and like four days dude, so
helped him out a lot.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But he only but he made his money back on
the bucks because he only sold the rights for the
movie for two hundred and fifty thousand, you know, so
he made out like a bandit. Anyway, he said they
offered him that, and he's like, shit, I got three
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hundred bucks in my bank account, I'm taking it.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, I mean, who knows that he got another offer?
Isn't how things are going to turn out? And shit?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Yep, the scene where the head pops out of the
hole in the boat was not originally scripted. Spielberg says
he got greedy after he saw the preview audience's reaction
to the scene where the shark jumps out behind Brodie's
head and wanted one more scare. So that was it,
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and they shot that scene in somebody's swimming pool. Yeah,
that's fucking crazy. Bruce, the shark has four minutes of
screen time in the whole movie.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I faced it not Bruce Campbell for a minute. Yeah,
the shark wasn' named Bruce. You're right, he's only in
at four times.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
God damn four minutes of screen time out of a
fucking two hour and four minute movie.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
About a shark.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I don't know if that was If that's good or bad,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's just you knew even when he wasn't coming. That's
another thing about the music.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
You knew that the music gave it away.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So even if you didn't see the shark, so.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't. I think even Spielberg
said if the shark could have been in it more,
it would have probably not been his at a movie.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
So Spielberg was not the original director of Jaws. Dick
Richards was fired after a meeting with producers and studio execs.
In the meeting, he said that his opening shot would
have the camera come out of the water to show
the town, then the whale.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
The Yeah, he kept calling it a whal. I remember that.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Producers said that they were not making Moby Dick and
they would not work with someone who did not know
the difference between a whale at a shark. I fucking
don't blame him one bit.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
I don't know. We had that Orca, the Killer Whale
movie come out, so maybe that guy was involved in
that one.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Maybe, who knows. I don't know. I think the work
I called Orca was a book too by Benchley.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Might have been. Orca was also the name of the boat.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yep, it was the name of the boat too. See
I do know.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
More about Jaws than I thought. Maybe it's because I
just watched it, but I'm surprising myself that I do
know a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
This was entirely filmed, well, not entirely filmed, but mostly
filmed in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, used as Amity Island, primarily
because even twelve miles out to see, the sandy bottom
was only thirty feet deep along the mechanical shark to function,
residents were paid sixty four dollars to scream and run
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across the beaches extras. That's funny. Sixty four dollars per day. Yeah,
let's see here. I already talked about that, just all
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the trouble they had on this. They tested the shark
back in Hollywood, you know, and it worked fine, work fine,
We're fine in the in the lake there on the
Universal lot. Then they get it in the ocean and
the fucking salt water just fucked it up.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
That's what fucked it up was with the ocean.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Okay, salt water. Yeah, that's why they had their problems.
Salt water don't like electronics, dude, No.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
It doesn't. That I've killed two fit bits in the ocean.
The first time, I didn't realize that. The second time
I did, and this, yeah, you know, you can wear
these things anywhere, don't wear them in salt water. They'll
survive forever to you. They hit that salt water, it
will fuck electronics up and a lot of other stuff.
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Unless you've been in the ocean, you don't realize how
salty that water is.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
So that's why the Shark didn't work. Change the whole
future of the movie. The shark breaking.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, and they had I guess everybody had handheld radios,
you know, like almost everybody in the crew, and hear
everybody's radio going off. The Shark's not working. The Shark's
not working. Yeah. They ended up taking them like four
(36:18):
or five months to get the Shark working. After the
start of production.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Well, I know they had to go back. They used that.
I think the MGM lot to do some post production too.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Let's see here. Roy Scheider stated an interview that in
the scene where Missus Kintner smacks him in the face,
she was actually hitting him. Apparently the actress could not
fake a slap, so the seventeen takes were some of
the most painful of Shier's acting career. Also, Pierro stated
(36:54):
that in several interviews that one of the takes. When
she slapped him, his glasses fell off. She did it,
Look at it. He is getting hit hard. Spielberg took
seventeen takes and he had to get that hand just
right on his face. Spielberg's biggest fear, other than appearance
(37:17):
performance of the Mechanical Shark, was that cameras would catch
sight of land. The reason Spielberg did not want land
to be seen was because he thought the audience could
envision the characters having the option to just of just
running back to shore when in danger. He wanted to
isolate the audience as much as the characters. Yeah, did
(37:41):
a good job with that, and I guess they had problems.
They had a regatta going on when they were filming,
and fucking sailboats kept coming in front of the shot,
so they'd have to wait. You know, you know you're
in the ocean.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Shit don't Yeah, you can't stop the ocean.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
You know, you're moving all the time, you know, That's
why it was so hard to So they'd have to
wait an hour and a half for everything to settle
down and get back into spot, you know, and they'd
be and then here'd come another one. So they'd have
to wait another hour and a half. No wonder, it
took fucking seven months to make you know. Let's see here.
(38:29):
An accident during filming caused the Orca to begin sinking.
Spielberg began screaming over a bullhorn for the nearby safety
boats to rescue the actors. John R. Carter, already up
to his knees and water was sinking on the sinking Orca,
held his Niagara tape recorder up over his head and scream,
(38:49):
fuck the actors. Save the sound department. During the accident,
the film camera was The film camera was submerged, so
it's film still submerged incy water was assumed to be ruined. However,
once it was realized that developing solution is saline, the
film was flown back to New York film lab. Technicians
(39:10):
didn't lose any of the footage. Accident described starting the
make it on the making of Jaws the thirtieth Anniversary DVD.
That's sort of cool that they didn't lose it and
had to reshoot all that shit.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That would have really fucked them up.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
There were three bruces.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Made, and yeah, I know this story. See I do
know more about this than I thought.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Each with specialized functions. One shark was open on the
right side, one was open on the left side, and
the third was fully skinned. Each shark cost approximately a
quarter of a million dollars to make. Lots of servos
and shit, and that motherfucker lots of lots of wiring
(40:02):
and shit in there.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
So to get fucked in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Little shit. Let's see here. Most of the film was
shot handheld. The best counter of the ocean swell. You'd
have to You couldn't have a stationary camera to film
(40:27):
that with the boat rocking back and forth and shit.
Quint's boat is named Orca. Like you said, Being a
shark hunter by profession, Quinton knows that orca is traditionally
known as killer whales, are the only known predator of
the great white shark.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
That's true. I've watched a many Discovery Channels shows about
the orcas hunting the whales. They eat their livers or
their kidneys or something, and that's it.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Brody's dog in the movie was actually Spielberg's real dog, Elmer.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
We know George Lucas had a dog named Indiana. Oh,
George Lucas Steven Spielberg friendship is legendary in Hollywood.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
When Midwestern audiences were shown an early cut of the film,
they were so shocked by the pop up scare that
occurs when the great White shark breaches the surface of
the water as Brody shums off the bay of the boat,
that the reactions drowned out his iconic comment You're gonna
need a bigger boat.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, we talked her about that one.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
After reviewing their taping of the moment, the filmmakers extended
the sequence, adding another ten point six meters of film
to give the audience enough time to recover, to enjoy
the much needed moment of comic relieve.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Whatever on that one.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
It is over fucking done. Yeah, people just use it
for stupid shit, now that that's saying. Yeah, let's see here,
there were two three hundred pound weights attached to Susan
(42:19):
back Leaney that were being tugged on by two groups
of crew men on shore. One group would pull right
and one group of pull left. It took three days
to film that sequence. That's the opening sequence of Chrissy.
And we've talked about a lot of this other stuff,
so okay, just uh yeah, they just had so many
(42:45):
issues and you know, such a big crew on this
it was crazy. Yeah, to all be in the ocean,
you know. So all right, what are you gonna rate
this movie as?
Speaker 3 (43:03):
And you go first? It's your movie?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Do you want me? It's my movie? I didn't pick it.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
You said this is one of your top ten of
all time.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, but I didn't pick it.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
But you go first, all right. I went first last week.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Seen this movie when it came out opening weekend. Dude,
not me. I remember where I seen what the movie theater.
I seen it at Fox Theater in Pure Illinois, And
I don't know if they did this at all the
(43:38):
at other theaters, but they had like a fifteen foot
round swimming pool out in the fucking parking lot with
a fucking guy swimming around with a fart shark fin
on his back.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Not he's gonna say a fart machine.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Ah, got tongue tied there. So I thought that was
pretty fucking stupid. Yeah, anyway, but I love this movie.
I've loved it since the first time I seen it.
I've probably actually went to see it three or four
or five other times that summer. You go see it.
(44:14):
It's about like when Star Wars come out. Everybody would
go to the theater twenty times and see Star Wars.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
For me, that would have been Batman. In eighty nine.
My friend David still saw that movie I think two
hundred and fifty times in the theater. He went every
day while it was still in release after work because
he worked right by the mall. Not lying.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, I think my dad actually went to go see
this with us too for some reason. I think he
liked Robert Shaw from one of the from Russia with Love.
I think Robert H.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
James Bond.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, the old man was a pretty big James Bond fan.
And and uh, I think he actually went with us,
which was fucking very unusual. And uh don't remember what
he thought about it or anything like that, you know,
but I'm pretty sure he jumped a couple of times
though I remember, right, But yeah, I can't. There's nothing
(45:20):
bad I can say about this movie, man. Uh, everything
acting in it was top night. Uh, just a little quirky,
stupid bullshit, you know that. I like, sort of liked
it too. You know, I'm gonna give it a five
(45:46):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Okay, Well, I definitely don't have the links or draw
the jaws that you have. I didn't see it in
the theater. I don't, I guess. Ever, I remember the
first time I saw it, I thought it was a
little on the boring side. Back then, that would have
probably been in the eighties because I was expecting it
to be basically a shark jumping around twenty four to seven,
(46:10):
and it's not. Would you say, he's only in at
four minutes. Now, as I'm older, I realized that that
was a smart thing and that made the movie without
with the shark in, and it would have just been
it wouldn't have worked. I do feel like this movie
is slow in places. Again, had a five year old
trying to watch it. He finally just said, I'm going
(46:32):
to the other room. When Josh shows up, call me back.
So it definitely has its slower moments and a little
bit of dumbness to it, I guess. But it is
the seventies but iconic movie.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
This is.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
That new documentary. All these filmmakers are definitely influenced by
the way Spielberg made this and how he is actual
direction of it. So you got an iconic movie here
that was sort of hidden in a horror movie that's
not a horror movie. I think that that term is
bad for some movies. In this one it would be
(47:13):
it's not a horror movie. Honestly, there's not much bad
I can say about it. I don't think I'm gonna
give it a true five. I'll give it a four
point five. It's got a few moments that are just
a little slow for me.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It was definitely a moneymaker.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
That Robert Shaw guy is annoying too. Sometimes. They said
he was an alcoholic. I think his character is just
a little bit over the top. That might be where
I give it a few points off.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Well, they wanted to They wanted to have a scene
in there with him watching movie Moby Dick in a
movie theater, laughing out loud the whole time. That would
have really, that would have fucking sucked.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Old Royce Schreider whatever's name is, and Richard Dreyfus are
perfect in their roles, so very good acting job by
both of those two men. So yeah, I definitely think
Jaws is and must see for everybody.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Nicolai's comment was, I said, Niko, they're about to kill Jaws,
and he watched Jaws blow up, and then he looked
at me and said, that wasn't Jaws. That was Jaw's brother.
Jaws will come back in the next movie. So according
to Nikolay, that was not Jaws that died, it was
his brother's funny So I guess I have to show
(48:34):
the kid Jaws too soon, where I'm thinking that Shark
is in it a lot more than four minutes, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
And another thing, the merch for this movie too. There
hadn't been really a movie that had come out at
that before that that the merch was so hot. They
had Jaws fucking everything back in the day.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, that makes I.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Had a Jaws T shirt. And I think that Chris
miss I got the Jaws game. Do you remember the
Jaws game? You ever seen it?
Speaker 4 (49:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (49:04):
I don't remember that you tried to fish the fucking
shit out of its mouth of a fish hook sounds
like a operation, and it was run on fucking rubber bands,
and fucking the rubber bands would break and then he'd
have to try to find rubber bands to play the
motherfucker because it only came with like five rubber bands.
(49:24):
Oh shit.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
But definitely, this is an iconic movie that definitely should
not be called a horror movie. No, that would probably
be the only thing that hurts it there that people
that are gonna expect Jaws to jump out like this
picture every five minutes, and he doesn't, And I'm glad
he doesn't. Save that for Jaws two and Jaws three
(49:46):
and all the fake Jaw movies that come after it.
There's like, how many shark movies now? Oh, I know
some of them.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Are actually pretty good, sharp Nato.
Speaker 3 (49:56):
Most of them are dumb, but there's been a couple
of shark movies that are pretty deep. But Jaws definitely
was an influence on lots of people, lots of movie
directors and lots of producers and what makes up even
Spielberg a household name.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yep, for sure. He went on to do some more blockbusters,
for sure. Oh yeah, what was the name of that
movie where the uh couple was out? They got We're
diving into the boat left them out in the middle
of the fucking ocean. Yeah, open water. That was it.
That movie was a trip.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Blue Sea is another one of interest. I think. I
think that's the one that had Samuel L. Jackson in it.
Oh yeah, there's something like forty eight meters down. I
don't know what it is. I had to take one
of the kids to see that in the theater, and
I'm like, I don't want to go see some fake
Jaws movie. It was a good movie. So there's a
few good shark movies out there, but none of them
(50:57):
will beat the original Jaws of All Shark movies, No
King of All Sharks, even though he's only in it
for four minutes.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
I know, that's fucking funny. When I fucking seen that,
I was like, God, damn.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Well, it's sort of not true because you see his
fin a whole lot. Yeah, but the actual I guess
the robotic shark is you know, I don't know, but
you know it's back then. That was our special effects.
There weren't no computer graphics, so no shark broke, so
they may do and they made a good rapticle. Yep.
(51:39):
I think Dick Warlock was involved in something in this.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
He was stunt coordinator or something.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Michael Myers from Halloween two.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yep, he's on the interview too. But uh yeah, for
a movie that was so time consuming to make, did
a great job for sure. Man.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
So it's in your top ten of all time?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Eh, Yeah, it's in my top ten of all time
of all movies.
Speaker 3 (52:12):
I wouldn't put it in my top ten, but you
know I'm weird. Anybody that would have Evil Dead too
in their top ten of all time, I guess is
a weird person and that would be me, so shit.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Well, all right, Happy birthday, Jaws, Happy anniversary birthday Jows
Bruce not Campbell. So I guess that's all we got
for Jaws. And make sure you enter the contest if
you're around North Texas here and I want to go
(52:49):
to a convention for free.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Next week will be Evil Talk with Greg joining us
as always our permanent co host of Evil Talk.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
YEP. So thanks everybody for watching and listening. And I've
been getting a couple more people in the group lately too.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
The group is getting pretty active. Actually yeah, I'm not
very active in and honestly, maybe I should get a
little more active. I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Don't you should.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
I haven't been posting on Facebook a lot here lately
until tonight.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Till tonight, we won't even go into that now, ha
ha ha. All right, everybody, thanks again and appreciate you,
and stavele everybody.
Speaker 4 (53:43):
There is a creature alive today has survived millions of
years of evolution without change, without passion and without logic,
it lives to kill, less, eating machine. It will attack
(54:05):
and devour anything. It is as if God created the
devil and gave him Jaws from the best selling novel
(54:28):
Jaws rated PG. Maybe too intense for younger children. Sssh
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