April 13, 2025 • 14 mins
With no language set up, the parameters in NCAA athletics are up in the air.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We were talking between the break.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So for those of you who don't know, we actually
talked during the break or during breaks, right, I don't
know who you all are elseid of work? Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know who you guys are, but
true to you kind of. I know that you used to,
you know, dance for the Mavericks. You said, also the Iguanas,
which yes, I have not heard.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah, well, e dude, I'm just showing my age too,
because he doesn't know what the heck.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
We're you talking about it?
Speaker 6 (00:28):
Look at up.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
San Antonio is also from Cleveland. Best logo. He doesn't
even know what a rodeo is?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
What you never you've never had your first rodeo? Oh,
my goodness?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Next year?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, next year.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So I was asking you because obviously you guys get
paid right for the games, and you said that you
never had to deal with anybody that.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Had problems or issues that wanted more money. Nocuse, what
was the rule? It's there's rules.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
You go, you abide by the rules. You showed for practice,
you showed for the appearances.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You get paid a little bit more for the appearances,
a little bit more for the game. That's it. Nobody
asked for any more. Yes, we had captains, Yes we
had choreographers. Did they ask to get paid differently? No?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
You know why because we were a team.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Ah, we're a team.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So you had rules though, but like in the organization,
so if you made the playoffs, was there.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Any No, no extra, no more, the same pay because
we did it for the love and the passion of dancing.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And like I say, on this Sports Senate floor, ty,
I yield the floor to you because that king that
seems to make sense. That makes sense, right, it makes
sense right, Yeah, rules, show up to practice.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Do all this for me and then you can do this.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
And Trudia, I got asked, was there ever a pay
increase in your time with the Mavericks like did from
one year to another year?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Did?
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Was there a pay increase? No, sir, No, So same pay,
every same pay. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
It was fine?
Speaker 6 (01:50):
It was fine.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
It was fine with me.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Wits with you? Is your team's a hole? Was it
fine with everyone?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, as long as we were getting paid, everybody seemed
to be fine with it. Nobody ever had the knock
on the door. Hey, miss Cuban, can we have a
sit down, talk and negotiate my my contract here.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, you made the team.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
This is the pay done sign here.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Did they come to you at the end of each season, Yes,
and say, hey, we're gonna go We're gonna do it again, and.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
This is the PA.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It stays the same.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
How many years of that pay?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Three?
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Three?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
No change? Was there any sort of like outrage though
for you to get paid more?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Never?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Not in not not in my era.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But that's the difference though, because in college for decades,
my era, for college for decades that they had said
that they wanted players to get paid.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
That's the difference.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Like that they be.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Vocal about it. You are fine getting paid all your word,
that's fine, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well you better start paying the cheerleaders, the dance staff,
and the band members who are also doing the same
work as these college athletes. What about the one or
ones challenge? Yeah, they're the ones challenge. They're they're they're traveling,
they're putting down the books. They're doing the same thing.
So you better pay it. Not just these football players,
and I get it, some programs are gonna do different.
Oh you have the floor to you, sir.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
All right, my first question, no disrespect to this, I
would like to see how much revenue a dance team
actually brings in to an organization year over year. Is
that is that an even budget line? Are they had loss?
Just like that alone? You know, I'm saying if you
remove the players and everything else, like you're looking at
budget line? Same thingple Okay, Like when we had that
conversation with WNBA, right, like what what is that?
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Time out here, because here's the problem, right, the Spurs
used to have the Silver Dancers.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, no more, no more? Got rid of them?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Why stupid?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Why'd they get rid of them?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I don't, I don't know, Like I'm they wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
More of a hype team, They wanted more diversity as
far as cheerleading.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You didn't want to bring the women out onto the floor.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Now, when I was growing up and I was in
the twenties and I was you know, I did a
lot of stories over at Ken's with the Silver Dancers.
In fact, I know a couple of them still, And
I'm like why as a fan, yes, as a fan,
why yes? Okay, but everybody would turn there, Oh you
just want to say, no, it's not that it's just
(03:51):
that's so, I get it, they're not going to bring
a lot of revenue, but go on, yeah, so because
you can't really compare a dance squad to a team,
that's kind of I know where you're going, keep going,
but you just did.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I'm not comparing him. I'm not I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
That you can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You have to give it to everybody.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
I'm not saying everyone.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
But going back in the conversation as to Nico, like
we're talking about Nico, Nico is an outlier there. There
are not many Nicos in this nil conversation, and we
tend to grasp on to the Nico like players. And
I don't think Nico made a bad decision on a business.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Level or merles level. In my opinion, he gave the team.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
He gave the team time to figure out the QB
situation if they weren't going to pay him when he
felt like he was worthing.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
They didn't know that he was going to enter the
portal or not. It was up in the air every team.
If he had entered the portal the way you're supposed
to that that gave them time to figure that out.
That was last Is there another portal, Shane, is there
another portal? They have time to recover. That's my point.
He didn't do this in September, a week before season.
He did this with with time to recover.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
So morally he still did right by Tennessee, Tessis has
time to go put their money up. If they're two million, fine,
go find you two million dollar quarterback elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
How long has it been sid season worken over? How
long has been since the collegel bussing in January?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
January?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
How many players have been in the portal since then?
Speaker 6 (05:11):
A lot, probably all of them?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And they gave their team more than I've noticed. Because
that's the proper way to do it. That's an adult
way to do it.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I agree with you right after. I agree with Tie.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
From a business standpoint, it does not make sense for
a player who to play below what their.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Market value is market but as a man, as an.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Adult, you guys are sitting here giving market values for
college players.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well that's where we are now there.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Let me see how he does in the NFL. Okay,
he's a freshman going to do in the NFL. He's
going to be a days he's never going to taste
five billion dollars a year in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's not true. But backups get paid pretty well. Actually,
yeah they do. Coble Rush got paid six and a
half million.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How well is a Texas quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Bet Colt McCoy played for fifteen years as now back up.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, and he made a lot of money and you
never started and never got into the playoffs, and he
was never a franchise quarterback. No, but he's still made money.
You're gonna tell me the Q whatever, whatever. I give
up on the.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Kid, right, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The dude, I get it in college. Sex sells. Yeah right,
Oh my god. Look we've got Archie Banny. Well, let's
give this backup three million dollars.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Texas gets to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Texas gets to cheat in my concerns for the next
few years. By the way, I don't see why you're
not mad, Schaane, because Texas football is going to be
the definition of Texas, the state of Texas. They're not
going to think of your little techie techers.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I'm not mad because my team has been ruling the
transfer portal of this offseason. They're the ones who show
out the most money.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
And also just because like if I say.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You get the money from those explosive manhole covers.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
No, we have like this one oil baron who's super
rich named Cody Campbell, who's been kind of like the money.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
There's a school in Oklahoma that thought the same thing
to Oklahoma State. They thought that, you know, Boone Pickens
was going to give them everything they needed.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
They've they've been They've had a good program last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Really, I mean I would really Oklahoma State has How
do they do this year in the Big Twelve?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
They sucked?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Wow, they drove her, right, I said twenty years, So
I'm time I overall scope.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And they're going to keep the coach there. Anyways, we're
getting off track here. I don't like this whole valuation
of a college football player for money.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Sure, okay, you don't have to like it. But this
is the future. And here's here's the rant.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I don't like this future.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Yeah, And here's the want to go back to the.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Exactly yeah, but here's the rate everyone the other Yeah,
here's the rant that's not ready for it. This is
the future football. The issue is is that no one
is caring about the players themselves. Right, it's easy for
us to sit and look at the players. Oh, you
don't deserve four a million dollars. This is college football.
You you're part of a billion dollar industry. You should
be happy to be a part of a billion dollar industry. Right,
(07:42):
You're gonna make your money in the NFL. Truth be told,
one percent of them make it.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
To the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right, that's okay, that's okay to have. That's what happens.
You're told that as an athlete when you're in junior high. Okay,
you're getting the smaller and smaller and smaller.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Yes, it gets smaller.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But things have changed, right, economics has not changed on
how much I can get in the FL.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
The economics of Ncuba has, Yes, the economics of NTO
Douba has it has it has to write the video
games that the players can get paid for it.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
They're in it, that's great. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, but they get paid six hundred dollars. They got
to get paid for it, right, Yeah, that's that's a
flat fee. College college sports is a lot more market
I know you don't hear this doing. It's a lot
more market based.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
It is, it is, right, So the bigger the institution, Right,
it goes hand in hand. These players will bring how
many dollars to these institutions your year.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Right.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
So I'm saying, even though we're from different generations, you
being born in the eighties, should be mad that your
guys in the nineties weren't getting paid what they were worth.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
They should be mad.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Instead of saying, oh, we didn't complain about it, you
should be bad about it because you were bringing millions
billions of dollars into a school that poured nothing back.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Into these kids.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah, they get paid, they poured nothing.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
They didn't care if they graduated. No, let's no, let's
let's talk about it. I didn't care if they graduated.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Do those players back in the eighties and nineties do
they care that they graduated. No, they're trying to get
to the professional league. That's why they had rules in
place for three years in college sports, you had to
play who is the kid from Ohio State marg Yeah,
he tried to come out in the NFL and the
n c double A was like, no, you gotta put.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
You know why he got in trouble though, because because
he needs he needed a ride he got he had
to get money to get a ride to.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Get back to school.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Charty, this hour shows you so that I don't love
about the Mars Corret situation.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Let's let's not get into that, right, Let's look these
No one cared about the kids as individuals, right, that's
the issue here, and I yeld.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
There need to program names of the back of their jerseys.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, but yeah they were at that time they were.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Right, I'm saying there's some programs that still don't still.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Don't there to your point, to my point, but I'm saying,
these kids have been bringing in millions of the university.
People like us who are not playing at that level
go to that school because of guys like that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What about the coaches? Have the coaches brought anything into the.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
I'm getting to the coaches, don't worry this is this
is a major part of the question, because where's your
outreach for those guys?
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Right there?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
They're so you know, you're you're defending Josh, They're still upstanding.
Let's go back to the NBA tournament. We're just there.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Have you looked at Houston's contract?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Kelvin Sampson lost the finals again, right, his son is
a short wart to take the job.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
What is his son earned? Huh?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
He gets if he retires, his son gets a two
million dollar increase, And I'm Michael gets the job.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
What has his son done to earn that?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
His name?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Right?
Speaker 7 (10:14):
And then Calvin Sampson retires, he's a short at three
hundred k?
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Job? Are better in the front office?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Hold on, now, I get it. Here's my thing, though.
You want Samson there? If you're the University of Houston,
you've been to the final four, You've gone there seven
eight times? Now yeah, right, you're trying to win. You're
trying to keep consistency with that coach there. Yeah, okay,
so keep the family there. He's sixty nine.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Years old, So you agree with spending money to keep consistency, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
So if someone costs this much and you got the money.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You're gonna pay for it if I have the money.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
So it's a problem for Niko, but not for Calvin Sampson.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm gonna pay for.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The coach because guess what, that's his profession, that's what.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
He went to school for. Profession.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
No, it's not nice, Yes, it is not right now.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
No, it is you know you know.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
You because we talked about these guys don't come here
to play school. We don't care if they're getting educational line.
We're not putting parameters in place. They ensure that their
deals are actually helping them.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Right, we're not sure. We're not sure, and they're paying
their taxes. We're not doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Let's let's be well, that's why they go to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And when they go to the combine and we start
learning people like Vince Young, You're like, oh god, I
feel like he doesn't know anything.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I feel like we'd be remissed if since we're talking
college ball and we're up against the break and we're
going to talk about draft, if we didn't mention Kyraen Lacy,
the other Shoe wide receiver. He last night was reported
that he he had lost his life and there's reports
it's it's not confirmed yet, right, no one's.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Confirmed the reports yet. No, no one's confirmed that that. Yeah,
like about the what happened there, But that's that's what.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm gonna talk before the great draft.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What I'm gonna tell you before I go to the
break Because you're saying Generation X, that's me, yeah, Generation X.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Absolutely, Yeah, let's go where were you born nineteen eighty.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
That's me. That's a millennial.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
No, it's not are born to eighty. Yeah, I've done
this before. Millennials are born from nineteen eighty to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm saying those players, right, My players were what Chris Webber,
Jalen Rose, Vince Carter, all these guys that went to college.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
You think, Chris weberdon.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Get you on, Dan, I let you go, right, I
let you go. I don't if they got paid on
the table. They got paid on the table, fab five
if whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But you talk about how I don't care, like they
didn't have a career or they didn't go. I would
get angry. And this is generation X. Okay, I would
get angry when I would see a player leave early.
What are you doing? What risk are you taking? You're
at the University of Michigan. You can get yourself a
damn find degree and at least have that in your backbone.
(12:35):
I for several years with Vince Carter in North Carolina.
It made me so mad that he left so early.
But what made me so happy is that he decided
to go back and get his degree.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Yeah, that options always there.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Go to college to get a degree because I can
tell you you are one step, one yard line from
your ACL being destroyed.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
What are you going to do now?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
That's why you get your money now, and.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You're gonna tell me that care of them, that's why
you get your happens, that's why you get your No.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
No, the colleges don't because before they're just cut, there
are contracts for them for education.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Look, I know this because my daughter's being recruited. What's
going on?
Speaker 7 (13:13):
But that kid Tait the a cl even though he's
on that team, those coaches aren't checking up on him.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
And guess what he's been. He's been skating by his
whole life.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I wouldn't care if the coaches aren't caring.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
If God forbid, my daughter got injured at a university
and she could finish her education, I don't care what
the coaches thinks as long as that university has my
daughter's back so she can get her education.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And it's so much different for females than it is males.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
It is I agree, but I want you to look
up L.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
S U.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
LSU had a safety that recently got a brain tumor,
and look at his father's rant towards L.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
S U do you know?
Speaker 6 (13:46):
And then and then tell me that the schools care
about the about the kids. Tell me they don't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
There's a lot of fixing.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
If anything, they need to put more money towards the
women than they do the men.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That could be a next week topic. Yeah, yeah, because women.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, women unfortunately have to stop right. Just remember this,
my daughter who's really really good, she's really good at soccer,
and my other one's really good at volleyball. They're not
going professional. They're not okay, okay, now they can go
into colleges. That's where I want them to go. But
(14:22):
when women already know that when they're thirteen, not crazy.
It's twenty twenty five and they still have no shot
at professional. When I was thirteen, you know what I
was going to do, Ty and Shane, I was going
to play in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Just can't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
When you're a girl, we don't shoot those dreams out anymore.
Think about that coming up. I want to get into
the NFL. I want to get into why now Sanders
is going to be a saint? That's all next on
the Fanatics on Ticket seven sixty
We were talking between the break.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
So for those of you who don't know, we actually
talked during the break or during breaks, right, I don't
know who you all are elseid of work? Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know who you guys are, but
true to you kind of. I know that you used to,
you know, dance for the Mavericks. You said, also the Iguanas,
which yes, I have not heard.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Yeah, well, e dude, I'm just showing my age too,
because he doesn't know what the heck.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
We're you talking about it?
Speaker 6 (00:28):
Look at up.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
San Antonio is also from Cleveland. Best logo. He doesn't
even know what a rodeo is?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
What you never you've never had your first rodeo? Oh,
my goodness?
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Next year?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, next year.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So I was asking you because obviously you guys get
paid right for the games, and you said that you
never had to deal with anybody that.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Had problems or issues that wanted more money. Nocuse, what
was the rule? It's there's rules.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
You go, you abide by the rules. You showed for practice,
you showed for the appearances.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You get paid a little bit more for the appearances,
a little bit more for the game. That's it. Nobody
asked for any more. Yes, we had captains, Yes we
had choreographers. Did they ask to get paid differently? No?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
You know why because we were a team.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Ah, we're a team.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So you had rules though, but like in the organization,
so if you made the playoffs, was there.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Any No, no extra, no more, the same pay because
we did it for the love and the passion of dancing.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And like I say, on this Sports Senate floor, ty,
I yield the floor to you because that king that
seems to make sense. That makes sense, right, it makes
sense right, Yeah, rules, show up to practice.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Do all this for me and then you can do this.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
And Trudia, I got asked, was there ever a pay
increase in your time with the Mavericks like did from
one year to another year?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Did?
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Was there a pay increase? No, sir, No, So same pay,
every same pay. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
It was fine?
Speaker 6 (01:50):
It was fine.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
It was fine with me.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Wits with you? Is your team's a hole? Was it
fine with everyone?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, as long as we were getting paid, everybody seemed
to be fine with it. Nobody ever had the knock
on the door. Hey, miss Cuban, can we have a
sit down, talk and negotiate my my contract here.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
No, you made the team.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
This is the pay done sign here.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Did they come to you at the end of each season, Yes,
and say, hey, we're gonna go We're gonna do it again, and.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
This is the PA.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
It stays the same.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
How many years of that pay?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Three?
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Three?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
No change? Was there any sort of like outrage though
for you to get paid more?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Never?
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Not in not not in my era.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But that's the difference though, because in college for decades,
my era, for college for decades that they had said
that they wanted players to get paid.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
That's the difference.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Like that they be.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Vocal about it. You are fine getting paid all your word,
that's fine, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well you better start paying the cheerleaders, the dance staff,
and the band members who are also doing the same
work as these college athletes. What about the one or
ones challenge? Yeah, they're the ones challenge. They're they're they're traveling,
they're putting down the books. They're doing the same thing.
So you better pay it. Not just these football players,
and I get it, some programs are gonna do different.
Oh you have the floor to you, sir.
Speaker 7 (02:51):
All right, my first question, no disrespect to this, I
would like to see how much revenue a dance team
actually brings in to an organization year over year. Is
that is that an even budget line? Are they had loss?
Just like that alone? You know, I'm saying if you
remove the players and everything else, like you're looking at
budget line? Same thingple Okay, Like when we had that
conversation with WNBA, right, like what what is that?
Speaker 6 (03:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Time out here, because here's the problem, right, the Spurs
used to have the Silver Dancers.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, no more, no more? Got rid of them?
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Why stupid?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Why'd they get rid of them?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I don't, I don't know, Like I'm they wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
More of a hype team, They wanted more diversity as
far as cheerleading.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
You didn't want to bring the women out onto the floor.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Now, when I was growing up and I was in
the twenties and I was you know, I did a
lot of stories over at Ken's with the Silver Dancers.
In fact, I know a couple of them still, And
I'm like why as a fan, yes, as a fan,
why yes? Okay, but everybody would turn there, Oh you
just want to say, no, it's not that it's just
(03:51):
that's so, I get it, they're not going to bring
a lot of revenue, but go on, yeah, so because
you can't really compare a dance squad to a team,
that's kind of I know where you're going, keep going,
but you just did.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I'm not comparing him. I'm not I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
That you can't. You can't.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
You have to give it to everybody.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
I'm not saying everyone.
Speaker 7 (04:13):
But going back in the conversation as to Nico, like
we're talking about Nico, Nico is an outlier there. There
are not many Nicos in this nil conversation, and we
tend to grasp on to the Nico like players. And
I don't think Nico made a bad decision on a business.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Level or merles level. In my opinion, he gave the team.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
He gave the team time to figure out the QB
situation if they weren't going to pay him when he
felt like he was worthing.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
They didn't know that he was going to enter the
portal or not. It was up in the air every team.
If he had entered the portal the way you're supposed
to that that gave them time to figure that out.
That was last Is there another portal, Shane, is there
another portal? They have time to recover. That's my point.
He didn't do this in September, a week before season.
He did this with with time to recover.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
So morally he still did right by Tennessee, Tessis has
time to go put their money up. If they're two million, fine,
go find you two million dollar quarterback elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
How long has it been sid season worken over? How
long has been since the collegel bussing in January?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
January?
Speaker 5 (05:09):
How many players have been in the portal since then?
Speaker 6 (05:11):
A lot, probably all of them?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And they gave their team more than I've noticed. Because
that's the proper way to do it. That's an adult
way to do it.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I agree with you right after. I agree with Tie.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
From a business standpoint, it does not make sense for
a player who to play below what their.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
Market value is market but as a man, as an.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Adult, you guys are sitting here giving market values for
college players.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well that's where we are now there.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Let me see how he does in the NFL. Okay,
he's a freshman going to do in the NFL. He's
going to be a days he's never going to taste
five billion dollars a year in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
That's not true. But backups get paid pretty well. Actually,
yeah they do. Coble Rush got paid six and a
half million.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How well is a Texas quarterback in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Bet Colt McCoy played for fifteen years as now back up.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, and he made a lot of money and you
never started and never got into the playoffs, and he
was never a franchise quarterback. No, but he's still made money.
You're gonna tell me the Q whatever, whatever. I give
up on the.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Kid, right, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
The dude, I get it in college. Sex sells. Yeah right,
Oh my god. Look we've got Archie Banny. Well, let's
give this backup three million dollars.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Texas gets to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Texas gets to cheat in my concerns for the next
few years. By the way, I don't see why you're
not mad, Schaane, because Texas football is going to be
the definition of Texas, the state of Texas. They're not
going to think of your little techie techers.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I'm not mad because my team has been ruling the
transfer portal of this offseason. They're the ones who show
out the most money.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
And also just because like if I say.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You get the money from those explosive manhole covers.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
No, we have like this one oil baron who's super
rich named Cody Campbell, who's been kind of like the money.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
There's a school in Oklahoma that thought the same thing
to Oklahoma State. They thought that, you know, Boone Pickens
was going to give them everything they needed.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
They've they've been They've had a good program last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Really, I mean I would really Oklahoma State has How
do they do this year in the Big Twelve?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
They sucked?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Wow, they drove her, right, I said twenty years, So
I'm time I overall scope.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And they're going to keep the coach there. Anyways, we're
getting off track here. I don't like this whole valuation
of a college football player for money.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Sure, okay, you don't have to like it. But this
is the future. And here's here's the rant.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I don't like this future.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Yeah, And here's the want to go back to the.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Exactly yeah, but here's the rate everyone the other Yeah,
here's the rant that's not ready for it. This is
the future football. The issue is is that no one
is caring about the players themselves. Right, it's easy for
us to sit and look at the players. Oh, you
don't deserve four a million dollars. This is college football.
You you're part of a billion dollar industry. You should
be happy to be a part of a billion dollar industry. Right,
(07:42):
You're gonna make your money in the NFL. Truth be told,
one percent of them make it.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
To the NFL.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right, that's okay, that's okay to have. That's what happens.
You're told that as an athlete when you're in junior high. Okay,
you're getting the smaller and smaller and smaller.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
Yes, it gets smaller.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
But things have changed, right, economics has not changed on
how much I can get in the FL.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
The economics of Ncuba has, Yes, the economics of NTO
Douba has it has it has to write the video
games that the players can get paid for it.
Speaker 6 (08:06):
They're in it, that's great. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, but they get paid six hundred dollars. They got
to get paid for it, right, Yeah, that's that's a
flat fee. College college sports is a lot more market
I know you don't hear this doing. It's a lot
more market based.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
It is, it is, right, So the bigger the institution, Right,
it goes hand in hand. These players will bring how
many dollars to these institutions your year.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Right.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
So I'm saying, even though we're from different generations, you
being born in the eighties, should be mad that your
guys in the nineties weren't getting paid what they were worth.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
They should be mad.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
Instead of saying, oh, we didn't complain about it, you
should be bad about it because you were bringing millions
billions of dollars into a school that poured nothing back.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Into these kids.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah, they get paid, they poured nothing.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
They didn't care if they graduated. No, let's no, let's
let's talk about it. I didn't care if they graduated.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Do those players back in the eighties and nineties do
they care that they graduated. No, they're trying to get
to the professional league. That's why they had rules in
place for three years in college sports, you had to
play who is the kid from Ohio State marg Yeah,
he tried to come out in the NFL and the
n c double A was like, no, you gotta put.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
You know why he got in trouble though, because because
he needs he needed a ride he got he had
to get money to get a ride to.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Get back to school.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Charty, this hour shows you so that I don't love
about the Mars Corret situation.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Let's let's not get into that, right, Let's look these
No one cared about the kids as individuals, right, that's
the issue here, and I yeld.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
There need to program names of the back of their jerseys.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
Yeah, but yeah they were at that time they were.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Right, I'm saying there's some programs that still don't still.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
Don't there to your point, to my point, but I'm saying,
these kids have been bringing in millions of the university.
People like us who are not playing at that level
go to that school because of guys like that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
What about the coaches? Have the coaches brought anything into the.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
I'm getting to the coaches, don't worry this is this
is a major part of the question, because where's your
outreach for those guys?
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Right there?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
They're so you know, you're you're defending Josh, They're still upstanding.
Let's go back to the NBA tournament. We're just there.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
Have you looked at Houston's contract?
Speaker 7 (09:58):
Kelvin Sampson lost the finals again, right, his son is
a short wart to take the job.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
What is his son earned? Huh?
Speaker 7 (10:06):
He gets if he retires, his son gets a two
million dollar increase, And I'm Michael gets the job.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
What has his son done to earn that?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
His name?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Right?
Speaker 7 (10:14):
And then Calvin Sampson retires, he's a short at three
hundred k?
Speaker 6 (10:18):
Job? Are better in the front office?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Hold on, now, I get it. Here's my thing, though.
You want Samson there? If you're the University of Houston,
you've been to the final four, You've gone there seven
eight times? Now yeah, right, you're trying to win. You're
trying to keep consistency with that coach there. Yeah, okay,
so keep the family there. He's sixty nine.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Years old, So you agree with spending money to keep consistency, right, yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
So if someone costs this much and you got the money.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
You're gonna pay for it if I have the money.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
So it's a problem for Niko, but not for Calvin Sampson.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm gonna pay for.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The coach because guess what, that's his profession, that's what.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
He went to school for. Profession.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
No, it's not nice, Yes, it is not right now.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
No, it is you know you know.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
You because we talked about these guys don't come here
to play school. We don't care if they're getting educational line.
We're not putting parameters in place. They ensure that their
deals are actually helping them.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Right, we're not sure. We're not sure, and they're paying
their taxes. We're not doing any of that.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Let's let's be well, that's why they go to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And when they go to the combine and we start
learning people like Vince Young, You're like, oh god, I
feel like he doesn't know anything.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I feel like we'd be remissed if since we're talking
college ball and we're up against the break and we're
going to talk about draft, if we didn't mention Kyraen Lacy,
the other Shoe wide receiver. He last night was reported
that he he had lost his life and there's reports
it's it's not confirmed yet, right, no one's.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Confirmed the reports yet. No, no one's confirmed that that. Yeah,
like about the what happened there, But that's that's what.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I'm gonna talk before the great draft.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What I'm gonna tell you before I go to the
break Because you're saying Generation X, that's me, yeah, Generation X.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Absolutely, Yeah, let's go where were you born nineteen eighty.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
That's me. That's a millennial.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
No, it's not are born to eighty. Yeah, I've done
this before. Millennials are born from nineteen eighty to nineteen.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm saying those players, right, My players were what Chris Webber,
Jalen Rose, Vince Carter, all these guys that went to college.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
You think, Chris weberdon.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Get you on, Dan, I let you go, right, I
let you go. I don't if they got paid on
the table. They got paid on the table, fab five
if whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But you talk about how I don't care, like they
didn't have a career or they didn't go. I would
get angry. And this is generation X. Okay, I would
get angry when I would see a player leave early.
What are you doing? What risk are you taking? You're
at the University of Michigan. You can get yourself a
damn find degree and at least have that in your backbone.
(12:35):
I for several years with Vince Carter in North Carolina.
It made me so mad that he left so early.
But what made me so happy is that he decided
to go back and get his degree.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Yeah, that options always there.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Go to college to get a degree because I can
tell you you are one step, one yard line from
your ACL being destroyed.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
What are you going to do now?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
That's why you get your money now, and.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
You're gonna tell me that care of them, that's why
you get your happens, that's why you get your No.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
No, the colleges don't because before they're just cut, there
are contracts for them for education.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Look, I know this because my daughter's being recruited. What's
going on?
Speaker 7 (13:13):
But that kid Tait the a cl even though he's
on that team, those coaches aren't checking up on him.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
And guess what he's been. He's been skating by his
whole life.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I wouldn't care if the coaches aren't caring.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
If God forbid, my daughter got injured at a university
and she could finish her education, I don't care what
the coaches thinks as long as that university has my
daughter's back so she can get her education.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And it's so much different for females than it is males.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
It is I agree, but I want you to look
up L.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
S U.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
LSU had a safety that recently got a brain tumor,
and look at his father's rant towards L.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
S U do you know?
Speaker 6 (13:46):
And then and then tell me that the schools care
about the about the kids. Tell me they don't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
There's a lot of fixing.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
If anything, they need to put more money towards the
women than they do the men.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
That could be a next week topic. Yeah, yeah, because women.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, women unfortunately have to stop right. Just remember this,
my daughter who's really really good, she's really good at soccer,
and my other one's really good at volleyball. They're not
going professional. They're not okay, okay, now they can go
into colleges. That's where I want them to go. But
(14:22):
when women already know that when they're thirteen, not crazy.
It's twenty twenty five and they still have no shot
at professional. When I was thirteen, you know what I
was going to do, Ty and Shane, I was going
to play in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Just can't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
When you're a girl, we don't shoot those dreams out anymore.
Think about that coming up. I want to get into
the NFL. I want to get into why now Sanders
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