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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Me and Tyre taking over the remainder of the show,
and what we're going to get into next is the
Caleb Williams situation in Chicago. Now, going back to last
year AND's how you remember this, there were are reports
coming out that he didn't really want to go to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Actual they had secure in the numb one overall pick right,
and that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That was sort of like a precursor to what was
going to go on into the draft at that point,
because I remember his camp at that point actually denied
those reports. I remember they denied those reports as every
camp would, as every camp would, Yeah, but there was
obviously I remember there was a talking point at the
time that there's a reason why he doesn't want to
go to Chicago because for a long time it has
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been a depth trap for quarterbacks. If you look the
list of quarterbacks they've had over the years since Jim
McMahon won the Super Bowl in eighty five, the best
ones they've had were Jay Cutler, who was traded for
and your best drafted quarterback if you look at statistically,
and we did in the postseason was actually, oh, the
North Carolina kid what's his name, Trubisky? Trubisky he made
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the playoffs twice for you made a Pro Bowl. He
was your best drafted quarterback up to that point. I
know people are gonna say, what about Rex Grossman. Rex
Grossman was a guy who drove a ship that was
led by a good running game and a good defense.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I respect that, right, Yeah, you look at you disagree. No,
I don't disagree. I actually respect that. I forgot about
Rex Grossman of course told yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Exactly, so really since since him, Jay coul has been
your best quarterback. He was traded for and he was actually,
to his credit, he was solid for what they had.
They made the NFC Championship game that one year, and
then Caleb Panney obviously took over and then that obviously
led to the Packers going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But that's a different story. When I look at the
Klab Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Story about the report coming out now about how Chicago
and this is a direct quote from the report, Chicago
is the place quarterbacks go to die. And this is
from Kayleboys, his father. And I always hate when players
father's get involved in this. It reminds me of your
Browns and the OBJ drama. And I hate when when
the dads have to get involved. That's probably one reason
why I was a little hard on the Shadore thing
as well, because my fear was he was going to
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get involved. But also as a football guy, I know
Dion was gonna let his kids play. That's the difference
with OBJ and with Caleb Williams. These dads didn't do it.
He's more they're more LeVar Baal dads than they are
prime dads. Where there are dads obviously when their kids succeed,
but they're going to live through the kid in that way.
And all this does is bring up those feelings that
went into the one year of U with as the
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draft pick for the Chicago Bears. With Caleb Williams, we
are one year removed and he did not look good.
Granted the offensive line was not great. They went out
in there repaired it. They added more weapons with guys
like your guy called some leveland out of Michigan, and
they drafted Luther Burton out of Missouri. But now, but
it is a bad look obviously only one year into
the Caleb Williams quote unquote era, what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I mean, there are multiple takes on this topic. Truth
be told, I'm not as sold on Kleb Mobbs as
the average fan. I would be really honest with you,
I think Williams has been put into I think he
has all the skill sets and all the tools. I'm
gonna start there. His all the tools to be a
great quarterback. Right, And it's great. He's on a Tom
Brady diet. That's cute. That's cute.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, it's cute. That's fine. You can commit to.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
All these great meal plans, the idea of being great,
and you could throw a ball all you want in
shorts and make it look good. Now, what comes with
that is that when your top pick, you're gonna go
to a team that's not so good, a QB needy team, right,
which are typically going to be teams that or QBS
go to fail quote unquote. Now the report's saying that
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he was watching film by himself. That's alarming, right, No,
no rookies should be watching film on the coaching staff.
That's on the coaching staff, right. And I think that
clearly showed up in games, especially that Thanksgiving game where
you know, there were just some ultimate coaching errors that
led to unnecessary losses.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That that final drive where they did not call time
on the final drive and Calabadiams is looking around what
we do next?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That was on the coaches that has a coach and air.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We can complain all we want about how Kalo Wis
don't do enough to win the game.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That is fine. What was played on the field is
on him.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But the but the other stuff that goes beyond that,
that's how you differentiate between a quarterback mistake and a
coaching mistake. And for people that doesn't want to say
he's a quarterback, he should. He should know when to
call a time out when you were in a two
minute drive. It is on the coach's job as well
to also give you to also provide you the.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Players every time you're trying to do her up offense,
call that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Time out when you have timeouts to use, especially when
you have a chance to take down at that time
the number one team in the NFC, the Detroit Lions.
And he didn't do it that one.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Hundred percent, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
But you know, back to the point of Caleb Williams
and where I'm down on Cale Wims. Before this story
came out, I always thought he was a diva.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You never liked him, did you?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Last year?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I never liked him.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I always like his skill set, but I think he
had never played up to expectation in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But I remember last year year I talked about this.
You were way higher on Jade Daniels.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yes, I was, And I just think Jane Daniels did
more with less. Truth be told, I know LSU's low
key wide receiver. You but I think Jade Daniels' ability
to make plays happen, and I think that showed up
on the field. He took his team to a playoff.
My issue with Caleb Williams was he was at Oklahoma,
which is a quarterback factory, factory, you know. Yeah, he
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underperformed at Oklahoma. He had a guy knocking on, you know,
right on the door as far as like on his
heels for the starting position.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Now left, he knocked on a Spencer Ratler's door, rightfle
So he was always better than Spencer Ratley.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, but then he had he had he had guys
coming in behind him that were just as good on paper.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He was Lincoln's guy, and that's why you followed Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yes, and he followed Lincoln to USC and you know
he was supposed to bring back UC football.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Now, did he sell tickets?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Did he win games?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Not really? He won some. He won some, but not really.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But any game that matter, he was in the stands
crying with his mom, nails painted, crying with mom.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Man, many times do we see that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I'm in the minority in this. I don't care if
he cried. I liked it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
A player, that's fine, Yeah, I like passion, don't get
me wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But for a guy that's supposed to be a generational
in QB is supposed to be changing the game and
the way we see QB's he's supposed to being Patrick mahone, Yeah,
Patrick Mahomes Tom Brady. I have not seen that fight
or grit out of him, right, I've not seen it.
I think he has a skill set for it, which
is one thing. Guys have all skill set in the world,
going back to Johnny Football, has all skill set in
the world. But what are you gonna do with it?
He has not packaged it together to produce wins. And
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that's my frustration with him. And now does the Bear
situation help that?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
No? And you know what I think, with what the
Bears have done for him up to this point, this
really could be a make or break here for him,
and I understand it's only a time breaks, only a
second year. Yes, I understand that, but what they've done
from is crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
They added DJ Moore last year, they drafted Roma Dunes.
They drafted Luther Burton, who we both thought was gonna
be a first round pick receiver, so they have three
first round esque pick receivers their offensive line.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They rebuilt the ends here.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
They traded for Joe Toney, They signed Drew Domond, the
best center in free agency, and they traded for Jonna Jackson,
the guard. Then they went off to signed your guy,
Colson Lovelan. So now their tight ends are Colson Loveland
and Cole Commit. The running game is going to be
split between DeAndre Swift and Kylin on a guy and
broche On john that's whatever. And they bring in the
next supposed generational offensive mine and Ben Johnson as your
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head coach.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, they have set him up for success.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So you're right, it might not be a one year thing,
but it could be a two year thing right here
with Kay Williams, because you're right, he does have all
the talent in the world to succeed. He also has
all the pieces in place to get into the next.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Level, which is rare for rookie QB where teams really
buy in and go get the guys you want. You know,
at pick ten, they could have done something different than
Rome and Douze. But Caleb Williams really wonted Rome. He
abult a connection with Rome after trading for djmore, you know.
So it's like, it's not like he came in to
no one to throw the ball to. I mean, when
you look at the Brown situation with Shad Door Sanders,
he has Jerry Judy and I mean he has two
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tight ends beyond that, but he's not walking into the
same situation. I would argue that Caleb Williams walks into
a better situation than what any browns QB is walking
into right now.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
On that offense. No, I could see that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But my issue here with this story is not so
much of the tools given to Caleb Williams or what
Caleb Williams's ability is. It's greating kileb Williams on the
same scale that we were crucifying should or.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Why aren't we doing that? That's that's a very fair point. Well,
the thing about Shador is real quick. Shaudor had way
more celebrity behind him, even though Caleb Williams were the
first was a Heisman Trophy winner, right, just based on that,
and also Caleb Williams as he did have a spoiled
esque type of type of attitude. It felt like it
felt like he was someone who didn't really handle it.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Always felt entitled, right, But.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That's also but that was also my criticism of Shador.
He had like an entitlement attitude towards him. The difference
was is that I with Caleb Williams, I liked his talent,
but you always sort of saw sometimes his confidence kind
of waiver a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
With Shador, his confidence number waiver. But he just got
beat the hell up.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
He got beat up. But he also got better every
year he got beat up. I mean he was Jackson State,
get beat up. He had he had better options. He
was to Jackson State.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, but he played. He was he was better the
way they had Jackson State. He followed his dad's.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But he didn't have to. He didn't have to be honest.
He's not a guy that didn't have other options. He
could went to high school, you know, he followed his dad.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
He's fought his dad since he was a team.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He decided to help build his dad coaching legacy, right,
you know what I'm saying that was a mutual decision.
I think people need to stop looking at it as
him following his dad around rather than, oh, you know,
I am part of Sanders' brand. I'm helped building my
dad's legacy. Because if the Mannings had that option, they
would do the same thing. Right if if one of
the Mannings were coaching, don't you think arts would be there?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah? But you know if because Man coached him as
a kid, Yeah, if that, if.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
The Mannings were doing it, that would be building a legacy.
But since you know, we're talking about Dion, and Dion,
you know, was notoriously cocky, everyone thinks, oh, no, Chador
never deserved the spotlight.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
He's just sitting in his dad's shadows.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So he deserves the spotlight. You see that when people
say that, I don't, you don't. No one quote unquote
deserves a spotlight. You get the spotlight thrust upon you. Yeah,
and I think Shador has done a great job. He's
never been in legitimate trouble, he's never run his mouth
too much. Yes, has he has. He called on his teammates,
He has gotten in the face of sideline workers.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Okay, so like you can't deny him that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But but Caleb Williams back because I don't want to
don't want to try too far from the story. Yeah,
is Caleb Williams was he is. He's an emotional guy.
He's a guy who is very much confidence based. When
he was playing well last year, and there were times
he was playing well that they built off that momentum.
But he's also a guy that if confidence Waiver Weather
was from pressure too much, he would throw bad passes.
I always look back at that Texas game too much,
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when when there was a lot of pressure on the
side that Anderson was coming, because well Anderson was beating
the hell out of Braxon Jones, the left tackle, he
was blitzing them constantly, Caleb Williams rolled out to the
right side and he would make errant throws. One of
those picks he during that game was it just a
bad read, a bad throw. And that's unfortunate when you
get from Kleb Williams with that. Now, going back to
the thing about the coaches and the h and the
lack of film prep. That's on the coaches. You as
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a player should want to watch film to get better,
but you, as a coach have it at not only
as a desire, but as a responsibility to make sure
your rookie quarterback, rookie quarterback is set as much as
they possibly can.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I I just think now with these changes, there's no excuse.
I think this and a lot of excuses throwing around
was Caleb Williams and why he cannot succeed?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think now there's no excuse. You got him the
coach he wanted. Yeah, he's got a plethoro of receivers
that are young, that can go get the ball. You
got speed, you got strong hands, you got that stuff.
You got an offensive line. Now they've invested in Caleb Williams.
So now Caleb Williams has to put up just the
same way that USC invested in Caleb Williams. He didn't
bring them anything. I mean, his jersey's retired. We got
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on your door for his jersey being retire so fast.
What did Caleb Williams bring it to USC?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, he wont a heisman. That's the only caveat to
that he want. That's great for Caleb Williams. He won
a Heisman, but he didn't win a Big Ten championship.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I know he didn't. He didn't win a ball game. No,
he didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So what do he bring to us, c true fully
outside of a Heidsman and some TV crews.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, then that's the case that we need to hold
Kelb Williams is short of the same standard as of
like neither one.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
That's that's where I story. Yeah, that's my criticism of this.
Put them on the same standard because now if I'm
looking at that and we're talking about dads complaining that
I don't want my son to go here, well, only
one dad of those two has the credibility because Dion's
been there. He's been in this league. He's found success
in this league. He's also found success in MLB. Right, Yes,
he so well, everyone some but still it's made it.
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He's still made it, which is impressive feet in itself.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yes, So we're gonna talk about dad's complaining about their
son not wanting to play here or there, and you're
talking about the credibility to do so, only one dad
had the credibility to do that, and that's Sanders. But
we let that slide for Williams, and we crucified Sanders
time and time again to find out that CABLEB. Williams
was no better. He was no better. But it's fine.
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We let him be the number one pick. Still, he
didn't slide. He still made his money and he didn't
win in year one, which is fine, and we're just
creating more.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Excuses for him.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And I don't disagree with that at all. But let's
switch gears a little bit. Next seven. We'renna talk baseball.
You want to talk a little baseball, let's do it.
As we saw earlier this week, Pete Rose and others
were finally lifted from their lifetime ban. We'll talk about
that next all on the on taking seven to sixty.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
We are the fanatics
Me and Tyre taking over the remainder of the show,
and what we're going to get into next is the
Caleb Williams situation in Chicago. Now, going back to last
year AND's how you remember this, there were are reports
coming out that he didn't really want to go to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Actual they had secure in the numb one overall pick right,
and that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
That was sort of like a precursor to what was
going to go on into the draft at that point,
because I remember his camp at that point actually denied
those reports. I remember they denied those reports as every
camp would, as every camp would, Yeah, but there was
obviously I remember there was a talking point at the
time that there's a reason why he doesn't want to
go to Chicago because for a long time it has
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been a depth trap for quarterbacks. If you look the
list of quarterbacks they've had over the years since Jim
McMahon won the Super Bowl in eighty five, the best
ones they've had were Jay Cutler, who was traded for
and your best drafted quarterback if you look at statistically,
and we did in the postseason was actually, oh, the
North Carolina kid what's his name, Trubisky? Trubisky he made
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the playoffs twice for you made a Pro Bowl. He
was your best drafted quarterback up to that point. I
know people are gonna say, what about Rex Grossman. Rex
Grossman was a guy who drove a ship that was
led by a good running game and a good defense.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I respect that, right, Yeah, you look at you disagree. No,
I don't disagree. I actually respect that. I forgot about
Rex Grossman of course told yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Exactly, so really since since him, Jay coul has been
your best quarterback. He was traded for and he was actually,
to his credit, he was solid for what they had.
They made the NFC Championship game that one year, and
then Caleb Panney obviously took over and then that obviously
led to the Packers going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But that's a different story. When I look at the
Klab Williams.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Story about the report coming out now about how Chicago
and this is a direct quote from the report, Chicago
is the place quarterbacks go to die. And this is
from Kayleboys, his father. And I always hate when players
father's get involved in this. It reminds me of your
Browns and the OBJ drama. And I hate when when
the dads have to get involved. That's probably one reason
why I was a little hard on the Shadore thing
as well, because my fear was he was going to
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get involved. But also as a football guy, I know
Dion was gonna let his kids play. That's the difference
with OBJ and with Caleb Williams. These dads didn't do it.
He's more they're more LeVar Baal dads than they are
prime dads. Where there are dads obviously when their kids succeed,
but they're going to live through the kid in that way.
And all this does is bring up those feelings that
went into the one year of U with as the
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draft pick for the Chicago Bears. With Caleb Williams, we
are one year removed and he did not look good.
Granted the offensive line was not great. They went out
in there repaired it. They added more weapons with guys
like your guy called some leveland out of Michigan, and
they drafted Luther Burton out of Missouri. But now, but
it is a bad look obviously only one year into
the Caleb Williams quote unquote era, what's your take on it?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I mean, there are multiple takes on this topic. Truth
be told, I'm not as sold on Kleb Mobbs as
the average fan. I would be really honest with you,
I think Williams has been put into I think he
has all the skill sets and all the tools. I'm
gonna start there. His all the tools to be a
great quarterback. Right, And it's great. He's on a Tom
Brady diet. That's cute. That's cute.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, it's cute. That's fine. You can commit to.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
All these great meal plans, the idea of being great,
and you could throw a ball all you want in
shorts and make it look good. Now, what comes with
that is that when your top pick, you're gonna go
to a team that's not so good, a QB needy team, right,
which are typically going to be teams that or QBS
go to fail quote unquote. Now the report's saying that
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he was watching film by himself. That's alarming, right, No,
no rookies should be watching film on the coaching staff.
That's on the coaching staff, right. And I think that
clearly showed up in games, especially that Thanksgiving game where
you know, there were just some ultimate coaching errors that
led to unnecessary losses.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That that final drive where they did not call time
on the final drive and Calabadiams is looking around what
we do next?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
That was on the coaches that has a coach and air.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We can complain all we want about how Kalo Wis
don't do enough to win the game.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
That is fine. What was played on the field is
on him.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But the but the other stuff that goes beyond that,
that's how you differentiate between a quarterback mistake and a
coaching mistake. And for people that doesn't want to say
he's a quarterback, he should. He should know when to
call a time out when you were in a two
minute drive. It is on the coach's job as well
to also give you to also provide you the.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Players every time you're trying to do her up offense,
call that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Time out when you have timeouts to use, especially when
you have a chance to take down at that time
the number one team in the NFC, the Detroit Lions.
And he didn't do it that one.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Hundred percent, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
But you know, back to the point of Caleb Williams
and where I'm down on Cale Wims. Before this story
came out, I always thought he was a diva.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
You never liked him, did you?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Last year?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I never liked him.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I always like his skill set, but I think he
had never played up to expectation in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But I remember last year year I talked about this.
You were way higher on Jade Daniels.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yes, I was, And I just think Jane Daniels did
more with less. Truth be told, I know LSU's low
key wide receiver. You but I think Jade Daniels' ability
to make plays happen, and I think that showed up
on the field. He took his team to a playoff.
My issue with Caleb Williams was he was at Oklahoma,
which is a quarterback factory, factory, you know. Yeah, he
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underperformed at Oklahoma. He had a guy knocking on, you know,
right on the door as far as like on his
heels for the starting position.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Now left, he knocked on a Spencer Ratler's door, rightfle
So he was always better than Spencer Ratley.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, but then he had he had he had guys
coming in behind him that were just as good on paper.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
He was Lincoln's guy, and that's why you followed Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yes, and he followed Lincoln to USC and you know
he was supposed to bring back UC football.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Now, did he sell tickets?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Did he win games?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Not really? He won some. He won some, but not really.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But any game that matter, he was in the stands
crying with his mom, nails painted, crying with mom.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Man, many times do we see that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I'm in the minority in this. I don't care if
he cried. I liked it.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
A player, that's fine, Yeah, I like passion, don't get
me wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But for a guy that's supposed to be a generational
in QB is supposed to be changing the game and
the way we see QB's he's supposed to being Patrick mahone, Yeah,
Patrick Mahomes Tom Brady. I have not seen that fight
or grit out of him, right, I've not seen it.
I think he has a skill set for it, which
is one thing. Guys have all skill set in the world,
going back to Johnny Football, has all skill set in
the world. But what are you gonna do with it?
He has not packaged it together to produce wins. And
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that's my frustration with him. And now does the Bear
situation help that?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
No? And you know what I think, with what the
Bears have done for him up to this point, this
really could be a make or break here for him,
and I understand it's only a time breaks, only a
second year. Yes, I understand that, but what they've done
from is crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
They added DJ Moore last year, they drafted Roma Dunes.
They drafted Luther Burton, who we both thought was gonna
be a first round pick receiver, so they have three
first round esque pick receivers their offensive line.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They rebuilt the ends here.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
They traded for Joe Toney, They signed Drew Domond, the
best center in free agency, and they traded for Jonna Jackson,
the guard. Then they went off to signed your guy,
Colson Lovelan. So now their tight ends are Colson Loveland
and Cole Commit. The running game is going to be
split between DeAndre Swift and Kylin on a guy and
broche On john that's whatever. And they bring in the
next supposed generational offensive mine and Ben Johnson as your
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head coach.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, they have set him up for success.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
So you're right, it might not be a one year thing,
but it could be a two year thing right here
with Kay Williams, because you're right, he does have all
the talent in the world to succeed. He also has
all the pieces in place to get into the next.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Level, which is rare for rookie QB where teams really
buy in and go get the guys you want. You know,
at pick ten, they could have done something different than
Rome and Douze. But Caleb Williams really wonted Rome. He
abult a connection with Rome after trading for djmore, you know.
So it's like, it's not like he came in to
no one to throw the ball to. I mean, when
you look at the Brown situation with Shad Door Sanders,
he has Jerry Judy and I mean he has two
(07:35):
tight ends beyond that, but he's not walking into the
same situation. I would argue that Caleb Williams walks into
a better situation than what any browns QB is walking
into right now.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
On that offense. No, I could see that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
But my issue here with this story is not so
much of the tools given to Caleb Williams or what
Caleb Williams's ability is. It's greating kileb Williams on the
same scale that we were crucifying should or.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Why aren't we doing that? That's that's a very fair point. Well,
the thing about Shador is real quick. Shaudor had way
more celebrity behind him, even though Caleb Williams were the
first was a Heisman Trophy winner, right, just based on that,
and also Caleb Williams as he did have a spoiled
esque type of type of attitude. It felt like it
felt like he was someone who didn't really handle it.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Always felt entitled, right, But.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
That's also but that was also my criticism of Shador.
He had like an entitlement attitude towards him. The difference
was is that I with Caleb Williams, I liked his talent,
but you always sort of saw sometimes his confidence kind
of waiver a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
With Shador, his confidence number waiver. But he just got
beat the hell up.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
He got beat up. But he also got better every
year he got beat up. I mean he was Jackson State,
get beat up. He had he had better options. He
was to Jackson State.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, but he played. He was he was better the
way they had Jackson State. He followed his dad's.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But he didn't have to. He didn't have to be honest.
He's not a guy that didn't have other options. He
could went to high school, you know, he followed his dad.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
He's fought his dad since he was a team.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
He decided to help build his dad coaching legacy, right,
you know what I'm saying that was a mutual decision.
I think people need to stop looking at it as
him following his dad around rather than, oh, you know,
I am part of Sanders' brand. I'm helped building my
dad's legacy. Because if the Mannings had that option, they
would do the same thing. Right if if one of
the Mannings were coaching, don't you think arts would be there?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah? But you know if because Man coached him as
a kid, Yeah, if that, if.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
The Mannings were doing it, that would be building a legacy.
But since you know, we're talking about Dion, and Dion,
you know, was notoriously cocky, everyone thinks, oh, no, Chador
never deserved the spotlight.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
He's just sitting in his dad's shadows.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So he deserves the spotlight. You see that when people
say that, I don't, you don't. No one quote unquote
deserves a spotlight. You get the spotlight thrust upon you. Yeah,
and I think Shador has done a great job. He's
never been in legitimate trouble, he's never run his mouth
too much. Yes, has he has. He called on his teammates,
He has gotten in the face of sideline workers.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Okay, so like you can't deny him that.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But but Caleb Williams back because I don't want to
don't want to try too far from the story. Yeah,
is Caleb Williams was he is. He's an emotional guy.
He's a guy who is very much confidence based. When
he was playing well last year, and there were times
he was playing well that they built off that momentum.
But he's also a guy that if confidence Waiver Weather
was from pressure too much, he would throw bad passes.
I always look back at that Texas game too much,
(10:18):
when when there was a lot of pressure on the
side that Anderson was coming, because well Anderson was beating
the hell out of Braxon Jones, the left tackle, he
was blitzing them constantly, Caleb Williams rolled out to the
right side and he would make errant throws. One of
those picks he during that game was it just a
bad read, a bad throw. And that's unfortunate when you
get from Kleb Williams with that. Now, going back to
the thing about the coaches and the h and the
lack of film prep. That's on the coaches. You as
(10:41):
a player should want to watch film to get better,
but you, as a coach have it at not only
as a desire, but as a responsibility to make sure
your rookie quarterback, rookie quarterback is set as much as
they possibly can.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Right, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I I just think now with these changes, there's no excuse.
I think this and a lot of excuses throwing around
was Caleb Williams and why he cannot succeed?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I think now there's no excuse. You got him the
coach he wanted. Yeah, he's got a plethoro of receivers
that are young, that can go get the ball. You
got speed, you got strong hands, you got that stuff.
You got an offensive line. Now they've invested in Caleb Williams.
So now Caleb Williams has to put up just the
same way that USC invested in Caleb Williams. He didn't
bring them anything. I mean, his jersey's retired. We got
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on your door for his jersey being retire so fast.
What did Caleb Williams bring it to USC?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, he wont a heisman. That's the only caveat to
that he want. That's great for Caleb Williams. He won
a Heisman, but he didn't win a Big Ten championship.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I know he didn't. He didn't win a ball game. No,
he didn't.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So what do he bring to us, c true fully
outside of a Heidsman and some TV crews.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well, then that's the case that we need to hold
Kelb Williams is short of the same standard as of
like neither one.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
That's that's where I story. Yeah, that's my criticism of this.
Put them on the same standard because now if I'm
looking at that and we're talking about dads complaining that
I don't want my son to go here, well, only
one dad of those two has the credibility because Dion's
been there. He's been in this league. He's found success
in this league. He's also found success in MLB. Right, Yes,
he so well, everyone some but still it's made it.
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He's still made it, which is impressive feet in itself.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yes, So we're gonna talk about dad's complaining about their
son not wanting to play here or there, and you're
talking about the credibility to do so, only one dad
had the credibility to do that, and that's Sanders. But
we let that slide for Williams, and we crucified Sanders
time and time again to find out that CABLEB. Williams
was no better. He was no better. But it's fine.
(12:35):
We let him be the number one pick. Still, he
didn't slide. He still made his money and he didn't
win in year one, which is fine, and we're just
creating more.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Excuses for him.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
And I don't disagree with that at all. But let's
switch gears a little bit. Next seven. We'renna talk baseball.
You want to talk a little baseball, let's do it.
As we saw earlier this week, Pete Rose and others
were finally lifted from their lifetime ban. We'll talk about
that next all on the on taking seven to sixty.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
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