The Fanatics 5-18-25: Should Mavs draft Flagg?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yeah, happy birthday to my mother. May eighteenth, nineteen forty seven.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Happy birthday in Mom.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
It's ironic because last Sunday, as you know, was Mother's Day.
It was also my wife's birthday. A Sunday before that
was my mama's birthday. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
See, you got your shout out into your wife. I
don't see that. I'm still continuing. That is a streak, folks.
That was an accident.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
No, but we'll celebrate her today. She was a big
sports fan, by the ways, big Dallas Cowboys fan. She
still hasn't given up. I've given up. I've given up,
and I'll have to tell you, guys the story off
air sometime about the time that she went to the
Dallas Cowboys Philadelphia Eagles game and there was some brownies
involved that they just thought were brownie.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, that's a good story. Job on brownies.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, speaking to Dallas, Cooper flag is going to Dallas.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I don't know if he's happy or not.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I take a lot from body language, which, by the way,
in the second hour, Ty has given us a task,
and I accept this task that we are all going
to put on our spurs GM hat and tell you
exactly what we would do with the draft that's coming
up June twenty fifth, so be prepared for that. At

(01:17):
the top of the second hour, as we become Dylan
Emery the Spurs GM, Ty Sujik the Spurs GM, and
Shane Carter the Spurs GM. So I will tell you this, boys,
I'm gonna tell you this right now. They're gonna hire
me after this. I love that task. I love being
given a task when you out of the booth, out
of the booth and into the front office.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I would fix the Browns a long time ago, so I.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Would have fixed the Saints yesterday. Oh we're not talking
that about football, but we'll have a little football talk.
But you know, for Dallas to get the number one pick,
I can joke with people.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I can say this is rigged. I can say all.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
This, this one is really to where it could really question.
It is because you trade away Luca February. First, you
get us plenty to talk about on our launch show,
which I couldn't believe it was just handed to us
like that. But then you get the number one pick,
and I don't know how many times the Charlotte Hornets

(02:12):
are gonna be number three or four in the in
the top four every time the seventy six ers get passed, which,
by the way, the seventy six ers I've already said,
we'll start listening to trade talks for the number three pick,
which is rather interesting to me because you know, I thought,
and Ty, I give credit to you for calling that
Brooklyn was gonna get something they didn't. I just had

(02:34):
a hunch to me that the Spurs were gonna land
in top four. I honestly felt that from the beginning.
But to see Dallas get the number one pick, I
don't know what they're gonna do with it. Like, obviously
we're gonna get Cooper and Nico can't mess that up, right,
someone like he can't.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Maybe he can't.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Does Dallas listen to anybody for the number one pick,
because the next day Dallas was like, hey, we're getting
Cooper Flack.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
No, they can't.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
They can't afford to with with what happened with them,
because remember fans were riding outside the stadium. Team the
fans were getting rid of their season tickets. There were
chants for fire Nero that they have to somehow somewhere
second coming, they have to somehow someway bridged. I guess
like repair that, repair the damage that's obviously been made
in these last three months and drafted Cooper flag if
nothing else, don't repair their relationship.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
But it's a nice little step in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
But journalism one O one here, boys, does Cooper flag
pool a Caleb Williams?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Have we heard?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
We also heard about Caleb Williams suscick right, how we
didn't want to be there, how we actually wanted to
be a Houston roughneck, how we were really going to
trade and be not want to be with the Bears.
And dad wanted to step in on this. Now, Caleb's
got a lot of making up to do, even though
he won't. But he basically called the Chicago Bears trash

(03:48):
and he didn't want to be there. Now, you could
have tricked me on draft night when he got drafted.
You know, he came out there guns of blazing, because
I think it was in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Wasn't it the draft or somewhere?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It was in an oar tribal of Detroit right of Detroit. Yeah,
so you have all that, But Cooper, I've heard things
and I you know, I believe everything on the internet.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Cooper wants to go back to school as you should.
You should believe everything on me.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But did y'all see his facial reactions type, did you
see that actual reaction when they showed him and they
showed that Dallas got the number one pick?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
What did you think of that reaction? I don't. I
didn't read much into it, truth be told.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
When you look at all the options, when you when
you're looking at one through fifteen, right yeah, if you're
looking at any of these teams right here, I'm not
overly excited. I mean the Spurs, I would be excited
about being paired with Wenby. I think Dallas is a
great destination for Cooper Flag given what they have Anthony Davis,

(04:47):
he has a chance to step up and be the start.
But if yeah, always hurt, but you have you have
Kyrie Irving, He's always always hurt, but you have help there.
Once it's ready, there's gonna be help there. So it's
not gonna be all on you. But if you step
up to the plate, you can be the guy, or
you can be a number two option and win Rookie
of the Year. And it looks pretty with the with

(05:07):
the room to improve. So I think that's a that's
a rare spot number one picks with his potential. Yet
you know, it's not like Lebron. Lebron didn't have help
in Cleveland. You know, Lebron, you're coming to be the savior.
There's so many guys that fail at that number one
pick because it's like, hey, you're supposed to be the savior.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Markel Foltz.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
When the Sixers were trying to get going, yeah, I mean,
or was it the magic? Excuse me, no, it was no,
it was the magic magic magic. Sorry, when Magic trying
to get going, he ended up being traded to Sixers.
It just didn't work. He was supposed to be the
guy and he ends up being a role guy. I
mean out of the.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I think Cooper's a role guy. Really that that is
my immediate gut react. I told you that at the
Final four two I said, I think he's a role guy,
and I don't think he's gonna be a number one guy. Now,
he's a talented player. Don't don't hit up my social
media and tell me that I'm so wrong in this
and that I think Cooper's a role guy. And I
think that honestly, Cooper would probably be excited to come

(06:06):
to San Antonio and be that role guy. I mean
he went on his social media is not too long
ago and say, you know he's tagging Wimby, He's doing
all this. I think Cooper's a role guy now in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
That's gonna fit. Okay, Kyrie Irving, who thinks.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
The world is flat, is gonna be the guy there.
Anthony Davis will be the number two, Cooper's gonna be
the number three, and eventually Nico will mess it up
and Cooper will go play somewhere like Boston. Did we
hear that Boston was actually talking to Cooper at the combine?
Why would Boston talk to Cooper? Well, I know it's
his home, like his home area or whatever. But to

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know that Boston is talking to the potential number one
pick is interesting to me. It's not are they wasting
their time or are they trying to figure out what
they're gonna do for the future. Because Boston, as we
all know, god eliminated from the New York Knicks. Boston
is about to fall off the pole. They're not going
to be where they're going to be. So they're talking

(07:06):
future now because of all the salary and all the
stuff that they have to move the Tatum injury and
the Tatum injury, and and what you're going to do?

Speaker 4 (07:14):
You see, this is where this draft gets really interesting.
And I tweeted about this earlier in the week as
a hand, where I said that game six, no, game five,
excuse me, was gonna be a very important one for
Jalen Brown's future with the Boston Celtics.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Absolutely, yep, Tatum goes.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Down, right, and we know that team has to be
broken up. They don't have the they don't have the money,
they can't keep paying the luxury caf Right Tatum, They've
area committed. Tatum's the star, right, yes, So why not
break it up this all season? If safe they bought
the won want to run this year? Right, you try
to extend it one more year, Try to get one
more year out of that, right that that went out
the window with Tatum's injury. So now you're looking at all, right,

(07:52):
how much do we really love Jaylen Brown? We know
Jaylen Brown's a solid player in this league? Is he
a fringe star?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is he a star?

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Like we have not quite classified we're Jalen Brown ranks
as far as stardom goes.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
With Jaylen Brown, he kind of reminds me in this
in the Celtics situation, kind of like where James Harden
was with the Thunder. He was he was a big name,
but he was never the main focal point guy despite
all the all the good he did for the team.
If you're asking me if he could go somewhere and
be the number one options somewhere, that depends on obviously
where he would go to. But if you're asking me, like,

(08:25):
what the what the Celtics break up this year just
to get Cooper Flagg they would have to throw in
jailm Obviously, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
I don't think they're getting clear Cooper flag right, they're
not looking at this year. But if you're looking at
pick three and four, right, pick three and pick four,
and you're starting to break up that team to you know,
clear out the books and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Usually gullible as Dallas.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
You know what I'm saying, Do you ship out you
know Jaylen Brown? I mean I'm looking at Charlotte. Do
you ship Jaylen Brown to Charlotte?

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah? Tell him be the start, because I've heard rumblings that.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
He's got a championship, and I mean, at this point
the number one Yeah, he's going out west.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah. His brother hnded it that in a podcast as well.
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
So I've heard rumblings that what I'm saying so distract
can get really interested with that movement due to that
Spurs dynasty breaking up. Yeah right, And I was looking
at it, and I was watching that game. I was like, Wow,
Derek Brown is really more important to the Spurs than
Jalen Brown. Yeah, well, that's says the wrong last name,
Derek White. Excuse me, the colors the colors of the

(09:23):
last names had me all mixed up, man.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Derek.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
White is more important to the Spurs than than Jaylen
Brown than Darrick Brown.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
See, don't get that in my head. It's there, Yeah
it is, but you know.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's but you you watch that game, It's like that
Michael Jackson song black or White.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, Brown or White. But but do
you guys see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
I think what Derek White has developed into is more
pivotal to the way the I'm gonna say Spurs now
Celtics play basketball than what Jaylen Brown offers. Even though
his bag and his skill set it's pretty phenomenal. What
he provides to that team. He can't carry him if
Tatum goes down.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
He just proved that. Yeah, he got him for one game.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
The adrenaline got them Game five for Boston, the adrenaline
got him game five, Game six.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
You know it was over, but you're watching it, watching
you know, you're watching that game. You're like, all right,
do you have to watch three quarters of the season
of just Jaylen Brown leading this team? Why am I
going to pay the luxury text for that? Let's let's
break it up.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean, the Eastern Conference is not what we thought. Obviously,
the Calves gone, Celtic's gone. I think both the Calves
and the Celtics were looking ahead to the Eastern Conference Finals,
and definitely Indiana and New York said, hey, why don't
we bring back the mid nineties that you know, here's
the thing, man, the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm actually wanting

(10:45):
to watch this because it's gonna take me back to
the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I'm I'm ready for this, and I'm gonna call it
right now.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
If the New York Knicks have a lead in Madison
Square Garden and Halliburton is able to hit a game
winning three, he's gonna look at Spike Lee and give
him the Reggie Miller choke symbol. And I'm I'm ready
for that, just like I'm ready for Michael Jordan to
be a contributor for some sport.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Someone that is going to do that. I think that
you don't have to. I think that this rivalry is rebirthed.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Last time I saw the Eastern Conference Finals with him,
I think it was like ninety two. I think Indiana
went to the NBA Finals in two thousand and the
Knicks went in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Now they both lost.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
You know, the Pacers eventually lost to the Lakers, and
of course, as we all know, the Spurs got their championship,
their first championship against the New York Knicks in Madison Square.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Garden didn't the.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Next play the Sixers in the two thousand series to
play the play the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Well, at the beginning of the Lakers, No, that was Indiana,
was it?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, you're right, because so it's going to be an
exciting Eastern Conference Finals, even though it's kind of been soft.
I also want to jump into Game seven today Denver Thunder,
and here's the key factor. And I didn't think that
I would say this, and I don't think anybody across
the sports radio would say this. Aaron Gordon was a

(12:09):
factor for Denver and it's going to be extremely difficult
for Denver to go into Oklahoma City and try to
get this win today without him.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Prove me wrong, fellas, I can't.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think that Eric Gordon might have been the most
important player this postseason for the next shocking to me, yeah,
but because of the reality is me and Tyre time
about this off air. Aaron Gordon for almost a decade
was the face of the Magic and was never a star,
but he was a loyal player. He went to the
Nuggets and said, Okay, I'll relinquish my duties and become
the third or fourth option and he's been a better
player because of it. Now in this playoff series, for

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the start, he has become not like a clutch three
points year. He's been a really good top and bottom defender.
He's been especially on the Knights where yok was author's
Jokic has had games, he has not looked himself. Gordon
has been the most consistent player throughout the playoffs for
the Nuggets and that's a huge loss.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
And I think it might be the end of the season. Yeah,
he's been their energy guy. We know, the Thunder like
to get out and run.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
They're a team that has great team chemistry and it
clearly shows on the court.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
And the only time the Nuggets were able to break
up those runs and and you know, claw their way
back into games or take leads steel leads that center
around Aaron Gordon. So the game will be difficult if
it starts to slide the Thunder's way.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
And here's my thing with the Thunder. They're young. Okay,
it's a very young team. It's game seven.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yes you're at home, but you got to realize the
joker is on the other side of the court. Okay,
this dude could throw up bombs and he could go off,
and he could have a triple double.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Today, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And SGA has not been the SGA that we saw
in the regular season. In fact, you know, I think
all of us could see here on the regular season
that Oklahoma City was just going to roll right into
the finals.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
But Denver is a team that has been there, a
team that has I want a championship recently, and they
know what it takes and they still have those same players. God,
I love teenage shotters. They want to ask me in
the middle of the show if they're gonna shopping today.
But it's gonna be a close game. I do feel

(14:17):
that Okac can pull this off. But I'm excited to
watch this game this afternoon. I'm glad it's an afternoon game,
to tell you the truth, because I'm old and I
do want to take a nap a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
But I'm excited for it. Do you have the thunder?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I do.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I think it's over ty, I actually have Denver. You
have Denver because you are so gung ho about Jokisch. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
I mean, the only thing that makes me doubt Denver
right now has nothing to do with the team, As
I said, everything to do with horses. You know, a
horse named Journalism just won Preakness yesterday, and I know,
I know you could just look at that.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
My horse could do better, you know, he yeah, my
horse could do bther Yeah, my horse could do better.
So I want to go horse racing you Yeah, so
he might be ready to go horse race because he.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Just all doesn't he do the horse racing with the
carriages on the back? Doesn't he do that?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Horse racing. I don't know what kind of horse.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Carriage racing, isn't it or something like that. Don't ask me,
I don't know. Maybe we should have a commercial break
and do some research. Yeah, why don't we do that?
But it's coming up. On the other side, I want
to get into the w NBA. Ladies and gentlemen. We
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